1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: John, Thanks a bunch of We wanted to start off 2 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: with a player of yours with ties to the New 3 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: England region, pat Ricard. What have you seen in terms 4 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: of growth from him during his three seasons with the 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: Ravens and how has he handled the challenge of working 6 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: with all three units? Right? Great, great question. Thanks. Yeah, 7 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: he's one of one of my favorite players, just because 8 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: he worked so hard and everything he does. You know, 9 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: he came in from Maine and was an undrafted free 10 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: agent defensive tackle and we had been talked, We talked, 11 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: we're talking one day and kind of we were looking 12 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: for a fullback. We had lost Kyle Uschek in free 13 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: agency to the forty nine ers, and Kid mentioned he 14 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: played in high school and I kind of started thinking 15 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: about that My brother had had a big fullback like 16 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: day who played defensive line in San Francisco a few 17 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: years back, and maybe we'd give him a try. And 18 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: we put him in there and it was just kind 19 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: of natural for him. But I think his success the 20 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: fact that he just works so hard. You know, he's 21 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: in these double duties and meetings, he's double duties practice, 22 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: and he's been a real factor for us. He's made 23 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: a difference for us. John, I wanted to ask you. 24 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 1: You've been pretty open discussing your team's use of analytics 25 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: and helping you make decisions, and that's been a fascinating discussion. 26 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: But Bill Belichick here a couple of weeks ago, said 27 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: essentially that he uses analytics less than zero percent of 28 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: the time. So I wanted to ask you, do you 29 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: believe that A and B as a as a football coach. 30 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: How challenging has it been to adapt and adopt some 31 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: of those things that aren't helping you make decisions? Yeah? No, no, 32 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: I believe it. I mean I think it tends of 33 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: what we're talking about. You know, I think that coach 34 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: of Belichick, in his program under these built has been 35 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: very you know, out in front in terms of a 36 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: strategic decision making and using different forms of information. I mean, 37 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: you know, I don't think he probably I'm sure you've 38 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: got a two point chart and all that kind of stuff. 39 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: But I think you when you're a coach and when 40 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: you're in the heat of battle, you're not basing your 41 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: decision based on what some number tells you. I mean, 42 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: that's just it's just a piece of information that goes 43 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: into the in your game planning into how you're approaching 44 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: your opponent, into what kind of strategic tenor that you're 45 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: going to take into the game, and then you make 46 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: a decision based on what you think is specially for 47 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: the team. I mean the game you're talking about, the 48 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: Kansas City game, we felt like we needed to score 49 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: as many points as we could and minimize maximize the drives, 50 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: and minimize possessions. So that's just the way we played 51 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: at that game. And uh, you know, it wasn't anything 52 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: that we needed specific stats necessarily to. We saw it 53 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: on the tape. I mean, we knew what we were doing. 54 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: But but I think you take all the information that 55 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: you can get and you just kind of rolled up 56 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: into a decision that you make in the heat of 57 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,679 Speaker 1: battle based on your planning going in. I think Coach 58 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: Belichick has done that better than anybody in the National 59 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: Football League. So do you view the Patriots game as 60 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: a game like that too? Or you have to maximize 61 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: every opportunity you have? Maybe? Yeah, I think we have 62 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: to maximize every opportunity. I mean, how we'll play each 63 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: possession and things like that. You know, that's where we're 64 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: putting together, right now and we'll decide as we go forward. 65 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: But you definitely can't make all of mistakes against New England. 66 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: I think they're very efficient. They play winning football all 67 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: the time. That's their focus. It always has been extremely 68 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: well coached, very smart players, excellent players playing very well 69 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: and you know, you gotta make you gotta make the 70 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: most of every opportunity in a game like this, coach, 71 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: How tough is it to cut a known commodity like 72 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: Justin Bethel, one of the top special teams player for 73 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: what could be an unknown commodity in a fourth round pick? 74 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: Very tough, Very tough. I mean, that's that's a decision 75 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: that it was made, you know, And sometimes you make 76 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: decisions based on long term ramification. I think in the 77 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: short term, it's it's not something that helped us, you know, 78 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: it's it's it's a good player that we don't have anymore. Ironically, 79 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: he ends up there who we're playing next, and I think, 80 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: you know, that's just kind of just kind of the 81 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: way the way that the way that the Lord works sometimes. 82 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: But it wasn't good for us as far as a 83 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: short term football thing, John, would you would you like 84 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: Lamar to run less? How sustainable. Is that for a 85 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: quarterback to be running sometimes in the double digits per game. 86 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll find out. I guess, well, what 87 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: sort of strides has he made then as a passer 88 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: between last year and this year? Well, pretty obvious he's 89 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,559 Speaker 1: made big strides. You know, He's always had armed talent. 