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Speaker 1: Breakingpoints dot com. Good morning, everybody, Happy Thursday. We have

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Speaker 1: an amazing show for everybody today. What do we have pristolla?

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Speaker 1: Indeed we do first and foremost, Saga is back. Nice

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Speaker 1: a lot to get into this morning. First of all,

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Speaker 1: tomorrow is the one year anniversary of Russia's invasion of Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: to just take a look back at, you know, where

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Speaker 1: And it hasn't always been easy, been wrong a lot,

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Speaker 1: So how Istanbul and Erdowan specifically navigate future NATO expansion

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Speaker 1: that's still not a guarantee with Finland and with Sweden

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Speaker 1: from what I've read so far, but also what the

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Speaker 1: future looks like in terms of a NATO participatory who

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Speaker 1: might be able to speak, you know, with both sides

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Speaker 1: of the conflict and bring things to an end. You

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Speaker 1: can see some inclination of what that all would look like.

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Speaker 1: I think what is really clear when you look at

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Speaker 1: all of these polls, and they have a lot of

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Speaker 1: interesting breakdowns here, is that the West, and especially the

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Speaker 1: US and the UK have one view of this conflict

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Speaker 1: and one view of Russia, and the rest of the

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Speaker 1: world has a very different view. And if you'll recall Soger,

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Speaker 1: when Lula was here from Bill and there was a

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Speaker 1: lot of shock over his comments about the war and

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Speaker 1: about his desire to remain neutral so that he could

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Speaker 1: potentially serve in some sort of a diplomatic war role

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Speaker 1: to ultimately broker a piece. There was a lot of

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Speaker 1: shock about those comments, but in reality, he's reflecting what

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Speaker 1: most of the rest of the world thinks about this conflict.

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Speaker 1: And the one that stood out to me the most

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Speaker 1: is they ask this question, Okay, what do you think

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Speaker 1: is the main reason the US stands behind Ukraine? And

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Speaker 1: the only people who are really buying the like it's

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Speaker 1: about democracy is the US. The other even the other

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Speaker 1: European countries, they see it more as either to defend

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Speaker 1: Western dominance or to defend our own security. So they

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Speaker 1: don't see it as much of this big conflict over

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Speaker 1: democratic values. They see it as more of a classic

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Speaker 1: geopolitical strategic interest kind of a conflict. And certainly, you know, China, Russia, Turkey,

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Speaker 1: and India see it more that way as well. Russia

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Speaker 1: and China say this is we're involved with Ukraine to

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Speaker 1: defend Western dominance, and Turkey says predominantly to defend our

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Speaker 1: own security. So the rest of the world is not

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Speaker 1: viewing this as this grand conflict over values in the

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Speaker 1: gloss that we put on it. They're seeing it in

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Speaker 1: a much more sort of realism or realist way perspective,

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Speaker 1: which I think is interesting as well. Absolutely, So that's

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Speaker 1: where it is in terms of Ukraine right now. It

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Speaker 1: gave you the first top kind of a summary of

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Speaker 1: where things might be headed, and second with global public

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Speaker 1: opinion and where things are. And just keep in mind,

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Speaker 1: you know, the longer this thing goes on, the trend

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Speaker 1: is only going in one direction and the ain going

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Speaker 1: the other way. Even if Russian attacks have actually increased,

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Speaker 1: as possible a new renewed Russian offensive could change things,

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Speaker 1: but I don't see how that would ever change the

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Speaker 1: shock of the initial bombing of Kiev and much of

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Speaker 1: the brutality that we saw in those early days. Now

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Speaker 1: is really just you know, battle of attrition and then

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Speaker 1: the air war in terms of bombings and all that

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Speaker 1: that been going on so absent that it's very likely

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Speaker 1: that this all will move in a similar direction going.

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Speaker 1: I mean, sadly, that's probably the best case scenario, because

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Speaker 1: certainly Russia has other tools and other weapons that they

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Speaker 1: could deploy, not just in Ukraine but around the world.

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Speaker 1: So a grinding, horrifying war of attrition that involves much

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Speaker 1: more economic destruction and many more deaths, including civilian deaths,

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Speaker 1: is probably in the short term like the best case scenario,

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Speaker 1: which is absolutely horrifying. Okay, big domestic news this broke

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Speaker 1: just yesterday that grand jury in Georgia in that Trump

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Speaker 1: inquiry about the fake elector schemes specifically in that state,

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Speaker 1: they recommended multiple indictments. This is according to the Fore Women.

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Speaker 1: Fore Women has had a lot to say. Let me

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Speaker 1: read a little bit of details from the article. They say,

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Speaker 1: a special grand jury that investigated election interference by former

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Speaker 1: President Trump and his allies in Georgia recommended indictments for

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Speaker 1: multiple people on a range of charges in their final report,

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Speaker 1: most of which remains sealed. Special grand juries. This is

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Speaker 1: important to note in Georgia do not have indictment powers themselves.

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Speaker 1: Fanny t Willis, who's the District Attorney of Fulton County, Georgia.

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Speaker 1: She's led the investigation and she will ultimately decide what

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Speaker 1: charges to bring before a regular grand jury. So this

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Speaker 1: group can recommend and then Fanny t Willis will make

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Speaker 1: the decision what to then take to a regular grand jury.

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Speaker 1: So that's important to note. Now, let's talk about this

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Speaker 1: jury for a woman, because she made a number of

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Speaker 1: cryptic comments and then made a number of strange cable

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Speaker 1: news TV appearances that have just not been great in

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Speaker 1: terms of this whole situation. So she initially was asked

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Speaker 1: by The New York Times whether the jurors had recommended

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Speaker 1: indicting Trump. She would not answer directly, but said, quote,

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Speaker 1: you're not going to be shocked. It's not rocket science,

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Speaker 1: adding you won't be too surprised. I will tell you

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Speaker 1: that if the judge releases the recommendations, it's not going

514
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Speaker 1: to be some giant plot twist. You probably have a

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Speaker 1: fair idea of what may be in there. I'm trying

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Speaker 1: very hard to say that delicately. First, let me get

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Speaker 1: your reaction to that, because it feels to me like

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Speaker 1: she is very strongly suggesting that Trump is going to

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Speaker 1: be indicted. But then I mean, I don't really know,

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Speaker 1: and nobody really knows other than these people, but it

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Speaker 1: seems like she really wants to come all the way

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Speaker 1: up to the edge of saying Trump's going to be

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Speaker 1: indicted without technically violating like whatever secrecy she's supposed to

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Speaker 1: keep if she was a rational person, And I'll show

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Speaker 1: you a little bit why I think she might be irrational.

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Speaker 1: That's the way I would have read it. But also,

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Speaker 1: you can't probably underestimate the fact this is clearly a

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Speaker 1: person who's enjoying fifteen minutes of fame, teasing the media her,

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Speaker 1: you know, a little time in the spotlight, and it's

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Speaker 1: possible that she could be ginning everybody up and trying

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Speaker 1: to give out some right. So I'm actually on the

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Speaker 1: mind that this all could just be a fake media

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Speaker 1: side show for Edigut on TV. True, because what I

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Speaker 1: kept asking me is like, she says, Okay, you're not

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Speaker 1: going to be surprised, Well, what would be more surprising

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Speaker 1: Trump doesn't get indicted or Trump is indicted, right, it

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Speaker 1: would be more indicting former president of the United States

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Speaker 1: is pretty shocking development. I don't know if you call

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Speaker 1: it surprising at this point, but maybe I don't know.

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Speaker 1: So that's why I find it surprising. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what to make of all of this. But she also,

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Speaker 1: as I mentioned before she went on CNN, it was

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Speaker 1: a strange appearance. Let's take a little and how that went.

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Speaker 1: Our indictment's recommended, of course, is it more than twelve people?

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Speaker 1: Is it more than twenty people? I think if you

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Speaker 1: look at the page numbers of the report, there's about

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Speaker 1: six pages in the middle that got cut out allow

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Speaker 1: for spacing. It's not a short list, not a short list.

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Speaker 1: More personally, we want to hear from the former I

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Speaker 1: wanted to hear from the former president, but honestly, I

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Speaker 1: kind of wanted to disappeared the former president because I

552
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Speaker 1: got to swear everybody in, and so I thought it'd

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Speaker 1: be really cool to get sixty seconds with President Trump

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Speaker 1: of me looking at him and being like, do you

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Speaker 1: solemnly swear I'm beginning to swear him in. I just

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Speaker 1: I kind of just thought that would be an awesome moment.

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Speaker 1: And if it was just a perjury charge or perjury charges,

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Speaker 1: would that be acceptable too. That's fine. I will be

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Speaker 1: happy as long as something happens. I mean, I see

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Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, and she seems stone cold crazy.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honesk you like. I mean, listen, it's

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Speaker 1: never been on TV before. Nervous laughter. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but here's what I'll say. Go and put this next

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Speaker 1: piece up on the screen. So there's already news from

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Speaker 1: Robert Costa that CBS News has learned lawyers close to

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Speaker 1: several Goop witnesses in Fulton County investigation were preparing to

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Speaker 1: move to quash any possible indictments by the DA based

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Speaker 1: on the public statements by the fore one of the

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Speaker 1: special grand jury, per two people familiar with the discussion.

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Speaker 1: So the lawyers for the people who could be accused

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Speaker 1: here or indicted here are seizing on this to say

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Speaker 1: this is all improper. We want this all you nullified

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Speaker 1: because of her public statements. I don't know that that

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Speaker 1: will work, but she's certainly not doing anyone any favors

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Speaker 1: in terms of inspiring confidence in the process. Listen, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the nature of juris is it's a group of your peers.

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Speaker 1: It's regular citizens who have, in many times instances not

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Speaker 1: done this before, who come to it with whatever their

579
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Speaker 1: personality quirks and traits and biases happen to be. So

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Speaker 1: that is not unusual. But even you know her talking about, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I really wanted to swear in President Trump, and that's

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Speaker 1: why I wanted to subpoena him. Like, that's not a

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Speaker 1: good reason to subpoena someone because you personally when I

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Speaker 1: have some face to face time with them. So it

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Speaker 1: definitely gives if Trump is indicted out of this, it

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Speaker 1: definitely gives him a lot to work with in terms

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Speaker 1: of trying to make the argument to the public that

588
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Speaker 1: this was all unfair, that this was, you know, kangaroo court.

