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Speaker 1: Novel.

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Speaker 2: Hey listener, In this episode, we'll be talking about acts

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Speaker 2: of violence and murder, as well as the loss of

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Speaker 2: a child. After the second break, there's one particular scene

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Speaker 2: of extremely intense emotional distress which you may find hard

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Speaker 2: to listen to, but at the same time we get

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Speaker 2: to see doctor Mindy Shapiro reconnect with her New York roots.

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Speaker 3: If you feel.

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Speaker 2: Impacted by any of the themes while listening, I encourage

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Speaker 2: you to check out our charity partner, DNA DOE Project.

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Speaker 2: They work with law enforcement to identify Jane and John does.

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Speaker 2: They use genetic genealogy in the hopes of reuniting the

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Speaker 2: bodies of unidentified people with their families. You can find

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Speaker 2: them at DNADO project dot org. And you guessed it.

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Speaker 2: You're probably going to hear a few swears too, so

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Speaker 2: sue me. I've got a dirty mouth. Before we get started.

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Speaker 2: There's something doctor Mindy Shapiro, my good friend and our

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Speaker 2: lead investigator, would like to be formally struck from the record.

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Speaker 2: At one point in season one, when she was deep

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Speaker 2: into her obsession with Gail's case, I described her in

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Speaker 2: a way that she was well, not real happy with.

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Speaker 1: A dog with the bone not.

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Speaker 4: I'm still angry about the dog with her bone, and

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to get over it.

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Speaker 5: Why would you.

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Speaker 1: Take offense for a dog with the bone.

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Speaker 4: It just gives me the image of this little white

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Speaker 4: terrier biting the ankle of some pants leg of some

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Speaker 3: Just trying to kick me off. That's why.

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Speaker 2: So, Mindy, let me say this, hand on heart. I

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Speaker 2: apologize for referring to you this way, but I think

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Speaker 2: you would agree.

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Speaker 3: Though, that you were a little obsessive. And don't get

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Speaker 3: me wrong, that's what we love about you.

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Speaker 2: It's that very quality that makes you such a great

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Speaker 2: amateur detective. Instead, I'll just describe you as you truly are,

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Speaker 2: my unsquashable, tenacious, and relentless friend, Mindy fucking Shapiro. Doctor,

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Speaker 2: Mindy fucking Shapiro, doctor Detective, Mindy fucking Shapiro. I know

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Speaker 2: there's no mystery, medical or otherwise that she can't solve.

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Speaker 5: I like a puzzle about the puzzle.

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Speaker 3: I make puzzles.

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Speaker 6: Wait, they don't.

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Speaker 2: Said, but this thirty five year mystery of our lost

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Speaker 2: sister's identity. It's her biggest and most important puzzle yet.

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Speaker 2: If she's gonna bust this case wide open, like I

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Speaker 2: know she can. This New York broad is gonna need

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Speaker 2: to kick down doors and find the answers no one

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Speaker 2: else could. Okay, Okay, I'm sorry that was the last

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Speaker 2: dog joke.

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Speaker 3: I promise.

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Speaker 2: I'm Carol Fisher and from the teams at Novel and

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Speaker 2: iHeart Podcasts. You're listening to The girlfriends Our Lost Sister,

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Speaker 2: Episode two, Mindy Goes Undercover.

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Speaker 1: Got you.

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Speaker 3: T t to speak with the librarian. We're helping you

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Speaker 3: get some research.

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Speaker 6: Great a welcome, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 2: When I first met Mindy in Las Vegas thirty something

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Speaker 2: years ago, she'd only just moved from the East Coast,

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Speaker 2: and you could tell. I mean, she was fast talking,

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Speaker 2: minute we spend in New York investigating the case of

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Speaker 2: our lost sister, I can see that old East Coast

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Speaker 3: For crying out loud.

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Speaker 2: This woman is sixty seven years of age. But who

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Speaker 1: It's a very ostentatious library. They didn't need to make it.

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Speaker 4: This prect you know, they renovated it a while ago.

