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Speaker 1: Week ten preview, and again we are joined by the Man,

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Speaker 1: the Memph, the legend, John Wilner. He is the man

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Speaker 1: who writes the will um the Pack twelve hotline part

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Speaker 1: of the Bay Area news groups send kated by so

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Speaker 1: many places. And if you are an Oregon fan, then um,

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Speaker 1: i kid um you guys, I'm George Rice Stir, He's

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Speaker 1: Ralph Amason and this is John Wilner as well. With

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Speaker 1: the Pack twelve Apostles, you guys can always hit us

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Speaker 1: up eight two nine, three, seven, five four seven, um

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Speaker 1: I am am a d at Unafraid show dot com. So, um, John,

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Speaker 1: him out before the fifteenth of January. Well, I'm wondering, See,

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Speaker 1: I think that they should keep him if he wins out,

429
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: because they have a strung. They're building a good recruiting

430
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: class this year UM and they may actually have a

431
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: kid flip to them from Stanford pretty soon. And if Chip,

432
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: because Chip Kelly, I feel confident with him in the offense,

433
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 1: but they need to I mean, I hate to say it.

434
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 1: I know it's Chip, Chip's boy, but Jerry as Naro

435
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: that there has to be a change on the defensive side,

436
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: like he's got to bring in a bona fide defensive

437
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: guy to run his defense. Yeah, I think that's fair.

438
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 1: I Jerry as an Arrow, you and I talked about

439
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: when he first started this podcast two years ago, George,

440
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: that that we we have to evolve past needing a

441
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,959
Speaker 1: security blanket, as as a head coach, needing somebody in

442
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: there who is just going to be your friend. You know,

443
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: whether that was Keith Patterson with Todd Graham, you know

444
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: which which the relationship between those two caused plenty of

445
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: um strife for Arizona State as a program because Keith

446
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: Patterson was there as defensive coordinator but was really only

447
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: doing it in name only and was only there because

448
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: he'd been with Todd Graham at several other stops. You

449
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: got Marvin Lewis there with with with with her medwords

450
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: to make him feel a little bit more comfortable, like

451
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: these are these are grown men. You shouldn't need somebody

452
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: there for you, um that you just get along with

453
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: so that you enjoy your five plus million dollar annual

454
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: salary more and aren't overly stressed out. Like if Jerry

455
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: as an Arrow is adding to what U c l

456
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: A Is doing, he should be there. If not, he

457
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: should not. We had this discuss and two years ago

458
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: it remains true. Now he has no sort of accessibility

459
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: or accountability within the program. Um will Er, was it

460
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: was it you that said that, like, if Ben Bolch

461
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: is writing a column in the l A Times lighting

462
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: you up, then it probably means your time is coming

463
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: to an end. I mean, you know if as a

464
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: beat form repeat reporter like Ben in fact I cover

465
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: U c l A years ago, I mean that was

466
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 1: a really strong column and you gotta probably feel like

467
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: you got there's a good chance of coach is gonna

468
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: get fired write that column, because otherwise you've got to

469
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: have no relationship with him the next season. So that

470
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: kind of uh, that was kind of the clue I

471
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: took away from that is that they think down there

472
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: that the change is going to be made. And don't

473
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: forget there's a new athletic director, right Martin Martin German.

474
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: Martin German. Martin German doesn't follow very many people on

475
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: social media, but he follows Ben Bolch. You know he

476
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: saw the column. Yeah, he's like when he's an Ohio

477
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: State guy. He and he's that he said football will

478
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: win here at U c l A no matter what.

479
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: So yo, he's he's got the basketball program fixed. Well,

480
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: actually know what, Well he didn't actually get get get

481
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: the basketball game. I mean he may have been involved

482
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: in the higher on some some level, but the basketball

483
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: program is fixed. Now you gotta fix the football program. Um.

484
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: But we had a bunch of games this last week

485
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: and we'll go through them, starting with the Arizona USC game. Um,

486
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: you had USC win forty one to thirty nine. Um, yeah,

487
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: how do we do on this game? Ralph? Well, we

488
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: all picked USC so poorly, we said, I think John

489
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: John Wilner talked me into saying that Drake London was

490
00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: gonna outscore Arizona by himself. My it happened. Yeah, that's true.

