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Speaker 1: is not just DJ and Bucky today, it is DJ,

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Speaker 1: are you doing, Buddy? How are you doing? Man? I'm

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Speaker 1: doing all right. I can't complain Lance. What are you

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Speaker 1: I was keeping it rip cookie and fish tacos simultaneously.

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Speaker 1: You are a Savage Lancer Line and that's one of

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to talking some football with you guys here. UM,

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Speaker 1: that aspect of team building that you have to have

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Speaker 1: players to win at a high level, and you can't

431
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Speaker 1: just dismiss all your A level players because of a

432
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Speaker 1: personality conflict or something that you don't necessarily like about them. Yeah,

433
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Speaker 1: I'm with you completely, And this is look TV twelve

434
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Speaker 1: covers up a lot, and those of us who study

435
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Speaker 1: team building stuff, we know that Bill Belichick is very talented,

436
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Speaker 1: but he's had plenty He's had plenty of personnel misses,

437
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Speaker 1: especially in the draft, and he cuts bait quickly and

438
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Speaker 1: people don't linger on it because he's got titles and

439
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Speaker 1: because he's had Tom Brady to cover it up. Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady began to develop a synergy with Rob Gronkowski, and

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Speaker 1: when Gronkowski, at various times over the last five or

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Speaker 1: six years, hasn't been on the field, tom Brady hasn't

443
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Speaker 1: been the same guy. When Tom Brady is not there,

444
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Speaker 1: you're gonna see the Bill Belichick is not the same guy.

445
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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick built the fronts. He would spend first round

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Speaker 1: picks on guys like Logan Mankins. He would trade up

447
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Speaker 1: for Matt light He would target Sebastian volmer Um. You

448
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Speaker 1: know he he made obviously defensive lineman. We know about

449
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Speaker 1: the defensive lineman Dante high Towers, the first round pick

450
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Speaker 1: he made the fronts his He made it very very critical.

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Speaker 1: Then he spent money for his cornerbacks. He has a

452
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Speaker 1: way of operating that I think is good. However, unless

453
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Speaker 1: you look at it very very carefully and through the

454
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Speaker 1: lens of an elite quarterback, I think you start making mistakes,

455
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Speaker 1: And I'm with you. I couldn't believe that I saw

456
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Speaker 1: Miami letting Manka, Fitzpatrick and Um and Laramie Tunsil leave.

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Speaker 1: And I think the Texans offer for Tounsil was such

458
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Speaker 1: that Miami said, look, we don't have a choice. We

459
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Speaker 1: have to move Laramie Tunseil now because this is just

460
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Speaker 1: crazy what we're getting in return for him. Because at

461
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Speaker 1: what point you still have to have even when you

462
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Speaker 1: have all this draft capital, you still need to build

463
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Speaker 1: a core. And those are young, really talented court guys

464
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Speaker 1: that Miami let get out the door. And so that

465
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Speaker 1: didn't make a lot of sense to me, because now

466
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Speaker 1: you have to start over and then hope that you

467
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Speaker 1: evaluate to the same level that you evaluated previously when

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Speaker 1: those players came through your doors, and there's no guarantee

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Speaker 1: that happens. Yeah, it is a tall order, That's what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm not talking about you know, these are

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Speaker 1: good players or potentially even Pro Bowl players. I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about these are you know, the top five caliber players

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Speaker 1: at their position. And you can say, oh, we have

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Speaker 1: all these draft picks, but and Buck, We've talked about

475
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Speaker 1: this all the time. It's one thing to have the picks.

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Speaker 1: But man, it ain't easy. You know, it is not

477
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Speaker 1: easy turning picks into elite, top five level players of

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Speaker 1: their position. That is not not an easy chore. No,

479
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Speaker 1: it's not an easy chore. And I think sometimes, uh,

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Speaker 1: I think everyone feels like it's really easy to hit

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Speaker 1: big time players. And you know, when you let all

482
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Speaker 1: pros walk out the building, man, the odds are against

483
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Speaker 1: you that you're going to replace it with another all

484
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Speaker 1: pro at that position. And so um, when I think

485
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Speaker 1: about Matt Patricia and how he wants to like the

486
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Speaker 1: fact that he has seven or eight former New England

487
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Speaker 1: Patriots there, and I would say that some of those

488
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Speaker 1: guys that he brought in there aren't necessarily high level players.

