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Speaker 1: The volume What is going on Everybody? John Middlecoff Three

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Speaker 1: show today when the trade deadline ended at two o'clock

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Speaker 1: Mountain time. Because I'm Scott Sales Pacific standard time for

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Speaker 1: just transition into Mountain time. So at two o'clock Mountain time,

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Speaker 1: I did a live reaction on YouTube to what just happened.

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Speaker 1: Obviously the Jets blowing it up, the Colts trading a

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Speaker 1: lot for Sauce Gardner, the Cowboys out of nowhere, landing

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Speaker 1: Quinn Williams, the stud defensive tackle. Even John Schneider threw

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Speaker 1: his hat in the ring, adding a good deep threat

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Speaker 1: from the New Orleans Saints. So I'll give some initial

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Speaker 1: thoughts reaction to the trade deadline, which was pretty fascinating,

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Speaker 1: which I'm all for. I also did a little research

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Speaker 1: even start? Big picture, the trade deadline has become more interesting.

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Speaker 1: Schefter tweeted out about thirty minutes before it ended that

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Speaker 1: there had been seven or six trades today, which had

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Speaker 1: tied one of the all time days for the trade deadline.

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Speaker 1: Turns out it was seven. And if you look over

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Speaker 1: the lap, which is a lot for the trade deadline,

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Speaker 1: the rec is ten in twenty two. There were eight

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Speaker 1: trades in twenty four. We have a lot more younger,

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Speaker 1: aggressive gms. The league's making a ton of money, owners

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Speaker 1: are willing, coaches are on board. We have much more activity.

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Speaker 1: Where football never paralleled Basketball and baseball when it came

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Speaker 1: to trades in season because it was much harder, right

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Speaker 1: scheme coaching, huge learning of playbook. You couldn't just put

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Speaker 1: the guy at third base or tell the guy to

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Speaker 1: stand in the corner and hit threes. Football is a

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Speaker 1: little more complicated that way, and I think maybe it's

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Speaker 1: just people are running similar schemes, but I do think

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Speaker 1: it gets back to the gms being really aggressive and

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Speaker 1: that doesn't even the seven trades today doesn't even count.

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Speaker 1: Howie Roseman made a trade yesterday. He made two the

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Speaker 1: previous week, the Rams made a trade. The previous week,

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Speaker 1: and that no longer is the case, and honestly, the

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Speaker 1: miss on all these other players, we'll get contract extensions.

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Speaker 1: And you can be like, oh, the Jets have three

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Speaker 1: In his quarterback situation in New Orleans has kind of

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Speaker 1: been a disaster. You know, it was Derek Carr and

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Speaker 1: then last year is a bunch of different guys and

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Speaker 1: now Spence Rattler and Shuck and it's like what is

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Speaker 1: going on? And this year he has forty four catches

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Speaker 1: in five hundred yards through nine games, Like he's on

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Speaker 1: pace obviously to have a career year, but like a

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Speaker 1: legitimate high end year. I mean, you're talking about a

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Speaker 1: guy probably between eighty and ninety catches, a thousand yard

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Speaker 1: yards and multiple touchdowns. But once you got rid of

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Speaker 1: dk Metcalf, which clearly was the right move. You do

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Speaker 1: take away speed from your offense, so you have these

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Speaker 1: tight ends that can work in the middle of the field.

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00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: Jasn could do a little bit of everything. You at

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Speaker 1: your heat on the outside that gives them explosive playmaker. Well,

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Speaker 1: what does Sam Darnold like to do. He likes to

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Speaker 1: let that thing fly. I mean, look at last year

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Speaker 1: with Jefferson and Jordan Addison and Naylor. They were throwing bombs.

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Speaker 1: So you add a more explosive threat, you know, you get.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they haven't played the Rams yet, have they?

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Speaker 1: And they still play the forty nine ers again, like

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Speaker 1: they are in very very good position to uh. I'm

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Speaker 1: pulling out their schedule right now to make a legit run.

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Speaker 1: They play the Cardinals this week. I like Seattle, so

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, if Seattle wins this week, they're

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Speaker 1: seven and two and then they play They still got

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Speaker 1: the Rams multiple times, they got the forty nine ers,

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Speaker 1: but they got some, you know, very winnable games, the Panthers,

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Speaker 1: the Falcons, the Titans. So I think they go worst case,

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Speaker 1: if we don't make this deal, we're we're a ten

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Speaker 1: win team. We're going to be a wild card playoff team.