491
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Now I'm sad. Yes, because Drake Drake

492
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: London is out for the season now, at least at

493
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: least the rest of the regular season with a broken ankle,

494
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: and and you have to assume he would not play

495
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: in a ballgame because he's going in the draft, because

496
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: he's going in the first round. Um, what what did

497
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: you guys make of this? Because it was forty one

498
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: to thirty four and they were getting an onside kick

499
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: too like this. I was like, if if Arizona wins

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00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: this this game, they may fire Dante Williams as an

501
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: interim head coach. Can you get fired as an interim

502
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: head coach? That's a hell of a question. I have. No,

503
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: I haven't heard of an interim getting fired, but it's

504
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: probably happened somewhere, probably in the sec um. Yeah, you know,

505
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: I thought the Arizona played with a lot of a

506
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: lot of grit right in the past, once they got down,

507
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: they have had a hard time stopping the snowball. But

508
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: this time they were down I think one, and they rallied,

509
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: So that was that was progress. I think last week

510
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: I talked about the fact that like statistically offensively, you

511
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: look at some of the things that USC is doing

512
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: as a team, and then you'll look at the final

513
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: score and you wonder, how the hell do these two things? Uh,

514
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: how do they coexist? Right? And USC had three yards passing,

515
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: four touchdowns, only one interception, Kyante Ingram had over two

516
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: hundred yards rushing by himself, and they only beat a

517
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: team that hasn't won in two years by seven at home?

518
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: How is that even possible? On a defense that is

519
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: full of five star talent, in which like Drake Jackson

520
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: isn't even getting on the field anymore, Like Drake Jackson

521
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: is getting under twenty snaps a game, which or not

522
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: not Drake Jackson? Um who is the most recent five

523
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: star defensive linement Corey four the y Yeah, so it's

524
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: Corey Foreman that's not playing, and so you have, I mean,

525
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: the the talent on this defense is ridiculous. Chris Steele

526
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: continues to get beat Um Slade Mattoa continues to get beat.

527
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: Isaiah Polamu is not improving on who he was as

528
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: a sophomore. It's oh my gosh, it's just and Corey

529
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: Foreman is not even playing. What are you supposed to

530
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: do with this defense that gives up thirty four to

531
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: a team whose highest total output before this was nineteen

532
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: points against Northern Arizona University, and they play world They

533
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: play much worse at home too. Yep. Um. Now on

534
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: to the Washington State Arizona game. Washington State won thirty

535
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: four to twenty one. This game, it was twenty seven

536
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: at halftime. This was not particularly close at all. I

537
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: mean Arizona State they ended up um with Jayden Daniels

538
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: through two interceptions you had, um, they lost three fumbles.

539
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: What did you make what? What did you make out

540
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: of this game? John? I mean, Arizona State is very fragile, right,

541
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: I mean that was a complete no show after a

542
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: by after a loss. I mean, of all times, you'd

543
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:30,479
Speaker 1: think that they would be focused. Uh, but you know,

544
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on down there. It's gonna

545
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: be real interesting to see how this whole thing finishes

546
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: because it could get much worse. Right, They could stabilize

547
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: or it could just unraveled completely. Are the Wills falling off?

548
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: Is the question? Yeah? Yeah? I mean you look at

549
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: outscore nothing in the second half of Utah and then

550
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: what in the first half against Washington State. Man, that

551
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: is something else. John, I saw some Arizona State fans

552
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: that seemed to be upset with the with with with

553
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: something that you had recently written, calling, um, what the

554
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that Arizona State is accused of

555
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: that might be causing some of these lapses in focus,

556
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: uh and and leading to them under performing. Um. I

557
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: think you used the word deplorable and there are some

558
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: a s U fans that were that were mad. Uh.

