Speaker 1: Hey everyone, I'm Devin Simone and I am Davon Rogers,
Speaker 1: and we are back hosting MTV's Offecial Challenge podcast to
Speaker 1: cover the Challenge Season forty Battle of the Eras.
Speaker 2: Yes, Devin, it is the fortieth season of the Challenge.
Speaker 3: I'm excited. How excited are you?
Speaker 4: Girl?
Speaker 1: You know I'm excited. I've always liked old So fortieth season,
Speaker 1: we are.
Speaker 5: Gonna get into it.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it's going to be iconic. Well, first
Speaker 1: of all, just happy birthday and shout out to the Challenge.
Speaker 4: Will.
Speaker 1: Not many shows make it to forty seasons. It's iconic
Speaker 1: that we are here.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So today we're kicking off the season covering the official
Speaker 1: launch special, which Davon and I were lucky enough to
Speaker 1: host alongside TJ in Vietnam.
Speaker 2: This season is going to be so interesting to watch.
Speaker 3: We have the Battle of the Eras.
Speaker 2: Now it's gonna spy I see on this podcast because
Speaker 2: we are a part of two different eras.
Speaker 3: Okay, that is my sister. I love her.
Speaker 2: Down yeah, but we are in two total different eras,
Speaker 2: and I know she's probably gonna be rooting for her.
Speaker 1: Era, not necessarily, I'm not necessary look, I'm loyal to
Speaker 1: the people. No, I think there are I think it's
Speaker 1: just going to be so interesting to see it play out.
Speaker 1: And also the reason why probably I'm not like super
Speaker 1: loyal to my era is because I'm one of those
Speaker 1: in betweeners. I came in on season twenty one, which
Speaker 1: is the beginning of Era three, but I was initially
Speaker 1: I came on Real World during ERA two, and I
Speaker 1: was initially asked to be on a challenge season during
Speaker 1: ERA two, So in a way, I'm almost closer to
Speaker 1: some Era two people then I was Era three, so
Speaker 1: I and I love Era one. I love people on
Speaker 1: Air four. So I'm just I just want everybody to
Speaker 1: have fun and I want to see I want everyone
Speaker 1: to show up and see how they do and what's
Speaker 1: crazy too. Because okay, so to give you guys a
Speaker 1: little tea behind the scenes, so Day and I were
Speaker 1: there and it was top secret, so none of the
Speaker 1: cast new that TJ had flown us out right, we
Speaker 1: got fleut out.
Speaker 5: And it was really crazy, like really interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean, TJ just wanted it to be a surprise,
Speaker 1: and I guess he figured that's what the people wanted.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 3: That we popped out, oh chipped out.
Speaker 5: Ceet looked the most stunned. TCT like opened the door
Speaker 5: and then didn't he shut it?
Speaker 3: He shut it in our face, like just hut the
Speaker 3: door in our face.
Speaker 2: I said, you never tell me twice Mama said, don't
Speaker 2: never be no where I'm not welcome.
Speaker 3: But I'm out of here, goodbye.
Speaker 5: I think he was just so stunned.
Speaker 1: It was all in the end he gave us because
Speaker 1: but it was all crazy. But what we were doing
Speaker 1: when we did interview them is we were giving our
Speaker 1: unsolicited sister opinion. So Dale, you why don't you take
Speaker 1: the lead on some of the advice that we were giving,
Speaker 1: like Amanda, for example, on what they should be doing.
Speaker 2: Yes, going into talk to Amanda, y'all know if you know,
Speaker 2: you know, Amanda's my girl, that is my sister ro right,
Speaker 2: So having a conversation with her, I needed her to
Speaker 2: know whatever beef you got with Kara, you gotta diet
Speaker 2: it immediately because you got Tory in here, and Tory
Speaker 2: is probably about to come for your throat. And that's
Speaker 2: a common for you and Cara. So maybe just maybe
Speaker 2: you might have to put your differences aside, and so
Speaker 2: you know, I had to talk to her and tell
Speaker 2: her put your pride.
Speaker 3: Throw it down the toilet and flush it and you know,
Speaker 3: mingle and she she listened. I said, that's my girl,
Speaker 3: that's my girl.
Speaker 2: But I want to be very clear in the conversation
Speaker 2: that she's having with her. I don't think she did
Speaker 2: it for political purposes. I really think that was a
Speaker 2: genuine conversation she had with Bara like that was very
Speaker 2: genuine and it was so refreshing to see it.
Speaker 3: Even, you know, both of them being.
Speaker 2: Mature about the situation, because Kara could have not been receptive,
Speaker 2: but Cara received it. And you know, and that's also
Speaker 2: because we had a conversation with Kara.
Speaker 5: We did. We gave Carl, yeah.
Speaker 3: The same advice like, hey, you know you in here
Speaker 3: by yourself.
Speaker 1: Hold Josh, you told you and Josh hadn't started, so okay,
Speaker 1: everyone knows you start politicking.
Speaker 5: Or everyone knows that, right.
Speaker 1: And Josh over here he was they've now been locked
Speaker 1: down for I don't know how long.
Speaker 5: Josh hadn't even started, yeah.
Speaker 2: Because he had his vacation Alliance members there. I remember
Speaker 2: we asked him the tough question.
Speaker 5: We asked him.
Speaker 2: We said hey, are they gonna look out for you?
Speaker 2: And he told us he.
Speaker 3: Said, no where everybody in the Alliance is going to
Speaker 3: get their win.
Speaker 2: And I asked him, I said, do you think that
Speaker 2: they would push you in front of Anissa to get
Speaker 2: a win? Do you really think that would happen? And
Speaker 2: he couldn't come up with an answer.
Speaker 3: Well, he said, I think.
Speaker 5: We asked did you specifically clarify that with him?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: He was assuming yeah, yeah, And we were like, okay,
Speaker 1: did you point blank say, hey, is get clear? And
Speaker 1: he was like, well, no, yeah, see we can't roll
Speaker 1: with all Well, no, we can't roll with that.
Speaker 5: He's done this too many times. He knows better, Like, yeah,
Speaker 5: knows better.
Speaker 3: So it was just great talking.
Speaker 2: People got a chance to talk to Olivia about the
Speaker 2: Harassio and Nuris situation, you know, I situation Like there's
Speaker 2: so many everybody was just beefing. There's so many different dynamics,
Speaker 2: the Kara and Laurel, like, there's so much going on
Speaker 2: in this season and that I think that is the
Speaker 2: hardest part because not only are the eras competing against
Speaker 2: each other, the people within the eras aren't like competing
Speaker 2: within each other and so that's a whole different.
Speaker 1: And just like their history, Like, I haven't seen Nya
Speaker 1: and Leroy together since they both left me on the
Speaker 1: back of a bus in Uruguay because they were sitting
Speaker 1: parallel me. Okay, they were sitting opposite me. They knew
Speaker 1: I was there, they were doing other things, and they
Speaker 1: got up off that bus when the bus stopped and
Speaker 1: left me there in Uruguay.
Speaker 5: So I have not seen them together.
Speaker 1: Obviously, I've seen Lisons, you know, since.
Speaker 5: What was that like ten years ago?
Speaker 1: It was really great to just see these interesting dynamics
Speaker 1: people and to see people who were there rooting for
Speaker 1: you in one of your biggest for lack of a
Speaker 1: better term, challenges years ago, still there and thriving was
Speaker 1: just super special. And there's no one I would have
Speaker 1: wanted to share that with other than you.
Speaker 4: Day.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna cry because we had such great moments, like
Speaker 2: even you know, being there, but us bonding and having
Speaker 2: that experience as well, and then like even being in
Speaker 2: that moment, like you said, it was very nostalgic, and
Speaker 2: I think the part that got me because you know,
Speaker 2: thugs don't cry, but the part that got me was
Speaker 2: pretty much everybody was like, you know, you're supposed to
Speaker 2: be here, right, And I'm like, and to say that
Speaker 2: to me, somebody who's never won, never even made it
Speaker 2: to a final, and they all believed in me. I think,
Speaker 2: you know, Johnny has said it to me, Cee t
Speaker 2: has said it to me. Polly had me hemmed up
Speaker 2: in a corner like just like, what do you mean?