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Speaker 2: Libraries are often described as one of the last bastions

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Speaker 2: So it feels like a good place to start our

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Speaker 2: So if we're struggling to get answers, what kind of

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Speaker 2: maybe this could explain why our Jane Do has gone

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Speaker 6: Okay, are you ready for the query of the day?

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Speaker 3: Right, I'm not sure? You better sit down.

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Speaker 4: I am interested in fundamentally two things. Is a torso

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Speaker 3: The next thing is.

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Speaker 4: I would like any and all information on the psychopathology

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Speaker 2: The librarians on the other side of the desk shoot

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Speaker 4: Right, you know, I look like clearly someone who was investigating.

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Speaker 3: Do I look like all murders in the building?

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Speaker 4: Do I have that vague resemblance to Suna, no miss thanks,

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Speaker 2: But unfortunately, not only does Mindy struggle to get a

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Speaker 2: In fact, she and Anna aren't making much progress in

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Speaker 2: the time when the torso was discovered on Staten Island.

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Speaker 3: So we decide, fuck it.

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Speaker 2: Why don't we just turn up at Staten Island Police

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Speaker 2: The one hundred and twenty first Precinct in Staten Island

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Speaker 3: It's intimidating.

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Speaker 2: We stagger up the stairs and we go through the

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Speaker 6: What's happening at.

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Speaker 3: Typical?

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Speaker 2: Mindy charges ahead while I hide behind producer Anna, who's

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Speaker 3: It's all very covert.

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Speaker 2: When we get to the front desk, we're greeted by

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Speaker 4: Interested in if I can get some old record it's

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Speaker 7: What kind of records?

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Speaker 2: At first, understandably he doesn't know what to make of

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Speaker 3: He seems pretty suspicious.

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Speaker 2: Luckily, we've got Mindy's New York charm to win him over.

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Speaker 4: And could you just jimmy one huge phavor because I

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Speaker 4: grew up in New York. Could you say perpetrator for me?

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Speaker 3: Perpetrator.

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Speaker 2: But we're here on business, so we asked the officer

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Speaker 8: When you find some baits here, let's say how far.

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Speaker 5: We go from?

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Speaker 2: But it doesn't go very far. When he types our

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Speaker 2: But the suite officer, he does give us something.

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Speaker 8: Let me search for a cold case health album.

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Speaker 2: A phone number that we can call for information on

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Speaker 6: Do you think that records?

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Speaker 2: So it's looking like we won't quite get what we

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Speaker 1: I'm from England's okay, not live England.

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Speaker 10: I'll never visited, but I always wanted as a teenager,

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Speaker 9: Now I'm in my forties, I'm a grandfather.

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Speaker 4: Wow, you're a young Congratulations muscle us.

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Speaker 2: It seems we've garnered all the information we can and

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Speaker 2: Mindy's also got her eye on an iconic Staten Island

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Speaker 7: We got a number that we haven't had with goal,

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Speaker 2: We jump in a taxi and have barely got our

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Speaker 3: Please goal again, goodbye.

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Speaker 2: Of course not that would be too easy. We keep trying, though,

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Speaker 2: But when we eventually get through, it turns out that

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Speaker 2: I mean, can we catch a goddamn break? We still

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Speaker 2: don't give up. Mindy is soldiering on, unperturbed. Through some digging,

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Speaker 2: she manages to find the correct number. But dear listener,

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Speaker 1: Or more ontion.

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Speaker 4: Hi, my name is Mindy Shapiro, and I am calling

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Speaker 4: about a cold case from nineteen eighty nine.

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Speaker 2: If you're exasperated just listening to this, imagine how we feel.

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Speaker 2: It's like we're constantly hitting a wall, being sent around

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Speaker 3: Maybe we need some advice.

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Speaker 2: From someone who's actually solved a cold case, and not

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Speaker 1: Hi. Wo you good, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Anna just arrived at the office of Dan Bibb. He's

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Speaker 2: Prosecutor who put my ex Bob Bernbaum away for twenty

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Speaker 3: You already know that Mindy has put.

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Speaker 11: Fifth of December twenty twenty two. Hither, I'm a journalist

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Speaker 11: Ninth of January twenty twenty four, did happy New Year again?

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Speaker 11: I'm writing to let you know that it has now

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Speaker 8: At the age of sixteen, I was busy swooning over boys.