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Speaker 1: I think he's already used that word, that this was

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Speaker 1: all ridiculous and unserious. And even Maggie Haberman is saying,

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Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. She thinks that Trump

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Speaker 1: indictment is probably likely based on these comments, but the

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Speaker 1: Georgia jury blabbermouth is not helpful. So that's kind of

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Speaker 1: where things stand. Yeah, I mean, Anderson Cooper actually did

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Speaker 1: an entire reaction to this last night on CNN. So

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Speaker 1: I was looking at all the establishment press, the smart

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Speaker 1: ones like Maggie Haberman and Anderson coop A I geest

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Speaker 1: smart in this context, are like, hey, this is probably

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Speaker 1: not good and how can you look if Trump calls

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Speaker 1: it a political witch hun all you gotta do is

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Speaker 1: play that lady on Loop who was on national television

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Speaker 1: divulging all of these details. Also, look, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not a a lawyer, you know, I don't know all

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Speaker 1: of the exact you know, maneuvering and all that. But

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Speaker 1: clearly the costa news about filing and saying that it

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Speaker 1: was politically motivated and some sort of challenge and even

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Speaker 1: in a future appellate court seems very like he's made

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Speaker 1: the prosecutor's job incredibly difficult, actually, because now this is

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Speaker 1: going to be materially important in terms of the trial

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Speaker 1: and bringing the charges in the first place. And then

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Speaker 1: look in the realm that's the most important, the realm

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Speaker 1: of public opinion, this is now effectively I think, been negated.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think that you can walk away

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Speaker 1: from the fact that you have a fore woman who's

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Speaker 1: clearly politically motivated on national television before a charge even

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Speaker 1: drops talking about all of this, and then you know,

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Speaker 1: indictment and all that. I've always looked at it as

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Speaker 1: fifty to fifty as to how all of this would

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Speaker 1: actually yeah proceed. So you know, public opinion, I think

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Speaker 1: is and legitimacy is probably the most important one through

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Speaker 1: all of this. I think they've given a lot. You know,

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Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily get full motivated on her comments. I

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Speaker 1: just got unseerious, and that damages the credibility of the

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Speaker 1: process as well. I mean again, like I said, on

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Speaker 1: any jury, you're going to have people who are come

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Speaker 1: from a wide variety of views, perspectives, backgrounds, levels of competence,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. But you would like to keep a sort

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Speaker 1: of cloak of secrecy around so you can imagine that

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Speaker 1: this is like a group of very serious, very credible

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Speaker 1: people who aren't making decisions about, you know, something as

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Speaker 1: serious dis obpoenion the president based on their own desire

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Speaker 1: to be face to face with him and like have

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Speaker 1: their little sixty second moment with him. Now, maybe that's

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Speaker 1: a joke, Maybe she's just kidding. Maybe this is all

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Speaker 1: you know what I just like her awkward desire to

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Speaker 1: get in front of the cameras, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I keep coming back to what you

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Speaker 1: said Saga originally with the whole classified document situation being

639
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Speaker 1: revealed that Biden had classified documents too, Like this man

640
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Speaker 1: is so lucky, He is so lucky. And I think

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Speaker 1: that I increasingly feel confident in our early assessment and

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Speaker 1: prediction that if he does get indicted, it should have

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Speaker 1: a political impact. But I don't really think it's going

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Speaker 1: to and not just not only with the Republican base,

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Speaker 1: Like the longer this goes on, and the more distance

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Speaker 1: there is from January sixth and from Stop the Steal,

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Speaker 1: and the more he talks about Ukraine and social security

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Speaker 1: instead of like obsessing over election conspiracies, which I'm shocked

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Speaker 1: to see the somewhat intelligent maneuvers he's making in his

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Speaker 1: campaign right now, you know, the more that some of

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Speaker 1: this the bite is taken out of a potential indictment.

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Speaker 1: So so I don't know, it's a crazy situation we're

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Speaker 1: in where it's never been more clear that he is

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Speaker 1: probably pretty likely to get indicted, and I just don't

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Speaker 1: think it's going to be the blockbuster or shattering political

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Speaker 1: world overturning moment that it once seemed possible to be

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Speaker 1: at this point. They built it up for seven years.

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Speaker 1: It never ends up happening. And now even if it does,

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Speaker 1: it's going to be in a manner in a case

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Speaker 1: where you know, even the details are very unclear. Maybe

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Speaker 1: it might help the Democratic Party. I think it will

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Speaker 1: only solidify Trump support within the GOP, just like after

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Speaker 1: the mar A Lago Grade when everybody came behind him

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Speaker 1: and ultimately, you know, that sense of persecution. You know,

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Speaker 1: Trump is an identification of a lot of Republicans as

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Speaker 1: a man who embodies like there want to like say

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Speaker 1: screw you to the cultural left. Well that only makes

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Speaker 1: it even better, you know, so from a fighting perspective,

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Speaker 1: and then he would actually have to get convicted, which

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Speaker 1: you know, look it is Georgia. It's still a fifty

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Speaker 1: to fifty state last time I checked, you know, so

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Speaker 1: Electro you know how how that would all play out too,

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Speaker 1: Like it's not a foregone conclusion on any of this. Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: all right, guy. Speaking of Trump, he traveled to East Palestine, Ohio.

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Speaker 1: We have of course been covering the aftermath of that

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Speaker 1: train derailment and their decision to do a quote unquote

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Speaker 1: controlled release which was a giant fireball of toxic chemicals

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Speaker 1: that has had lingering impacts on the community and that

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Speaker 1: politicians have been very slow to react to. All right,

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Speaker 1: so backdraw is, remember we tracked this very close. Lever

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Speaker 1: News has done the best coverage of detailing the way

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Speaker 1: that industry corruption has consistently stripped safety regulations, starting with

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Speaker 1: the Obama administration, who sort of buckled under pressure and

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Speaker 1: limited the scope of the new safety regulations that they

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Speaker 1: were putting in place. Then Trump arguably did the most

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Speaker 1: damage by completely rolling back even some of the safety

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Speaker 1: recks that the Obama administration had put in place, in

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Speaker 1: particular with regards to this breaking system you have. Biden

689
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: administration maintains that status quo and of course joins with

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Speaker 1: Republicans to crush the worker's movement that was trying to

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Speaker 1: raise concerns safety concerns, specifically about potential incidents like this.

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Speaker 1: So Trump's hands are not clean on this issue whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: Quite the opposite, However, man knows how to spot a

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Speaker 1: political opportunity, and while Joe Biden was in Ukraine, Trump

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Speaker 1: traveled to East Palestine. Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 1: We're bringing thousands of bottle of water, Trump water, actually

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Speaker 1: most of it. Some of it we had to go

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Speaker 1: to a much lesser quality water. You want to get

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Speaker 1: those Trump bottles, I think more than anybody else. But

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Speaker 1: we're bringing a lot of what are thousands of bottles,

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Speaker 1: and we have it in trucks. So we brought some

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Speaker 1: on my plane today. And Norfolk Southern needs to fulfill

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Speaker 1: its responsibilities and obligations. And I see that they're starting

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Speaker 1: to come here now too, because they also were saying

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Speaker 1: they're not coming. But it means that the affected community

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Speaker 1: is beyond the borders of Palestine are going to be

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Speaker 1: taken care of. And they've said so, and they've said

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Speaker 1: it loud and clear, and I think they probably mean it.

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Speaker 1: I sincerely hope that when your representatives and all of

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Speaker 1: the politicians get here, including Biden, they get back from

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Speaker 1: touring Ukraine, that he's got some money left over. Biden

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Speaker 1: and FEMA said they would not send federal a to

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Speaker 1: East Palestine under any circumstance, and so not going to

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Speaker 1: send eight. I thought that was a strange statement because

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Speaker 1: I've been working with FEMA for a long time, four years,

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Speaker 1: and they were great with us with the tornadoes, the

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Speaker 1: hurricanes and things like this. What's your specialty? Hello, everybody,

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Speaker 1: that's a nice, beautiful So I know this menu better

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Speaker 1: than you do. I probably know it better than anybody here.

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Speaker 1: We're going to take care of the we're going to

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Speaker 1: take So that last piece there was him at McDonald's

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Speaker 1: with those and those, which is like, I know the

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Speaker 1: McDonald's menu better than we could actually, given how much

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Speaker 1: the man loves McDonald's, you know. And there's a couple

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Speaker 1: there's a lot to say about this actually. First of all,

726
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Speaker 1: clearly his political instincts still on point. Democrats handed him

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Speaker 1: an absolute lay up. There's such morons pete not going

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Speaker 1: there yet. By not going there yet, I mean allowing

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Speaker 1: opening up this space to make that talking, that talking

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Speaker 1: point of hey, he's in Ukraine, we're here and I

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Speaker 1: hope they still have some money for you guys when

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Speaker 1: they get back. Brutal. And then the other pieces of

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Speaker 1: media story, which is, you know, he wouldn't be able

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Speaker 1: to get away with going there and pretending like, oh,

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Speaker 1: this has nothing to do with me, and I'm just

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Speaker 1: here to try to help if the media had done

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Speaker 1: their job of explaining that backstory of corruption and how

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Speaker 1: his hands are very dirty in terms of caving to

739
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Speaker 1: industry pressure. But since they don't do that, he can

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Speaker 1: just ride in like a hero and distribute as Trump

741
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: bottles of water. Look Trump is back. I mean I

742
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 1: can feel it. I can sense it. I've novin't seen

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Speaker 1: he's fun again in a way that McDonald's, you know.

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Speaker 1: And look, I'm not saying this gives me pleasure to

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00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: say this. My whole monologue is really about his own

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00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: record with respect to Ford policy. All I'm saying is

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Speaker 1: pure politically for him to waltz into a town clearly

748
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Speaker 1: neglected force the media to cover it. It's just like

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Speaker 1: exactly what he did with Flint in twenty sixteen. You

750
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: remember that Trump and he actually won Flint. If we'll recall,

751
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: there's that good documentary about the Flint police department and

752
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: how they also so much supported him in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: and it caused like a big political stir at the time.

