1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Bombshell. In the Alex Murdog 2 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: investigation in South Carolina, everything went quiet for a moment, 3 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: even after his wife, Maggie, and his son end up 4 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: dead on his estate, his hunting mansion after he ends 5 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: up with a bullet wound to the head miraculously survives. 6 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: Right now, new evidence blood spatter evidence, does it directly 7 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: link the drugged up lawyer Alex Murdog to the double 8 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: murders of his wife and his own son. I Nancy Grace, 9 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: this it's Crime Stories, Thank you for being with us 10 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:06,559 Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation and Series XM one eleven. We're 11 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: learning all this from a source FIT News, and I 12 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: want to go straight out to Matt Harris, Matt the 13 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: morning show host of The Matt and Ramona Show one 14 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: O seven point nine wl n K podcast The Murdoch 15 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: Family Murders. Matt, what is happening? Well, according to Fitz News, 16 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: they're the ones who reported this that there's forensic evidence 17 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: on his clothing and it could only have come from 18 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: blood spatter. They are reporting that there's been multiple tests 19 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: done and proves that Alec was at least near the bodies. 20 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: When are one of the bodies when they were shot 21 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: and killed in June. Let's hand, as Matt Harris, joining 22 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: us from w L and K just said, blood spatter. 23 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: There's a lot of different kind of blood spatter. There 24 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: is I drop, I drop a jar of ketchup in 25 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: the glass and it's spatters. Then there's what we call 26 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: high velocity blood spatter. Completely different thing, because high velocity's better. 27 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: You probably can't even see it with a naked eye. 28 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: It's like a mist, but it hits, for instance, in 29 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: this case, his shirt in a different way than other 30 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: spatter would hit. So let me understand, Matt Harris, a 31 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: morning show host, Matt Romono w L and K. You're 32 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: attributing to fit and to use the report that a 33 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: shirt worn by Alex Murdock, the drugged up lawyer who 34 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: we now think embezzled literally millions of dollars from his clients, 35 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: the shirt worn on the night his wife and son 36 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: were murdered, not only has high velocity blood spatter, A 37 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: significant amount of high velocity blood spatter. Is that what 38 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: you're telling me. That's what Fitznews is saying. The high 39 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: velocity impact spatter was specifically high velocity. Now we know 40 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: that Alec touched the bodies at least according to him 41 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: in the nine one one call that night, So that 42 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: would be on his shirt and pants maybe as well. 43 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: But they're saying there is the high velocity impact spatter 44 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: on that shirt would puts them right in the proximity 45 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: of either one or both victims when they were shot. Yes, 46 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: straight up to Jesscot, I'm Morgan, Professor forensics, Jacksonville State University, 47 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: author Blood Beneath My Feet, host of a hit series 48 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: Body Backs. To Joscot, I'm Morgan on iHeart Jes Scott 49 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: tell me a lot. It's telling me not only was 50 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: he about within thirty six inches of the bodies of 51 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: the dead people, his wife and his son, but he 52 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: was there when they got shot. Yeah, he was. And 53 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: that's that's what's being at least implicated here are implied 54 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: relative to this finding when you start to talk about 55 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: high velocity blood spattered Nancy, for our listeners at home, 56 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: just think about this, right you were when you mentioned 57 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: that it's very fine, very difficult to see. If anybody 58 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: has an aerosol hairspray container at home, go to your 59 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: mirror and sep it's at one time very lightly and 60 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: it particulates, and that's generated from a high end energy impact, 61 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 1: and it's generally associated in most every single time I've 62 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: seen it is always associated with gunfire. That means that 63 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: it has to reach a certain level of velocity to 64 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: impact that body to spray that blood out. If you're 65 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: anywhere in proximity to that, And you mentioned about thirty 66 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: six inches, that's kind of the standard, it's going to 67 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: literally blow out and miss to file all. Wait a minute, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 68 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,799 Speaker 1: Not everybody in this studio. Let's just talk about Jackie 69 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: sitting right there going what what you just ran over? 70 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: Thirty six inches? We standardize thirty six inches? What do 71 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: we mean by that? When you shoot the spatter will 72 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: travel about thirty six inches past that it starts to 73 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: dissolve in the air or drop to the ground, which 74 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: tells us. And this is after years and years and 75 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: years of exhaustive experimenting, we know that if you've got 76 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: blood spatter, you are three feet or less to the 77 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,239 Speaker 1: point of impact bullet to body. Yeah, you're absolutely right. Blood, 78 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: unlike a boy, unlike a bullet, has horrible, horrible aerodynamic qualities. 