1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Ye. 2 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show Ridiculous Historians. As always, thank you 3 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. We are coming to you 4 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: from a pretty weird place right now. We are in 5 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: our good friend, uh a good friend, Matt Frederick's hotel 6 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: room in Orlando during podcast movement, and we are wondering. 7 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: It's a question for you, folks, what is one of 8 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: the most embarrassing moments of your life or what's the 9 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: most embarrassed you've ever been? Hi, I'm Ben, Hey, I'm 10 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: no Matt. I gotta ask you. Did you take off 11 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: the top sheet when you got here? Is that a 12 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: thing you do? What are you talking about? You know? 13 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: You gotta like for the for the germs. You're seen 14 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: those videos where they hit it with a black light. 15 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: You know, the hotel bed, the top sheets apparently where 16 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: all the nasties live on the comforter, on the comforter. 17 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: Yeah no, dude, I like I slept right on top 18 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: of the comforter. I feel like I missed up. Is disgusting. Now, 19 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: you're our super producer today, so we need a sound 20 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: cue for you, uh, folks, Welcome super producer Matt Frederick. So, 21 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,199 Speaker 1: uh so, no, were you going with this top sheet? 22 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: Is that? Does that lead to an embarrassing story? No, 23 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: just wondering, just making conversation. Okay, I want to know 24 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: his hotel room etiquette. You know. Yeah, we've had we've 25 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: had a crazy week here of folks. Uh we We're 26 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: going somewhere with this embarrassing moment question, because no matter 27 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: who you are, you could be the smoothest cucumber on 28 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: the farm, and you will still occasionally, at least in 29 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: your adolescence or the puberty year, you will probably have 30 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: moments that seemed very, very embarrassing, so bad in fact, 31 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: that you think, oh my god, I wish I died 32 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: right now, she's never gonna date me, or he thinks 33 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: I'm a nerd or something like that, and ask part 34 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: of growing up. But today's story is about embarrassment, about 35 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: shame that was so profound it led to uh, it 36 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: led to to suicide. That doesn't sound like very much 37 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: fun at all, Ben, it was. It was not fun 38 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: for him. It's a fascinating story. This is this is 39 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: the story of a cook a ship named Francois Vattel. God. Yeah, 40 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: just so so we all know that the like. You 41 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: know you worked briefly in the service industry, right, I 42 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: think we both did. I did. Yeah, I worked in 43 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: a tapas restaurant. It's actually where I got some of 44 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: my earliest kind of cooking techniques downpat like had a saute. 45 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: You know, you gotta keep things moving in the pan, 46 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: otherwise things I'll get clumped up and burn. Right, Okay, okay? 47 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: T a p A S I thought topless? No, No, 48 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: definitely not um but that's a joke. Many people in 49 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: the topas industry here a lot, is it true? Yeah? 50 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: You know I almost worked in the topless bar one time. 51 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, to tell as a musician, I was gonna 52 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: play a gig with my buddy Chris. Huh. It didn't 53 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: work out. You would have been a freelancer for the night. 54 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: You wouldn't have been a full time employee of the Topless, 55 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: which probably means you could wear whatever you want. Yeah, okay, 56 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: Uh so, Matt, did you ever work in the in 57 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: the service industry? I did. I was a pool service 58 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: boy at a private club a PSB. Yeah, PSB. So 59 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: you served rich people pool food, bougie pool food, yeah, 60 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: almost all Pino Griggio. That was pretty much and some scotch. Oh, 61 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: and she crabs soup, and she crabs soup with some sherry. 62 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: Oh you know what else comes on? She crabs soup 63 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: sometimes some kind of a form of a shintilly dream 64 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: that sounds delicious, and the chantilly cream that turns out 65 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: was invented by the chef in question, Francois Vattel. He 66 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: was a very, very forward thinking and fastidious cook. He 67 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: worked his way up in the bougie high society of 68 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 1: a France um. He was an employee of the household 69 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: of Nicholas Fouquet, who was the superintendent of finance in 70 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: France for like the whole country. Yeah, yeah, he was 71 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: charge of the entirety of finance for the then fifteen 72 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: year old monarch of France. Uh. Francois himself was not 73 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: originally French. He was born Fritz Carl Vattel with a 74 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: W in Switzerland, the son of Charles Vattel, who was 75 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: a farm worker. Its name is still pretty common in Zurich. 76 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 1: Uh and we think he was born like the mid 77 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: to early sixteen hundreds, six sixteen thirty five, somewhere between there. 78 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: And like Noel said, he worked his way up as 79 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: a pastry cook. When he was finally done with his apprenticeship, 80 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 1: that he shot straight to the top of the culinary world. 