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Speaker 1: And then the deadliest talking point of all he's in Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: I'm over here. I hope he has some money that

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00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: is left over for you. And you know, the moment. Actually,

757
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: while the ptin of Biden speech was happening. I texted

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00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: them while I was abroad, and I was like, hey, immediately,

759
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Speaker 1: what popped in my head? Keeve before East Palestine and

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Speaker 1: then Secretary of budhaj Edge is visiting today after Donald Trump?

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Speaker 1: What is the guy doing? I remain you know, It's like,

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Speaker 1: how can you possibly have not immediately gotten on a plane?

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Speaker 1: You know? Now the President Biden has yet to put

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Speaker 1: out any full like comments or anything on East Palestine.

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Speaker 1: There's no announced visit. Where is Kamala Harr I mean

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Speaker 1: sends somebody like at the very least Buddha Jedge was

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Speaker 1: supposed to mean. He should have been there a week ago,

768
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Speaker 1: if you think about it, maybe nine ten days ago.

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Speaker 1: He should have been one of the very first people

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Speaker 1: on the ground with a FEMA director. She should have

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Speaker 1: had the Ohio governor and all those people right next

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Speaker 1: one and be like I'm taking charge. I'm not leaving

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Speaker 1: East Palestine until this is all done. Where is he? Oh?

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Speaker 1: I know where he is. He's here in Washington taking

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Speaker 1: personal time. We'll tell you a little yeah, I'll tell

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00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: you about later. He got mad at a reporter for

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Speaker 1: actually asking him when he was going to visit East Palestine. Well,

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Speaker 1: and here's here's another piece, is the Republican governor of

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Speaker 1: the state, Mike DeWine, does not come out looking good

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Speaker 1: in any of this either. He admitted before that like

781
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Speaker 1: the White House had called him and he just didn't

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Speaker 1: call them back to ask for aid for the area.

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Speaker 1: He also, you know, he was asked a question. We've

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Speaker 1: been tracking the water test results that were used to

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Speaker 1: give the all cleared residents to say it's all good,

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Speaker 1: you can drink the water, no problem here, and it

787
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: has increasingly become clear that the EPA relied predominantly on

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Speaker 1: a contractor that was paid for by Norfolk Southern themselves,

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Speaker 1: So the polluters paid for these water tests that the

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Speaker 1: Ohio EPA was predominantly relying on. Dwine got asked a

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Speaker 1: question by this I believe it was by our friend

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Speaker 1: Rich McHugh, News Nation Now investigative reporter who we've known

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Speaker 1: for quite a while, fantastic journalists who's been there on

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Speaker 1: the ground, who we had on the show earlier in

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Speaker 1: the week. In any case, DeWine reveals he really doesn't

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Speaker 1: have a clue what's going on. Hands it off to

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Speaker 1: the Ohio EPA director, who basically confirms the outlines of

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Speaker 1: that storylist way to listen to that. As the EPA

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Speaker 1: tested the water independently, Yes, we're testing it independently. Was

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Speaker 1: it initially tested in conjunction? I ask my director? The

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Speaker 1: Norfolk Southern contractor did a com They did their own

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Speaker 1: testing that same sample at the same time. It's collected

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Speaker 1: by the county and sent to a separate lab. The

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Speaker 1: Ohio EPA confirming to News Nation it was done in

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Speaker 1: conjunction at first, but will now begin its own independent

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Speaker 1: testing starting today and keep boddah judge and bouncing. He

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Speaker 1: will finally come here to the crash site, responding to

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Speaker 1: criticism he did not visit sooner. To be clear, our

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Speaker 1: department was on the ground within hours. I could have

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Speaker 1: spoken out sooner, and I'm making sure that we are

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Speaker 1: focused on the actions that are going to make a difference.

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Speaker 1: So de Wine there's a oh, yeah, we're doing my

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Speaker 1: own independent testing, and he's like, well, I don't really know.

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Speaker 1: Let me get to the EPA director who's like, well,

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Speaker 1: not actually, now we're starting to do our own independent

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Speaker 1: testing after they've already told people it's all safe and fine,

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Speaker 1: it's a desil Biden administration and the Republican governor here

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Speaker 1: have left the greatest political opening of all time, and

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Speaker 1: with buddhaj Edge at this point, I don't know how

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Speaker 1: in the hell that this guy continues to have a

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Speaker 1: job and Biden himself, I mean, you know, Biden, you

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Speaker 1: could always say his political instincts were at least better

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Speaker 1: than a lot of the people in the media, right,

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Speaker 1: a lot of the elites in the party. He has

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Speaker 1: lost it, you know, clearly, some of that the idea

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Speaker 1: of visiting a foreign country while you're dispensing hundreds of

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Speaker 1: billions of dollars to them and literally giving the greatest

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Speaker 1: talking point of all time that he cares about another

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Speaker 1: country and another country's borders more than he cares about

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Speaker 1: your own. That is all you're going to hear from

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party. And why shouldn't you, because now it's

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Speaker 1: creating the political pressure on the Biden administration where they

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Speaker 1: feel on the backfoot. And Chrystal clearly the Democrats they

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Speaker 1: know they screwed up. Now at this point, the National

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party is silent, but they're looking at this and

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Speaker 1: it is a total twenty sixteen replay. I think, I

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Speaker 1: really think Trump, you know, tweeted this earlier today. Trump's

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Speaker 1: power levels are higher than I've seen him in years.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't been talking about to stop the steal on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: He's honestly pretty funny or truth. Sorry, meatball Ron is fantastic.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's just the best. One of the best

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Speaker 1: nicknames I've heard in a lot. Says that's fake Newscimer.

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Speaker 1: He would never call me. He's going to say, you're right,

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Speaker 1: I've never called me ball meetball Ron, meatball Ron. Just

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00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 1: devastating him publicly looking at Mickey Haley and just brushing

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Speaker 1: her aside, just you know, almost smirking at her candidacy.

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Speaker 1: And then the political genius of just swaltzing into East

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Speaker 1: Palestine while Biden is in Ohio the Trump water and

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Speaker 1: making the joke about all of that. That is vintage

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Speaker 1: two thousand. He seems more unshackled right now than ever. Now. Look,

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Speaker 1: Trump is always his own worst enemy. He hasn't been

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Speaker 1: talking about stop the steel all that much lately. If

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Speaker 1: he does get into guided in Georgia, clearly you know

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Speaker 1: that's going to come back to the fourth. So he's

855
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Speaker 1: one of those where he has immense political talent and

856
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: immense political baggage. Right now you're seeing the talent aspect,

857
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: I think, and as look, if he continues, it's only

858
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: going to work out even Yeah, and no talk about

859
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: abortion from him, No, not one word about it. He's

860
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: not a stupid man. I always say that. The last

861
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: thing I want to point out, which I raised yesterday,

862
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: go and put this up on the screen. I think

863
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: we had covered before how Libby Montana has Medicare for

864
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: All because of this provision that got put into Obamacare,

865
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: where if you have an area that's deemed a public

866
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: health disaster and that town had been poisoned basically because

867
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: of the result of mining operation there, but you can,

868
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: if you're deemed public health disaster, you can actually invoke

869
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: this provision of Obamacare to get Medicare for life. Now, listen,

870
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: in my opinion, everybody deserves Medicare for all, but at

871
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: the very least, these residents who we know were exposed

872
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: to a known carcinogen deserve to have health care coverage

873
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: for themselves and for their children for life, because after

874
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: the TV cameras go away, and after the immediate symptoms

875
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: and the smell of chemical contaminants. After that all fades,

876
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: it's years down the road when we will really know

877
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: the true health impacts of what ultimately happened here. And

878
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: to lend myself some credibility, David Dayan sort of second

879
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: the idea because he's the one who flagged for me

880
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: originally back previously that Libby Montana had this ability and

881
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: that this was something that the Biden administration could potentially use,

882
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: and he said he was warming to the idea. It

883
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: requires a Public Health Emergency Declaration. EPA has already said

884
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: to Norfolk Southern that the situation fits under a circle.

885
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is. HHS would then have

886
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: to create a specific pilot program for East Palestine based

887
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 1: on potential exposure. So and he goes on to add

888
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: five thousand new people on the MEDICA roles as a

889
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: rounding error. Government would have to admit the potential for

890
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: harm from chemical exposure, though, which would seem to be

891
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: the main hurdle, as nobody really wants to say that

892
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: right now. So that's the barrier is they don't want

893
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: to admit that there was potentially damaging, long term chemical

894
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 1: exposure here that could make them eligible for this provision

895
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: and when they admit it, they have to admit their

896
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: own role in not going and trying to fix it

897
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: as soon as possible. So these people, look, they've been

898
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: screwed from day one. We're not going to let this

899
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: go and we can't. It's unfortunate that the Biden administration

900
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: really a media leftist open for Republicans and for independent journalism.

901
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: But we're going to take it because you know, you

902
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: can't just forget these people. Yeah, it's just really not right.

903
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 1: That's absolutely right. And to that point, we have been

904
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: partnering with Status KU on the ground. They have a

905
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: journalist there who has been talking to residents over days,

906
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: if not weeks at this point, talking to them about

907
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: their symptoms and doing some digging, in particular into those

908
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: water tests. So let's get right to it. Louis de

909
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 1: Angelus of Status qu joins us now, Grace c. Lewis,

910
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: just man, thanks for having me. So I understand you

911
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: have some new reporting about the water tests which were conducted,

912
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: in which we're used as the basis for telling residents

913
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: it's all good. You can drink the water, there's going

914
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: to be no problems. Tell us what you've learned yeah,

915
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: absolutely so in you know, reporting from several other folks

916
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: as well up until this point. You know, I actually

917
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: ran into the governor the other day, asked him a

918
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: couple of tough questions that he was not necessarily excited

919
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: to have asked, and did his best to dodge them.

