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Speaker 1: The Around the Name Podcast would follow Mike Tomlin anywhere

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Speaker 1: starts Now, welcome back to another edition of the Around

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Speaker 1: the League Podcast. My name is Dan hansis joined by

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Speaker 1: a room full of heroes, Chris Westling, Mark Sessler, and

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Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal. What's up, boys? What's up? Got the new intro? Yes,

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Speaker 1: that was good. I like that one. Well, we've already

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Speaker 1: established that I will follow Mike Tomlin anywhere. Yes, any bar,

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Speaker 1: any seen, any sewer I'm behind and we don't want

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Speaker 1: to give it away, but you know there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: more surprises. This is a general idea of the intro.

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Speaker 1: So let us know. You know what you think at

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Speaker 1: an NFL A t L the Twitter account, I know

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Speaker 1: Crystal is so happy right now. If I had thrown

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Speaker 1: We're not organized enough. I don't think. Well, this has

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Speaker 1: been a crash course for Crystal, who seems to be

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Speaker 1: very organized, and she's trying to the soldiers. But the soldiers,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're a little rag tag. So Crystal, I

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Speaker 1: apologize that the past week sometimes not everything goes to plan, right,

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Speaker 1: That's right. But at the end of this season, you

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Speaker 1: guys will all be speaking in hashtag Yeah. I have

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Speaker 1: a sense that Crystal is Yeah, she's not gonna sit

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Speaker 1: with our style for long. She's whipping us into secret

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Speaker 1: are changing. It's kind of like a Lumberg from office

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Speaker 1: spaces happen. Alright, great, no, we appreciate it Crystal because

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Speaker 1: we need to run her. But alright, so third, it

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Speaker 1: is now Friday, Thursday night. We had four games, um,

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Speaker 1: so let's just get right into the right into a

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Speaker 1: breakdown of those. Greg, you wrote up the piece with

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Speaker 1: the help of Chris and I breaking down what we learned,

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Speaker 1: um eighteen facts. But why didn't you jump get us started? Greg?

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Speaker 1: What was the big takeaway on Thursday night? I couldn't

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Speaker 1: help but think about our friend Mark here and the

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns, uh, just because it's like they can't have

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Speaker 1: nice things. It's like, right when Brandon weed And is

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Speaker 1: or I was talking kind of tugging cheek there that

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Speaker 1: and that, to me kind of was the story of

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Speaker 1: the night, the Browns injuries along with Weed and Mark.

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Speaker 1: What what was your reaction watching at home? You're the

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Speaker 1: only one that had the night off from work. Wow,

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Speaker 1: I was actually watching the game closely and uh, you know, listen,

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Speaker 1: were tweeting at me, saying, oh, Mark Sessler must be

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Speaker 1: so excited about Brandon Weed and what's happening in Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: It's like, honestly, it's all it's the middle of August.

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Speaker 1: Let's keep our expectations in check. And yeah, by the

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Speaker 1: end of the night, a laundry list of injuries essentially

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Speaker 1: dark First of all, I can attest to the darkness

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Speaker 1: and the deadness within you, several of us. But what

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Speaker 1: I wanted to say was Mark sent me an instant

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Speaker 1: more because again, Mark was, you know, in his little

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Speaker 1: And I just think there's something, um cosmically hilarious that

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Speaker 1: Hilarious maybe not the word, especially for the franchise, but

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Speaker 1: next season, Mark, I feel like we're ganging up on you.

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Speaker 1: But there were a lot of exciting things. First of all,

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Speaker 1: The core differences. Pat Schirmer was coaching an offense last

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Speaker 1: at how well Michael Vick played. And I've heard a

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Speaker 1: guy like let's say Jay Cutler, who probably would be

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Speaker 1: middle middle of the pack. While first of all, I

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Speaker 1: will say that while it's a fascile sort of comparison

427
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Speaker 1: year to year, though, would we have said anything different

428
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Speaker 1: about what the way you just described Dandy Dalton? What

429
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:05,360
Speaker 1: would be What would anybody have said about Joe Flacco

430
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 1: already and he has a big arm, get I get that.