489
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Speaker 1: They just kind of know the system. I just think

490
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Speaker 1: you have to be careful when you value system over players.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I believe there has to be a synergy like

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Speaker 1: the players that you won't have to fit the system

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Speaker 1: that you desire, or you have to be able to

494
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Speaker 1: tweak your system to fit the players. But man, I'm

495
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Speaker 1: just not in the business of letting a whole lot

496
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Speaker 1: of Blue Chippers walk out, and that's um, it kind

497
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Speaker 1: of leaves me a little bit like the Burn Jones

498
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Speaker 1: conversation kind of drives me crazy. I know, Burn Jones

499
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Speaker 1: is getting big money and he is like kind of

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Speaker 1: like the bell of the ball when it came to

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Speaker 1: free agency a corner. But man, I just have a

502
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Speaker 1: tough time looking at the tape and saying that this

503
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Speaker 1: is the premier corner at the position when I don't

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Speaker 1: see any plays at some point, I just want to

505
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Speaker 1: see some players on the ball, some turnover something. I

506
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Speaker 1: just don't view him in that light. So it'll be

507
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Speaker 1: interesting to see how he plays out in Miami because

508
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Speaker 1: they committed big dough to the quarterback position with Xavian

509
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Speaker 1: Howard and Jones commanding top dollar at the positions, no doubt, Um,

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Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be interest to see how it all

511
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Speaker 1: comes together and how it all works down there in Miami.

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Speaker 1: They've got a they've got three picks, and they've got

513
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Speaker 1: to figure out a way to get this thing nailed

514
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Speaker 1: in the draft to to to see what they have

515
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Speaker 1: as a ball club. I want to We have some

516
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Speaker 1: other things we're gonna talk about here about some pro

517
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Speaker 1: days and things like that. But but Lance dropped the

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Speaker 1: mock draft bucks, So can we can we move in

519
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Speaker 1: that direction because I have some questions for Lance on

520
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: this bad boy. Um, all right, we won't want to

521
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Speaker 1: spoil it. The whole entire mock draft. You can go

522
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Speaker 1: to NFL dot com and find that. I'm sure it'll

523
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Speaker 1: be front and center. Um, it'll be the biggest thing

524
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Speaker 1: on the site today because there's nothing else going on

525
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Speaker 1: in Lance. Also, Uh, did us all a solid and

526
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Speaker 1: created some great talking points here? Uh? Lance, first pick

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Speaker 1: in the draft. I'm looking at this and for some

528
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Speaker 1: reason it says the Miami dolphinse have the first pick.

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Speaker 1: I want you to run us through that one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I decided, you know what, there's a little bit

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Speaker 1: of there's a little bit of is about Miami being

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Speaker 1: interested in Joe Burrow. They've got all the draft capital

533
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Speaker 1: in the world thanks to the Houston Texans and getting

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Speaker 1: rid of the good players we just talked about. Um,

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Speaker 1: why not have a little exercise and contingency plans and

536
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Speaker 1: let's let's have a little fun with MAK too. I like,

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Speaker 1: I like to do some things in mack uan and

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Speaker 1: MAK two that are a little more bold and a

539
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Speaker 1: little more aggressive, and see what happens to the board,

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Speaker 1: and so that's what I did. I moved. Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: as you guys know, a lot of people will read

542
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Speaker 1: too much into it. What are you hearing, I'm not

543
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Speaker 1: hearing anything. What I'm hearing is that Miami might have

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Speaker 1: an interest in in Joe Burrow. So let's run with it,

545
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Speaker 1: and let's see what happens if in a world where

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Speaker 1: Miami makes a trade for Joe Burrow, what happens to

547
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Speaker 1: the rest of the mock draft? And so what I

548
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Speaker 1: did was I gave and I reached out to a

549
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Speaker 1: couple of general managers. I asked about the value of

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Speaker 1: three first, you know, number eighteen, number twenty six, and

551
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Speaker 1: of course number five for number one. And their thought

552
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Speaker 1: was that the Houston Texans former first round pick, the

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Speaker 1: twenty six wouldn't be as valuable because you're stuck on

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Speaker 1: a five year deal, and that it might be more

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Speaker 1: valuable to start to increase a package of second round

556
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Speaker 1: picks instead, and you know, but but have more draft picks.

