1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: Conversations on life, style, beauty, and relationships. It's The Velvet's 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: Edge Podcast with Kelly Henderson. I literally say this to 3 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: you all the time, but I can't talk to you 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: without pressing record because I'm afraid we'll miss something for 5 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: the people. So Hello, Marv, Hello Call. We just got 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: on the phone and I was asking Marv what to 7 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: call this energy that we're discussing today, and we came 8 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: up with the great Pluto Return. So we're gonna be 9 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: talking a lot about Pluto. There's a lot going on, 10 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: and this has started in which you just pointed out 11 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: to me, which we all know what happened in with 12 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 1: the pandemic um, but there's also like there was a 13 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: lot more than just the pandemic that was probably the 14 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: most noteworthy thing across the world, but there's been so much, 15 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: especially in America, happening, and I think I've reached this 16 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: point in my life and I know a lot of 17 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: people that I've talked to you are just feeling this 18 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: like overwhelm of Okay, well what's next. It's like we 19 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: keep just feeling these hits. It feels like are these big, 20 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: big like catastrophes almost happening and so it can be 21 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: overwhelming and kind of like this hopeless feeling when you're 22 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: in the middle of this um And what I was 23 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: saying to you this morning is that I feel lucky 24 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: that I have the perspective of when things are cleaning out, 25 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: Like I look at it as things are cleaning out, 26 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: like sort of like when you're um going to renovate 27 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: a house, you have to, like, if you're going to 28 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: renovate your kitchen, you have to clear out the old 29 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: kitchen first before you can build the new beautiful kitchen. 30 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: And so like it feels like that, and I just 31 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: try to keep my mind in that perspective or else 32 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: I get really kind of doomsday with what's happening. So 33 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: we wanted to bring that to you guys today to 34 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: just give you all of the reasoning behind some of 35 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: this stuff that's happening, and then also maybe just a 36 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: little hope of of what the universe might be bringing 37 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: for the future. All Right, where do you want to 38 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: get started? You want to talk about Pluto. Well, when 39 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: you get into Pluto, what you have to understand is 40 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: Pluto is transformation of the soul. But it's not just 41 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: transformation of the soul its transformation of the nation, it's 42 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: transformation of humanity. We're all moving towards um one purpose, 43 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: and that is to realign, become self aware, becomes self realized, 44 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: connect with our maker UM. And so that's quite a 45 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: a daunting process. So it's not just transformation of the individual. Now, 46 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: when this happens in an individual's life, it is pretty dramatic. UM, 47 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: it's uh. And when it happens in a nation, UH, 48 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: it's also pretty dramatic. You gotta if we look back 49 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: when pluto was discovered back in the thirties, it was 50 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: discovered along with atomic energy, so pluto transforms at a 51 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: cellular level. You see when when you h as an individual, UM, 52 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: we're talking about epigenetics, UH, is the fairy foundation for 53 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: your your ego, how your emotions, how you respond to life. 54 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: And this is based upon all of our ancestry, how 55 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: they lived through life. And then the over identification we've 56 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: had with other lifetimes, UM, that were miscreations that we've 57 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: come into this lifetime to correct. And in that role 58 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: of that process of making correction, UH, it can be 59 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: pretty hurtful when you have to let go of ego 60 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: identification things when you have to let go of um, 61 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: things we relate to in life and are we're familiar 62 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: with and comfortable with. Well, so it takes a Pluto 63 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: transit to come along and start changing all that. Um. 64 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: When you overidentified, when your ego is attached to something, well, 65 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: then you don't want to let it go. And in 66 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: that not letting gold process and being forced to let 67 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: it go, well, there's pain involved, because pain is the great, 68 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: the great reconciler. I mean, when you go through a 69 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: transformation through pain, you don't ever forget and you come 70 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: to a new realization. And so you know, one of 71 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: the things that what we're all going through now is, uh, 72 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: you know, we're all we're all looking through binoculars and 73 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: we've got it flipped around, so we're looking through the 74 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: big end two. I mean, we're looking through the little 75 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: land and we're seeing everything up close. When you look 76 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: through binoculars, it just brings it up close. So life 77 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: is like binoculars right now. Everybody is so caught up 78 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: in all the different things that are going on that 79 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: you get caught up in the drama. And not only that, 80 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: you get caught up in the collective consciousness. You know, 81 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: it's hard to break out of mass consciousness. As a 82 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: matter of fact, you can't break out of mass consciousness 83 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: even when you're an enlightened being, because that much energy 84 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: is overwhelming even to an enlightened being. So you have 85 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,119 Speaker 1: to understand that we've got to stop looking at things 86 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: so devastatingly, so dramatically, because we're all going into what 87 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 1: a new paradigm. I mean, you literally are creating a 88 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: whole new future and it had to be wiped out 89 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: in the beginning. In so when that came about, that shift, 90 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: what that really was was the beginning of major change. 91 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: And that changes is going to go on for a 92 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: little while. Um. Jeff Green is the writer of the 93 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: book called Pluto. Uh is one of the best astrology 94 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: books ever written, and it's called Transformation of the Soul 95 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: and Uh. You know, I asked him one time during 96 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: a reading, I said, why am I so piste off 97 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: at society? And he laughed a little bit and he says, well, 98 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: I'm the worst person you can ask, well, why because 99 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 1: that's how I feel right now. So because because when 100 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: you're when you're caught up in the drama of life 101 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: and you're caught up in things, all you can see 102 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: is your perspective in your perception when we're going through 103 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: a paradigm shift, what perspective and perception are we using 104 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: the conditioned language, the language of yesterday? How how can 105 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: we possibly be creative and move towards the future of 106 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: our our own making and design if we're using yesterday's language, 107 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: yesterday's understanding. And so yet when we when we look 108 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: at Pluto, this is it's landscape has undergone a radical transformation. 