559
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: Can you explain what you mean, uh, like specifically about

560
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: the seriousness of the allegations against Arizona State. Well, I

561
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: mean it's not like good old fashioned cheating. It's not

562
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 1: you know, it's it was violating uh, you know, public

563
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: trust and public health orders in a pandemic that places

564
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 1: people that undue risk. It was sticking their their finger

565
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: in the face of rules adopted by the NC double

566
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: A and by the PAC twelve that we're designed to

567
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: keep people safe and to contain the spread. And they

568
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: just didn't seem to care. So oh, I mean that

569
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: to me, that's where it's next level stuff, is that

570
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: it's about public health and not about just you know,

571
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: buying players, right, you can buying players happens all the time.

572
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: That's that's you know, that's one thing. But what they

573
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: were doing I think was was something else completely outside

574
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: of and and outside of any of that. If a

575
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: story came out in which part of the details were

576
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: a member of the coaching staff stole the quarterbacks mother's

577
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: credit card in order to cheat, would that not be

578
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: a deplorable action? I mean that that's the part. That's

579
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: the part that I keep zeroing in on that it

580
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like a lot of people want to talk about,

581
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: is that someone, according to the quarterbacks mother, took her

582
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: credit card and bought recruits airline tickets with it. You

583
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: think that's true, Well, that's just it. All we can

584
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: go off of is the fact saying I don't think

585
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 1: it's true. I don't think it's true. That seems freaking unreasonable. Okay,

586
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: but the claim exists. The claim exists. That so uh.

587
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: Regina Jackson, Jane Daniel's mother, spoke to Pete Dammel confirmed

588
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: the credit card charges four flights. She confirmed them, and

589
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: she also said that she reported it to the credit

590
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: card company as fraud. So, George, what you're saying is

591
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: she the quarterback's mother admitted to credit card fraud. But

592
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: what she's claiming is that someone committed credit card fraud,

593
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: which she has already reported. That's the most serious thing

594
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: that nobody is zeroing in on. Like a literal crime occurred,

595
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: which party committed the crime can be up for debate,

596
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: but in actually, how many recruiting situations do you get

597
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: into where someone committed a crime? And that's that's the

598
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: and and no one, nobody wants to talk about that

599
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: at part of it is that we have an admitted

600
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: crime that took place. It might be relatively victimless, but

601
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: it's still illegal. That doesn't come up very often. But

602
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 1: regardless of all that, Washington State looked really, really good. George,

603
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: are you scared of them? Now? I'm I'm still going

604
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 1: to pay attention to that because nobody believes her so exactly. Bingo,

605
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 1: um okay, am I afraid of Washington State? Yes it's

606
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: on it's at seven thirty next week, but but first

607
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: we got to get through to Washington game. But yes,

608
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 1: Washington State, even though it's an audsin scares me because

609
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: it's pack twelve after dark? Can we play it? I

610
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: would be fine if all of the rest of Oregon

611
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: games where at nine o'clock in the morning, and I

612
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: hate that the idea of nine o'clock games. But when

613
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: when they played against Ohio, say it was cool, I

614
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: got the whole rest of the day to be okay. Um,

615
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: now we got Oregon's State at CAL. I did not

616
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: expect this at all. Oregon State Cow thirty nine? When

617
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: did Cow start scoring thirty nine points? Like? I think

618
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: that they exposed a what people already knew was that

619
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: Excuse me, that was that Oregon States defense is not

620
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: that good and if you can slow down their running

621
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 1: game at all and forced Chance Nolan to pass the ball,

622
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: they cannot beat you. But we talked about last week.

623
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: It's hard. Though we talked about last week Cal moving

624
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: the ball and just not scoring. It seems like they

625
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: solved that, at least for the for the time being.

626
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: I mean, Oregon State is doing a lot with a

627
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: little bit of talent. The scheme wasn't close, though we

628
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: can't pretend that it was close. Chance Nolan hasn't looked

629
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: very good since he went up against USC, But a

630
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: big part of a lot of quarterbacks looking good this

631
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: year is the game in which they played USC and

632
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: the game in which they played USC alone. Like that's

633
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 1: a real phenomenon that has been happening for almost every

634
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: Pack twelve team. A team will play Oregon or a

635
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: team will play USC, and we'll say, oh, is this quarterback?