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Speaker 1: So all I focused on was saying, look, here's what

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. I'm gonna flip flop one in five.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give Cincinnati the eighteenth pick, and then I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna let the rest worry about itself. I'm not gonna

561
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Speaker 1: get caught up in what the trade is. And once

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Speaker 1: I did that, it was very interesting to see what

563
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Speaker 1: began to happen next because I don't go into it

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Speaker 1: with a preconceived notion. I had Isaiah Simmons falling to

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Speaker 1: number eight. UM. I had Arizona saying, wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: we need tackle, but we can't let Isaiah Simmons get

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Speaker 1: past us. I had to decide whether or not Ceedee

568
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Speaker 1: Lamb would go number ten UH to Cleveland with the

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Speaker 1: thought that maybe Odell Beckham could be on the way out.

570
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Speaker 1: Maybe they know that Beckham is not long for that team. UM.

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Speaker 1: I had to consider whether or not being a Zach

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Speaker 1: Taylor being the head coach of the South team and

573
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Speaker 1: being the head coach of Justin Herbert might be something

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Speaker 1: that would make Cincinnati a little bit more comfortable. And

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Speaker 1: as I said in my write up, this is specifically

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Speaker 1: if Cincinnati had the feeling that Joe Burrow might push

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Speaker 1: back against being selected or wouldn't want to be the

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Speaker 1: face of the franchise long term, then this is something

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Speaker 1: that they could consider. And once I went through the

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Speaker 1: entire you know, the the entire thought process. I said,

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Speaker 1: you know what, here's a scenario where Justin Herbert is five.

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Speaker 1: He was coached by the Cincinnati UM coaching staff, and

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Speaker 1: I've heard that they actually liked him at at the

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. He had a solid combine. He's got a

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Speaker 1: ton of physical traits and talents. And Cincinnati is not

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Speaker 1: one quarterback away, They're multiple players away. So once I

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Speaker 1: did that, then I had the next thing that happened

588
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Speaker 1: was what do I do it to? What doesn't change?

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Speaker 1: I don't think Detroit wants to sit at number three.

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Speaker 1: I think they would love to get additional picks if

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Speaker 1: they're not going to select TOA. But we know that

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Speaker 1: they have to have a kudas, so I would assume

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Speaker 1: was Slayn Now? So I did was? I said, who

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Speaker 1: could could I flip flop three and six? It would

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Speaker 1: make sense for the Chargers to get the face of

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Speaker 1: the franchise right now to excite the city and the

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Speaker 1: fan base. Would it makes sense for Detroit to move

598
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Speaker 1: back to six? Could they still get what they need?

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Speaker 1: And I went through the process and I said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they could still land Jeffrey A. Couta in this spot.

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Speaker 1: I believe they could. So, you know, people read too

602
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: much into the mock drafts, but you gotta throw some

603
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Speaker 1: curveballs out there to see what happens next, because curveballs

604
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: are thrown at most drafts that we that we watch,

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Speaker 1: real live drafts have curveballs and they have an effect

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Speaker 1: on the contingency plans for teams afterwards. Buck, I don't

607
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Speaker 1: know if you've got a chance to see this a

608
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Speaker 1: bad boy yet, but it does get kind of fun.