79 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: So a bullet can spin through the air and go 80 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: for a long long ways. But the way this this 81 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: liquid very viscous, thick liquid substance. Even when it's it's 82 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: mystified like this, it doesn't hold together very well. And 83 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: so after about thirty six inches it's lost its velocity, 84 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: but it's still particulate like this. Yep, yep, you're absolutely right, 85 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: just like the hair spray I was referring to. So 86 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: that gives you an indication, Nancy, that if this is true, 87 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: if what they're saying is true, they would have had 88 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: to have tested the shirt, looked at it very carefully 89 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,559 Speaker 1: under you know, like probably alternative lighting sources like ultra 90 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: violet and that sort of thing, to be able to 91 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: pick this up. It'll kind of loominate and they'll get 92 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: they'll get an idea of the distribution of this pattern 93 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: as well. And maybe what are you saying the distribution 94 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: of the pattern, Well, it'll give you an idea of 95 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: instances regular people talk. It will give you an idea 96 00:06:55,720 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: perhaps relative to his position to the bodies when this 97 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: weapon was fired, or whoever was wearing the shirt. They 98 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: have a shirt, pants, whatever the clothing is. When they 99 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: begin to examine it, and they'll also look at the concentration. Nancy, 100 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: keep in mind, as you've said many many times before, 101 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: you always use the analogy and I love this of 102 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: the water hose where you spray it, the tighter that grouping, 103 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: the closer the individual is. So if it's tightly concentrated, 104 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: that means that the proximity of the individual that it's 105 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: on the receiving end of this spatter. Okay, And they're 106 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: saying this Alec that it's going to be very tightly concentrated. 107 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: The closer he is to the body, further way it 108 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: will be spread out thirty six inches. It's about an 109 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: arm's length, that's what we're talking about, which makes perfect sense. 110 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:48,239 Speaker 1: You're holding the gun, you shoot, and they're not saying 111 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: is it on the chest? Isn't on the sleeve of 112 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: the shirt they we're talking about Timy. When was he 113 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: caught he who says he was at his dad's bedside 114 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: in the hospital. Is he caught on video wearing the 115 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: same shirt or a different shirt? And when can we 116 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: identify he was wearing so the purported bloody shirt the 117 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: night his wife and son were killed. You know what, 118 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: before we go too deep, into blood spatter. We're gonna 119 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: reath visit. I want you to hear that very night now. 120 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: If this is true what Phitney's is reporting. But we're 121 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: hearing from our friend Matt Harris, wl NK. If it's true, 122 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: that means he was at the body at the time 123 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: of the shooting. That particular blood spatter marking cannot be 124 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 1: created in any other way. It's not a transfer where 125 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: he reached out and hugged the bodies or touched the bodies. 126 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: It's not a drop. For instance, in Travis Alexander, when 127 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: blood he was aspirating blood up from all the stabs 128 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: in his chest, his lungs were filling up with blood. 129 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: Travis Alexander goes to his bathroom mirror and looks at 130 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: himself as he is dying, and drips down from the 131 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: mouth or the nose, and we see drop marks. It's 132 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: not an orb it's a spatter. Big difference under a microscope. 133 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: But wait a minute. If what Fitt and Us is saying, 134 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: if what Matt Harris is reporting it's all correct, then 135 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: Alex Murdock managed to call nine one one and say this, 136 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: take a listen forty one forty sl mozel road. I 137 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: need to belie my wife and jo stop bad. Okay, 138 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: you said, forty one seven Mobile Rod in Olin. Sir. 139 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: You said forty one forty seven Mozel Rod in Olpin. Yeah, sir, 140 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: forty one Mozel Road, Yeah, Thursday. On the line with me, okay, communication, 141 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: and I have an Alex Murdock on a lie callers 142 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: from forty one forty seven Moze Road. He's advising that 143 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: his wife and child was shot. Okay again, forty one 144 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: forty seven Mozelle Road. I've been up to it now, 145 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: is bad okay? Okay? And are they breathing? No, ma'am okay. 146 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: And he said it's your wife and your son, My 147 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: wife and my storn. Are they in a vehicle? No, ma'am, 148 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: their own ground, out of my kennel clime stories with 149 00:10:53,480 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Mother. Forty one forty seven Mozelle Road. I 150 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 1: think the belief my wife and to stop that, okay, 151 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: you said, forty one forty seven Mortile Road in Alton. Sir. 152 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: You said forty one forty seven Mozelle Road in Alton. Yeah, 153 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: forty one Mozelle Road, Yeah, Thirsty on the line with me, okay, Collinson, 154 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 1: I have an Alex Murdoch on the line, caller from 155 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: forty one forty seven Mozall Road. He's advising that his 156 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: wife and child was shot. Okay, forty one forty seven 157 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: Mozelle Road. I've been up to it now, it's bad. Okay, okay. 158 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: And are they breathing? No, ma'am, okay, he said, it's 159 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: your wife and your son. My wife and my son. 160 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: Are they in a vehicle? No, man, their own ground, 161 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: out of my kennel. You know what, There's just some 162 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: things in life you just can't get enough off and 163 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: hearing Alex and murdog. If fit News is right, and 164 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: I have no reason to believe they're not right, think 165 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: about this guy making this nine on one call when 166 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: according to the blood and the blood doesn't lie, his 167 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: shirt is covered and high velocity blood spatter. Take a listen. 