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Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: What is up straight fire, fam, It's me Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: Straight Fire for Friday, May the seventeenth. Another blowout in

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Speaker 2: the NBA last night, much closer game in my men's league. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I will talk about that. Why not? And we got

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Speaker 2: a great interview today with a former NFL player. I

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Speaker 2: think you're gonna like it. He likes the Niners a

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Speaker 2: lot this year. And I'll just say this, we haven't

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Speaker 2: interviewed anyone on the pod who has rehabbed with Tom

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Speaker 2: Brady before. Yes, that happened to our guests, who we'll

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Speaker 2: get to later. At the end, we'll do best bets

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Speaker 2: for Pacers Knicks game six tonight and then Okase versus

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Speaker 2: Dallas Game six on Saturday. But we will start with

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Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards and the I don't even know what to

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Speaker 2: call them, the free wheeling Minnesota Timberwolves. I mean, what

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Speaker 2: do you say about a forty five point dusting of

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Speaker 2: the defending champions. I mean, goodness, gracious, the Timberwolves essentially

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Speaker 2: fall down in the first few seconds and then absolutely

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Speaker 2: take over the game. It is a bloodbath by the

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Speaker 2: end of the first quarter. Was never closed, and we

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Speaker 2: get yet another blowout in the series. Timberwolves role one,

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Speaker 2: fifteen to seventy. It kind of sort of felt like

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Speaker 2: once the third quarter was happening that Denver was just like,

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Speaker 2: all right, you know what, let's just circle back. We

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Speaker 2: can't cut it to single digits. This is a wrap.

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Speaker 2: Jamal Murray still can't get going four of eighteen, and

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Speaker 2: you know, listen, Anthony Edwards is phenomenal with twenty seven,

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Speaker 2: including one of the great moves you'll see of the postseason,

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Speaker 2: filthy heavy against Michael Porter Jr. And then he soars

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Speaker 2: in for the dunk. He was a plus four three.

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Speaker 2: Is that like an NBA record? I don't know. I've

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Speaker 2: seen a plus forty three. I don't know. What can

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Speaker 2: you take from the series. So Timberwolves win Game one

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Speaker 2: by seven, win Game two by twenty six. The Nuggets

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Speaker 2: then win Game three by twenty seven. The Nuggets went

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Speaker 2: Game four by eight, Nuggets win Game five by fifteen,

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Speaker 2: and now this just epic beatdown in Game six. So

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Speaker 2: we're looking at a series where there have been and

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Speaker 2: Rob and I tried to crunch this. It looks like

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Speaker 2: there were less than two minutes of clutch time as

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Speaker 2: defined by the NBA in the entire series, and that

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Speaker 2: would be in Game one, Minnesota was up five and

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Speaker 2: then it was cut to three, and they cut it

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Speaker 2: and that's it the entire series. We haven't seen key, interesting, clutch,

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Speaker 2: Game one. And there weren't really, you know, it wasn't

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Speaker 2: like member Lakers Nuggets, just scintillating stuff. There wasn't. There

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Speaker 2: hasn't been any of that. However, the obvious parallel is

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Speaker 2: the twenty sixteen finals the Golden State Warriors and the

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Speaker 2: Cleveland Cavaliers, essentially six blowouts. Now, there was the Draymont suspension,

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Speaker 2: there was the Andrew Bogot injury. Things happened. That being said,

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Speaker 2: Game seven was a close, ugly, low scoring thriller won

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Speaker 2: by the road team Cleveland. Of course, Kyrie Irving hitting

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Speaker 2: the bleak Big three. And I don't know, Robi, it's

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Speaker 2: tough for me to make a case for Minnesota going

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Speaker 2: I know they did already win twice in Denver, but

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Speaker 2: we're talking about jokicchen a game. It just feels like

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Speaker 2: there's no way he lets them lose. Now, listen if

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Speaker 2: Jamal Burray goes four of eighteen and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: maybe do they have an off offense? We'll see. I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to call up the line, Rob without looking, do

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Speaker 2: you want to guess the game seven line for oh Man,

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Speaker 2: is it on Monday? No, it's on Sunday. But what's

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Speaker 2: what about Warriors Kings? Now that series had closed games

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Speaker 3: it wasn't enough. We'll get him a game seven.

