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Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna just be set on the stage. Okay,

429
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,639
Speaker 1: And you don't understand, you can't relate, You're just a rapper.

430
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,679
Speaker 1: So no, I got a couple of master's degrees, I

431
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 1: own a business, I've worked in front of behind the scenes,

432
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,880
Speaker 1: and I'd like to be well rounded, and I wanted

433
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 1: to make sure that I raised my children. So therefore

434
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,159
Speaker 1: that was my first responsibility. So you have people like

435
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,399
Speaker 1: that that get older and you know, and we accomplish

436
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 1: our purpose on earth, and that's part of it is

437
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 1: by women and being a woman and multiplying. So you

438
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,440
Speaker 1: have us who have to deal with not always sitting

439
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 1: in front of the scene. So that left room, you know,

440
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 1: for this other ones to come in and then cover

441
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 1: up our brand because we're not you know, because we're

442
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 1: not as visible as maybe we used to be. You

443
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 1: have some that have to get back to health. You

444
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 1: have some that needed to balance. You have some that

445
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 1: got in situations you know, all different types of situations, um,

446
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,159
Speaker 1: from domestic violence to abuse, to drugs to this and that.

447
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 1: So each entity and you have something that went on

448
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 1: to other things you know, and weren't really as interested

449
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 1: as um. You know, like I said, I just only

450
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 1: do a rap so um, not knowing that people would

451
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 1: come in with their agendas and try to cover up

452
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 1: our brand and sweep us under the rug in the

453
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 1: midst of it by putting these other ladies in front

454
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 1: um so um. So it's it's a combination of not

455
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 1: just that, but that's a part of it. I can't

456
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 1: say that that was our fault. But human nature, we

457
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,199
Speaker 1: have a right to balance, you know, and we have

458
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:53,679
Speaker 1: a right to grow up, and we have a right

459
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,160
Speaker 1: to do more than just wrap. So I can't blame

460
00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 1: that on us. Um two um, I kind of some

461
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: responsibility has Definitely I feel it's for the older generation

462
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: of men because um, at that point, because of the

463
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: choices that some of us make, they don't open the

464
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: doors for us and just stay here, come on, let

465
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 1: me look out for you and let me just push

466
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: you in front of the game and make sure that

467
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 1: you stay. You're steak in the game since you already

468
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, since you trail blaze board and you was

469
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 1: you was the originator of this thing. So um, I

470
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: know you had kids or I know you went through

471
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 1: a challenge and I know you had something. They don't

472
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: have no life jacket for us, so they don't pull

473
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,640
Speaker 1: it out and say, hey, you know, let me give

474
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: you gonna give you a push. They say somewhere you old,

475
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: now okay, and you're lucky to even be somebody, and

476
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: you need me, So either you kiss my butt, you know,

477
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 1: say what I want. Don't rock no boat, do what

478
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: I say. And unfortunately, that group of people got into

479
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 1: a mindset of the only thing that is that should

480
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 1: work is foolishness, and that is the messages of sex, money, alcohol, drugs, violence, stripping, bullying,

481
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: and bragging. And they lost their they lost their leadership ability,

482
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: and they got fearful and got behind these younger generations

483
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: not only have women, but men too, and said we

484
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: need to latch onto them to survive. And it's like

485
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: everybody lost their way. And like I said, in the rapidemic.

486
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: I have a very extensive conversation about this. This is

487
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: a project that I'm working on because people need to

488
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: understand where this whole transition came from. I seen it

489
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: in two thousand. I was aware that this was gonna happen,

490
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,479
Speaker 1: and this is exactly what happened to this day. So

491
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: you have that going on. Then you had Grandmama's and

492
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: aunties and Mama's letting the kids come change your music

493
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: in the house. I ain't never seen socy. I'm an

494
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: old school I get sick of rap, Like I can't

495
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: listen to Wrap every day. Even before the message changed.

496
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,199
Speaker 1: That what my main stay, you know what I mean.

497
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: I like old school music, the old Jay's attemptations, Johnny Taylor,

498
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 1: like the blues. I like you know, G music. You know.

499
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: I like Curtis Blow. You know what I'm saying. I like,

500
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: you know, a variety of different types of sounds. Lindy Williams,

501
00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: you know. And I can keep going on and on

502
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 1: and own and in that liking I'm going to when

503
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: I finally do go to a party, I'm trying to

504
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 1: go to the party, and I'm talking about like family

505
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 1: parties and friends parties of friends of friends parties, you know,

506
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 1: these local or these house party types or gatherings, you know,

507
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: supposed to be innocent gatherings, they turned into a hub party.

508
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: So they would let the kids come change the music.

509
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: And why are you letting the kids change the music?

510
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,199
Speaker 1: And I'm ready to go, So I save this for

511
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: a very very long time of people coming in and

512
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: changing the music. So nobody played old school music for

513
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: their kids no more. So they changed the music and

514
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 1: then basically changed the mindset. Versus has highlighted, you know,

515
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: many older men hip hop. I was just having this

516
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 1: argument before we started this interview. They've highlighted many older

517
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: men in their forties, fifty, even some of their fifties.

518
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: Your brother was wanting forty too short, you know. And

519
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: Versus has highlighted many men in hip hop older. And

520
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: I've asked this to some folks that know some folks

521
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: that Versus and they say, oh, you know, they're trying

522
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: to reach out and the women don't want to do it.

523
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: I don't know that's necessarily true. What's your thoughts on that?

524
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: Why hasn't you know they've done it with female R

525
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: and B artists? Why have they not said, let's do

526
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 1: Versus with Sugar T and Gangster Boo or Salt and

527
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: Pepper with empt Light or Queen Latifa with whoever miss

528
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: Why why do you think it is that Versus hasn't

529
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: reached out to h to to our female icons. I

530
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 1: don't even like using the word older because they don't

531
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: do that ship. When they talk about the men, they

532
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: say icons. They say legends, they say the goat. So

533
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: they don't never say older jay Z or older Efforty

534
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: or older too short. They say icons. Why is it

535
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: that Versus has not reached out to female icons in

536
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: hip hop? In your opinion? Well, you know, they're just

537
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 1: doing what the hip hop industry does. The hip hop

538
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: industry has their picks. Every Body selfish right now if

539
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: you ain't got a million hits and you know you

540
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: weren't popping with whether they fake views or whether they

541
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: you know, whatever it is that makes you look like

542
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: you can help sell something quicker than you know, they're

543
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: kind of you know, they they they they're showing buy

544
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: you like you ain't there. So ain't nobody reached out

545
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: to me? You know what I mean? But I don't

546
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 1: have a million followers, and I don't have it on

547
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: purpose because I'm not panting no views and followers. It's

548
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: to me, you don't stay authentic that way, and you

549
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: can't really get no real monetization from that. So because

550
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 1: I'm a real business, I'll run a real organization. I

551
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: want real buyers of my product lines outside of music

552
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: sprinkle me boutique dot com. I want real activity when

553
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: I give workshops and different types of projects that I do,

554
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: educational and presentations and stuff. I'm not gonna pay for

555
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: no faike followers because the algorithms get confused and you'll

556
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: be paying, you know, for nothing, and you can waste

557
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 1: your money when it comes to digital marketing and all

558
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: the stuff to come along with that. So I plan

559
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: to staff that's I'd rather have fifty thousand real followers,

560
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: that's real, authentic, consistent, and if they don't do nothing

561
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: but pay for an album and a T shirt twenty

562
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: dollars a year, I'm okay. What happened? Million dollars a year?

563
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You know if you get

564
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: But do you think it's the followers or just uh?

565
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think it's because I've given my explanation,

566
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: because that somebody's listening to this, then they get to

567
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 1: hear why some of us don't have a whole bunch

568
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: of followers. Were very early that we can pay for followers.

569
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 1: I can pay for followers. I can get a million

570
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: followers by just spinning about three or five thousand thousand

571
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: dollars quickly. But I choose not to. So they overlook

572
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: us because of one the followers, because this is a

573
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: selfish group of corporations now and industry gate keepers that

574
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: just want an easier route, because they know the Internet

575
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: can bring a lot of visibility and bring more visibility

576
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: to their products, you know what I mean. So it's

577
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: a business. So that's one of the reason why they

578
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: probably overlook us, you know, and they'd rather go to

579
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: more of a place. They've been doing this for a

580
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: long time, splitting a solid part, meaning that if they

581
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: come on the West Coast, they're just looking at l

582
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: A artists, you know what I'm saying, not the area.

583
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: US trailblazers who got long track records of a large

584
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: body of work, you know what I'm saying, ongoing and

585
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: you know, and have made quite a bit of trailblaze

586
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: and innovation in the game they overlook us here in

587
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: the bay. We have a few. We got the sugar Tea,

588
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: we got the conscious daughters, we got Open three five seven.

589
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And I can keep going

590
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: on and on of us nationwide presented females who broke

591
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: some movement in this game, you know what I mean.