920
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: And basically the tests that have been done initially up

921
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,439
Speaker 1: until basically the last forty eight hours were all from

922
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: contractors hired by either Norfolk Southern or contractors hired by

923
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,919
Speaker 1: the EPA. These two contractors are companies called Tetra Tech

924
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: and CTEH. Both of these companies have histories of mishandling

925
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: results and information they've you know, some of in some

926
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: cases falsifying test results. This you know, these companies were

927
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: being used. One of them was during the deep Water

928
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: Horizon incident. I don't know if you remember back in

929
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 1: twenty ten. The New York Times reported on that one

930
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: and the other one. Let me pull it up here

931
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: just because I want to make sure I have it

932
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: all accurate for you all. The other incident as well

933
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: was from the let's see, the Hunter's Point Naval Shipyard

934
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 1: in San Francisco. So both of these companies are giving

935
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: residents more reason to question the results and the answers

936
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: that their government officials are giving them or frankly, you

937
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: know more realistically not giving them. So with that information,

938
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: you know up until forty eight hours ago, again, these

939
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: tests are being provided by these two companies, one of

940
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: them being hired directly by the railroad, which has no

941
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: incentive here to necessarily put out the accurate information. Right,

942
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: these guys are trying to cover their butts in a

943
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: lot of this stuff. And it gets a little bit

944
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: worse because as we looked into this, I've been on

945
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: the ground talking with residents since over the last weekend,

946
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: establishing trusts with these folks and actually giving them the

947
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: time of day to talk to them and build trust.

948
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: And the children of one of the parents that I've

949
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: established a good relationship with asked if he could do

950
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: an interview. Some of his friends wanted to as well.

951
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: We got permission to do this interview with the children,

952
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: and one of the kids mentioned that the water fountains

953
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: in their school, so not the part that you can

954
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 1: go down and get a sip from, but the part

955
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: that you can fill up your water bottle in is

956
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: actually open to use inside of their school, and I mean,

957
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: my heart just dropped when I heard that. I mean,

958
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: I've got little nieces. You know. The kids did say

959
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: there is bottled water in school, But again, these are children.

960
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: We're talking about the fact that they can go fill

961
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: up their water bottle in the school because officials are

962
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: telling them that the water is fine when we're relying

963
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: on again predominantly tests that are being contracted out by

964
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: the railroad. It's unconscionable to me to hear that happen,

965
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: and it you know, it's it's a it's a tough

966
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: it's a tough story. And I mean, these folks are

967
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: going through so much here. It's it's tough to talk about.

968
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: These conversations that I'm having with residents are are hard

969
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: ones to have. These folks are being put in absolutely

970
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: impossible positions. Lewis the piece about these contractors, it's the

971
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: first time learning about it. Can you give us a

972
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: little bit more detail about their involvement that was you know,

973
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: revealed to be fraudulent in the past, falsifying records. What

974
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: was uncovered there, just so we know some of the specifics. Yeah,

975
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: so I know more of a deepwater horizon incident. And

976
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: in the article from the New York Times. Essentially they

977
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: do a good job with this. I encourage folks to

978
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: find it. We can get you all the link to

979
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: post in the description or something like that. But in

980
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: that incident, the New York Times essentially found that the

981
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: Deepwater Horizon incident, the company had every incentive to essentially

982
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 1: make these folks be feeling okay and getting them back

983
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: to work and all this sort of thing. So it's

984
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,280
Speaker 1: really the incentives that were being placed. We're obviously incorrect

985
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: in all of these instances. There should be independent testing

986
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: being done. And again, if you want residents here in

987
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: East Palestine or in any other incidents, you know, across

988
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: the country where this to happen. Again, let's make sure

989
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: that we're using a company that does not have a

990
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: history of any of this kind of fraudulent information. Yeah, so,

991
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 1: can you expand then in the context of the general

992
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: kind of corporate influence and cover up that's been going

993
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: on here that you've been able to witness on the ground,

994
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,280
Speaker 1: because it just seems like the latest in a series

995
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: of things that's been happening. No, it is, and you know,

996
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: everything from initially, you know, the railroad varying contaminants underneath

997
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: the railroad tracks, right. Residents have been very unhappy about that,

998
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: and essentially, even even with the evacuations, right, there's a

999
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 1: lot of speculation. Again, I can't confirm any of this necessarily,

1000
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of speculation that the reason the

1001
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: town was deemed safe again was because the railroad is

1002
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: not able to run trains through the town while there's

1003
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 1: still an evacuation notice ordered. If no one's allowed back

1004
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 1: into town, why you know, railroad conductors that sort of

1005
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: thing aren't going to be able to be going through

1006
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: this area because it's unsafe. So there's added pressure to

1007
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: get folks back into town. Tell them everything is fine,

1008
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: everything is safe, so that they can get the railroad

1009
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 1: moving again. And I can tell you after being here

1010
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: for several days, that railroad is busy. I mean, in

1011
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: some times a day, it's every ten minutes a train

1012
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: going by. Oftentimes right now, the trains are actually being

1013
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: double stacked the shipping container ones. Residents tell me that

1014
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: that was not the case beforehand, but it's just mostly

1015
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,240
Speaker 1: single stacked. They're trying to catch up on the railroad

1016
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: being closed from before with these double stack trains, which

1017
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: I don't need to tell you this. The double stack

1018
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 1: trains are going to be heavier than singles, tracked one

1019
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: tracked ones. It's it's uncomfortable again, Lewis. We actually have

1020
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: you interviewed residents who voiced exactly the fear and suspicion

1021
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: you were laying out that basically the all clear call

1022
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 1: was rushed in order to get back to business as usual. Guys,

1023
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: this is the second stot that we have. I believe

1024
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: it's labeled to see five Control room. Let's go ahead

1025
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: and take a listen to that. They had that thing

1026
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:40,760
Speaker 1: cleaned up and the train running through within forty eight hours.

1027
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: They laid those tracks right over top of that, and

1028
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: there is no way that they hauled any of it out.

1029
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: They laid it right over top. And you know the

1030
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: fire department when when this initially happened, it's a fire,

1031
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: they're trying to put it out. There's brain what where'd

1032
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: that water go? You know, it's right in the ground,

1033
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: in the soil. And they laid those were tracks people.

1034
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: And the thing is they weren't allowed to run the

1035
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: train through an evacuated area. So as soon as them

1036
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 1: train tracks were done, the evacuations lifted people that came

1037
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: home the night day. We didn't come up to the

1038
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 1: next morning, but there were people that came home that night.

1039
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 1: They had videos they had to wait on the train

1040
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: because the train was already up and running before they

1041
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: could get back in their houses. Now, is that a

1042
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: coincidence that they weren't allowed to run through an evacuated

1043
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: area and all of a sudden, the train's ready to

1044
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: go and the evacuate evac you know, the evacuation was lifted.

1045
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: You know, I think not so. Residents very fearful that

1046
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: their health and safety was put at risk in order

1047
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: to make sure that the rail companies could get back

1048
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: to operating a maximum capacity and get back to making

1049
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 1: the profit margins they're used to. Absolutely, and I mean again,

1050
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: Stella and Darren there. I talked to them for forty

1051
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: five minutes. They've got foster children, young kids, some of

1052
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: them with pre existing conditions. And you know that house

1053
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: that we were interviewing them in there, that's been their

1054
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: family for one hundred years. This is you know, they're like,

1055
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: what are we going to pass on to our kids?

1056
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: Our house is worth nothing. Now that's a major concern

1057
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: from a lot of folks in town. Is you know,

1058
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: there's folks who are looking to retire, they want to

1059
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: sell their house. What are they going to do now?

1060
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: Norfolk Southern's not talking about buying people's houses at the

1061
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: value that they were beforehand, and I'm you know, I'm

1062
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: sure they're not looking into doing that at any point.

1063
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: But again, even for renters, I mean I mentioned earlier

1064
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: on in this parents are being put in an absolutely

1065
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 1: impossible situation here, right, I'm talking to people with I'll

1066
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: give you some of the symptoms that we're hearing. And

1067
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Speaker 1: this isn't just from like one or two people. I'd

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Speaker 1: say roughly half of the people I'm talking to are

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Speaker 1: dealing with some of these symptoms here. So we've got rashes,

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Speaker 1: bloody noses, the bloody noses, especially with kids like every

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Speaker 1: night in some cases right, sore throats, dry and stinging eyes, vomiting,

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Speaker 1: breathing problems, diarrhea, and again, some of this stuff is

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Speaker 1: hard to necessarily show on camp, but I can tell

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Speaker 1: you from being invited into many of these people's homes,

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Speaker 1: going into some of the businesses here, these people are

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Speaker 1: not bsing you into trying to believe this sort of

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Speaker 1: thing it's frustrating to see, you know, folks online saying, oh,

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00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: you know, folks are looking for a handout. These people

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Speaker 1: are in the most impossible situation ever. You walk into

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Speaker 1: some of these places and you can feel it in

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00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: your eyes, you can smell it's it's an absolute shame

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Speaker 1: that this is going on. And as a result of this,

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Speaker 1: to talk a little bit more about some of the

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00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: you know, corruption, gaslighting, whatever you want to call it

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Speaker 1: going on here, the State of Ohio set up a

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Speaker 1: clinic in the town for folks to go to. I

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Speaker 1: asked Governor DeWine. I was like, you know, I talked

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Speaker 1: to all of these people on this street last night.

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Speaker 1: We ran into them on the street because the local

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Speaker 1: resident tipped me off that he was there. I was like,

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Speaker 1: I talked to all these folks on this street. They're

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Speaker 1: experiencing all of these symptoms that I just listed off

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Speaker 1: for you. Where should they go? He goes, they should

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Speaker 1: go to the clinic that the State of Ohio is

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Speaker 1: set up. So we went to the Ohio State you know,

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Speaker 1: the clinic that they set up in town. And this

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Speaker 1: clinic isn't even providing actual medical services here right. The

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Speaker 1: clinic is essentially providing folks to talk to. Right, so

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Speaker 1: you go, you get you you you know, can can

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Speaker 1: talk to an expert, I guess, and then they'll refer

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Speaker 1: you to go to your doctor. Hopefully you've got health insurance.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully you have a plan that doesn't have a high

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Speaker 1: deductible or else you're on the hook or emergency room bills.