431
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Speaker 1: But and that's a valid point. But what you said specifically,

432
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Speaker 1: this is completely anecdotal. I know this is one time,

433
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 1: but when the season was on the line for the

434
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Speaker 1: Bengals in the final seconds in hines Field against a

435
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 1: good statistically it wasn't just a big game he and

436
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Speaker 1: I know I know he was, I absolutely know he

437
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 1: was lousy for the bulk of that game. But with

438
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Speaker 1: twenty seconds left on the clock and potentially even in

439
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: the season, he threw a strike on a tough I

440
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 1: mean a tough throw to the Sideline's talking into the playoffs. Alright, alright,

441
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,880
Speaker 1: could be a good comp I like, we gotta keep

442
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Speaker 1: moving here, all right, let's move on now. Uh Brown's

443
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,400
Speaker 1: he talked about them at the top of the show.

444
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Speaker 1: But I will now pose a question and we'll tie

445
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Speaker 1: back into Weeden because I liked in the news room

446
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: West and Mark are getting a little catty with each

447
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 1: other while I was trying to bang out content about Weed.

448
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Speaker 1: And I am going to say that this do since

449
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 1: I have now hopped on the bandwagon. I'm saying thirty

450
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Speaker 1: one touchdowns and ninety two rating yards? Am I crazy

451
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Speaker 1: to think that Brandon Weeden could become a top tier

452
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Speaker 1: not top tier, mid to top tier quarterback? Are you making?

453
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you're beans. Are Cathtic lives in

454
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Speaker 1: a world where there's only twenty quarterbacks for Andy Dalton's

455
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Speaker 1: rank and there's only four yards? I mean, suddenly Brandon

456
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Speaker 1: Weeden would be Tom Brady. Then I listened. I listened

457
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Speaker 1: to our podcast where we did the records predictions, and

458
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: I thought everybody was playing a little safe. I'm going

459
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Speaker 1: to be the guy that goes out and says weed

460
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Speaker 1: and steps up becomes a big playmaking quarterback. But am

461
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Speaker 1: I crazy? Sounds like I am? Yeah, I I just listen.

462
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: I think the problem with Cleveland is that something happens

463
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Speaker 1: to that team every season where by week four or five,

464
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: I've the roster has been absolutely plagued with injuries. Were

465
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 1: already seeing it and there's just not enough depth around him.

466
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,360
Speaker 1: I slightly these other teams, like the Ravens, they can

467
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Speaker 1: lose a bunch of players and still survived the season.

468
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Speaker 1: They did it last year. They lost Suggs, they lost

469
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Speaker 1: ray Lewis for a stretch, they found their way out

470
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Speaker 1: of that. Cleveland hasn't learned to do that. And I

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Speaker 1: just don't see weed And as a guy that can

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Speaker 1: command that kind of, you know, leadership from week to week.

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Speaker 1: Here's the problem with Brandon Wheat. He's the fourth oldest

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Speaker 1: guy on the roster and he's he shouldn't be in

475
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: a condition in his NFL career where he's still developing.

476
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 1: He was inaccurate last year at six ft four he

477
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: led the NFL and batted passes and he showed poor

478
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Speaker 1: pocket presence. How am I supposed to believe that a

479
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: guy who's thirty years old is gonna get better? Is

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00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: North Turner? I think the quarterback whisper? But why is

481
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Speaker 1: norv Turner the reason his absence, the reason that Philip

482
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 1: rivers a race last night is going to improve and

483
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: have a revival. But then North Turner in Cleveland, his

484
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: presence there is the reason that Weeden's gonna grow. I

485
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: mean that doesn't make complete sayes it does because the

486
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: offensive line was such rubbish in San Diego. North Turner

487
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: requires that his QB hold the ball for an extra

488
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: half second when the offensive line is atrocious, especially with

489
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Speaker 1: that weird oh throwing motion and diminished arm strength. For

490
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Speaker 1: Phil Rivers, I don't care what anybody there says. He

491
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Speaker 1: obviously ain't spending it the way he was in the

492
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Speaker 1: first five to seven years of his career. Now you got,

493
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Speaker 1: I think this place obviously right in the Weeden's hands

494
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: is a guy who can push it downfield. I would

495
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 1: like in him too. I mean, big play QB. Yes,