609
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Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm I'm I'm I'm looking at it, and

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at the players. I'm getting bonuses. Dot Com said,

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Speaker 1: I get bonuses for all these clicks, so don't worry

612
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Speaker 1: about Yeah. And I think the interesting thing is, like

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Speaker 1: you talked about the quarterbacks and it on it um

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Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine is having a pick uh javon

615
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Speaker 1: Kin Law going there, and as we talk about value

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Speaker 1: and manipulating uh draft values with what you want to

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Speaker 1: do from a personnel standpoint, Uh, the trade off between

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Speaker 1: javon Kin Law and the Forest Buckner. The Forest Buckler

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Speaker 1: got a big deal from our buddy Chris Ballard. I

620
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Speaker 1: think it's what twenty twenty mile per that he was

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Speaker 1: averaging on that deal. Well, now you get a younger, cheaper,

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Speaker 1: athletic version of the Forest Buckler and Javon kin Law

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Speaker 1: and you get him at cost control. And so I

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Speaker 1: just wonder, as we're moving into this new era and

625
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Speaker 1: people are trying to find data and analytics and advantages

626
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Speaker 1: within the market, I do want to if we're going

627
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Speaker 1: to see more teams kind of play the game like this,

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Speaker 1: where they are okay, investing a top pick and a player,

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Speaker 1: but then moving on from that player at the end

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Speaker 1: of his deal and reinvesting in the same position trying

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Speaker 1: to hit it. I just think it's interesting that it

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Speaker 1: played out in Lance's mock draft. Yeah it is. It's

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Speaker 1: a fun one. Uh Let's give you one more nugget

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Speaker 1: here in this mock draft again. Go to NFL dot

635
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: com you can find it. Um. But I thought an

636
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: interesting one here at pick number twenty Jacksonville going yeah,

637
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: quarterback falling all way down there to Lance, I'm interested

638
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Speaker 1: on this one because I've talked to two teams in

639
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Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours that are not in the

640
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: quarterback market, and both those teams have Jordan's love over

641
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert so and That's something I've had for a

642
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: I had for a long time. I ended up switching

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Speaker 1: it a couple maybe a week ago or so after

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Speaker 1: I really did a deep dive and I just I

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Speaker 1: decided there was a little bit too much risk for

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Speaker 1: me there with Jordan's Love. But there are teams that, uh,

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Speaker 1: that are very high on him. Can you conceivably see

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Speaker 1: him getting all the way down here to number twenty?

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Speaker 1: I think it'll be tough. You know, in my mindset,

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to. I think what would happen as

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Speaker 1: a team would trade up for Jordan's Love, and I

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Speaker 1: think the team that would make the most And I

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Speaker 1: looked into it and I tried to make New England

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Speaker 1: trade up. But they don't have the draft capital they

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Speaker 1: typically do. They don't have a second rounder, they don't

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Speaker 1: have an additional first rounder. I'm not sure that Bill

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Speaker 1: Belichick would go, you know, this year's first and next

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Speaker 1: year's first for Jordan's Love. Well, they'd be flip flopping

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Speaker 1: spots depending on where you you tried to make that happen.

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Speaker 1: I think Jordan's Love would go ahead of twenty, but

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Speaker 1: I think it would be a projected trade up because

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Speaker 1: the teams that I have there, I don't know that

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Speaker 1: that they would be the teams that would be looking

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Speaker 1: for Jordan's Love, but unless the Raiders got frisky at eighteen,

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Speaker 1: but I don't. I mean, I suppose you could do

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Speaker 1: that and you could have market that that means that

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Speaker 1: cars out and Marcus Mariotta is the gatekeeper and Jordan's

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Speaker 1: Love is the guy that you are going to groom.

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Speaker 1: I thought about that very briefly, so I do think

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Speaker 1: it would probably be a trade up, that that a

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Speaker 1: team would come up to get him earlier than number twenty.