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Speaker 2: Like no, he is just standing there, fuming watching his

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Speaker 2: to matter if Jamal Murder isn't show up. But he

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Speaker 2: did not show up in Game six. I saw this

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Speaker 2: stat early this morning. Jamal Murray in this postseason is

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Speaker 2: averaging nineteen point three points per game on twenty point

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Speaker 2: John Havlicek in sixty five have averaged less points per

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Speaker 2: Not good for my got, Jamal Murray. Yeah, we we know.

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Speaker 2: It's very difficult to go back to back in any sport.

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Speaker 2: There are gonna be bumps. It's just difficult. So last

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Speaker 2: whatever they called it, the Sun's pushed them. Well, now

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Speaker 2: this year the Lakers really pushed them, and now the

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Speaker 2: Timberwls have forces to Game seven. I'm sorry, folks, I

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Speaker 2: don't think this team is unbeatable and I am gonna

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Speaker 2: best bests later. I think they will. But I can

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Speaker 2: see the maps in Denver again. This this, let's be real.

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Speaker 2: This is not as good a Denver team as they

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Speaker 2: had last year. That's an undeniable fact. When you look

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Speaker 2: Murray and Caldwell Pope. They are minus fifty in one

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Speaker 2: He's gonna probably have to play forty forty two minutes,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Mike Conley back was obviously key. Thirty

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Speaker 2: I don't see Anthony Edwards rolling over this probably ends

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Speaker 2: up with one of these Jordan rules type games. Remember

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Speaker 2: we're not letting Michael Jordan beat us. We're gonna body

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Speaker 2: know what, Carl Anton Towns beat us, Mike Conley beat us.

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Speaker 2: Jada McDaniels, can you hit shots in a game?

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Speaker 4: Seven?

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Speaker 2: McDaniels was great last night. But anyways, we'll do best

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Speaker 2: bets at the end. But without further ado, let's get

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Speaker 2: to our guest, former NFL linebacker safety Tank Williams.

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

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Speaker 1: everything when it comes to sports.

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Speaker 2: I know what sports fans want, but for.

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Speaker 1: Everything he doesn't, he knows the guy who does.

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Speaker 5: Let's just say I know a guy who knows the

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Speaker 5: guy who knows another guy.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's welcome into the pod. First time guest.

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Speaker 2: He played for three different teams in the NFL. Titan, Vikings, Patriots.

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Speaker 2: Tank Williams first team All American in two thousand and

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Speaker 2: one at Stanford. Wow, big time Tank? How you doing man?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Pretty good man. Yeah, that's one of my claim the fames.

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Speaker 5: You know, John Lynch was a hell of a player

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Speaker 5: that played safety at Stanford, But I don't even think

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Speaker 4: So I like to hang my hat on that at

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Speaker 5: Little bit, even though he pretty much eclips me in

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Speaker 4: But at least I got that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, nice. Nice. So one of the tough ones is,

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Speaker 2: so you played for Titans, Vikings, Patriots, three different teams

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Speaker 2: when it's Sunday this fall, do you find yourself rooting

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Speaker 5: If I got fantasy players on those teams, I do.

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Speaker 5: Otherwise I really don't care. I mean I would say

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Speaker 5: But Ultimately, I just like to see good football. And

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Speaker 5: I would say that my mom, given that the Patriots

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Speaker 2: playing for Belichick.

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Speaker 4: You know, through the media and what he would give.

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Speaker 5: Oh, it's always a big deal because the first thing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's a kind of insight that I didn't expect.

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Speaker 2: Nice. Let me quickly ask you about coming out of college.

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Speaker 2: So Belichick saw you for what you could be. Did

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Speaker 5: A little bit. I mean, I think I played well

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Speaker 4: I was like, man, I have to play for this dude.