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Speaker 1: Can we win thirteen? Can we win the division? And

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Speaker 1: I think the answer is one hundred percent, yes you can.

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Speaker 1: And this move their team's already good. I think this

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Speaker 1: is just a classic, like this is a good trade, right,

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Speaker 1: You're not giving a second day pick up for a player,

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Speaker 1: but you're getting a guy for a fourth and fifth

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Speaker 1: who could probably over the next eight games. I don't know, realistically,

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Speaker 1: give you thirty five to forty catches and three or

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Speaker 1: four touchdowns, you know, for a fourth and a fifth

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Speaker 1: round pick when you already have the infrastructure of guys

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Speaker 1: on the roster. So obviously, Indy Dallas and the Jets

468
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Speaker 1: are going to take all the headlines. I think this

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Speaker 1: was that's GM work. That's that's why John s Nyder

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Speaker 1: is one of the best in the business. Because Seattle

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Speaker 1: is a team I dabbled on this one five to

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Speaker 1: one to win the NFC to start the year. They

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Speaker 1: still have longer odds in the Niners and the Rams,

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Speaker 1: which to me is a little crazy. But I like

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Speaker 1: Seattle a lot now. I think this this this win

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Speaker 1: is gonna kind of pay dividends. Other than that, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think you know, AJ Brown obviously did not get

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Speaker 1: dealt and you know the Jets didn't trade Breis Hall, who.

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Speaker 1: I think the problem is, like people are not trading

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Speaker 1: at a lot of picks or a valuable pick for

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Speaker 1: a running back. It's just not going to happen. You're

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Speaker 1: not giving me a guy on the last year of

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Speaker 1: his contract for a third round pick at that position.

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Speaker 1: It's just I'll take a guy from someone's practice squad

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Speaker 1: before I do that, unless you're talking like Christian McCaffrey

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Speaker 1: or Saguon Barkley type guys which rarely become available at

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Speaker 1: the deadline. Right So, and I think you look around

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Speaker 1: the league some of these teams that you know are

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Speaker 1: kind of on the fans. You know, it also takes

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Speaker 1: two to tangle and an underrated part in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: That's different from definitely baseball and even basketball. You know,

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Speaker 1: in basketball, you got a match salaries. In the NFL,

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Speaker 1: a lot has to do with if I've paid a guy.

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Speaker 1: If I trade them, it kind of ruins my cap

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Speaker 1: because the pro rated bonus gets accelerated if you're already

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Speaker 1: under contract. If I'm trading for you, this is gonna

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Speaker 1: be the problem for Tua and the Kyler Murray's that

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Speaker 1: even if I no longer have to pay him guaranteed money,

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Speaker 1: like when I trade for that contract, it is a

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Speaker 1: large as they call it in the business P five,

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Speaker 1: which is paragraph five, which is your base salary. These

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Speaker 1: guys make a lot of money, and this is all

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Speaker 1: puzzle job of how much of my paying guys? How

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Speaker 1: much am I paying other guys on my roster? And

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Speaker 1: I think that complicates stuff. So unless you're you know,

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00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: clearly ind he thinks Sauce Gardner has great football ahead

507
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: of them, Quinn and Williams is a high end football player.

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Speaker 1: You know you can talk yourself into those moves a

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Speaker 1: lot quicker than some of these other guys that may

510
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Speaker 1: have larger salaries that are available. But you're like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if this is quite worth it. So pretty

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Speaker 1: entertaining day. I think the NFL is definitely has definitely

513
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Speaker 1: improved because when I was a kid, obviously trades in

514
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Speaker 1: the offseason, but you just did not get regular season

515
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Speaker 1: trades like we do now, which is awesome because forever

516
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Speaker 1: it was like great players got traded in basketball all

517
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Speaker 1: the time. Great players always got traded in Baseball at

518
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Speaker 1: the trade deadline, and football has really stepped up their game,

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Speaker 1: which we all win for. It's this is entertainment, and

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00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: this is pretty entertaining. Well, thank god, you know Monday

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Speaker 1: night football. Because I actually I said I was anti

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Speaker 1: reading or following anything with the ESPN and the YouTube deal.

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Speaker 1: I did listen to a podcast and I also read

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Speaker 1: a couple of articles about it doesn't feel like we're

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Speaker 1: headed for a resolution anytime soon. And my overall take

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Speaker 1: is just doing a little of my own research, is

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Speaker 1: Google is so freaking big and has so much money

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Speaker 1: they don't need to say yes to anything Disney wants. Obviously.