109 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: This is radical transformation. It starts, it starts at the 110 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: very atomic level, even in a human being. It represents disease. 111 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: Where does disease start in the d n A and 112 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: mutations in the cells. So it's just like you know, 113 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: people their whole life has changed when they've contracted a 114 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: major illness and then overcome that major illness through their 115 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: creative efforts. They never are the same again. And so 116 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: we have to look at and that's what Jeff said, 117 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: you have to look at everything from a cycle standpoint. 118 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: And of course, you know we talked about this a 119 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: little bit before Saturn. Pluto, uh that occurred in is 120 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: a thirty three year cycle. So it just doesn't mean 121 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: it's just going to happen in and be the end 122 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: of it. It's going to be a process of unfoldment 123 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: of realization for thirty three years. I mean that's like 124 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: a major to the rest of my life. Well, but 125 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean you're not going to live, use creativity, 126 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 1: become more realized, become more understanding, become a much more wiser, 127 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: mature person. You see. I go back to what David 128 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: Offen says, the world has everything to offer for people 129 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: to grow of all in all ways. So we're all 130 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 1: growing and we have an opportunity to use the world 131 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: for whatever it gives us feedback and how to grow. Yeah, 132 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: it's so crazy because I think that, like right now, 133 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: a lot of people are like God, I just you know, 134 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: I think we've had that mentality of like when things 135 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: get back to normal, and you have told me since 136 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: the pandemic, like let go of that, like things are 137 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: not going back. They're not. And it's weird because there 138 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: was a lot of things that I agreed with you 139 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: or understood what you're saying. I was like, yeah, okay, 140 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: but like I don't think I could really fully accept 141 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: it until recently. Like it's taken multiple things over and 142 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 1: over and over for me to go Okay, yeah, this 143 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: is true, Like you know, a lot of it's for 144 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 1: me and work. Like I keep thinking, well, once they 145 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: can open shows back up, then things are going to 146 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: go back to normal. And like they're not tickets aren't 147 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: selling because people don't have money, and like they're still 148 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: having to cancel tours because of COVID, and it's just like, Okay, 149 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: this is the new like lean in. But again it's 150 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: what you were saying earlier of anything that we over 151 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: identify with as our um value or identity in general, 152 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: seems to be being released right now. Like anything that 153 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: I have gripped to for the definition of who I 154 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: am that is actually just ego driven has been removed 155 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: or is being removed or keeps coming in and then 156 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: like going away again. Well, I mean, let's just think 157 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: about this for a second on two levels, and the 158 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: macro cosm and the micro cosm. You're changing. In the microcosm, 159 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: you're changing you you're adapting to the new situations and 160 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: cultural society and um in your peace of the world. Well, 161 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: in the macro causum, the politics, the government, all of 162 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: the in fighting and the polarization is mirrored we they 163 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: are mirroring us, what's going on inside of us. How 164 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: are we ever going to change this polarization without going 165 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:53,199 Speaker 1: through a tremendous purging, cultural or transformation of their of 166 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: their violent self healing and so that we can get 167 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: well again. And I mean just think of that for 168 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: a second. I mean, people get cancer, and some people die, 169 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: and some people change their life and the perspective of 170 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: what brought cancer into their life to now reshape their 171 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: whole life, their whole perspective and perception. That's how the 172 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: macro and the micro works, and so on the on 173 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,839 Speaker 1: the macro level, Yes, it's easy to get caught up 174 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 1: into all the change, but when you're in the middle 175 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: of the change is like in the being in the 176 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: old saying being in the forest for the trees. You're 177 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: trying to straighten it all out, and you can't straight 178 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: to it all out. So you've got to just to say, Okay, 179 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: what's mine to do today? How do I stay grounded 180 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: in today? What's my best effort, my best foot forward today? 181 00:12:53,000 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: How can I creatively advance my life? And uh, I 182 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: think that that would be a way that you stay 183 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 1: in the moment and let let all the periphery and 184 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: all the things going on around you go on. You're 185 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: not in control, nobody's in control, and nobody understands it. 186 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: But God. So why are you trying to figure out 187 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: God's plan? Well, I think because we want to control everything. 188 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: But the interesting thing like that, it's interesting because as 189 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 1: you're talking, I just you know, in twelve steps, they 190 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: teach us like you can't without awareness, you can't make 191 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: any changes. So like, without accepting the problem, you can't 192 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: do anything different because you're not even aware there is 193 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: a problem. So that's the first step. Um, And then 194 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: the other thing that you were saying that really resonates 195 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: with that same mentality is just the next right step. Like, 196 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: I do think you're right that we keep wanting to 197 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: like fix these huge issues and we're just at the 198 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: point of coming into awareness. Really, I think inc that 199 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: these issues are real and they're like these underlying, huge, 200 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: underlying currents. I know in our country specifically, there's a 201 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: lot of these things, and yes they've been kind of 202 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: bouncing around for a while, but they haven't come to 203 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: the forefront and this this capacity yet. So they're here 204 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: and like they're not going away, and they're in a 205 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: new place of awareness. For I would think most people 206 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: like I don't know how you can't be aware right now? Um, 207 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: and all and all we can do is take the 208 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: next right step. Like there's a litterally, you can't try 209 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: to fix it all in one sitting or else you 210 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: just shut down or it blows up again. Well exactly, 211 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: I mean if I mean, who knew the polarization in 212 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: this country before we began in the late teams began 213 00:14:53,440 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: realizing it through uh, through that polarization started coming out 214 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: more and more and more. I mean it was most 215 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: of this stuff stayed hidden, it was pushed down, and 216 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: it was the underbelly of society. So you call this 217 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: the collective unconscious, and you're having to deal with the 218 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: collective unconscious right now in a major, major way. And 219 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: when you look out at how do we get rid 220 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: of the polarization, well, there aren't any answers. There's no answers. 