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Speaker 2: Wow. So I just looked up the Brad Children's incident.

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Speaker 2: You went there after that? Is that why you went there?

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Speaker 4: Like I can't even remember the exact details. I remember

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's because he missed the game because of his

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Speaker 2: love to talk about how man, you know, you kind

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Speaker 2: of die twice when you die at the end of

436
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Speaker 2: your life and then when your career is over because

437
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Speaker 2: the cheering stops and you're no longer getting free meals

438
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Speaker 2: and free jinks and drinks and women throwing themselves at you,

439
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Speaker 2: And like, I don't know, you've seem to transition pretty

440
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Speaker 2: damn well given what I was reading about you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting.

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Speaker 5: I would say that towards the lot of part of

443
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Speaker 5: my career, I was taking a bunch of entrepreneurship programs

444
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Speaker 5: to the NFL, just trying to figure out what I

445
00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,720
Speaker 5: wanted to do life after football, and so I always

446
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,960
Speaker 5: had like this general interest in real estate, so I

447
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,840
Speaker 5: kind of gravitated towards that initially. But I think the

448
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Speaker 5: reason I went that route versus just kind of going

449
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Speaker 5: into something strictly football at the beginners, because like you said,

450
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Speaker 5: you just kind of die when your dream of playing

451
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Speaker 5: an NFL or you don't get an opportunity to reach

452
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Speaker 5: our potential in the NFL because of injuries, and so

453
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Speaker 5: I wanted to be as far removed from the game

454
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Speaker 5: as possible. But the way I got rope back in

455
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 5: was I had a bunch of college buddies who got

456
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Speaker 5: me playing fantasy football, and I just fell in love

457
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Speaker 5: with playing fantasy football. And then I went to a

458
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Speaker 5: convention in Vegas and met Brad Evans, who was like

459
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Speaker 5: on the show of Yahoo's Fantasy Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

460
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Speaker 5: And so then they recruited me, and that's all working

461
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Speaker 5: with Yahoo in twenty fifteen. It got into fantasy and

462
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Speaker 5: then naturally kind of gravitated towards college football NFL analyst

463
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Speaker 5: work after that, and so now I do a little

464
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Speaker 5: bit of everything that along with sports betting.

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Speaker 2: So let me ask you about the betting. It's kind

466
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Speaker 2: of popping everywhere. You're out here in California, so unfortunately,

467
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Speaker 2: you know, it's not air quotes legal. But I don't know,

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Speaker 2: do you Where are you on the whole gambling thing.

469
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Speaker 2: You know, we've seen some NBA players getting hot water.

470
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Speaker 2: We saw Calvin Ridley gets suspended for a season. I

471
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Speaker 2: don't know, man, It just it does seem a little

472
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Speaker 2: I know why the NFL has to like give the

473
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Speaker 2: hard suspensions, but it seems a little aggressive that you

474
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Speaker 2: can gamble on other sports, just not at the facility coaches,

475
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Speaker 2: they can't gamble on anything. And then it's just I

476
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Speaker 2: don't know, the rules seemed wishy washy. Where are you

477
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Speaker 2: on the gamble?

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Speaker 4: I think the rules are weird.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think it's wishywa wash it because for

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Speaker 5: the longest time, the NFL had this stance that they

481
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Speaker 5: were totally against gambler, just like at one point they

482
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Speaker 5: were totally against marijuana used just because if that's the

483
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Speaker 5: way that the laws were at that given time. And

484
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Speaker 5: so now that you know marijuana is legal in a

485
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Speaker 5: bunch of states, now that gambler is legal in a

486
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Speaker 5: bunch of states. But gambling, more specifically, it makes the

487
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Speaker 5: NFL a lot of money, So obviously they want to

488
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Speaker 5: be intertwine with gambling. You have the Super Bowl being

489
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Speaker 5: played in Vegas, you have a bunch of stadiums now

490
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Speaker 5: that have their own sports books, you have a lot