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Speaker 2: In fact, that was the first year I fell in love,

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Speaker 3: At sixteen, she.

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Speaker 2: Was busy lining herself up to get into a good

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Speaker 3: You just can't make this shit up.

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Speaker 5: I would get on the bus from my parents' apartment

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Speaker 2: And now, about fifty years later, Mindy's back at her

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Speaker 4: Hi, it's tact to Shapiro, and I'd like to speak

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Speaker 9: Oh, thank you.

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Speaker 3: To get us in the door.

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Speaker 2: And because we're getting kind of desperate here, we've decided

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Speaker 4: I worked here a billion years ago, and the entries good.

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Speaker 10: Never change.

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Speaker 2: Mindy's asking to meet with the deputy medical Examiner, not

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Speaker 7: Oh well wait, we've been waiting for over a year already,

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Speaker 3: But it's nerve wracking.

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Speaker 2: For the first time, we're coming face to face with

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Speaker 2: it's not just that so much has happened under this roof.

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Speaker 2: It was in this very same building where Elaine was

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Speaker 2: Then the strange silence is punctured by a woman a

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Speaker 3: Piece somebody, identify somebody. She has just identified the body

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Speaker 2: After a tense minute, the whales draw closer. The woman

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Speaker 2: out of respect for such an intimate moment. But all

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Speaker 3: To go through.

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Speaker 2: And yet here's she is, in the lobby of an

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Speaker 6: And that's why we're doing this. It's horrible.

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Speaker 1: It's horrible.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's hard enough for me watching you with

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Speaker 10: But this is all normal for you. But it's not normal,

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Speaker 10: you know it. Yes, it is. It is very very normal.

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Speaker 4: And they are experiences that you hope you never have,

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Speaker 4: or if you have them, you only want them once

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Speaker 6: Talk about them. And what makes them tell is that

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Speaker 4: They're just not discussed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as much as that was a tough thing to

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Speaker 3: Our Jane Doe.

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Speaker 2: Get of a mother out there who hasn't even been

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Speaker 2: walks out of some heavy double doors. Anna and Mindy

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Speaker 4: I'm a physician, I retired, and I'm here on actually

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Speaker 6: Of mercy for a friend of mine who has.

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Speaker 4: Had a remote tragedy.

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Speaker 6: Nineteen eighty nine, and I'm trying.

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Speaker 3: To get some closure the case for her.

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Speaker 2: Basically in nineteen eighty five, Mindy runs through the whole

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Speaker 4: You have like case number yes, yes, the Emmy case

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Speaker 5: The oh, okay, we have someone like our anthropologists probably

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Speaker 4: At three o'clock.

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Speaker 5: If you want to leave your contact information with me. Otherwise,

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Speaker 4: I can't promise anything's going to happen if you do. Wait.

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Speaker 3: Mindy and Anna sit back down to wait again.

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Speaker 2: But when the deputy pushes through the doors after her

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Speaker 5: The director of anthropology is in the meeting with me,

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Speaker 1: He's aware of it and they were planning on reaching.

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Speaker 5: Out to you.

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Speaker 6: Oh, they're just finding out answers to your It's called love. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, someone is aware of it and has an anthropologists

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Speaker 1: But someone will be in.

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Speaker 4: Touch with you.

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Speaker 10: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: That Phil's good.

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Speaker 6: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks. Anna and Mindy are getting the distinct impression that

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Speaker 4: Well we waited. We got some very interesting experience out

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Speaker 10: Oh my god, I need a drink.

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Speaker 4: I'll buy you a drink and can go down here.

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Speaker 2: Spoiler alert, dear listener, we did not hear back about

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Speaker 3: So what next. Well, if you're looking to track.

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Speaker 2: Down a body, the next best place to go is

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Speaker 2: an unidentified body in New York, then you're best head

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Speaker 2: to the city's largest public burial ground, Heart Island. Coming

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Speaker 2: up next time on the girlfriends Our Lost Sister.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, wait, Oh my god.

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Speaker 11: Wait, look at what it says next to it.

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Speaker 1: Look at the day what I can't believe this.

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