221 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you can have opinions, but nobody has answers. 222 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: And so I think that this is what uh we're 223 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: all looking at. UH. And Pluto is the hidden um. 224 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: You know, it's it rules things from UM UH, the 225 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: underground sewage workers archaeologists, but on the sinister level, it's 226 00:15:55,040 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: secret police, organized crime, all self destructive in pulses of 227 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: the collective. And we really really do have to look 228 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: at that now like never before in my life. I mean, yes, 229 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: we've had some of these problems, but not so magnified. 230 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: And that's what Pluto was doing, is this magnifying the ugliness. 231 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: We've been dealing with slavery issues for a hundred and 232 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: how many years now we're still dealing with it. We're 233 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: still dealing with the inequities between people because of color 234 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: or race or sexual orientation. I mean, this is just 235 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we say it all the time. 236 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: This is two thousand twenty two, We're still fighting eighteen sixty. 237 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I said that about abortions recently. I'm like, 238 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: are we really here again? Like what what? And uh, well, 239 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: an abortion fifty some years later we're fighting at again. 240 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: So we're What we're fighting is all the ugliness that's 241 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: in this culture and society we call America, that we 242 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 1: that we main pushed down up until recently. I literally 243 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: could not agree more because I think that was what 244 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: the political I'm trying not to take sides here. Let 245 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: me think of how I want to say this, But 246 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: but the political part is part of the process. It 247 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: had to be. Well, it just brought it to the surface. 248 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 1: It brought these like mentalities that I wasn't even aware existed. Bits. Yeah, 249 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: the politics is where I saw something brought to the 250 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: service that I didn't even know existed. Like it's like 251 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: it almost certain people or mentalities gave a voice to 252 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: some things that I just was like, what people think 253 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: this way? It was crazy to me, but it was there. 254 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: And so it's the same thing of like if you're 255 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: in a dysfunctional relationship and you don't know there's like 256 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: a secret life or something, and then it it's brought 257 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: to the service. I would always rather be brought to 258 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: the surface. It doesn't mean it's not painful in the process, 259 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: which again you cannot do anything about it or make 260 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: a true decision for like the best life for you 261 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: without all the information. Well you can't heal. Okay, that's 262 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: about from something until you are diagnosed with the problem. 263 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: Right to even go back to your cancer um analogy 264 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: like if you don't know you have cancer, how do 265 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 1: you even know the treatments to get Yeah, I mean, 266 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: how did we realize this whole society and culture is 267 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: so polarized until somebody gave a voice to him. Right, Okay, well, 268 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: so let's look at the flip side of this, because 269 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: Pluto actually represents heaven and hell m So whatever it 270 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: destroys or takes away, it rebuilds to an even greater 271 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: uh In image and a greater situation. So, yes, we 272 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: are in a very destructive time right now, but that 273 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that that's going to be forever. It means 274 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: that when we get to the other side, people say, well, 275 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: when's this when's this pass? And I said, well, this 276 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: is going to be the last pass in January. But 277 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean it's going to be over. That just 278 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: means the rebuilding process has to begin, and so we're 279 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: beginning uh next year. But that doesn't mean that we're 280 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: I mean, we're all past the conflict and all past 281 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: the crisis. I mean, after you've healed from after you've 282 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: healed from cancer, what do you gotta do. You've changed 283 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: your diet, you've changed your lifestyle, you've changed expressed, you 284 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: change how you handle life, you change your whole perspective 285 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: on how you live your life. Some people come back 286 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 1: with that experience, stay um out of death experience looks 287 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 1: what Look what's changed in their life. It's tremendous. And 288 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: this is where we're at now, is we're in the 289 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: throes of it and trying to get clarity in the 290 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: throes of it is just not going to happen. But 291 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: you don't know the new new paradigm, you don't understand that, 292 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: you don't have the language. So we've got to rebuild. 293 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: And that's what this rebuilding processes is all about. So 294 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,479 Speaker 1: you know what I was thinking about this. You know 295 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: the Pluto Saturn which was brought up in which started 296 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: in It was in every thirty three years, so it's started. 297 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: It was there in World War One, and they're in 298 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 1: World War Two. So I said, well, that's interesting. What 299 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 1: come out of World War Two? Thinking in terms of rebuilding, Well, 300 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 1: let's talk about that for a second. So what if 301 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: I told you after World War Two came computers, a 302 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: t M super glue, penicil and satellites, freeze dried coffee radar, 303 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: and the ballpoint pen justin named ten Ah. So out 304 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: of destruction and a world war, positive things came from that. 305 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 1: What came out of World War One. Going back to 306 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: our history lesson Kelly uh. Disease awareness prevention leaped forward 307 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: during World War One, first to heal soldiers and later 308 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: for civilians. Medical advances including screening for tuberculosis, treatment for tetanus, 309 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: vaccines for typhoid, prevention of venarial disease, and disinspectfaction for 310 00:21:55,240 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: surgery that came out of World War One. So hopefully 311 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: what I'm trying to bring forward in this conversation is 312 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: the fact that yes, we're in the throes of hell, 313 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: but yes we are going to move to the to 314 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 1: the mountain peaks of heaven, and we've got to go 315 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: through the pain of the process, and we got to 316 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: not take it personal. We've got to look at it 317 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: from flip the binoculars around and look at the big end. 318 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: And when you look at the world you look through 319 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: you see it from the little end. It's all very small. 