491
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Speaker 5: of teams that have their own affiliations with these casinos,

492
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Speaker 5: and so they're getting money out of the deal. Yet

493
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Speaker 5: at the same time, you want to make it seem

494
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Speaker 5: like these games on the up and up, and so

495
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Speaker 5: it's just hard to try to divide that line to

496
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Speaker 5: say that, yeah, we want to be in bed with

497
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Speaker 5: these guys, but then at the same time, we're going

498
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Speaker 5: to have these like strict rules and regulations on what

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Speaker 5: our players can do, just to try to justify our

500
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Speaker 5: coexistence with these gambling institutions. So I think it's a

501
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Speaker 5: great line. Understand what they're trying to navigate. It's just

502
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Speaker 5: going to be a little dicey, I think in the beginning.

503
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Speaker 5: I won't even say the beginning. I think it's gonna

504
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Speaker 5: always be dice because you may have some folks who

505
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Speaker 5: in these situations we like the basketball player like Porter,

506
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Speaker 5: where he ends up giving some information to a guy

507
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Speaker 5: who makes some money and then everyone's going to question whether, yeah,

508
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Speaker 5: question whether that's happening with more than one player. So

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Speaker 5: it's just one of those evils that you're just gonna

510
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Speaker 5: have to deal with once you get involved with Betan.

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, it's almost like the league was like,

512
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Speaker 2: no gambling, no gad, but wait, how much money you

513
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Speaker 2: guys going.

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Speaker 4: To share with them? Exactly?

515
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Speaker 2: Oh, oh okay, let's do it. Let's yeah. It just

516
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Speaker 2: it feels unseeming. So now, anyways, the schedules are out.

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Speaker 2: I know it's way early, it's freaking May, but I'm

518
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Speaker 2: just curious, do any teams jump out at you from

519
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Speaker 2: an over understand point and then you know who you

520
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Speaker 2: got in the Super Bowl and please don't say the

521
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Speaker 2: Chiefs for a third straight year.

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Speaker 5: Come on, Yeah, So I wouldn't say, like the San

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Speaker 5: Francisco for a nine in this schedule intrigues me from

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Speaker 5: an over understand point, but I will say it from

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Speaker 5: this perspective. Like when I was a rookie, we played

526
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Speaker 5: the New England Patriots, or maybe it was my second year.

527
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Speaker 5: I'm trying to remember, but I remember we're actually up

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Speaker 5: in Foxborough, and you know, we got beat and Tom

529
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Speaker 5: Brady was quarterback, and so the older guys like samaro Roll,

530
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Speaker 5: they were accustomed to Drew Bledsoe being the quarterback of

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Speaker 5: the Patriots.

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Speaker 4: So we go into the locker room.

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Speaker 5: After the end of the game and he's like, man,

534
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Speaker 5: I can't believe we got beat by damn Tom Brady.

535
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Speaker 4: Like, ain't this some ish?

536
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Speaker 5: And then like fast forward a couple of years later,

537
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Speaker 5: it was like, yo, like actually, like we got beat

538
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Speaker 5: by Tom Brady, who's already won the Super Bowl, and

539
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Speaker 5: it's like a different cat because you know Tom Brady,

540
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Speaker 5: you know, got drafted late in the draft and things

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Speaker 5: like that, so there was like this narrative of him,

542
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Speaker 5: and I think brock party is still that way.

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Speaker 4: I remember going into the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: I say that there was no way that fort Nite

545
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Speaker 5: are going to be competitive unless Christian McCaffrey had himself

546
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Speaker 5: a game and McCaffrey was okay, but he fumbled and

547
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Speaker 5: Brock Party played phenomenal ball that made some amazing throws

548
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Speaker 5: and kept the team in it didn't make many mistakes,

549
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Speaker 5: and I think this could be the year where he

550
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Speaker 5: actually levels up once again. He has the opportunity to

551
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Speaker 5: as well, playing against like the Jets and all these

552
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Speaker 5: other tough defenses early on.