636
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,919
Speaker 1: For really it happened with Will Plumber this week. People

637
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: are like, Oh, were we wrong about Will Plumber this

638
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 1: whole time? No, you were not. You were not wrong

639
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: about Chancenel and you're not wrong about anybody. It's that

640
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: Oregon State can't do anything about the forward It's like

641
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: Oregon or USC's defense just learned what the forward pass

642
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: is and they're still like trying to figure out what

643
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: they need to do, uh, to adapt to the forward pass.

644
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: But other other than that, like Cal Cal actually put

645
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 1: the ball in the end zone. That's the biggest difference

646
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 1: between who Cal was last week and who they are

647
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: this week is that they only had to kick one

648
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: field goal. Like, when you have more extra points than

649
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: you do field goal attempts, you're probably gonna be in

650
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: a good place. And that doesn't happen for Cal very often.

651
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: And so um, the next game up we have. We

652
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,919
Speaker 1: had Washington at Stanford, which was the ultimate rock fight

653
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: of rock fights, Like like you had I mean this

654
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 1: was three, four, five, six, six field goals in a game.

655
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: Six field goals in a game. Uh, this game could

656
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: not have been uh, John, this game almost made me

657
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: hate watching football. Oh boy. I mean, how many times

658
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: do you see a team win a conference road game

659
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: when they don't score a touchdown for fifty nine minutes? Right?

660
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: I mean it was I couldn't it was what it

661
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: was not pleasant. What did you make of how Washington

662
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: even try to like go win the game? I mean

663
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 1: I thought you could argue that last drive was their

664
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: best drive in the whole season, right, you know, you

665
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: had the pastor McMillan, you had Morris on the keeper. Uh,

666
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 1: there was a little bit more creativity out of necessity

667
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: than they typically show. Um. I mean it was just

668
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: a it was not a pleasant football game to watch.

669
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 1: I agree with you, but Stanford is not very good.

670
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: Stanford is not very good. And it's it's amazing that,

671
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: you know, Stanford is now lost at home to uh

672
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: uh Washington and to u C. L A. And yet

673
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: they beat Oregon. That that Oregon loss, this is kind

674
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: of back to playoff a little bit. But that could

675
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: be a bad loss for the Ducks and that could

676
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 1: end up hurting them in the playoff debate too. If

677
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,720
Speaker 1: Stanford ends up three and nine or four and eight

678
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: could be problematic for Oregon. They need they need Stanford

679
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: to win. I think that if I'm if I'm not

680
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: mistake in Drake London goes down for the season with

681
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: three less touchdowns than Washington has as a team this year.

682
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: That's good stat Drake London had seven touchdowns and the

683
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: University of Washington has ten total. So that's that this

684
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: is not going well. They gotta they gotta figure the

685
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: hose case, have got to get the ball to their playmakers.

686
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: It's like they are incapable of that. Don't want to

687
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 1: do it. He wants to. He wants to play football

688
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: like like uh, like Stanford is playing football except for

689
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: intellectual brutality. Is broken. It's dead. You cannot play football

690
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: like that and win anymore, Mike, at a very high level,

691
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: you cannot do it. If Nick Saban can't do it,

692
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 1: nobody can do it. And he's got the most talent

693
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: in the country, Like Jimmy Jimmy like dude. He's going

694
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: to do just good enough to not get fired for

695
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: the next two years. But Washington, with their recruiting classes.

696
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: Then they're gonna have a deficit of talent, which is

697
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: gonna be an even bigger problem. I don't know, man,

698
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: I all I know is it. It made sense to

699
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: me the first couple of years HERM Edwards was at

700
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: Arizona State to shorten games, run the ball, and play defense.

701
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: It would not make sense to me if they carried

702
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 1: that strategy into year four of trying to shorten games

703
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 1: when you've amassed more talent on average than the other

704
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: team at most every position. Washington still has a lot

705
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: of really good players on their team, and the idea

706
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: that they try to shorten these games and put themselves

707
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: in these situations where it could be one or lost

708
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: on one possession. It could do something really good for you,

709
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: like give you the opportunity to beat Stanford in the

710
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: last minute, or it can put you in a situation

711
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: where you lose the University of Montana and UM you

712
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: have uh. The other game that we had up was

713
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: UM Oregon versus Colorado. I thought that this was a

714
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: very good performance by the Ducks fifty two to twenty nine.

