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Speaker 1: Welcome to the fiftieth Annual Around the NFL Fantasy Extravaganza

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Speaker 1: with special guests The Big Fish, Evan Silva, Mike Florio,

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Speaker 1: and Marcus Grant of NFL Fantasy Live. Yeah, Matt Harmon,

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Speaker 1: Greg brick By Brick Rosenthal, Hell Yeah, roto Pat Patrick

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Speaker 1: Garney and also Mark is here since that's predictable. And

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Speaker 1: now your host and two time League up record champion

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Speaker 1: Dan hands Is Thank you me you have braw Carnal Charisma. Welcome,

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Speaker 1: Yes to the fifty one annual Around the NFL Fantasy Extravaganza. Yes,

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Speaker 1: excitement is in the air. It's the final week of August,

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Speaker 1: which means your fantasy football draft is right around the corner,

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Speaker 1: or it should be. We are here to ensure that

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Speaker 1: by the end of this episode, there's only one thing

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Speaker 1: left to do. Just like Jake Taylor said in Major

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Speaker 1: League when the whole thing whoa sitting so I left.

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Speaker 1: He's famously put in the work to make triple G

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Speaker 1: purposes of today's show, he's tripled b brick By Brick Rosenthal, Greg,

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Speaker 1: Fantasy is a life you left behind. But I know

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Speaker 1: it's still inside well I left behind to come with you,

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Speaker 1: here with you and make a new life. And Daddy's

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Speaker 1: happy second marriages with Greg Rosenthal. But a new generation

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Speaker 1: starting like my sons, started to get into fantasy. And

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Speaker 1: that's that's how you that's how you build a legacy

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Speaker 1: the next generation and sitting to Triple Bees left as

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Speaker 1: a man who risked his life on the fantasy corner

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Speaker 1: for years, but now calls the safe confines of the

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling podcast studio his home. He's on the show today,

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Speaker 1: it's Mark Sessler, Mark butter plus absolutely because I think

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Speaker 1: you know, from a listeners standpoint, this is a signature,

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Speaker 1: perhaps the biggest show of the year for many people

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Speaker 1: does it a little weird? Biggest show of the year,

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Speaker 1: and your role is always a little I think Dan

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Speaker 1: uh Like obviously enjoyed writing the intro to the show

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Speaker 1: there and um, I'm not surprised by how I was

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Speaker 1: treated within the intro. He loved writing fantasy. It's like, yes,

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Speaker 1: this is you know, they say, don't mess with other

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Speaker 1: people's money. That's what the show is about for us.

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Speaker 1: We're messing with your money, but we're not messing with it.

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Speaker 1: We're protecting it. We're taking that investment that you know

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Speaker 1: off the books, not anything of issue with Uncle Sam

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Speaker 1: investment in your league. Maybe the investment is just for fun.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you're doing in your league. If

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Speaker 1: that's the case. Uh, And we're gonna turn that into

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Speaker 1: a profit if you listen to our guests, because we have,

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Speaker 1: as you heard in the intro, with that raw bursting charisma,

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Speaker 1: carnal sexuality from our host narrator, this is going to

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Speaker 1: be what is this going to continue? All show? We

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Speaker 1: have a who's who, and because we have so many

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Speaker 1: great guests, we can't waste any more time. This is

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Speaker 1: the Fantasy this is the fifty second Fantasy Extravaganza. It's

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Speaker 1: time to welcome in our first guest. He's a man

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Speaker 1: who used to be a colleague of ours, but now

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Speaker 1: he's doing his own thing. He's killing it. He's got

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Speaker 1: his own website, reception, perception, he knows all fantasy ball.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk wide receivers with him because that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Bring and Matt Harmon, Welcome me, Harmon, unbelievable, there is

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Speaker 1: there he is. Oh, he's looking swollen, newly married. He

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Speaker 1: always spent a lot of money on his hair, and

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Speaker 1: he's still you can tell it's looking good. It's a

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Speaker 1: it's a challenger to what's going on with Dan. No.

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Speaker 1: I'll say this, boys, this is probably um the first

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Speaker 1: time all over the last two months, I've I've done

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Speaker 1: my hair. The hair. The hair is over. I'm a

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Speaker 1: I'm a hat guy. Now. Oh you're into cat realm. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: well you've had a two month long hat head. That's concerning.

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Speaker 1: I mean you're married now, yes, how is married life?

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Speaker 1: the luckiest. Things are great. Uh, she's the best personal

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Speaker 1: playing earth, very supportive of Look at that the absurd

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Speaker 1: amount of time I put into the wide receiver games,

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Speaker 1: so that that was kind of the thing, right, Like

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Speaker 1: the reception perception things. Right, your into receivers we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk receivers, you have the site reception perception. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk more fantasy. But what some people don't know, and

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Speaker 1: maybe even you, guys um forgot about this test us Um,

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Speaker 1: is that Matt Harmon was on our show one time before.

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Speaker 1: But it wasn't in the studio, and it wasn't as

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Speaker 1: a member of NFL media. It was as a call

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Speaker 1: in contestant on one of the very first episodes of

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Speaker 1: When West's Toaster back in two thousand and thirteen. Justin

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Speaker 1: let's let's listen to this. Do we have someone on

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Speaker 1: the line that could take West On? We do? And

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be so so confident. No, you do your studying,

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Speaker 1: but prepared for now on the phone is a true contender.

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Speaker 1: Matt Harmon. Beware, Hey Matt that Harmon? Are you doing?

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Speaker 1: How you doing? Welcome to the Run League podcast that

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Speaker 1: I am from Virginia. Who's your team? Roll? That's a

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Speaker 1: complicated question. That's out of six after the show from

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Speaker 1: that West. This is a big day for Chris Werestling. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it was your victory speech ahead. Well, you know what

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Speaker 1: the Toaster is mine and keeping it earned it and

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Speaker 1: no one else can have it. Matt, whoa, what is

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Speaker 1: this seduction Wednesday? Like that? Wow? Unbelievable And uh, you

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Speaker 1: know Chris westling round to the applause for you know,

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Speaker 1: always defending that title with honor and even when he

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Speaker 1: lost the toaster, West was a man of integrity. Matt,

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Speaker 1: that is amazing. I had no idea. Yeah, I was

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Speaker 1: a huge fan of the show at the time, and

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Speaker 1: a huge fan of West specifically. Sorry guys, mean you're

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Speaker 1: you're right too, But yeah, that was awesome. I mean

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Speaker 1: was amazing. That was our first season that Wast Your Panthers.

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Speaker 1: We had a different name as a podcast, and uh,

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Speaker 1: it was a controversial episode because we had on we

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Speaker 1: you you got, you got robbed. Three Hammond Eggers that

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Speaker 1: the wide receiver group. Uh. For fantasy heads out there,

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Speaker 1: last year, people that drafted Cooper Cup, and I feel

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Speaker 1: times is somebody really gonna win the Triple Crown twice.

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Speaker 1: Probably not gonna happen. But I love the Cooper Cup example,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's he's got the most hyper unique role too,

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Speaker 1: So I think you can like, he doesn't go out

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Speaker 1: big slot receiver zone beater, and now he's gotten probably

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Speaker 1: an even bigger quarterback upgrade than Jared Goff to Matthew Stafford,

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Speaker 1: like the ghost of Ben Roethlisberger to Patrick Mahomes is

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Speaker 1: I think it's Michael Pittman this year for sure. I

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Speaker 1: It's like Matt was ahead of the game. I feel

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Speaker 1: see it year after year. There there's so much depth

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Speaker 1: Jefferson and Chase and I'd throw digs and atoms and

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Speaker 1: I'm charting routes and all that for for reception perception,

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Speaker 1: I'm with you, Greg. I think all those guys are

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Speaker 1: To me see it boggles the mind, like take take

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Speaker 1: then the slow start and you're losing. Then someone else

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Speaker 1: catches in on that lotto ticket. Um, all right, Matt Harmon, Man,

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Speaker 1: we could talk for another hour with you, but we

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Speaker 1: have such a a jam pack show. But you were

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Speaker 1: a perfect leadoff man. Here check out Matt on Twitter

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Speaker 1: at Matt Harmon you of course, Matt, you could find

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Speaker 1: it Yahoo Fantasy. Uh. And of course his reception perceptions

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Speaker 1: that what you, by the way, call RP. Just throwing

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Speaker 1: it out there. That's great i P. Intellectual pro pretty

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Speaker 1: that you created and hopefully you leverage that into multi

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Speaker 1: millionaire steps eventually fingers crossed a branding whiz. Here is

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Speaker 1: all right, Matt Harmon, thank you very much. Appreciate it, guys,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. All right, there goes. Matt will

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Speaker 1: be right back with more very special guests. The fifties

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Speaker 1: second Annual Fantasy Extravagunz. We are back. The Extravaganza rolls

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Speaker 1: on with some very special guests joining us in studio

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Speaker 1: right here, colleagues from the NFL Fantasy Game Marcus Grant,

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Speaker 1: Mike Florio, Welcome to around the NFL. This music, it

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Speaker 1: sounds like it sounds like something from like an Apple

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Speaker 1: TV space epic produced by Tom Hankton. You know, something

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Speaker 1: gets all like all kind of loan from the critics,

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Speaker 1: but like no one you know and real life I've

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Speaker 1: ever seen it. Absolutely, what is up, Mike Florio? First

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Speaker 1: time long tixt time? Yeah, first time, long time. We're

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Speaker 1: assuming a long time. I'm not sure that, yes, very

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Speaker 1: long time. I'm just happy to be here with you guys. Um.

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Speaker 1: You guys are with the NFL Fantasy Live Gang here

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Speaker 1: at NFL Network, also the podcast and anywhere else you

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Speaker 1: find the content for NFL Fantasy, you will see Marcus

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Speaker 1: and Mike prominently involved with the rest of the gang.

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Speaker 1: And I think because we have you guys together, I

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Speaker 1: think it would be fun to get into a little

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Speaker 1: debate type you know this This Trying cast started as

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Speaker 1: the a t L debate Clube did. How about a

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Speaker 1: little debate between Mike and Mark Trying. That's what the

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Speaker 1: show is mostly about. We like to create artificial conflict.