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Speaker 4: In the season.

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Speaker 5: If he could be the guy that the team wins

555
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Speaker 5: because of him and without having to lean on all

556
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Speaker 5: these other guys, I think he can really set himself

557
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Speaker 5: apart and really change the narrator on how people view him.

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Speaker 2: Wow, so you got Niners over who.

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Speaker 4: Oh you mean in that schedule?

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Speaker 2: Well, super Bowl? I meant like more of the Super

561
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Speaker 2: Bowl super Bowl and that's way way early.

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Speaker 5: Honestly, I don't I won't be surprised if the Niners

563
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Speaker 5: make it back. I mean, I think the one thing

564
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Speaker 5: that I'm more intrigued than anything else about is the

565
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Speaker 5: Chiefs getting back in three peating, because.

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Speaker 2: No, before you think they could get back, I think.

567
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Speaker 5: They can because I doubted them so much. I doubted

568
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Speaker 5: the Chiefs after they lost Tyreek Hill. They were able

569
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Speaker 5: to go back and win the Super Bowl, And now

570
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Speaker 5: I feel like they've actually improved by getting some more

571
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Speaker 5: offensive weapons. I mean Marquis Brown, I think he adds

572
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Speaker 5: an element to the offense. I understand that they're dealing

573
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Speaker 5: with some stuff with Shei Rice, but then you get

574
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Speaker 5: Xavier Worthy, you still have that defense in place. You're

575
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Speaker 5: able to re sign Chris Jones. I mean, I think

576
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Speaker 5: the Chiefs are set up and at the same time,

577
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Speaker 5: I think they've dealt with as much adversity and just

578
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Speaker 5: people poking around as they can. Last year with the

579
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Speaker 5: Taylor Swift effect, like I feel like, if you can

580
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Speaker 5: navigate Travis Kelsey being injured at the beginning of the season,

581
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Speaker 5: Taylor Swift being at all the games and everything that

582
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Speaker 5: that involved around the team, narrative is still somehow, some

583
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Speaker 5: way you win the Super Bowl in spite of all that, Like,

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Speaker 5: why shouldn't they be favorous in AFC they win again?

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Speaker 2: Interesting? I guess the counter would be, if you remember

586
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Speaker 2: last year they were only eight and five after they

587
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Speaker 2: lost to the Raiders. I think it was like a

588
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Speaker 2: December game. Yeah, and they they they just couldn't do anything,

589
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Speaker 2: and they were eight and five and it was like, ooh,

590
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 2: these guys aren't great. And then Snead now is with

591
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Speaker 2: the I think the Titans. Yeah, I mean, what do

592
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Speaker 2: you think Rice is going to get four or five games?

593
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Speaker 4: He could? He could. I mean, I really don't know

594
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Speaker 4: how the lead is going to come down on that.

595
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Speaker 5: But one, you have the issue with the car, and

596
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 5: then but he hit someone out of club club, a

597
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 5: photographer something, So I mean, so there's going to be

598
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Speaker 5: something levied against him. But I will say this, like

599
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Speaker 5: I understand that they were eight and five, but when

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Speaker 5: the Raiders beat.

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Speaker 4: Them, that was a spark. No, he got gonna run

602
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Speaker 4: after that. And so.

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Speaker 5: That's the reason why I look at the Baltimore Ravens

604
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Speaker 5: the same way where I look at that schedule, and

605
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Speaker 5: I was trying to see what matchups are like. But

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Speaker 5: ultimately I'm like, I don't really give a damn what

607
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Speaker 5: happens to the Ravens. I don't care if they finished

608
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Speaker 5: with the best record in the AFC. I don't care

609
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Speaker 5: if they sneak into the playoffs. I think the only

610
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Speaker 5: thing that matters for the Ravens is that once they

611
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Speaker 5: get in the playoffs, they need to flip the switch

612
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Speaker 5: and then become some dogs and then so that they

613
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Speaker 5: can go and win the Super Bowl, like nothing else

614
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 5: really matters after that, like people gonna believe what they

615
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 5: wanted to have these narratives built around Lamar Jackson.