496
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: you know he'll be like j Schrader. I know that's

497
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: not a compliment, but I bet you you we'll see

498
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: plenty of highlights over the course of the season of

499
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Speaker 1: him hitting Gordon for for a big one. The problem

500
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Speaker 1: is he'll throw some picks as well. I think you

501
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 1: nailed at those, Sessler. Why the cond Why why this

502
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 1: weird controversy? Why would why is it anybody's anybody actually

503
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,959
Speaker 1: looking at Jason Taylor. It's because the franchise, the coaching

504
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: staff and beyond. I don't want to own weed. That's

505
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: West that actually to hang a banner from their team

506
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: headquarters saying both Campbell and Weedon are eminently available for

507
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: draft picks right now. Well, our firmer colleague was on record,

508
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 1: and that's the general manager of the team of what

509
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: he thought about Brandon Weeden. I mean, and they've tried

510
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 1: to kind of back away from those comments. But Michael,

511
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 1: I mean, he said what he said. It was a

512
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 1: lousy draft pick. The offense fits him though, right it does.

513
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: It does, And actually, I mean it's really Weedon's opportunity

514
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 1: to change minds. I think that you know, you go

515
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: back a month ago, everyone that's visited this team over

516
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: training camp says Cleveland's not sold on weed and they

517
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: don't believe he's the guy. They're already looking at the

518
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Speaker 1: draft next season. If we didn't continues to play and grow, Yeah,

519
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 1: you know they're going to adapt to that. But right

520
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: now the thinking, I don't think in Cleveland this is

521
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Speaker 1: our guy for the long haul. You guys just wait,

522
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 1: just get ready for the big season. By the way,

523
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: and by the way, on defense, the individual pieces again,

524
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: it's all about these days. It seems to me that

525
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 1: the idea of the notion of a shutdown defense that

526
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: holds the other team to ten points or forewer is

527
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: you know, out the window. Largely, they have at least playmakers.

528
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: What you want are guys that can take it away

529
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 1: a little bit, and that's exactly what they have all

530
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: over the field. Now, they could be very good on defense,

531
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,719
Speaker 1: and Ray Horton was a huge addition. I mean, they

532
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: could be right there with everyone else in this division

533
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Speaker 1: on defense. Okay, let's move on to the defending Super

534
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: Bowl champions, Baltimore Ravens. All Right, when I look at

535
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: the Ravens, the question, you know, I guess we're a

536
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: little quarterback heavy. But I look at what Flacco did

537
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: from basically the start of the playoffs through the Super Bowl.

538
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: He erased everyone's negative feelings about him. For that month,

539
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: he was supreme. But now we're at the start of

540
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 1: a new season, and as Flacco goes, the Ravens go

541
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Speaker 1: to something great. I think that defense is arguably better

542
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: than they were last year. Younger, we'll Flacca at the

543
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: end of the season. What will we think about him?

544
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: Will we think he was the guy we thought he

545
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: was before the playoffs lash year? Or does he grow

546
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: from where he was. I think Greg made the great

547
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: point when Pitta got injured originally, which is this is

548
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: a guy who you know, showing that he could carry

549
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: a team in the playoffs, that has shown flashes of

550
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: being the guy. But now for them really to be

551
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 1: real contenders, he needs to carry this team. He needs

552
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: to show he could do. That four game run he

553
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: had was as electric as any quarterback is gonna play.

554
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: I mean, remember we were there sitting at the Super Bowl.

555
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: You could not have played a better half of football

556
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 1: then Joe Flacco did in that first half. I mean,

557
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 1: he was incredible. I I tend to think he's gonna

558
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: be kind of like Eli Manning after he won the

559
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, especially the second time, and carry it over

560
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: and and be better. Uh. It might not show up

561
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: in with great, great statistics, but I think he's ready

562
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: to be better over the course of the season. You

563
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: can extend that stretch longer than four games. He was

564
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: I think had a one oh six one oh seven

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00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: passer rating and a fifteen to one in touchdown interception

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Speaker 1: ratio from the time Cam Cameron was replaced by Caldwell,

567
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: and I agree with you. He does remind me a

568
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: little bit of Eli Manning. I think he's he can

569
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Speaker 1: be even better than Eli Manning, but I expect him.