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Speaker 1: That space is it is it? Actually, it's a good

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Speaker 1: way to Um. I want to start because this one's

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Speaker 1: juicy to me. Let's move We just talked wide receivers

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Speaker 1: with your former colleague Matt Harmon. Let's talk running backs.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk Ezekiel Elliott, who is polarizing bond beyond belief.

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Speaker 1: Once upon a time, a couple of years ago, this

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Speaker 1: guy's a top five pick and fantasy drafts. Now it

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Speaker 1: feels like it swung the other way and many people

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Speaker 1: see him as washes and someone to stay away from.

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Speaker 1: Where do you come down on this one, Marcus? I

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Speaker 1: want to be washed to the tune of being the

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Speaker 1: RB seven last year? Which is which is? Which is

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Speaker 1: what he was? Um? I feel like tales of Ezekiel

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Speaker 1: Elliott's demise are greatly exaggerated. Uh, this is a guy

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Speaker 1: who looks I know the talk that he didn't have

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Speaker 1: the burst, he didn't have the acceleration. He also was

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Speaker 1: playing injured for a good chunk of the year last year.

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Speaker 1: Fantasy Twitter has put Tony Pollard in the Cowboys ring

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Speaker 1: of honor. Um, you know, and I don't. I don't

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Speaker 1: quite see it. I still think I still think Zeke

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Speaker 1: has a lot left. Plus everything the Cowboys have told

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Speaker 1: us this offseason says they still want him to be

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Speaker 1: the workhorse back. Uh, they still want to give him,

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Speaker 1: you know, two D seventy five touches, and I feel

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Speaker 1: like there aren't many running backs that you can draft

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Speaker 1: that's still have that sort of touch share. So I'm

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Speaker 1: still in on Zeke. I will certainly take the gladly

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Speaker 1: take the discount. He's coming off the board in the

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Speaker 1: third round, so I will gladly draft him there. I

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Speaker 1: think it's discount. It's still pretty early. It is still

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Speaker 1: pretty early, but it's a discount compared to you know,

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Speaker 1: in Zeke's past, when you were talking about him as

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Speaker 1: easily you know, a first round guy. Uh, it's it's

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Speaker 1: and I feel like it's gone up. Actually, I feel

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Speaker 1: like it was fourth fifth round earlier this summer. So

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Speaker 1: I will gladly draft him in the third round. You know,

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Speaker 1: if I'm going to wide receivers early, I'll make him

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Speaker 1: my first running back. I'm totally happy with that. Mike,

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Speaker 1: does this sound like madness to you? Uh? So? The

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Speaker 1: one issue with the fact that me and Marcus talk

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Speaker 1: fantasy football all day long is that you know, some

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Speaker 1: of his opinions rub off on me and Marcus a

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Speaker 1: Zeke believer, but third round is too early for me.

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Speaker 1: Uh The thing with Zeke is the last couple of years,

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Speaker 1: like last year he finishes the RB seven, but I

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Speaker 1: believe in an individual week he was a top seven

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Speaker 1: running back one time. So he's kind of like a

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Speaker 1: volume dependent guy who at the end of the year

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Speaker 1: you're gonna be like, oh wow, he greatly exceeded his

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Speaker 1: A D p UM. But I just if I'm taking

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Speaker 1: someone in the third round, I'm a sucker for upside,

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Speaker 1: So I think like E. T N and Breece Hall

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Speaker 1: would be more than running backs that that I go

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Speaker 1: for there, because my my concern with Zeke is if

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Speaker 1: that volume starts to dwindle, whether they start passing more

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Speaker 1: or Tony Pollard does eat into that workload, I think

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Speaker 1: then he'll struggle to return RB one value. But luckily

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Speaker 1: for Marcus and people drafting him, you do not have

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Speaker 1: to take him as an RB one. When I saw

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Speaker 1: that you had a Breefe Hall above him, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Jets are a projection entirely on offense too. I

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Speaker 1: just I found that spicy that that's that was that

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Speaker 1: you're a bit of an outlier on that front. I

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Speaker 1: I give me all the Breefe all over, Zeek. That's

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Speaker 1: what I guess bad boys do. We have a much

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Speaker 1: cooler Floria. I'll say this that like what Marcus is saying.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if I'm taking him in the

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Speaker 1: third round, but I see what you're saying because he

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Speaker 1: if he was playing through a partially touring PCL last

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Speaker 1: year in his knee. Okay, the fact that he ended

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Speaker 1: up RB seven, that's kind of impressive and be I

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Speaker 1: totally buy into. Sometimes on the Owner slash GM, like

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Speaker 1: Jerry Jones, even on the only one, Jerry Jones says

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Speaker 1: to the media, Oh, he's still our guy. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: be our bell cow Is like when Jared says it financially,

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Speaker 1: he has reasons for it. So I think he's telling

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Speaker 1: his head coach, the owner, he is our guy. Make

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Speaker 1: it worth gonna say. Is he telling it to us

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Speaker 1: as fans of the media, or is he is he

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Speaker 1: speaking to Mike McCarthy. This is not Georgia Frontier issuing fantasy.

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Speaker 1: Mike Florio, how about the quarterback position? I love you

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Speaker 1: want to talk about spicy takes. Mike Florio hates Patrick

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Speaker 1: partially because I'm a Bills fan. Okay, I understand that.

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Speaker 1: I understand that out of the those twelve seconds, probably

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Speaker 1: why you why do you think that Patrick Mahomes is

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Speaker 1: someone that are you saying people should stay away from

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. I'm not saying you should stay away from him.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he should be going as a top

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Speaker 1: three quarterback like he is in most fantasy drafts. And

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Speaker 1: my reason is one I I think, of all non quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill is the most influential offensive player in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: Like he opens up so much for everyone else. And

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Speaker 1: I think Patrick Mahomes will be fine with Juju and

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Speaker 1: sky Moore and all those guys they brought in, But

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna have someone that could take

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Speaker 1: a tanyard pass eighty yards or someone that will consistently

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Speaker 1: be opened downfield and just create a lot more room underneath.

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Speaker 1: But also the biggest thing is that the five guys

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Speaker 1: I have ahead of him, Alan Herbert, uh Kyler, Mury,

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts, they all run a lot more

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Speaker 1: than Patrick Mahomes does. And in fantasy football like that

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Speaker 1: is kind of like a cheat code getting a running

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Speaker 1: back quarterback who can run like that. So I think

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Speaker 1: he will be a QB one I just think the

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Speaker 1: five guys that I have ahead of him have a

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Speaker 1: easier path to being the best quarterback and fantasy than

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Speaker 1: Mahomes does. Why do you hate like Florio as a

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Speaker 1: person just because I mean, how do you how do

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Speaker 1: you how do you spit on Patrick Mahomes like that?

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Speaker 1: I mean it's like it's like putting catch up on

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Speaker 1: a state. Wait, that's not probably not a good analogy

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Speaker 1: as my Homes, right, Um, I still believe in Mahomes.

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Speaker 1: I still have him as a top three quarterback for me,

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Speaker 1: and I sort of looked like for you, uh, for me,

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Speaker 1: I think you're still talking about the fourth round, which

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Speaker 1: is weird, Like I will probably never have Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 1: because of where you have to draft him. I'm not

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Speaker 1: I'm not ready to draft a quarterback at that spot

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Speaker 1: just yet. Um, but I still believe. I think in

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Speaker 1: a weird way, maybe not having Tyreek Hill helps him out.

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Speaker 1: And I always go back to some of early career

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Speaker 1: Drew Brees right where it was hard to peg a

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Speaker 1: Saint's wide receiver maybe outside of Marcus Colston that you

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Speaker 1: really wanted, but you knew Drew Brees was gonna be

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Speaker 1: a top five guy, because he was spreading the ball

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Speaker 1: around to a whole bunch of players. Mahomes has been

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Speaker 1: amazing pretty much just funneling the ball to Travis Kelsey

588
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: and Tyreek Hill. Now he's got Kelsey, Now he's got Juju.

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Speaker 1: I think Veldez Scantling makes some plays. I think sky

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Speaker 1: More kind of slides in there. And whether or not

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Speaker 1: he's throwing it, you know, take your running back pick right,

592
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Speaker 1: if it's Clyde Edwards a layer, if it's Isaiah Pacheco,

593
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Speaker 1: who has become a fantasy hipster pick. Now, I think

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Speaker 1: there's a lot more places to go with the football.

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Speaker 1: And I know we all love the quarterbacks who can run,

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Speaker 1: and those are the guys we love in the top five.

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Speaker 1: The other way to be a top five quarterback is

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Speaker 1: to be insanely efficient, which is what we've seen out

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Speaker 1: of Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers. If there's anybody who

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Speaker 1: can slide into that, I think it's Patrick Mahomes. And

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Speaker 1: maybe maybe having a wider selection of targets means he's

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Speaker 1: not playing hero ball as much. Maybe he's not forcing

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Speaker 1: it and some of those those throws we saw last

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Speaker 1: year that ended up his interceptions maybe they turn into

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Speaker 1: completions and touchdowns and we see Patrick Mahomes still finish,

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Speaker 1: you know, the top three guy, Like where where are you?

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Speaker 1: Floria on? And when to take these quarterbacks generally because

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Speaker 1: it is confusing, I think taking a step back and

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Speaker 1: like looking at the drop off at running back for instance,

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Speaker 1: Like at first, there there's all these great players Kamara,

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Speaker 1: I like the sa Quan bounce back idea, you know,

612
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Speaker 1: uh chub Aaron Jones. Those are like second round type

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Speaker 1: of guys, maybe Joe Mixing. And then it's like Zekiel

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Speaker 1: Elliott and Cam Akers and James Conner and e t

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Speaker 1: n and Josh Jacobs and there like third and fourth

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Speaker 1: round guys, and it's like are they that good at

617
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: like playing football? Like which is is a factor because

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00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: you start losing touches and everything. And then you can

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Speaker 1: compare that to guys like Lamar or Jalen Hurts or

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Speaker 1: Kyler and like quarterbacks that to me, our money in

621
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Speaker 1: the bank will get running back like like that will

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Speaker 1: get running value for you, and like and or the

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Speaker 1: receivers that are available there. It just feels to me

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Speaker 1: and and and tell me if I'm wrong, like these

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00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: mediocre running backs are really getting pushed up the board. Yeah. That,

626
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Speaker 1: and we like to call it like the RB dead zone,

627
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: which is where like people start just pulling up running

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Speaker 1: backs because they're like, oh my god, all the good

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Speaker 1: running backs are gone, now I need one, So they're

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Speaker 1: just gonna leave other positions like good talent on the board.