Speaker 3: What's your problem?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: And it just it was so good, so refreshing.
Speaker 2: Everyone wants to see you come back, and it just
Speaker 2: you know what it was.
Speaker 3: It was a family reunion. It was it was a family.
Speaker 2: It see my cousins and I don't know how long.
Speaker 5: That's exactly how it felt without the spades.
Speaker 1: Was a family, which you know, there's the cousins you
Speaker 1: like and the ones you get along with less, but
Speaker 1: as a whole you love them and it's family. That's
Speaker 1: exactly what it was. It was the challenge family reunion.
Speaker 1: And it was just so special seeing Lee cry when
Speaker 1: he saw Cam and the beautiful baby babies.
Speaker 5: Oh just really yeah.
Speaker 1: Overall it was just really special and can we I'd
Speaker 1: be remiss TJ.
Speaker 4: I love TJ.
Speaker 5: We talked about his wardrobe. TJ came in hot.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 5: TJ looks so.
Speaker 1: So proud of him. He loves that I critique his work.
Speaker 1: We talked about it. I relaid some of the messages
Speaker 1: you guys, the fans have sent me about TJ's wardrobe.
Speaker 1: He knows we're watching, he knows we're analyzing. He came
Speaker 1: in so fly and it was such an honor to
Speaker 1: get to stand beside him in such a special moment.
Speaker 5: We love teach.
Speaker 2: He has also approved. I want to let you guys know,
Speaker 2: he has approved of us being called TJ's angels.
Speaker 3: You gave us the.
Speaker 2: Stamp of approval people, So that's where we are. But yes,
Speaker 2: this this premiere launch party was so good. Strategy started,
Speaker 2: politickings started.
Speaker 5: I'm looking over dramas.
Speaker 3: I'm like, all of the things have started.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, and you know, the drama started, and it's
Speaker 1: only going to get better and juicier. I cannot wait
Speaker 1: to see what happens. Okay, So I just want to
Speaker 1: know here we go. Why don't we do it? Maybe
Speaker 1: because this is an Olympic year, but why don't we
Speaker 1: I'd love for us to rank the eras each week,
Speaker 1: So I want to know, Like, who do you think
Speaker 1: is going to come out on top like gold, who's
Speaker 1: going to get silver, who's gonna get bronze, and who's
Speaker 1: going to get participation? And it can be the same
Speaker 1: each week, it can change based on what happens in
Speaker 1: that episode. And I know the competition hasn't officially begun yet,
Speaker 1: but just based on what you're seeing, based on who's
Speaker 1: on what team and the histories, what would be your
Speaker 1: order or your ranking this week?
Speaker 4: Okay, so.
Speaker 3: Participation points. First of all, I love my era down.
Speaker 1: Okay, how many times she keeps saying that by the
Speaker 1: end of the season.
Speaker 2: But it's just too much pride. It's just too much drama.
Speaker 2: It's just it's too much. And you know what it is,
Speaker 2: it's a lot of people who want to be in charge.
Speaker 4: What is the time?
Speaker 2: Too many chefs in the kitchen, way too many chefs
Speaker 2: in the kitchen. Right, everybody has the it's my idea,
Speaker 2: We're gonna do my plan. Everybody wants to be the
Speaker 2: top dog in Era four, So I think I'm going
Speaker 2: to give them participation trophy.
Speaker 3: They showed up, they were there Era one and two.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of stuck between which one to give the
Speaker 2: gold because I feel like they both have something to prove.
Speaker 3: I feel like they have something to prove.
Speaker 2: All these you know new kids as they like to
Speaker 2: call us, have come in and have taken over.
Speaker 3: Their show, and so they have something to prove.
Speaker 4: And so.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give the gold to Era two.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna give the gold to Era two. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna give the silver to Era three, and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: give the bronze to Era one. And the reason I
Speaker 2: said I'm gonna give the silver to Era three is
Speaker 2: because you got Tory, you got Jordan, you got There's
Speaker 2: a bunch of champs there, you.
Speaker 5: Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And then not to take away from anybody else because
Speaker 2: a bunch of champs everywhere else, but a lot of
Speaker 2: recent champs are there, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3: You know, they just fresh out.
Speaker 2: A lot of them was in the last couple of seasons.
Speaker 2: So you know, how you do something, it's like muscle memory.
Speaker 2: Oh I was just here. Some other people got to
Speaker 2: shake the dust off, you know, Tride some oil on
Speaker 2: the team.
Speaker 3: Can We don't know?
Speaker 4: So how about you?
Speaker 5: You know what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1: For as of right now, my rank in the pre
Speaker 1: week of the Challenge Season forty. I'd have to say
Speaker 1: that I think I think participation and I love my
Speaker 1: Ara down for participation, I'm gonna give Era three for
Speaker 1: what you said about air Force. I think Era three
Speaker 1: has too many cooks in the kitchen and I feel
Speaker 1: like they're in that hybrid stage where I will be
Speaker 1: hopeful but surprised to see if they learn how to
Speaker 1: really work together as a team. I think they are
Speaker 1: all very loud, talented, but individuals, like individualistic, and I
Speaker 1: just don't even I don't even see really many teams
Speaker 1: among them, Whereas for the other eras, I can see
Speaker 1: little grouping, you know, like I see kind of half
Speaker 1: teams and it's like, all right, if they could just
Speaker 1: bridge this gap, then they can all work together. Whereas
Speaker 1: Era three, I feel like you're starting from the bottom.
Speaker 1: Although I am hopeful in seeing Amanda and just how
Speaker 1: she approached Kara, and maybe it works. So I'm giving
Speaker 1: participation to my own Era for this week. Era three,
Speaker 1: I think the bronze would go to And this one
Speaker 1: is tough because there are it's it's there.
Speaker 5: Is a line.
Speaker 1: I think the bronze would probably go to Era four.
Speaker 1: I do think there are some powerhouses on there, Like
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Kyland, I'm looking at Orossio, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at Nourice. I'm looking at Olivia too. But and Casey, Actually,
Speaker 1: you know what, never mind, take that back.
Speaker 5: I lied.
Speaker 1: No, I think Bronze is going to go to Era
Speaker 1: two only because I think they might self implode, right, Like,
Speaker 1: I think there's some strong ones there. There's a group,
Speaker 1: but I think they can get distracted in fighting. I'm
Speaker 1: also not quite sure how strong the guys are. I
Speaker 1: think the Silver goes to Era four because I think
Speaker 1: there are some powerhouses in your era, like collect Michelle
Speaker 1: is literally a political mass.
Speaker 5: I mean we called her the Godfather.
Speaker 1: Like, Michelle's brilliant and if they can just learn to
Speaker 1: work together, Casey is like, like, don't sleep on Casey, right, Casey, Olivia, Nourice,
Speaker 1: uh Herdassio, Kylind you got so many strong people there, Appaullie.
Speaker 5: So I think Silver goes to air for.
Speaker 1: And right now, I'm gonna say, I know they're old,
Speaker 1: but with that age comes a certain level of wisdom.
Speaker 1: Mm hm. So I think Era one could take home
Speaker 1: the gold. At least that's how I see it this week.
Speaker 1: I think Era one could take.
Speaker 3: Home the gold Era one.
Speaker 5: We'll see when the game actually starts.
Speaker 1: So how did our numbers line up? They definitely didn't
Speaker 1: because you said for gold Era two.
Speaker 3: Or we were not on one accord at all. And
Speaker 3: that's okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's gonna make this that's whats gonna make it fun.
Speaker 1: And don't worry you guys. We're still gonna do gold
Speaker 1: Star in timeout, but nobody has done much of this episode,
Speaker 1: so we're just letting it fly. I mean, the gold
Speaker 1: Star ultimately would be TJ's wardrobe and and hours because
Speaker 1: day you look so flying.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 5: She hated her heels was great?
