1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to Rivercafe, Table four, a production of iHeartRadio and 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 1: Adami Studios. 3 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: My favorite line in this conversation is when Austin Butler 4 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 2: refers to his and my relationship as family. Austin arrived 5 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 2: here from filming Baz Luhrmann's movie Elvis, playing Elvis himself. 6 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: London was just out of COVID lockdown and leading an 7 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: immediate tradition. We decided to have dinner at my home 8 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 2: every Sunday night with the same small group of friends. 9 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 2: Austin would turn up early and cook with me, and 10 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 2: this is what we did every Sunday for thirty nine weeks. 11 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: Austin is a brilliant actor, a beautiful singer, a poet, 12 00:00:54,960 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 2: and a true friend. And Austin is my family. So Austin, 13 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 2: you and I are here in the River Cafe to 14 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 2: talk about food, our memories, travel and a lot more. 15 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: But maybe we should just start with Australia. 16 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,199 Speaker 3: I was in Australia for a year and a half 17 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 3: film I was making Elvis with Basil Hrman. 18 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 2: Did he have food on set? Did you sit down 19 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 2: to meals? 20 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 4: Yeah? Well we did this thing. 21 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 3: It's I'm realizing it's a very European sort of thing 22 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 3: where you have these rolling lunches, which basically means you 23 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 3: don't have a lunch break. You eat while you're filming. 24 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 3: And I actually kind of like it because it keeps 25 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 3: the momentum of filming. And so while we were filming 26 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 3: a lot of times it was just I was eating 27 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 3: for it was like gasoline was eating for for energy. 28 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 4: I just galloped making the most of this thing black hand. 29 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 3: And then when we wrapped, Bas and I were at 30 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 3: his house and there was a small group of us, 31 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 3: and it was the night that we wrapped, it was 32 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 3: it was the first time that he and I both 33 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 3: sort of were able to. 34 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 4: Go, ah, we did it. 35 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 3: You know, we've been working on this for I've been 36 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 3: attach for about two and a half years at that point, 37 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 3: maybe three years. He'd been doing this for long or 38 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 3: five or eight years or something. And we we just 39 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 3: we danced until the sun came up. We just yeah, 40 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 3: well we had a little group there, but we we 41 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 3: just put on vinyl records and we just danced and 42 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 3: we ate oysters and. 43 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 4: We just we just lived life. 44 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 3: It was like this feeling of letting our hair down 45 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 3: and and then the sun started to come up and uh, 46 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 3: and Bas looked out and he lived across the street 47 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 3: from the sea, and he said, should we go swim 48 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 3: in the ocean right now? And this is the night 49 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 3: that we wrapped the film, and so we both we 50 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 3: were like, yeah, let's do it. So we ran across 51 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 3: the street and we jumped in the ocean and it's 52 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 3: like five in the morning now, and we swam in 53 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 3: the ocean, and so the sun's rising and I was 54 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 3: gonna not go that night as well, and I said, 55 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 3: I said, pass, I can't believe I was gonna go 56 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 3: to sleep tonight. And he started singing nessa dorma and 57 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 3: he goes, no sleep tonight, No sleep tonight, and he 58 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 3: starts singing this opera and I hadn't really heard that song, 59 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 3: and he was telling me the story of the opera 60 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 3: and then he said, I'll play it for you when 61 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 3: we get back to the shore. And he went back 62 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 3: to the shore, and I kind of took a second 63 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 3: from myself in the ocean where it's just me. I 64 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 3: just watched the sun rise and I sort of processed 65 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 3: all that we had done. And you don't know the 66 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 3: final outcome of a film. You hope that you did 67 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 3: everything you possibly could, and you gave every bit of 68 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 3: your soul, but you don't know how it's going to 69 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 3: be received. But at that moment, I just kind of 70 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 3: processed all that you had, the work that we had done, 71 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 3: and the joy and the love that we put into. 72 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 4: It, and I sort of had that moment. 