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Speaker 1: But I do agree with Marcus, like Mahomes fourth round

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Speaker 1: is about is about right. But just because quarterback is

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Speaker 1: so deep, I'd rather take a receiver or I'd probably

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Speaker 1: avoid those running backs, he said. But I'll take like

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Speaker 1: a receiver there or something, and I'll just get a

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Speaker 1: quarterback a little bit later. I do say, though, by

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Speaker 1: the way I think, and I say this every summer,

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Speaker 1: I think we are in line for kind of a

639
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Speaker 1: rethinking of quarterback scoring because if we all believe that

640
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen is great or Patrick Mahomes is great, I

641
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: don't believe it should be a strategic disadvantage to draft

642
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Speaker 1: those guys. And that's sort of where we are right now,

643
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: and I think we need to figure out something. Unless

644
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: you do a QB two QB league, I don't even

645
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: that's how you play the spart in modern time. But

646
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think that does it either.

647
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: I think what that does is create scarcity. I don't

648
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: think I don't think it separates the elites from the mediocres.

649
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: I think it just creates scarcity. Like we need to

650
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: be in a world where we live in a world

651
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: right now where Jameis Winston can throw and end up

652
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: as a top five quarterback and that's just not that's

653
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: just not kosher to me. So uh, you know, whether

654
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: it's turn into league winners though that they do all

655
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: the time, like Lamar is a league. I think Jalen

656
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: Hurts will be a league winner this year if you like,

657
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: just take him in the fourth round instead of these

658
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: six times you've got Aaron Rodgers Mike down at I

659
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: find that intriguing too. I trust him to produce. I

660
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: joked that this is the first time ever that his

661
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: Fantasy ranking is higher than his number. The thing is,

662
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: he lost Avante Adams and he doesn't run at all,

663
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: and he's been a quarterback who's been relying on like

664
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: being uber efficient the last couple of years, and with

665
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: his receiving room, I know he's great. He's Aaron Rodgers.

666
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: He's been on a spiritual journey and all that. I

667
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: don't know if he's gonna be able to do that.

668
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: Also know, I would say is very intricate, not unlike

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Speaker 1: his his his nice he his artist gets paid a

670
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Speaker 1: lot of money. I'm sure he's also like the back

671
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: to back reigning m VPS thirty eight, is he just

672
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: gonna just win m v P every year at this point?

673
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: Maybe he would be a guy I would stay away from.

674
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: I want to throw I want to throw this name

675
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: out here, and I like, I am not an expert

676
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: like you guys, but I play the game I have.

677
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: In my League of rec hear the second overall pick,

678
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: you said you were a two time record, not in

679
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: that league. Like as you said, it almost sounded like

680
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: you won the around the NFL league. There's no such thing. Yeah,

681
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: this is the League of Record, going back to it

682
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: with some chums from the late nineties. But I'm saying,

683
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: in my League of Record of the second overall pick,

684
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say three words, Christian McCaffrey. Help. I mean,

685
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,959
Speaker 1: I'm fine with it there, And I understand what Christian

686
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: McAffrey last year. No, I get it. I understand if

687
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey is there at too. I'm taking McCaffrey um

688
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: just because, look, one running back is especially fragile. Any

689
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: guy can get hurt pretty much at any time. But

690
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: when healthy, there aren't many guys who play the same

691
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: number of snaps and get the same number of touches

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00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: that Christian McCaffrey is going to get. And you have

693
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: to think that Floria and I talked about is you

694
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: know what happens if they decide to maybe ease off

695
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: and give him a few more touches. And my responses,

696
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: Matt Rule has announced a self present vation. He's going

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00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 1: to ride Christian McCaffrey because he is the best player

698
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: on that team. So you know, I would say they

699
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: would rest him if this was a team that was

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00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: locked in to make the playoffs and they just wanted

701
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: to keep him healthy until January. Matt Rule wants to

702
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: make sure he has a job this time next year,

703
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: and so as long as McCaffrey is healthy, he's going

704
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: to get twenty five to thirty touches a game, and

705
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: there just aren't many guys out there who can do

706
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: what he does when he gets those number of touch

707
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: I'm a little surprised. I'm going off Fantasy football calculator.

708
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: Here he's going number two, so you know two point

709
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: four overall is where he's at a DP. I'm surprised

710
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: more people aren't scared off by two straight lost seasons.

711
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Speaker 1: The only thing to say is like he didn't have

712
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: a catastrophic injury, uh to a lower body. And he

713
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: also when he did play the last two years, he

714
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: was still McCaffrey, so you you can imagine maybe maybe

715
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: there's some aggression. There's literally historical precedent from in NFL history.

716
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: Football outsiders did kind of a look at it someone

717
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: that that was that productive that early and then missed

718
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: two seasons like this, like it's literally never happened. So

719
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: it's it's tough to protect. Bell is like the type

720
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: of guy, like he was a superstar stud at running back.

721
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: He was gone for a long time and then he

722
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: was just out of the line. Looks way better. He

723
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: he had to do this behind some bad offensive lines.

724
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: They drafted. The thing with him, though, is not only

725
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: does he give you RB one numbers every week, he

726
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: gives you wide receiver one numbers every week because he's

727
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: the only running back that's gonna get you like ten

728
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 1: catches for a hundred yards and receiving makes me draft

729
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: this overall. Take justin Jeffer, Yeah, I like that, or

730
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: cup or Chase go wide receiver. Wide receivers stressful, but

731
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: if you get a point for reception, it's just like

732
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: you're just you know, you're gonna be happy with those

733
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: guys and like and I kind of like the running

734
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: backs at the end. This is one thing that that

735
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: annoys me about fantasy football because it's just like everything

736
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: else with the NFL trying to have a softer it.

737
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: But you spent four months, Uh it's mid February and

738
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: everyone's drafting and drafting and drafting. You get ten days

739
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: into the regular season and everyone's rosters are shattered. I mean,

740
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: I think if you're a newer player, shouldn't there be

741
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: more uh off season strategy and teaching the people to

742
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: how what happens when everything goes off the train tracks

743
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: and it's like September nine and your rosters going I think,

744
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: but that some people don't know how to scour the wire.

745
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: It's like you have the upper two in the morning

746
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: doing it. No. I think I think that's fair. I

747
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 1: think that's how I did. It was like I'm gonna

748
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: beat these guys and get this guy first off. Like

749
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's the the generates like us who

750
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: are drafting like right after the Super Bowl. And I

751
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: will tell you this from past experience, having drafted like

752
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: best ball teams, like in February or March, I get

753
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: to August, I'm like, what was I doing? But yeah,

754
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: I mean I think I always tell people, you know,

755
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: who do a lot of drafts and do a lot

756
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: of analysis, I always tell them get in a draft

757
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,439
Speaker 1: with just casual fans. Get in a draft with like

758
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: especially if you're like one of us that works for

759
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: the NFL, and then you just start throwing, punching, you know,

760
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: because it's it's fun, you know, when it's May and

761
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: it's it's it's July. Like we're talking about Isaiah Spiller,

762
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: Isaiah Pacheco and like, hey man, Damian Pearce is gonna

763
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: be something. But like being a draft with like your

764
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: friends from high school who don't follow this and suddenly

765
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: like three quarterbacks are gone in the first round, like

766
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: that will teach you sort of how to deal with

767
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 1: that chaos. And and yeah, I mean, I think part

768
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: of our gig is to explain that to people like

769
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: how do you how do you draft when things go sideways?

770
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 1: How do you how do you keep your roster afloat

771
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: when you know suddenly that the running back you draft

772
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: in the second round, you know, suffers an unfortunate injury

773
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: is gonna be gone for eight weeks or more. Um,

774
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's all part of the thing, because

775
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: you know you can't you can't win. You don't win

776
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: or lose your draft, your your league on draft day.

777
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: It really is a progression of what happens in the season.

778
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: It's it's waiver wires, it's making trades, it's kind of

779
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: staying up on that. So we're like, you know, I

780
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: feel like that's part of our responsibilities to kind of

781
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: teach folks, how dan so are you? Is that? How

782
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: you the title twice like NFL employee taking out hamm

783
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: and eggers and like laundring. Now tell you there's a

784
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Speaker 1: lot to it. My last title I had out and

785
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: Kamara playing on Christmas Day and scoring six touchdowns. Four

786
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: fantasy analysis from Marcus Grant and Mike Florio. Listen to

787
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast wherever you get your podcasts

788
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: and stream the NFL Fantasy Football Show on NFL dot Com, YouTube,

789
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: the NFL App and the NFL Fantasy App. Boys, you've

790
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: said it all. We will be following you throughout the season,

791
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: and uh keep baking up. Bro, you know you can't stop, Mike.

792
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: You're gonna take it down to the risk in time

793
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: if I'm allowed to here. That's my only thing for

794
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Speaker 1: Paul's But if they let me, I will gladly do it.

795
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: You have to shave your forearms to have the extensive work.

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Speaker 1: I don't put the artist, don't. Alright, NFL Fantasy guys,

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00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: thank you very much, appreciate it all Right there they go.

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00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: Thank you to Mike and Marcus in the train keeps rolling.

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00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: On Our next guest, you may know him as Rhodo

800
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: Pat friends Patty. We'll go with the formal name Patrick Daherty.

801
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: Welcome Act two around the NFL our Friend. Yeah, you

802
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: go with my Brazilian soccer moniker. My one my one

803
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: word name of Rhodo Pat. Like you said, my friends

804
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: just called me Pat, so we try to get it

805
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: down to one syllable and uh so that's why you

806
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: just called me Pat. How many friends do you have? Uh?