Speaker 3: Okay. I think we came in and we was floating.
Speaker 5: Okay, we did. We did just TJ and his angels.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be such a fun season and we are
Speaker 1: excited to go on this ride and journey with you.
Speaker 5: And get all the tea and talk.
Speaker 1: To all these generations because we're literally looking at a
Speaker 1: competition of Gen X, millennials and Gen Z which is
Speaker 1: really cool. Yeah, kudos to whoever came up with this
Speaker 1: format because that's actually pretty brilliant.
Speaker 3: Oh, this is gonna be great.
Speaker 2: Oh, this is gonna be so good. I'm excited. I'm
Speaker 2: so excited that we are back on the podcast. We
Speaker 2: love our girls, Thank you guys for coming. We do
Speaker 2: Tori and Anissa, they held down the fourth for the
Speaker 2: previous season.
Speaker 3: Devin and I are.
Speaker 2: Back and we get to watch our girls play. Yes,
Speaker 2: and I'm so excited for them, for.
Speaker 1: Sure, absolutely, and we are so excited for you guys
Speaker 1: and our first guest. She is an icon because she
Speaker 1: won and then she just disappeared and now she is back.
Speaker 1: She is coming for she's coming to remind us all
Speaker 1: why she is a Challenge champion. You guys are not
Speaker 1: going to want to miss this interview. We haven't heard
Speaker 1: from her and literally over a decade, almost two decades.
Speaker 1: So grab some snacks, get comfy, whatever you gotta do,
Speaker 1: but don't go anywhere because when we come up, we have.
Speaker 5: An interview with iconic Challenge champion of ev of E
Speaker 5: right after this.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get back to the show, all right.
Speaker 5: Ladies and gentle people.
Speaker 1: We are so excited for our first guests as we
Speaker 1: kick off the season forty of the Challenge. She's iconic,
Speaker 1: she came, she left her impression and then she was like,
Speaker 1: I'm out, but now she's coming back for season forty.
Speaker 1: Please give it up for a challenge, Champion of the.
Speaker 5: Welcome Girl.
Speaker 1: Welcome first, can we say you are smoldering right now?
Speaker 1: I mean just gorgeous, literally all the vibes, and you're
Speaker 1: so excited to have you here. And how do you
Speaker 1: feel being back after being gone for so long?
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, amazing. I feel better than I have
Speaker 4: felt in a long time. And I think this opportunity
Speaker 4: for me sort of came out of nowhere. I had
Speaker 4: let go. You know, my first season was eighteen years ago.
Speaker 4: I was twenty one years old. I was still finishing
Speaker 4: up college. I was a baby. I didn't know, you know,
Speaker 4: just much about myself, much about life. And that being said,
Speaker 4: I came, I won, and then then I was never back.
Speaker 4: So it was just like this cool thing that had
Speaker 4: happened at one point in my life and I moved
Speaker 4: on and to have this resurface after so long, and
Speaker 4: I think for me, you know, I had just turned
Speaker 4: forty years old to have Season forty B forty and
Speaker 4: come back to sort of this circle of life that
Speaker 4: had started so long ago. And it never really had
Speaker 4: you know, I think I never really had closure, and
Speaker 4: I didn't realize it because it just, you know, it
Speaker 4: was what it was, and that was it. So how fun.
Speaker 1: Because we have at earlier AVIV. Yeah, were you called
Speaker 1: back and you just turned it down? Or had you
Speaker 1: not heard from the Challenge since?
Speaker 4: So basically I was pretty boring my first season, like
Speaker 4: minus winning, which apparently doesn't matter. But I didn't talk much.
Speaker 4: I was terrified and I had been on a season
Speaker 4: with all vets pretty much everyone in Era one, So
Speaker 4: what you'll see is like, I'm much closer. Actually, I
Speaker 4: know more people in Era one than I did. You
Speaker 4: know an era too, which was interesting the season in general.
Speaker 4: But you know, I think they called me back once
Speaker 4: for availability, and then I had recently missed something in
Speaker 4: the last two years when they started All Stars, and
Speaker 4: they'd asked me to come for All Stars, but I
Speaker 4: didn't see the message because I'm like forty. So anyway,
Speaker 4: on jokes aside, I ended up kind of reconnected with
Speaker 4: some people, and I think it was probably due to
Speaker 4: some of the All Star stuff, and you know, Derek,
Speaker 4: some people that I had worked with in Challenge media
Speaker 4: and before I knew it. I had a call. It
Speaker 4: was originally going to be potentially All Stars, and then
Speaker 4: they put me in as an alternate for forty and
Speaker 4: I'm like, Okay, this probably isn't going to happen. And
Speaker 4: ten days before the show I found out, I was going, so.
Speaker 2: Wow, wow, we want to be put in that moment
Speaker 2: because eighteen years is.
Speaker 5: A long time, long time.
Speaker 3: And so you get the actual phone call.
Speaker 2: What happens is it like yeah, sign me up, where
Speaker 2: it's like hold on, let me let me let me
Speaker 2: think about that for a minute.
Speaker 4: I was just like I have a few questions, right, no, right?
Speaker 5: What were the questions?
Speaker 4: Well? Number one like how long is this right? Right,
Speaker 4: which was like, dude, ten and a half weeks? Eleven weeks?
Speaker 4: And I was like are these people out of their minds?
Speaker 4: Like I have two kids? But also I was like, wow,
Speaker 4: that sounds like a lovely vacation. So so I'm like, okay,
Speaker 4: well whatever, I don't have to be there the whole time,
Speaker 4: won't be you know, Okay, so let's just say whatever.
Speaker 4: We don't know how long it's actually going to be.
Speaker 4: And then you know, talking to my husband and the
Speaker 4: kind of cool thing is that I had actually met
Speaker 4: my husband right before I filmed Fresh Meat. So we
Speaker 4: had been together in college and we had maybe been
Speaker 4: together three months when you think, you know, you're in
Speaker 4: the honeymoon stage and you can't like and now we've
Speaker 4: been married for you know, I've been together over twenty years.
Speaker 4: Like I don't even I'm like the man in the relationship.
Speaker 4: I don't know when our anniversary is. I don't know when.
Speaker 4: I just know we're together and we have two kids
Speaker 4: and we're just making it work. No. But uh so
Speaker 4: he was familiar with show, so it made it a
Speaker 4: little bit easier to have a conversation. And I think
Speaker 4: and I were just like, holy shit, yeah, like is
Speaker 4: this really happening? And in that moment, we're kind of like, well,
Speaker 4: it could happen, but it probably won't. And I had
Speaker 4: just left my job at corporate and I pretty much
Speaker 4: had had kind of a rough experience my last sort
Speaker 4: of six months with just fighting the corporate world like
Speaker 4: for so many years and being good at it but
Speaker 4: not really wanting to do it, you know, just some
Speaker 4: of the corporate bullshit that goes on, and always wanting
Speaker 4: to work for myself. So I had just left, So
Speaker 4: I was kind of like in this space of like
Speaker 4: what am I going to do? Am I going to
Speaker 4: go for another job? And then honestly I got the
Speaker 4: call and I was like, I think I need to
Speaker 4: wait and see. It's probably not going to happen, but
Speaker 4: let me like ride it out. And I didn't have
Speaker 4: much notice. I wasn't really training, but I've always stayed
Speaker 4: in shape.
Speaker 1: Amazing if you guys say right now, no shape, nominal shape. Now,
Speaker 1: speaking of training, we know you're a champion. We know
Speaker 1: that you were friends with several champions, but one fellow
Speaker 1: champion in particular, who happens to be a guy who
Speaker 1: happens to train a lot, Darrell, And he said that
Speaker 1: you didn't even tell him that you were coming on
Speaker 1: this season.
Speaker 5: What was the reason behind that?
Speaker 4: Well, are we not allowed to tell people? Isn't that
Speaker 4: a rule?
Speaker 3: I mean I used to follow the rules.
Speaker 5: I used to follow them.
Speaker 4: I'm just kidding.