73 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 3: And then as I sort of slowly walked back to shore, 74 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 3: I look at Baz and he's holding a speaker above 75 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 3: his head like John Cusack can say anything, and he's 76 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 3: playing Nessador, the Pavaroti version, and it's blaring at like 77 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 3: five point thirty in the morning now on the beaches 78 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 3: of the Gold Coast. It was so magical and cinematic. 79 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 3: And then we made breakfast. 80 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 4: What was that we made? 81 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 3: We looked in the refrigerator and thought, okay, what can 82 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 3: we make? Because he and I both had been working 83 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 3: so hard. And there's this thing about filming where you're 84 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 3: there's so many responsibilities that other people end up almost 85 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 3: treating you like you're a child. In many areas, they 86 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 3: walk you to the bathroom. You know, if I said 87 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 3: i'm when I go to the trailer, they walk me 88 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 3: there and to make sure I don't get lost, they 89 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 3: treat you like you can't do anything, and they bring 90 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 3: you your food, and so you're very spoiled in many ways. 91 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 3: But there's something so relieving about that moment when you 92 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 3: were finally able to do something for yourself. And so 93 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 3: he and I that was our moment. We opened the 94 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 3: refrigerator and we saw that, okay, we got eggs, we 95 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 3: got asparagus, we got some spinach there, we got some tomatoes, 96 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 3: we got some parmesan cheese. 97 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 4: What can we do? And so we kind of just 98 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 4: made this breakfast. 99 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 3: And there's this loaf of bread, and so we cut 100 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 3: off bits of this bread and we toasted it and 101 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 3: just made this delicious meal. And that's one of the 102 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 3: most glorious memories of my life. Was like after we 103 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 3: finished this thing that was so terrifying and daunting, and 104 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 3: that we gave it everything we could and then then 105 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 3: we just sat there and as the morning sun sort 106 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 3: of laid down on us and ate that breakfast and 107 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 3: it was so glorious. 108 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,799 Speaker 2: It's it's about memory, isn't it. It's about the time. 109 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 2: And what about Tarantina? He was he interested in food? 110 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, remember one night we were we were doing 111 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 3: night shoots and it was about three in the morning. 112 00:05:54,560 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 3: He had this amazing crepe maker come and make crapes 113 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 3: and we were eating these amazing crepes and he said, 114 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 3: he said, Austin, you know, my thing is I want 115 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 3: to give everybody such a good experience on this job 116 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 3: that their next job sucks. 117 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 4: And it was such a wonderful thing. 118 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 3: So every every night there would be some new food 119 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 3: thing that he would he would organize, so you just 120 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 3: had this thing to look forward to. And and the 121 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 3: other thing that he did was after every hundred rolls 122 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 3: of film, which I believe it or not, this was 123 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 3: the first time I had shot anything on film, because 124 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 3: everything since I grew up was on digital essentially with 125 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 3: every person that I had worked with, and so that 126 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 3: was really special just hearing the sound of the film 127 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 3: going through the camera when you're sitting in the car. 128 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 3: But everye hundred rolls of film, you'd throw a party 129 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 3: and it would have a theme. So he'd have, you know, 130 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 3: Groppo would come out and so everybody and they'd be 131 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 3: singing these songs, and or Margarita's would come out and 132 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 3: need to have a mariachi band or so every hundred dollars, 133 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 3: whether it be ten in the morning or you know, 134 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 3: three in the morning. 135 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 4: It was something to look forward to. 136 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 2: I think that does actually give people a kind of 137 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 2: commitment to the person you're working for. You know that 138 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 2: they're taking care of you, know, they're thinking about you, 139 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 2: They're recognizing that you're working hard and that you want 140 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 2: to give them something back. It's a lot, doesn't it. Yeah, 141 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 2: when you lived by yourself, you once told me that 142 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 2: you chose a house in Los Angeles because it had 143 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:32,679 Speaker 2: a pizza oven. 144 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 4: Oh that was Yeah. 145 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 3: There's this beautiful house that had belonged to Gary Oldman 146 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 3: before and he had built a pizza oven. And I 147 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 3: became obsessed with learning how to make the perfect fire 148 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 3: and this pizza oven, the specific type of wood and 149 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 3: exactly how to lay it. And I got one of 150 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 3: those laser temperature gauges so I could make it a 151 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 3: thousand degrees and learn how to make the pizza sauce 152 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 3: and the dough and everything. And it was actually Christmas 153 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 3: that I made the most pizzas I think, And the 154 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 3: first couple kind of came out rough and then and 155 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 3: then started to get really into the zone of it. 156 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 4: And it was amazing to me how you how fast. 157 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 4: You could cook a pizza. 