616
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Speaker 4: I think he's a phenomenal player.

617
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Speaker 5: But until he wins the Super Bowl, people are just

618
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Speaker 5: going to hold onto these narratives that they had for

619
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Speaker 5: the past three or four years. So right now, the

620
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Speaker 5: Ravens just need to one get back into the playoffs

621
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Speaker 5: and then go ahead and beat the teams like the

622
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Speaker 5: Kansas City Chiefs and everyone else to say that they'll

623
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Speaker 5: get a ring and then you know, they changed the

624
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Speaker 5: narrative completely on how people view.

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Speaker 2: I'll just say the other thing on the Chiefs. Last

626
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 2: thing is their tackle situation is dicey. So they lost

627
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Speaker 2: Donovan Smith. Their new tackle is one Ya Morris. He

628
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Speaker 2: was a rookie out of Oklahoma last year basically played

629
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Speaker 2: in like six games and then the right tackle was

630
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Speaker 2: a disaster. The kid Taylor who kept false starting all

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Speaker 2: the time. I don't know, man, two shady tackles. Travis

632
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Speaker 2: Kelce turns thirty five. Probably know where she rice and

633
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Speaker 2: they lost sneed on defense, who was excellent. I don't

634
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Speaker 2: think they're going back. I don't think there's any way

635
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Speaker 2: to go back, but I know I'm gonna be perceived

636
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Speaker 2: as a hater anyways, Tank Williams, great stuff, you know,

637
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Speaker 2: continued success in the Bay Area. Thanks for coming on, buddy,

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Speaker 2: Oh but so appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having.

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Speaker 1: The only thing better than sitting on your couch watching

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Speaker 1: the gage. He's making money while you do it. Here's

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Speaker 1: your best bet.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff from Tank Williams. Let's quickly do best bets.

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Speaker 2: Only one game tonight. Nicks PACER's word is og Annobi

645
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Speaker 2: will not play. He's listed as doubtful as we recorded

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Speaker 2: early on a Friday morning. I can't see it happening,

647
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 2: and without Annobe, it's gonna look bleak for the nixt.

648
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Speaker 2: So the Pacers are six and a half point favorites.

649
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Speaker 2: I believe the Pacers win and cover. I think the

650
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Speaker 2: safer bets are probably first quarter, first half. You know,

651
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Speaker 2: you never know a Halliburton decides to pull an O show.

652
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Speaker 2: But I think the Pacers get it done here in

653
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: fourth game seven and listen, everybody wins ROB. When we

654
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: get a game seven, the concern for the Knicks rob

655
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: is the timetable, so they get an extra day of

656
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: rest for this game. But if it goes seven, the

657
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: turnaround time is less than forty eight hours. You know,

658
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 2: usually to play Monday night, Wednesday night or whatever, Tuesday night,

659
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 2: Thursday night. This is Friday night, Sunday afternoon. That is

660
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 2: not ideal for a Knicks team. And again, it's not

661
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 2: like you know, it's not like the travels brutal. But

662
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 2: if the Villanova Knicks guys are logging forty two plus

663
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 2: minutes and then less than forty eight hours later, got

664
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: to go back and do it again. I know you

665
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: can ride the garden crowd, but I don't think that's

666
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: going to be a blowout. I think it'll be a

667
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: difficult game. So the Knicks will push hard to win this,

668
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 2: but I like the Pacers to win. I'll go Pacers

669
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 2: one oh two, Nicks ninety four.

670
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 4: Oh.

671
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 3: So you got the Pacers to win and cover Yeah,

672
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 3: I don't know if I would go yeah.

673
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: I don't know about the cover. I don't know.