Speaker 5: So he said, pregaming, Yeah, this is not a.
Speaker 4: Liability right now with the corporate girl.
Speaker 1: So nothing on this podcast is a liabilit just so
Speaker 1: you Knowrel is lying.
Speaker 5: So he knew, and he said he didn't know.
Speaker 4: You know, I think I think I didn't really tell
Speaker 4: anyone to begin with, because it really happened so quickly.
Speaker 4: So I really found out days before. And then there
Speaker 4: was a part of me that was just like, I'm
Speaker 4: not going to start calling everyone because right, this is
Speaker 4: my first time back in eighteen years, Like I'm not.
Speaker 4: And so I think there were probably a couple of
Speaker 4: people that I reached out to literally like two days before,
Speaker 4: and I too, by the way, but I think Drell
Speaker 4: was wonderful, so you know, and he was like, what,
Speaker 4: I'm so excited, So anyway, what a liar?
Speaker 3: All Derail?
Speaker 4: Okay, it'll be good, great for story, Darrell.
Speaker 2: Right, were you excited to see anybody after being gone
Speaker 2: for such did you oh the show?
Speaker 1: Did you research before coming on knowing that you were
Speaker 1: going to be coming?
Speaker 5: Did you at least do a little research?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, so that I did, but I didn't. I mean, okay,
Speaker 4: the episodes are so long now, and like when I
Speaker 4: did it, it was like twenty two minutes, and I'm
Speaker 4: pretty sure that was with commercials, you know, it was
Speaker 4: like something like that. I think it was actually tout,
Speaker 4: but it was twenty two minutes. And I remember I
Speaker 4: hadn't be like CDs or sorry, DVD's, but same thing basically.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I tried. I watched some of the All
Speaker 4: Stars once because initially I thought they were going to
Speaker 4: call me for All Stars, so I was like, I
Speaker 4: should watch it all Stars, which were too bad, and
Speaker 4: then I started to watch. I watched like it must
Speaker 4: have been season thirty eight, and I just remember kind
Speaker 4: of being oh my god, so long, like no wonder
Speaker 4: it takes eleven weeks to phone this thing. But I
Speaker 4: was watching it to kind of understand and see people,
Speaker 4: and I had figured, you know, the games changed the
Speaker 4: I don't remember trivia being a thing, and it's like
Speaker 4: a thing every time now.
Speaker 5: I love trivia personally, but you know that's.
Speaker 4: Just me, well good for me, probably got it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I went that one. It's any one where I
Speaker 5: don't get hurt, So I like that. When you were watching.
Speaker 1: The seasons, particularly you mentioned thirty eight, which is right
Speaker 1: or yes, who stood out to you in that season
Speaker 1: and who were you who did you see yourself potentially
Speaker 1: you know, aligning with or just from watching it going okay,
Speaker 1: I you know I rock with that person. And then
Speaker 1: who was someone you saw that you were like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just keep an eye out for them in
Speaker 1: the back of my mind.
Speaker 4: So I remember a Jordan and By and Devin Johnny
Speaker 4: was on it, I think, and I remembered thinking Devin
Speaker 4: was really smart, but like, watch out, you know, for
Speaker 4: whim because he's smart, and he socially seemed to be,
Speaker 4: you know, a big social player and obviously he's also
Speaker 4: got the physical stuff to kind of back it up.
Speaker 4: But he stood out to me as someone who would
Speaker 4: is very socially smart. Yeah, and I know people want
Speaker 4: to use the word manipulative, but it's part of the
Speaker 4: social game. Is part of the game, so absolutely, you know,
Speaker 4: I think everyone's just doing what they wanted to win
Speaker 4: in trying to live.
Speaker 5: He's us exactly sure.
Speaker 4: Tour, I thought Tory was a bad ass. Like I
Speaker 4: don't remember having any feelings positive really or negative towards
Speaker 4: her except that she was really good. And then I
Speaker 4: don't remember much about you know, I feel like Johnny
Speaker 4: was more of just well now I know him a
Speaker 4: little bit better, but Johnny was just Johnny with like
Speaker 4: his partner did a really good job, you know, also
Speaker 4: made it there till the end, and so I knew
Speaker 4: he was going to be a strong competitor. And then Jordan,
Speaker 4: you know, I think I was like, Wow, this guy's
Speaker 4: like ridiculous and very talented, and you can just tell
Speaker 4: he's one of those guys that's good at everything and
Speaker 4: he knows it and you know, so I knew he
Speaker 4: was going to be someone. Once standnounced that he was coming,
Speaker 4: you know that he was going to be someone as
Speaker 4: well that's going to be there. I'm trying to think
Speaker 4: if there was anyone else on that season, was Tony
Speaker 4: on it?
Speaker 1: No, Tony hasn't been back in a while, which I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people are super.
Speaker 4: Fond.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got a whole vibe.
Speaker 1: I'm pleased because, like on the outside looking in, it
Speaker 1: almost seems like you are in a unique group to
Speaker 1: have an advantage becaucause you're not as known, right, Like,
Speaker 1: you don't have so much baggage following, you are in.
Speaker 5: Shape, exactly under the radar.
Speaker 1: And you mentioned you have a really good relationship with
Speaker 1: a lot of the Era one people. As you're going
Speaker 1: into the house, at what point does your brain start
Speaker 1: to click where you're kind of thinking strategy and do
Speaker 1: you think your relationship with Era one will be a
Speaker 1: part of that strategy or will help you in the game.
Speaker 4: So I think even before walking into the house the
Speaker 4: only people, you know, I knew that what could work
Speaker 4: to my advantage could also work to my disadvantage and
Speaker 4: vice versa. So I knew that coming in as someone
Speaker 4: who most of the cast members didn't even know, it
Speaker 4: would be very easy for them to throw me in,
Speaker 4: you know. And I didn't know what that was going
Speaker 4: to look like right at this point. We didn't know
Speaker 4: that it was teams, you know, we didn't know what
Speaker 4: the voting process would look like, right or any of that.
Speaker 4: But I thought, look, there's friendships here that go back years,
Speaker 4: you know, I missed eighteen years of rapport building. Let's
Speaker 4: call it. That these people have these deep things, and
Speaker 4: so so it was I would have been an easy
Speaker 4: scapeboat for people to throw in. And they also I
Speaker 4: had women on my team. I had Laurel, and I
Speaker 4: had Kara, and I had Emily, who all have the reputation.
Speaker 4: And of course I didn't know most of this until I, like,
Speaker 4: you know, started to talk to people and just understand
Speaker 4: since I didn't know the whole history. But I'm like,
Speaker 4: to the same degree these women are really strong, and
Speaker 4: they don't know that I could be an asset to
Speaker 4: the team, right because like you said, I'm under the radar.
Speaker 4: They don't know me. And also I'm five feet tall,
Speaker 4: so people think like whatever, you know that I'm like
Speaker 4: a little chihuahua. But but at the same time, when
Speaker 4: I started to understand, and it didn't happen probably until
Speaker 4: the first more of the first week in the house,
Speaker 4: that actually these girls all hate each other a little bit, right,
Speaker 4: and they all have these rhymevalries and they're so we're
Speaker 4: about beating each other that like yeah, like, yeah, that's
Speaker 4: why I said.
Speaker 1: It's flying under the radar until you get to the
Speaker 1: end and seeing it as you're in shape. I don't
Speaker 1: know how much of it is genetics. I don't know
Speaker 1: how much of it is a gym. I can't say.
Speaker 1: It's all about, seriously, you look fabulous and so being
Speaker 1: that you have that, and that you clearly have a
Speaker 1: certain level of like power, because it's hard when you
Speaker 1: fly under the radar and you're not particularly in shape
Speaker 1: or good or certain challenges or athletic, right, because then
Speaker 1: you kind.
Speaker 5: Of can't get together.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, the way you suck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but when you're in shape, you flying under the radar.
Speaker 1: It's like there's so much potential here for you to
Speaker 1: just kind of and because you do have some friendships, right,
Speaker 1: like you do know some people, some ogs who still
Speaker 1: carry certain amount of weight and so.