158 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, in that heat thirty seconds. For forty five seconds, 159 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 3: you can cook a whole pizza. 160 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 4: Yeah. 161 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 3: So I cooked pizzas for my whole family, and such 162 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 3: a great experience just getting to feed them and the 163 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 3: special thing of all kind of being around the fire. 164 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 4: And we had this table out there and. 165 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 3: It sort of looked like the Secret Garden as well 166 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 3: in this backyard. And cooked all these pizzas, and then 167 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 3: I started getting into other things. 168 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 4: I thought, what else can I cook it this fire? 169 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 3: And there's a restaurant in la called Pace that is 170 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 3: in Laurel Canyon that makes this salmon on a cedar plank, 171 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 3: and so I thought, I want to learn how to 172 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 3: make that. And so I ended up getting these cedar 173 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 3: planks and soaking them in water and putting the salmon 174 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 3: on top and seasoning it and sticking it in the. 175 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 4: Wood fire or whatever. It came out so incredibly. 176 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 2: This is something solitary. When I talked to Michael Caine, 177 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 2: he said that he'd love to write a book ye 178 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 2: back to Garden. And he liked to cook because doing 179 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 2: a movie, you are surrounded by hundreds of people surrounded 180 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 2: whatever you're doing you just describe being walked to the 181 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: bathroom or trying to find your trail. There's always someone around. 182 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 2: And then he chose three solitary things that you can 183 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 2: do on your own. Yea, So it sounds like maybe 184 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 2: that cooking was something that you could do without. 185 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 4: Absolutely it makes you feel so. 186 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 2: Sufficient, Yeah, and also giving giving back that you want 187 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 2: to feed. 188 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 3: Absolutely, it becomes my love language in a way. I 189 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 3: cook so much for the people around me. I'll look 190 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 3: into their eyes when they're eating it and try to 191 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 3: see if they love it as much as they say they. 192 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 4: Do, and I'll try to figure out ways of making 193 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 4: it better. 194 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 2: And it sounds the way you're talking about it like 195 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 2: a performance. 196 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. 197 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 2: Do you think there are parallels between acting or performing 198 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: or singing and cooking looking into people's eyes and seeing 199 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,599 Speaker 2: how they are responding to your performance. 200 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 3: Absolutely grilled white peaches with amoretto. Serve six six ripe 201 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 3: white peaches, one vanilla pod, two tablespoons cast of sugar, 202 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty milli liters amoretto, preheat of into 203 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 3: one hundred and ninety degrees celsius heat a grilled pan 204 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 3: until very hot. Cut each peach in half and remove 205 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 3: the stone. Place the peach halves cut side down on 206 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 3: the hot pan and grill until slightly charred. Remove from 207 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 3: the pan and place face up on an oven proof dish. 208 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 3: Slice the vanilla pod odd lengthways and put with the 209 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 3: sugar into a mortar pound until the vanilla pod is 210 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 3: broken up and combined with the sugar. Scatter the vanilla 211 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 3: sugar over the peaches and pour over half of the amaretto. 212 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 3: Bake for ten minutes or until the peaches are soft. 213 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 3: Add the remaining amaretto, and serve hot or cold with 214 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 3: a spoonful of crim fresh. 215 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 2: Thank you. 216 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 4: That sounds delicious. 217 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 2: Austin amaretto and Italian liqueur peaches grilled. Is that anything 218 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 2: to do with any food you grew up with in California? 