715
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: I don't like the last too late touchdowns, but overall

716
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: I thought it was a decent game thoughts. What are

717
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: you concerned with the late scoring. I've listened to some

718
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: people who have who have said that they they they

719
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 1: thought that Oregon squandered an opportunity two really flex um

720
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: late in the game. I don't. I don't think fourth

721
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: quarter touchdowns when you're up three, four or five scores,

722
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: I don't think they matter at all. Well. See, ordinarily,

723
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: I am a big believer in that those fourth down

724
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: that those fourth quarter late touchdowns do matter, because those

725
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: are usually players that you that would have to play

726
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 1: if you're injured at some point in point in time.

727
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 1: But for Oregon, they have been playing their their third

728
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: and four stringers and walk on since halftime basically like

729
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: they like they didn't have starters in so, you know,

730
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: like one and they're already beat up, so now you're

731
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 1: down to walk on. So that that's the only reason

732
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: why I didn't put a lot of stock in um

733
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: in that. But um, but I guess onto our pack

734
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 1: twelve power rankings for this week, Um, we did hours already,

735
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: So we have ours down, John, Are you ready with yours? Uh?

736
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: Sure thing? I don't think, I mean, it didn't really

737
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: change at this point of the year. You know, it

738
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: doesn't change all that much week to week, but except

739
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: for that number two spot, Like Ralph was saying, you know,

740
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: it's who is who are we designating as this week's loser? Yah?

741
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 1: Um alright, so, Ralph, what is your twelve through seven?

742
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: I've got Arizona at the bottom, Uh, Colorado at eleven,

743
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: Stanford at ten, Washington at nine, And I got an

744
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 1: issue a correction. I was looking at their total rushing

745
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,479
Speaker 1: touchdowns for the season, being ten, They've actually got twenty

746
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: one touchdowns this year, which shocks me. Um at number eight,

747
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: I've got USC and at number seven U c l A.

748
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:37,439
Speaker 1: I have Arizona at seven, Colorado at eleven, USC at ten,

749
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: Stanford at nine, Cal at eight, and Washington at seven.

750
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: How about you? I have got Arizona last, and I

751
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: am trying to think. I think the Arizona has been

752
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: last every week? Right you started the season? Uh, Colorado eleven,

753
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 1: Stanford ten, Cal nine, Washington an eight and then who's seven? Seven? Oh?

754
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: You you're still get given U c l A some love. Okay? Um,

755
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: all right, Ralph, you're six through one. I got Arizona

756
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 1: State at number six, Oregon State at number five at

757
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: four amazingly when they were ten last week. I've got

758
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: cal and then Washington State at three, Utah at two,

759
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: and Oregon at one, which means five My top five

760
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: teams are all on the back twelve North. No, no,

761
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 1: Utah's not Utah's night. I'm sorry. I have Arizona State

762
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: at six, Oregon State at five. Oh no, I'm sorry,

763
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: I have you. I was looking at George U c

764
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: l A at six, Arizona State at five, Oregon State

765
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: at four, Washington State at three. You taught to an

766
00:47:55,040 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 1: Oregon at one, and I've got Asu with six, Oregon

767
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: stay at five, u c l A four, Washington State three,

768
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,919
Speaker 1: Utah and then or oh so Utah is doomed this week?

769
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 1: Oh man, rest that's that's terrible, terrible for the utes.

770
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: All right, now on to week ten, um and before

771
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: we get to week ten super quickly, um Clay Helton

772
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: is now employed again. He's the new head coach at

773
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: Georgia Southern. In case you didn't miss it, Will he

774
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: be successful at Georgia Southern? What does success look like

775
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 1: at Georgia Southern? I don't know enough about enough about them.

