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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Monday, February second, and we

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Speaker 1: have a breaking update in the search for Today's Show

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Speaker 1: host Savannah Guthrie's mom, who has gone missing in Arizona.

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Speaker 1: Police now say this was a crime. Welcome to this

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Speaker 1: episode of Amy and TJ Robe. We were just listening

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Speaker 1: to the update out there. This story has changed even

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Speaker 1: in the past hour. But Savannah Guthrie, host of the

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Speaker 1: Today Show, her mom went missing over the weekend. In

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Speaker 1: robes not giving us a lot, but they are saying

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Speaker 1: this was a crime as she did not leave on

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Speaker 1: our own.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is a chilling update. We learned Nancy Guthrie.

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Speaker 2: She's eighty four years old, and police made it very

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Speaker 2: clear that she doesn't have any mental issues. She is

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Speaker 2: sharp as attack I believe, is what they said. So

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Speaker 2: this isn't an issue of an eighty four year old

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Speaker 2: though they said she couldn't walk fifty yards on her own.

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Speaker 2: And more importantly, they say there is medication that she

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Speaker 2: needs that if she doesn't get in the next twenty

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Speaker 2: four hours, it could be fatal. So they are up

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Speaker 2: against the clock. That is disturbing, but the language they

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Speaker 2: used to describe why they have shifted their focus now

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Speaker 2: from searching for Nancy Guthrie to now investigating a crime.

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Speaker 2: That is a very dramatic and traumatic shift.

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Speaker 1: So we woke up this morning really to this news.

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Speaker 1: They say she was last seen on Saturday at nine

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Speaker 1: was at home. They leave next day they family members

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Speaker 1: started getting calls from people at they say church that

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Speaker 1: Savannah Guthrie's mom hadn't showed up as expected. So then

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Speaker 1: they go to the house, start looking for it, then

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Speaker 1: report her missing around noontime on Sunday. Now that's the

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Speaker 1: information we had. They said it was a vulnerable adult

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Speaker 1: teams out. That is the news we had this morning.

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Speaker 1: It has now changed in the past hour. Robes we

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Speaker 1: should go through now what the sheriff out there has

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Speaker 1: said and again and he is so concerned, I would

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Speaker 1: use the word beg. He is begging the public for help.

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Speaker 2: They are begging the public for help because they say

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Speaker 2: technology is going to help them solve this crime. They say,

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Speaker 2: we need to depend on technology. We need cameras, we

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Speaker 2: need anyone who had a sighting of Nancy Guthrie or

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Speaker 2: anything unusual in that neighborhood. They are asking for the

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Speaker 2: public's help. And yes, babe, it sounded like they were

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Speaker 2: begging for the public's help.

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Speaker 1: This was.

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Speaker 2: A quote that the sheriff gave that just sent chills

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Speaker 2: up and down my spine. He said, we do, in

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Speaker 2: fact have a crime scene. We do in fact have

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Speaker 2: a crime And he said, we don't see this as

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Speaker 2: And obviously the questions are, how what did you find

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Speaker 2: in Nancy Guthrie's home? What is making this so obvious

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Speaker 1: He I mean he kind of headed a little bit

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Speaker 1: I don't know. They just don't have a lot of answers,

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Speaker 1: that they are processing. And he said, they know she

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Speaker 1: did not leave on her own. What that means did

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Speaker 2: They said no, because they said she could not walk

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Speaker 2: again making it very clear that it would not dementia

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Speaker 2: of questions about why this happened, how this could have happened.

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Speaker 2: This is such a bizarre, strange story. An eighty four

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Speaker 2: What could that have possibly been?

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Speaker 1: We talked about. He was not giving a lot of details.

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Speaker 2: Because to that point this was also Look, these are

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Speaker 2: all the things you don't want to hear. If someone

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Speaker 2: She does not have her cell phone with her, she

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Speaker 2: There's no way to know where she is, how to

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Speaker 2: it's hard enough dealing with a tragedy, but not knowing

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Speaker 2: to be. I mean, the clock is ticking twenty four

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Speaker 2: curious what your take is on this, babe. The sheriff said,

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Speaker 2: So if they don't think she wandered off, if they

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Speaker 2: is cementing this fact that they've made very clear that

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Speaker 2: a crime occurred. I'm trying to create scenarios in my

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's this is what happens.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: They have to do what they have to do and

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Speaker 1: the investigation as this has now become a national story,

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Speaker 1: and so we're all chomping at the bit for information

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Speaker 1: But to hear, I guess the most important thing Robes

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Speaker 1: her safely. That's how he's talking now. So whatever is

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Speaker 1: can take out of what he said. But everything the update.

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Speaker 1: We were debating when to do this episode and waiting

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Speaker 2: It's changed because at first they weren't necessarily saying that

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Speaker 2: it was a crime scene. They said they were concerned

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Speaker 2: they have taken it to a whole new level calling

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Speaker 2: it an active crime scene. And they also said this

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Speaker 2: and this will be interesting. They do have a lot

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Speaker 2: to go through. They are reviewing video from Nancy Guthrie's home.

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Speaker 2: There were cameras inside the home. She lives by herself,

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Speaker 2: we know that much. She does have some folks who

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Speaker 2: they are doing I'm sure all of those interviews, but

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Speaker 2: surveillance people these days pretty much, Yeah, someone on your

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Speaker 1: You know, he railed against And I wrote this down

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Speaker 1: because it jumped out when he was talking about technology,

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Speaker 1: he said, license plate readers. Now he's specifically the first

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Speaker 1: It wasn't necessarily political, but he took a moment to say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: right people, these are wonderful tools. We have license plate readers.

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Speaker 1: That jumped out at me. What is he does he

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Speaker 2: Car already probably And look, this reminds me a little

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Speaker 2: but the Tepie murders. We kind of had a similar

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Speaker 1: But he says he definitely Robes is going to need

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Speaker 1: hoping she had wandered off. But they have been from

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Speaker 2: Yes, they found something, and they he even said, like

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Speaker 2: I understand you guys want details. That makes so much sense.

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Speaker 2: interesting if you think about we cover this kind of

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Speaker 2: clearly something at the home that put all of that

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Speaker 1: And we did hear from the Guthrie family, in particular

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Speaker 1: Savannah Guthrie this morning, who was, of course, as you'd imagine,

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Speaker 1: she was not on set. In fact, the sheriff did

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Speaker 1: say she has made it to Arizona and she is

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Speaker 1: her mother. But we will let you know the words

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Speaker 1: hear all right, We continue here on Amy and TJ.

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Speaker 1: Ropes with the breaking news. We were in the middle

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Speaker 1: the disappearance is now being treated as a crime. They

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Speaker 1: And this woman eighty four years old, described as eighty

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Speaker 1: And again we had two statements, I guess we got

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Speaker 1: I tholl that was interesting, he said earlier he said

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Speaker 1: We watch enough of these press conferences. He was pleading

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Speaker 2: Yeah, your heart just goes out to the Guthrie family

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Speaker 2: appreciate you listening to us. I made roboch alongside my

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Speaker 2: partner DJ Holmes. We will talk to you very soon