219 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 3: Yeah? So I was born in Anaheim, right near Disneyland, 220 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 3: and we used to have these. We used to have 221 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 3: trees in the backyard that it wasn't We didn't have peaches, 222 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 3: but we had grapefruit trees, and we had an orange 223 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 3: tree in the backyard. And so like the smell of 224 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 3: fresh fruit. I remember my picking it and us having 225 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 3: this fresh fruit, and the kitchen and these lemons and grapefruit, 226 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 3: and so that's that's sort of what that made me think. 227 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 2: Of, did your mom? Was she a good cook? 228 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 3: She was a great cook, and especially as the years 229 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 3: went on, I remember eating a lot of fish sticks 230 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 3: and you know, the things that you'd get in the 231 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 3: freezer aisle, and little corn dogs that she would make, 232 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 3: because when I was born, she wanted to be a 233 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 3: stay at home mom, and she was a dental high 234 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 3: genist at the time, and then she ended up starting 235 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 3: daycare out of the house, and so she would watch 236 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 3: the children of the mothers who taught at the school 237 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:45,599 Speaker 3: right right around the corner that I eventually went to 238 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 3: elementary school there, and so so we always had little 239 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 3: children in the house, and so she had to make 240 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 3: these meals that were really quick and easy. So as 241 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 3: a kid, I just remember eating those and tuna fish 242 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 3: sandwiches and peanut butter and jelly sand and so nothing 243 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 3: really gourmet at all. And then as the years went on, 244 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 3: she became vegetarian, and then she became vegan, and then 245 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 3: she got really into making special things with portobello mushrooms 246 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 3: and bell peppers. 247 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 4: Stuffed with gooscous or other things like that. 248 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 3: So she got a little bit more into it later on, 249 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 3: But when I was growing up, it wasn't extremely healthy 250 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 3: in the house. It was it was kind of efficient meals. 251 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 2: And she's probably working so hard. 252 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 4: She was working so much. 253 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 3: And I mean there was twelve kids in the house 254 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 3: sometimes and yeah, all different ages. And when I was 255 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 3: when I started going to elementary school, we lived around 256 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 3: the corner from that same school, and I would walk 257 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 3: home every lunch and she'd have a peanut butter and 258 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 3: jelly sandwich waiting for me. And we watched this home 259 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 3: decorating show called Surprise by Design, and then we would 260 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 3: we would come up with things that we were going 261 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 3: to do around the house, and so we we'd lay 262 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 3: a brick path in the backyard or plant little flowers, 263 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 3: that sort of thing. We'd get inspired by this show, 264 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 3: and I just remember how excited I was to walk 265 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 3: home every day and just eat the sandwich that she 266 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 3: made for me, and how specially that was. 267 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 2: That's a beautiful memory. Is that of your mother making 268 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 2: something for you and going home for lunch. That's that's 269 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 2: Would you have dinner as well? Would you all sit 270 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 2: down to dinner or was. 271 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 3: That Well, my parents divorced when I was seven, and 272 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 3: a lot of my memories go back to that time 273 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 3: because it was when sort of the stability of family 274 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 3: split up and my dad moved into this this person 275 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 3: that he worked with, and he moved into their garage 276 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 3: and they had sort of a converted garage and we 277 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 3: had a tiny, little miniature fridge and that was that 278 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 3: was where we kept all our groceries. And we had 279 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 3: air mattresses that we slept on and we put them 280 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 3: down at night and then we'd put them up and 281 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 3: we'd put down a table during the day. 282 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 4: And so it. 283 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 3: Was this one room that was our entire house, and 284 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 3: it was just this old garage, and there was a 285 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 3: treadmill in the corner that was their old treadmill, and 286 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 3: we would we would make food there, and so we 287 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 3: shared their kitchen. Better than that, we had sort of 288 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 3: just this one room. And I started cooking as a 289 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 3: kid because with my dad had he had work and 290 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 3: so he would say, hey, I'll pay you two dollars 291 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 3: if you'd cook dinner tonight. And so as a way 292 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 3: that I could stock up money as a kid was 293 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 3: cooking dinner. 