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Speaker 1: It's you don't want to have a product which is

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Speaker 1: only growing by the month, right, that does not have

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Speaker 1: Monday night Football. That's a pretty important thing to have

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Speaker 1: on your television bundle that you're offering whatever that we

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Speaker 1: all pay for it. I don't know, I just press subscribe.

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Speaker 1: But Google is so much bigger than Disney that at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, if this doesn't work out

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Speaker 1: for them and they don't come off the number in

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Speaker 1: which they're willing to pay Disney, which I think has

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Speaker 1: been like close to two billion dollars a year, which

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00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: to them is nothing. It's not like they're gonna go under.

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Speaker 1: It's not like YouTube TV is gonna go away. It's

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Speaker 1: just gonna be up to based on you know, my

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Speaker 1: take and my educated guess is that like, is Disney

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Speaker 1: willing to give in a little bit and go Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we would like a little more, but this is still

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Speaker 1: making us a lot of money. And at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, we, in a weird way almost need

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00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: you more than you need us. And this gets back

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Speaker 1: to like anyone that's ever followed or read about Costco,

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Speaker 1: the way they do business with whoever, which it's it's

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Speaker 1: been stuff of legend that if you want to have

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Speaker 1: a sku at Costco, if you're Gellett Raisers or you know,

552
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: Stanley or whatever the company is, you have to give

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Speaker 1: them a unique skew inside the building that does not

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Speaker 1: exist in safe ways and targets anywhere else, only Costco.

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Speaker 1: But once you get into Costco, they immediately become the

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Speaker 1: majority of your business, so over time they have all

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Speaker 1: the leverage over you. You need them, they don't need you.

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Speaker 1: And that's what this feels like a little bit. Now overall,

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Speaker 1: I don't really like I'm not a part of the

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna profit. I'm not a stockholder in Google

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Speaker 1: or in Disney. I just want to be able to

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Speaker 1: turn on my television on Monday night and have ESPN

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Speaker 1: on YouTube TV. I want to be able to sit

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Speaker 1: on my couch and just go to YouTube TV to

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Speaker 1: watch college football games. I don't care about who's got

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Speaker 1: the leverage here, but I have come to grips with

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Speaker 1: I don't think this is gonna change anytime soon. And

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Speaker 1: I don't expect Google to be like, Okay, we're paying

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Speaker 1: you two billion, Now we'll pay you four and a half.

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Speaker 1: Because they don't need to do that. They just don't.

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Speaker 1: So I think Disney, who historically has always had a

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Speaker 1: lot of juice in these negotiations because you want them

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Speaker 1: as part of your bundle, it's a big deal, they

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Speaker 1: finally met someone that's like, yeah, we just do not care.

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Speaker 1: We truly do not care. And whether that benefits us,

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00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: clearly it does not, and it kind of sucks. But

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Speaker 1: I don't just expect to, like, you know, Google gave

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Speaker 1: in and gave Disney and Bob Iger what they wanted.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't hold your breath for that moment congrats to

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Speaker 1: start with LEVI question for the mailbag, how does the

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Speaker 1: trade deadline actually work? Do the phones in each building

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Speaker 1: magically turn off at four pm Eastern? Is there some

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Speaker 1: sort of documentation that needs to be submitted to the

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Speaker 1: league by for Eastern or you're out of luck? Seems

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Speaker 1: like a fugazi process. When I was in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: I would say I remember the landlines at least when

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Speaker 1: I first got there in Philly in twenty ten, having

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Speaker 1: a lot of pull. I remember Katie who was how

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Speaker 1: like Adam Schefter online one. And that feels like, I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's fifteen years ago. Now, that feels like a lifetime ago.

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Speaker 1: That there is none of these gms that are doing

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Speaker 1: any deals that aren't communicating by cell phone, so all

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Speaker 1: their communication and you see this on all the draft videos.

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Speaker 1: It's mainly by cell phone texting than calling. But you

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Speaker 1: do like the thing that's not a fugazi. It's not

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Speaker 1: about how you figure out the trade between the Jets

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Speaker 1: and the Colts Chris Ballard and should I forget to

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Speaker 1: the GM of the Jets name and Glenn and his

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Speaker 1: guy and Woody. It's about the league knowing and you

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Speaker 1: have to get it to them. It's like the you

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Speaker 1: get fifteen minutes you're on the clock in the first round,

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Speaker 1: you get seven or ten minutes or whatever the second

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Speaker 1: round is. You just have to have hey, Ty Simpson

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Speaker 1: by the time it hits double zero or the next

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Speaker 1: guy can pick. The difference of the deadline is just ends.