81 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: He was working for that finance minister, and the weird 82 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: thing about it was that he was playing the role 83 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: of a chef. But historians think he may not have 84 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: actually known how to cook. Wait. Yeah, he was in 85 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: charge of this office known as the Bush or La Bush, 86 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: and uh he was responsible for everything from what the 87 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: Minister of Finance eight during bedtime and what he during 88 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: bedtime right, his night's next and uh you know these 89 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: huge opulent banquets. Right, So he was almost more of 90 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: a glorified event planner. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like an administrative role. 91 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 1: Yeah he's he's more producing I guess right, and organizing 92 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: than actually cooking a lot of stuff. I guess that's 93 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: the thing. A lot of the details of his early 94 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: life are a little bit disputed, even his actual birthday. Um, 95 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: and he is credited with with inventing cram Shantilly for 96 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: one of these opulent soarees. But yeah, it's true. He 97 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: is a little bit more known, especially in the story, 98 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: as being kind of the guy who makes things happen, 99 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 1: like the Winston Wolf of massive opulent banquets and events, 100 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: so very much like sort of a prototype to the 101 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: modern day event planner. He had some kind of signature 102 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: moves when it came to these big events. He loved 103 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: things like stage illusions, uh, masks with a queue like 104 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: eyes wide shut style, you know, um, a masquerade ball 105 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: like in the Phantom of the Opera or something like that. 106 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: Loved fireworks that's gonna come into play in a little bit, 107 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: and water works. I'm guessing he maybe even got out 108 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: of things like ice sculptures, but I don't know that 109 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, we do know that he definitely made 110 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: some made some waves. He actually angered the King, King 111 00:06:55,839 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: Louis the fourteenth himself and again Louise like so at 112 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: this time, uh, and Louis felt jealous of the Minister 113 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: of Finances displays. The guy was swagging too hard and 114 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: was flexing on him, and he's like, I'm the king. 115 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: And he actually threw the Superintendent of Finances, who I 116 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: earlier called the Minister the Superintendent of Finances into jail 117 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: in sixteen sixty one, just for the crime of being cooler. 118 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: It's crazy to be king, right, Matt, And so, while 119 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,679 Speaker 1: He is credited with the invention of Chantilly cream. He 120 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: is perhaps better known for a very, very tough series 121 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: of events. At the start of April. Beginning of April 122 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: in sixteen seventy one, the king announced that he would 123 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: honor the Prince de Conde by visiting him from the 124 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: twenty three to April that year. The problem was he 125 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: would think that was really cool, right, It's like the 126 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: president of your country says, I'm gonna go kick it, right. 127 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: The thing is, because this guy is an absolute monarch 128 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: and he has so much power, it's sort of a 129 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: dangerous honor to have the king visit as a guest. 130 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: Because Louis insisted that all of the nobles of France 131 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: and all of their entourage members travel with him so 132 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: that he can keep an eye on him, you know 133 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: what I mean, because a mega entourage, so you know, 134 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: absolutely optics. But also you're right to keep your friends 135 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: close and your enemies closer. These were folks that could 136 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: potentially supplant him or you know, god only knows, plot 137 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: whatever kind of dirty dealings against him, because it was 138 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 1: that kind of time. So he wanted to keep them 139 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: around so he could make sure that they weren't up 140 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: to no good exactly. This is also a huge strain 141 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: on any household. When Louie did finally he did really 142 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: visit the Prince, he brought along five thousand people. It's crazy. 143 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: It's actually why he built the Palace of Versailles in 144 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: the first place, so he could have all these nobles 145 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: live under essentially on massive, opulent, shiny roof. I really 146 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: had no idea that that was why that was there. 147 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: And this is amazing. Guys keep killing versa I is 148 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: crazy to visit if you, if you have the chance. 149 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: Here's the thing, like, let's think about the timeline. So 150 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 1: we said, we said, the king makes this decision with 151 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: at the beginning of April, and he's gonna go towards 152 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: the end of April. This gives Vattel maybe fifteen days 153 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: to prepare. He had barely slept for twelve nights. He 154 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: knew that he had to feed the six nobles. The 155 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: thousands of extra people are coming not for one day, 156 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: not for one feast, but for three days and everything involved. 