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00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: You know, I've got several several and several who live

808
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: in the same town I live. Anyhow, I'd like to

809
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: call you a friend, Rhodo Pat. I mean, we've barely

810
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: ever met each other in real life, but we we

811
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 1: did work together. He he laid some of those bricks

812
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: Dan type of friendship with Chris Wrestling. That's good. You're

813
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: a brick layer, though. That's how you do it. You

814
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,919
Speaker 1: build it online, you cement it with one or two

815
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: real life meetings, then you never meet in person again

816
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,760
Speaker 1: and you text about tennis. All right, So, Rhoto Pat,

817
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: you are a man that we turned to for the

818
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: purposes of this exercise. Uh, you know, we could we

819
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: call it cranky Take. Cranky Takes with Rhodo Pat. And

820
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's is that set you up

821
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: in the nicest light. I don't know. And you can

822
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: this is Greg's idea, So you can take it out

823
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: with your close friend Greg Rosenthal. But we want to

824
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: see some things where you're bucking against conventional wisdom in

825
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: the fantasy realm, as people get ready to draft things

826
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: that people are hot on, and you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,

827
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: Stop the clocks. Let's figure this out and let's talk

828
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: about it. Rhodopad, give us some cranky tags, bro. First off,

829
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: stop the clocks is an amazing phrase. I don't know

830
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: ever anyone else to use it. Um, I stole it

831
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: from the Oasis. Best of There you go. Now you've

832
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: found a way into my heart. There you go. The

833
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: first of that is how Greg basically described in the segments,

834
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: like basically, come on, Andy, I mean, this is this

835
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: is who you are. We like to flatten out people's personalities.

836
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: We do not like nuance. We want you to be

837
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: a cartoon character, a two dimensional show, right and you are.

838
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: You do have, um some bite to your Twitter takes,

839
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: and you are kind of in the a system, but

840
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: you also buck against the system. So yeah, like, what

841
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: what is like a fantasy sort of conventional take right now?

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00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: That's not flying U flying pass Rhodopad, Well, no one

843
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: has ever described me in such hip terms before. You

844
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: are wearing a blaze, which also hearing to go on

845
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: the fancy James Dean, just bucking up against the system.

846
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: And Greg, I'm gonna steal one from you because I've

847
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 1: been like a whistle stop tour all summer truthing Leonard

848
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: four Net. Yeah, it's like a running back one and

849
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: some people listening to the show, I've literally it's like

850
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: my stump speech. I've already said this, Like I was

851
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: in Topeka, I said, I was in Council Bluffs. I

852
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: said it was in Joaukegan, Illinois. I said it. So

853
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: sorry if you've already heard me say this, But like

854
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: I feel like it's been memory hold that Leonard four

855
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: Nett was a healthy scratch, like literally three or four

856
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: weeks before he was the mrighty Lenny, Like he totally

857
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: his back the end of the job, and then you know,

858
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: did a decent job with it. I guess I can't

859
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: deny that, but you know, he's been living off these

860
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 1: receptions in fantasy and he's just not a good pass catcher.

861
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: He's not an efficient pass catcher at all. It's just

862
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: like the definition of empty volume. And he's not the

863
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: most efficient runner. He's a little more efficient than you

864
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: would maybe assume, just like looking at his raw counting stats,

865
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 1: but he's not terribly explosive after first contact anymore. And

866
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: when you look at the Bucks breaking in three new

867
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: starters along their interior line, yeah again, he kind of

868
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 1: like bumbled into this job. And but the Bucks see

869
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: the same things I see where they've taken another day

870
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: two shot on a pass catching back and Rashad White,

871
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: and I think people sometimes it's kind of assumed that

872
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: since Keishawn Vaughan didn't work out, like the rookie has

873
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: no chance to just work out in the Tom Brady

874
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: led offense. But it's been like a pretty solid summer

875
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 1: for Rashad White. I was gonna say his ADP is

876
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: in the second round. You would, I mean, you would

877
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: kill me before I would take Leonard Fournette in the

878
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: second round of a draft, because it plenty is that

879
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: because the running back and like you know seen in general,

880
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: falls off a cliff after a certain number of them.

881
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: It does, it does. And but he's got like the

882
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: two like magic things in fantasy where he has goal

883
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: line carries and receptions, but he doesn't score as many

884
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: touchdowns as you expect. I think partly because Tom Brady

885
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: is so wildly efficient in the red zone, and I

886
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: just don't believe in those receptions remaining there, you know,

887
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: not to mention all the other stuff where he's starting

888
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: to have durability woes. He's having some conditioning woes. I mean,

889
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: not the past, judge. I have quite literally eaten cake

890
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: four days in a row with my birthday last week.

891
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 1: There's like the red flags are piling up for Leonard Frett,

892
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: a guy who I just feel like he's been living

893
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: on borrowed time. And like the sharpest drafters out there,

894
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: like the best ball drafters, the people who drafted the underdog,

895
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: and they've got him, They seriously got him as an

896
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: RB one, and I just for the life of me

897
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: cannot figure it out. It feels like hitting on like seventeen,

898
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's just like taking It's like the classic,

899
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 1: you know, like in a team ends a free agent

900
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 1: and they get like ten sacks and like, and instead

901
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: of just letting them go and trying to find the

902
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: next version of that player, the team resigns them to

903
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: like a three year, thirty six million dollar deal, Like

904
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: they go back to being a bust. Yes, that's exactly

905
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,919
Speaker 1: what I feel like it's happening. I think they send

906
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: your black Jack analogy. Like in black Jack, if the

907
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: old lady at the end of the table, Mildred, hits

908
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: on seventeen, you get up off the table and you walk.

909
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: But when you have if you're in a fantasy league

910
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: with someone taking Leonard for Net in the first round, Oh,

911
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: get comfortable, buddy, because it's good to have chum in

912
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: your league. Right, West and I would West and I

913
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: would talk about this one of like they're there's they're

914
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: almost seems to be hesitance and fantasy now because it's

915
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: very analytical and that you know, people are making a

916
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 1: lot of money and there's a hesitance to ever even

917
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: evaluate if they're good at football or not, like because

918
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: that has been proven over time to be very difficult

919
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: to do. But I think you can look at a

920
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,959
Speaker 1: guy like for Net or some of these other running backs.

921
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: I keep hitting this at that point, like like a

922
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 1: James Conner and Acres or I would even throw Javonti

923
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: Williams in there, Like Leonard Fournett hasn't been that effective

924
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 1: for the team that hired him to be effective in

925
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: the vast majority of seasons in which he played football,

926
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 1: So that's data too. Like I think you can make

927
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: the the assessment that that big of an up and

928
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: down player is such a risk at that point in

929
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: the draft, when you've got basically money receivers and money

930
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: quarterbacks or other positions that you can take. Whose mean

931
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: investing in situation over the players. But it's just like

932
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: I think with Leonard Fournett, there are enough red flags

933
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: at this point where I just like don't believe in

934
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: the situation strongly enough to overlook the fact that, like

935
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,919
Speaker 1: you said, he's just never been a good NFL. He's

936
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 1: never been horrible, but at best he's a league average.

937
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: All right, So who else you cranky about? I mentioned

938
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: James Connor and he's really in like the exact same

939
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: boat as Leonard Fournett, and he's going in like the

940
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: exact same a DP range. And it's just again something

941
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 1: I'm just surprised to see from the Shark drafting community

942
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: because they get it. Seems like running it back with

943
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 1: last year's bargain. I mean, James Conner was like, quite

944
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: literally like a league winner for a lot of people

945
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: last year because there were zero expectations for him. There

946
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: was so much Chase Edmonds height. But he was so so,

947
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: so so touchdown reliant, fifteen touchdowns. He's someone who's appeared

948
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: in more than fourteen games one time in his career,

949
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: and that was last year with fifteen. Like he is

950
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: like the definition of a league average runner. He's in

951
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: a little more all over the map as a pass

952
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: catcher or he said, some pretty effective pass catching seasons.

953
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 1: But he's another guy were like, even if he stays healthy,

954
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: like I think the ceiling is probably like ten to

955
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: eleven touchdowns. He's mean someone you wish you had taken

956
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: in the fourth or fifth round, but to get him,

957
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: you have to take him in the second or third round.

958
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: And it's just the class I'm not instead of taking

959
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: James Conner. I'm just trying to find who this year's

960
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: James Conner? Who? Who are some guys that you're almost

961
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: cranky that like people aren't giving them enough love? Like

962
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: why don't they? Why don't they see what? Rhodo pat

963
00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: S's Tyler Lockett, who is a guy I usually don't

964
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: want to draft because he's kind of got like the

965
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: nonsensical narrative. Like Tyler Lockett is like almost a player

966
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: you have to believe in superstition because like every year

967
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: he has the numbers no matter what, but it always

968
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: seems like he only does it in four games. He's

969
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: always very very super frustrating. He's also likened real it's

970
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 1: no it's a poly math. He's like a straight line

971
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: from Thomas Jefferson to Tyler Lockett. He's a man of

972
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: many arts and principles, but he's going is quite literally

973
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: the wide receiver forty eight on Underdogs because the yeah,

974
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: he's going as the wide receiver thirty six one lock

975
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: effect a little bit his, but also like there's there

976
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: is a baseline to any people are drafting the Seahawks

977
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: wide receivers as if they're going to attempt fifteen to

978
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: twenty passes a game, and like that might be like

979
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll's like wildest dream, Like they're still gonna attempt

980
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: to passes per game, like every NFL team essentially has to.

981
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: And it's an extremely narrow target tree. Both Tyler and

982
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: fantasy term like that narrow target tree ere gonna command

983
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: massive target shares like Tyler Lockett. He might not be

984
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: top twenty four like he's gonna. Tyler is probably gonna

985
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 1: have another fact. I like that he's very post Like

986
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: those are great players to take that have established as

987
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: great players that for some reason have no fod Here

988
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: the five wide receivers that are going just ahead of

989
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 1: Tyler Lockett and drafts right now, Alan Lazard totally unproven,

990
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers new new Copkins who's not even playing

991
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: football until the end of October, Robert Woods coming off

992
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: an a C l on a new team, Christian Kirk

993
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: again a projection on a new team. Uh in Jacksonville

994
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: that was a wipeout last year. Could Darius Tony with

995
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 1: the Giants? Need I say more? And then Tyler Locket,

996
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 1: All right, I like him too, but it's like he's

997
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is a quarterback and that's that's a big projection. Locket, Yes,

998
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: I understand. Russell Wilson has gone I'm with you. I

999
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: hear you on that. Give us another one. Get cranky?