674
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 3: I don't know if I would go that far. I

675
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 3: agree with you, though, If the Knicks are going to

676
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 3: win this series. Their best chance is to win this

677
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 3: game because of that quick turnaround. And I know there

678
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 3: are some people most know, like stan Van Gundy's on

679
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 3: the broadcast, he's been ripping people about you know, wall

680
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 3: uh at Nikola Jokic is playing or me na which

681
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 3: Luka Doncic is playing forty plus minutes and Kyrie is

682
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 3: playing forty plus minutes.

683
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 2: Well, what's the big deal about the Nicks guys? Everyone's

684
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 2: worried with the Knicks guys. The difference is with these.

685
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 3: Knicks guys is their style of play is so much

686
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 3: different than what you're seeing from.

687
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 2: Like Luka Doncic type.

688
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 3: Luca is basically for the most part, playing only one

689
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 3: side of the basketball, right, he's just offensively. Defensively, they're

690
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 3: trying to hide as much as possible the way that

691
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 3: this Knicks team is built, because they're so shorthanded, they

692
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 3: are having to play balls to the wall the entire game. Basically,

693
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 3: like Josh hart Dot DEEVINCHENZK, I think that's why Devin

694
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 3: Chenlin has been such a big slump recently. Is I

695
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: just don't know if he has the legs to play

696
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 3: both ends of the floor with that much aggression, and

697
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 3: so Jalen Brunson is doing everything offensively.

698
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 2: Defensively, they're hiding him a little bit. But the other

699
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: guys are having to do so much. There's so much movement,

700
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: there's so much off the ball cutting and screening and

701
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: rebounding and things that they got to do that if

702
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: they don't get it done in game six, I would

703
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 2: probably still pick the Knicks in Game seven because of

704
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 2: the home court, but I wouldn't feel good about it

705
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: and I definitely wouldn't bet on it. So for the

706
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: purposes of this show, give me the Knicks plus the

707
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: five and a half. Oh okay, and if you're really

708
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 2: feeling surely so you could take and a half.

709
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 4: There you go.

710
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 3: And if you're really feeling squarely, go ahead and take

711
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 3: the Nicks on the money line.

712
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: Oh all right, listen, I'm a Knicks fan. I'm rooting

713
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: for a seventh game. Also, I have Haliburton in that

714
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: dumb player points pool. I also have Donovan frickin Mitchell,

715
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: who ended up missing two games, which basically kills me

716
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 2: unless Haliburton somehow advances. And I have Kyrie, who's basically

717
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: done nothing in the last few games anyways, Speaking of

718
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: Kyrie's Saturday MAVs four point favorites against the OKC Thunder.

719
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 2: If you guys again this, if this game goes to

720
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 2: script the same as the Clippers, MAVs win Game five

721
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 2: big in La, come back to Dallas and or winning, winning, winning,

722
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: and then pull away in the fourth quarter with relative ease.

723
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it was like a one or

724
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 2: two point game at halftime, I think, and then slowly

725
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: pull away in the third and then you know it

726
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: is Kyrie Irving show late. I keep saying, you know

727
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: the Kyrie Irving game is coming. He is, mister close out?

728
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 2: What's the set?

729
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 4: Rob?

730
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: He's nine and oh or eleven and oh or something

731
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 2: like that in elimination games? Is that? Is that what

732
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: the phrasing is? Uh, he's thirteen and oh in close

733
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: out games, close out games, Okay, thirteen and oh. I

734
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: believe the MAVs get it done. And folks, I'm geeked.

735
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: I don't know if you are. I'm very excited for

736
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: mas Nuggets. I think that would be a phenomenal series.

737
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: But I know, Rob Waite, hold on, Rob, you're not

738
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: officially writing off okay, see are you?

739
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 4: Oh? You bet I am.

740
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 3: You bet I am, And you know I'm an Okse guy.

741
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 3: You know I love me some shake Gillach Alexander. You

742
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 3: know I already claimed chet Holmgren as my definitive tall, lanky,

743
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 3: skinny center over went. So that battle is not going

744
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 3: well for me right now, but I have long term

745
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 3: potential with my guy chet.

746
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 4: No.