Speaker 4: And they did and that yeah for sure, because not
Speaker 4: only did they make introductions, you know, but because I
Speaker 4: Tina and Tina and I were friends and people have
Speaker 4: been telling me for years like you and Rachel would
Speaker 4: love each other. Yeah, I could see that similarity.
Speaker 5: I could see that totally.
Speaker 4: And I know and I remember like taking to myself like, oh,
Speaker 4: she's like Jewish and in the sports like thanks everyone, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: To know or so.
Speaker 4: But anyway, it made the entry right, like having that
Speaker 4: warm handoff, and then you know, I knew Mark, I
Speaker 4: knew Derek. I obviously had played with Durrell. I had
Speaker 4: met CT a couple of times, but we didn't really
Speaker 4: know each other that well. I didn't know Brad, but
Speaker 4: I knew the majority of ERA one. And what I
Speaker 4: came to find out too was there were a couple
Speaker 4: of people on my team that had had relationships with
Speaker 4: ERA one. And I think it's because we were on
Speaker 4: the border, so our eras overlapped, so we had done
Speaker 4: seasons together.
Speaker 5: For all the eras.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, that's because I know I would be
Speaker 1: Era three, but it's because I turned down the first
Speaker 1: couple of times I was invited to do the challenge.
Speaker 5: So most people in Era two were people who.
Speaker 1: Started their challenge time on the same time I would
Speaker 1: have started my challenge time, but I was in Era three.
Speaker 1: So there's which is what makes this season So because
Speaker 1: it's actually two, I looked it up just to make
Speaker 1: sure it's gen X versus millennials versus gen Z all
Speaker 1: in one which and there's no definitive line because there's
Speaker 1: such a blurred, you know, crossover of people, which makes
Speaker 1: it it's funny.
Speaker 4: You do feel that like you're like some of the
Speaker 4: stuff are just what.
Speaker 1: Is this.
Speaker 4: From this planet?
Speaker 3: I feel like you coming into this season.
Speaker 2: Every single one of these eras has strong competitors, but
Speaker 2: they also have a lot of t a lot it's
Speaker 2: a lot of things.
Speaker 4: Somebody, let.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying for at Paul's what what
Speaker 3: what did you learn? What did you learn when you
Speaker 3: was watching?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I mean even just like some of
Speaker 4: the Amanda history, you know, and like that just watching
Speaker 4: that thing. Obviously Laurel and Carl, ye know what a
Speaker 4: Rachel and Johnny had history. Oh, because that's a heavy one.
Speaker 3: Carl and law is a very heavy one.
Speaker 4: I will say that I that was probably the thing
Speaker 4: that worried me the most on a team. So, like
Speaker 4: my background in my most recent years and corporate has
Speaker 4: been sales leadership, and so for me, I was kind
Speaker 4: of looking at our team like as if it was
Speaker 4: a team that I hired, which I clearly didn't. I
Speaker 4: acquired this team, but like you know, I'm kind of
Speaker 4: analyzing it from that lens, and I'm like Jesus, like
Speaker 4: we got to like getrin of both these girls, because
Speaker 4: this isn't this is not happening, and I wanted it
Speaker 4: I could. I think over the years, just being through
Speaker 4: life experiences, tried my hardest to really try to see
Speaker 4: other people's perspective and understand why they are the way
Speaker 4: that they are, because most people aren't just bad people
Speaker 4: for sure, right and most people there's some kind of
Speaker 4: trauma or some kind of trigger or something that is
Speaker 4: causing this reaction that may not seem normal to the
Speaker 4: rest of us. But you know there's a reason for it.
Speaker 4: And so I think with those two what I at
Speaker 4: the beginning it was a concern and then it was
Speaker 4: like they wanted to work together, but they like something
Speaker 4: would always happen where they they put it, you know,
Speaker 4: and their personalities just don't mesh. And I don't know
Speaker 4: that it ever will, you know, I mean, it would
Speaker 4: be really nice to see.
Speaker 5: Do you think they're in fighting?
Speaker 1: Was so, yes, they fight with one another, they're also
Speaker 1: both powerhouses together and as individuals.
Speaker 5: Do you think the.
Speaker 1: Skill set they brought to the team and the strength
Speaker 1: they brought to the team outweighed the drama they brought
Speaker 1: to the team.
Speaker 4: So it's certain points of the game I think when
Speaker 4: they were able to separate, which both of them are
Speaker 4: competitors and they're able to do this, which is great.
Speaker 4: So they can both let go of the bullshit when
Speaker 4: they're actually in the game and they can compete and
Speaker 4: they do have different strengths. And when I started to
Speaker 4: sort of see that, that gave me home because I said,
Speaker 4: as long as we're together and we're working together, whether
Speaker 4: they're upset with each other or not, they both have
Speaker 4: the ability to separate when they need to perform and
Speaker 4: perform and that's important. So then I was like, fuck it,
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to make peace between them now that
Speaker 4: I know that they can just like do it. Because
Speaker 4: for a while I was like, well maybe you know,
Speaker 4: like how about this and it was just so painful
Speaker 4: and it was I am wasting my energy here. And
Speaker 4: once I realized that none of that shit mattered and
Speaker 4: they could both separate when they needed to. And I
Speaker 4: think they also knew each other was an asset at points, right,
Speaker 4: and so their competitive side was able to say put
Speaker 4: aside the bullshit because there are definitely times and both
Speaker 4: of them were concerned they don't trust each other, which
Speaker 4: was probably my biggest fear. Right, if you have a
Speaker 4: team of people they don't trust each other, it's not
Speaker 4: a good start. It's usually doesn't get better from there.
Speaker 4: So for you know, Kara always thought that Laura was gonna,
Speaker 4: you know, throw something to get her kicked out of
Speaker 4: the game, and Laura felt the same way about Kara.
Speaker 4: And when it got into those moments, you would see
Speaker 4: them both to start to play their game anti each
Speaker 4: other and for themselves. But when it wasn't a situation
Speaker 4: where one of them was in a threat and it
Speaker 4: was just about winning. Like they both showed up. And
Speaker 4: I think that throughout you'll see throughout the shows that
Speaker 4: there's nothing for me as a woman working with strong women.
Speaker 4: All I want to see is these strong women helping
Speaker 4: each other. And that was the most disappointing part for
Speaker 4: me initially, as I was worried that that wasn't going
Speaker 4: to happen. So then when when it started to happen,
Speaker 4: it was like girls like, do not see how beautiful
Speaker 4: this is? Like, look at how much more powerful we are?
Speaker 5: Sweet?
Speaker 4: Oh, don't worry. By the end, I was like, fuck everyone,
Speaker 4: this is full. Show went back to form.
Speaker 5: All right, we have to take a quick break. We'll
Speaker 5: be right back after this.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get back to the show.
Speaker 1: You definitely it seemed like such a thoughtful and introspective
Speaker 1: person and also very much an analyzer. I want to
Speaker 1: know because usually on the first days in the Challenge House,
Speaker 1: especially there are parties, there's letting loose.
Speaker 5: What did a viv do? Especially since you yoursel much
Speaker 5: that you felt.
Speaker 1: Like you may have been deemed boring the first time
Speaker 1: you were on What did you do? What are what
Speaker 1: can we expect to see of like a viv letting
Speaker 1: loose or what's like a fun memory.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for going back into the house.
Speaker 4: I so the when I say it was like a vacation,
Speaker 4: it really was, like so I had been going on
Speaker 4: with like a lot of stuff in the house. It
Speaker 4: was very stressful the last year, if only some stuff
Speaker 4: happened with our house and I was working and whatever.
Speaker 4: So just surprise, like I had had a lot of
Speaker 4: real life kind of home trauma stuff going on. And
Speaker 4: I just remember they took my phone in my computer
Speaker 4: and I was like I'm free, Like I'm free.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: And I got there, And of course I didn't really
Speaker 4: know anyone, but I'm a social butterfly and I love
Speaker 4: to have a good time and so and because i'd
Speaker 4: seen people I hadn't seen it in a while, and
Speaker 4: a lot of us in Era one, mostly Era one,
Speaker 4: which I can relate to a little bit better than
Speaker 4: Era two, have like kids and a family and whatever.