320 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: It's so far away. So we've got to stop looking 321 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: at all of the things going on. Is like it's 322 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: just on top of us. Because you get sucked into 323 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: the news collective consciousness other people's fox ideas and opinions, 324 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 1: and not of them are running well. It kind of 325 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: goes back to what you were saying at the beginning, 326 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: to this is like a time that brings us back 327 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: to connecting with spirit or a higher power or whatever 328 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: you wanna call it God. And I was just thinking 329 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: as you said that, Um, the only thing that really 330 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: feels right to me right now on most days is 331 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: just staying curious, like something else falls apart, or some 332 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: ship storm happens, or some school shooting happens, and it's 333 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 1: like the most awful news, you know, and the most 334 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: terrible thing that can happen. And I feel like the 335 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 1: only way that I stay peaceful in any moment right 336 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: now is like, Okay, well what am I here to 337 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: do in this? Like this terrible tragedy is happening, what 338 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: is being cleaned out? What is being brought to the 339 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: surface as an issue? Like what what way can I 340 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: participate in? And I don't have the answer, So I 341 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: have to lean into something higher, you know, like literally 342 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,239 Speaker 1: have no answers because if it was up to me, 343 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: I mean I'm angry or um, like how the fund 344 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: do you think that? You know, like it just comes 345 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: out and he's really volts away and like that's not 346 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: going to help that we've tried that for two years 347 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: and that is not helping. Um, well, everything that got 348 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: us into this is not going to get us out 349 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: of exactly Like, you can't keep doing the same thing 350 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 1: and expect a different result. That's the definition of insanity. 351 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: We know that. So um yeah, like it's just staying curious. Well, 352 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: let's let's just think of this a second. So where 353 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: is this coming from? So sev seventies six is when 354 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: this country was birth. So if we've made one complete 355 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: cycle of Pluto and it's coming back to its original 356 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,959 Speaker 1: position after two hundred and two hundred and sixty some 357 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 1: odd whatever years it is, we're we're confronting our past heritage, 358 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: our ancestors, just like epigenetics were confronting how this country 359 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: was built, the anger it was built upon, the chaos, 360 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: the war it was built on. All of that has 361 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:28,719 Speaker 1: to be assimilated, reconcitiled, and decide to move towards a 362 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: better future than what with birth this country. Wait, you 363 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: keep saying the word epigenetics, Can you say, wait, what 364 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: does that mean? Is that our DNA genetics are the 365 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: UH connectors running to our DNA that come directly from 366 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: the emotional experiences of our ancestors and how they handled life. 367 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: They're not part of the DNA, but they are can 368 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,199 Speaker 1: acted to the d N. A that we have to 369 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: make different uh, choices, have to make new perceptions than 370 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: our ancestors so that we overcome it. So when you 371 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: talk about because a lot of times when we're doing sessions, 372 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: you tell me, like, I'm ending a karmic cycle? Is 373 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: that include is that part of this? Or am I 374 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: as that too? Separate things? I don't Yeah, I don't 375 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 1: know the context of when I've said that to you. 376 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: I mean, we're all going through multiple cycles constantly. So 377 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: a karmic cycle would be something that I would see 378 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: in the chart that would be very significant, and you'd 379 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: be moving out of towards a past identification, a past 380 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 1: um lifetime of perceptions, perspectives of how you operated, into 381 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: a new perspective perception in a new way of operating. 382 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: I mean, let's just think about it as a job. 383 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: You leave one job or and it's painful, but then 384 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 1: you move in another direction and it even greater than 385 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,959 Speaker 1: it was before. See, and this is the way we 386 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 1: have to keep looking at this. Yes it's horrible right now, 387 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 1: but yes it will change because change is the only 388 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 1: constant in the universe. And if we could just you know, 389 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,679 Speaker 1: for forever, just get to take in at one moment 390 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: at a time. I just try to get people, hey, 391 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: just live one day at a time. Don't worry about tomorrow. 392 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: Just one day at a time. What is yours to 393 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: do today? It might be to take three naps a day. 394 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: Like me, It sounds amazing God living the life over there. 395 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 1: We have to go through uh drastic uphevil and transformation 396 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: to make permanent change. I mean, I feel that, and 397 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: I think this is happening for a lot of people 398 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: in my life. So I'm wondering if it's happening just 399 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: for everyone. But I feel it as a country, as 400 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: a world, and I feel it in my own personal life. 401 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: Like it seems like just this period hasn't it's not 402 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: leaving any stone unturned, like it is, just any place 403 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: in your life that needs to be confronted is going 404 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: to be revealed and it's time to do some rebuilding. 405 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: Well let's let's just take a simplistic example for a second. 406 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine if during this time, uh, 407 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: people were brought in to just staying in today? Yeah, 408 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: what if everybody just live for today and did the 409 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: best they could today. Wouldn't this whole mess be worth it? 410 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: What if we just got rid of the polarization within 411 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: the politics, wouldn't all this mess be worth it? Yes? 412 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: What if we got rid of all of this stupid 413 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: concepts as replacement theory and culture race orientation, all of 414 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: this abortion crap, all of this trying to control and 415 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: get power over people stuff, all of this immigration stuff. 416 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: How about the oil pioid crisis. People just got to 417 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: throw that off on the back burner. And that's the 418 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: number two reason for the economic downturn, because we're losing 419 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: twenty to thirty young men too in the workforce. Did 420 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: you read that demographic, uh democracy demographic that I sent you, Kelly, 421 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: you gotta dome. I missed that one. We had multiple 422 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: emails on this podcast. Okay, tell me more about that 423 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: because I clearly missed it. Well. I don't want to 424 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: get deeply into that because it takes us away from topic. 