592
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: And they don't look over here, you know, because of that,

593
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: because we're over here in the independent type of mindset

594
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: in the world, and we're over here in the male

595
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: chauvingist area where the males cover us up because they

596
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: have their own agendas and on different issues going on

597
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: around their personal lives, as well as their own mentality

598
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: of immature thinking, which is pride e control, you know,

599
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: fear and selfishness and immaturity in a sense that you know,

600
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: they don't think like the people supposed to, like the kings,

601
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: the real kings, the real leaders of you know. Let

602
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: me keep the queens, let me keep the ladies that

603
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: are mature, let me keep the balance in the game.

604
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: Let's give them a push to let's keep them moving,

605
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,239
Speaker 1: because we're supposed to be the ones that keep this

606
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: game going. From Queen the King and at the end

607
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: of the day. You know, we have that issue, so

608
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: we get covered up because they're not looking out for us.

609
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: You get what I'm saying. They're not pitching. They're not

610
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: pitching us saying hey, you know, why don't you get

611
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: sugar t on? Or hey, why don't you get yo on?

612
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,959
Speaker 1: Or hey, you know, ice Cube ain't going to say, oh,

613
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: let me go, why don't you get yo yo on?

614
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: If these niggas a call and say something that, we

615
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: probably get a little push here, but these say, let's

616
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: get to it, let's go to you feel me. And

617
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: like I said, I'm saying to some of the stuff

618
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: of the rapidemic because it's it's real. It's some real

619
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: stuff behind this thing. You know, I'm gonna get real

620
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: deep into that. And so that's part of the problem.

621
00:30:58,560 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: It's just like if you ain't taking care of your

622
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: home and watch it, I take care of your home.

623
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: If you have when I walk in and I'm not

624
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: just to clean it up, it's gonna get dirtier because

625
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna drop myself on the flow because this

626
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: stuff already on the flow. So it's that kind of

627
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: a mentality. If they ain't looking out for us, then

628
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: who why Why why were they? People ain't looking out

629
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: for them, So why they you know, we got to

630
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's it's selfishness and

631
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: it's foolishness, and it's a lot of like I said,

632
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: immaturity and different agendas at the top of the chain

633
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: of gatekeepers. And that's a part of it. So when

634
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: they do bring somebody, they're gonna bring Salt Pepper or

635
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: Miss Elliott or you know, they're gonna bring East Coast

636
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: people that are have a lot of presents, that get

637
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: all the money and to pay gigs, you know what

638
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: I mean. And that in half of them don't even

639
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: have over three albums or four or even five after

640
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: all these years. And I don't say this to knock them.

641
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: I'm just saying they don't they don't respect list them

642
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: a body of working hard work, real true hard work.

643
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: We are here on the West Coast, in the Bay Area,

644
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: West Coast grinding for real, like were raising kids, were

645
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: calling it down. We have to create our own jobs.

646
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: We have to keep ourselves going, to keep our space,

647
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: our mentality, our mental space as well as our physical

648
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: space and our financial space. And and none of these

649
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: niggas giving us a hand up. None of them understand

650
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: and a matter of fact, they've given us a hand

651
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: down because they wanted us to kiss their butt or

652
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: they got their own. Like I said, limited maturity, you know,

653
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: limited leadership, and these are all people that's put in

654
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: leadership positions that can open up doors that won't at

655
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: the end of the day. No, that's real. I'm glad

656
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: you said that because there's a big difference between you know,

657
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: you can speak with true of authenticity because like you said,

658
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: you don't have to do any of this, you don't

659
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,959
Speaker 1: already did what needs to be done. But I think

660
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: it's important, Sugar that you keep exposing this for what

661
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, I mean, you've made up a point cube.

662
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: What's up with yo Yo? Back when when you needed

663
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: a female on the on the album, you know, when

664
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: you needed a female to come in and and do

665
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: our thing and was involved in the movies and this

666
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: and that why you didn't bring the home girl in

667
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: when you and I first hooked up. Just so people

668
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: don't when you did the Weed project, I want people

669
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: to know that you talk wi your walk is matches

670
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: your talk. You as frienderella yo Yo, you allow me

671
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: to be a part of that project you were. You've

672
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: always said, let's make sure that we're uplifting other women

673
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: in the game. So just for folks that are listening you,

674
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: you've made a point, you know, to include and I'm

675
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: glad you said that. I mean, let's call name, let's

676
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: call the ship for what it is. These men have

677
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: opportunities to open up doors that they just simply don't

678
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: and that has to be called out. And it's not

679
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: because we need it or because we have to have

680
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: it to survive, but it's important that these other women

681
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: knew know that the same men that's that you think

682
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: looking out now may not necessarily be the same ten

683
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: fifteen years. You know, you're down down. Everybody everybody selfish.

684
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: Ye're all selfish. You know. The reality is there's inside

685
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: things going on in their own space, you know, for

686
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: different reasons, you know what I mean. And they're human.

687
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: You know. It could be simple as a wife not

688
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: wanting them to be connected to the woman, you know

689
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: what I mean. But now, because you got a wife

690
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: that's hating on you know, that's worried, or that's insecure

691
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: or whatever the reason, because she's obviously selfish and not

692
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: looking and saying let me think, but surely about legacy

693
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: and generation, wealth and this and that that that you know,

694
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: they should be pushing their me and to say, you

695
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 1: know what, why don't you hit another woman? Man, I'll

696
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: be having some of these dudes that hit me. I'll

697
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: be so proud of them. Um, I have dudes, and like,

698
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: I'm just to give you a gift. We have made

699
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: this gift for your brothers um or for this person

700
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: and that person. And my wife was like, you need

701
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: to make something for sugar tea, you know what I'm saying.

702
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: And I said, you know what, you got a solid

703
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 1: chick for real, you know what I mean? Because she's

704
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: looking out for the woman too. She not just thinking

705
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: of her own self. She's not just saying, well, I'm

706
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: taking care of so I don't get who else don't

707
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: eat and survive, you know. So they're simple things like

708
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: this human thing that goes on with these men, all

709
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: of them, and they have all these different handguts you

710
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: know of why they don't want And that's I'm gonna

711
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: get a little deeper in the rapidemic because I have

712
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: something on some of these situations. But the bottom line

713
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: is it's we're a part of mess at the end

714
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: of the day. And again we're a part of leaders

715
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 1: who have been pushed in front to oh, that can't

716
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: that's not opening up the doors for us. Um that

717
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: actually fell into the scariness of oh my god, we

718
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: gotta latch onto the youngsters to make it No, you don't.

719
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: The youngsters gotta follow me. I don't care the flat

720
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: I'm a g I don't have to kids is doing,

721
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I've been thinking that

722
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: way for a long time, and now it's coming back

723
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: around now all of a sudden that I've heard a

724
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: couple of conversations that old Jesus like, oh, we gotta

725
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: get back and make some O G moves and we

726
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: got to stand tall to make sure. Yeah, you guys

727
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: should have been doing that. You should have never lost

728
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: sight of who you was, that you should have never

729
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: kicked us around us who didn't lose sight and make

730
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: us feel like we had to be like the little

731
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: kids because I make conversations with them telling me I

732
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: need to be like CARDIV and I need to be

733
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: like NICKI not And I'm staying, honey, that stuff is

734
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: played out. What they're doing is old. That's not new

735
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 1: what they're doing. I'm not gonna be like them. They've

736
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: already there being like me already. It's just I'm not

737
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,439
Speaker 1: going to grind it to the ground. You know. That's

738
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: the difference, you know what I mean. I don't want

739
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 1: to just talk about sex, money, alcoholdenals violence, stripping, bully.

740
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: That stuff is so old and played out, you know,

741
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: to me, and and it's just it's it's elementary, and

742
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: it's sickening to see that they have created an industry

743
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: of the hip hop music that females are so elementary

744
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: and so shadow like that by not bringing about the

745
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: balance and bodies o gs, not helping push because they

746
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 1: helped make it like this. They're the ones that push

747
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: them in front of us and then allowed ours to

748
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: be buried, you know, by not supporting us, because they've

749
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: programmed everybody that you gotta hear a woman on a

750
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: man on a on a woman's music, or you gotta

751
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: be a woman that's going out the ordinary to show

752
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: her behind and do foolishness, act like a boy, or

753
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: run around, you know, smoking weed and and and doing

754
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: things that's gonna basically put her in jeoparty and having

755
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: to run around holding a gun and protecting herself all

756
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: day long and fighting that energy of that lifestyle that

757
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: she gotta live and some of us is just not

758
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: willing to do that. We can still be cool and

759
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: still be relevant and still be hood and ain't got

760
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: to put all that energy out there. Man, you said

761
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: a word right there. Do you think the Salt and

762
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: Pepper movie what are your thoughts on that? Do you

763
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: think it was long overdue? Do you think that they

764
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: didn't cover enough? Do you think it should have been

765
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: more broad with, you know, more to kind of include

766
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: more of the icons, specifically them exing out Sprendarella's part.

