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Speaker 2: of course, with one of the biggest stories in southern

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Speaker 2: California today, and that's funeral services for the La County

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Speaker 2: Sheriff's deputy who was murdered back on September sixteenth as

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Speaker 2: Ryan Clink and Broomer covering this for CAFI and it

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Speaker 2: is Steve Gregory. Steve, how are you well, gentlemen, how

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Speaker 2: are you today? All right? Good? Well? What was it like?

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Speaker 1: This was a very somber event. This is one of

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Speaker 1: those assignments that I it just pains me to cover

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Speaker 1: this one. In children's funerals are the two that I

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Speaker 1: it just really gets to you because so many people

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Speaker 1: all here for one purpose, and that was to pay

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Speaker 1: their final respects to Ryan clinkin Bruomer. The funeral began

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Speaker 1: this morning at the Cathedral in downtown Los Angeles. The

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Speaker 2: And then the casket comes out and the casket's.

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Speaker 1: Already draped with this large American flag, and then the

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Speaker 1: So it was it was a long event, and it

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Speaker 1: And then this was something that was interesting between Ryan Clinkinbruomer,

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Speaker 1: I mean Alex Vianueva when he was sheriff, he successfully

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Speaker 2: I don't see the obvious hook.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's blind. That's what I've been told. Everything they

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Speaker 1: A lot of what I was told at school as well,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, again, what Gascone says, he's going for his life

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Speaker 1: Well, it's funny because this is the first case that

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Speaker 2: Now, is he going to be examined before we actually

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Speaker 1: Told that that's not going to play in it yet,

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Speaker 2: It's not clear whether this defense will brings up.

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Speaker 2: That defense that is insane? Because I mean he obviously

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Speaker 1: And I think that that's all going to come into

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Speaker 1: That's going to be a part of that in there

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Speaker 1: It depends what kind of a record he has, we

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Speaker 1: So at that point they said he's he never had

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Speaker 1: if they try to use this paradoid schizophrenic as a defense,

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Speaker 2: We'll keep very much all. It's Steve Gregory covering the

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Speaker 2: When Joe Biden was running for president against Trump in

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Speaker 1: You can dislike Trump's personality, and he did some things

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Speaker 1: It didn't cut off all the immigration, but a good percentage.

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Speaker 2: True too. All right, we got more coming up. John

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Speaker 2: Bensman to talk about what's going on. You're not gonna

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Speaker 2: the one more thing on the border. And I was

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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, racism, xenophobia. Yeah, because well, it's well over

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Speaker 2: Oh, and it's had a huge control, it's had a

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Speaker 1: Happening because they're ideological, because they have an ideology where

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Speaker 1: It's like that stupid John Lennon song. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: Well that's why Mayor Adams is in Mexico and he's

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Speaker 2: It's it's so, it's just absolutely wrong.

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Speaker 1: You do have to have order, You do have to

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Speaker 1: Newsom pump jack winery until he starts to squeal that

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Speaker 1: I can't afford this, I'm gonna go out of business.

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Speaker 2: But what you can't jack commission is a mass of

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Speaker 2: people who you know, God love them, but they don't

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Speaker 2: have any skills. Now they get miired in poverty and

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Speaker 2: because they can't catch up, they never even get to

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Speaker 2: get education because they're trying to pay the bills and

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Speaker 2: take care of a bunch of people, and it becomes

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Speaker 2: that's what happens.

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Speaker 1: And you know what's false about the social security argument

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Speaker 1: is they don't earn much money, so they don't pay

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Speaker 1: much in Social Security benefits.

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Speaker 2: If at all.

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Speaker 1: Because so many illegal immigrants work underground, they're not on payrolls,

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Speaker 1: they're getting paid in cash. There's no tax money going

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Speaker 1: into the system. There's no social security money going into

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Speaker 1: the system, and it's been documented over and over again

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Speaker 1: that the average illegal alien, over the course of his

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Speaker 1: life costs many much much more money than they put

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Speaker 1: into the system. So it's what they right is propaganda.

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Speaker 1: It's false, it's lies because they belong to this ideological

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Speaker 1: political religion and every religion preaches nonsense. Well, every religion

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Speaker 1: a push his ideas that are not possible.

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Speaker 2: Well, when we come back, we will touch on that subject.

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Speaker 2: You had mentioned yesterday that Michael Schellenberger, along with a

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Speaker 2: co researcher, put together what's called why this one simple

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Speaker 2: chart will end Wokeism, And it's like a psychological assessment,

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Speaker 2: as John describes it, like the cult the religion that

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Speaker 2: this crowd of people is assembled into that believes on

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Speaker 2: topics like race and trans people and climate in certain

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Speaker 2: extreme things, and now they're so dedicated to it. It

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Speaker 2: is like a cult or religion. We'll get into that

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Speaker 2: coming up next. Johnny KENKFI AM six forty Live Everywhere

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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 3: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI AM.