425 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: But the basic thing is is that, um, you know, 426 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:17,479 Speaker 1: we've got a economic crisis. That's probably uh you know, 427 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: most probably of people are unaware. I mean, you know, 428 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: basically as baby boomers are retiring and leaving the workforce. Well, 429 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: we're also losing We've lost quite a few women because 430 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: of the paradigm shift, and we're certainly losing of millions 431 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: and millions of men between the ages of twenty and 432 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: thirty moving into the workforce and you and and on 433 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: a full time basis and being productive. So that is 434 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: a uh, that's what's brewing at an even deeper level. 435 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: What do you mean we're losing people are dying. I'm confused. No, 436 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: we're losing. Well, your baby boomers are retiring. What did 437 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: the baby boomers do? We built tremendous wealth. When we 438 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: built that tremendous wealth, Now we've we're being very supportive 439 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: of our children, grand children, and so why do they 440 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: need to be go out? I see, I see, I see. 441 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: So the wealth, the wealth is making lazy people. M 442 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: and a lot of men are responsible for that. Yeah, 443 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: if you read that, if you read that report I 444 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: sent you, Uh, it's shocking. Okay, So yes, all of 445 00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: this stuff is going on party graphically, so as I missed. Uh, 446 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: let's let's run down your life real quick. So if 447 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: we can see make some of the connections set Pluto 448 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: changed in your life and went from from bad. Yeah, okay, 449 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: so here's what let's let's tell it. Let's clean people 450 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,239 Speaker 1: in on what's going on to Marv sent me an 451 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: email this morning and sent me these dates that was like, 452 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: look at these dates and write down what was happening 453 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: in your life because this is when Pluto what what 454 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: do we call this? Do we? I just this is 455 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: why I needed a word. We said the great Pluto returned. 456 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: But this is when Pluto is and what well, it 457 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: doesn't make any difference what it's it hit an energy 458 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: in your natal chart. Oh so this is personal to me, yes, 459 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: but everyone has different times when Pluto hits and okay, 460 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: so yeah, this is very personal to you. So we're 461 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: gonna dig into your garbage. Great, here we go. Oh 462 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: my god, when you were fourteen years old. And this 463 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: is the thing about a Pluto transit. It's two years 464 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: in and two years out. What does that mean? Well, 465 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: think about what let's go back to the macro cause 466 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: of this. Before before this year we started, we kicked off. 467 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: So that's two years in and here we are in 468 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: the middle of the crisis and it's going to take 469 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: is two years to start working out of it. Starting 470 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: in twenty three and twenty four. So in these dates 471 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: that you sent me, is it two years after Yeah? Okay, 472 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: so let's just pick one here. So you were fourteen 473 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: years old. That would have been some sort of event 474 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: that changed relationships, that changed somewhere status out in the world. 475 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: You could have went to another school at that age. 476 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:21,760 Speaker 1: What do you what do you recognize something of major 477 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: change around that age? Yeah, I mean that was the 478 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: hardest one for me because I was like, I don't 479 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: remember anything really drastic happening. I started high school that year. Okay, well, 480 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 1: how did you take the high school? It was good. 481 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: I mean, like at fourteen, when I'm really thinking back, 482 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, I was so awkward and 483 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: ugly and like insecure because I was real. I was 484 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: like basically the same height I am now, but like 485 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 1: twenty pounds lighter. I was super skinny and awkward and 486 00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: tall and just like not comfortable in my own skin. Um. 487 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: I started high school. I started playing basketball, like I mean, 488 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: I had started before that. I had started before that, though. 489 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: I started getting really good in high school. Okay, so 490 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: we know the words. You started a whole new identification process, 491 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: didn't you. Yeah, I think so probably. Okay, So what 492 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: did I say so that being in a teenager or 493 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,359 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you know, you felt, you know, 494 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: pretty awkward up to through seventh grade, and then you 495 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: go into high school and uh, that old identification of 496 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 1: the ganglio ugly Kelly now became more identified with basketball 497 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: and people started recognizing her a little more for her 498 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: basketball skills, which give you a little more confidence in 499 00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: yourself as an individual. True, Okay, And then like when 500 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about so what I just described as like 501 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: I would think I was like fourteen was maybe when 502 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,800 Speaker 1: I was starting to come out of my really awkward 503 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,320 Speaker 1: phase a little bit. So like the fifteen and sixteen 504 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 1: I was getting cuter. We'll just say, okay, was really unfortunate. 505 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: The point being is even as a teenager when this hits, 506 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, teenagers are not going to change 507 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,959 Speaker 1: so drastically and dramatically as an adult because you don't 508 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: have that much overlay of conditioning. But you can see 509 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: going in and then coming out. I'm I mean, it 510 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: would just be nashural assume that you became much more 511 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: self identified as you became a basketball player and people 512 00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: started recognizing you differently talking to you differently, So you 513 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: were building a whole new reality. Probably Let's move on, 514 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: how about it. Um, you were twenty one years old 515 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,799 Speaker 1: in two thousand three, which would have probably been some 516 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: sort of dramatic relationship or value changed at that point. Yes, 517 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: that one I did remember, because um, there was some 518 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,360 Speaker 1: family stuff I had going on, and the the big 519 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 1: thing I remember of that time was, UM, I mean 520 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: my parents were doing this out of like trying to 521 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 1: protect me and thinking this was better because I was 522 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: off at college, but they wouldn't tell me what was 523 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 1: happening until like way later, So then I would find 524 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: out all of this stuff had been happening that was 525 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: really bad and scary and um, but I wouldn't find 526 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,240 Speaker 1: out until later, And so I constantly had this feeling 527 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: of waiting for the other shoot to drop and just 528 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: like this living in fear of like something really bad 529 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: was going to happen. Um, I'm trying to be vague. 