168 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 1: Here he is again. He just can't talk enough. Canny Okay? 169 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: Is he bringing that all? No? No one? Okay, no, ma'am, no, ma'am. 170 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: No color is your house on the outside? What color 171 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: is your house on the outside? What you can't see 172 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: it from the road? Okay? Is it a house or 173 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: boble home? The house? Okay? And what is your name? 174 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: My name is Alex Murdoch. Okay, did you hear anything finger? 175 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: Did you come home and find them? I've been gone, 176 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: I just came back. Else, No, ma'am, We hurry, We're 177 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: getting somebody out there to you. Oh. Bobby Chicome Bobby 178 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: chi Coom, Bobby Chicomb nearly thirty years former FBI asian 179 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: at Bobby chicoone dot com, Bobby Bobby, Bobby. Oh, how 180 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: I would love to be a fly on the wall 181 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: and watch him make that nine one one called it. 182 00:13:55,640 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: You hear all that blubbering and snodding and the tremulous wells. Yeah, 183 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: but he became suddenly very literate when you have to 184 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: say that I just got back. I heard that. I 185 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: even read that home I've been gone. Yeah. He got 186 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: the things that he needed to get out very clearly 187 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: and very articularly, and so he knew it was almost 188 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: like a script. He knew what he had to say. 189 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: He obviously knows those calls are recorded, we all do, 190 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: and so he knew what he had to say and 191 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: he walked. You listen to that call, it's almost like 192 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: a walkthrough of Hey, I didn't do this, and so 193 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: it's really interesting to hear that and to hear how 194 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: he goes from this blubbering guy who's who you can 195 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: hear the snock coming out, and he can't even comport himself, 196 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, he's very clear when 197 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: he has to make the points that he wants to make. 198 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: Susany Williams joining me high profile South Carolina criminal defense 199 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: as or any former prosecutor in Somerville. She is at 200 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: s Williams dashlot dot net Susan Williams. I'm sure you've 201 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: had a lot of clients, so I want to get 202 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: up and start crying and blubbering and snotting. Please tell 203 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: them don't do it, because it just makes it worse. Well, 204 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: we're talking about someone who has just found his wife 205 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: and son did with blood spatter on his shirt. Well, 206 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: do we know for sure if it is blood this 207 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: news is reporting. I have no first hand knowledge and 208 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: it has not been confirmed by any independent sources. But 209 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: that we don't I don't know that we know for 210 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: sure that it was blood. It was some bodily fluid 211 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: perhaps on his shirt. What body fluid would that be? 212 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: Whatever type could be snot it could be saliva it 213 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: could be who knows, But we don't have any statements 214 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: from the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division. We don't have 215 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: any statements from Alex murdoph lawyers. Alex Murdop has not, been, 216 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: of course, charged with anything, so I just don't know 217 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: for sure exactly what has been found. I like the 218 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: way you did that. By the way, Susan E. Williams. 219 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: Note to Jackie, whenever I'm charged with double murder, hire 220 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: Susan Williams, because see I asked her when your clients busted, 221 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: stop the snodding and the crying, and she immediately turned 222 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: around to tell me that it is probably FIT News. 223 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: They're the ones. They must be wrong. Okay, I like 224 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: the way you did that. I give you all the credit, 225 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: Susan Williams. But let's just get back to reality of 226 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: what they're reporting. I'm going to read something. Listen to this. 227 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: Matt Harris joining me morning show host w L and K. Quote. 228 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: Multiple sources have told FIT that they and they keep 229 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: saying this over and over. High velocity impacts spatter and 230 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: Joe Scott put that in your head because I need 231 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: for you to go over that for me. Multiple sources, 232 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: multiple sources, have told this news outlet that the high 233 00:16:54,000 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: velocity impact spatter has been independently analyzed and confirmed by 234 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: multiple forensic experts, including by at least one out of 235 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: state laboratory. Put that in your head to Joe Scott, 236 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: because I'm just wondering, did they send it to Quantico? 237 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: Because if you're going to send it out of state, 238 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: why go from South Carolina to Alabama or Georgia or 239 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: North Carolina. If you're gonna send us somewhere, make account 240 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: man send it to the FEDS. I mean, that's what 241 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: I'm just surmising. Because South Carolina, I mean, South Carolina 242 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: has their own crime lab, don't they. Matt Harris, Yes, 243 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: yes they do, probably more than one. I mean Georgia, 244 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: we need we have a major crime lab in Atlanta. 245 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: But I mean, I know South Carolina has got to 246 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: have their own crime lab. Oh, they sure do. I 247 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 1: mean they've they're backed up a lot because of COVID 248 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: and what other things are going on, but they have 249 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: one for sure, if not multiple. So why would they 250 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: send it next door to North Carolina or to Tennessee 251 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: or to Georgia. They wouldn't, right, right, I mean, I 252 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: think the FEDS have been roaming around down on that 253 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: area for a while. Now we know that, and I 254 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: think that also to avoid any influenced by the Murdochs. 