570
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously he's gonna struggle a little bit early

571
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: in the season without Pitta and Bolden were his two

572
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: best possession receivers last year. He's gonna struggle without a

573
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: go to receiver. But I expect him to keep getting

574
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: better and to kind of stabilize and keep at this

575
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: top ten quarterback level. I think he's in with the

576
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: way we regard him statistically fantasy and otherwise. I guess

577
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: that's a good gauge as how he finishes in fantasy numbers,

578
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: but in you know, in terms of practical wins and

579
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: loss as a fantasy guy. Now, well, listen, there's a

580
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: way to gauge them. But by the way, under Fabriano,

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Speaker 1: here's what I'll say to you, Rosenthal. I agree. It's

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Speaker 1: funny when when you start throwing out, or anybody throws out,

583
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Speaker 1: like is this guy a top top ten QB or whatever,

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00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: everybody always just sort of excused to like, yes he is,

585
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: he's in the top ten. Well, yeah, that's easy to

586
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: say in a vacuum. But let's list them out and

587
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 1: actually see if he finishes in your opt in. Once

588
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: you actually put the names down in front of you

589
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: on a piece of paper, then they tend to fall out.

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00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: I think he's not in the top ten qbs one

591
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: and two. I feel like as great as he was

592
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: in the month of January, um and Kuan Bolden made

593
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: I've said this a million times before, and now I

594
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: shall say it for the million and first, he made

595
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: so many strong catches, physical catches in traffic that UM

596
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Speaker 1: that made Flacco look good to some degree and made

597
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: the difference in and not just the Super Bowl, but

598
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Speaker 1: but specifically the Super Bowl and beyond that Dennis Pitt.

599
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: I mean, look in terms of just raw numbers Pitta

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Speaker 1: and bold and how many of the touchdown passes that

601
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: he threw in the postseason were caught by those two guys.

602
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: They're not there now. Tory Smith is very good obviously

603
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: the speed and everything else. Can he catch the ball consistently?

604
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: He hasn't shown an ability to do that. I I

605
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: feel like he is. Joe Flacco is a fine QB.

606
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: I will say he's certainly in the top half of

607
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks in the league. But I don't think he's sorry.

608
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: I know everybody loves the adjective elite. I don't put

609
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: him into that category, even though I'm not exactly sure

610
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: what it means. Okay, so let's now go around and

611
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: uh pick the records for the a f C North. Okay,

612
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: we will start with Mark Cesler. All right, I go

613
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: uh Pittsburgh to win this division. It's like you, we

614
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: were just deciding that as you were saying it. I

615
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,479
Speaker 1: was eleven and five with a rebound year. They do

616
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: this whenever they have a bad year, they come back

617
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: and they the Steelers don't slum for long. Eleven and five,

618
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: Baltimore ten and six, Bengals nine and seven, Browns four

619
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Speaker 1: and twelve. Jeez, alright, West, I also have the Steelers

620
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: win in the division at the same record eleven and five,

621
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: Bengals ten and six, tied with the Ravens for ten

622
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: and six. All three teams make the playoffs. M and

623
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: Brown's bringing up the rear at four and twelve. No

624
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: love for the Brown I felt like Mark was just

625
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: being harsh on himself because it's his team setting the

626
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: bar low. But someone's got to lose those games. If

627
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: you got the top heavy, Greg, let's see you, I

628
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: thought I was being cool, you know, coming up with

629
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Speaker 1: the Steelers winning the division. Now we all have the

630
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: Steelers winning the division. The Steelers are apparently the favorites,

631
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: damnit check of the division. I got him at eleven

632
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: and five, Ravens at ten and six, Bengals at nine

633
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: and seven not in the playoffs, and the Browns with

634
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,959
Speaker 1: five wins eleven losses. Okay, I have the Bengals at

635
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: eleven and five winning the division. I got the Browns

636
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: going nine and seven, taking that number six seed in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, led by Brandon Weeden's all pro season. I

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Speaker 1: feel like you just jumped on the like yesterday it

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Speaker 1: was a bum Now that's one preseason game was heading

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Speaker 1: in that direction and then he got me yesterday. Ravens

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Speaker 1: also nine and seven, and the Pittsburgh Steelers seven and nine. Check.