157 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: And so in a very real sense, this was like 158 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: coordinating an army in terms of number of people. And 159 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: they didn't have things like Cisco, not that they would 160 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 1: use it right. The food supply company. They didn't have 161 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: airplanes or rail cars, so you had to find enough 162 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: food locally to feed five thousand people. And people with 163 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: hotel's job officers of the bush, we're supposed to be 164 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: on top of this. Three hundred years earlier, there's a 165 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: guy who had written a book estimating about how much 166 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: stuff you would need for an event of this magnitude. 167 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: You know, he's funny. He actually had a title that 168 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: i'm that I'm I found in research, which is very 169 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: akin to a position that we know so well, the 170 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: matre de hotel de hotel. Gosh. I wish Casey was here, 171 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: he'd be super on the case of that pronunciation. I 172 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: asked him a little bit about about this stuff earlier, 173 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: but I didn't ask him about that one. But we have, 174 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: you know, the position in a restaurant as the maitre d, 175 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: who is like essentially sort of the waiter captain are 176 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: kind of in charge of the waite staff or just 177 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: the production of the event. So I can only guess 178 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: that matre d is a shortened version of matre d'hotel. 179 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: Perhaps you're right, Perhaps you're right. You know what I'm 180 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: gonna double. I bet you are right. The person restaurant 181 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: who oversees the wait staff. Right. In this book, this 182 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: guy gives folks like Hotel a really granular estimate of 183 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: the brass tacks. The nuts and bolts are more directly 184 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: the number of hams you need for such an event. 185 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: How much fire would you need, how many hunters you 186 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: have to send out to uh to capture animals? Because 187 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: the day was going to begin with a massive hunt. 188 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: As we know Nobles especially to the episode about Napoleon 189 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 1: and his domesticated rabbit hunt that ended in a different 190 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: kind of disaster, um more cuddly yet terrifying disaster, where 191 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: he and his men were sworn by these domesticated rabbits. 192 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: So often that would be the thing. You'd have to 193 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: spend a day out with the boys, you know, going 194 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: for a fox hunt or what have you, and then 195 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 1: it would all end with a huge feast and then 196 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: some sort of showy display like a fireworks or something 197 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: like that. Right, and that's what it's supposed to happen 198 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 1: day one. You have this big, big hunt. We're gonna 199 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: have a grand old time. Will be best friends. The 200 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: king will think that we're dope and then we'll have 201 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 1: a great fireworks display. But right before the big dinner meal, 202 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: someone comes to Vtel and they say, all right, look 203 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: there's an extra seventy five guests. And so he falls 204 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: into the one the worst situations an event planner can have, 205 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: whether we're talking a wedding or a huge birthday or whatever. 206 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: They don't have enough food for everybody, right, Uh, there 207 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: wasn't enough roast meat for two of the six seed tables. 208 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: And this haunted Vattel. He was sure that this would 209 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: be a huge, a huge dark mark on his record. 210 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: And it was like, you know, I'm a office bush. 211 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: I don't make mistakes like that. And then the Prince 212 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: himself felt bad for the guy and he was like, 213 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: you know what, it's it's not really your fault, which 214 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,839 Speaker 1: I thought was very cool of the Prince he said, 215 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: and and and the Prince seems like he's got a 216 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: nice vibe at least at this moment. He's like, you know, 217 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: by the way, buddy, the roast beef we do have 218 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: is great, Like good job, you know. So you know, 219 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: we've all been in those situations right where we think, 220 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: did I really mess up at work. You know, we 221 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: get worried about the consequences or something. Uh, and it's 222 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: always very validating to have your boss say, you know, 223 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: chill out, it's gonna be okay. It's gonna be okay. However, 224 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: the next day was even worse. So if a tell 225 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: starts today, probably already a little low from the previous 226 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: days light embarrassment. Again, didn't seem like it was that 227 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: big a deal. But this, this guy took this whole 228 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: business very seriously. Le grond cuisine. It was the kind 229 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: of pinnacle of French opulence to be able to show 230 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: off in a culinary display of this kind of This 231 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: day was gonna be no exception. Here's the thing that 232 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: was on a Friday that when the banquet was going 233 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: to be held, the actual