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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Then Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norrieback with

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Speaker 2: astrologer Leslie mcguork. Leslie, you call yourself an intuitive astrologer.

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Speaker 2: Is that different from a general astrologer?

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Speaker 3: I think so. I believe it's a lot like musicians.

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Speaker 3: There are some people who are technically good at playing

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Speaker 3: the piano, and then there are other people who have

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Speaker 3: like an intuitive sense of how to play. So there's

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Speaker 3: a different level. So I'm much more of an intuitive

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Speaker 3: person rather than a technical person. And I think there's

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Speaker 3: a real difference in the art world whether you've got

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Speaker 3: the ability to render something and make it look perfect

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Speaker 3: in real life or someone who's really got an original

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Speaker 3: style with how they do it. It's not that one

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Speaker 3: is better than the other, but I definitely fall in

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Speaker 3: the category of being more of the creative intuitive type.

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Speaker 2: You wrote a book called The Power of Mercury. Tell

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Speaker 2: me about mercury and what do they mean by retrograde?

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Speaker 3: Okay, so in the old days, with the people looking

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Speaker 3: up at the stars the way we watch television, they

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Speaker 3: were mystified by the fact that some of the planets

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Speaker 3: looked like they were stopping and going backwards. It's an illusion,

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Speaker 3: it's not really the case. But they started to associate

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Speaker 3: these ancient people with these periods where things looked like

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Speaker 3: they were going backwards, with bad luck, or that it

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Speaker 3: was uncomfortable. So mercury retrograde, which rules communication and travel,

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Speaker 3: signing contracts when it goes retrograde. It appears to many

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Speaker 3: people that these times are stressful. You can't count on

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Speaker 3: things going right, and if your computer breaks or your

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Speaker 3: car breaks, it's never fun. Oftentimes, when these things happen,

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Speaker 3: they're not permanent. They're just more fluky. And we have

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Speaker 3: to realize that these mercury retrograde times are actually healthy

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Speaker 3: for us because it forces us to slow down. We

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Speaker 3: live in a very fast paced world and many of

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Speaker 3: us are not taking time to reconnect with nature and

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Speaker 3: communicate with others. We're so busy that were exhausted half

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Speaker 3: the time. So the good thing about a mercury retrograde

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Speaker 3: period is that you can regroup. And I think of

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Speaker 3: it like again with the car. Is it bad that

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Speaker 3: your car can go and reverse? No, it's actually a

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Speaker 3: good thing, George, because if you can't get into reverse.

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Speaker 3: You can't get out of your driveway, you can't parallel park.

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Speaker 3: So there's nothing ever totally negative. Everything has a reason

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Speaker 3: for why it is the way it is. And the

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Speaker 3: other reason why I wrote the book is because the

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Speaker 3: people who were born during one of these wacky mercury

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Speaker 3: retrograde periods. For us, and I'm one of these people,

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Speaker 3: it's only twenty percent of the population, by the way,

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Speaker 3: during mercury retrograde, those of us who were born during

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Speaker 3: one of those times. For us, it's the time when

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Speaker 3: everything falls into place. We have the exact opposite relationship

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Speaker 3: with the period than other people do. So what that

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Speaker 3: means is that for us, when it goes direct, we

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Speaker 3: feel the way all the rest of the people feel

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Speaker 3: when it's retrograde. So I live with the constant feeling

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Speaker 3: of mercury retrograde because most of the year it's direct,

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Speaker 3: which for me would feel backwards. So when I get

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Speaker 3: these mercury retrograde periods, it's like, yay, it's better for me.

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Speaker 3: So I have to learn to just live with the

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Speaker 3: uncomfortable fact that things sometimes just get squirrely, and it's

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Speaker 3: just life. It's just the way it is. It happens

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Speaker 3: all the.

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Speaker 2: Time when we take calls. Next hour, you need the

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Speaker 2: birth month's day and year and a direct question.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that'd be great, Super and.

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Speaker 2: Tom, We'll get the info and I'll pass it on

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Speaker 2: to you as we chit chat with people. Why does

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Speaker 2: it work?

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Speaker 3: Why does it work? Okay, that's a great question. So

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Speaker 3: let's talk about the fact that we are an electromagnetic system.

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Speaker 3: It's all you have to do is get an EKG

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Speaker 3: to realize that. If you take that fact and then

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Speaker 3: you think about the just let's look at the Moon

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Speaker 3: for starters. It's a rock in space, and that rock

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Speaker 3: in space basically makes all the water on planet Earth

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Speaker 3: go up and down, the tides go up and down

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Speaker 3: according to the cycles of the Moon. Our body is

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Speaker 3: eighty percent water. And there's an influence with the Moon

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Speaker 3: and us. You can talk to any police station prison.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Oh, there's there's a correlation. Now, does it

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Speaker 3: mean that the Moon is directing our life? No. My

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Speaker 3: belief is that all of the planets, if you extrapolate

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Speaker 3: it out and take the Moon and Mars and Jupiter

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Speaker 3: and Venus, all of them, we are part of that

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Speaker 3: Have you ever been there.