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Speaker 1: That's unbelievable. And that's one more point on this, if

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Speaker 1: I can make it. A lot of the other you know,

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Speaker 1: local journalist in town, and obviously there's exceptions to the rule,

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Speaker 1: and even some of the national media. We were there

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Speaker 1: reporting from in front of the medical center. Uh, and

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00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: they're out there essentially reading the press release saying this

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Speaker 1: medical clinic is now open. Members of the public should

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Speaker 1: come here for for you know, services and whatnot. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: I've got residents texting me saying this is ridiculous. This

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00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: is no real services here. There's no real services. And fortunately,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're able to actually be here to do

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Speaker 1: it because nobody you know, again, there is exceptions to

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Speaker 1: the rule, no doubt about it. But you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: not an expert journalist. I don't have a journalism degree, right,

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00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: but I feel like I'm out here asking the questions

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Speaker 1: that a lot of these other folks aren't, which is

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Speaker 1: a shame that I have to be in that position

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00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 1: to try to do it well. We find ourselves in

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00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: that position sometime. We're very happy to help support your

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Speaker 1: work down there. So yeah, we appreciate you being there

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Speaker 1: and let us know continue if you ever need any

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Speaker 1: more resources or anything. Yeah, thanks, lewis great to have you.

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Speaker 1: If we're able to as well, folks, we're going to

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Speaker 1: be posting a lot of content on status QUP. If

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Speaker 1: you're not a Status qu subscriber already, that would be

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00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: fantastic if you can come follow some of our work there. Yeah,

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00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: they've been done. That's from the beginning. Thanks, guys, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: At the same time, there's some rumblings here in Washington,

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Speaker 1: very interesting rumblings. I'm not sure quite yet how to

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Speaker 1: take it serious. Let's put it up there on the

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Speaker 1: screen from Politico headline Biden may not run. Top Dems

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Speaker 1: are quietly preparing for it. The president no longer seems

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Speaker 1: absolutely certain to go for a second term, leaving the

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Speaker 1: party's top aids and potential candidates unsure. About twenty four

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Speaker 1: and very quietly mulling whatever a plan be would look like.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm not quite yet sure what to make of

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00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: this crystal, because previously the reporting was he is ironclad,

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00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: it's totally good to go. The closest advisors President Biden,

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Speaker 1: all the people the president President seeks, they break the schedule,

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Speaker 1: brig the DNC primary South Carolina and all of that,

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00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: all of the launch. It was supposed to happen sometime

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00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: in April, but now the definitive date is moving. Nobody's

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00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: quite yet said when the hard deadline or the formal

1147
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 1: process were actually arriving at the launch date. Decision will

1148
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: be the final call was pushed aside. They continue to

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Speaker 1: blame Kiev or the holiday weekend trip more recently that

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Speaker 1: he had taken, and he seems to be dithering as

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Speaker 1: to what exactly he wants to do. And there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of questions as to why exactly that is. We

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00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: know that Joe Biden is one of the people that

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00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: he takes most seriously and her advice. It could be

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Speaker 1: a concern over his age. We've talked about before. It

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00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: be eighty six years old. He may not admit in

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00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: public that his age is a problem, But clearly everybody

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Speaker 1: else in the world is like, I can't even believe

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Speaker 1: that anyone that old would ever seek reelection, let alone

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Speaker 1: you know, current continue to be in the Oval office.

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Speaker 1: But actually, what really struck home for me was a

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Speaker 1: part of the piece where they say Biden is famously indecisive,

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Speaker 1: a habit exacerbated by decades in the Senate, and it

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Speaker 1: actually hearkens back to the Hillary time. Well, remember in

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, he was a serious possible candidate for president.

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Speaker 1: He almost came close, had some advisors and people who

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Speaker 1: were assembled behind him and couldn't say yes no. Obama

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Speaker 1: famously kind of put the squeeze on him Hillary and

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Speaker 1: the DNC says no, no no, no, it's all Hillary's turn.

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Speaker 1: He basically just eventually the last minute, after Hillary's already announced,

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Speaker 1: comes to the decisions Okay, I'm not going to do it.

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Speaker 1: Step Aside continues to say it's one of the biggest

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Speaker 1: regrets of his life in public. But he's now and

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Speaker 1: now he's kind of displaying that same attitude. My personal

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Speaker 1: opinion is I think he eventually will run, but having

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Speaker 1: the just because they have no other option, you know,

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Speaker 1: as long as he's he could still speak like, not

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Speaker 1: even semi coherently, like they're still going to do it

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00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: just because there's too much at stake here. But this

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Speaker 1: does demonstrate so I'm one of the biggest personal problems.

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Speaker 1: He's always had, the deliberation, the indecisiveness, and then he

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Speaker 1: gets snappy whenever people try and actually point it out

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Speaker 1: to him. He's a micro manager who can't make a decision. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it's a disastrous combination of traits for someone in

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Speaker 1: terms of being in a like management position. So you know,

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Speaker 1: he's got all kinds of staffers who are ready to

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Speaker 1: go for a presidential campaign. But you know, if he's

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Speaker 1: not even making the first decision of Okay, I'm definitely

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Speaker 1: doing it, well, then think of how they're paralyzed in

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Speaker 1: terms of, Okay, where do we do the headquarters, what

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00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: does our launch look like, what themes are we running?

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Speaker 1: Are we leaning into, Let's get some polling going, let's

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Speaker 1: think about the Republican field. All of those sort of

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Speaker 1: down the road decisions get paralyzed by an inability to

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Speaker 1: make that very first decision. Now, do I think that

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden is ultimately going to run again? Yes, I

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Speaker 1: always have I agree with you, Sager. The calculus remains

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Speaker 1: the same. You know, they have a Kamala Harris problem.

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Speaker 1: Maybe if he felt like he could easily hand the

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Speaker 1: baton to somebody else, I don't know that would be

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Speaker 1: Pete at this point, but to somebody else that he

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Speaker 1: felt confident about, then maybe it would be different. But

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Speaker 1: because it would be so hard to get around Kamala Harris,

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Speaker 1: first black woman vice president, I think he ends up

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Speaker 1: getting pushed back into this again. And the other piece

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Speaker 1: is the longer that he waits if he does decide,

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Speaker 1: all right, I'm just too old. I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: do it. Well, you have now really put all of

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Speaker 1: the other contenders on the back foot, who haven't had

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Speaker 1: time to fundraise and make their moves, etc. And so

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Speaker 1: you really have privileged Kamala Harris in this process. I mean,

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Speaker 1: right now, if you look at the polls, she's the

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Speaker 1: person who is in the lead, just sort of by default.

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Speaker 1: So the longer you wait, the more you make Kamala

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Speaker 1: Harris inevitable. And I think Biden and everybody else in

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Speaker 1: DC is at least intelligent to note enough to know

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Speaker 1: that that could be a complete disaster. So I do

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Speaker 1: think ultimately this is just him being his classic decisive self.

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Speaker 1: He'll probably ultimately come around to running again. But it's

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Speaker 1: interesting that this sort of chatter is going on right now.

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Speaker 1: Right So, in terms of the contenders, everybody wants to know.

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Speaker 1: So here's the list that Politico has put together. You've

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Speaker 1: got Pritzker, the governor of Ohio. I think he comes

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Speaker 1: from a billionaire family or sorry Illinois, but comes from

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Speaker 1: a billionaire family that can't hurt in terms of putting

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Speaker 1: together an instant campaign room. What was it recently that

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Speaker 1: he did where he was having some macho moments where

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Speaker 1: the press was liking Pritzker. Printzker captured like leftist imagination

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Speaker 1: for a moment. First of all, everybody loves a big boy,

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Speaker 1: so there's that. That's true. Number two, it was just

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Speaker 1: like almost on gun control, he actually did a few

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Speaker 1: things as governor that he promised he was going to do,

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Speaker 1: and people were like amazed by that. Okay, there was

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Speaker 1: something too of like he cut the gasoline tax when

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Speaker 1: energy prices were really sky high, and then he had

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Speaker 1: all the forced all the convenience stores to put on

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Speaker 1: the sign like this is because of Prince Kerst I

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Speaker 1: would do it too smart. Yeah, good. I think it

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Speaker 1: lifted the middle of a wage, some things like that.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, that's JB. Pritzker. Okay, so we got Pritzker.

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Speaker 1: That's one person. Apparently, Phil Murphy, the governor of New Jersey,

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Speaker 1: is taking a look. Amy Klobachar plans to seek reelection

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Speaker 1: to her Senate seat. Crystal's famous. I'm taking a hard

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Speaker 1: look at Amy Klobuchar. I guess the hard look continues

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Speaker 1: for people in the media. Elizabeth Warren apparently is another list,

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Speaker 1: although she's getting up there in age herself. Bernie, they

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Speaker 1: put the list ro Kana, so somebody who's been here

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Speaker 1: on the show but keeping his options open obviously, So

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Speaker 1: that's a list that they've put together. I think it's

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Speaker 1: remarkable that Buddha, Judge Kamla were our. I guess those

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Speaker 1: are just so obvious that they're saying that there are

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Speaker 1: other people better. Yeah. So, anyway, we don't know exactly,

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Speaker 1: but at the very least these pieces are good because

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Speaker 1: they either cause anger or silence from the White House,

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Speaker 1: so inevitably they will be asked about it, they will

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Speaker 1: be asked for comment, and then their own way that

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Speaker 1: they handle it and what it will spur in the future.

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Speaker 1: If it continues to see in action, then there's still

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Speaker 1: a possibility. If it's spurs action or gets Biden moving,

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Speaker 1: then it'll go in the different direction. But regardless, it

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Speaker 1: is important. It's one of the widely read places here

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Speaker 1: in Washington where everybody keeps an eye on, and we

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Speaker 1: thought it was absolutely worth covering. Yeah. Meanwhile, the Republican

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Speaker 1: side is, I don't know, it's kind of shaping up

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Speaker 1: a little bit. We've got some some polling here showing

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Speaker 1: Trump taking a bit more of a lead in this race. Well,

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Speaker 1: he's certainly doing much better than I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of people are willing to admit. And let's go and

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Speaker 1: put this up there. So January second, the Republican poll

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Speaker 1: from Morning Console had Trump at forty five percent, up

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Speaker 1: by eleven points on Ron DeSantis who had thirty four percent,

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Speaker 1: Mike Pence at eight, Nikki Haley at three. February nineteenth.