255 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: Thus my podcast Impact of Influence. I love your podcast. 256 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: Thank you. SLED wants to make sure, which is South 257 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: Carolina Law Enforcement Division, to make sure there's no issues 258 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: of influenced by the murdoch So they are going to 259 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: make sure or ask for the FEDS help, I would assume, 260 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: and not just have one of the counties or state 261 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: work down there, because they don't want any impropriety acknowledge 262 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: or thought about or rumored, So getting the FEDS involved 263 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah. And as a matter of fact, that's 264 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: what you name your podcast, And at first I didn't 265 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: quite get why you had such a long name for 266 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: your podcast, but now I do. The Murdoch family murders 267 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: Impact of Influence, and I thought that meant just how 268 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 1: far reaching the Murdock family influence was because their legal dynasty, 269 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: they've been the prosecutors and they've had a civil law firm, 270 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: which I think is an incredible conflict of interest because 271 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: you're going to represent people that have been victims or 272 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: purps in the cases that you're prosecuting. I mean, wow, anyway, 273 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: that has lasted for decades and decades and decades. But 274 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: in this case, the title of your podcast goes as well, 275 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: impact of influence They are sending SLED. South Carolina Law 276 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 1: Enforcement Division is sending this evidence out, I think to 277 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 1: the fens, although that's not being reported where there is 278 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: no partiality one way or the other, and nobody's got 279 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: an ax to grind. So I think that's why they 280 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: did that. And I want to also point out that 281 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: FIT is reporting that this is just one piece of 282 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 1: evidence of many of evidence that placed the Murnock at 283 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: the scene at the time of the crime. Bobby Coon, 284 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: What can they be talking about? NAV system on his car, GPS, 285 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: satellite on his phone, triangulation, if he has watched Attraction, 286 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 1: if he's got a fitness tracker. You know, there's a 287 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of different things to you. Here's 288 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:32,479 Speaker 1: the problem. You may do all that uh fitbit found car, 289 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 1: all the NAV all the triangulation, but you gotta have 290 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 1: the time of death. Yeah, narrowed down because you can 291 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,239 Speaker 1: prove he's there at eight pm. But what if you 292 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: can't prove the deaths occurred at eight pm? What if 293 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: the deaths occurred at two pm, that's a problem. Yeah, 294 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 1: I thought it was weird. We've been saying from the 295 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: beginning that it was odd to us that they picked 296 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 1: a very short period of time for the possible death, 297 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: because they released that that ALEC made the call at 298 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: nine eleven and they said the time of death was 299 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: between nine and nine thirty. Well, that's according to the 300 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: autopsy report of Paul. That's a very short window. And 301 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: you guys are better at the science things than me, 302 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: but that seems like that's unusual to pin it down 303 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: to a thirty minute span, Is that what they said? 304 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: Matt Harris is jacoon Wright and I think he is. 305 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 1: Did they stays between nine and nine thirty the time 306 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: of Yes, according to the autopsy report of Paul, nine 307 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: and nine thirty and alcocoul was that ten o seven. Okay, 308 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: so they calls at ten o seven the death between 309 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: nine and nine thirty. Matt Harris and Bobby Chone, that 310 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: is certainly food for thought. How did they do it? 311 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, There may be a way that they're 312 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,360 Speaker 1: doing not scientifically, based on the body and the autopsy. 313 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: It could be Maggie murdog. The wife made a phone 314 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 1: call and had a conversation at eight forty five. Yeah, 315 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: it's coming back to electronics scenes. Listen to anybody that's 316 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: worth their salt, and forensics, particularly medical legal death investigation, 317 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: you don't you don't ever, you don't ever narrow down 318 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: beyond about a two to three hour window when you're 319 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: talking about post mortem interval, that is the moment in 320 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: time when an individual died until you actually get a 321 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: chance to examine the body. We are not fine tuned 322 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 1: enough for that. That gives me an indication here that 323 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: they're getting information from some other source that's going to 324 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: pin this day ostrinsic evidence to show time of death. 325 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: And I remember they did find they did find Maggie's phone, 326 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: uh the next day, tossed on the side of the 327 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: road and some weeks yeah, yeah, and they got a 328 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: really long driveway and I understand that the phone was 329 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: not far from the mailbox or is it on down 330 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: the road, Matt, they had they had to drive to it. 331 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: In fact, Mike Hoist was talking with Alex brother and 332 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: he they said that they got the information from Buster, 333 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: the brother of Paul, and how to ping Maggie's phone, 334 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: So they started walking around on the property they couldn't 335 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: find it, and then John Marvin got into car with 336 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: law enforcement and drove to where the phone was and 337 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: they found it. Wow, that's really valuable information. Hey, guys, 338 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: all of this that we're learning for those of you 339 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: just joining us. According to fit News, high velocity impact 340 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: spatter on Alex Murdock's shirt, the shirt he was wearing 341 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: the nine his wife and son were murdered. High velocity 342 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: impact blood spatter directly ties him to the double homicide. 