294 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,479 Speaker 4: And there was three staple. 295 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 3: Things, maybe and one of the main ones that I 296 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 3: remember is burritos. We'd make Dennison's chili bean burritos, which 297 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 3: this can of beans with some sour cream and cheese, 298 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 3: and I haven't eaten one of those in years, but 299 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 3: we used to eat that every night. And then a 300 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 3: special occasion would be getting a five dollars pizza from 301 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 3: down the road or something like that. So those were 302 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 3: that was like the idea of a fancy meal was 303 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 3: ordering a pizza out when I was a kid, which 304 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 3: I think then years later coming to a place like 305 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 3: like your restaurant here, going to French laundry for the 306 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 3: first time or something like that was was so felt. 307 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 3: I felt so out of my element in a way 308 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 3: when I first started going to really nice restaurants, because 309 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 3: you know, five dollars sounded like a lot for a 310 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:15,239 Speaker 3: meal when I was a kid. 311 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 2: Would you do the shopping or would he order out? 312 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 2: Would you? 313 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 4: We would always we'd usually get a costco. 314 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 3: As a kid, yeah and yeah, we'd get food and 315 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 3: bulk and then and make meals out of that. And 316 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 3: then at a certain point, I think when I moved 317 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 3: I moved out when I was seventeen, and I started 318 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 3: wanted to learn how to make food and wanted to 319 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 3: know how flavors fit together. And I started making some money, 320 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 3: and so I started trying restaurants in LA and then 321 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 3: I worked in New York for the first time, and 322 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 3: that was really eye opening because just getting to try 323 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 3: great little Italian restaurants. And I remember going to Roberta's 324 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 3: for the first time, which is this restaurant in Brooklyn. 325 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 3: Had a friend of mine who owned all these restaurants 326 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 3: in LA. He said, this is the restaurant that made 327 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 3: me want to open a restaurant. And so going to 328 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 3: Roberta's and and trying there and it feels a lot 329 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 3: like here, where you feel like you're home, you know 330 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 3: you're entering. I realized I have a lot of instability 331 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 3: in my life. There hasn't been a lot of continuity 332 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 3: in many areas of my life since I was young, 333 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 3: just because I travel a lot. And even the nature 334 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 3: of doing a film or a TV show, you you 335 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 3: sort of make a family of the entire crew and 336 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 3: then it splits up. 337 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 4: And through therapy, I. 338 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 3: Sort of realized that that was that I was almost 339 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 3: like reliving my childhood of my parents getting divorced. For 340 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 3: you know, many years of making a family, and then 341 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 3: it splits up, and you make a family and it 342 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 3: splits up. And so I'd seek out ways of having 343 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 3: stability and consistency and most of that for me while 344 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 3: on location, whether I was Vancouver, New Zealand, or Australia, 345 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 3: here in London, or wherever I was, I would I 346 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 3: would find restaurants that became my second home, and I'd 347 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 3: get to the point where I'd go there every day 348 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 3: and the staff then knew me and I knew them, 349 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 3: and suddenly it felt like there was there was this 350 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 3: thing that was separate from my work, that felt like home. 351 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 3: Even if I've woken up with anxiety, or if i 352 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 3: feel sad or I feel overwhelmed, I go to a restaurant, 353 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 3: I think what you've created here is so beautiful because 354 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 3: I feel it here as well. I'll come here with 355 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 3: a book and you know, and I get to see you, 356 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 3: and I get to read, and I know the people 357 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 3: who work here, and that goes even deeper because you 358 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 3: and I have a family relationship. 