530 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: And so another another connected to that was in two 531 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: thousand and one, at ninety years old. Before that actual 532 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:16,399 Speaker 1: Pluto um venus, you had a Pluto squares the moon, 533 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:21,319 Speaker 1: So you started having family issues around nineteen years old, 534 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 1: that's yeah, that's probably yeah, I'm trying to think. I'm 535 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 1: sure I did. The other thing about that a lot 536 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: more emotional issues. Probably when you left high school that 537 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,359 Speaker 1: would have been a very emotional time for you. All 538 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:43,399 Speaker 1: of it was so my parents moved from Louisiana to Texas. Um, yes, 539 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: that would make sense in the other scenario that I 540 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: was talking about as being emotional. So this was like 541 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: also the first time I was on my own, and 542 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 1: that two thousand one, when I was nineteen years old 543 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,319 Speaker 1: is when I started drinking. And my family has such 544 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 1: a history of like alcoholism that that was a huge, 545 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: huge thing for me. It was like all my friends 546 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 1: drank in high school and stuff, and I didn't because 547 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 1: I was so nervous about it. Um. But it was 548 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 1: like kind of I remember feeling this pressure to like 549 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 1: be real secretive about it to my family, which is 550 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,239 Speaker 1: interesting with what I just said, because then they were 551 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,879 Speaker 1: being secretive with me. So there was a lot of 552 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 1: like secrets, family secrets. Well, is that is that something 553 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 1: like bringing up hidden issues in life? We just talked 554 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: about this going on in the country, all the hidden 555 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:37,879 Speaker 1: issues being brought up, And I bet you but time 556 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 1: you got to two thousand and six, which was twenty 557 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 1: four years old. That would have even been a very 558 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 1: spiritual renaissance, or it would have been a very big 559 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 1: time drinking that's correct, ding ding ming ding ding yep. 560 00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 1: And that would have changed your life quite significant until um, 561 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: probably two thousand and ten, with twenty eight years old, 562 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,799 Speaker 1: and you had to have some sort of come to 563 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,880 Speaker 1: come to Jesus meeting with yourself. It's so creepy, because yes, 564 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: that was that was so ten. I was. I found 565 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: out I was in I was in a relationship with 566 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 1: an addict who I didn't know it was an addict. 567 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:33,400 Speaker 1: I got engaged um shortly after that and canceled the wedding. 568 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,800 Speaker 1: But I, if we're speaking of just me, was very 569 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 1: out of touch with myself. It's when I started my 570 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: recovery and codependency. Always talk about the twelve step work 571 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,399 Speaker 1: I do, and that's when I started that. So as 572 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,759 Speaker 1: you started coming coming into more realization of all that 573 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: uh negative stuff that was going onto your life, did 574 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 1: you also come to a realization of how to better 575 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,800 Speaker 1: make your life? Oh my god, my life completely started 576 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 1: to change, Like who I was started to change. So 577 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 1: in two thousand eleven and two thousand and twelve, you 578 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: started coming more into a different kind of perspective perception, 579 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: especially around that thirty year old age where we all 580 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 1: have to get start getting serious about what we want 581 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 1: out of life. At thirty, my entire life, it was 582 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,319 Speaker 1: like the big excavation or whatever I mean, that was 583 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:38,800 Speaker 1: when I canceled the wedding completely, like shifted everything started 584 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 1: from very How you delved into that and then came 585 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 1: out of that into a much better person. Oh my god, 586 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,839 Speaker 1: I say all the time now, I'm so grateful for that, 587 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,480 Speaker 1: as it was the most painful experience of my entire life. 588 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,279 Speaker 1: But that explosion put me on this path, like I 589 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to even be here today doing this 590 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 1: stuff because I didn't have any sort of spiritual journey 591 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,720 Speaker 1: before that point, or I had when I was a kid, 592 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 1: but I went away from it in these years that 593 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:19,839 Speaker 1: we're talking about, and then this was a new kind 594 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,920 Speaker 1: of like road into that that was so much deeper 595 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,720 Speaker 1: and so much more like bringing me into my authentic self, 596 00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,120 Speaker 1: like having a relationship with myself that I would have 597 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 1: never had if I hadn't gone through all that bad stuff. 598 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,719 Speaker 1: So do you see how graphic and how dramatic, yes, 599 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:41,319 Speaker 1: and how painful. Yes, I did just was until you 600 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:45,279 Speaker 1: got to the other side and he had much more 601 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:51,040 Speaker 1: clarity and strength of who you are. Yes, yeah, And 602 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,359 Speaker 1: so the next time that we're going to look at 603 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 1: would have been um in two thousand and fifteen. So 604 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen would have been challenging in the way 605 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 1: that you wanted to build something, but it just didn't 606 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:13,319 Speaker 1: want to quite gel probably put you more into emotions 607 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 1: and passions so that you would have had to reconstruct 608 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:25,360 Speaker 1: you're the reality that you had. So really you began 609 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 1: to really start moving to where where you are right 610 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:35,760 Speaker 1: now because transition started in two thousand and fifteen, Yes, 611 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: it did, Marv. And I just realized how so I 612 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:44,720 Speaker 1: had started Velvet Sage with a partner and we built 613 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,760 Speaker 1: it like at the beginning together and I had such 614 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:53,560 Speaker 1: a such a an attachment to that connection. Like it 615 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 1: ended because she decided to go on a different path 616 00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:01,840 Speaker 1: with her work and personal life, and I was devastated, 617 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,880 Speaker 1: like I felt like this is the word, how in 618 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,480 Speaker 1: the world am I going to go on? Or you know, 619 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,600 Speaker 1: I felt so abandoned and all the emotions. It was 620 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:16,360 Speaker 1: so painful um. But then I continued on with Velvet's 621 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,360 Speaker 1: Edge by myself, and that was a big decision to 622 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 1: not just walk away like all of it, and all 623 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,399 Speaker 1: of it was so painful. I just remember it being 624 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,359 Speaker 1: like so painful and so confusing and not knowing where 625 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,160 Speaker 1: to go and um, but then just being like, no, 626 00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,400 Speaker 1: it doesn't feel right to let it go. So again, 627 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:40,080 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be here today if I hadn't, And like 628 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,320 Speaker 1: our path that we were building together was so different 629 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,040 Speaker 1: from this, like it wouldn't have been this, which feels 630 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,279 Speaker 1: like exactly where I'm supposed to be right now. Well, 631 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,439 Speaker 1: so you see, if we if we compare the two 632 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:59,080 Speaker 1: times when you when you when you were transitioning out 633 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:04,440 Speaker 1: of elementary school and feeling so you know, horrible about 634 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,799 Speaker 1: yourself into becoming a basketball player and starting to get 635 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,719 Speaker 1: athletic recognition and now all of a sudden you're coming 636 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,680 Speaker 1: into a time to where you're over identified with a partnership, 637 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,000 Speaker 1: how you're going to participate out in the world with 638 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:27,560 Speaker 1: leaning on other other people, to realizing that that you 639 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,799 Speaker 1: couldn't lean on other people, you had to do it 640 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,840 Speaker 1: for yourself. So you had to grow in your sense 641 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:39,400 Speaker 1: of um, stability and your sense of your own unique 642 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,640 Speaker 1: way of making your way in the world by yourself. 