767
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: And and this is where after you give your thought,

768
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: I want to bring in Marcy on this, you know,

769
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: from being a female DJ. When I was growing up

770
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: and I wanted to be like Salt and Pepper, I

771
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: was focused on the person on the mic because I

772
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: wanted to be a rapper. I didn't think about, you know,

773
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: the the DJ part. And when I watched it, I

774
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: felt bad because even at the end, I remember saying, well, Dad,

775
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: we're Sprenderella, but it didn't really you like, click on

776
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: me really? And then I saw on folks on you know,

777
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: on Twitter. That's why you have to constantly be checking yourself.

778
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: And I'm like, why, I wonder why I didn't pick

779
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: up on that. And I felt bad because I should

780
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: have recognized that she wasn't being you know, recognized as

781
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: she should. But for me, it was a nostalgic, you know,

782
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: I was just going back to now I had my hair,

783
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: like sal I got in trouble for trying to steal

784
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: some biker shorts because I wanted to have the you know,

785
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: I wanted to have the biker shorts to be Salt

786
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: and Pepper. So I kind of you don't forgot, And

787
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: I'm glad that I'm glad that she spoke up and

788
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: and said on Twitter, you know, light time, this is

789
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: messed up that you just flat out, you know, didn't

790
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 1: include me, and that you didn't ask for my opinion.

791
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: You didn't tell my story. You can't tell Salt and

792
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: Pepper without telling the whole story. And I'm saying that

793
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: to say that has she not spoken up, I don't

794
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: even know if people even would have missed that. Now,

795
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: they would have missed it if it would have been

796
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: run DMC, and you forgot to include, you know, cham

797
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: Mr Jake you know what I mean. So it's it's

798
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: it's amazing how that that just kind of just went

799
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: over people's heads because that's one of your girls. What's

800
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: your your opinion on that movie, and how that movie

801
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: just kind of kept her out of the equation. You know,

802
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 1: it goes to show you how your history can be

803
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: erased just like that, um and especially through these algorithms,

804
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: especially through the Internet and how people are getting information

805
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: now you know what I'm saying. It just goes to

806
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: show how easy you can be erased, um in terms

807
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: of if you don't speak up and help try to

808
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: bring balance, you can put somebody out of work, you know.

809
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: And unfortunately I've been in that kind of a position,

810
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna put that into rapademic as well because

811
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: of choices that I've made, you know, and was and

812
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: had the right, uh the right to make because of

813
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: the surrounding and at that moment, something I knew I

814
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: could never get back. I had to make a choice.

815
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: So the bottom line is it just again it put

816
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: me in that mindset of how easy and why I

817
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: I don't have to wrap. I could sing you know,

818
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: I could sing you a song right now to blow

819
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: you and take you into tears. You know what I mean.

820
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: I have singing albums and I'm a singer too, but

821
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: I stay in hip hop just for that reason. I

822
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: stay connected at some capacity, just because of that type

823
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: of stuff that can happen to give somebody an excuse. No,

824
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get out the scene because you ain't

825
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 1: gonna have the excuse to say, oh, well you know sis,

826
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: or oh you know, I should go. I didn't know

827
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: you were still doing. No. You all you have to

828
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: do with google me, You'll find some hip hop stuff

829
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: and you're gonna find the current. Every year. I'm gonna

830
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: make sure there's something current, you know. And if you

831
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 1: don't do that, then that's one thing that can kick

832
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: your your legacy under the under the bus. And there's

833
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: your generation wealth, there's your legacy, your kids that come

834
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: behind you, your children, your children's children. And now it's

835
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: not just financially that if there's a challenge, but it's

836
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: emotionally because you've got people saying lies on you. You've

837
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: got people somebody else creating your history, foring you and

838
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: making a movie about you, telling you what it was about.

839
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: And it's partially true and partially you know a lie

840
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: and these are the things that can happen to people.

841
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: So it put me in the mind of saying, let

842
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 1: me continue to push forward and do what I'm doing

843
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: because I'm on a serious mission to make sure it's

844
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 1: clarity in my space, you know, and that they don't

845
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: get a chance. So I'm like, you know, if I

846
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: put myself in a position like I'm in a group click,

847
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: you know, equally, it is equal. The difference is I

848
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: started off with the click, helped found it, you know

849
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 1: what I mean. So I was automatically created and presented

850
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: as an equal. However, not always treated like an equal.

851
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: But you know, hey, it is what it is. That's

852
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: the way we went into it, you know, because there

853
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 1: was brains and other brains behind it that also helped

854
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: push into it, you know, before I came and just

855
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: slid into that position position, you know what I mean,

856
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: and helped find that piece of the plazzo. But at

857
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: the end of the day, when I think about that,

858
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: you know, there is some things. I mean, there's men.

859
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to be in every picture with them

860
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: all the time. I don't want to hang out with

861
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: them everywhere they go. But I definitely don't want to

862
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: be erased out the group the click and it's so

863
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: much harder to I mean, to be the only female

864
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: a part of something. It's so much harder. Any man

865
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: can be a part of a group, but when you

866
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: are the only female you know, or when you're the

867
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: only female DJ and only that. But I don't want

868
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: to be erased. But if I'm not seeing in a picture,

869
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 1: it's just people saying, oh, that's just the boys hanging out,

870
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You don't just assume, oh,

871
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: Sugar Tea is not in a group no more because

872
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: those are boys. But I can imagine what spend a

873
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: Relic could feel as a girl and being exed out

874
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: and no excuse for her to not be seen and

875
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: when she was and that's right. At the same time,

876
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: when I look at the fact that there was other

877
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: DJs before and they were Salt and Pepper before that,

878
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's how they're looking at it,

879
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, if they're looking at it as, oh,

880
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: you know, this was us originally and we just let

881
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: you come in and do the DJ and you shouldn't

882
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: be considered to be a part of the group. However,

883
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: the world was conditioned in programmed, you know by understanding

884
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: that it was Salt and Pepper and DJ Spinderella, right,

885
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: and also the new generation is watching that for the

886
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: first time. The whole point of this movie is also

887
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: to educate people as well. Everybody don't know what happened.

888
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: How can you have How can I say, at the

889
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: end of my straight shot, no chase the show I

890
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: have at the end say shut out to my producer,

891
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: like you can't. This show can't be relevant without the producer,

892
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: without the person behind the scene, without the editor, the

893
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: click can't have a movie without Sugar T regardless of

894
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: how big of a role or small of a role,

895
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: whatever it is. How do you totally ignore that? And Marc,

896
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: I want to bring you in on this because I

897
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: just think it's important you being a female DJ. I

898
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: just want to get your perspective on how you felt, like,

899
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: did you feel erased by the DJ just kind of

900
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: being minimized, you know from that whole you know that

901
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: whole situation I did. I did want your thought, your

902
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: thought on that as well. Yeah, well, you know it's

903
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: it's interesting and listening to your conversation and you know,

904
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: Sugar speaking on the misogyny and the various layers and

905
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: challenges that women in hip hop have from you know

906
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,919
Speaker 1: what the record labels want, what they're willing to put

907
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: their money behind and promote in the way that that

908
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: gets directed competition with the men, and you know when

909
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: men feel threatened because the woman's actually come with bars,

910
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: which is what hip hop is about, you know, and

911
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: m C is about slaying with bars. That's what an

912
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: MC does. I think that in so many ways, that

913
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: Salt and Pepper movie, you know, really summed up a

914
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: lot of the struggles that women went through and have

915
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: gone through and continue to go through now in hip hop.

916
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: When you look at Salt and Pepper, really, you know,

917
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: Herbie was the one driving that ship. He was driving

918
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: it from the jump. He was dictating the money, he

919
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: was making the deals. You know, it's like Salt was

920
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: the girlfriend. She's kind of like following his lead, his direction.

921
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: They bring in Sandy, you know, it's I mean, they

922
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: bring in Pepper, and it's just you know, the way

923
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: that they went about it was very much directed by him,

924
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: even down to the money where it was like, Okay,

925
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: well I'm gonna take my cut, and you know, Salt

926
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna get this cut, let's cut you know, Pepper

927
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 1: something smaller, or you could just share what you're getting

928
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: with Pepper. Like that's messed up, you know, in terms

929
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: of the way in which you know, Spinderella's story was told. Yeah,

930
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: I mean she came into the group early on. They

931
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: did have their challenges. There was an original Spinderella, which

932
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: again was you know orchestra did by Herbie, and you know,

933
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: whatever type of politics and drama was going on with

934
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: that set up, you know, there's that Now you have

935
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: another person from the perspective of being a DJ. Yeah,

936
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 1: I think the DJ was cut out of the store,

937
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: and I think that's messed up because I remember when

938
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: all this happened. I remember remember when there was all

939
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: of a sudden a new Spinderella and we were like, oh,

940
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: it's a new Spinderella. But she was flying and she

941
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: actually added a lot to the group to the point where,

942
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: you know, when they came out with what a man

943
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: althother she was singing, she was adding other elements also,

944
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: not just behind the scenes, you know, catting up stuff.