1000
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: Well you mentioned some of the guys. What first? DeAndre Hopkins,

1001
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: Like we talked about injury optimism and fantasy, like you know,

1002
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: I know this guy's not gonna play for a while,

1003
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna stash him and when I make the

1004
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: playoffs to lie back and so sorry, it's not injury optimism,

1005
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: of course, it's suspension optimism with DeAndre Hopkins. And sure

1006
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 1: in theory he could be like like a second wide

1007
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: receiver one or two for you in the playoffs, but

1008
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: in order for that to happen, you have to make

1009
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: the playoffs, and you are severely hurting your odds of

1010
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: making the playoffs. If you're carrying a dead roster spot

1011
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: for literally fifty of the fantasy seasons. He suspended for

1012
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: six games, then they have their buy in week thirteen.

1013
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: So you know, by definition, Dean, your Hopkins will not

1014
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: be playing for at least So I shouldn't stat like

1015
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown for that November signing. That happens every season,

1016
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 1: maybe even a Dynasty League. Then you know it doesn't matter.

1017
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: They're like, that's just like free the rosters. It doesn't

1018
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: used roster anyone. And if you're watching us on YouTube,

1019
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: you can see Rhodo. Pat's got a nice bookshelf behind him,

1020
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: wearing a nice blazer, classing up. But there seems to

1021
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: be a bust of, like, uh, an historical figure. I'm

1022
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: just curious, who is that? Who is that? This is

1023
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: Mr this is Mr Marcus Twain. Okay, Mark Twain, very great.

1024
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: I mean it's you're trying to make it clear to

1025
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: us that you're very literary with the background, which I

1026
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: don't disapprove of. That's a Missouri thing. Yeah, So I've

1027
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: read a book. Don't get me wrong. I've read a

1028
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: book and if I opened you know, I would be

1029
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 1: able to If I open any one of these books

1030
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: to any one page, I'd probably know at least five

1031
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: to ten of the world. Do you have any cranky takes,

1032
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: because we haven't talked about tight ends yet and kind

1033
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: of punky positional group in fantasy right now, do you

1034
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: have any cranky takes at the tight end position? Well,

1035
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: I have a cranky take about someone who's essentially a

1036
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: tight end. Al Lazard. Am I right, folks, not really

1037
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: a receiver. He's a six ft five, very low, but

1038
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: so Alazar. I will just say really quick, Alazar. Aaron

1039
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: Rodgers says he's the number one receiver. Aaron Rodgers also

1040
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: says a lot of things. Alan's already seems like a

1041
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: player without a second gear. I just do not see

1042
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: it happening a tight end. What's your strategy at tight end?

1043
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,959
Speaker 1: It seems like a strange time in the fantasy tight

1044
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,919
Speaker 1: end world. It is the top six or seven. There's

1045
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: like a huge drop off after, like the Dalton Schultz

1046
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,720
Speaker 1: Dallas Goddard zone, and Schultz is like the tight end six.

1047
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: And that's frankly kind of like the cut off of

1048
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: like safely projectable targets and production, Like even Dallas Goddard,

1049
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 1: t J. Hockenson gets a little shaky because we don't

1050
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: quite understand the nature of the Eagles offense. T J.

1051
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: Hockenson has like really robust target competition for the first

1052
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: time in his career. And then where I kind of

1053
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: get cranky is Dawson Knox where I feel I feel

1054
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: bad because I like big play players and he's an

1055
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: explosive play threat, but I think it was not eying

1056
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: touchdowns and like seventy three targets last year that's just

1057
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: totally unsustainable, like classic textbook touchdown regression waiting to happen

1058
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: and the way you offset touchdown regression by increasing your targets.

1059
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: But I just don't see how he can increase targets

1060
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 1: like the rise of Gabriel Davis that they're like improving

1061
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 1: their slot situation by swapping out Cole Beasley for Isaiah

1062
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: Mackenzie and Jamison Crowder, and it just seems like it's

1063
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: gonna be like a classic touchdown aggression season for Dawson. Now,

1064
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: this could be he might just be like truly best

1065
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: friends with Josh Allen, which is actually is the buzz

1066
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 1: and maybe he'll be the preferred guy in the red zone.

1067
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 1: That's our friend, Adam Levitan. Sohour narrative there, they're friends.

1068
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: If they're taking the showers together in the locker room,

1069
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: than then that could mean a lot of things that

1070
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: many many many are you are you buying into the

1071
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts becomes God this year? Yes, I am. But

1072
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 1: also Marcus Mariotta, what was like his defining characteristic as

1073
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 1: a passer and to not make an under any circumstances.

1074
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 1: He's not a guy that would like put you in

1075
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: position to make big plays like he did not attempt

1076
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: dangerous throws. Was like that Monday night football game was

1077
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: a perfect example. Kyle Pitts destroys the Jets cornerback on

1078
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: the outside plane wide out and picks up a forty

1079
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: yard game from Mariota. But it would have been a

1080
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 1: seventy yard touchdown if if someone else was throwing that

1081
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 1: when I'm seeing Kyle Pitts as the overall player, but

1082
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: they're suggesting that Antonio Gibson, who has been operating with

1083
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: the third team and returning kicks, iss like I'm the

1084
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: only one that could be cranky on this show. Shut Down.

1085
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm backing your point. I mean, you're telling

1086
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: you to take They're telling you to take JK. Dobbins

1087
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: over George Kittle. So yeah, this whole like that, we've

1088
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: been talking about how that round looks weird for running backs,

1089
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: right that that round, that area is weird. So I'm

1090
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna stand on the table here. I'm gonna

1091
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: have a cranky take. I mean, Pitts and Kittle. If

1092
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 1: you could get a guy like Kittle who is going

1093
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: in the first round like a year ago or two

1094
00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: years ago, and it's still in the middle of his prime,

1095
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: it is going in the fourth round, take that guy

1096
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: now at the time, Like that is an area where

1097
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: I don't like the players being taken that much. The

1098
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 1: running backs and even some of the receivers definitely pits

1099
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: Kittle fourth round to it. It's time. There's a fantasy,

1100
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: Greg hijacking your segment. There's a fantasy truism about tight ends.

1101
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: Is that the the the kiss of death and fantasy

1102
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: is you do not want to tie it. End to

1103
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 1: be a good blocker, you just do not want to

1104
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: tie it. You want them to be horrible. You want

1105
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 1: them to be like Mike Jasecki out there like feigning

1106
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: a block and then just like running around his guy

1107
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: and like catching a twelve yard pass. George Kittles is

1108
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: too good at blocking and you know it gets him

1109
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: hurt a lot too. He's like such a ferocious blocker,

1110
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: like the Kittle negative case. He was seventy one last year,

1111
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: you know, serious negative Kittle case is like how much

1112
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: is this offense really gonna pass? As we like transition

1113
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: to the trail liet But I've been drunk man who

1114
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: have two hundred yard games every season, and George does.

1115
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: He does that, but to the durability point. That's the thing,

1116
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 1: is like he's gonna miss two games or he's gonna

1117
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: miss eight games. And you know it's only one, only one,

1118
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: Only one time did he miss significant games. So it

1119
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like he's always hurt. But at those two

1120
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: guys especially, I was getting flashbacks because we were in

1121
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 1: London for the Pitts Falcons Jets game and then it

1122
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,800
Speaker 1: was on Monday night football. I feel like player and

1123
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: take me in to London with you one of these years,

1124
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 1: by the way, just come, I mean we won't love

1125
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: to pay for you, but if you come, we will

1126
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: take hours with you. Will you bring you if you

1127
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: bring this cranky energy, we're going. We will have you

1128
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 1: as an unpaid guest on our live show, but we

1129
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: will have free beers from all the listeners who are there.

1130
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: I'll be cranky. I'll stow away in the wheel well

1131
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:54,760
Speaker 1: of your charter ship when I get there. Pat Darty,

1132
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: how about a plug before we say goodbye? I mean,

1133
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: just everything, keep it locked to NBC Sports Edge Rodal World.

1134
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: It's the final weekend of the preseason, which doesn't mean

1135
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 1: what it used to. I mean, most of these guys,

1136
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: but the word, the name, Rhodo World is back. I'm

1137
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: actually on a show with you, Rhodo Pat, where they

1138
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: drafted alumni or mock draft. People should check that out.

1139
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: We were actually asking you to plug us. But that's okay.

1140
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: Whatever it is you're saying, that's on, that's on Peacock

1141
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: or that's world is back. Rhodo World is back. To

1142
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: talk about the past. Word back. Matthew Berry said he

1143
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: was integral in bringing it back. He like that was

1144
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: part of his negotiation. That was my theory. You're what

1145
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: happened to the marketing executive that came up with the

1146
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: NBC Sports Edge. He got that person's operating in a

1147
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: different industry. At this point, I'd imagine, um Mark, I'm

1148
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: not here talking about yea, yeah, there are no reverse

1149
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: gears in the tank of Rhodo path. Thank you, our friend,

1150
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: and we will catch up to you down the road.

1151
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: I hope you think there, he goes Patrick Arty. That

1152
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: was good. We did him there last time because we

1153
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: had all these technical practice detectives. It's nice to just

1154
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: have a nice and clean and smooth like your your face.

1155
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: These days day you're shaving. You're shaving daily. You're not

1156
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: just shaving, but it's day. I am not a hairy guy,

1157
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: so I don't have to shave everything above your lip.

1158
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: Though there is some you can notice some hair growing

1159
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: and slowly. I'm not saying it's whiskers, but you could

1160
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: tell where it would be growing. Right. That's kind of

1161
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: like the old man thing when you start to get older,

1162
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: all a sudden you shave and it's still like right

1163
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: under there. Like running out, stay in house, Stay in

1164
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: your house. All right. We have three guests down, four

1165
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: guests down, One very special fish to go after the

1166
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: break welcome back. Oh yeah, where's that song been on show?

1167
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: You know? That, of course is the theme song for

1168
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,919
Speaker 1: our next guest, co founder of a Established the Run

1169
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: brick by brick by brick layer over at rodal World

1170
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: once upon a time and now making yet another appearance

1171
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: on the Fantasy Extravaganza, Evan Silva. What's up, Big Fish?