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Speaker 1: Given how good Flacco has played recently for Cleveland and Cincinnati,

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Speaker 1: was he being held back when he was in Baltimore?

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Speaker 1: Would we be talking about him like an elite quarterback

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Speaker 1: if he had played with a more offensively friendly team.

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Speaker 1: Love the show? How do you know if the questions

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Speaker 1: get answered? As if I can't watch or listen to

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Speaker 1: the shows every day, I guess you'll never know. You know,

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Speaker 1: you just you hope you're listening on the day that

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Speaker 1: your question gets answered. This isn't the most buttoned up process.

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Speaker 1: It's not like an automatic email goes out, which maybe

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Speaker 1: we're not that far away with AI. If I read

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Speaker 1: your question, you get an automatic DM or email say

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Speaker 1: listen to episode whatever this date your question is answered,

646
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Speaker 1: We're probably not very far away. But I would say

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Speaker 1: when it comes to your question about Flacco an elite quarterback,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I'd go that far, but I

649
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Speaker 1: think it's pretty clear that his strengths weren't always utilized

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Speaker 1: with the team that focused on defense and running the ball. Now, granted,

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Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, you know Tory Smith and Kwon

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Speaker 1: Bolden was Todd Heap, but they were just so defensive

653
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Speaker 1: oriented that Yeah. I mean, I think from a deep

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Speaker 1: ball standpoint, if he would have played with better wide

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Speaker 1: receivers over the course of his career, it probably would

656
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Speaker 1: have looked a little different. I mean, like Tory Smith

657
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Speaker 1: was one of his go to guys from eleven, twelve, thirteen,

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Speaker 1: and fourteen catching fifty forty nine, sixty five, forty nine

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Speaker 1: balls like that, and that's a guy that were They

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Speaker 1: draft Tory Smith. They drafted him at the end of

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Speaker 1: the second round, so there was a lot of that

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Speaker 1: Steve Smith senior. You know, as an older player, I

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Speaker 1: definitely think if Flacco at twenty eight years old was

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Speaker 1: on a team with some star wide receivers, it probably

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00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 1: would have been a more explosive experience for sure. Post

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Speaker 1: trade deadline. How much pressure now relies on getting the

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Speaker 1: Jets head coach correct given the massive draft capital over

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Speaker 1: the next two years. How much pressure is now on

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Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn this year alone. I talked about this earlier

670
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Speaker 1: that this is why these things can crack because it

671
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Speaker 1: was like trust the process, Sam Hinkey, Brett Brown until

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Speaker 1: it wasn't right. So by the time we get to

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty seven draft, which I think on paper

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00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: right now the Jets have three ones and two twos.

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Speaker 1: Could be wrong on that, they definitely have five ones

676
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Speaker 1: right over the course of two years. Is the coach

677
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Speaker 1: who has judged on wins and losses going to be

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Speaker 1: able to survive several years of not winning when the

679
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: franchise has already been not winning for a long time.

680
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: That's the problem. Like they have been really bad now

681
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: for a long period of time. So clearly the GM

682
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Speaker 1: is like this is personnel. People have wet dreams to

683
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Speaker 1: have this type draft capital coaches do not because it's like, well,

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Speaker 1: by twenty twenty eight, some of these players could be popping.

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Speaker 1: It's like, well, what if they're not. You know what

686
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Speaker 1: if you miss on some players I saw with the

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Speaker 1: Raiders when they traded a Khalil Mack. All of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: they're drafting guys that are out of the league, So

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Speaker 1: it can I never fought a bad team for making

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Speaker 1: one of these trades. But also now the pressure like

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Speaker 1: saus Gardner was a two time All Pro, Quentin Williams

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Speaker 1: has been a guy that's been to several Pro Bowls.

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Speaker 1: You're literally just gonna try to draft those type guys again. Right,

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Speaker 1: they didn't trade Garret Wilson, but you're just gonna try

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Speaker 1: to draft another Garrett Wilson. If Aaron Glen's can survive this,

696
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Speaker 1: he's not only mentally tough, he uh they like him

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Speaker 1: a lot as a guy. I think it's really really

698
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: hard in football to just overcome negative perception that's already

699
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: surrounding the franchise that he has nothing to do with,

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Speaker 1: and then just several years of losing. Even if there

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Speaker 1: is in theory light at the end of the tunnel.