343 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 1: And with this backdrop about the blood spatter placing him 344 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: at the bodies at the time they were shot dead. 345 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: Take a listen to him on his nine one one call, 346 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: and then we'll give doctor Sherry Schwartzer crack at it. 347 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 1: Take a listen. Okay, what is her name? Maggie, Maggie 348 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: and Paul Maggie and her name h yes, ma'am. Okay, 349 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: and please hurry. We're getting somebody out there to you 350 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: and me asking you these questions. Don't slow them down. Okay? 351 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 1: Are you sure they're not breathing? Is he moving now? 352 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: Your son? I know you said that she was shotting, 353 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: but what about your son, nobody, They're not neither one. 354 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: What is your telephone number? And does anything look out 355 00:24:54,520 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: of place? Man? Not particularly really, no, ma'am. Okay, straight 356 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: out to doctor Sherry Schwartz, forensic psychole just specializing and 357 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: capital mitigation at panther Mitigation dot com. Doctor Sherry Schwartz, 358 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 1: what do you make of it? Well, I think, you know, 359 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: going back earlier to what you and mister Chakom, we're 360 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 1: talking about the fact that he sounds so upset in 361 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 1: between the questions, but when he has to articulate the 362 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: answers to the questions, he seems to do that just fine. 363 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 1: He even is able to collect himself enough to sort 364 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: of I'm imagining him looking around to see if anything's 365 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: out of place before answering that question, and that to 366 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: me seems very odd. I don't know what his psychopathology is. 367 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: I've never met this person, but you know, it's this 368 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: seems to be a group of people, the Murdoch family, 369 00:25:55,119 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: that has a high degree of comfort being around death right. 370 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: The housekeeper I believe was killed at one point or 371 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: died in their presence, and they don't seem to have 372 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: a right. They don't seem to have a lot of empathy, 373 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 1: and yet he seems to do a remarkable job of 374 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: sounding like he's got this empathy for his apparently deceased 375 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 1: loved one. Let me go straight back out to special 376 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: guests joining us from South Carolina. It's Susan E. Williams, 377 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: high profile lawyer. Susan I want you to take a 378 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: listen to our cut twenty eight. It's more of than 379 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: I women call. Listen to this. Ma't with you ever 380 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: since you've got on the phone with me. I have 381 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: multiple people coming out there to you. Okay, I don't 382 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: want you to touch them at all. Okay, I don't. 383 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if he's already touched them at I don't. 384 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: I don't want you to touch them, just in case 385 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: they can get any kind of evidence. Okay, already touch 386 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: the time to get to see if they were breathing. Okay, Well, 387 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: I just don't want you to move anything, just in 388 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: case they can get any kind of evidence. Oh man, 389 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call. I need to call some of my family. Okay, old, well, 390 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: will do you a favor for me? Whenever you see 391 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: the officer or the medics, because they're they're all coming 392 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 1: to you. Absolutely okay, but we had them come and 393 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: turn on the flashes on your vehicle so they can 394 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: see you. Okay. I to Susan Williams, joining US, high 395 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:48,160 Speaker 1: profile lawyer out of South Carolina. He says, quote, I 396 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: only touched him to see if they were breathing. So 397 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: let's analyze that completely normal. He didn't reach down to 398 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: do CPR, he didn't hold his wife, hug her trying 399 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: to resuscitate her. And if he only touched them to 400 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: see if they were breathing, and why would there be 401 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: high velocity? But what's better on his shirt, which of 402 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 1: course that would be a transfer mark. Anyway back which 403 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: I'm in just for a second, nine one one called 404 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: is redacted in many places, which not a lot of 405 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: want I understand. Not a lot of states allow the 406 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 1: nine one calls when they're released by FLOYA to be redacted, 407 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: but that one is redacted. So some of those pauses 408 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: sometimes are things that were taken out by SLID. Yeah, 409 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: which I don't like at all, but I'm sure they 410 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: have their reasons. What about it, Susan Williams, did you 411 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: hear what he said? I only touched them to see 412 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: if that had a pulse. Well, he may have done CPR, 413 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: he may have hugged them, he may have done things 414 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: that went on that none of us are aware of. 415 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: But that's not what he said. He touched the body 416 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,479 Speaker 1: to check for a pulse. But I think that's normal 417 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: for someone who comes up on a dead body. I mean, 418 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: particularly if it's one of your loved ones. I believe 419 