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Speaker 1: We did not give you time to plan this. But

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Speaker 1: do you want to take a crack at what do

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Speaker 1: you think the record? I gave him? My heads, I

645
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Speaker 1: say this, the Bengals go twelve and four, they win

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Speaker 1: the division. Like I say, you talk. Sessler laments the

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Speaker 1: previous two post seasons with Texans and Bengals. Get ready

648
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Speaker 1: Football America because that's your AFC title game this year.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I'm contemplating going with and this was in

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Speaker 1: final but I am contemplating going with the Bengals against

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Speaker 1: the Falcons in the Super Bowl. And that would be

652
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Speaker 1: a nightmare for for marketing reasons, for for for the

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Speaker 1: network and and beyond. That would be would not be

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Speaker 1: excited the NFL. Alton shob That's exactly right. Cessler and

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Speaker 1: I were talking about it yesterday too, that the that

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Speaker 1: the NFL has gotten. You know, improbably lucky over the

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Speaker 1: last decade. You know, there was the run in what

658
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Speaker 1: was it like the late eighties early nineties where no

659
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl was ever closed. It just seems like there

660
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Speaker 1: was a decade of blowouts through But lately they've been

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Speaker 1: almost all good games, compelling, uh, Final four and everything else.

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Speaker 1: This year is the year where it catches up in

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Speaker 1: the biggest media market in the world. I think this

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Speaker 1: is where it catches up. It's like, whoever survives the

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Speaker 1: Shop Dalton Showdown gets uh, the the impossibly charismatic Matt

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Speaker 1: Ryan and company in the Super Bowl. Now there will

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Speaker 1: be a blizzard as well, probably, Yeah, right, twelve and

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Speaker 1: four for the Bengals, they win it. I will say

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Speaker 1: for the Ravens, I think they slide back a little

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Speaker 1: bit to nine and seven, which really shouldn't stunt anybody

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Speaker 1: or or because really they were very close to not

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Speaker 1: making the playoffs. You know, what was it? The Ray

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Speaker 1: Rice play fourth in. In fact, he only got fourth in.

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Speaker 1: But that's that's fair. And and also let's not forget

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Speaker 1: that Jacoby Jones one them more than one game with

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Speaker 1: kick returns. I know accounts, but it's not something you

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Speaker 1: can plot going into a game. Well, we can probably

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Speaker 1: rely on six out of out of our kicks. The

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Speaker 1: Jacoby Jones introduced their preseason game last night by dancing

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Speaker 1: before the game like Lewis. So, when you're replacing Dancing

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Speaker 1: with the Stars, fourth runner up or whatever, I think

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Speaker 1: you have to be unusually good to about to come

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Speaker 1: back from and nfl am Hall of Famer soon and

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Speaker 1: Jacoby Jones first ballot. I think it's unlikely that. I

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Speaker 1: think it's unlikely that well, first Jacoby Jones. The most

686
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Speaker 1: troubling thing to hear if you're a Ravens fan is

687
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Speaker 1: he's now their number two wide receiver. That's that's bad news.

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Speaker 1: And um so yeah, so I think so I think

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Speaker 1: they fall back a little bit, let's say nine and seven,

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Speaker 1: because I do agree with Cessler that probably the defense

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Speaker 1: is a little bit better. But I think it's hard

692
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Speaker 1: to come back from a Super Bowl win. The hangover

693
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Speaker 1: that we always hear about, I think there's some merit

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Speaker 1: to that. I don't think they're that special a group

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Speaker 1: of player come back, all right, the Steeler crystal behind

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Speaker 1: the glass having a panic. Stealers will go just what

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Speaker 1: they did last year. Now you know what, I'll bump

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Speaker 1: them up eight and eight. But one caveat. I know

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Speaker 1: you're you want to go, but let me just say

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Speaker 1: Trent Dilford for a name drop, who really understands the

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Speaker 1: X and oh of course I've been saying this since

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Speaker 1: last season that with that, with the Autobahn in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the field and it's a passing league and

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Speaker 1: everything else, I have a hunch that maybe it's as

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Speaker 1: simple as Dan Rooney wanted it to be. In the

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Speaker 1: Rooney family likes old school that Yinzer's in Pittsburgh, like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you get back to running the ball like Franco and

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Speaker 1: like j was was doing this thing that I think

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Speaker 1: that they are positioned to do that there because defenses

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Speaker 1: are going to be that, the safeties are gonna be deeper,

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Speaker 1: and so on. There's an opportunity to run the ball.