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Speaker 1: Keep in mind this is after the Haley announcement. Trump

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Speaker 1: is now up to fifty percent. He's actually gained on

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Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis. Much of that is directly from DeSantis's support

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Speaker 1: at thirty percent, Mike Pence at six, Nicki Haley at six,

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Speaker 1: what can you kind of surmise from that? Haley by

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Speaker 1: simply announcing, was able to get three percent of the

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Speaker 1: anti Trump vote, but by creating the contrast without DeSantis

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Speaker 1: and Mike Pence technically in the race, Trump's own support

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Speaker 1: of people who are contrasting him with potential others has

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Speaker 1: actually gone up to the outright fifty. Now, listen, a

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Speaker 1: lot can change, of course, of course, right, and we

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Speaker 1: have not yet seen any actual attack on Trump. But hey,

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Speaker 1: maybe that's a problem when you're running against him. Nikki

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Speaker 1: Haley continues with they're idiotic. I'm not kicking sideways, I'm

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Speaker 1: kicking forth. First of all, what does it mean? Second?

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Speaker 1: Why are we kicking? We're continuing to kick national tell

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Speaker 1: I Heals and all that. But it's not just her,

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Speaker 1: it's all of the other potential contenders. Mike Pence has

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Speaker 1: not said a damn word about Donald Trump. Ron DeSantis

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Speaker 1: hasn't said it. Don Tim Scott, who apparently wants to

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Speaker 1: throw his hat in the ring too, well, he was

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Speaker 1: on TV just last night. What is Sean Hannity ask him?

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Speaker 1: He said, well, okay, what makes you different from Trump

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Speaker 1: in any way? He's basically like nothing. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 1: What are the differences in terms of of policy positions that,

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Speaker 1: for example, you may have with President Trump. Probably not

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Speaker 1: very many at all. I am so thankful that we

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Speaker 1: have President Trump in office. Frankly, the policies that we

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Speaker 1: were able to pass from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: were monumental, all right, So I happen to think that

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Speaker 1: the policy things were monumental, we were better off for Trump.

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Speaker 1: So if you're better off for Trump being president, and

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Speaker 1: why shouldn't you be president again? This is the problem

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Speaker 1: with all of these people. They're not willing to take

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Speaker 1: any real shots, even in terms of the formative message.

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Speaker 1: You know, I have thought that DeSantis could make a

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Speaker 1: very powerful general election argument as to why we should

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Speaker 1: move away from Trump. A lot of people don't like Trump.

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Speaker 1: Maybe two thirds of the country. E's either ambivalent thinks

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Speaker 1: negatively him. Half of those ambivalent people willing to hold

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Speaker 1: their nose and vote for him, but they're not technically excited.

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Speaker 1: It's really only the MAGA people that are. For those people,

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Speaker 1: that would be a critical way, but you got to

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Speaker 1: win the primary, and to win the primary, you have

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Speaker 1: to care, you have to speak to the issues that

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Speaker 1: they really care about. For a lot of the Republican

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Speaker 1: base right now, it is very clear it's culture war.

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing. On culture war, how do you

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Speaker 1: outflank Donald Trump on that he invented the model. You're

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Speaker 1: not going to culture harder than Donald Trump. He's the

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Speaker 1: He's the king of own the troll king from day

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Speaker 1: one and always kind of has been then. And he'll also,

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Speaker 1: by the way, he'll always up the ante, right. You know,

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Speaker 1: everybody with Obama they were like willing to play footsie

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Speaker 1: with else. He's like he wasn't born here at all,

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Speaker 1: you know, He's like he knew it was bs. He

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Speaker 1: just didn't care because and I remember there's private reporting

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Speaker 1: where Romney apparently was like, hey, man, like maybe don't

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Speaker 1: say any of this, and Trump was like, you have

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Speaker 1: no idea how much it gets the crowd going. He's

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Speaker 1: a performer, like he knows exactly what he's doing and

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Speaker 1: he doesn't care about what the red lines are in yeah,

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Speaker 1: always every single time. So first of all, you can't

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Speaker 1: do that, yeah, And second, you know, in terms of

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Speaker 1: in terms of the Republican base right now on economics,

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party nationally has never been more out of

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Speaker 1: step with them and their desire to preserve social security

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Speaker 1: and medical Sure. They might buy that Biden spending or

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Speaker 1: whatever has led to inflation and generally blame him for that,

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Speaker 1: but they still want their entitlements and they're really loving

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Speaker 1: the rays that they got on social security. So to

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Speaker 1: put that contrast, I think with the two of them, fundamentally,

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Speaker 1: I'm watching all these would be Republican candidates. They're either

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Speaker 1: completely behind him on the issues that matter the most,

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Speaker 1: or in the case of Nikki Haley, she's trying to

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Speaker 1: basically be like a liberal left Democrat on Ukraine policy,

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Speaker 1: saying no actually to send even more weapons her and

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Speaker 1: people like Mike Pompeio. So he's got it, he's got

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Speaker 1: it dialed in, I think to where things are right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, the two issues he's really leaning into

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Speaker 1: are Ukraine, yeah, and social security. And he's smart, it's

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Speaker 1: very intelligent. And on social security. On Ukraine, you're going

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Speaker 1: to get a mix of answers. DeSantis is trying to

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Speaker 1: like move into a position to at least signal like

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Speaker 1: he's a Ukraine skeptic, although again. Like the thing Trump

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Speaker 1: will do is he'll just again come out and say

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Speaker 1: it like no tanks, and I will solve this on

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Speaker 1: day one. It's so easy to do, right, whereas others

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Speaker 1: a little craft, little talking points and try to play

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Speaker 1: to the bass. But he just comes out and says it.

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Speaker 1: And then on Social Security, every one of these people,

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Speaker 1: including Nicky Haley and Mike Pence, have already Mike Pence

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Speaker 1: wants to privatize Social Security. Okay, do good luck with that.

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Speaker 1: Nicki Haley is already out there saying like, oh, we

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Speaker 1: got to put him on the table, and which means cuts.

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Speaker 1: And then I don't know how Ronda Santis is going

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Speaker 1: to handle it, but he has a lot of comments

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Speaker 1: in his past backing up Paul Ryan's Medicare cuts, saying

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Speaker 1: we need to do the same thing with Social Security,

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Speaker 1: saying we need to look to increase the eligibility age,

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Speaker 1: which of course means cuts as well. So he now

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Speaker 1: either has to flip flop on those comments, which obviously

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Speaker 1: Trump is not going to let him get away with

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Speaker 1: and look kind of weak, or he has to stand

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Speaker 1: by them and be dramatically at odds with the rest

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Speaker 1: of the Republican base, So you know, he is doing

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Speaker 1: an effective job of grabbing the attention, of shaping the

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Speaker 1: battlefield as he ultimately wants it, and forcing everyone else

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Speaker 1: to respond. And if you can't even find a single

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Speaker 1: person in the Republican Party who's going to tell you

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Speaker 1: why we should, why you should move on Trump, what

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Speaker 1: issues they're different on, I don't know what to tell you,

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Speaker 1: because that's not the way politics works. If this guy

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Speaker 1: was so great while he was in office, then you

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Speaker 1: should just reelect him again, because I mean, and you know,

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Speaker 1: with Mike Pence, he actually does have some policy differences

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Speaker 1: on Ukraine and on abortion in particular, and on social

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Speaker 1: securities I just mentioned. Now, do I think those are

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Speaker 1: winning positions for him? Not particularly, although on abortion with

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Speaker 1: the Republican base he might be able to do something there,

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Speaker 1: But he doesn't even want to talk about those actual, real,

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Speaker 1: measurable policy differences that he has. So it's just, honestly,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of embarrassing. Oh, absolutely, and I think it

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Speaker 1: will only continue to be so. Yes, speaking of embarrassing,

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Speaker 1: Sager missed out on our coverage of Marjorie Taylor Green's

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Speaker 1: national divorce comments. So initially she was just like, we

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Speaker 1: need a national divorce. Everybody I say says this because

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Speaker 1: our differences are so irreconcilable. She kind of softened it

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Speaker 1: to be like, well, we'd stay together as a country,

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Speaker 1: but this would just limit the federal garb at something

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Speaker 1: like that. Because she got so much backlash across the House.

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Speaker 1: So Sean Hannity decided, is our second handity appearance here.

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Speaker 1: He's becoming very central apparently decided to have her on

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Speaker 1: his show and effectively back her up in this idea.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen. Green is saying that a national divorce

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Speaker 1: would empower individual states to form a smaller government, reduce

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Speaker 1: the federal debt, set their own environmental standards. And the

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Speaker 1: congresswoman has another idea as well, banning people who move

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Speaker 1: from blue states to red states from voting for five

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Speaker 1: years so they don't bring their bad politics with them.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I look at topics, for example, how do

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Speaker 1: you reconcile defund the police and nobail laws with law

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Speaker 1: and order. How do you reconcile secure borders and wide

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Speaker 1: open borders. How do you reconcile energy independence with energy

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Speaker 1: dependence and New Green dealism? How do you reconcile peace

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Speaker 1: through strength with people that want to gut our defense.

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Speaker 1: I don't see middle ground on a lot of these issues.

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Speaker 1: So what is the other answer if it's not a divorce? So, Sager,

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Speaker 1: since you haven't reacted to all of this, let me

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Speaker 1: get your thoughts. I don't know. I mean, it's just

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Speaker 1: so pathetic, to be honest. First of all, Marjorie's whole

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Speaker 1: turn towards the establishment. I guess that one took a

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Speaker 1: hard right. Yes, not exactly what happened there. She's like

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Speaker 1: returning right back to the kukery. I mean, I just

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Speaker 1: find these so pathetic and only the most cringe grifting

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Speaker 1: right wing Twitter personalities would ever think that this is

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Speaker 1: actually going to happen. And you know, let's put on

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Speaker 1: the historical hat. We have had many periods in our

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Speaker 1: history which were full of far more domestic strife than this.