banquet, um, so they couldn't 234 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: serve any like beef, like amal meat, I guess, I 235 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: don't know. Fish apparently doesn't count, so they would have 236 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: had to order fish because they were not anywhere near 237 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: the coast. The Atlantic coast was something in the neighborhood 238 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: of two forty kilometers to the east, um and it 239 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: would have taken about going on twelve days to get there. Um. 240 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: In a in a horse drawn carriage or an ox 241 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: card is some kind Um you could have gone to 242 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: Paris because they had fresh fish coming in on the daily, um, 243 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: you know, on ice and that one only taken a 244 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: couple of days by boat on the Seine. But they've 245 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: literally got one day, right, it's that days. No, it's 246 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: that day. And this is this is a massively clutch operation. 247 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: And this makes me think of like the most nightmarish, 248 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: like Gordon Ramsey cooking competition scenario where like, you know 249 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: the clock is ticking, you know your pork chop is 250 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: potentially underdone, you haven't even started plating yet. Gives me 251 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: palpitations just thinking about it. I know they ran out 252 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: of snapper at the Whole Foods. He is so much 253 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: nicer in the British shows. By the way, Gordon Ramsey, 254 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: you gotta watch out for uh, you gotta watch out 255 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: for TV producers. Let's be honest. There's another point here. 256 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: So it is possible they could have bought in oysters 257 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: and muscles, kept them alive and damp straw, right, but 258 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: moving a lot of fishes, as you guys pointed out, 259 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: impossible in the same day. Historians today are not completely 260 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: sure what type of fish they ordered for hotel's last banquet, 261 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: but they're thinking it would have been freshwater fish, pike, trout, uh, 262 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: maybe crayfish, and they were brought in physical pools, kept 263 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: fresh and alive if possible. Of course, the market is 264 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: also volatile, you know what I mean, This is not 265 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: These are the days before a bunch of health codes 266 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: right the way we understand them now, So you kind 267 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: of get what you get. Caviatemp thor. Let the buyer 268 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: be air and the Friday, they're trying to get all 269 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: these fish, trying to move all this fish. They have 270 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: a hard time finding stuff that is good, and they 271 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: have a hard time finding enough of anything. So let's 272 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: not forget. He had already been sleep deprived for like 273 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: twelve days, just freaking out, you know, stressing out over 274 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: this event. Um. But he was going to give it 275 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: his all. But the fish are very late, they're not coming. 276 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: He's waiting for this delivery. And then there is a delivery, 277 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: but it is far too few fish to feed even 278 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: a very small percentage of the guests, Like I think 279 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: a third or a fourth of the guests could be 280 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: fed by these He continuously is like pacing around. He's 281 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: asking for updates. Uh nothing, hours go by, nothing, nothing. 282 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: There is also no backup plan, right yeah, they're working 283 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: live and I think it's by four am. They have 284 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: what only two baskets of fish. That's I believe that's correct. 285 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: So this is what happens. He's got a coworker who's 286 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: mocking him. He's like, you you Dingleberry or whatever the 287 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: popular insults of the day, where du fis or whatever 288 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: they said at the time. You know, I'm historical re enactments. 289 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: Dingleberry is not my original work. But this, this may 290 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: have been one of the final straws. He's ashamed. His 291 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: peers are mocking him, and at this point we don't 292 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: know for sure. It might have been one of his employees, 293 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: and he feels terrible. It's almost dinner time again, we're 294 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: talking sixty tables of people, the V I P. S 295 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: of the country. And so he says, you know, I'm 296 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: gonna take a second, and he goes to his room 297 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: and he takes his sword. And it wasn't just any sword. 298 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: It was actually I kind of a ceremonial sword that 299 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: was given to him by the French court, right yeah, 300 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: And he had the permission, like having the right to care. 301 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: He a sword was a mark of great esteem. So 302 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: he wedges this sword, which is almost a badge of 303 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: honor at this point in the door of his quarters. 