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Speaker 1: If Levyan Bell is terrific and David de Castro turns

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Speaker 1: it on the way expected, that line is young and

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Speaker 1: potentially dominant, maybe they will turn to the philosophy. Back

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Speaker 1: Trent Dilford predicted as much. That said, I don't like

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Speaker 1: some of their pieces on defense. Their their secondary is old,

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Speaker 1: old and old and gets hurt a lot and so on.

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Speaker 1: So and then the Browns I think are better than

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Speaker 1: probably you guys think. I'm gonna say for them six

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Speaker 1: and ten, seven and nine ish, you know, with some

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Speaker 1: with some promising signs going into So three of us

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Speaker 1: have the Steelers winning the division too, not even over

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Speaker 1: five hundred. I have the Bengals winning. Two of us

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Speaker 1: have the bean. That's the kind of division it is. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you're sleeping on Marcus Wheat and check. I like what

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Speaker 1: I saw. I just don't trusting rookies, you know. I

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Speaker 1: don't know is that's gonna make the difference. Why what

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Speaker 1: have you seen in two preseason games or one preseason

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Speaker 1: game that leave you enough confidence? Dynamic playmaking ability. All right,

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Speaker 1: I hope you're right. Believe me. I hope to be wrong.

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Speaker 1: I hope you can throw this in my face in

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Speaker 1: New York City or slash in New York City and

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Speaker 1: check if you would be UM, so kind, will you

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Speaker 1: sit in with us for our segment, the metrics Matrix

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Speaker 1: where we try to guess are you I mean, he's in,

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Speaker 1: He's in. We're gonna try to guess. Greg our editor

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Speaker 1: in chief, is going to give us four choices, three choices,

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Speaker 1: excuse me, three choices for stories that we have posted

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Speaker 1: on around the league. It will be our job as

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Speaker 1: a group to pick which one did the best in

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Speaker 1: terms of page views? Is that how we do it?

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Speaker 1: Unique visitors or I guess it's page views? Yeah? When

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Speaker 1: I tell you this is fun, I mean for you guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I don't know what unique visitors is. I just

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Speaker 1: threw that out there, but um, okay, so well, I'll

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Speaker 1: throw in a fourth and this is America's Uh. They

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Speaker 1: love it. This is their favorite running segment we have

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Speaker 1: so far. We love the response. Let's start off with stretch.

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Speaker 1: But alright, what's the only segment Carrie Williams back on

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Speaker 1: the list, for a second straight week, says the Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: Eagles defense is sopped. That's that's number option number one.

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Speaker 1: I will throw in a fourth option. Why not? Number

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Speaker 1: two on the list is Geno Smith had a brutal

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Speaker 1: practice according the Rex Ryan, that's option number two. By

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Speaker 1: the way, those sound effects you're hearing in the background,

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Speaker 1: worked on that with Crystal this morning. So congratulations for

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Speaker 1: your segment. Just got a little more exciting. Great job,

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Congratulations to you for all the self congratulations.

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Speaker 1: Um Deverie Henderson cut by the New Orleans Saints is

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Speaker 1: option cut by the Redskins. Cut by the Redskins. Of course,

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Speaker 1: I uh was opining he might join the Saints. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Deverie Henderson cut by the Redskins his option number three

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Speaker 1: and an option number four. Robert meetchem body has broken down.

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Speaker 1: San Diego Chargers wide receiver Robert Meetchum's body has broken down.

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Speaker 1: Which and they all I asked, was that was that

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Speaker 1: last one? That was the one you just threw in.

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Speaker 1: If I gave that away, it would kind of give

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Speaker 1: away everything. Lesser strategies would would would have shared that information.