776
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: I know that it's it's kind of a good move

777
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 1: because I think that he is from the area, or

778
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 1: at least at some point coached um in the area.

779
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: I know he spent time at Duke. I know he's

780
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: ultimately from game Pille, But I feel like I feel

781
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: like this is more his speed out around here. I

782
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: feel like it's a it's a better fit than Los Angeles, California. Yeah, yes,

783
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: totally totally agree, a lot less pressure. I think he

784
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:21,919
Speaker 1: will have some success there. What about you, John, Yeah,

785
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: I think he will. I think that's more his style,

786
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: that's more his levels, right, Uh yeah, somedult is gonna

787
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: be a good league. They're adding some teams, and you know,

788
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: it's gonna probably be better conference in uh than c USA.

789
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily Appalachian States always good, right, uh so

790
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: be a coastal Carolina. So I think it's good for him.

791
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: You know, I think he's a good guy, and that's

792
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: that's much more his level than than USC was. You know,

793
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: you can play that, they can You can line up

794
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: with an empty backfield, fourth and one at the goal line,

795
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: and nobody's gonna come playing. Nobody's gonna come a lot

796
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: of them fourth and inches with no back in the

797
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: backfield and in five five wides and and eleven men

798
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:13,919
Speaker 1: in the boxing still won't throw it, buddy. Oh but

799
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: all right, um now onto the games. Well, actually, before

800
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 1: we get to the games this week, I gotta tell

801
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: you guys how we did last week? And uh, Ralph,

802
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: how do we do terribly? I think anybody who's picking

803
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: pack twelve games did really poorly. Uh, you went one

804
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: in five against the spread. I went too and four.

805
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: I know, uh, I know the guys over at um

806
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: uh the podcast the champions went too and four. I

807
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: think this was this This week was a mess for

808
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: literally everyone. We both went four and two on the

809
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: over unders, which we've we've both had a lot of

810
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: success all year long on those. Um, but we are

811
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: we are definitely struggling against the spread here, all right,

812
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: um now Oh and we and we gotta get John's

813
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: picks in here too, buddy. Um So uh for this week,

814
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: we have another Friday night game, which I absolutely hate,

815
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: but weird things happen. So Stanford's anemic offense brings in

816
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 1: Utah on Friday night games on games on FS one,

817
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: Utah is favorite by seven and a half points on

818
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: the road, go into the Farm over under fifty four?

819
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: Who you got, Ralph? Doesn't this over under feel like

820
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: the one of the easiest of the whole year? Yes, yes,

821
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: and yes absolutely, because even like even a thirty three

822
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: to twenty game wins, and I don't it's hard for

823
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: me to imagine Stanford at this point getting twenty UM.

824
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 1: So I will take I'll go ahead and take Utah

825
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: on the under, all right, I am going to take

826
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: Utah and the under as well. I'm gonna take Utah

827
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: on the under because Tanner McKee is questionable and that

828
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: would obviously Stanford's backup, Jack West is not very good.

829
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, and Tanner has just been I too. Yeah,

830
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: and you know, they got a lot of receivers out.

831
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: I do think it's gonna be hard for them to score.

832
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 1: And I think Utah will run the ball very well,

833
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,240
Speaker 1: shorten the game, fewer chances for both teams to score,

834
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: you know, not close, but but definitely under. So we'll

835
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: have our second Bowl eligible team by the time Saturday

836
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 1: rolls around. Yeah, alright. The next game in order up,

837
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: we have Cow at Arizona. Cow is favored by twelve

838
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: points over under a fifty and a half. I think

839
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of overreaction to this game

840
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: only from one side, because I think more people probably

841
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: watched what Arizona did against USC than watched Cal this

842
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: last weekend. And if you're if you're um going with

843
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: any trend, I think it would make more sense to

844
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: go with a team that always moves the ball and

845
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: finally figure out how to get into the end zone

846
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: than a team that rarely moves the ball and got

847
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: it into the end zone against a team that gives

848
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: up a bunch of points to everybody. So I do

849
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 1: like Cal in this game, and I will go ahead

850
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:25,240
Speaker 1: and take the over. I am going to take Arizona