747
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 3: I think that the Mavericks have just been the better

748
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 3: team this entire series, even without Luca playing well for

749
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 3: most of it and Kyrie, like you mentioned, be suddenly

750
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 3: becoming allergic to scoring for whatever reason, this Mavericks team

751
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 3: has been in control of each of the last two games,

752
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 3: or actually the last three games pretty handily. We're not

753
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 3: for a crazy meltdown there in uh what was that

754
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 3: Game four? This series would already be over. So give

755
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 3: me the MAVs. I don't worry about giving up the

756
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 3: four and a half points. I think Dallas is gonna roll.

757
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: By the way, do you think MAVs haven't any chance

758
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 2: against Denver? Assuming Denver I mean Minnesota. I hadn't even

759
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: really thought about that.

760
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 3: I think they would have a better chance against Minnesota

761
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 3: than they would against Denver. I don't think their front

762
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 3: line is built at all to deal with it.

763
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 2: Come on, don't do you gotta respect Derek Lively? Come on, bruh,

764
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 2: put some respect on his name. We know, okay, see

765
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 2: doesn't okay? See he needs a big guy. I like

766
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 2: to see it, Allen think. Also, did you see all

767
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 2: the wod stuff last night on Mitchell?

768
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 4: I did.

769
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 3: It was kind of while so that he was texting

770
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 3: him directly. You never get that kind of reporting in

771
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 3: today's climate.

772
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: Well, I think the Windhorse thing pissed off the Mitchell camp.

773
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 2: It was like the Nets and Lakers already have offers ready,

774
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 2: you know, and that Donovan Mitchell remember remember my favorite saying,

775
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 2: if you try to make everyone happy, you make nobody happy.

776
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: And I feel like Donovan Mitchell is stuck in this hole.

777
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 2: I know I want to leave, but I want to

778
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: do it the right way. Like, that's not going to

779
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: do it, bro, It's it's not. That's not possible. You

780
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 2: either stay or you leave. There's no like, well, I

781
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: want to leave, but I don't want to. I don't

782
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 2: want to tick off Cleveland. Is that your vibe? Do

783
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: you think he wants to stay?

784
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:45,439
Speaker 4: No?

785
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 2: I don't, and only because why would you come out.

786
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 2: I'm happy in Cleveland, Like, why would you even say

787
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 2: that season just ended?

788
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's been widely reported now basically since

789
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 3: he's gotten there, that he had no interest in going

790
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 3: to Cleveland at first, that was not on his list,

791
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 3: and that he would not sign the extension. It's funny

792
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 3: that you mentioned, you know, the trying to please everybody

793
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 3: end up pleasing nobody. As far as I can recall,

794
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 3: and I have to double check this, he never actually

795
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 3: requested a trade out of Utah either, Like, he never publicly,

796
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 3: at least that we know of, said hey, this is

797
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 3: not working, get me out of here. They could just

798
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 3: tell that he was not feeling it that you know,

799
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 3: they want to go in different directions, so they might

800
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 3: as well get rid of him, which they did. So

801
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 3: he was willing, at least, you know, publicly, to go

802
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 3: down with the ship there in Utah and be miserable

803
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 3: on his way out Ala Damian Lillard in Portland, like

804
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 3: it took every ounce of Dame to finally try to

805
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 3: force his hand and they ended up in freaking Milwaukee

806
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 3: of all places.

807
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 2: So maybe that's what he's worried about. Yeah, I don't know,

808
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 2: Jonavan Mitchell's going to be fascinating, and the Trey Young

809
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 2: stuff is also going to be There's a report from

810
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 2: Jake Fisher, your guy who's going been on the podcast

811
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 2: saying that the Spurs basically they're not interested in Trey Young. Now,

812
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's smokescreen or trying to lower

813
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: the value, but it's like, whoa, who do this? Purse won?

814
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 2: And I don't know this whole slow build idea. I

815
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 2: just hate it. Anyways, we've got long on a Friday.

816
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a fiery week next week, well more

817
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: of the weekend on the Horizon back on Monday. Talk

818
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: to you then,