643 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:48,359 Speaker 1: And so that segues into two thousand and seventeen when 644 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:54,440 Speaker 1: you absolutely had to come into the emotional feelings and 645 00:45:54,560 --> 00:46:00,759 Speaker 1: structure and identity of who you are, and that would 646 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,520 Speaker 1: have brought in a uh, it would have been brought 647 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:09,200 Speaker 1: into an emotional security, stability, even a new self image 648 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,320 Speaker 1: when you broke free like that and became your own person. 649 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,759 Speaker 1: And now you're in that creative function at after you know, 650 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,839 Speaker 1: during those two years seventeen through nineteen to where now 651 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:27,680 Speaker 1: you're coming into a whole different reality. Guess what started 652 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,120 Speaker 1: during that period of time. Yeah, I know what started hearing. 653 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,319 Speaker 1: But you see, you see how we keep we keep 654 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:41,240 Speaker 1: happen to go through this transition and transformation of pain 655 00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,319 Speaker 1: and we keep growing out of it into a much 656 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:51,319 Speaker 1: greater self. And so that also challenge you to come 657 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 1: up with a lot of karmick understandings that just your 658 00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:00,680 Speaker 1: whole I mean, you can see now that a lot 659 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:05,400 Speaker 1: of your patterning had been about relying and and being 660 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:10,359 Speaker 1: supported by other people. And of course now as you've 661 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:16,200 Speaker 1: turned uh the way you turned forty this year, so 662 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:23,360 Speaker 1: you turned forty and so pluto sola art that uranus, 663 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,600 Speaker 1: which is the same thing you went through going to 664 00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:33,719 Speaker 1: high school and becoming more you were now coming into 665 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:41,520 Speaker 1: a much more independent, individualistic, self oriented person to now 666 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:45,960 Speaker 1: start moving your way in the world, uh, on your 667 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,960 Speaker 1: own two feet, on your own sense of self image 668 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:54,320 Speaker 1: and who you want, because you're no longer gangly, ugly, 669 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,360 Speaker 1: skinny and all of that. Now you're beautiful, quite charming, 670 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:09,839 Speaker 1: very intelligent. Thanks Marv. It's crazy because it's so accurate, 671 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:14,200 Speaker 1: like the timing stuff, and like you've been telling me 672 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,320 Speaker 1: for quite some time, like you're not going to care 673 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:21,040 Speaker 1: about that in a couple, like just stop because you're 674 00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:25,520 Speaker 1: going to be so independent and so vocal about my 675 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,680 Speaker 1: whatever I think, and all of it is happening exactly 676 00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,520 Speaker 1: like you said. It's crazy because it's like I literally 677 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,440 Speaker 1: don't give two ships about being in a relationship right now. 678 00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,480 Speaker 1: It is wild, Like I've never felt like that. I've 679 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,880 Speaker 1: always sort of been like that's been a huge focus 680 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,279 Speaker 1: of mine in my life, and I'm just like I 681 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,879 Speaker 1: just I don't know, I don't care, or it's like 682 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,440 Speaker 1: when something is happening, I'm finding my voice with people 683 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:58,800 Speaker 1: in a whole new way of just communication. Um yeah, 684 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:03,200 Speaker 1: and just like not needing to attach to anyone else 685 00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,359 Speaker 1: or to have anyone else tell me what I need 686 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,480 Speaker 1: to be doing with my life. I'm like feeling my 687 00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:13,640 Speaker 1: way through it and it feels so different. So that's 688 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:19,279 Speaker 1: a Pluto translence. Yeah, how beautiful is that energy. It's 689 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,080 Speaker 1: so beautiful and especially beautiful because it feels so much 690 00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:27,080 Speaker 1: more true to like who I actually am. And so 691 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,480 Speaker 1: when we look at the when we look at the 692 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,960 Speaker 1: chaos of the world right now, and we realize that's 693 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:37,320 Speaker 1: how Pluto works, because that light in your burden of 694 00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:41,520 Speaker 1: looking out there and seeing all the pain it does. Well. 695 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,719 Speaker 1: I have had some sort of outlook of I know 696 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,960 Speaker 1: this stuff has to go, that's why it's coming up. 697 00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,239 Speaker 1: But I think there's a part of me that's been 698 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,160 Speaker 1: like I'm gonna cut and run, like I'm moving to 699 00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,520 Speaker 1: Australia or something like I gotta get the funk out 700 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:59,200 Speaker 1: of here. Um Whereas like, realistically, I don't think that's 701 00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:04,880 Speaker 1: the right answer. But yeah, my hope for our country 702 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,720 Speaker 1: is that all of this stuff coming to the surface 703 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:13,280 Speaker 1: is going to help us evolve into a much greater, kinder, 704 00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:18,040 Speaker 1: more loving place that we could have never been if 705 00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:24,480 Speaker 1: we hadn't lost this stuff. Right, So what we've had 706 00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:29,600 Speaker 1: to learn today is that loss doesn't mean the end 707 00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:36,919 Speaker 1: of the world. Right, means we're going through a transformational 708 00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:42,759 Speaker 1: process to become something more. So guess what Guess what 709 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:47,680 Speaker 1: animal is ruled by this? Uh? If I was going 710 00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,680 Speaker 1: to guess, I'd be like a butterfly like cattle, know, 711 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:59,879 Speaker 1: snake a snake, Yes, it sheds its skin, Okay, try 712 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:05,279 Speaker 1: its forms into a new situation. Yes, okay, because I 713 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,279 Speaker 1: was gonna say a butterfly like you know, because it 714 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:12,920 Speaker 1: starts as a caterpillar, same idea though, shutting its skin. Yeah, Okay, 715 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:18,399 Speaker 1: we're evolving, hopefully exactly what happens? Okay? So like that 716 00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,640 Speaker 1: this is our opportunity to let go and look at 717 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:26,000 Speaker 1: the places where we can grow and evolve. What if 718 00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,680 Speaker 1: there's some energies of like people are fighting that what 719 00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:34,440 Speaker 1: what does that look like? Well, when you fight Pluto, 720 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:39,680 Speaker 1: when you fight and resist the change and transformation, it 721 00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:46,319 Speaker 1: brings greater pain until you let go, okay, and the 722 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,440 Speaker 1: pain can become very very interesting. It could kill you. 723 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,400 Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is energy. I mean it 724 00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,759 Speaker 1: rules scorpio it rules the house of death. Yeah, I don't. 725 00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:03,000 Speaker 1: It's a death of one and the rebirth of another self, 726 00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:07,560 Speaker 1: but it I mean, it's rarely a physical death, But 727 00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,480 Speaker 1: I mean, think of it metaphorically. What we're going through 728 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,240 Speaker 1: is the death of a country. What you went through 729 00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:17,239 Speaker 1: at fourteen and all those dates were the death of 730 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,759 Speaker 1: an old you, and it was painful. And when you 731 00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,520 Speaker 1: when you had to go, when you moved through the pain, 732 00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,719 Speaker 1: it became a better you, and it will become a 733 00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,799 Speaker 1: better country. And the only way to move through it 734 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:37,160 Speaker 1: is letting go, letting go surrender. Why is surrender? It 735 00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,080 Speaker 1: sounds like the easiest thing in the world, and then 736 00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,319 Speaker 1: once you actually do it, it sort of is. But 737 00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:46,680 Speaker 1: why is it? Like what your ego is? It's the ego, okay, 738 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:53,840 Speaker 1: It's what you're trying to dominate and separate from your maker. 