851
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: in this game. They keep it close, they still lose

852
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 1: at kickoff. At kickoff on Saturday, it's gonna be like

853
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: ninety degrees, bro, it is gonna be hot. Arizona is

854
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: gonna be in their white uniforms. They are going to

855
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,399
Speaker 1: go out there with a little bit of momentum and

856
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: go out and shock the world and lose by like

857
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: three points. Man, and and I got the and I

858
00:53:52,560 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: got the over at fifty and a half. Um. You know,

859
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: I think one thing to consider, not fully but partially

860
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: is you know Cal before they beat Oregon State, they

861
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: beat up on Colorado, and Colorado shut out Arizona. So, uh,

862
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: I think Cal is not gonna get unlike USC. I

863
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: think Cal's not going to give Arizona as many chances. Uh,

864
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: So I got Cal plus under. I think I think

865
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: Arizona's gonna have a a hard time scoring. Yeah, listen, I'm

866
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: not gonna let you talk me out of my pick

867
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: this week. John Um but you, but you're making the

868
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: very compelling points. Oregon State at Colorado, Oregon State's favorite

869
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: by ten and a half points in Boulder, Um, yeah,

870
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: and over under fifty four? Where you at Ralph? What's

871
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 1: the spread again? Two scores? Oh my goodness. Well, considering

872
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: everybody has done it to Colorado cently, any anybody not

873
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,879
Speaker 1: named Texas, A and M has managed to um cover,

874
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 1: it feels like I guess I gotta role with Oregon State.

875
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 1: But I don't. I don't think Colorado is gonna regress offensively.

876
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: I think they're building a little bit. I think they're

877
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: figuring out who their weapons are. Um and they've got

878
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: a little bit of momentum. So I will take Oregon State,

879
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna jump on that over as well. I'm

880
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: right along with your Ralph Oregon State and the over.

881
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: This feels like a game. Yeah, Colorado is bad. I

882
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: think they put up a fight. But Oregon State they

883
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: want this like they want to be Bowl eligible. They

884
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: want the game against Oregon to really really matter with

885
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,959
Speaker 1: a possible trip to the Rolls Bowl on the line,

886
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: so they're gonna come out play hard. Yeah. It given

887
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: Oregon States the way their defense is played on the road,

888
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: it seems like Colorado has got a decent chance to

889
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: score some points. And I don't think Nate Lammon's playing again,

890
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 1: so uh, I think it's the over. To me? Is

891
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: it better bet than the line itself? But I would

892
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: probably take Colorado and the over all. Right, Um, we

893
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: got Oregon at Washington, Oregon's favored by seven points over

894
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: under fifty one. Where you're at Ralph, Well, I think

895
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: I think the the My my initial gut instinct is

896
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 1: to just scream under Um. I think this could be uh,

897
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:39,720
Speaker 1: this game could get ugly and or or the phrase

898
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: that you like to use a rock fight. Um, but

899
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 1: I do. I am not scared of that six and

900
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: a half point line. I it could be just a

901
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 1: one score win, but I think it might be one

902
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: of those one score wins where Washington gets a score

903
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: at the end. To put it in that situation, I'm thinking,

904
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:00,399
Speaker 1: you know, four seventeen Oregon wins, so all go ahead

905
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: and take the spread as well. I got oregain in

906
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: this game, and I got the over as well. Jimmy

907
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: Lake's comments didn't didn't help Mario Cristo ball if given

908
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: the opportunity, will run the score up if possible. Um, John,

909
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: where yet? Yeah? I agree. I think that the comments

910
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: are at an interesting dynamic. The other thing is Washington's

911
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: got four wins, barely beat Stanford three and six, barely

912
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: beat Cal three and six, Arkansas States terrible, and it

913
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: barely beat Arizona, which is winless. Then they haven't been anybody.