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Speaker 2: Six forty.

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Speaker 1: On the radio from one until four after four o'clock

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Speaker 1: John and Ken on demand the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be bringing on Todd Bensman Center for Immigration

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Speaker 2: Studies after two o'clock. What a story he is covering.

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Speaker 2: There is an island in the Rio Grande River apparently

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Speaker 2: is controlled by the Mexican cartels, and it's ugly. They

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Speaker 2: have sniper nests, they probably have booby trapped it. It's

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Speaker 2: a place where they can retreat to in case either

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Speaker 2: the border patrol or the Mexican military is too close,

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Speaker 2: so they retreat there. He's going to give us the

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Speaker 2: inside story of this island and attempts. Because it is

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Speaker 2: part of the state of Texas, it has been determined

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Speaker 2: that they want to take it back from the occupying

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Speaker 2: cartel forces. So we'll get into all of that after

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Speaker 2: the news at two o'clock.

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Speaker 1: One thing we've been talking about for years is that

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Speaker 1: a lot of these progressive movements that we've been enduring

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Speaker 1: the last about five years or so are really very

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Speaker 1: similar to weird cult religions, and the people in these

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Speaker 1: weird cult religions are acting out in mentally unstable ways,

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Speaker 1: and except a lot of people in the media are

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Speaker 1: sympathetic to the same political goals so they cover these groups,

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Speaker 1: these people as if they're sane, legitimate, and they've got

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Speaker 1: a point. But Michael Schellenberger, the journalist, and his partner

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Speaker 1: Peter Bagosian, have have done some research to bolster what

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Speaker 1: we've been talking about for a long time that this

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Speaker 1: actually is a religious cult and the people involved are

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Speaker 1: mentally ill, and you could diagnose it because their behavior

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Speaker 1: matches what you find in the diagnostic manuals.

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Speaker 2: Religion taxonomy is what they call this, right, and they

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Speaker 2: put it together in three big categories, race, climate, and

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Speaker 2: the trans issues.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they open with some of the examples of

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Speaker 1: the insanity going on. Over the last few years, woke

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Speaker 1: progressives have behaved in increasingly odd ways. Black Lives Matter

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Speaker 1: activists in Washington screamed at and hovered over a woman

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Speaker 1: sitting peacefully in a restaurant, demanding that she raised her

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Speaker 1: fist in a salute.

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Speaker 2: I think about that. You have these grown men and

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Speaker 2: women screaming at another woman who's just eating dinner. Stick

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Speaker 2: your fist up in the air and salute us. What

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Speaker 2: climate activists through soup at a van go painting, dumped

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Speaker 2: milk on the floor of a grocery store. Cemented their

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Speaker 2: hands to our airport runway. Think about this behavior in adults.

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Speaker 2: You're throwing soup at a painting. Now, why what are

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Speaker 2: you gonna do?

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Speaker 1: Transgender activists falsely claimed that there was a genocide against

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Speaker 1: trans people, genocide even though there's no evidence that trans

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Speaker 1: people are being killed at any higher rate than non

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Speaker 1: trans people. They've got a lot of lies, they've got

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Speaker 1: a lot of hysteria. But they shot it really loudly,

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Speaker 1: and then this stuff starts getting repeated in the media coverage.

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Speaker 2: So they covered this and again it's called woke psychopathology

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Speaker 2: a taxonomy, So this was a very scientific analysis and

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Speaker 2: they were trying to come together with the traits that

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Speaker 2: characterize They actually referred to the American Psychiatric Association's Dyke

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Speaker 2: Statistical Manual. It calls cluster B personality disorders, and there

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Speaker 2: were four of these personality disorders, narcissistic, anti social, histrionic,

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Speaker 2: and borderline. And then they run through how these traits

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Speaker 2: are seen in some of the actions that John Dusk

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Speaker 2: described by the craziest of the woke people.

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Speaker 1: If you look at the woke groups that obsess on race,

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Speaker 1: they display attention seeking behavior such as black squares on

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Speaker 1: Instagram taking a knee the chant of say her name.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a trans chant BLM protests.

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Speaker 2: No, say her name is the woman that was killed

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Speaker 2: during the drug raid. Oh right, right right, okay, y,

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Speaker 2: that was where that came from BLM protests. But they

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Speaker 2: gave up with the hands up, don't shoot, didn't they? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: They did.

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Speaker 1: That was Michael Brown that was so universally debunked that

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Speaker 1: Jesse Smolett. I mean, he's like a poster child for this. Yes,

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Speaker 1: is completely be made up an attack right.

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Speaker 2: All the Black Lives Matter protests.