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Speaker 2: George, I have not, No, I bet that's fantastic though.

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Speaker 3: It is fantastic, and I actually got to touch a

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Speaker 3: moon rock, which is pretty cool for an astrologer to

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Speaker 3: all the planets and all the majestic heavenly bodies up there,

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Speaker 3: it's very hard to think that we're not a part

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Speaker 3: at as the Kennedy Space Center that we are actually

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Speaker 3: made of stardust because we have calcium in our bones,

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Speaker 3: ninety three percent stardust and we're just basically stars that

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Speaker 3: have people names. And when we look at an astrology chart,

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Speaker 3: map is just that, it's a map, it's a navigational tool,

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Speaker 3: and it's a lot like a piece of music. So

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Speaker 3: some people are born with a pattern that sounds like

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Speaker 3: classical music, and some people have a chart that sounds

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Speaker 3: like rap music, and an astrologer can say, look, if

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Speaker 3: you've got rap music in your soul and your parents

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Speaker 3: are both classical music charts, then you're going to have

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Speaker 3: a difficult childhood. That's predictive, but it's not fortune telling.

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Speaker 3: It's just describing the reality of what two or three

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Speaker 3: different patterns look like when they're all together. And it's

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Speaker 3: a complicated, esoteric science to interpret. But the trick with

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Speaker 3: done in a way that people can hear it and

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Speaker 3: that they can translate the information I'm giving them into

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Speaker 3: something super useful practical. That's why I love teaching astrology

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Speaker 3: people can start using it on a daily basis with

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Speaker 3: their friends and families, and it can calm everybody down, George,

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Speaker 3: that's the number one thing I want people to realize.

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Speaker 3: There's a way to explain why things are the way

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Speaker 3: they are, and once you have that knowledge, you start

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Speaker 3: looking at life from an astrological perspective. It's literally a

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Speaker 3: language to help you have compassion for yourself and other

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Speaker 3: people like you wouldn't get mad at a dog like

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Speaker 3: But then when you look at them and you say, wow,

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Speaker 3: they can't help. But that's the way they're designed. Let

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Speaker 3: me tell you something that's a game changer for people.

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Speaker 3: And I've changed many people relationships with their husbands and

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Speaker 3: not good or bad. Not everyone can be just like you,

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Speaker 3: And we as humans tend to think everyone should be

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Speaker 3: just like us, and that's just not the way it is.

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Speaker 3: We're all very, very different.

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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty three has been a strange year, Leslie. There's carjackings,

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Speaker 2: there's robberies, there's muggings on an increase. We've got the

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Speaker 2: war in Ukraine and Russia. We've got the situation in

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Speaker 2: Israel with Hamas. What is twenty four going to look like?

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Speaker 3: Well, this is accurate what you just said about twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty three. It was and still is not an easy time.

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Speaker 3: We are basically under the cloud of Neptune, and Neptune

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Speaker 3: call twenty twenty four the Year of Ugly Truths. So

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Speaker 3: at least we've got the word truth in there. We're

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Speaker 3: moving forward, but there's definitely an ugliness of things getting

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Speaker 3: operate within this very very stressful time for people. And

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Speaker 3: we've gone through a big total recalibration since COVID and

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three was very internally difficult for many many people.

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Speaker 3: In twenty twenty four, there's definitely more forward movement, but

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Speaker 3: it's intense. This is going to be a very intense

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Speaker 3: some aspects going on that are somewhat suffocating. I'm not

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Speaker 3: other key for right now is to really connect with nature.

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Speaker 3: because again, we're these electromagnetic people walking around on this earth,

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Speaker 3: that's what we need right now because it is scary

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Speaker 3: lot of issues with mental illness right now because people

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Speaker 3: don't have the tools and the language to navigate this time.

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Speaker 3: I think that used to be that spirituality and going

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Speaker 3: to church and things like that would help people, but

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Speaker 3: more and more people are feeling lost. They don't exactly

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Speaker 3: know how to find balance and safety and comfort. And

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Speaker 3: that's where I think astrology and astrologers can help bring

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Speaker 3: similar to twenty twenty three, you just realize you're not

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Speaker 3: going crazy. It's just the way it is right now,

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Speaker 3: and it will get better. It just is going to

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Speaker 3: take a little while.

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Speaker 2: Do you help businesses make decisions because of astrology?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I do. I work with several CEOs and help

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Speaker 3: them with hiring new employees. It's very important to understand

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Speaker 3: how astrology can help you build a team where you

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Speaker 3: have people whose charts are all harmonious with one another.

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Speaker 3: I also help people with contract dates and trying to

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Speaker 3: you need. And just recently I had a client who

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Speaker 3: said her husband had a big decision to make with

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Speaker 3: Even in your wildest imaginations, you have the most incredible

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Speaker 3: And guess what, George, he got everything.

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Speaker 2: What did you see to tell him to go for it?

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Speaker 3: And that's the trick George. So many of the listeners

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Speaker 3: And that's what I'm going for all the time with people.

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Speaker 3: How can we compassionately get people to have the kind

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