914
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: And Oregon we've seen multiple times they play well when

915
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: they feel threatened, when they feel like it's a big game,

916
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: you know, when they're not bored. And I don't think

917
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: they're gonna be bored. So I kind of like, uh,

918
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: what do you say? Yep, you know, I'm kind of

919
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: thinking Oregon, Uh, Oregon and the under. I don't know

920
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: that the Huskies are gonna score much. M I like

921
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: that take out of you, John, all Right, the last

922
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: game of the day USC at Arizona State. Arizona State

923
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: is favored by eight and a hook and over under

924
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: fifty nine and a half. Where yet, Ralph, this is

925
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: the ultimate. Uh. There's a Mike Ditka quote that says,

926
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: effort without talent is a depressing situation, but talent without

927
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: effort is a tragedy. Um. This is the This is

928
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:36,439
Speaker 1: the ultimate tragic matchup of the of the pack twelveth South.

929
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: Both of these teams should be a lot better than

930
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: they are. I don't know who's gonna get the majority

931
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: of the snaps at quarterback for USC. I do know

932
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: that Keaton Slovis is five and oh against the Arizona

933
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: schools that didn't offer him in his college career, and

934
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: this is probably his last opportunity to go out and

935
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: becomes six and oh. He had to comeback win against

936
00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: Arizona State last year. Uh. And this is also Jaden

937
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: daniels Um best opportunity to finally get a win against

938
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: the team that didn't offer him in USC. UH. So

939
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: there is some interesting storylines here. I don't really know

940
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: what to I. I don't feel good about the two

941
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: score spread, so I'll say that I think that USC

942
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: will cover, and I do think that there's gonna be

943
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: a lot of points, but ultimately I do think Arizona

944
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: State finds a way to win this game. Yeah, they

945
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: always play well, I mean they had they didn't beat

946
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: SC last year, but the issue usually plays well against

947
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: the Trojans because all those Southern California kids kind of

948
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 1: get real up up to the game. So I kind

949
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: of like a s U. I think that there's gonna

950
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: be like in a in a broader scale downturn in

951
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: the second half of the season. This is gonna be

952
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: like the one shining moment for the Sun Devils before

953
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: they go up to the Pacific Northwest and get beat twice. Um,

954
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: So I kind of like, uh, I kind of like

955
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: a SU. And how about the over under fifty nine

956
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: and a half. That's a lot of points, but you

957
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: gotta figure there's gonna be a bunch of turnovers and

958
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a bunch of fifteen yard personal foul penalties.

959
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: I probably over. I mean, I'm thinking like it's something

960
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 1: like that, and I like the over as well, except

961
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: I'm riding with the Trojans. Dude, They're like a wounded dog.

962
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: They they they they've lost Drake London. They got nothing

963
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: to play for. They're trying to make a bowl game.

964
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: Dante's fighting for its coach in life. Yeah, they're a

965
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: wounded dog, but the wound is in the mouth. They don't.

966
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: They have no teeth. They're toothless. That's funny. Too bad

967
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: they don't have an over under on the penalties and

968
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: turnovers in this gamp. Oh my gosh, could we set

969
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: one at like nineteen? There we go, that's accepted penalties

970
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: over under nineteen is a good number. Nineteens are really

971
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: high number, but they average if you add that, they're

972
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 1: both like basically at nine per game. Okay, well, I'll

973
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: root for the ugliness. Let's go with the over over

974
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: nineteen accepted patties. Oh, I'll accept that as well. I

975
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 1: will take the over on that as well. This is

976
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: gonna be two teams that are just yeah, just bad man. Um. Well,

977
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: uh yeah, So when we will see how many Bowl

978
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: eligible teams there are next week? All right, you guys,

979
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: there could be as many as four. How do you

980
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: how many do you think they'll be? So we can

981
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: have as many as four I'm based on your picks. George,

982
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: you're saying three, yes, I'll say four. John. You you

983
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: had Utah right, you had Utah winning and a SU winning.

984
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: So that's three. And then who is the other one?

985
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: Would have been Oregon State Colorado yep. Okay, so we

986
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: both have flour Georgia on three. We'll see yep. Alright,

987
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: um you guys, this is the pack twelve Apostles. I'm

988
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: George Rice Stir, He's Ralph Amston and he's John Wilner.

989
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: All right, thank you guys, peace out, Catch you guys

990
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: next week.