945
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: She actually had a bigger role in the group. So

946
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: it was noticeable, you know. But when I look at

947
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: what their clap back was on and what they were saying.

948
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: They're saying that it's ultimately about their friendship. That they

949
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: had a Salt and pepper and how that unfolded, and

950
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: all the drama that they went through, which in a

951
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: lot of ways was you know, manipulated and perpetrated by

952
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: the male relationships and the various politics and challenges that

953
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 1: they had to navigate in two women in hip hop

954
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: had becoming mothers, you know, dealing with relationship drama, dealing

955
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 1: with the lack of money that they were getting, going

956
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 1: around the world and working too, your tired to the bone,

957
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: leaving your kids at home and still having to come home,

958
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: and you know, just be getting by. Like it's not

959
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: like it was all fun and games for them. So

960
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: I think from the perspective of you know, Spinderella, I think, yeah,

961
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: I think she should have been included. If you're gonna

962
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: talk about salting pepper, she added, From my perspective, she

963
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: added a lot to the group without her, she added

964
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: an extra flavor. It was like salt and pepper and

965
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: then you've got the spice of the Spinderella. You know,

966
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: I thought that was dope. So from that perspective. Yet,

967
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: but I think in a lot of ways, even on

968
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: that topic, I think that the issues and the dramas

969
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 1: and the struggles that women in hip hop face even

970
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 1: play into it down to down to that very issue.

971
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: They were abusive. Um, I think that was very abusive.

972
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: They helped kill her legacy. But that was what I

973
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: was closing out is regardless, so what it was, they

974
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: should have dealt with it in a professional perspective. You know,

975
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 1: sometimes groups don't know how to separate business from pleasure.

976
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: And when they don't know how to separate business for pleasure,

977
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: they don't use logic, they use emotions. And when you

978
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: don't have no leader that's good enough to just be

979
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: real with everybody and say, look, the only way we're

980
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: gonna do this is what you salt and pepper and

981
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: such such. You know what I'm saying, d D. They

982
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: spending real because this is what it was, and we

983
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: want to be respectful to everybody. Somebody has to stand

984
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: in that gap. But that's what people do with groups.

985
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: They do these kind of things. They'll pick the person

986
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: that they feel is the most valuable, and then sometimes

987
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: you have a leader at the top that has so

988
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: much ego. He think it's all about him, or she

989
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: think it's all about her. You know, you got people

990
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: on the outside. I wouldn't help them. Look what they did,

991
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: you know, such stuch. It could be twenty years ago,

992
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 1: you know what, Look what they did. I wouldn't help them.

993
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't share with them, you know, you know, they're

994
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: bad influencers and they head you know what I mean.

995
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 1: And then yet alone they're successful. That makes it even

996
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: worse because then they're ego is really big and their

997
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: head is really big, and the devil really talks to

998
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: them to tell them, you know, it's about you. You you,

999
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: if you do this, you're gonna help them. You don't

1000
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: need to help them, help yourself. It's all kinds of

1001
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: stuff that come with that. And the next thing, you know,

1002
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: they make a move and here they go, they got

1003
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: this lady's legacy erased, you know, doing something like this.

1004
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: There's no excuse for that. And I don't. I don't

1005
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: appreciate that, and I don't I like Finderella and I

1006
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: like too, you know, I like salt Um. I met her,

1007
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: I never met Pepper, I met Salt. Me and Salt

1008
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: traveled the same road by changing our our growth, spiritual

1009
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: growth and were connected in that world for a second

1010
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: and we actually exchanged information. I never really got to

1011
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: work close with her, but she was very open to

1012
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: communicate and gave me her real number, you know what

1013
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: I mean. She wasn't acting funny and um. And I

1014
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: think if I would have continued to work on the relationship,

1015
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: we probably would have a much closer relationship. But I

1016
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: also have worked with Finderella and created projects and actually

1017
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: included her with the mind to sell the products and um,

1018
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: you know, and Spinderella has always been very receptive. Matter

1019
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: of fact, I brought her to the Bay Area for

1020
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: the first time before anybody brought her out here and

1021
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: gave a big party in the Bay Area. Just loved

1022
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: on her. You know. He had like three three to

1023
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: five thousand people out the door at this one club.

1024
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: It was the biggest night that they ever had in

1025
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: their life, called Sweet Jimmy's here in Oakland, UM years

1026
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: ago in nineteen nine eight. I believe it might have

1027
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: been two thousand, somewhere around in between nine and nine

1028
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: and two thousand, so you know, so I know she

1029
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 1: meant a lot to everybody, and she to me. It's

1030
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: always receptive to working with everybody, and she was around DJ.

1031
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: She showed up, was showed out, and she made it easier.

1032
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: Why And but I mean I think, don't you think

1033
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: that it comes down to the bag? Like I think

1034
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: it comes down to the bag. I mean, you know,

1035
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: I wasn't there when the when the check was cut

1036
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: and when the contract was signed. But I'm sure that

1037
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: Spinderella didn't get paid either. Hey, like a DJ, that

1038
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: was my understanding talking about in that film. Oh yeah, yeah,

1039
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: I don't think it was about the bag um And

1040
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: I don't even think it was about getting paid for

1041
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: the film. I think it was about if they got

1042
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 1: something personal going on, you know, because people get offended groups.

1043
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: First of all, they gang up in groups. Sometimes there's

1044
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 1: all three on each other's side, you know, or all

1045
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: to on each other's side, and then it's too it's

1046
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 1: not or sometimes it's you know, it's one against all

1047
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 1: of them, you know, and they create what you called

1048
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: gang rivalry. At the end of the day, have any

1049
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: side buying the conversations, and sometimes you might end up

1050
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: being the one that's look inside eyed at and that

1051
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: side eyed person has to survive, so she might go

1052
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: move around and try to get some stuff done, and

1053
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: it might even make her look even worse or him

1054
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: look even worse because he trying to survive, you know

1055
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 1: what I mean. And it's like you know, sometimes they

1056
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: have to step back for their shake of their health

1057
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: to balance and be like, look, I'd rather step back

1058
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: and just try to figure this out. Into this either

1059
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: play stuff out or we're able to have a conscious

1060
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: conversation so we can come to a conclusion, you know,

1061
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: on the terms that well a loss is still work together,

1062
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,919
Speaker 1: but sometimes it's hard for them to come for people

1063
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: to come together in groups like that. I'm in a group.

1064
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: I understand that I've been kicking out many times, you

1065
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Where don't nobody want to talk

1066
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: to me? And I don't wanna talk to them either,

1067
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying until it calms down and

1068
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: somebody can tell the whole story. And sometimes people can't

1069
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 1: separate business from pleasure that it ain't no get that

1070
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: sometimes it's all about them. Where you did it, You

1071
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: chose this choice. So now I don't need you and

1072
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: you don't need me, or I don't need you and

1073
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: you need me. So if you do come, you better

1074
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: come kissing somebody or come crawling to me because I

1075
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: got all the answers, and some people are not gonna

1076
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: do that, you know what I mean. But unfortunately, because

1077
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: of that seed that was already sold in the brand

1078
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: that you created, when it's time to do stuff like that,

1079
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: then that's where the problem can come. It's like, now,

1080
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: you know, can y'all just come together for that moment

1081
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,240
Speaker 1: just because But it's hard for people to separate business

1082
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: from pleasure when you're immature and when the enemy is

1083
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,399
Speaker 1: in that, you know, and when we have portals open

1084
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: that allows us to receive that inner g of not

1085
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: coming to the conclusion to elect. Look, even though we

1086
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 1: ain't getting along, it's still legacy. It's still a group

1087
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: at the world love. It ain't just about us, even

1088
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: if it's just coming together once a year, twice a year,

1089
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: three times a year for these kind of projects. We

1090
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: could just say we come at these times and we'll

1091
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 1: talk about what we're gonna leave out and what we're

1092
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: not so that when we come even when we come

1093
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 1: together at that time, we're gonna make the right choices,

1094
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: you know, and not make this worse for each other,

1095
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,720
Speaker 1: just for the sake of generation well, for the sake

1096
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: of generation legacy, for the sake of the world and

1097
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: people that follow us and love us, you know, and

1098
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: being able to continue to give that to them and

1099
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 1: to everybody to get a little money in their pocket.

1100
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: You ain't gotta be marrying each other all the time.

1101
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: You can be married and separated and come together when

1102
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: you need to go on about your very way and

1103
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: keeping pushing. You know. One thing that I know is

1104
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: about the movie that I didn't know was how they

1105
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: highlighted how Pepper didn't even want to be a rapper.