304 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: It's also a big deal that he had his own quarters, 305 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: and he literally fell on his sword on purpose, jumped 306 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 1: onto the point of the sword. That's the idea. Here's 307 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: the crazy part. According to this story, the rest of 308 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 1: the fish that he ordered did show up that night 309 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: two hours after, and the prince and the king both 310 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 1: were mourning the loss of this guy that they saw 311 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: a peculinary paragon. And for one reason or another, that 312 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: fish that shamed him so bad was never eaten. Maybe 313 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:54,239 Speaker 1: people felt it was inappropriate, right, Maybe they felt uh, 314 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: maybe they just felt their appetites were gone. But Matt, 315 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: you noticed how we said, according to the story, a 316 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: couple of times here, Yes, I've clocked this. So now 317 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: we're gonna do maybe what do you think you want 318 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: to do? Like a reverse quister here? Why not? I 319 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 1: would love that alright, Any quister segment that doesn't involve 320 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: the actual quister I fully support. So, so, Matt, what 321 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: is the quister sound like? That's the one okay, makes 322 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:32,959 Speaker 1: it checks out? King same, Yeah, I'm not. I'm not. 323 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. Can you do your southern gentleman voice? 324 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 1: Yeah voice? Speaking of voices, I have lost mine or 325 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: Harry carry, It's up to you. I'm most short and okay, 326 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: and let's let's do this. I like it, alright, Uh, 327 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: Colonel Frederick, just call me Jeff throw. Alright, Jeff Throw. 328 00:19:55,240 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: So if you're familiar with the long running, uh, the 329 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: long running antagonist of our show, Jonathan Strickland a k. 330 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: The Quister, you will know that he does what has 331 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: been described by him as the most cringe worthy segment 332 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: and podcasting. In this segment, he will typically harass, emotionally 333 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: and verbally abused Nolan, I and Casey to occasionally by 334 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: telling us an anecdote a snari there we go perfect 335 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 1: and uh, this guy shows up at the weirdest times, 336 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: like we know his thing now, uh, And our job 337 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: will be to ask him questions to figure out whether 338 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: it's true being a crew of guys who are not 339 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: into verbally emotionally abusing people. Instead of making you jump 340 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: through all the quister hoops, we are going to ask you, 341 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: do you think this story is true. Well, currently story, 342 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: the whole story yeah wait wait, that's we. We wouldn't 343 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 1: have present at all is an episode. Here's my thing, 344 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: I trust you, gentlemen. And if if this was just 345 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: an out and out lie, I would not only be hurt, 346 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: I'd also be a little bit pissed. Colonel that's Colonel Jethro. 347 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: That's that's quite uh you tell me, you telling me? 348 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,239 Speaker 1: I sat here in this entire episode. And there's a 349 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 1: possibility that this is some bulls. So here's the thing. 350 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 1: We don't know a whole bunch about hotel for sure, 351 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: And the suicide story primarily comes from some really gossipy 352 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: letters from the Marquise de Seville to her daughter. She 353 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: this was a prolific letter writer, and most of the 354 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: information in this story that we've all just heard was 355 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: from her account. The thing was, she was not there 356 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: to see the events. She heard about its second hands 357 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: as a game of telephone. He said, she said, he said, 358 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: she said, kind of stuff, and tell me there's a 359 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: messenger pigeon or some sort. Well, it was also mentioned 360 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: in other places. To right, it's it's we primarily get 361 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: it from this story, but other people, at least including 362 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 1: the prince said that it happened, so we think it 363 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: could be true. But how much of it was embellished? 364 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? I need I need 365 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: an account of someone who was in the room where 366 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: it happened. Well, you're not going to get that, Colonel. 367 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 1: We don't have that. We do have. Um is a twist, 368 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: a sad, devastating twist, according to these gossipy letters, was 369 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: that the remainder of the shipment of fish arrived mere 370 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: hours after our hero has run himself through on said 371 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: ceremonial sword. Um. And there is actually a film about 372 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: the life of Francois Votel. Um played in the film 373 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: which is directed by Roland Joffe by one of my 374 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: favorite French actors, Gerard Depastually. And in the film, it's 375 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: much more uh study on the awful behavior of aristocrats, 376 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: and it kind of paints votel as being like this potential, 377 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: like nobody unless he had had these patrons and was 378 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: sort of lifted up, you know, out of obscurity by 379 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: these members of the royal court. And as opposed to 380 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: responding to a late fish delivery, he kind of caves 381 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: under the pressures Um and the treatment that he receives, 382 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: you know, as being a part of this system. Um. 383 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: I have not seen the film myself, but I very 384 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: much look forward to checking it out. Heavy is the 385 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: head that wears the crowd right of culinary responsibility at least, 386 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 1: so we we definitely know something happened. We just don't 387 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: know all of