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: I'd try to at least resuscitate them if there was 420 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: any hope. But Susan Williams, what do you tell your 421 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: clients to do when they're sitting in court and this 422 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: nine one one call is being played for a jury? 423 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: What are they supposed to be like oj Sipson, act 424 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: like they're taking notes. Well, it depends on the circumstances, 425 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,239 Speaker 1: but I would I would I tell my clients that, uh, 426 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: you know, to listen to what's going on, to pay 427 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: attention to what's going on. If they need to write 428 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: down notes, right, write down notes. But um, you know, 429 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: we're not in a trial for this. No one has been. 430 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: No one has I don't. I still don't understand how 431 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: we've gone more than ten months and there is no arrest. Well, 432 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: I mean, he's been arrested for so many other things. 433 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: It's not like he's going anywhere. I mean, he's in 434 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: jail right now, Man Harris, as he should be. Why 435 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: is he in jail right now? I wanted to add 436 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: one more thing is that not only has there been 437 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: no arrest with than ten months, but right after the 438 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: double murders, there was a public statement given by law 439 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: enforcement that there's no reason for the public to fear 440 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: that there's a threat. There's no threat of safety to 441 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: the public. Yeah, because they know it's him. Yeah, that's 442 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: not what I well, I mean, how do you interpret that. Hey, everybody, 443 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: don't worry. We know who it is, somebody associated with 444 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: with Alec. But when we were talking about Tom, we 445 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: talk about that when he said he checked the bodies. 446 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: It's probably important to note that, according to I think 447 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: it's the Walstree Journal, Maggie was was either decapitated or 448 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: pretty close decapitated. Why do you say that, Matt Harris. 449 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: The Walree Journal reported that she was either nearly decapitated 450 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: or decapitated because they and then and then fitz News 451 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: Today said she was shot twice while on her stomach. 452 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: And we know that the the gun that was used 453 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: was was the ak Um and Shore range. That's and 454 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: with the kind of bullets that were used, that's I 455 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: don't see how you would think that Maggie was alive. 456 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: According to So, I don't even know why he's checking her. Well, 457 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: I guess you're just something you do. But how would 458 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: that have happened, Joe Scott Morgan. If she's shot with 459 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: a gun, why would she be nearly decapitated? Well, it's 460 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: a it's a blast injury, Nancy, when you get if 461 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: if in fact she has been sustained a gunshot wound 462 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: to the head. And Matt had mentioned an AK platform 463 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: And just so that folks know, that caliber is a 464 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: seven point six to two by thirty nine. It's got 465 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: a very high muzzle velocity. And if you're in close proximity, 466 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: it's not just the projectile the bullet that's doing the damage. 467 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: It's this blowing out gas. And if it's a contact 468 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: wound heads. I have actually seen this occur many times 469 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: over the course of my career. Heads literally come apart. 470 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: They'll actually fracture, the skulls will fracture along with suiture lines, 471 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: and so that can explain this kind of I hate 472 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: to use the term blowback, but this fond mist that 473 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: comes on the individual relative to this high velocity blood spatter. 474 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: One more thing, Nancy, that really needs to be explored here, 475 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: I think, is that you have two individuals that are 476 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: deceased now, so whoever is doing the examination on the 477 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: shirts are on the clothing rather, let me phrase it 478 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: that way, they're having to separate out both of these 479 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: high velocity patterns. Perhaps they might you might have two 480 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: blood sources here, so they have to go in and 481 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: specifically identify you're talking about mom and you're talking about son, 482 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: to see if both of their blood is in this 483 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: fine message. Yeah, it's overlying or overlaid, and it can commingle, 484 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: what we call commingle, and so that's kind of very 485 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: difficult to kind of separate out and it could take 486 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: some time to do this. Well, I'm glad you're saying that, 487 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, because that answers Susan Williams's question as to 488 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: why ten months have passed and if the blood spatter 489 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: evidence the high velocity impact spatter, it's fit News says 490 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: it's not the only thing placing Murdoch there at the 491 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: scene of the double murders. It's analysis and the time 492 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: it takes to send things too. For instance, Quantico could 493 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: explain the ten months laps. What about that, Joe Scott, Wait, 494 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: hold on, I hear Bobby's coo breaking in. Bobby, could that? 495 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: Could it take that many months to perform such a 496 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: delicate test? Yeah, And I've spoke to doctor Joe about 497 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: this before. I mean these these tests take time, um, 498 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: and you know and and oftentimes um, the results would 499 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: take a while to analyze and get back. In my 500 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: in my reading of the Fit News and other sources, 501 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: I think this. I think it only comes from one source. 