1172
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: A lot? I mean, this is my busiest time of year,

1173
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: and it's also the second podcast in the same day

1174
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: that I've done with Greg Rosenthal, So get definitely getting

1175
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: my my full, my full of Greg Rosenthal today. Yeah, welcome, Yeah,

1176
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: it's a lot. That was. Yeah, that was the the

1177
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: aforemant and alumni draft. People should check out over at

1178
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: over at Rhodo World when you where you did the

1179
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: damn thing, Evan, and then you left them high and dry,

1180
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: and now you're really out competing them, I think in

1181
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: the marketplace Established the Run. We just had rhodopad on

1182
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 1: from that company just saying that they listen, there's a

1183
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 1: lot of high and everybody's taking a slice and and

1184
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,919
Speaker 1: eating up. How about that? Does that be a winner

1185
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 1: and a loser at all times? Greig? Always the big

1186
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: fish is gobbling it all up fish, listen, it's so

1187
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: great to have you on again. We hold you, as

1188
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: you know, in such high esteem. Um So, And there's

1189
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: a reason why you're bating clean up here with our guests,

1190
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: because I think it's time to get to where Evan Silva,

1191
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: man that that obviously thrives in this world for a living.

1192
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: We want to get your insight as we enter two season.

1193
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: I think a good place to start, um is that

1194
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: wide receiver here. There are a couple of players to

1195
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: you that are jumping off the paper for you, good

1196
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: and bad. Let's start with a player that everyone absolutely loves.

1197
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: He's head into Canton based on his Green Bay trajectory,

1198
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: but he ate in Green Band anymore. Let's talk about

1199
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: the Adams. Yeah, I mean this is a player that

1200
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: I'm down on relative to ADP This year, average draft

1201
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: position for the rookies out there, um, Devanta Adams consistently

1202
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: goes in the top eight, top ten of fantasy drafts.

1203
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: And I think that people just kind of assuming that

1204
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna be able to roll over his production that

1205
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:09,439
Speaker 1: he got with Aaron Rodgers. He's downgrading quarterbacks from Aaron

1206
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: Rodgers to Derek Carr. He is he just got paid

1207
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: one of the biggest contracts in NFL history for a

1208
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: wide receiver. He's about to turn thirty. And if you

1209
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: look at the target competition that Davante Adams gonna have

1210
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: to deal with with the Raiders, Darren Waller and Hunter

1211
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: Renfro in particular, he never had to deal with that

1212
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: much target competition when he was in Green Bay, and

1213
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: that's part of what led to his greatness. I mean,

1214
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 1: consistently averaging ten twelve targets per game, and I think

1215
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 1: that his targets per gaming to come down a little bit.

1216
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: His efficiency, his efficiency per target is going to come

1217
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 1: down a little bit with the Raiders. I think I

1218
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: still think he's gonna have a good season. I mean

1219
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: I have him as the number seventeen overall player right now,

1220
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: but that is well below his a DP because he

1221
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 1: consistently goes in the top ten. I want to just

1222
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: take him. Come in here, Evan um on the screen

1223
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: behind us, I'm assuming you can see it. Can we

1224
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: put up what this graphic? Pleasevaganda. Mark rarely goes into

1225
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: the you know, having a setup like this. I'm excited

1226
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: to see what happened. So look at that and this

1227
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: is Um. If you know, one of the best Twitter

1228
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: accounts um on on Twitter is yours and you it's

1229
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: it is just um chock full of football information. But

1230
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 1: I noticed at some stage that the profile pick changed

1231
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 1: to this, and uh, I would like to just ask

1232
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 1: you about the approach. Um. I see some real sort

1233
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: of Zadi energy vibing off of this McCarthy energy. Sure,

1234
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 1: what is your what? What? What was your strategy here?

1235
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 1: It just was a funny picture that was saying, that's

1236
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: in Cape cod that's right in Provincetown, right on the

1237
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: strip in Provincetown. I was hanging out with Pat Thorman,

1238
01:02:56,360 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: fellow e t R writer UM formerly of UP Pro

1239
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: Football Focus, and we were on the back of a

1240
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 1: rickshaw okay, riding through the center of Provincetown. And I

1241
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 1: don't know if someone took that picture, and I was

1242
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 1: just like and and then someone put it on Twitter,

1243
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: and then I was just like, screw it. I'll just

1244
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: make it my profile and no doubt, and just to

1245
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 1: prove that I'm on the show for one for a

1246
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 1: reason beyond this kind of nonsense you talked about. Davante

1247
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: Adams is someone that you're down on compared with this

1248
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: is there a wide out out there that you could

1249
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 1: suggest to drafters, maybe this guy is not being looked

1250
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 1: at the way he should be. He was better than

1251
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 1: we think. And people are gonna hate this, and people

1252
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 1: are gonna absolutely hate this, but you know, I don't care.

1253
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to come strong, you know. I wanted to

1254
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 1: kind of kind of dog down on on a big

1255
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 1: time producer and prop up a guy that disappoints everyone

1256
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 1: every year, and that's Sammy Watkins. You're Sammy Watkins is

1257
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: actually younger than you're doing it. I am doing it,

1258
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 1: oh my god. But you can get him. You can

1259
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 1: get him in the last round in your draft almost

1260
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: every time because no one wants to take him. I

1261
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: mean I draft him in the eighteenth round every time. Um,

1262
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: he has already earned a starting job in Green Bay

1263
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 1: if you look at the receivers that I mean, Aaron Rodgers,

1264
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Speaker 1: a teammate elevator. Now, everybody remembers the year that James Jones.

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Speaker 1: Everybody thought that James Jones was washed, and he came

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01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 1: in and scored a bunch of touchdowns. I think Sammy

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01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: Watkins can be that guy this year. People want to

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01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 1: make Alan Lazar to be that guy, and he probably

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01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 1: is higher probability to be that guy, but you have

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Speaker 1: to draft him in the sixth round. With Sammy Watkins.

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Speaker 1: You can take him the eighteenth round, you know, I

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01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 1: and I think he's gonna have a number of good weeks,

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01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 1: will probably get hurt at some point. He's already been

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01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: hurt early in training camp. He had a hamstring. But

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Speaker 1: but for a guy that you can get that late,

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01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 1: who's going to be a starter with Aaron Rodgers in

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Speaker 1: three receiver sets, I think that that's the kind of

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Speaker 1: guy that you want to pull the trigger on late

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Speaker 1: in your draft. I love that because he because it.

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01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 1: To me, he seems like a guy who will spike

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01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 1: up five weeks and be absolutely worth starting in fantasy leagues.

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01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: And that's one thing I like about you, Silva. You

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01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 1: you swing for the fences. You you were crushing these

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01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: people in uh in this draft that I was watching,

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01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 1: I just liked what he did in each round. It

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01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 1: was just like he was wiping the floor with them.

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01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: Who are some late round we haven't talked kind of

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01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: like deep running backs. I've been honking a lot about

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01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: guys who are overvalued. But if if you're going to

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Speaker 1: avoid those types of guys. Who are some running backs

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Speaker 1: in the round seven maybe onward that that you like.

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01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: I think the guy that pops out to me most

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01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 1: right now is Damian Pierce, because it's so rare that

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Speaker 1: you see a fourth round player sat in the second

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01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: preseason game treated like a starter, and that's what we're

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Speaker 1: seeing right now from Damian Damien Pierce. The Texans absolutely

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01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: love him. Actually, Aaron Wilson, you know who's covers the Texans,

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01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: actually was DM and me, uh yesterday about how much

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Speaker 1: the Texans love him, how how much he believes in

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01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 1: him as a player. And his competition in Houston right

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01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 1: now is Rex Burkehead, who look, we we all love

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01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 1: Rex Burkhead, right, but he's like thirty three years old.

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01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 1: You you love him more than most we we used

1304
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 1: to have. Okay, that's true. Rex Burkhead, and your love

1305
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 1: for him has been around so long that I think

1306
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 1: we'd like debated about it seven years ago. Yeah exactly.

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01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 1: But now he's thirty three years old. He is still

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01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 1: playing on passing downs, but he's like a designated pass protector.

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01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: He's not a guy they're trying to feed the ball to.

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01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 1: And Marlon Mack is one of these Achilles victims. No

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01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 1: running back has ever successfully come back from an achilles tear,

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01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 1: at least not within the first couple of years of

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01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 1: that recovery time period. That's an absolute killer at the

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01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: running back position. So and Damian Pierce has looked so good.

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01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: In the first preseason game, he was outstanding. Josh Norris

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01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 1: has really beaten that he was beating a drum for

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01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 1: Damian Pierce even before all of this, even before the draft,

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01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: talking about him as a sleeper was heavily underutilized at

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01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 1: Florida by Dan Mullen. Is really good in the passing game,

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01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 1: the cuts, the vision that he has shown so far.

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01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just in a really impressive talent and

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01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 1: I think the Texans gotta steal And I mean, I

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01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 1: think this guy could win Offensive Rookie of the Year.

1324
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 1: Like I think he's legit, really and that's a run

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01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 1: heavy a team as there is in the league, even

1326
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 1: last year when they were terrible offensively. And I'm glad

1327
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 1: he keeps coming up because he's always on her mind.

1328
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 1: And you think fantasy, you think wes Um and West

1329
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 1: used to say a lot like this. This evaluation period

1330
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 1: through the summer into preseason. Look out for the young

1331
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 1: running backs, the guys that maybe aren't at the top

1332
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 1: of a draft board, but are flashing and showing themselves

1333
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 1: to be explosive because they can hit the ground running. Now,

1334
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:51,439
Speaker 1: I want to say, I wanna see this up. Last

1335
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 1: year on the Fantasy ex Dravaganza Big Fish, Um, you

1336
01:07:55,040 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 1: were very bold about fading another big animal. Let's listen

1337
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 1: in Derrick Henry has averaged a hundred six total one

1338
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 1: yard a hundred six total yards and over one touchdown

1339
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: per game in wins, only fifty yards and zero point

1340
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 1: three t v s in losses. You're not gonna get

1341
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 1: he He hasn't had a twenty catch season in college

1342
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:20,759
Speaker 1: or the pros. That's almost a decade worth of sample size.

1343
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 1: So I think that this is gonna be the year

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01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 1: that we see the big dog fall. And indeed, the

1345
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 1: big Dog did fall. It was injuries and uh, you know,

1346
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 1: you could say workload that contributed or just bad luck. Whatever.

1347
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 1: It was. The big Dog, Derrick Henry, after after a

1348
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 1: monster a few seasons winning fantasy leagues, did fall off.

1349
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 1: Are you out on the Big Dog forever or are

1350
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 1: you now on the big dog train after a relatively

1351
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 1: down to your end. Uh. You know, on the plus side, yes,

1352
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 1: lower body injuries, but a lessoned workload significantly entering two. Yeah.