359 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 2: Beyond that, I think I always say that in an 360 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 2: irregular world, we do need regular things. And I think 361 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 2: even if we have, you know your life, you know 362 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 2: the way you describe. It is very moving and very 363 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 2: honest and a revelation of who you are. But I 364 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 2: think that even if you have a consistency and you 365 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 2: have those foundations and you have that life, it's still 366 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 2: we seek out. You know. You talk to people about 367 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 2: the Sunday lunch, people going home for Sunday lunch, or 368 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 2: Friday night supper or Christmas. The Christmas lunch has to 369 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 2: be the same every year. And so food does mean that, 370 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 2: doesn't It gives you a sense of stability. And I 371 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 2: always wanted a restaurant to feel like home, you know, 372 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 2: that is a place. I'm always amazed that people will 373 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 2: come to a restaurant even if they've had a really 374 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 2: bad day, you know, or something bad has happened. 375 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 4: Sometimes we need it on those days the most, Yeah, 376 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 4: that you come. 377 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 3: This morning, I could hardly leave the house. I just 378 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 3: felt anxious for some reason. And then I got myself. 379 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 3: I just said, you know, I just got to get 380 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 3: to the cafe. And once you get there, then suddenly 381 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 3: there's life around you and it sort of buzzes and 382 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 3: you feel humanity wash over you, and things that are 383 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 3: happening outside of your own experience. And then and then 384 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 3: you eat delicious food and that really helps. 385 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 2: Did you eat pizzas in Italy when you went on 386 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 2: that trip? You tell me that you took a road trip. 387 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I had a lot of pizza there. 388 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 2: Where did you start? 389 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 4: We took this. 390 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 3: One of the best trips I've ever taken was this. 391 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 3: Spent a month just road tripping through Italy. That was 392 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:40,719 Speaker 3: probably four years ago, or was before I was. And 393 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 3: we started in Milan, drove from Milan to the coast 394 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 3: and went to Porto Fino first, and I'd only ever 395 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 3: spent maybe a week in Italy before this, and that 396 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 3: was incredible. And then drove down and went to Chinquitere 397 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 3: and hiked between the little villages and when through the 398 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 3: vineyards there had pasta, Oh my gosh, the best pesta 399 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 3: pasta besides yours. 400 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 2: Yea, they can make a better one. I'm not competitive. 401 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 4: It was incredible. 402 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 3: And then drove down through Tuscany, drove to Florence and 403 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 3: did that for a couple of days, and drove out 404 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 3: to this little bed and breakfast in Tuscany. It was 405 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 3: run by this beautiful Italian woman and her husband, and 406 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 3: they had two daughters and one of the daughters would 407 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 3: play piano in the afternoon and you'd hear it reverberating 408 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 3: through the vineyard. 409 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 4: And so it's just us and this family. 410 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 3: And she'd bring for catcha up and you'd eat it 411 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 3: around the pool in the afternoon, and then and then 412 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 3: at night, her husband would would One night, he caught 413 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 3: a wild boar, and so then she made this wild 414 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 3: boar and it was just absolutely divine. And one of 415 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 3: their daughters was dating a young man who was eighteen 416 00:21:55,960 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 3: years old that he was half Israelian half Italian. And 417 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 3: he told me, he said, you know, I am a pilot. 418 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 3: And I said, oh, you're a pilot. That's that's fantastic. 419 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 3: And he said and he said, do you know I 420 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 3: can fly you if you want me to. 421 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 4: And I said, wow, yeah, I mean that would be cool. 422 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 3: But I thought, I'm not trusting our lives in this 423 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 3: eighteen year old kids' hands. 424 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 4: You know. 425 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 3: And then the next night his mom came to dinner. 426 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 3: She was in the Israeli Air Force. She said, you know, 427 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 3: he's actually a very good pilot. I said, you know what, 428 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 3: you only live once. I mean, where can we go? 429 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 3: And he said, you know, I can fly you to 430 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 3: Elba it's when, and I thought, well, last where Napoleon 431 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 3: was exiled, and he could go to that little island 432 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 3: and that'd be really cool. And I said, you know what, 433 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 3: let's do it. I'll pay for guys, I'll pay for 434 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 3: the plane whatever we need. And so we end up 435 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 3: end up getting in the car and he couldn't drive 436 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 3: a car, but he could fly a plane. 