502 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: I think it's the Sun's um. And Fitness is very 503 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: careful not to say blood spatter, but they say high 504 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: lossity impacts spatter, which this could be three bows final 505 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: fluid from the skull of the Sun. Because apparently from 506 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: other reporting, a wife we shot while on the ground, 507 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: it's released the head shot. Um, she's shot in the 508 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: back of cell, then shot in the back of ahead. 509 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: The sun is hit with a shotgun to the chest 510 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: and then the head um. The only thing that benefits 511 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: alice murcers in this scenario. I believe he wasn't a shooter, 512 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: but he probably walked them into the kill zone. He 513 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: was probably instructed to walk them into the kill zone, 514 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: and so they he was walking with his wife and 515 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: son just before, and he knew that they were about 516 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 1: to be shot. That's why he was so close to them. 517 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: Because these are both a long barrel weapons. It's very 518 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: hard to shoot somebody within thirty six inches with a 519 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: long barrel weapon with them not knowing you're about to 520 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: shoot them, or it's just these are these weapons are 521 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 1: meant to be fired from a much greater distance than 522 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: thirty six inches. But it's also conceivable that he was 523 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: instructed where to walk them so the people lying in 524 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: wait with these long barrel weapons were able to take 525 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,720 Speaker 1: those shots and to clear up that it was ahead 526 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 1: a R fifteen. Okay, I'm I'm glad that, Matt. I'm 527 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: glad you brought that up. Because the AAR fifteen is 528 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: going to be a five point five six millimeter or 529 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: point two to three caliber. It's still a very high 530 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: velocity round. It's the same platform that our military and 531 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 1: our tactical police officers use as well. But this to 532 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: Bobby's point, Nancy, here you're talking about two shoulder fired 533 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 1: long weapons, a shotgun, and essentially a military style weapon 534 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: that are being used. This has to be fired from 535 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: the shoulder. Traditionally, it can be fired from the hip 536 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: if you watch Arnold Schwarzenegger movies. But firing from the 537 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,720 Speaker 1: shoulder that's the standard position of these things. And so 538 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: you've got great barrel linked here more so with the 539 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 1: shotgun depended upon the platform. If it's a like a 540 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,359 Speaker 1: riot shotgun, then it would have a shorter barrel on it. 541 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: But if you're talking like a twelve gage hunting shotgun, 542 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: for instance, you've got and shooting birds with, it's going 543 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: to have a longer barrel. But it's it's it's This 544 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: has always bothered me about this case, Nancy, the fact 545 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: that you've got two shoulder fired long weapons involved in 546 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 1: this double homicide. Why in the world would a single 547 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: perpetrator come out to the scene armed with two long weapons. 548 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: It's just it doesn't make any sense to me. Time 549 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. Isn't it true, Matt Harris joining 550 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 1: us from wl n K that at least one of 551 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,439 Speaker 1: the murder weapons was owned by the Alex Murdoch family. Well, 552 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 1: we know that the Murdoch did own an AR fifteen 553 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: that uses the m with that was found by the 554 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: three hundred blackout according the ball Street Journal, but that 555 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: was not recovered or turned over for inspection, is what 556 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 1: we're hearing. So that now, so that leaves us to 557 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: believe if you take every report and put altogether, that 558 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 1: maybe the shotgun was found, but that is still again 559 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: one of those rumors that's out there, and the R 560 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,760 Speaker 1: fifteen according to the journal, that's not. Then the Murdoch 561 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:08,800 Speaker 1: owned one was not collected. We're not sure why that was. Guys, 562 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: take a listen to our friend DANAE. Bucci and w 563 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 1: j C L twenty two are kept one. Margaret and 564 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,320 Speaker 1: Paul Murdall were identified by the Colleton County Coroner's Office 565 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 1: so earlier this afternoon. It was a long day for 566 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,319 Speaker 1: investigators at this property in Islington, a rural area north 567 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: of Barneville in Colleton County. The bodies of Margaret and 568 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: Paul Murdall were found at ten pm Monday night. The 569 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,359 Speaker 1: Coleton County Coroner's Office tells us preliminary results show both 570 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 1: died from gunshot looms. Margaret Murdoll was fifty two and 571 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 1: was the mother of Paul Murdoch, who was twenty two. 572 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 1: Their bodies were discovered at the family hunting lodge off 573 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,280 Speaker 1: Mussel Road. According to county records, Maggie owned the property. 574 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,800 Speaker 1: The State Law Enforcement Division has joined the investigation into 575 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 1: their death. The Colton County Sheriff's Office, as well as 576 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: LEDs say they don't have any lead, but they don't 577 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: believe that this incident should be a worry for the public. 