Speaker 4: So I had a great time. I let lose how
Speaker 4: you ended.
Speaker 1: A because all I'm hearing is I bonded and smiled.
Speaker 1: We talked about our kids. Eve in a hot tub
Speaker 1: was a vive on top of a table. Did a
Speaker 1: viv give a to I'm sure.
Speaker 4: I didn't give a tough. I did a lot of dancing.
Speaker 4: I did a lot of you know, drinking, hanging out.
Speaker 4: I didn't do I didn't do the table. I don't think,
Speaker 4: but it might be. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I gotta like, might be.
Speaker 4: I've told you I was having a good life. Christis.
Speaker 4: No one wanted to listen, so you know that I
Speaker 4: just decided to do it on national televion. But I
Speaker 4: had a great time. I mean, I think that I
Speaker 4: talked a lot more this time. I mean, I'm forty.
Speaker 4: I kind of feel like I know who I am.
Speaker 4: I have an opinion. I especially things that I'm passionate about,
Speaker 4: Like in my normal regular life. I'm very vocal, which
Speaker 4: is why I don't belong in corporate and I think
Speaker 4: some of that will come out this season. You know,
Speaker 4: we'll see. But I partied hard until it started to
Speaker 4: get like, oh shit, I need to like And I'll
Speaker 4: give you one story. I was playing. You know, we
Speaker 4: were drinking, and I love to do I'm a person
Speaker 4: who likes activities when I drink, like, I'm not a
Speaker 4: sit down and just sip on a bourbon kind of girl.
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, what game are we playing? So we
Speaker 4: were playing football and it was just a bunch of
Speaker 4: the guys and myself and the area that we were
Speaker 4: at had it was like the pool area, and there
Speaker 4: are a bunch of trees in like random places because
Speaker 4: you know how these houses are. And someone had thrown
Speaker 4: me in the football. I like ran backwards and jumped to
Speaker 4: get it because I'm not one to just like give
Speaker 4: up and let it drop. And I ran face first
Speaker 4: into a tree. Oh and and I think I was
Speaker 4: like Jordan, Johnny and Corey and I or something, and
Speaker 4: I just got like I didn't know what happened. I mean,
Speaker 4: I knew what happened. Knew I ran into a tree,
Speaker 4: but it was like, oh shit. And I just remember
Speaker 4: the guys running over and they're like okay. I was like,
Speaker 4: I think, so, like, am I bleeding? I wasn't bleeding,
Speaker 4: but I had a black eye. Oh my god, My god?
Speaker 5: But drinking a beve?
Speaker 6: Were you drinking?
Speaker 4: Was drinking and playing football? So this finger, which is
Speaker 4: my ring finger. Ironically, I've broken twice playing football drunk
Speaker 4: going in for interceptions. And I think I learned my lesson. Yes,
Speaker 4: So yeah, I don't like I like to have fun.
Speaker 4: So that's the aviva. No one got to see. It
Speaker 4: probably would have been worse twenty years ago, but I
Speaker 4: think I was so worried back then about the impression. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and I thought at the time I was going to
Speaker 4: go to med school, and I was very careful not
Speaker 4: to say like to a fault, right, Yeah, And this time,
Speaker 4: I mean, I think I feel better about it because
Speaker 4: there's a couple of things that I'm like, shit, I
Speaker 4: kind of feel bad that I said now, So I
Speaker 4: think that that's a good sign that, yeah, I talked
Speaker 4: a little bit more.
Speaker 5: That you're on.
Speaker 1: I had the same feelings about my Real World season.
Speaker 1: I've said, of all those shows I've done, that's still
Speaker 1: the only show. While I love that I did it,
Speaker 1: it's the one I can't watch because I was so
Speaker 1: worried about what the impression would be and meetings.
Speaker 5: I didn't want to offend people. I didn't so I just
Speaker 5: didn't speak my mind.
Speaker 1: I didn't say how it was feeling, and people still judged.
Speaker 1: So then after that I was like, screw it, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna just do me And it was so much better.
Speaker 5: So so much better.
Speaker 1: I can only imagine after eighteen years getting to come
Speaker 1: back and sort of reclaim that. By the way, you know,
Speaker 1: even Bananas, who doesn't often acknowledge things outside of himself,
Speaker 1: acknowledge that your era was stacked when it came.
Speaker 4: To the women.
Speaker 1: Do you think the men in your era are going
Speaker 1: to have a hard time keeping up?
Speaker 4: Well, such a loaded question. You said, it's the new
Speaker 4: of even you talk about shit. So okay, so so
Speaker 4: yes and no in certain areas, because what you have
Speaker 4: to remember about this game, and clearly, I mean, I
Speaker 4: don't think anyone is going to look at this and
Speaker 4: be like, the women are clearly in much better shape
Speaker 4: than the men on our team as a whole, you know,
Speaker 4: I mean, you just look at them and they are stacked.
Speaker 4: But that is not what makes this game. That's a
Speaker 4: piece of this game. And again, this is all kind
Speaker 4: of developing as I'm learning about these people. I did
Speaker 4: a lot of observing the first you know week there
Speaker 4: Derek very underestimated across the board, great puzzle guy, great physically,
Speaker 4: he's very smart to very smart, very good physically, and
Speaker 4: he's such like a fun character, you know, great socially.
Speaker 4: Me and mile also underrated I think performance wise, Uh, Johnny,
Speaker 4: you know as much as people maybe you know that
Speaker 4: people love him or they hate him, he's also really
Speaker 4: good and he also has a lot of relationship. I mean,
Speaker 4: he has a lot of people that hate him, but
Speaker 4: for every person that hates him, he's got half a
Speaker 4: person that.
Speaker 5: Likes him, right, you know, half a person.
Speaker 1: I like that math.
Speaker 4: So I felt physically like there were going to be
Speaker 4: things that were tough, and we just didn't know going
Speaker 4: into it how physical it would be. But you know,
Speaker 4: when you get into things like jumping off the building, well,
Speaker 4: strength doesn't necessarily matt right, right, and things.
Speaker 5: Like that that mindset and strategy.
Speaker 4: Correct correct so or just fucking do it, man, because
Speaker 4: this is what you sign up for. So, but I
Speaker 4: think just looking at it, yeah, clearly the women were
Speaker 4: you know, could have like if it was the women
Speaker 4: versus the men on our team, we probably so yes.
Speaker 1: Around that's saying that.
Speaker 3: To do it, I mean, I.
Speaker 4: Have an idea.
Speaker 1: You're not wrong, but I do think it's actually a
Speaker 1: good balance looking at Air two because you're right and
Speaker 1: not saying that you guys, the women on Air two aren't,
Speaker 1: you know, social powerhouses. But you guys have some men
Speaker 1: who literally their gameplay is known for their political prowess.
Speaker 1: So I think you guys have a pretty good balance
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 5: If you had to.
Speaker 1: Give each era a high school superlative, what would it be?
Speaker 1: Starting with Era four, let's go backwards, so Air four,
Speaker 1: what would their team superlative be?
Speaker 4: Give you an example, because I don't remember that, which
Speaker 4: is so horrible.
Speaker 6: Most likely exams or we got to feel exams Den
Speaker 6: now your eras, yes, you are.
Speaker 4: Well, she's not wrong. Now, actually you had to start.
Speaker 5: Not trying to welcome back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know a lot of people that just wanted attention.
Speaker 3: Well, now like like who have you like?
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, that's what I would say, both likely to
Speaker 4: have attention to behavior era.
Speaker 1: Who do you think had the most attention behavior in
Speaker 1: Davon's era?
Speaker 4: And I like these girls, but I think there were
Speaker 4: this heart See now I feel.
Speaker 5: It's just us.
Speaker 4: I think I know, Oh that's right, it's not we have.