1106
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: And I would have never known that if I if

1107
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: I didn't watch the movie, you know, and she was saying,

1108
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: I don't even want to rapping. He wrote everything for her,

1109
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: And it seems so even though we know men have

1110
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: writers all the time, but we're talking about the dynamics

1111
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: of hip hop female versus men. And I know there

1112
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: were people who left that movie saying, you know, female,

1113
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,399
Speaker 1: see they don't even write their own lyrics. They're put

1114
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: together there, you know, their projects. They're meant to just

1115
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: do one certain thing, which I think is totally unfair

1116
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: because again, men have rappers, but what they have highlighted

1117
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: men in that way, you know, the show, And even

1118
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: if it's the truth, my point is they decide what

1119
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,439
Speaker 1: goals in these movies and what goes out of these movies.

1120
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: You know, what they put in and what they don't

1121
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: put in. And I left feeling like they kind of

1122
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: made it seem like females are just here to be

1123
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: Barbie dolls. And they did do you know, do right

1124
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: by uh By Salt and show that she really was

1125
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: a rapper and she was really, you know, as involved

1126
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: as she could be. But even then she still was

1127
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: controlled by her man. So again, true story. I'm not

1128
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: saying it's not a true story or what it is,

1129
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: but I know the impression that was left on females

1130
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: really handling their business. And being a lyricist and a writer,

1131
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: I would hope that at some point there's another movie

1132
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: made about another icon that can show that females can

1133
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: really run their business and so that that's not the

1134
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,399
Speaker 1: impression that we're leaving on the younger generation that didn't

1135
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: know anything about you know, Salt and Pepper. When I

1136
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: was inspired by them, I was young fourth grade. I

1137
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't think about who was writing this, who's right now?

1138
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: I thought they was cute, and they could dance and

1139
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: they could rap, and I was attracted to that. But

1140
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: those who don't even know anything about the legacy, I

1141
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 1: feel that doesn't need to be the last conversation we

1142
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 1: have about you know, icons in the game, and it's

1143
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: not taking anything away from them, but it's important to

1144
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: show that women doing their own handling their own business too.

1145
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: It's not all just male dominated and somebody's sleeping with

1146
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: somebody and you getting on because you got a boyfriend,

1147
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: and you know what I mean. It's it's it puts

1148
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: that in the game that all women that come up

1149
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 1: must be dating somebody, and we've all that with that, oh,

1150
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: must be sleeping with them, Mark, you must be this

1151
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 1: movie that No, actually all my clients are female. All

1152
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 1: male clients that I've had, I've never slept with. First

1153
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: of all, I'm not even tracted to squares in that way.

1154
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,879
Speaker 1: So let's get there, let's get this straight. It's like, Man,

1155
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: I like a lot of my industry at all, but

1156
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: there's always this presumption, you know, that women have to

1157
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: sleep with somebody to get ahead, or somebody has to

1158
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: give them, you know, the toolbox in order to do it,

1159
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: and that that movie perpetrate that it just it just

1160
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: did on both sides of the gown. That's you know what,

1161
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: that's a good point, you said, Tesla, And it's it's

1162
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: a lot. That's a really good point because the reality

1163
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: is there is a difference. Um here on the West Coast.

1164
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 1: We write our own music, me I didn't, you know,

1165
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: I do, and I know a couple of others that

1166
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: write there music, you know what I'm saying, And we

1167
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 1: run our own production. We're independent. I'm a record label,

1168
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I was born into a

1169
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: record label as an executive and was taught to run one.

1170
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: And today I still run one, and I still run

1171
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: Sugar Team Music, you know what I mean, thirty six

1172
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: years later, and one the whole movement. So some of

1173
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: these women really don't run there on stuff, you know

1174
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: what I mean. And it's a problem, and some of

1175
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: them are not taught the game, um. And that's half

1176
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 1: of the reason why they don't share with nobody else,

1177
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: because they really don't know what's going on. They have

1178
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: to depend on the machine, you know what I'm saying.

1179
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: That's part of the reason why you see half of

1180
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: us don't even work together because a lot of them

1181
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: really don't understand what to do. And sometimes they'll see

1182
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: if Sugar t coming, because don't none of them have

1183
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: us reach out to me to come for want to

1184
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: work with me at all, So you know, you you

1185
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: you um bless their ares, But we're just as bad

1186
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: as the young and the older generation of females. The

1187
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: only one that reached out to me is Latifa for

1188
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: the event, and I was surprised, to be honest with you,

1189
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: to for her to make sure she highlighted me as

1190
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: a West Coast female, West Coast pioneer for VIACH one

1191
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: and I give her a shout out for being real.

1192
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: And I believe it was only because if our our

1193
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 1: first way that we hooked up, it was one hunted

1194
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: and she knew that's what I was about, you know

1195
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because she got to see me in action.

1196
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: She got to see me dominate the stage when she

1197
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: came to day and she was out there and she

1198
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: was in the crowd when I seen her, and I

1199
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: was like, wait a minute. We was at this big

1200
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 1: summer jam and I was like, wait a minute, y'all,

1201
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: go get her. You know, I talked the security guyn,

1202
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: go get a queen. Go get her out the crowd.

1203
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: Don't have her setting out there. You know she was

1204
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: out there, you know she was kind of tossed. So

1205
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: she's looking on her over everybody. And I've seen her

1206
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: and I'm like, nah, don't get her. Because I was

1207
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: always a chick lover, meaning that not in the gay way,

1208
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: but I I don't I like men. I'm head of

1209
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: sexual but just makebody get that twisted. But I was

1210
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: always like, I'm the only girl out of five men

1211
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: that I grew up with, you know what I mean.

1212
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: I was happy to see another girl. I'm like, oh,

1213
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: I got a friend, I'm sick of him. I'm go

1214
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: hang out with the girls, you know. You know what

1215
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: I mean. So you're in a group as the only girl,

1216
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: and you grew up in the house with the only girls. Unfortunately,

1217
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: sometimes when you're the only girl, you don't always get

1218
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: the best crowd of women that come around, the boys

1219
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: that like you and want to embrace you, in love

1220
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: on you. Sometimes you could actually be hated on because

1221
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: of that, and then that's that's on another story. But anyway,

1222
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: the bottom line is, um I was happy to see

1223
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: her coming, and I got the guard to get hurt.

1224
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: And when we came into the movement, we connected, We

1225
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: exchange numbers. She got to hang out and see the show.

1226
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: She got to see that I was a dominator. I

1227
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: wasn't playing around. I was able to hold my own

1228
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: and I think that that gave her a lot of respect.

1229
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: And then of course I'm sure she looked deeper and

1230
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: a lot of people like our saying Shante. You know,

1231
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: she said when she was on the West Coast, on

1232
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: the East Coast, she was like, shoot, um, Sugar, I

1233
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: used to listen to you. She gave me an award

1234
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,439
Speaker 1: on the Hip Hop Honors Um on the West Coast

1235
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: hip Hop Honors Um the Underground Girls of Hip Hop,

1236
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: and she when she gave my award, I got it

1237
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: on tape and everything. She said, I was listening to

1238
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: you on the East Coast, and I was like, I'm

1239
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: coming to the bank because I want to come right

1240
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: with Sugar. And I was like, girl, I'm listening. I

1241
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: was listening to you with the let me tell you

1242
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: what's our eath guest? Hey, how I got to be

1243
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: so fresh? You know? That was our anthem, that was

1244
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: our little hood, female hood anthem. So I was like,

1245
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: I was rocking with you too, so when we connected

1246
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: it was like boom, we know each other. But they

1247
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: make it so hard for the older generation of females

1248
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: to ax. It's very difficult for them to share their territory,

1249
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And in a lot of

1250
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: cases they don't when they don't know this independent system.

1251
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: That's the difference. Were here in the West Coast, in

1252
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: the Bay area of the West, I can say, you know,

1253
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: as trailblazers of the independent movement, you know before master P.

1254
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. A lot of people give

1255
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: master P the credit, which he gets credit to Um.

1256
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, we were in the same time, at

1257
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: the same movement, with the same connection you know, UM,

1258
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: and moved around you know as such, and by the

1259
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: fact he hired me to do one of my first

1260
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: features with me at X. But bottom line is we

1261
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: move independently and we run our own movement, and we

1262
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: know how to go in there and get a producer

1263
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: to right or to right to do music. We can

1264
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: get up production. We you know me in particularly and

1265
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: um most of us even here was not trained like me.

1266
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: So I know that sometimes the women in that movie,

1267
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: what the women having to go by the support of

1268
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: the men um and those that were connected to them

1269
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: and rely on the machine. It is true, you know,

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01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: most of the women are relying on the male machine,

1271
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: and unfortunately that is a lot of the downfall two

1272
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: of the woman, because you need a woman too, you know,

1273
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: in your ear, not just a man, you know, because

1274
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: sometimes you know that balance is needed because a woman

1275
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: understands what I want to go through and what she needs,

1276
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: not just a man, you know. And the man sometimes

1277
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: you know, have a certain way and it could make

1278
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 1: you a break you and then when you date the man,

1279
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: it makes it even worse. Or if you're in a

1280
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: relationship with them and something happens, then now you kind

1281
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: of left behind a little bit. And sometimes they could

1282
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: even black bail you and put you in a position

1283
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: you got no way out, you know, and no way

1284
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: to push your own stuff. Because if you look, you

1285
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: see a lot of them don't put out a lot

1286
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: of albums because they can't about they're depending on their

1287
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: real machine, on the machine, on the commercial corporate machine.