437 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 4: And so I drive us all it's. 438 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 3: Me and my girlfriend at the time, and him and 439 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 3: his girlfriend, and we drive up the floor Lawrence, and 440 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 3: we end up getting to the little like separate private 441 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 3: area of the airport and we go through security, and 442 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 3: then he ends up going to a little garage and 443 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 3: by hand pulling out a little four seat or cessna, 444 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 3: see you pictured this skinny little Italian. Oh my gosh, 445 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 3: he pulls this thing out by hand. I'm thinking, oh 446 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 3: my god, what are we doing here. It felt like 447 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 3: riding in a go kart or something. And we get 448 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,360 Speaker 3: into the plane and go through all the pre flight 449 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 3: checks and then we take off and he and then 450 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 3: I can't hear him at all. It's static in the headphones, 451 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 3: and I see panic over his face. And we're in 452 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 3: the air now and we're flying I'm thinking, he's the 453 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 3: only person that can land this plane, and there's panic 454 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 3: on his face, and I can't hear him, and it's static. 455 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 3: And then I realized that he just couldn't figure out 456 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 3: how to switch a certain switch, and so we couldn't 457 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 3: hear each other. And once he figured that out, then 458 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 3: peace came upon the airplane. 459 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 4: And then he told me it's a. 460 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 3: Very dangerous landing place in Elba because you have to 461 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 3: fly in this zig zag shape, and. 462 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 2: So that's that I'm going to God. 463 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 3: We trusted this eighteen and we ended up zigzagging through 464 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 3: the mountains of Elba and landing and we got there safely, thankfully, 465 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 3: and then we clearly and then we ate Pasta with 466 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 3: him and his girlfriend that day for lunch, and they 467 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,360 Speaker 3: flew back and we stayed and rode around on Vespers 468 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 3: and ate pasta all these different beaches on Elba and 469 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 3: went to the vineyards that Napoleon used to go to. 470 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 3: And then he came back three days later and picked 471 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 3: us up on the plane and we flew back to Florence. 472 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 4: And that was it was magic. 473 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 2: So the adventure of travel, the adventure of eating. 474 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 4: It's like over dinner, you create these adventures. 475 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 2: You know, the culture of a country is so taken 476 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 2: through its food. And very often, as you know, we 477 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 2: meet somebody who comes back from a country and we 478 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 2: don't ask what museum they went to or you know, 479 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 2: what gallery they saw? 480 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 4: What church? 481 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 2: Will we do? But you know this also tells you 482 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 2: so much by the saying, as you've just described the 483 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 2: food that they ate and the culture of the dinners, 484 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 2: or the shooting a boar or catching a fish, or 485 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 2: it's as exciting as getting on a plane crazily, I 486 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 2: might say, am I somebody who don't know? You know, 487 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 2: it's all about curiosity and exploring and opening ourselves up. 488 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 2: And so if we think about you know, we've talked 489 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 2: about food as memory of the food that you've found 490 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 2: had sets and traveling and working, and the food that 491 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 2: connects us all. I suppose it connects our memories, it 492 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 2: connects each other as a sense of excitement. But it's 493 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 2: also sex of comfort. What would be the food you 494 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 2: would probably go to for comfort. 495 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 3: I've been away from home for a long time, and 496 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 3: as well as the fact that my mother's no longer here. 497 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 4: She passed away when I was twenty. 498 00:25:54,880 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 3: Three, and I almost hadn't put it into conscious thought, 499 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 3: but I often will. After a big week or if 500 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 3: I'm feeling really overwhelmed, I'll make a peanut butter and 501 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 3: jelly sandwich and that becomes my thing. I made one 502 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 3: the other day and it's just that that comforting sensation. Yeah, 503 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 3: so that that's one of my go to comfort foods 504 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 3: for sure. 505 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 2: I'll see you for cards on Sunday night, partner, I'll 506 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 2: see that. Thank you. To visit the online shop of 507 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 2: The River Cafe, go to shop The Rivercafe dot co 508 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 2: dot uk. 509 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: River Cafe Table four is a production of iHeartRadio and 510 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: Adamized Studios. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, 511 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.