739 00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:59,000 Speaker 1: And it's painful. It is painful when you listen to 740 00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:05,200 Speaker 1: the ego instead listened to your intuition. It's painful because 741 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,480 Speaker 1: the ego is only going to want what it wants 742 00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,719 Speaker 1: when it wants it m And that's not necessarily going 743 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:19,000 Speaker 1: to be good, never has been for me or anybody else. Yeah, 744 00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,040 Speaker 1: I just can list off. About every bad thing that's 745 00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,160 Speaker 1: happened in my life has come from me trying to 746 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:29,279 Speaker 1: drive the bus like my ego trying to get what 747 00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,200 Speaker 1: it wants and not listening to my intuition. We have 748 00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:37,440 Speaker 1: to be exposed to the disease, Yeah, and then we 749 00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,960 Speaker 1: can heal it when we let go. So we've got 750 00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,960 Speaker 1: to let go of the old paradigm. We got to 751 00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:48,120 Speaker 1: let go of the old conversation of what was the 752 00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:53,480 Speaker 1: old attachments, let go of the attachment. Stop hanging on 753 00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:59,520 Speaker 1: to oh when it gets back like it was New York. 754 00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,560 Speaker 1: The only thing to do is to stay in the moment, 755 00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:13,799 Speaker 1: develop a new, new and greater understanding of today. I 756 00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:18,160 Speaker 1: believe it will be better, Like I believe, well, I 757 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:22,439 Speaker 1: just believe that the like it works if you work 758 00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,800 Speaker 1: it kind of thing. Like, it's just like I've experienced life. 759 00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,319 Speaker 1: When I let go, when I surrender, when I learn 760 00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,520 Speaker 1: a new way, when I find a new tool, when 761 00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:36,400 Speaker 1: I choose something different, it's always better. It's just always better. 762 00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,600 Speaker 1: But I go kicking and screaming every time, like I 763 00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,440 Speaker 1: don't like to let go of the attachments I have. Um. 764 00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:50,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, I wasn't always a pacid person either. Kelly 765 00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:56,359 Speaker 1: kill I know, I know, you're char I've had a 766 00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:02,880 Speaker 1: lot of pain in my li kicking, screaming, you knowing, writing, 767 00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:08,279 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I mean, but everybody goes through this. 768 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:12,440 Speaker 1: This is what life is about to become better than 769 00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:16,040 Speaker 1: what you were. And we're going through it individually and 770 00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:21,120 Speaker 1: as a whole right now, Yes, and very dynamically. I 771 00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,319 Speaker 1: should say, yeah, we're I mean, you know, because we're 772 00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,399 Speaker 1: experiencing it on the macro casm right now. I mean, 773 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,560 Speaker 1: you know, some people are doing okay, they don't have 774 00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,640 Speaker 1: a Pluto transit going on, but a lot of people 775 00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:38,160 Speaker 1: are not doing okay. Uh maybe. I mean, you've got 776 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:42,360 Speaker 1: to understand there's eight other energies in the solar system 777 00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:46,640 Speaker 1: that you have to look at and evaluate. So it 778 00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:51,080 Speaker 1: just isn't happening on one level. It's happening on multiple levels. 779 00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,120 Speaker 1: And so you know, I thought it was. It was 780 00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,640 Speaker 1: pretty fun when I did it with a client on Friday, 781 00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,000 Speaker 1: and it was pretty fun doing it with you. It's 782 00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:08,680 Speaker 1: interesting because how you know going forward? Yeah, it also 783 00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,319 Speaker 1: just makes it less scary when you're I think, because 784 00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,400 Speaker 1: I think a lot of times we're not a thing. 785 00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,120 Speaker 1: I know a lot of times are all the time 786 00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,520 Speaker 1: when things are leaving, it's just my fear kicks in 787 00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,120 Speaker 1: because it's like the unknown, you know, or like, oh god, 788 00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,960 Speaker 1: what is that loss? Like it leaves this empty space 789 00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,680 Speaker 1: and what I'm what is going to take its space 790 00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,600 Speaker 1: or take its place? And um, and that's scary as 791 00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,880 Speaker 1: a human who wants to be in control, which is 792 00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:39,440 Speaker 1: very much living in the ego place. But um, I 793 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,920 Speaker 1: think when I can look back, and especially if I 794 00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,640 Speaker 1: see these different points of my life where it's the 795 00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:49,120 Speaker 1: thing has been happening, it's not so scary because I 796 00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,200 Speaker 1: know the outcome has always been so much greater. All right, 797 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,439 Speaker 1: well this was really amazing. Thank you so much, Mare 798 00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:59,560 Speaker 1: for being here. Are you there? I was, okay, We're 799 00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:04,120 Speaker 1: we have had some major internet issues today, but mercury 800 00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:09,000 Speaker 1: retro grade added to the list. Nothing changes your perspective 801 00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:14,440 Speaker 1: like a mercury retro grade. Amen of that. This one 802 00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,240 Speaker 1: has been wild with all those eclipses too, I mean 803 00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,920 Speaker 1: it has been I've been just like dying laughing, like 804 00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:25,840 Speaker 1: something will happen. I'm like, of course, of course. Anyway, 805 00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:27,920 Speaker 1: I actually loved what we did today, and so if 806 00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:29,880 Speaker 1: people want to do that with you can you tell 807 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,320 Speaker 1: them where they would reach you to kind of tell 808 00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,600 Speaker 1: them to talk them through their Pluto where it's hit 809 00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,560 Speaker 1: them in their charge. They can visit my website at 810 00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:42,440 Speaker 1: astro marv dot com where they can reach out to 811 00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:48,320 Speaker 1: me through email Marvin at astro marv dot com. Okay, 812 00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,240 Speaker 1: and I'll put all of this in the show notes 813 00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,840 Speaker 1: to in the description, so you guys can go hit 814 00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,120 Speaker 1: them up. I always suggest readings with Marv. You know, 815 00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,800 Speaker 1: it's my favorite thing. So um, hit them up. Learn 816 00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:02,720 Speaker 1: about your chart and your pluto. And that was really exciteful. 817 00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:08,400 Speaker 1: It's really learned about your life a charge. Look at that. 818 00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,040 Speaker 1: I wish I'll could see a space saying this right now. 819 00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:18,400 Speaker 1: It's just so simple, isn't it. Marv? All right, Marv, 820 00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,960 Speaker 1: we love you, Thank you for being here. All right, 821 00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,160 Speaker 1: I love you, Thank you for having me. 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