1288
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:57,919
Speaker 1: They don't know how to just set set things up independently,

1289
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: like I was taught to continue to make music. That's

1290
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: the only reason why I'm able to make music, you know,

1291
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: only because I know how to put my own stuff out.

1292
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: And I don't care if you still ten units or

1293
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: ten thousand or ten million. At the end of the day,

1294
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: long was it's out and it's available. That's still my catalog,

1295
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: still something that I'm in control of. But they don't.

1296
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 1: So just for those who do watch it, understand that

1297
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: there are a lot um there's not a lot that

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01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: moved their move independently like that, but there is some

1299
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 1: of me that's out there. And I'm want to my write,

1300
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,959
Speaker 1: my own staff, and I produced stuff and I set myself.

1301
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: I'm a real producer. I don't even show if I

1302
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 1: played this guitar, I play the piano. I work with producers,

1303
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,919
Speaker 1: we partner, and I call it producing up. That means

1304
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: I come in and I put this sound over here.

1305
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: Let's put this over here. No, let me show you

1306
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: how to do it. And then they all clean it

1307
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: up sometimes because sometimes it's difficult to get right to it.

1308
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 1: But the bottom line is some of us are not

1309
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: roll about it, you know, but over there they are.

1310
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: And that's part of the reason why I think they

1311
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: don't work with us over here as much. You know,

1312
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:01,959
Speaker 1: the older generation of the way East Coast, because over

1313
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: here we're different and we operate and move different. I

1314
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: think there's certain coasts and move more on hype and

1315
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 1: and in the prettiness, you know, the glitz and glamour.

1316
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 1: You know, they live for the limos and the big

1317
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: hotel lifestyle and you know, the big you know, all

1318
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: super fashion design. Over here, we just put it together

1319
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: and we're like, hey, we're showing up. We got the mic,

1320
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: and we're about to make it happen, you know, and

1321
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 1: dropped off in the van. You know what I'm saying

1322
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: it is started off the glips of glamour, you know,

1323
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: because that's not what makes it. So I think they judge.

1324
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: They judge us, and we're the runts of the game

1325
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 1: and they're the prestigious of the game. And I feel

1326
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: that that is the difference between the salt and pepper

1327
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: types and you know and the tours where they're picking

1328
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: and choosing who they're gonna pick to put on it

1329
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: and who's not. And I'm grateful for Latifa because Latifa

1330
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: was one that actually said there's plenty people out here.

1331
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 1: She stepped up to the plate. I'm so glad that

1332
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: you brought up Rock Sane, Dante Sugar because the thing

1333
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: with hip hop is that the industry controls the stories

1334
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: that get told and what artists get build your financial

1335
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 1: backing for promotions. There are many powerful m c s

1336
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: like real lyricists, and again, for me, it's always about

1337
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 1: the lyricism. How I judge a female and hip hop

1338
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: is the same way that I judge men. It's about

1339
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 1: your bars, you're saying hip hop. For me, it's not

1340
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: just about bravado and bragging about what you got. You know,

1341
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 1: that's part of hip hop. But when I think about,

1342
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,959
Speaker 1: for example, the song self Destruction, to teach to each

1343
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: is what rap intended is one of the lines that

1344
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 1: d NYE says, And that's how I think about hip hop.

1345
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: That's what hip hop means to me. It's a movement.

1346
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: It's about talking about what's happening in our streets and

1347
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:55,439
Speaker 1: our neighborhoods and the things that you know are not

1348
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 1: being put out there. It's our form of social commentary.

1349
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: It's it's African. It's based in African principles of using

1350
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 1: music as a form of social commentary, you know, a

1351
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: way to communicate with the community, A way to call

1352
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 1: people out. Women been doing that. That's that's what women do.

1353
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm glad suged that you brought up

1354
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: Rocks and because you know, I live on the East

1355
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 1: Coast and she's from Nork and she always has bars.

1356
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 1: She always has held it down and could go toe

1357
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 1: to toe with any man. And yeah, there's the glitz

1358
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 1: and and all that, that's true, but it's still about

1359
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: the bars. You know, Latifa, m c light Rod Digga,

1360
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 1: Lauren Hill. You know, even people that are up to

1361
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: now like a rhapsody of Sarak the m c or

1362
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 1: isis the Savior or Pineapple City. You know, that's part

1363
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 1: of the younger generation on the East Coast. But they

1364
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: don't get the shine that you know some other artists

1365
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: get because they don't have the Barbie doll packaging and

1366
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: you know, what people want to see and what the

1367
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: late bols want to promote. But you know, these women,

1368
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 1: these lyricists, they've they've always been out there holding it

1369
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: down for for for the real hip hop, for the culture.

1370
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: The problem is that these stories just don't get illuminated.

1371
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 1: I found this interesting that you said you were surprised

1372
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 1: that uh, Queen puts you on. That's that's interesting. You

1373
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: know that that that actually surprised you. It says a lot,

1374
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: you know about how how much work we have to do,

1375
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 1: you know, in this industry, to to look out, to

1376
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: not be afraid of knowing that there's enough for everybody

1377
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 1: in the game, and knowing what I'm here for is

1378
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 1: not the same thing you're here for, and being confident

1379
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 1: in that. It's just hard to find women who are

1380
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: like that period. I was talking about that before we

1381
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: even started this. Marcy has her podcast too, but she

1382
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: supports mine. It's not she can get on the mic

1383
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 1: and also be a producer for me and vice versa,

1384
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 1: and and we don't see enough of that. And I

1385
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 1: don't expect everybody to be that way. But I know, well,

1386
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 1: I definitely come in. Like I was saying about Teeth

1387
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: of the I was, I was surprised because you get

1388
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 1: so used to the people trying to block you and

1389
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: not you know, the the get the gatekeepers not being

1390
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 1: fair about stuff. You know, they could use anything against you,

1391
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 1: Oh well, why should we choose her? And she's in

1392
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 1: a group, she's not considered a female hip hop honor.

1393
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,439
Speaker 1: They could have used that against me even though I'm

1394
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 1: in a group, and I mean I got solo songs

1395
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: in the group. I got solo albums too, But they

1396
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 1: could have used that as my That's the only reason

1397
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 1: why she was successful. So she's not really a female honor,

1398
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I was really I

1399
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 1: will say it the rest of my life, you know.

1400
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: And I have much judgment on a lot of people,

1401
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 1: but on her. She can't do no wrong in my

1402
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 1: eye because kept the one, honey, and she respected me.

1403
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 1: And I truly believe because she had a chance to

1404
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 1: have that hands on experience with me, which means a

1405
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 1: lot when you have relationships. Those were the politics come in,

1406
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And um and time. She

1407
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: was being fair because she knew the northern California area contributed,

1408
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 1: you know, not just the West Coast l A Area,

1409
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: but the northern Bay area. You know, legacy that I had,

1410
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 1: that I carried that, you know what I'm saying. And

1411
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 1: you almost can say the West Coast if you really

1412
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: want to talk about you know, the bodies of work

1413
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 1: and you know, and hits and you know some other

1414
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 1: stuff that goes along with it. But I don't want

1415
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 1: to take all the credit for the West Coast because

1416
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 1: that will cause another that's me doing the same thing

1417
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 1: that all the other girls is doing. Although I do

1418
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 1: the West. I do have a song called the Queen

1419
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 1: of the West, but I did that on purpose. At

1420
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 1: one time I called the Queen of the Bay. You

1421
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I have that for a second,

1422
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: you know. But at the end of the day, I'll

1423
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 1: take I'm one of the Queens of the West, one

1424
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 1: of the originators, one of the trailblazers in here in

1425
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: northern California. Definitely, I will take all the credit because

1426
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 1: I was one of the first who made the moves

1427
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: that I made across the country and sold that seed

1428
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 1: to be more visible nationwide. But at the end of

1429
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 1: the day, it's not just about me. It's really about

1430
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 1: us as a whole and as a whole. Queena Tifa

1431
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: came to represent and say, look y'all to the industry.

1432
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 1: She said, a look, you know, it's not just it

1433
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 1: ain't Nicki Minaj is not the only you know, female

1434
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 1: m c. You know, there's people like Msy Elliott, Little

1435
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 1: Kim Sugar t Uh, such as such, such as such,

1436
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:17,679
Speaker 1: And she poured it out and made it very plain

1437
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 1: and simple, and that's what we're supposed to do for

1438
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 1: one another. People need to step up, yo yo yo,

1439
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 1: Ice Cube, come on, push your nigga. You know what

1440
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Loop, Push rage my nigga. Rage is my girl.