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Speaker 1: Then the second category is grandiosity, an exaggerated sense that

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Speaker 1: you're owed a great deal. You may recognize this in

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Speaker 1: some people, you know, And some of the traits that

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Speaker 1: these protesters have exhibited under grandiosity is reparations for slavery

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Speaker 1: are necessary and will never be sufficient. We must defund

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Speaker 1: and abolish police in prisons. The Transatlantic slave trade was

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Speaker 1: humanity's greatest crime. And of course they shout and intimidate

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Speaker 1: and normal people start going, oh, okay, okay, yeah, I'll

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Speaker 1: go along with that. Are okay, But really, what you

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Speaker 1: have are mental patients screaming at you wildly exaggerating whatever

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Speaker 1: it is. Their issue might be emotional dysregulation. You start

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Speaker 1: behaving dramatically and erratically. They yell that whites are inherently fragile.

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Speaker 1: Speech is violence. This is one of my favorites. And

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Speaker 1: silence is violence. That's the one that really pushed me

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Speaker 1: over the edge. Silence is violence. If you didn't come

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Speaker 1: out and I.

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Speaker 2: Just saw that banner on somebody's home a few weeks

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Speaker 2: ago and it said white silence is violence, you added

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Speaker 2: a word to it because it implies that if you're

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Speaker 2: not standing up for what's happening to Black America, you're

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Speaker 2: committing violence too. Climate shit, it's the police violence angle,

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Speaker 2: by the way.

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Speaker 1: There, there's, there's, there's what is there Eight categories here

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Speaker 1: of bizarre behavior, attention seeking, grandiosity, emotional dysregulation, excess of empathy,

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Speaker 1: victim ideology, impaired reality testing, lack of empathy. And it

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Speaker 1: covers climate change as well. For example, under climate change,

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Speaker 1: some of the attention seeking, uh throwing soup on paintings,

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Speaker 1: dumping milk on the floor, gluing hands on the floor,

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Speaker 1: stopping traffic and blocking subways, emotional dysregulation. You've get these

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Speaker 1: people young adults claiming you've stolen my childhood because I

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Speaker 1: don't know. It was too high out.

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Speaker 2: The Uh oh, that's what that means. I guess I

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Speaker 2: don't know. Well, some of the stuff I don't even understand.

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Speaker 2: How dare you use a dead name?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, new phrases that you're not supposed to argue with,

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Speaker 1: Like if you call a transperson by their old name,

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Speaker 1: uh h, you've dead named me. It's like, no, I

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Speaker 1: knew you for thirty five years under that name. So

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Speaker 1: it just came out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he did a very clinical analysis, and it's good.

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Speaker 2: Although my hand is up yes. On the other end

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Speaker 2: of this, the people that believe in pizzagate, the people

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Speaker 2: that believe that r FK, the JFK Junior was going

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Speaker 2: to show up at Dealey Plaza and become the vice

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Speaker 2: president for Trump. Yeah, and I just saw a story

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Speaker 2: the other day that they did show up waiting for

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Speaker 2: that to happen on the anniversary of the John F.

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Speaker 2: Kennedy shooting. Oh yeah, a couple of years ago. Would

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Speaker 2: he waited there because JFK Junior was going to show

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Speaker 2: up and take his place next to Trump for the president. Geez,

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Speaker 2: I just heard a new isn't that also psychological? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: those those are psychological on the other end of on

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Speaker 2: the other end of this. Yes, it is idiot because

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Speaker 2: it's a mental disorder, and it's it's a mental disorder

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Speaker 2: in your brain, and it can be displayed in any

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Speaker 2: number of ways.

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Speaker 1: It's not just through politics. There are a lot of

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Speaker 1: people who demonstrate this kind of behavior and all of

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Speaker 1: it is non political, or it can be QAnon politics,

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Speaker 1: or it can be woke politics. But the bottom line

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Speaker 1: here is a disorder. Right, Yeah, it's a mental disorder,

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Speaker 1: and it merges with religious like political beliefs, and that

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Speaker 1: could work with QAnon people, it could work with woke people,

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Speaker 1: or you don't even need a political component necessarily. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I've met a few people who have these

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Speaker 1: kinds of behavior patterns, right, and we've worked for a couple,

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Speaker 1: so the you know, and that's what it is. It's

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Speaker 1: disordered brains. And you're in a population, you're always gonna

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Speaker 1: have a certain percentage of disordered brains.

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Speaker 2: But they got elevated to becoming the social leaders of

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Speaker 2: our culture. Now, yeah, that is the scary part. That's

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Speaker 2: the problem is there, they're dictating policy, all right, If

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Speaker 2: you want to see more on this, look up Michael

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Speaker 2: Schellenberger why this one simple chart will end wokeism. Coming

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Speaker 2: up next, Todd Bensman's returning to The Johnny Ken Show,

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Speaker 2: a fellow with the Center for Immigration Studies who really

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Speaker 2: knows the border well, and he's got quite a story

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Speaker 2: about an island, an island between Texas and Mexico that

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Speaker 2: actually belongs to Texas, but it's occupied by the Mexican cartels.

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Speaker 2: Johnny KENKFI AM six forty live everywhere iHeartRadio app.

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