the details. This is strange because even 388 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: centuries later, it's a very understandable shame, the ignomy right 389 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: of it all, Like a mad jen If you are 390 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,719 Speaker 1: the head of the dining industry at the White House, 391 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: right and you mess something up. I don't know what 392 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: that would be now exactly. I don't know if that 393 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: would be like you get the wrong Hamburgers, but whatever 394 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: it is, oh these days, yeah, whatever it is. This 395 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 1: these could easily be situations where it feels like the 396 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: one bad thing that goes wrong matters more than the 397 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: one hundred things you did well, you know what I mean. Yeah, 398 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 1: but not to mention like nowadays you might be dealing 399 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 1: with entourages of a hundred maybe yeah, back then, I mean, 400 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: like, like like, you know, so this is Los Angeles Times article. 401 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: The subject is a very beautifully dismissive votel. The fish 402 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: Suicide Guy by Charles Perry from February of two thousand one, 403 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 1: and it's talking about the films the year that came 404 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: out Um that he likens Vtel and his um depiction 405 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: in the film by day Pardieu to a general because 406 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: his organizational skills had to be so finely tuned UM 407 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: to get all of these all of this food. I mean, 408 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: because again it had to be local most of the time. 409 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: So when you have five thousand people, it's the equivalent 410 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: of an army marching into town, and you have to prepare, 411 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: I get to strategize. And he was given not enough 412 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: time to do it correctly, and he paid for it 413 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: with his life, according to the accounts that we do have. 414 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: But we don't want this to end on an entirely 415 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: low note, you know what I mean. Let's we We've 416 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: teased a little bit about Shantilly creams, so maybe we 417 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: can end on a sweet note. Oh, I said a 418 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: dumb thing on the top of the show by They 419 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: don't put Shantilly cream on chee crab soup. It is 420 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 1: a dessert cram. But you can still go for it 421 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: if you want it. It's it's interesting. So let's talk 422 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: a little bit about what it is. For some reason, Uh, 423 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 1: Matt in your other incarnation, Colonel Jethro, Uh, Shantilly cream 424 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 1: sounds like something you would say on a day to 425 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: day basis. M I Hintilly sweet cream right next to 426 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: my men, Julip sitting on the blotch. You know, it's 427 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: a day like today, we walk outside and that heat 428 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: just hits you like a blanket right on your crotch. 429 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: Then you proceed to pull down some Wait, what are 430 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: we talking about. We're talking about Shantilly cream, which is 431 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: a freshly whipped cream sweetened with sugar. It's got a 432 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: vanilla flavor, and whipped cream was already around at the time, 433 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: but sugar was expensive, so sweetening whipped cream with sugar 434 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 1: and then vanilla, which was even more costly. That could 435 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: be an episode all its own. Uh. That was another 436 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: enormously profound flex right. Also, you know what, now I 437 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: think about it, it's weird how out of all the 438 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: ice cream flavors, vanilla became the most common in the 439 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: AK Boring. It's kind of a success story. Really interesting, Ben, 440 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: I'm I'm going nowhere with that, but it would be 441 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 1: cool to see how vanilla became like the ubiquitous story. 442 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,719 Speaker 1: And when people are described where situations are described as 443 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: vanilla like back then that would mean expensive and from 444 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: far away only for the absolute creme de la creme 445 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: of of of high society exactly. So you know, all 446 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 1: the vanilla that reached Europe at this time came from 447 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: South America, so there was it was. It was pretty 448 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 1: rare until the eighteen hundreds. So Vtel does have a legacy. 449 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: And it's also a legacy that he might not have 450 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: been entirely on board with because the words chantilly is 451 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: often used for any like creation of fruit or vegetables 452 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 1: that has some froth to it, no connection to cream 453 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: or vanilla, and there are all kinds of arguments over 454 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: who actually was the first person to say, hey, drop 455 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: some vanilla. In this chantilly cannot be taken away from 456 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 1: the chateau's name or their mutual history. So he did 457 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: leave a legacy. He just had to pay, Uh, he 458 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: had to pay the highest price. Yeah, And a big 459 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: part of that legacy is almost serving like he literally 460 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: died for his art, if if the stories are to 461 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: be believed, he was almost a martyr for the French 462 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: tradition of hot cuisine um and is also credited as 463 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,239 Speaker 1: being one of the earliest adopters and inventors, you know, 464 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: kind of a tastemaker of these massive, opulent banquets. We 465 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: talked about some of his flourishes as creative touches that 466 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: he was known for, like the fireworks, the water works, 467 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: all of that. But then I think you found a 468 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: couple of really cool examples. Yes. Uh. The thing about 469 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: these events was that the the art of the banquet 470 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: goes far beyond what is actually on the plate. That's 471 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: incredibly important, But there are also gonna be uh festivities, 472 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: They're gonna be plays, poetry, recitations. There was gonna be 473 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: lot I have music, you know what I mean, which 474 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: is also a sensitive topic because everything is political at 475 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: this point, so choosing the songs that get played as 476 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: also an art. Are you saying he invented dinner theater? No, 477 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: I don't you know what. I'm not saying that yet. 478 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: I am saying I hope that's true. Uh. It's strange 479 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: because the way they found him, the way they found 480 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: his body, was when they came to tell him that 481 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: everything would be okay, and the fish arrived. So there's 482 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: there's almost this oh, Henry kind of moment. And in 483 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,239 Speaker 1: a way he's also a like your point and all 484 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: about him being a general, in a way, he's also 485 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: a diplomat. He has to make all of these things, 486 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: and all of these departments, which sometimes are going to 487 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: come into conflict with each other. Function is one smooth, 488 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: coherent whole. And chefs at the time also practice things 489 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: like disguising food for consumption so that it didn't seem 490 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: like leftovers. So he had already thought through that. And 491 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: he's somewhat noble, you know, he tried everything, and you 492 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: can look to him as an inspirational figure if the 493 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: story is completely true, because he is a man who 494 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: is so passionate about what he does that he would 495 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: rather die than disappoint the king and dishonor the art. 496 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: And there is where our story ends today, just talking 497 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: about this, I was looking up pictures of all these amazing, 498 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: really complicated dishes. Uh, it's I'm starving. We should you 499 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: guys want to go get something to eat? Yes? Please, 500 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: I'm quite hungry. And if you're fascinated by this stuff 501 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: like we are, um, I recommend a show for you 502 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: guys to check out. There's a really cool celebrity chef 503 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: named Heston blumenthality as a restaurant I believe its formational 504 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: in stars called the Fat Duck. He has several restaurants 505 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: now for sure, but that was the one that I 506 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: was familiar with. UM known for kind of doing weird 507 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: spins on things where he he makes like fruit out 508 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: of meat and disguises it so it looks. It's like 509 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: this whole idea of this disconnect between flavor and texture 510 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: and what you're expecting to get. And that's an old tradition. 511 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: That's a very very old tradition, absolutely is. And he 512 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: has a series called Heston's Feasts where in each episode 513 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: he uh does a different era. So there's Heston's Victorian Feast, 514 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: Medieval Tutor Roman, Heston's Christmas Feast where he makes like 515 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: this insane uh. There's one episode remakes this insane like 516 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: pigeon pie or birds actually fly out, And there's actually 517 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: one in the Roman Feast where the main course are 518 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: the the dessert is called the ejaculating Cake. I'm in 519 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: I I would love to see you in a room 520 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: where that pigeon pie is released. I would be terrified, 521 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,959 Speaker 1: But I really do recommend the show. It's a lot 522 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: of fun. You can probably stream it on YouTube, I think, 523 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: but it'll give you a sense. He really tries to 524 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: recreate the feel um and of these really opulent feasts 525 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: that that Vtel would have been kind of one of 526 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: the early adopters of. And if you're a fan of 527 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: food history, food science, traveling more, we highly recommend you 528 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: check out our peer podcast SABOR, hosted by Annie Reese 529 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: and Lauren Voguel Bomb. Everyone, thank you so much for 530 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: tuning in. We hope you enjoyed this strange dive into 531 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: the rarefied air of Hote cuisine. And I want to 532 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: do uh, I want to do an episode just on 533 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: all the crazy top notch restaurants like l W which 534 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: is closed, or noma Um Matt Frederick a k. Colonel Chethrow, 535 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: thank you so much for hanging out with us on 536 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: the podcast today. Thanks for having me. I did not 537 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: contribute anything, and I disregard any compliment you would give me, 538 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: so thanks for letting me be here. That's oh, check 539 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: out my show. It's called Stuff They Don't Want You 540 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: to Know. 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