Speaker 3: Cousins on the couch, that's it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know it seemed to me like the com
Speaker 4: in general with Era three and four, I should say
Speaker 4: because of like social media, and that didn't exist for
Speaker 4: Era one, and I think it probably started at some
Speaker 4: point late Era two would be my guest, but I
Speaker 4: felt like a lot of the girls, like you know,
Speaker 4: Olivia Michelle, I didn't get the same sentence from Durie,
Speaker 4: but Nurise does a lot of stuff too, and I
Speaker 4: don't think it even like Bory would talk about Instagram
Speaker 4: and things like that, and I really like, I have
Speaker 4: nothing but respect for Tory as well, but I think
Speaker 4: they just come from a different era really, where that
Speaker 4: is the show isn't just the show and and the
Speaker 4: guys too, right, I mean you had and again I
Speaker 4: would say three and four because there was overlap. You
Speaker 4: could tell there was the crossover there, but where they're
Speaker 4: doing things like even like Tony right where they're doing
Speaker 4: these things and they have this character in this brand
Speaker 4: and they're looking for sort of more like the camera
Speaker 4: in the conversations and that is great. Like I probably
Speaker 4: could learn something from them from from a you know,
Speaker 4: getting your air coming, getting yourself out there kind of thing,
Speaker 4: but that's just not who Like when you look at
Speaker 4: Era one, in the majority of era too, that was
Speaker 4: never us, And so I think that was a divide
Speaker 4: that you saw that was recognized and been just a
Speaker 4: division between the eras that like interesting, right, we weren't
Speaker 4: like doing things for social media and we weren't doing things.
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I'm like trying to post and I'm
Speaker 4: like throwing up every time I put a picture of
Speaker 4: myself off. This is does not feel natural at all.
Speaker 4: So and again I think it's generational, like there's they
Speaker 4: they're doing great and they're making a life for themselves
Speaker 4: and I have nothing.
Speaker 5: They're going to rationalize.
Speaker 4: I know, I feel bad, but.
Speaker 1: You give those the purlatives of viv they in on
Speaker 1: the line and then they give Yeah, you don't have
Speaker 1: to qualify when.
Speaker 5: We ask them.
Speaker 3: They're not gonna stutter.
Speaker 4: We're not stutter. And you're so right. And I kept
Speaker 4: telling myself that, I'm like, God, doesn't this bitch and say,
Speaker 4: there's gonna be so many things like I like, I
Speaker 4: already come home and talk to my husband about like
Speaker 4: three things. I was like, Babe, I love, but let
Speaker 4: me tell you about this ship.
Speaker 5: You got into some stuff of e.
Speaker 4: Listen, you never know though what's gonna show what's not,
Speaker 4: so we'll see. I mean, that's it's exciting and nerve
Speaker 4: waking all the same time. But so Ara three was
Speaker 4: kind of there. But Air three, let me think about
Speaker 4: what I would give. I feel like they had a
Speaker 4: lot of drama, I think, and they had a lot
Speaker 4: of I think they all like fucked each other too
Speaker 4: pretty much. Definitely a lot of them have had relationships.
Speaker 4: Just Jordan and everyone shake and then there was to
Speaker 4: and a man hated each other. It was like they
Speaker 4: were like I felt like that team was either sleeping
Speaker 4: with each other or fighting with each other, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so there was just a ton of tea. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I could see that. I could see that.
Speaker 1: It is a weird thread of when you look at
Speaker 1: the names of all the groups. I actually do feel
Speaker 1: like from Era one, Era two, and Era four you
Speaker 1: can see at least a through line.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of like support there.
Speaker 1: And Era three, I actually don't see the through line,
Speaker 1: like you said, of the they either hooked up or fall,
Speaker 1: But I don't really see a strong through line of
Speaker 1: like we ride together.
Speaker 4: Nor it was like except for like Corey was set
Speaker 4: up the best there because she's got David, she's got Jordan,
Speaker 4: you know. But then like Corey was there and I
Speaker 4: couldn't quite figure out like Cory was you know, so
Speaker 4: it felt like a kind.
Speaker 5: Of there's a weird mixing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was a weird mix. Yeah, that's true. Okay,
Speaker 1: So there so so far we've got most likely to
Speaker 1: uh be egotistical? Was Era four, we got most likely
Speaker 1: to fall apart because they're toxic with A three?
Speaker 5: What is Era two?
Speaker 4: Era two? Oh? My era? You know, I felt like
Speaker 4: Air two was either going to self destruct or win
Speaker 4: it all. Like it was like, we're either going to
Speaker 4: self implode because we can't get over And this was
Speaker 4: my initial thing, like we're either going to self implode
Speaker 4: because we've got Johnny, Laurel, Emily Karr. Like not only
Speaker 4: did Lara and Laurel have stuff, there'd been like some
Speaker 4: stuff with Emily and Laurel, and then Johnny kind of
Speaker 4: had relationships with people, but also didn't you know, like
Speaker 4: they were competing. I felt like for for potentially like
Speaker 4: Johnny's relationship, Like it was really weird because I was
Speaker 4: kind of the outcast there for in the beginning, and
Speaker 4: so I was just kind of and Kelly and she
Speaker 4: just like fucking Kelly Anne, you know, and Kelly Ann
Speaker 4: and I was like, oh my god, I love it.
Speaker 4: But she's like just Kelly Anne. Like it was like
Speaker 4: I don't know where she goes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, essentially way to describe it, like.
Speaker 4: She's so she's she's very sweet, but she's just her
Speaker 4: own special. Yeah, she said, there is no other way.
Speaker 4: But I'm just like, Okay, I could see you and
Speaker 4: you and you and new fighting and you do having
Speaker 4: this relationship. But yeah, I felt like it was I
Speaker 4: don't know what the terminology I want to use is,
Speaker 4: but I was like, we're either, you know, we're either
Speaker 4: going to like win it all or news it all.
Speaker 4: Like we're either going to implode and be the first
Speaker 4: team out because we can't get past our pride and
Speaker 4: whatever it is, you know, or we're going to actually
Speaker 4: put all our ship aside and work as a team,
Speaker 4: in which case we are really strong and we could
Speaker 4: win this. And that was sort of again I don't
Speaker 4: know what the best like one.
Speaker 3: We're potential to self disrupt.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, like that that's more fun than.
Speaker 3: Anyway potentially self destruct And then what's.
Speaker 4: Herolon? Oh oh aral one. So we had this term
Speaker 4: that we started to use for Era one called the collectibles.
Speaker 4: Yes we did, and we said and actually we were
Speaker 4: all sitting together with ARA One, not all of us,
Speaker 4: but I think maybe like Johnny and I guess we
Speaker 4: were the closest to them, and maybe Ryan and we
Speaker 4: had decided that ARA one is the collectibles because they're
Speaker 4: like in their boxes. You know, they were the first
Speaker 4: of their kind, and they're sort of coming out of
Speaker 4: their boxes. They've been on the shelf. It might be
Speaker 4: a little dusty, right, not telling.
Speaker 5: Them dusty Now I'm the same.
Speaker 1: I just have to point I just I was about
Speaker 1: to say no, but you coming out the box and
Speaker 1: you've been gone eighteen years and has calling them dusty
Speaker 1: and bananas?
Speaker 4: Is you know?
Speaker 3: That's so we were all with them.
Speaker 4: We were like literally belong in your era, so we
Speaker 4: are collectibles with you. But that was sort of you know,
Speaker 4: and I but I will say the thing that I
Speaker 4: love the most about Era one and the reason that,
Speaker 4: you know, I hate to say that they're my favorite era,
Speaker 4: but they're my favorite era, and I feel like I'm
Speaker 4: from their era more so than my era. Sentiently did
Speaker 4: one show and it was right after season twelve, but
Speaker 4: they worked so well together and even when they didn't,
Speaker 4: which there are moments because you know, these personalities and
Speaker 4: they will be yelling each other and they will be
Speaker 4: having some horrible communication, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: they put everything aside, you know, like the bullshit that's
Speaker 4: on the field is on the field. But as a
Speaker 4: team and they we're just unified. And I don't know
Speaker 4: what the show will look like and exposed, but you
Speaker 4: could tell the difference between their era, and if you
Speaker 4: took their era and Era four, you're just like, they
Speaker 4: don't backstab each other. They don't, you know, like there
Speaker 4: is their word is their word. And I'm not saying
Speaker 4: people don't.