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Speaker 1: And guess what, there was no war. The period after

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Speaker 1: the American Civil War was far more contentious politically. Here,

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Speaker 1: the period in the nineteenth maybe like the progressive area,

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Speaker 1: but like nineteen hundred to let's say, like nineteen twenty,

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Speaker 1: just an immense amount of fighting over internally over like

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Speaker 1: civil rights race, the economy, the progressive era combination, okay,

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Speaker 1: and then the nineteen sixties, which for all the talk

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Speaker 1: of how bad things are, we are nowhere even close

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Speaker 1: to what things and how bad they were in nineteen

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Speaker 1: sixty eight. So I just this is all just a fantasy,

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Speaker 1: and honestly it's just getting people ginned up. The part

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Speaker 1: of the reason I recognize it as such as, look,

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Speaker 1: I'm from Texas, and there is a cringe annoying element

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Speaker 1: of like the most mid baseline Texas take of like, well,

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01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 1: technically we were our own country and we could secede

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Speaker 1: in you know, the war between the States and all

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Speaker 1: that type of discussion with you know, the Confederate belt

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Speaker 1: buckle holding onto something even though their parents are from

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Speaker 1: like Ohio. Look, my point is that this is a larp.

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Speaker 1: It's one where a lot of people online like love

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Speaker 1: to get in these idiotic discussions, but fundamentally a it's

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Speaker 1: not going to happen. But it's also a dumb idea. See,

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Speaker 1: we actually fought an entire war to called the American

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Speaker 1: Civil War, to resolve the question of whether this could

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Speaker 1: ever be allowed to have happened, and three hundred some

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01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 1: people died in the Union Army to make sure that

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Speaker 1: it wasn't going to and preserve that. Then in the

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Speaker 1: Constitution are out the right to secede. So there are

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Speaker 1: so many fundamental levels as to why this is done.

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Speaker 1: But for her, it's smart if you want to make money.

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Speaker 1: You know, the most cringe elements of these people, they're

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Speaker 1: loving this. Well. The thing that is funny to me

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Speaker 1: is she keeps on insisting, like, I'm just talking to

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Speaker 1: regular people, and that's what they tell me. This is

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Speaker 1: the most online check of all time, which she demonstrates

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Speaker 1: what idiot like exactly, and she's like, that's why it's

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Speaker 1: got so many likes and retweets. It's like, no, this

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Speaker 1: is the most twitter brained dumb ass thing ever. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: does it serve her interests? Sure sure it does. Sure absolutely.

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Speaker 1: And as I'm only pointed out, which I think is

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Speaker 1: an important fact to remember, Marjorie Taylor Green lives in Georgia.

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Speaker 1: What do you do with the state like Georgia it's

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Speaker 1: a blue state? Yes, is it a red state? You know,

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Speaker 1: two Democratic senators went for Joe Biden, but you got

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Speaker 1: a Republican governor. So how's that one going to work out?

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Speaker 1: And her new idea is if Democrats move into red states,

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Speaker 1: they should be banned from voting for five years. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: just very very open, like small d democratic instinct here

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Speaker 1: to do. Like the people you don't like and disagree with,

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01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:16,720
Speaker 1: just don't let them vote. That's actually an old carpetbagging

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Speaker 1: sentiment from the old South after the American Civil War. Yeah,

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01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 1: why would anyone from the state which got burned to

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Speaker 1: the ground during the last Civil War want to have

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Speaker 1: another one like it? Ask people in Atlanta how that

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Speaker 1: worked out for them. So anyway, it pissed me off.

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Speaker 1: I find there's so many right wing personalities who are

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01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 1: always you know, who are always leaning into this, and

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Speaker 1: it's just try and get people like all these you know,

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01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 1: like feeding the gun paranoia. Look, I support gun ownership

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Speaker 1: always will. I mean, I'm people here know I'm not

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Speaker 1: even for many restrictions I've seen. But I want to

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01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 1: say I've seen a liberal version of this too. We

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01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 1: support more taxes and support more so let them go,

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01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. So I mean there is a

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Speaker 1: liberal version of this, but I don't know that a

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Speaker 1: member of Congress on the Democratic side has articulated it,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know that it's been given a serious

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Speaker 1: platform on a liberal talk show either. Yeah, and nor

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01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 1: should it. You know, this type of koukary like you

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01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 1: should just keep it out to where it is. But congratulations.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure it helped in terms of increasing serioence Twitter

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01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 1: followers and in terms of your fundraised numbers. I personally

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01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 1: find it disgusting. All right, Zacher, We're looking at it well.

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Speaker 1: Foreign President trumpson making a lot of waves in recent

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Speaker 1: days in his stance on Ukraine. Unquestionably, the pressure on

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01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:32,719
Speaker 1: the GOP base has forced his only serious potential rival,

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01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis, to rhetorically adopt the same framing as him

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01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 1: on Ukraine. After Biden's most recent Kiev. By a mile,

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01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:42,919
Speaker 1: it could be the most consequential stance of the entire campaign.

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01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 1: A lot of this came together in the most recent

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Speaker 1: video that Trump put out about Ukraine. Let's take a

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Speaker 1: listen to some of it. World War III has never

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01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 1: been closer than it is right now. We need to

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01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 1: clean house of all of the warmongers and america last

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01:15:56,360 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 1: globalist in the deep State, the Pentagon, the State Apartment,

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01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 1: and the National Security Industrial Complex. One of the reasons

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Speaker 1: I was the only president in generations who didn't start

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01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 1: a war? Is that I was the only president who

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01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 1: rejected the catastrophic advice of many of Washington's generals, bureaucrats,

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01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 1: and the so called diplomats who only know how to

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01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 1: get us into conflict, but they don't know how to

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Speaker 1: get us out. Okay, I'm really liking what I'm hearing

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01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 1: so far. But is it true? The thing about Trump

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01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen is we had no idea what he

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Speaker 1: was going to do. That was kind of the fun part.

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Speaker 1: But with Trump in twenty twenty three, we actually do

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01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 1: know when what he might do because he literally served

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Speaker 1: in office. Is it true he rejected the advice of

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01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 1: generals and warmongering diplomats. Well, in some cases yes, and

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Speaker 1: arguably the most important theater of conflict at the time,

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01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 1: though he did not, he actually did the opposite. Let's

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01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 1: take Afghanistan. Trump made a big deal about withdrawing from Afghanistan.

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01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 1: He pledged to end the war, and the most consequential

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01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:58,839
Speaker 1: thing that he did in his first months in office

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01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 1: was instead to accept the advice of the National Security Council,

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Speaker 1: the generals, and the warmongers who he hired to send

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Speaker 1: four thousand more troops to Afghanistan. That move alone bought

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01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:14,639
Speaker 1: US five more years in Afghanistan. It eventually collapsed as

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01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 1: a strategy when doing the exact same thing over and

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01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 1: over it didn't work, and then eventually negotiated the peace

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Speaker 1: deal with the Taliban. Look better late than never, I guess,

1543
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 1: but it's an important indicator. Then consider the theater of

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01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 1: conflict that's most important today. Ukraine. President Obama took an

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Speaker 1: immense amount of heat from hawkish Republicans for refusing to

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Speaker 1: send Javelin and Ti tank missiles to the Ukraine for

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01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 1: their war against rus Russian militias in the East. This

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Speaker 1: is before the invasion. Obama refused to do it because

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Speaker 1: he thought it would make relations with Russia worse and

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01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 1: it wouldn't actually do that much on the battlefield. It

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Speaker 1: was a key litmus test for Russian policy at the time. Well,

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Speaker 1: Trump actually reversed the Obama policy in his first year

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01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:02,560
Speaker 1: in office, accepted the neocon advice of the Pentagon in

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01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 1: the State Department, and greenlit anti tank missiles to Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: If you'll remember, one of the reasons Democrats impeached him

1556
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:13,760
Speaker 1: was for implying that those exact missile deliveries might be

1557
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 1: connected to trying to dig up dirt on Hunter Biden.

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Speaker 1: Belying it, though, is the fact that Trump actually did

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01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 1: what Obama refused to do. He escalated the conflict in

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Speaker 1: Ukraine on the advice of the generals. This is peer policy.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't even mention that Trump consistently hired national security

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Speaker 1: advisors like hr McMaster, Nikki Haley, John Bolton, Mike Pompeo,

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01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 1: dozens of other neocons who outright disagreed with him completely,

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Speaker 1: and in almost all cases he deferred to their judgment

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Speaker 1: while in office. Personnel is policy, That's the saying in Washington.

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Speaker 1: But okay, let's continue listening to the video. The State Department, Pentagon,

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01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 1: and National Security establishment will be a very different place

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Speaker 1: by the end of my administration. In fact, just into

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Speaker 1: my administration, and it'll be a very different place, and

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Speaker 1: it'll get things done. Okay, again, I really like the

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01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 1: sound of what I'm hearing, but doesn't match reality. The

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Speaker 1: first Secretary of Defense that Trump hired was whom General

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Speaker 1: James Mattis, who consistently pushed for escalated in conflict in Syria,

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Speaker 1: not withdrawing from Afghanistan, continued support for Ukraine, more kind

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01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 1: of confrontation with Iran. Eventually, Mattis actually quit the administration

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01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 1: and resigned because Trump wanted to withdraw from Syria and

1577
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:27,600
Speaker 1: he didn't agree with that. So let's keep watching the

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01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 1: video because there's even more irony. We'll also stop the

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01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:34,760
Speaker 1: lobbyists and the big defense contractors from going in and

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01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 1: pushing our senior military and national security officials toward conflict,

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01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 1: only to reward them when they retire with lucrative jobs

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01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 1: getting paid millions and millions of dollars. That's a fantastic idea.

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01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 1: There's just one problem. The person he literally hired to

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01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 1: replace Mattis, well, it's got bad news. It was actually

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01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:58,760
Speaker 1: Mark Esper, who, at the time he was chosen was

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01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 1: literally the top lobbyist for Raytheon in Washington, DC, one

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01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 1: of the largest defense contractors in the world. And lo

1588
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 1: and behold, Esper did exactly what Trump is accusing people

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01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 1: like him of doing. He consistently refused and stopped any

1590
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,800
Speaker 1: efforts by Trump to actually withdraw from Afghanistan. In fact,

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01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 1: his only criticism of Biden on Ukraine so far has

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01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:19,960
Speaker 1: been he hasn't sent enough weapons to Ukraine. Are you

1593
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 1: sensing a pattern here? If you're a Trump bootlicker, you

1594
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 1: can always find an excuse. Oh he tried, so what

1595
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 1: he hired these people, He's a grown man. Why did

1596
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 1: he hire them? His whole thing was hiring and firing people.