1353
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just he's really a major injury risk

1354
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 1: because we know how the Titans are gonna use him.

1355
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:02,680
Speaker 1: He's gonna but you know that also gives him a

1356
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,680
Speaker 1: ton of upside. We actually just talked about him on

1357
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 1: the Rhoda World Show with Matthew Barry. We had the

1358
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 1: same exact conversation, and it's like, you can build a

1359
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 1: really good boat case for him, and you can build

1360
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 1: a really good bearcase against him. It's just are you

1361
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 1: willing to take the risk on Derrick Henry? I think

1362
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 1: the Titans are going to be much worse than they

1363
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 1: were last year. You heard those statistics on him in

1364
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: wins versus in losses. He's not gonna catch a ton

1365
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: of passes. Um, So he's He's just I think he's

1366
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 1: a classic boom or bust player and so therefore it's

1367
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 1: a personal preference deal as to whether you want to

1368
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:40,680
Speaker 1: invest in a player like that a question for you

1369
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 1: because the other thing where you can track, I think

1370
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 1: during this preseason time in these games offensive line play,

1371
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 1: which is I think obviously about his core and critical

1372
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 1: as it gets for any offensive unit. And I look

1373
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:53,759
Speaker 1: at a team like the Steelers, this quite a spicy

1374
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 1: group of skill position players and it starts with like

1375
01:09:56,880 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 1: their whiteouts Naja Harris. I mean, George Pickens when you're

1376
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 1: watching Mitch Trobiski and it could be Kenny Pickens playing picket,

1377
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: playing quarterback and they're running for their life. Does it

1378
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 1: for you? Does it affect um in a in a

1379
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 1: major way or in any way where you would put

1380
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 1: their skill position players? Do you downgrade them because of that? Yeah? Yeah,

1381
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,719
Speaker 1: I would say so. We have I think the best

1382
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 1: offensive line analysts in in media working for us in

1383
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 1: Brandon Thorne, and he does his offensive line rankings and

1384
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 1: he has the Steelers very near to the bottom. Um.

1385
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 1: It's a bit concern. I think when Naja Harris he

1386
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:36,680
Speaker 1: can kind of overcome that because he projects for so

1387
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 1: much volume that sometimes it doesn't matter. But I mean

1388
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 1: the complexion of the offense. How many points are they

1389
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:44,639
Speaker 1: going to score? You know? What is Naja Harris touchdown

1390
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 1: upside um? You know? So it's uh yeah, I mean

1391
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 1: it's it's absolutely something that that we factor in. It's

1392
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 1: also you know, and it goes the other way to

1393
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 1: like with Philadelphia, it makes me want to like Miles

1394
01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 1: Sanders more because we we have the Eagles is like

1395
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:02,679
Speaker 1: the number one offensive line in the league. It makes

1396
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 1: me want to like Miles Sanders more than his adp.

1397
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 1: No one wants a draft Miles Sanders. He follows the eighth,

1398
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 1: ninth round all the time. And if they were to

1399
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 1: get a Kareem Hunt, which has been heavily rumored, I

1400
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 1: mean that would be a fantastic fit in Philadelphia, Cream

1401
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 1: Hunt behind that old line. I mean, they have a

1402
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 1: punishing offensive line, right I like, I think you look

1403
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 1: at this time a year and we you mentioned Pierce

1404
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: is a guy that flashed. Brian Robinson is another I'm

1405
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 1: just gonna throw out some late later round pick. Brian

1406
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 1: Robinson is one that seems like he's still going late.

1407
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 1: Romandre Stevenson, I'm surprised actually doesn't have more buzz because

1408
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 1: he's a Patriots runner who you mentioned playing all three downs.

1409
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 1: He's he's a power goal line back that can play

1410
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:48,759
Speaker 1: third downs and I think that's been overlook. Ken Walker,

1411
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 1: who's he's gonna get dinged because he's not gonna be

1412
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 1: ready for weeks one or two, who knows if he

1413
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 1: even misses a month, but he might be a guy

1414
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 1: worth stashing. James Cook. I'm just throwing a bunch of

1415
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:01,639
Speaker 1: names out. Tell me who you like or you don't

1416
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 1: like out of out of that group, Darryl Henderson I'll

1417
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 1: throw in there too, as Yeah. You know, I like

1418
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 1: pretty much all those guys except for Kenneth Walker, and

1419
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: that's because I think that he's going to get a

1420
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 1: very much a late start behind Shot Penny. Do you

1421
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 1: remember how good rare Shot Penny was down the stretch

1422
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 1: last year, I mean, over the over the final five games. Yeah,

1423
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 1: we were there. We were there in person, uh big fist,

1424
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 1: the three of us for the Tuesday Afternoon Spectacular. You

1425
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 1: might not remember it, like NFL fans might not remember it,

1426
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 1: but at twenty to ten Classic where the Seahawks went down,

1427
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 1: but Penny at a monster games, I think about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1428
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 1: And I mean Rasha Penny was like the best running

1429
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 1: back in the NFL for the final couple of months

1430
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 1: of last year. Like, and they want to run the

1431
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 1: ball in Seattle. Um, so I'm going the other way

1432
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 1: on Kenneth Walker around pivoting to Penny Penny. Things popped

1433
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 1: up on this show as well because he was so

1434
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,560
Speaker 1: dominant for that small stretch. But I mean he was

1435
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 1: an afterthought in the league and in Seattle's backfield for

1436
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 1: so long. Lease couldn't stay healthy. We're banking on now

1437
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 1: they health put it together for a getting drafted. I mean,

1438
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 1: he's not getting drafted until like the thirtie running back.

1439
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 1: It all depends where And this is sort of where

1440
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:13,679
Speaker 1: I think we're all in the same boat fantasy wise

1441
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 1: of tape tape big swings. That's what we said that

1442
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 1: before with West Like that's a guy who, to me

1443
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 1: show Derrick Henry like ability. But you can take them

1444
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: late in the draft and if he gets hurt, you know,

1445
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 1: you'll live live. Hey, guy was a first round pick

1446
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:28,560
Speaker 1: in the NFL. I mean, and you go back and

1447
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 1: look at his speed score is uh you know is

1448
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 1: which is like the combination of the size and the

1449
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 1: weight plus the speed. I mean, he was a speed

1450
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:41,679
Speaker 1: score freak according to football outsiders coming out of college.

1451
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 1: Just he could not stay healthy his first few years

1452
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Um He's gonna get the ball a

1453
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 1: ton to open the season. Do you walk when you're

1454
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 1: out on the town, I mean, you're you're you're all

1455
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 1: over the place. Um, everyone plays Fantasy. Mom's, dad's kids, uh,

1456
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 1: niece's nephews. Do you get recognized at like nightclubs in

1457
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:04,720
Speaker 1: and eateries and cafes? No, man, no, no, it's no.

1458
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 1: One time at the Bulls game when I was with

1459
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 1: my daughter at a Bulls game, some guy like cold

1460
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 1: inside and my daughter thought it was like the coolest thing.

1461
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 1: I was like, all embarrassed. The motor, though, You're like, you're,

1462
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 1: what sixteen seventeen years into the game now eighteen something

1463
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 1: like that, and famous motor, you know, big time talent,

1464
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 1: famous motor. That's how you become like a Fantasy Hall

1465
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 1: of Famer, you know. Are you like in the Tom

1466
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 1: Brady phase though, where you need to like go hang

1467
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 1: out with the daughter for a couple of weeks and

1468
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 1: and make you know, it feels like a lot right. Absolutely,

1469
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 1: it was the motor. Okay, absolutely, the motor is still

1470
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 1: pretty strong. It's not what it was you know in

1471
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 1: the in the very very early days. I mean, I

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01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't want it to me that was unhealthy. It was greg.

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01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:56,639
Speaker 1: I would wake up at seven am. He was get

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01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 1: some coffee and work until I went to bed. Every

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01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 1: single day I remember, and I just want to say

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01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 1: on your purpose, I just want to remember. And at

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01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 1: one point you were you were you were questioning, questioning

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01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 1: whether we should even keep Adam Levitan in the football

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01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 1: stay need to do and now he's your partner. He's

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01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:20,720
Speaker 1: creating division talk like, no, we gotta keep Levitan going.

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01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:25,560
Speaker 1: And now with Greg's instincts always impeccable, how about this

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01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:30,680
Speaker 1: you gotta say to to Silva class act to even

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01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 1: talk to Greg after their feud over Sam Donald last year.

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01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys want as do we

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01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 1: have something here? At one more clip, I'm gonna go

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01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:43,760
Speaker 1: like with with some deeper sleepers here, and I'm gonna

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01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:45,680
Speaker 1: start off with a guy who's you know, has been

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01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 1: near and dear to your heart game. Maybe no longer,

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01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:52,639
Speaker 1: but he's a guy by the name of Sam Donald. Yes,

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01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 1: so we we know that the post, well that's what

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01:15:57,200 --> 01:16:00,080
Speaker 1: most people are gonna say. So you know, I know

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01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:02,640
Speaker 1: you hear that puke noise That was Greg that was

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01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 1: stuck with me. Now I get a lot of heat

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01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:10,679
Speaker 1: from listeners for you know, being loyal on some level

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01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 1: to Donald's ability. But I guess I have to go

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01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 1: and I don't know if you're with me. Just take

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01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 1: the l on Sam at this point. Well, if you

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01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:22,640
Speaker 1: go back and play the full clip, I explained that

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01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 1: he was a good early season uh bridge to like

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01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 1: Trey lance Er justin fields. That's where I really got

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01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 1: that analysis wrong. I mean, those guys were never factors,

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01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 1: you know, but Sam Donald actually was good early in

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01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 1: the fantasy. He's taking the w on Greg. I like it.

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01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 1: I mean he's a he's a collapsing bridge like every

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01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 1: all the cars just fell into the water and they died.

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01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 1: And really the only reason that he was good in

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01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 1: face because he was getting rushing touch. That was weird.