1441
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 1: That's right. You had rage of a part of that

1442
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 1: project too that we're part of. Enraged to me is

1443
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 1: one of the coldest, you know. And and I I

1444
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 1: still believe she's underrated and didn't not get the attention

1445
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 1: that she should have gotten or the investment, let's put

1446
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 1: it that way, the investment in her projects that she

1447
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 1: should have gotten. And you have brought those ladies together

1448
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 1: on previous projects, and people need to know that that

1449
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 1: you carrying what they should have been doing, you know,

1450
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 1: with Cube and all of them, then y'all should have

1451
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 1: been doing that because they put them on. I want

1452
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 1: to make it hard for me to carry. You know,

1453
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 1: I can love to continue to carry, but they don't share,

1454
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 1: they don't help. They made it rough. The guys. You know,

1455
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 1: I say Cube, I say um snoop um. All these

1456
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 1: fellas forty, all of these men. They don't want us

1457
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 1: to grow up. They want us to take kids. And

1458
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 1: it's like we're not kids. Let us have our mature message.

1459
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:26,599
Speaker 1: Let us bring the balance in the game. As long

1460
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 1: as we're hold it down, that's all. Y'all need to

1461
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: be concerned about. Some things you just do just because,

1462
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 1: not you know, get out the program. Just do it

1463
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 1: just because, just because, because it's the right thing to do,

1464
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,599
Speaker 1: because she's one of the first, because she's the queen

1465
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 1: of my camp, because she is a mother, because I

1466
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 1: have a mother and I know how rough it is

1467
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 1: to be a mother, because I see my mother get

1468
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 1: abused and I didn't like it, and I know she

1469
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 1: went through some abuse. Because it's some things you just

1470
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 1: do just because it doesn't it doesn't have to be

1471
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 1: oh because and nobody's gonna ask you for an applicant explanation, nobody,

1472
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 1: why did you do that? And it don't sound like this.

1473
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 1: They're gonna say, that's your sister, Yeah, showing love as

1474
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 1: you should. Because that's that's what I was getting ready right, Yeah,

1475
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:19,679
Speaker 1: because make make no mistake about it. And Efortney noticed.

1476
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 1: And I'm a big fan of your brother, But Sprinkle

1477
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 1: Me would not have been as successful as it was

1478
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:28,639
Speaker 1: from my view without the team coming through. Here comes

1479
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 1: the top notch Oh, you don't have to say that.

1480
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 1: When I was a girl, when I would go and

1481
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 1: rap battle, I'm telling you, I would say that like

1482
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 1: that was all about here here comes the top notch

1483
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 1: coming through that whole The whole energy shifted in that song,

1484
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:48,639
Speaker 1: and that song would not have been as big if

1485
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 1: you weren't on the record. I mean, let's just call

1486
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 1: it with it. It's not taken away from me for it.

1487
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 1: But it's important to know that there was a dynamic shift,

1488
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 1: and there was you contributed to that. You contributed to that.

1489
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:00,040
Speaker 1: How many times are gonna go? Tell tell us a

1490
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 1: little bit about that before we pause, because I want

1491
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 1: people to know how big time splating them. And so

1492
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 1: it's Hurricane Herbritkane, but you can call me it's Cae

1493
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 1: my crapit high seat sweating nor you know, Captain savor. Oh,

1494
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 1: I want to be save you know, uh, loving tricks

1495
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 1: when I'm giving and need the snitches just for my

1496
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,679
Speaker 1: richest captain save me gets all good if you're slipping

1497
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 1: all of them whoof ticket? Whof ticket? Some city chicks

1498
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 1: gotta be from the sing sing stupid ass ship soul

1499
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:28,759
Speaker 1: trains about to pay me though, So I can scat

1500
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 1: to belayo to the iggorty iggty. Oh, it's a game,

1501
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. My brothers give me credit.

1502
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 1: They give me crap. That's what he do do forty

1503
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 1: because it wasn't just a show up on the song,

1504
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 1: but I was instrumental in helping write it as well

1505
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,599
Speaker 1: as instrumental and coming up with the concept and you know,

1506
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 1: and helping expand that concept, you know, or the influence

1507
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: of that concept. So he does give me credit for

1508
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 1: that for sure. Um, right now this is the time.

1509
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 1: But we don't need credit. We need some action, Okayed, brothers,

1510
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:02,879
Speaker 1: get it together for l I'll need y'all need to mature,

1511
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 1: standing your keen leadership ability and get God sense. You

1512
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 1: understand what I'm saying, and get you're right this moment

1513
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 1: so you can shift the energy in the game because

1514
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 1: right now we need we I'm calling for these soldiers

1515
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 1: and not just on your show, but I'm calling from

1516
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 1: a period and I'm not gonna let down until they's

1517
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 1: called me mad at me and say you only tell

1518
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 1: them my bit here I am because this is the truth.

1519
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 1: The truth will set us free. We got grandkids coming

1520
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 1: with you. Guys are stopping. Are you guys are committing

1521
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 1: systematic racism against the older women. You guys are allowing

1522
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 1: this to happen, letting us get stumped on by these

1523
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 1: young chicks that's taken the mic and acting like they're

1524
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 1: queened them queendom commerce, which I am mad at the

1525
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 1: young us y'all could keep coming. But it's some other

1526
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,679
Speaker 1: chicks out here that's raw too, that's older, that should

1527
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:50,679
Speaker 1: not be pushing the game. And you guys are allowing

1528
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 1: hip hop to become a mockery of foolishness only and

1529
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 1: that's not the thing that should be happening. And you guys,

1530
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 1: get help, you know what I mean, you guys, But

1531
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 1: this is one little small way that you can or

1532
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 1: come get behind me. Come get behind sugar, Come put

1533
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 1: a machine behind me, and let me help expose the sisters.

1534
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 1: Let me be the one to take the slack, Let

1535
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 1: me be the one to do the work. You know

1536
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, that's what I want to see. You

1537
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: feel me absolutely what you basically just described as politicking.

1538
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:19,479
Speaker 1: You know, at the end of the day, everybody don't

1539
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 1: have every role to play. You know, I said all

1540
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 1: the time on my show, would say some people are

1541
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 1: looking for allies. I'm looking for straight shooters. Somebody got

1542
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:29,560
Speaker 1: to say something differently, and what I call the consequences

1543
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 1: of consciousness. I may have to take the slack of

1544
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 1: something you can't say, but that's my role. We all

1545
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 1: have to have a role in calling certain shi out.

1546
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 1: And that's why. And and back to what you said

1547
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:40,759
Speaker 1: about it ain't about you know, giving credit. This about action,

1548
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 1: which goes back to the song Wolf Tickets I did.

1549
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 1: I I use that song wolf Ti. I still use

1550
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 1: that now. I did a post maybe about a month

1551
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 1: or so ago where I said politicians and selling wolf

1552
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 1: tickets because I remember that record, all the stuff you

1553
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 1: just neighbor, I remember being in the cup and people

1554
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 1: don't even know a lot of people may not even

1555
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 1: know that you saw those verses. Addition to also rapping

1556
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 1: and also writing all of this ship so you daver

1557
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:09,600
Speaker 1: something cold hotty ship, some cold hotty nig. Yes, that's it.

1558
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 1: Disgusted and he's a time of name ranging major factor,

1559
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 1: fed Ax high time with lawyer Xanna, young nigger having

1560
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 1: his bread. Let him know, let him know, mate, let

1561
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:26,720
Speaker 1: him know, let him know, let him know. Boy. You know,

1562
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 1: it's a going but yes, girl, I'm turning the red

1563
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 1: as my lipstick you can see on the but for

1564
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:34,640
Speaker 1: those who don't know, we we Sugar and I can

1565
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 1: see each other on the video cast and I'm turning

1566
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 1: red with my lipstick. But I'm telling this, this was

1567
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 1: this was my inspiration and knowing you know that I

1568
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 1: can get on the microphone if I was not in politics,

1569
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:48,759
Speaker 1: I damn show. We kept on pushing my rap shirt

1570
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 1: and you were such an influence in that, and that's

1571
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 1: why I wanted you on the show today. We can

1572
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 1: go on and on and on, but for the sake

1573
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 1: of time, and you know, being respectful of your time. Uh,

1574
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:00,760
Speaker 1: you know, I want to close, but man, I just

1575
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 1: wanted to give your flowers. You know, while you're living.

1576
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 1: I do it all the time and have been for

1577
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 1: the last decade plus. But I wanted everybody to, like

1578
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 1: you said, it's not just about behind the scenes, you know,

1579
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 1: it's about the minute I got access ship when when

1580
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:16,679
Speaker 1: you and I did the project a decade plus ago,

1581
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 1: and I remember that was the first it was lush radio.