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Speaker 1: But I didn't feel like projecting a trade up because

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Speaker 1: it was hard enough getting through this mock draft. I mean,

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Speaker 1: these things last five six hours for me, so um

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Speaker 1: and then I found out. Then I made a couple

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Speaker 1: of mistakes, like I forgot about Teddy. Oh you know,

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Speaker 1: originally I had three and seven flip Flop, and I

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Speaker 1: had I had Matt. I had Matt Rule going up

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Speaker 1: and getting to A and then Dan par goes, oh,

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Speaker 1: I know, it's been a really crazy time, but did

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Speaker 1: you miss Teddy Bridgewater. I'm like, oh, yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: after I turned in my mock. I'm like, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: let me just make about seven changes here. Uh hey, look, everybody,

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Speaker 1: I encourage you go to NFL dot com. Check this

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Speaker 1: thing out. It is. It is well thought out, as

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Speaker 1: you can hear from Lance. Um, it's a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: Rhet had to leave us a few minutes ago. He

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Speaker 1: had to run, but man, it's been it's been great

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Speaker 1: to catch up with you guys today. Fun fun mock.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna hopefully keep this thing rolling here as we go.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's kind of at home. Um, but we're we're messing

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Speaker 1: with all these different tools audio wise, try and get

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Speaker 1: the quality up a little bit for you guys. We

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Speaker 1: have a little bit better Crisper podcast. But any final

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Speaker 1: thoughts here before we leave Buck Uh No, I think, Um,

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Speaker 1: just the craziness of team building has kind of boggled

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Speaker 1: my mind. And maybe because I'm at the house more

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Speaker 1: than I've ever been. Uh, it's unbelievable just to see

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Speaker 1: how people are kind of going about their business and

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Speaker 1: then the prospect of not having off season workouts. Um,

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Speaker 1: you just wonder what the product is going to look like.

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Speaker 1: But then I think what I will do in the

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Speaker 1: interim over the weekend is just kind of look at

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Speaker 1: see how the twenty eleven lockout impacted the level of play,

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Speaker 1: because I think we just kind of assume, like these

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks gonna have a tough time. But Cam Newton was

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Speaker 1: the number one overall pick they had that lockout. In

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Speaker 1: the first two games that he played, I want to

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Speaker 1: say he threw for over four hundred yards and each

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Speaker 1: of those games. So who who's to say that you

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Speaker 1: can't hit the ground running. I just think it'd be

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Speaker 1: interesting to see how these teams elect to proceed when

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Speaker 1: they don't have the off season to kind of put

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Speaker 1: everything in place. From my standpoint, if I had something

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Speaker 1: to wrap up, I think it's what's gonna be really interesting,

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Speaker 1: is is I'm used to getting these pro day reports

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Speaker 1: and finding out who these the next Austin Ecklers are.

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Speaker 1: If there's anyone that's gonna test like crazy and forced

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Speaker 1: me to go try to scrounge up tape from a

720
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Speaker 1: Division three school or whatever the case may be, those

721
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: guys are gonna be secrets. Um a lot of them

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Speaker 1: are gonna go down to secrets and they're gonna pop

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Speaker 1: up somewhere else. The teams that have the boots on

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Speaker 1: the ground with the area scouts who are the sharpest

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Speaker 1: and the best at evaluating, and not just the note takers.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna go find and mind the diamonds and the

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Speaker 1: rough who become cheap labor for you know, two, three,

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Speaker 1: four years, And that's gonna end up being a huge advantage.

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Speaker 1: So I think the teams that have really invested in

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Speaker 1: their scouting departments, I think it could end up being

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Speaker 1: a big advantage. And no doubt, um, it's on them,

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Speaker 1: on those area scouts to find those diamonds in the rough,

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Speaker 1: especially not just the draft, but in free agency. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna be able to find some really, really good players

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Speaker 1: that you wouldn't otherwise have a chance to get because

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Speaker 1: they didn't get a chance to shine and show out

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Speaker 1: at their pro day. All right, that's gonna do it

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Speaker 1: for us today. I hope you guys have enjoyed this.

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Speaker 1: Do want to thank the crew there Nobile, our Junah

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Speaker 1: Mark for help put this thing together. Um and great

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Speaker 1: to have a Rent and Lance join us. It's been

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Speaker 1: fun talking a little football. Uh. Courage you guys, just

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Speaker 1: continue to be safe, be smart, and we'll catch you

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Speaker 1: next time. Right here on. Move the sticks