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01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:55,639
Speaker 1: That was a funky three weeks in the NFL universe

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01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 1: or four weeks. Uh Evan, thank you so much. And

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01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 1: again you have your own theme, so that curated specifically

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01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 1: for you. It's called the Fatal Fantasy from the Rights

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01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 1: Free Library. So that just shows the respect we have

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01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 1: for you. Thanks so much for having me guys, Goodbye

1514
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 1: to Heaven. Thanks established the rore the best to check

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01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 1: out that website. It's elite, just like Solver his Matchups

1516
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 1: column during the incredible read you gotta you gotta pay

1517
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 1: for it now and it's worth paying for turn up

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01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 1: my headphones. So that's like a an epic college I'm like,

1519
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 1: can't you like picture Settler and like the West Hollywood

1520
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 1: Club tonight? Sweating heavily. He doesn't even have to change,

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01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 1: like usually you'd have to change out of your word clothes.

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01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 1: But he's ready, He's there. Mark your new shirt today.

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01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 1: I've waited a long time and outs the end of

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01:17:55,479 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 1: the show, unbelievable, bringing in this beautiful just a new

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01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 1: shirt and you didn't even roll up the sleeves dad style.

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01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 1: You got your I think it's because you're showing respect

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01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 1: for the extravaganza. I wanted. I wanted to let you

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01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:13,680
Speaker 1: know because I think you were questioning my um on

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01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 1: the last show. There seemed to be some question whether

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01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 1: or not because I did my hand motion thing. And uh,

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01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 1: I'm trying to show you that I did care about

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01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:22,680
Speaker 1: this episode very much. Well, you know you are like

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01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 1: you're you're a multitalented guy. You can do fantasy, you

1534
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:30,720
Speaker 1: can do reality, you can do football, you can do basketball.

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01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:33,439
Speaker 1: I can do basketball if needed. I mean, I don't.

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01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 1: I think you'd have to go pretty deep down the

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01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 1: roster for for that. Need yourself here. Whoops, let's go again, Graver.

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01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 1: You can do football. You can do basketball, all right.

1539
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 1: Football is completely different than basketball. I like, I support you, Mark, Um,

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01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 1: thank you, Um. I love you. Also, I I sometimes

1541
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 1: don't wear like new clothing to wear on the show,

1542
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 1: just because I just don't want to deal with Dan's

1543
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 1: comments you're gonna go through the wash. I feel like

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01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:16,719
Speaker 1: you guys are so self conscious about your clothing. It's weird.

1545
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 1: Like I don't even like, I don't say anything negative

1546
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 1: or critical back the truck up just just and then

1547
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 1: the waterfall of self doubt, and I'm like, what did

1548
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 1: I know? Actually, like I wasn't even thinking about it,

1549
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 1: but you came in and it wasn't just hey, nice

1550
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 1: new shirt. It was like you stood there for four

1551
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 1: or five minutes purring at me. Okay, well that's not

1552
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 1: what your narrative or your description is not accurate. I said, whoa, Mark,

1553
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 1: I liked that, and I was not upset with your reaction.

1554
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 1: But then it was like, I think that sometimes you

1555
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 1: to the listener, try to aim your suggest that your

1556
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 1: intentions are one thing, and when you're in the room,

1557
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 1: you can feel that might be tilted away. You know

1558
01:19:55,200 --> 01:20:00,120
Speaker 1: what if you guys are not because you don't me

1559
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 1: to notice and comment positively on your new shirts, like

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01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 1: that's a weird thing that's on you guys? That is

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01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 1: I mean, we get out this show works. Uh there's

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01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no point in arguing that. It just

1563
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 1: adds minutes to the runs. You know, you too are

1564
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 1: unbelievably un annoying to hang out with most of the time.

1565
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:22,760
Speaker 1: Why did the quality of the mark drops just go

1566
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 1: through the roof lately? We get some bangers, um all

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01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:28,560
Speaker 1: right before we say goodbye. I think one of the

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01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 1: traditions of the show that we've done in past years

1569
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 1: had been sharing a bit of um fantasy advice before

1570
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 1: you go into your drafts. You don't need to hear

1571
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 1: anything more from us, but I did ask a Grave

1572
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:46,560
Speaker 1: Digger and the gang to um go through the archives

1573
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 1: and share a little Chris Westling fantasy advice, and I

1574
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:53,560
Speaker 1: think it will enrich all of us. Let's hear it.

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01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 1: You absolutely do not have to be unemotional and fantasy football.

1576
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 1: This is a hobby meant to be enjoying. Emotional that's

1577
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 1: true that I love that. I love that. Don't worry

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01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 1: about the a d P if you want to and

1579
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 1: West talked about this a lot. If you want to

1580
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 1: root for a player on Sundays, go get them. It

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01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 1: will make it even more enriching, especially if the guy

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01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 1: you believe in in Like, definitely, don't pick players that

1583
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 1: you don't like or that you totally distaste, because it's

1584
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:26,680
Speaker 1: a it's a conflicting energy, and I mean, I get

1585
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 1: that some people are in this to make a lot

1586
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 1: of money and you want to be as logical and

1587
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 1: strategic as possible, but there's a big chunk of people

1588
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:34,639
Speaker 1: that just would like to have fun and it helps

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01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 1: a lot of people learn about football, and like, pick

1590
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:39,679
Speaker 1: the players you enjoy, right, don't take the don't worry

1591
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 1: about the average draft position, because here's the thing. If

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01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:45,640
Speaker 1: you just pick the players that you do like or

1593
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:48,639
Speaker 1: even you know, sometimes from your team, or the one

1594
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:53,680
Speaker 1: that probably has almost exactly the same accuracy rate as

1595
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 1: if you just picked the conventional wisdom stuff, it's you know,

1596
01:21:56,840 --> 01:22:00,439
Speaker 1: the biggest thing here is chance. And yes, oh were time.

1597
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 1: You can gain certain strategic advantages, but in a one

1598
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:06,720
Speaker 1: given league, in one given season, it's mostly gonna come

1599
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 1: down to luck, and you know luck is a thing.

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01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:11,680
Speaker 1: But we are fifty seven for fifty seven in these

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01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 1: fantasy extravaganza as we've knocked it out of the park.

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01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 1: Thank you to all of our guests today who did

1603
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 1: such great work. Hit hit me with the music as

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01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 1: we say goodbye here, Big Fish, Evan Silva, Mike Florio,

1605
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 1: Marcus Grant, Matt Harmon, Floto, Pat Patrick, Cardy, all awesome guests.

1606
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 1: Best of luck to all of you in your fantasy drafts.

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01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:42,679
Speaker 1: Kill it, have fun, be merry, and don't drink. Drink

1608
01:22:42,760 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 1: after the draft till Thursday. He'd the call. And now

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01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:12,560
Speaker 1: an update on free agent ticket sales Rep. Rhonda Fontaine.

1610
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 1: Our last look at this individual came during our fantasy

1611
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 1: breakout in Shortly after the heavy drinking, Fontaine was cut

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01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,799
Speaker 1: loose by the Packers sales department following a public meltdown

1613
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:25,959
Speaker 1: triggered by her breakup with on again, off again boyfriend

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01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 1: William Franks. As you'll recall, Fontane took a Greyhound bus

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01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:32,839
Speaker 1: to Chicago to live with her sister, Patsy Bumbles. Fontaine

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01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:34,920
Speaker 1: told Bumbles that she had a bead on a well

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01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 1: paid roll with the Bears ticket office, but that was

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01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:40,640
Speaker 1: a fib. Instead, Fontaine spent long hours day drinking in

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01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 1: her sister's basement and mounting off to Patsy's husband five

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01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:47,600
Speaker 1: ft four Gordon Bumbles, who eventually kicked Rhonda out of

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01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 1: the house after she threw a corrig coffee maker through

1622
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 1: a kitchen window during a Christmas Eve. Drunk out of moves,

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01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 1: Fontaine scanned bulletin boards at the University of Chicago for

1624
01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:59,879
Speaker 1: shared rides and wound up catching a car to blooming

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01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 1: in Indiana in January, where she quickly shacked up with

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01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:06,600
Speaker 1: a bartender named Big Boy. Life seemed to be on

1627
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 1: the up and up, with Fontaine lowering her drinking and

1628
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:12,640
Speaker 1: tapping the brakes on her heavy marijuana usage. Fontaine and

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01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 1: Big Boys seemed to thrive during Corona. Fontaine gifted the

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01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty five pound Big Boy with a

1631
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:20,960
Speaker 1: Peloton bicycle, which they both used to lower their body

1632
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:24,639
Speaker 1: fat percentages. Rondi even penned a four page handwritten letter

1633
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:28,240
Speaker 1: to Patsy and Gordon Bumbles, taking full accountability for her

1634
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 1: misdeeds and ten she began to research the concept of

1635
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 1: moving to Indianapolis with Big Boy to take a thirty

1636
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,679
Speaker 1: five thousand dollar a year job with the Colt Season

1637
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:41,400
Speaker 1: Ticket Department. However, it was then discovered by the Monroe

1638
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Department that Fontaine had hired a pair of

1639
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:47,479
Speaker 1: Husky teen boys to steal the Peloton bike from the

1640
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 1: garage of a neighbor up the street. Said neighbor, Mindy Charlemagne,

1641
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 1: chose to press charges, which sent Fontaine on the run.

1642
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 1: Ronda's last known moves were one using Big Boys US

1643
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 1: Bank Corps debit card to withdraw two eighty dollars to

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01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,839
Speaker 1: catching a Peter Pan bus line to fort Worth, Texas.

1645
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 1: Three using said debit card to pay for a three

1646
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety dollar tab at Tumbleweeds Sports Bar in

1647
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:14,759
Speaker 1: Fort Worth, four employing the same debit card to purchase

1648
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:18,800
Speaker 1: two cases of Carlo Rossi brand Merlot, five reportedly getting

1649
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:21,599
Speaker 1: into a fist fight with a local librarian named Tina

1650
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:24,599
Speaker 1: Mits outside the Fort Worth Public Library, and then six

1651
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:28,799
Speaker 1: completely going off grid. My advice to fantasy owners, Ronde

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01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 1: Fontaine is a high risk, high reward prospect who will

1653
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:35,559
Speaker 1: not last beyond beyond round eleven. In twelve team drafts.

1654
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 1: My advice to fantasy owners. Ronde Fontaine is a high risk,

1655
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 1: high reward prospect who will not last beyond round eleven

1656
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 1: in twelve team drafts. Dynasty participants should consider her as

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01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 1: soon as round nine. You heard it here first