90 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: We uh, you know, we saw that when we when 91 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: we drafted him and studied him and all that. And 92 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: like any quarterback coming, you've got to refine all their 93 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: skill sets. And he's working very hard to refine every 94 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: aspect of his game, you know. And and so I 95 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: think he's improved a lot, and he continues to improve, 96 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: and he's only going to get better. Is there one 97 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: area of his game maybe where you've noticed a nice 98 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: jump in his second season? Not really. I think it's 99 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: across the board that the position's too complex. Is just 100 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: to boil down to one thing. I mean, you look 101 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: at a player like Tom Brady Michigan man, who you 102 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: know is doing it still at the stage he's become, 103 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: you know, efficient in every aspect of it. You and 104 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: that's that's what you have to do to play at 105 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: the kind of level that he's played at. John your 106 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: team has been more competitive or if not, than any 107 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: other team in the league against the Patriots over the years, 108 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: and I know you've lost three straight to them, but 109 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: but how would you explain just that level of competition 110 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: you've been able to maintain against him, specifically when a 111 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: few teams have been that consistent against the Patriots. Well, 112 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: I'm not really that happy with where we're at on that. 113 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously those have been disappointing losses when they happen, 114 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: and we felt like we could have done better in 115 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: those situations. So just try to do our best against 116 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: a very formidable team, and obviously that's a big challenge. Jim, 117 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: what do you remember just about how your connection with 118 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: Belichick first started sitting with him at the combine if 119 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: I recall back in maybe the early mid two thousands, right, Well, 120 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: you know, I remember the first time I met coach 121 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 1: was when I was coach at the University of Cincinnati 122 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: and we had a few players that were draft bull 123 00:05:58,200 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: that year, and he was the head coach of the Browns. 124 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: A matter of fact, our secondary coach, now Chris Hewett, 125 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: was in that class and he came down to scout 126 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: those guys and obviously working real hard at it like 127 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: he always does, and and we sat down and talked 128 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: about those players, and I was just blown away at 129 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: that time by how gracious he was and how thoroughly 130 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: was and all kind of stuff, and kind of started 131 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: really paying attention to him and what he does and 132 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: how he does it. Back then then as a second 133 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: as a special teams coach, and then even as a 134 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: secondary coach through Scott O'Brien, who is one of my mentors, 135 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: you know, Coach Belichick gave me the time a day, 136 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: you know a few times, and I was able to 137 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: ask him a few questions and as you said, sit 138 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: and chat with him here and there to combine different 139 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: things like that, and just man, just just h I 140 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 1: guess I just was amazed by how humble he was 141 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 1: and how willing he was to you know, spend some 142 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: time with just a young coach, you know, then even 143 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: as a head coach, you know, even though that we 144 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: were playing in big games against one another, he was 145 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: nothing but gracious to me personally, and and you know, 146 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: competitive obviously is can be, but just gracious and type 147 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: of you know relationship. I definitely cherished and have great 148 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: respect for him if you're not, if you're a head coach, 149 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: are you're any kind of a coach in this league 150 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: and you're not watching what what Bill Belichick is doing 151 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: with his football team every single week, even throughout the offseason, 152 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: I think you're making a big mistake. Final John, Jimmy 153 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: Collins has been very productive as a pass rusher despite 154 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: some limited opportunities there or limited reps. Does that almost 155 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: make him more dangerous that you don't know when he's coming? Sure? 156 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: I mean to me, it's one of the strengths of 157 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: their defense. They you don't know who's doing what, they're 158 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: changing it up within the scheme. I think they play 159 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: a very solid sound, almost a throwback type of a defense, 160 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: very physical, fundamentally solid in every single way, well coached, 161 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: smart guys. So then they mix it up. You know 162 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: who's dropping, who's coming, who's containing, what covers are going 163 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: to be in. They're gonna blitz everybody or or drop eight. 164 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: You just you just never can be sure. John, if 165 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: I could sneak one more in, I'm sorry. Do you 166 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: have any memories of working with John Simon back in 167 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen? Oh? Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, that was I mean, 168 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: just a lot of respect for John. He was a 169 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: guy that I just personally loved. I thought he had 170 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: a real knack to get to the quarterback and play 171 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: the run. And just nobody, you know, wanted to be 172 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: a good football player more than John and to see him, 173 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: you know, the success he's had there is uh it was. 174 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: It just a testament to the game really, but a 175 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: lot of respect for him. I wish we would have 176 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: been able to keep him. I wish we had kept him. 177 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: He's done a great job. John. If I could please 178 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: just ask you one more, um, what do you think 179 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: of the Patriots Ravens rivalry? I mean, that game in 180 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: that playoff game in twenty fifteen was probably one of 181 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 1: the most incredible games that the NFL has seen in 182 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: a long time. Now that some time has passed, it's 183 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: been almost five years. What are your memories or perspectives 184 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: from that game, and like, how do you feel about 185 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: it now? You know, yeah, no, I just I wish 186 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: we'd have won, you know, that was That's the biggest 187 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: feeling I have. I've always you know, you're appreciative to 188 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: be in those kind of games. All those games against 189 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: New England have been have been those kind of games. Really, 190 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: they've just been just awesome games. I mean, even the 191 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: ones that weren't quite as close one way or the other, 192 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: they still we're just amazingly hard fought games. So you know, 193 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: those are the kind of things that you always appreciate. 194 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: But really the focus is now, I don't think too 195 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: much about that right now. Kind of got too much. 196 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: We've got too much on our play thinking about the 197 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: next one right now. Sure, Thanks coach, Thanks as John, 198 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: all right, thanks a lot