Speaker 5: I mean this is a generalization, and she's talking to
Speaker 5: you about.
Speaker 4: Feel the difference where it was like there is a
Speaker 4: way to play this game. And I think what you'll
Speaker 4: see in the different eras is each era plays their
Speaker 4: game a little bit differently and that's going to be interesting.
Speaker 4: I think to see it.
Speaker 5: Will be interesting.
Speaker 2: And that's the cool thing, right because everybody played at
Speaker 2: different times. That's why we have the right you played
Speaker 2: during their time, so on and so forth, and then
Speaker 2: we have the crossovers. And I think those people do
Speaker 2: really well because they have an opportunity to play across
Speaker 2: the board.
Speaker 5: If that makes sense.
Speaker 3: It's always like I know what you do, want to
Speaker 3: know what you do. I know what you're doing, I
Speaker 3: know what we do, so we can make this work.
Speaker 2: So I think that's really really exciting to watch.
Speaker 5: I'm excited.
Speaker 2: I am so excited for this and I think it's
Speaker 2: going to be a powerhouse. The trailer phenomenal, phenomenal.
Speaker 4: I like so excited. Rachel's thaying made it, by the way,
Speaker 4: because one thing.
Speaker 7: I do want to say is that we talked so
Speaker 7: much about female empowerment all this season. And I know
Speaker 7: because we had a lot of powerful, sort of strong
Speaker 7: women I should say, for sure, a lot of alpha
Speaker 7: personalities and not just physically but smart. And I would
Speaker 7: say across the eras there were very strong females agreed
Speaker 7: and when we would talk about sort of our interview,
Speaker 7: you know, things together, I think we all backed that up.
Speaker 4: So to see that in this first episode, I hope
Speaker 4: it's that that's the standard for the rest to the
Speaker 4: season because I think it's an important message to sn
Speaker 4: So yeah, and I think throughout you see and there
Speaker 4: are times where women are not supporting women and it happens.
Speaker 4: It happens in real life too, But I think we
Speaker 4: will see a lot of very powerful moments from women,
Speaker 4: and you know, I think people will like it and
Speaker 4: appreciate it.
Speaker 2: This makes me so happy even I'm so glad that
Speaker 2: they pulled you out of retirement.
Speaker 4: TV. I know, so crazy, what's happening.
Speaker 2: I know, I'm so thankful for you coming and hanging
Speaker 2: out with Devin and I giving us a little dive
Speaker 2: into this iconic to watch. But you know, we gotta
Speaker 2: ask before we get up out of here, is there
Speaker 2: anything I mean, anything, anything, anything that you can tease
Speaker 2: to us about this season before we get about of here.
Speaker 4: What should we look out for? We won't tell what
Speaker 4: can I tease? That's good? Okay, I have kind of
Speaker 4: a couple of good things. So there are going to
Speaker 4: be some amazing moments that are going to be you know,
Speaker 4: forget all the sex, forget the that shit, but real
Speaker 4: moments where you see people that you think have lost
Speaker 4: it all and do not have a chance to win.
Speaker 4: And this is multiple moments and they come through with
Speaker 4: the end and they win and it changes the entire game.
Speaker 4: And I think that without really going into too much
Speaker 4: detail and spoiling it, you're going to see it a
Speaker 4: few times in the game, and as it was happening,
Speaker 4: we all were like, holy shit, this is going to
Speaker 4: be a great, great show, and I think it will
Speaker 4: keep people on the edge of their seat and just
Speaker 4: you know, never underestimate people, because usually when you do right,
Speaker 4: that's the end. So I think I'm excited to watch it.
Speaker 4: They were very powerful moments for us. You know, there
Speaker 4: were some eliminations and some challenges that really were monumental
Speaker 4: in shifting the game in a different direction. So I
Speaker 4: don't know if that's enough of a spoiler for you.
Speaker 5: It's a good it's a good Caesar and a good start.
Speaker 1: And if anyone wants to watch along with you throughout
Speaker 1: this season or see what you're up to, where should
Speaker 1: they follow you?
Speaker 4: On social Instagram. I haven't gotten to TikTok and and
Speaker 4: I know it's a little I know I have to,
Speaker 4: but you can follow me at a deep underscore moment
Speaker 4: Bruno and both my last names there are just in case,
Speaker 4: you know, but follow me there and that's all I
Speaker 4: have for now, but eventually maybe more.
Speaker 5: Well, see, it was so good yes to have you here.
Speaker 1: Thank you for stopping by and sharing, and you know,
Speaker 1: day and I've been a part of this franchise for
Speaker 1: a long time too, and it's always great to get
Speaker 1: to connect to you. But you can help pave the
Speaker 1: way in some way. And you are a challenge camp.
Speaker 1: Maybe a two time champ, we don't know, because we
Speaker 1: don't know, but we know your least a one time
Speaker 1: champ to start, which is amazing.
Speaker 5: So thank you. We're so glad that you're back.
Speaker 1: And as more things happen, we may be messaging you
Speaker 1: or having you come back so we can get more
Speaker 1: insight into what Thank you.
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me so fun. This didn't exist
Speaker 4: my first season, so look at that.
Speaker 5: They were using smoke signals back.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 4: You have it.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 3: I'm excited it's coming.
Speaker 4: Y'all out down. I'm excited to thank you so much, ladies.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 4: You's been a pleasure.
Speaker 3: What an interview.
Speaker 2: I am so glad that have you decided to come
Speaker 2: by and hang out with us and give us a
Speaker 2: little inside scoop ala inside tea on the season. But
Speaker 2: most importantly, I'm so glad that she finally freed herself
Speaker 2: from the thoughts of what other people are.
Speaker 3: Gonna think about her.
Speaker 4: Right follow she.
Speaker 2: Said I am Aviv and I am here take it
Speaker 2: a lead, and I am so proud of her and
Speaker 2: I'm excited to follow her journey as we're following her
Speaker 2: and the rest of this amazing cast.
Speaker 3: Where can the people follow you, miss devn.
Speaker 5: Ooh, I have some updates for you. Yeah me, not
Speaker 5: about Davon's YouTube, but.
Speaker 1: Uh, you can always go to my website Devinsmone dot com,
Speaker 1: Den with the Wissman with an I. You can follow
Speaker 1: me on Instagram, Devin Smone on TikTok. I'm actually active
Speaker 1: now on TikTok Devin Simone and the Blue Check. I
Speaker 1: do live sometimes from there, so check that out as well.
Speaker 1: I'm on Snapchat now just look for the verified badge there.
Speaker 1: Devin Simone probably most active on ticking, Instagram, TikTok and Instagram.
Speaker 1: And then also while we were gone, created a talk
Speaker 1: show and we are coming back for our new season
Speaker 1: this Friday at twelve pm Eastern live on Amazon. It's
Speaker 1: called Just Between Us. I'm executive producing it and co
Speaker 1: hosting it with some girlfriends, and it's live, so you
Speaker 1: can come by in the chat and say hi and
Speaker 1: we will say hi back. Let me know that you're
Speaker 1: a Challenger and I'll talk to you live. You can
Speaker 1: watch it on TV, watch it online for free. You
Speaker 1: can actually just go to just between us live dot
Speaker 1: com and that'll redirect you right to the episode page.
Speaker 1: But I would love to see my challengers there. It's
Speaker 1: a whole lot of fun, so definitely come.
Speaker 5: And check it out day. Where can the people find.
Speaker 3: You watching your Amazon show?
Speaker 2: Because that's where'mis ago and we don't support our sister
Speaker 2: because that's what we do over here, but it means
Speaker 2: time in between time. You can find me on all
Speaker 2: social media platforms at davon Diane.
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