1582
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:21,639
Speaker 1: You would put out it was just a blog talk radio,

1583
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 1: and they wanted to interview me about the project. You

1584
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 1: and I were working on way before this came into

1585
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 1: the mix. I don't forget that ship, sugar. I don't

1586
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 1: forget what people don't understand. I've been doing this microphone

1587
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 1: thing for a minute, you know, my own and whether

1588
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 1: it's blog talk radio or a TV show in Dallas,

1589
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 1: a TV show in Orlando radio, I've been putting in

1590
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 1: the game, putting in being putting this in for a minute,

1591
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 1: and didn't have a machine like you talked about, you know,

1592
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 1: to get behind me. Marcy can attest to that. I

1593
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 1: tell her constantly. I'm just excited just to have my

1594
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:55,680
Speaker 1: heart and Charlemagne look out for, not just myself, just

1595
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 1: for other women. Maybe some people are accustomed to having people,

1596
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 1: you know, come in and support, but I'm not. Just

1597
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 1: to even have a producer, you know, be a part

1598
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:05,840
Speaker 1: of your project. I'm used to doing it myself, putting

1599
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 1: recorded interview on it, editing and putting it out. And

1600
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:10,720
Speaker 1: then the people who were around me that could have

1601
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 1: could have helped, they didn't. And those who had me

1602
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: be a part of their project. I know why they

1603
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 1: had me to be a part of the project. They

1604
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 1: saw me as value, but they didn't value me. Let

1605
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 1: me say that again, they saw me as value, but

1606
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:24,800
Speaker 1: they never valued me and my voice. So I know

1607
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 1: what it means to for somebody to put that action

1608
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:29,640
Speaker 1: behind when they actually do have a little bit of

1609
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:31,600
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit of cracking the door. And

1610
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 1: that's why I was so important to bring you on

1611
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 1: as soon as the show, as soon as I knew

1612
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 1: I was having to show you on the first on

1613
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 1: my list, my original list, when I said this is

1614
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 1: what we're gonna have on, we just gotta get the

1615
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 1: time and you know, and politics ended up, you know,

1616
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 1: pausing our interview because I needed to get through the campaign.

1617
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 1: But I wanted you to know, you know that any

1618
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 1: time I have a platform, I'm damn sol sharing it

1619
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 1: with you. I don't know my how big my platform

1620
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 1: and be, or how much help he can be, but

1621
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do my part to pay homage to the Queen,

1622
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:58,600
Speaker 1: one of the people that originated me on the microphone

1623
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 1: and its influenced being have no problem, you know, being

1624
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 1: humble and submitting myself to say, sister, you have been

1625
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 1: my sister before when he said, sugar, Sugar, that's my sister.

1626
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 1: You always been my sister. That's why we connected because

1627
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 1: I talked about you so much. And my reason like,

1628
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:14,559
Speaker 1: I know, sugar, for real, let me put you in

1629
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 1: contact with And I was like, you ship me like girl,

1630
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 1: I was more excited to meet you than I ever

1631
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 1: would any sitting press because I know who influenced me.

1632
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 1: And that's real, Like I know who influenced me in

1633
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 1: the game. That's who I had to look up to.

1634
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 1: The guys I was dating and the things I was around,

1635
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 1: it was you, you know, that really was that female

1636
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 1: is really okay? Yeah, that's what something that I can do.

1637
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 1: That ship too, I can hold my own. You're gonna

1638
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 1: respect me. You go, girl. You are everything to me

1639
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 1: and and you've been more than just that. You've always

1640
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 1: been down to earth. When we first talked, I was like,

1641
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 1: tell me about the game, and I was just sitting

1642
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:49,639
Speaker 1: there because it's so much you can just soak up.

1643
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 1: You can never be above learning something. You never know

1644
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 1: it all. You know, there's experiences that you have that

1645
01:17:57,840 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 1: I have not had that I want to know about,

1646
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 1: and more importantly, I want to uplift that so others

1647
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:05,600
Speaker 1: can learn to. You know. So I just thank you

1648
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:08,800
Speaker 1: for coming on and being you and provoke those who

1649
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:10,599
Speaker 1: don't know when we get on the phone, it's just

1650
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 1: like this, like for hours, I just listen. We talked

1651
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:17,480
Speaker 1: about so much, you know, from relationships and past trauma

1652
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 1: and business and you know, running a you know, consulting business,

1653
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 1: and even hr we've talked about that, it's staffing and

1654
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 1: giving people interview skills. I mean, we've had so many

1655
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 1: deep conversations that I hope you come back because I

1656
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:34,680
Speaker 1: want to highlight so many things about you and what

1657
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 1: you bring you know, to the game that people may

1658
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 1: not know. But this was our first at least, you know,

1659
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 1: introduction to my folks on our relationship and how important

1660
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 1: you are to me. And that's that That is what

1661
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 1: this is about. So I thank you, sister, I thank

1662
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 1: you for being who you are. I want people to

1663
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 1: know your story too, on how you talk about you know,

1664
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 1: a lot of the trauma you've been through and how

1665
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 1: you've healed from that. There's a lot that you can

1666
01:18:57,400 --> 01:18:59,599
Speaker 1: help women with. Then they need to know that story,

1667
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 1: they really do and from the business side of things.

1668
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 1: So I hope you do come back and go more

1669
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:07,640
Speaker 1: into your story. But for now, I think we've given them,

1670
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 1: we sprinkled them enough, uh to give them some game

1671
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:13,640
Speaker 1: that they need to to uh to be able to

1672
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 1: move forward. Tell them where they can find you when

1673
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 1: your next project is coming out. Where should they look

1674
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 1: up you know, look up your information before we Okay, well,

1675
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you so much. Um. I appreciate you

1676
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 1: Karen and loving on me all the time and being

1677
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 1: the same, and thank God for your platform. And I

1678
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 1: just spreated it just goes super viral on your platform

1679
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 1: in general rather or me or anybody because you deserve it.

1680
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, you guys can follow me at Sugar Tea

1681
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:41,600
Speaker 1: and Fish Show YouTube again Sugar te Official YouTube and

1682
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 1: get my latest album called The Rapidemic. Um. You can

1683
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 1: listen to it on the playlist for free on YouTube

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01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:50,080
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Speaker 1: We support parents of children with artissm moms of children

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Speaker 1: support those initiatives, so um so when you do your

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Speaker 1: them on that site. You can also follow me on Instagram, Twitter,

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Speaker 1: and I hope that you guys continue to watch the

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Speaker 1: platform with Teslin and support her platform, be a part

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Speaker 1: of her movement and help her keep conversations and make

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Speaker 1: sense going in the game. Well that is Sugar te

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Speaker 1: y'all fine, she says herself. She's a mom, she's a wife,

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Speaker 1: she's a grandma. Fine as hell. If y'all want to go, look,

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Speaker 1: she's still got still find a sales, still gotta steal

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Speaker 1: my girl. Before I did this interview, a friend of

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Speaker 1: mine text man said, I'm getting interview Sugar Tea. He

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Speaker 1: l ol. I said, why did you laugh? Said man,

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Speaker 1: you go hold your girl down to the end, and

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Speaker 1: so you believe it. You better believe I'm gonna always

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Speaker 1: he laughing because I'm always say I'm always best striking Tea.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna hold my girl. Dad. I know what long

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Speaker 1: to me. These niggas may not know it, but I

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Speaker 1: know what to bed. I'm always pay Homas to the

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Speaker 1: icon not just of the Babe, but of hip hop

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Speaker 1: in general. This is the icon you've been listening to

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Speaker 1: Straight Shot No Chasing with sugar Ty. Please go follow

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Speaker 1: my girl. She will be back so we get more

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Speaker 1: into this conversation. Make sure again shout out special shout

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Speaker 1: out to my producer who also chimed in on this show,

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Speaker 1: Marcy the Pena. Thank you so much, Marcy for putting

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Speaker 1: in your insight and people getting a chance to hear

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Speaker 1: from you and your perspective and how you look at it.

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Speaker 1: You know I'm from the East Coast because that's important too.

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Speaker 1: We must continue to lift each other up. And guess

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Speaker 1: what if you don't lift us up, We're moving on anyway,

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Speaker 1: just like the Army and Giddy. And it doesn't take

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Speaker 1: ten thousand. We really just need three hundred strong and

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Speaker 1: for those of you to to listen to Straight Shot

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Speaker 1: No Chase, so please join, make sure you write a comment, review, share, subscribe,

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Speaker 1: get down with the movement. I really believe that it

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Speaker 1: doesn't take a whole lot of us, just an up

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Speaker 1: of the only of the strong survivors that will really

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Speaker 1: continue to keep pushing this as Straight Shoot us make

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Speaker 1: sure you log in every single week. We're gonna keep

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Speaker 1: you abreast of everything that's going on in politics and

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Speaker 1: continue to have more dope interviews like this that we

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Speaker 1: can expand our conversations and grow our minds. Make sure

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Speaker 1: you continue to visit. Like I always say, use it,

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Speaker 1: lose it, but I can't make you choose it. I

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Speaker 1: your life to help continue to grow until next time.

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Speaker 1: is a production of The Black Effect podcast networking I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Tesla Figure and I like to thank

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Speaker 1: our producer editor mixer, the one and only Marcy dpina

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Speaker 1: are mixed Master Dwyane Crawford, and our executive producer charlottage

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