578 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 1: You know, again, the time of the deaths has been 579 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 1: placed between nine and nine thirty that evening. Now back 580 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: to you, Matt joining us. Mattah He Murdog states that 581 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,399 Speaker 1: he was visiting his father in the hospital at that time, 582 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: and I'm very curious about whether video surveillance was seized 583 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: from the hospital, of course, pursuing it to want showing 584 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: him at what time he left, and then performing the 585 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 1: usual experiments to see how long it would take to 586 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 1: get from the hospital to the hunting lodge where they 587 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 1: were murdered. Well, I have since learned that he was 588 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 1: at the hospital at one point with his dad, who 589 00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:00,800 Speaker 1: died a few days later, but he was actually his mom, 590 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:05,360 Speaker 1: who suffers from Alzheimer's and dementia, at her house at 591 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 1: from nine to nine in that range nine thirty, watching 592 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: a game show or something, and she has a and 593 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 1: the word is that she has a your caretaker that 594 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 1: was there at that time to do the vouching. I 595 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 1: don't know it's true, but it's a very short drive 596 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 1: from her mom's house. I've driven it from the mom's 597 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:32,720 Speaker 1: his mom's house to the hunting area. I mean twenty minutes, 598 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,839 Speaker 1: maybe fifteen. So who was saying he was with mom 599 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: between nine and nine thirty because law enforcements very clear 600 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 1: that that's the window. I'm the martyrs. Yeah, well, I 601 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 1: mean that's what if they're using that as alibi and 602 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,280 Speaker 1: they haven't said a specific time, but that it's alibi, 603 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,439 Speaker 1: I assume it lines up with the nine to nine 604 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: thirty or some much up an alibi. So, um, if 605 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 1: it makes sense that he if he left his mom's 606 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 1: at nine thirty, he'd be well, bba there before ten o'clock. 607 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 1: But I'm just putting two and two together that if 608 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,399 Speaker 1: it's if it's his alibi and they think she's they're 609 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 1: killed in between nine and thirty, he must say he 610 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,360 Speaker 1: was there between nine and nine thirty. Straight back to 611 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: Bobby's count. How do you make sense of what you're 612 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: hearing right now? From Matt Harris, well, I think you know, 613 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: as doctor Joe even alluded to Rower, I don't think 614 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,879 Speaker 1: these time frames can be that exact. I think these 615 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,760 Speaker 1: are approximations. I think both at the time of death 616 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,280 Speaker 1: and these times of travel and the times he left, 617 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,360 Speaker 1: I think these are very approximations. I mean, if you 618 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: ask me of my day yesterday, I could give you 619 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 1: approximate times and when I did certain things, but those 620 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: aren't going to be to the minute. Those are going 621 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: to be also minus five ten minutes depending on what 622 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,880 Speaker 1: I was doing, not really. If you use yourself funding 623 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: your NAV data off of your car, it will be 624 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 1: down to the minute. If that's used, sir Millis video, 625 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:46,920 Speaker 1: it is time to stamped the same thing that it's 626 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 1: stamped correctly, right, Which is why, which is why his 627 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 1: lawyers are snowing by his own statements and saying it 628 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 1: an airtight alibi when the police are saying, no, he's 629 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 1: a suspect in this case, he's a person of interest 630 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,839 Speaker 1: in this double homicide because statements of when he did 631 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 1: certain things may not match up with the electronics that 632 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: they now have. I mean, the lawyer is saying this, 633 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:13,760 Speaker 1: Jim Griffin who is Alex Murdock's lawyer is saying, quote, 634 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: I assure you we have Alex's whereabouts for completely that time. 635 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,400 Speaker 1: That night, he's sitting on the bedside of his mother 636 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,760 Speaker 1: at her house when the coroner says the murders happened 637 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: watching a game show on TV. How many times have 638 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,480 Speaker 1: people relied on what's on TV at the time a 639 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,720 Speaker 1: murder or a crime occurred. That doesn't always pan out 640 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 1: the way you think it's going to pan out. Another 641 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: thing to you, Matt. We also understand that this is 642 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,839 Speaker 1: now one of the largest and most complex criminal corruption 643 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:53,000 Speaker 1: investigations ever in Palmetto State history. This has gone now 644 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 1: into corruption. How well I mean Alex has been I 645 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 1: think there's seventy one charges against him, a little over 646 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,440 Speaker 1: eight million dollars that he's allegedtro taken from clients, but 647 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,879 Speaker 1: the number is estimated by most to be more like 648 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 1: twelve or fifteen or something. There's a judge that has 649 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 1: come under fire because she signed off on the settlement 650 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,880 Speaker 1: with the sadder Field kids, but it was worded oddly. 651 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 1: It seemed to be hidden within the system. So note 652 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:32,400 Speaker 1: so the Beach family goodbye and facilitated all of the embezzlement. Oh, 653 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 1: there's got to be there. I think that there has 654 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,239 Speaker 1: to be plenty of people involved, you would think. I 655 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,320 Speaker 1: don't think over ten years you can take like fifteen 656 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,200 Speaker 1: million dollars and do it alone. For all of you 657 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:49,080 Speaker 1: just joining us. According to fit news high velocity impact spatter, 658 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:56,240 Speaker 1: we think blood directly tying Alex Murrague to the double 659 00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:01,239 Speaker 1: murders of his wife and son. As of now, there 660 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,920 Speaker 1: are no murder charges leveled against anyone in the double 661 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,799 Speaker 1: murders of Maggie and Paul Murdog. No one has been 662 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:14,440 Speaker 1: named a suspect at this time. We wait as just 663 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,360 Speaker 1: as sunfalls. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,