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01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 1: In fact, two of the people posturing against him, Nikki

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01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:38,760
Speaker 1: Haley and Mike Pompeo, literally worked for him and have

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Speaker 1: both been beating the war drum on Ukraine. I get

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01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 1: that if you're a Trump person, this is hard to hear.

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01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 1: I guess I'm just one of those people who likes

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01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 1: to see some of these things actually done. A hard

1603
01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 1: and a tough lesson that I learned through the Trump

1604
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 1: years is almost all of it is just talk. Trump

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01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 1: does and never has had the inclination or the follow

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01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 1: through to be a competent commander and she or an

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01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 1: effective vessel for policy priorities. Now, to be fair, it's

1608
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 1: possible he has changed many people around him, like Johnny DeStefano.

1609
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 1: They said it will never happen again, that there's a

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01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 1: new plan where they're going to fire the federal bureaucracy

1611
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 1: and bring in people who have displayed total policy alignment

1612
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 1: with Trump. We'll see I've heard it all before. You

1613
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:20,840
Speaker 1: should remember Trump was literally so incompetent. He couldn't get

1614
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:23,599
Speaker 1: the travel ban done, he couldn't get Daca rescinded. He

1615
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 1: lost his census battle over the illegal immigrants at the

1616
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 1: Supreme Court, all because the people who work for him

1617
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 1: messed up the basic legal filings. Keep that in mind

1618
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 1: when you hear him talk. I was excited once too,

1619
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 1: some of this could come reality. Unfortunately, almost all of

1620
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 1: it did not happen. Here's the thing with Trump, I

1621
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 1: think the only effective case. And if you want to

1622
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 1: hear my reaction to Sagres's monologue, become a premium subscriber

1623
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 1: today at Breakingpoints dot com. Cristal, what are you taking

1624
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 1: a look at it? Well, guys, I got a little

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01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 1: mystery for you today. Take a look at this map.

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01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 1: So this was recently published in Economics. Paper was analyzed

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Speaker 1: here by the Washington Post. This it shows the nation's

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01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 1: average credit scores by county. Dark blue is bad, mustard brown.

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01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:08,719
Speaker 1: I guess you'll call that is good and an obvious

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01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 1: trend leaves off the page. The South as a region

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01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 1: has abysmal credit scores starting in southern Virginia and in Appalachia,

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01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:17,639
Speaker 1: and creeping all the way down the Panhandle in Florida

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Speaker 1: and over to Texas. You see a whole lot of

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01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 1: people who are struggling with a lot of debt. Now

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01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 1: you might think this is a really simple story of class,

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01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:26,960
Speaker 1: and in a sense it is. Overall, places with higher

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01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 1: poverty do have lower credit scores, but this dynamic did

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01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 1: not come close to accounting for this highly regional and

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01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 1: very specific phenomena. Even in wealthy areas in the South,

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01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 1: people had lower FICO scores than their Midwestern counterparts. Now

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01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 1: that's a terrible situation for Southerners. There are few things

1642
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 1: as pernicious as debt for constraining your life choices and

1643
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 1: crippling you with stress and anxiety. Throughout history, debt has

1644
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 1: actually been used as a tool of control. You can

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01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 1: think of the company store in mining towns where workers

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01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 1: would end up with debts they could not pay and

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01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 1: effectively working as indentured servants. Or you can think about

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01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 1: the IMF in the World Bank, which lend developing countries

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01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 1: money and then they use that debt as leveraged to

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01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:07,719
Speaker 1: four shock doctrine neoliberal policies onto them. When a person

1651
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 1: is in debt, their freedom is constrained. Now, debt and

1652
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:14,759
Speaker 1: bad credit can quickly mount into financial ruin and personal disaster.

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01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:16,519
Speaker 1: How are you going to finance a car when yours dies?

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01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 1: How are you going to get an apartment? And for

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01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:21,200
Speaker 1: those who are already behind financially, a low credit score

1656
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 1: means you will be plant paying brutally high interest rates,

1657
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 1: helping to feed a cycle where you just get further

1658
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 1: and further behind. So what is causing this regional crisis

1659
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 1: of debt and of bad credit? Let me show you

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01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 1: another map that is going to make it pretty clear.

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Speaker 1: This one is too, also courtesy of the Washington Post here,

1662
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 1: and it's a map of medical debt. According to credit

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01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:44,679
Speaker 1: data from the Urban Institute that's quoted in this article,

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Speaker 1: ninety two of the one hundred counties with the highest

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01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 1: share of adults struggling with medical debt, they're all in

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01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:54,320
Speaker 1: the South. The remainder are neighboring states Oklahoma and Missouri. Now,

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01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:56,639
Speaker 1: when you think about it, it makes total sense. Medical

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01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 1: debt is the number one cause of bankruptcy in America,

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01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:01,880
Speaker 1: and the total size this crushing debt burden, it's actually

1670
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:05,240
Speaker 1: even bigger than we had previously imagined. Recent research found

1671
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:07,639
Speaker 1: that one hundred and forty billion dollars in medical debt

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Speaker 1: is now in collections. That's nearly double previous estimates from

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01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:14,280
Speaker 1: back in twenty sixteen. Between twenty nine and twenty twenty,

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01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 1: medical debt actually became the single largest source of debt

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01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 1: that is currently held by collections agencies. Now, I once

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01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 1: you understand other wealthy nations would look at this as

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01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 1: utter insanity, at a moral atrocity, because it is we

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01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 1: ruin people, We destroy their lives because they happen to

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01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:33,799
Speaker 1: get sick. And there's a very specific reason why Southern

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Speaker 1: states are the ones with the highest levels of medical

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01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 1: debt and the worst attendant credit scores. It's not an accident.

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01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 1: It's not about overall poverty. It is a specific political choice.

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Speaker 1: These are the states where governors decided they would rather

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01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 1: virtue signal about how much they hate Obama than expand

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01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:53,599
Speaker 1: Medicaid as part of the Affordable Care Act. Now, look,

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01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 1: I am not a big fan of Obamacare, as that

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Speaker 1: left the statusquo system largely unchanged, with health and jurors, hospitals,

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Speaker 1: every other part of the crop for profit healthcare system

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Speaker 1: feeding like pigs at the trough while patients continue to

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Speaker 1: get screwed. But Obamacare was an improvement over the previous corrupt,

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Speaker 1: discussing and moral system. And now, after having been law

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Speaker 1: for over a decade, states that went forward with the

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Speaker 1: full medicaid expansion have significantly separated from states that did

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Speaker 1: not on that metric of medical debt. According to The

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Speaker 1: New York Times, the states that have declined to expand medicaid,

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Speaker 1: particularly in the South, started out having more medical debt

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Speaker 1: before Obamacare passed, and since other states have expanded Medicaid,

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Speaker 1: that chasm has grown wider. In twenty twenty, americans living

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Speaker 1: in states that did not expand medicaid owed an average

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Speaker 1: of three hundred and seventy five dollars more than those

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Speaker 1: in states that participated in the program. That is roughly

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Speaker 1: a thirty percent increase from the gap that existed the

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Speaker 1: year before enactment. Now you could see on that chart,

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Speaker 1: how the sooner you expanded medicaid to cover working class people,

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Speaker 1: the better as a state you're faring on medical debt.

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Speaker 1: But let's not forget the existence of such a chart

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Speaker 1: at all is a total failure. It's not just in

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Speaker 1: the South where politicians have made political choices that have

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Speaker 1: miserated their constituents. It's the entire nation debt and the

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Speaker 1: poor credit scores that come along with it are real

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Speaker 1: constraints on freedom and the ability to pursue happiness. We

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Speaker 1: all deserve the freedom to go to the doctor when

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Speaker 1: we need to, to be able to take off work

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Speaker 1: to recover, and to not have our lives ruined because

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Speaker 1: we happen to get sick. Nearly everyone accepts this, yet

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Speaker 1: nothing changes, not because we can't make other choices, but

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01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:30,120
Speaker 1: because political elites, bankrolled by those who profit off the

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Speaker 1: current system, do everything in their power to block change

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Speaker 1: and convince you that it's all impossible. These regional disparities

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Speaker 1: highlighted so graphically on that map, they are a sharp

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01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 1: reminder that we are not just powerless as a nation

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Speaker 1: to improve the condition of our people's lives. Different policy

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Speaker 1: choices lead to starkly measurably different outcomes. And the different

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Speaker 1: outcome I want to see is zero medical debt for

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Speaker 1: anyone anywhere. And I thought this was really fascinating. I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have put the pieces together, oh, I asked, And

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Speaker 1: if you want to hear my reaction to Christ's monologue

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Speaker 1: great having you back, Soger, thank you, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for holding down the ford. Emily did a fantastic job.

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Speaker 1: I really did, sir. I miss being here on the show.

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Speaker 1: I gotta say it. It's like it's like your baby

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Speaker 1: that you're like, oh man, he was so like five am.

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Speaker 1: I was like, cover this, take this out. Yeah. Making

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Speaker 1: sure you guys were all amazing. Thank you all so

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01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 1: much for your support and for everything. I'm really glad

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Speaker 1: that we have counterpoints, you know, that we can lean on,

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Speaker 1: and we've got great partner content continuing for the weekend. Spencer,

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Speaker 1: by the way, doing a fantastic job. We're gonna have

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Speaker 1: him and talk to him on the show. I really

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Speaker 1: enjoyed his latest video. It's always a privilege developments for

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Speaker 1: moving on the studio, on the logo, on all the

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Speaker 1: new developments. Will reveal all of that to you as

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Speaker 1: soon as we can. But it's great to be back.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna hit the ground running. Twenty twenty four is

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Speaker 1: finally here. Things are heating up. It's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: hell of a lot of fun and it's always a

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Speaker 1: privilege to do it with you and with everybody who

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Speaker 1: is here. So we love you and we will see

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Speaker 1: you all later