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Speaker 1: I would have had a right to. We've got two

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Speaker 1: former New Orleans Saints wide receivers featured. But to review,

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Speaker 1: Carrie Williams says the Eagles are soft. That's number one.

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Speaker 1: Gino had a brutal practice according to Rex uh Deverie Henderson,

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Speaker 1: cut by Mike Shanahan and the Redskins. Or Robert Meetchum's

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Speaker 1: body has broken down. That's option number four. Let's go

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Speaker 1: around the room here, Dan, this is a good one.

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Speaker 1: I know the Saints fan base, they're very um, They're

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Speaker 1: very fervent, so I think they could be it. But

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Speaker 1: I don't think either of those stories were big enough

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Speaker 1: that it would be either of those. Let's say Geno

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Speaker 1: Smith brutal pretty good, but I will go Dan always

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Speaker 1: picks a post that he wrote, I will go with

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Speaker 1: Carrie Williams saying the Eagles were soft. All right, that's

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Speaker 1: Dan West. Well, I've already conceded. Did this game is

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Speaker 1: way too widely for me. I can't figure it out.

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Speaker 1: I do know, however, just a few months into my

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Speaker 1: career with NFL, that the media cares much more about

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Speaker 1: what's going on with the Jets than fans do. So

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Speaker 1: it can't be Geno Smith brutal um job. I'm going

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Speaker 1: with even though you appeared to try to slip us

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Speaker 1: up by throwing this in at the end. I'm going

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Speaker 1: with Robert Meachon's body is broken. Alright, West goes with Meetzschem.

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Speaker 1: I'm going with hands us on this. Carrie Williams. Carrie Williams,

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Speaker 1: who got people wrong last week, tripped chripped up a

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Speaker 1: couple of people. I like to make the same mistake twice.

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Speaker 1: And damn, I I agree that it is the Eagles.

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Speaker 1: I think this is based on I with this game

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Speaker 1: each week. I would just play to which fan bases

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Speaker 1: seemed to respond to the most stuff. Philadelphia Eagles fans

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Speaker 1: obviously jump in on that stuff. And you're mixing in

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Speaker 1: the world champion Ravens and there and there, uh zealous

801
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 1: fan base. That combo puts that over the top. All right, well, Mark,

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Speaker 1: Dan and damask all answered Carrie Williams, and you are

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Speaker 1: all wrong for a second straight week. Williams, Oh was it? Well? Whatever? Alright?

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Speaker 1: And uh Chris Wesley and meet them and you are

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Speaker 1: absolutely correct. What do I get. I'm gonna drinking on

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Speaker 1: the moonshine early today. Wow, all right, we need yeah,

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Speaker 1: we need to start tracking these and we'll have. Maybe

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Speaker 1: the winner gets surprised of some kind. We are we're

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Speaker 1: out of time check. Thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: What a pleasure, What a pleasure I had to It's

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Speaker 1: a terrific podcast that I've already, Uh, I've already. It's

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Speaker 1: already become a regular part of my rotation in the

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Speaker 1: podcasting anything you want to plug on your end. Well,

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Speaker 1: the tailor kibbits with him Swagger as you know him

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Speaker 1: from Monday Night Football when he says name. Uh, he

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Speaker 1: was delightful. We talked about whether or not eat every

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Speaker 1: dat a woman named Tina. That was one of the questions,

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Speaker 1: and then we got into uh, you know, some steel

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Speaker 1: or centric conversation. Otherwise, good stuff out of number twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Then for that early next week. All right, so we'll

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Speaker 1: be back on Monday. We'll do the a f C

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Speaker 1: South preview and hopefully you will join us. Then thank

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Speaker 1: you for listening. Do you know what that term means, Crystal,

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Speaker 1: because I just learned it from West. I mean I can.

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Speaker 1: I've never heard it really before, but I can put

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Speaker 1: it together. When you don't have an undershirt one, it's

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Speaker 1: just a guy just like yeah, oh I thought it

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Speaker 1: was like a specific brand of like man boom. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're not like that big. They're just kind of you

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Speaker 1: don't have. They're just kind of don't We just kind

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Speaker 1: of stick out a little bit and then hang three

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Speaker 1: are three