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Speaker 1: But we've seen them with a lot of really good

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Speaker 1: players and no quarterback and nothing matters. So the only

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Speaker 1: thing that matters with the Jets because like they can

705
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Speaker 1: have Pro Bowl guys in different positions. If your quarterback

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Speaker 1: position sucks, you have no chance, like with the Jets,

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Speaker 1: like would struggle being Ohio State. If you're not gonna

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Speaker 1: complete passes, their team's gonna be really bad now, right,

709
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Speaker 1: I mean you've traded away multiple corners, you traded away

710
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Speaker 1: your star defensive lineman. You're just gonna have players checking out.

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Speaker 1: We're your human beings, right. I'm a big believer, and

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Speaker 1: I give a lot of guys credit for being a

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Speaker 1: high level pro. I was on a walk this morning

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Speaker 1: and I heard Colin say, like how much he respects

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Speaker 1: Jakobe Brissette. Listen. I try to surround myself just like

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Speaker 1: probably most of you, with a lot of guys that

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Speaker 1: are high level guys that are focused. I do like

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Speaker 1: my wild cards every once in a while. And we're

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Speaker 1: human beings and we can gravitate toward you know, certain things,

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Speaker 1: and I don't care who you are when something really

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Speaker 1: sucks and it is not fun and in sports. When

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Speaker 1: you're losing all the time, even if you're a high

723
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Speaker 1: character guy, it's easy to kind of kind of check out.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not saying these guys are just gonna all

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Speaker 1: out quit, but it is gonna be. The pressure on

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Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn to just keep players trying is gonna be

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Speaker 1: a lot harder than you would expect in the National

728
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Speaker 1: Football League. Feeling like Arizona is ready to move on

729
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: from Kyler, any chance he bounces back with some other organization,

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Speaker 1: I'll piggyback because the next question is, you know in

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Speaker 1: the same lane too, a huge fan of the Pod,

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Speaker 1: and let's do as much as I can. My question

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Speaker 1: is Nick Wright said last offseason that Kyler Murray would

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Speaker 1: be the Pittsburgh Steelers starting quarterback Week one in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six. With the way Brissett is playing, it wouldn't

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Speaker 1: shock me if Arizona got rid of him. Well, I

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Speaker 1: think today he's officially been benched, right, which the Man

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Speaker 1: on the Moon could see coming, like they weren't gonna

739
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: go to Kyler Murray when Jacoby's been playing like this,

740
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 1: He's dramatically just better player and their most prized possession

741
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Speaker 1: over the last couple of years is Marvin Harrison, and

742
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison is alive. When Jacoby plays, he doesn't exist.

743
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Speaker 1: When Kyler plays like that impacts it regardless. I just

744
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 1: don't think he has any trade value. I really don't,

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00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: you know one you would much rather have, you know.

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Speaker 1: I think they will try to get Aaron Rodgers to

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00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: come back and play another year, and I think there's

748
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 1: a decent chance that that happens. But you would rather

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Speaker 1: have Aaron Rodgers at forty two years old than this

750
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: version of Kyler Murray. I don't know if Kyler Murray's

751
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: really rehabbable. Like my take on Kyler kind of is

752
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: what he is. He's a five to nine guy who

753
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: can't see who is inconsistent because he can't see who

754
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: can run around and make good plays. But also when

755
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: you run around a lot, sometimes shit hits the fan.

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00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: It doesn't go your way. That's why the Cardinals like,

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00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: if you watch him on the right day, they can

758
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: look really good. If you watch him on the wrong day,

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00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: they can look atrocious. One thing that isn't debatable with

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00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: Arizona is like they got a lot of good players.

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00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: Their defensive line is real, especially with the first rounder

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Speaker 1: back Trey McBride is one of the best players in

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Speaker 1: the NFL on offense. Let me repeat that, he is

764
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: one of the best players quarterbacks, linemen, receivers, tight ends.

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Speaker 1: That's how good that guy is. And listen, I just

766
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: I'm just a product of what I see though. That's

767
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: where my takes come from. So I was like, I

768
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,720
Speaker 1: don't know if I really see it with Marvin Harrison.

769
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Speaker 1: Now you watch him and go, God, Marvin, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if he's going to be some superstar or his father,

771
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: but he can be a really, really good player and

772
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: you're starting to see that now, you know. I said this.

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Speaker 1: The reason it's like they got to cut De Marcado

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Speaker 1: after he dropped the ball, Well, the reason they didn't

775
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 1: cut him, guys, was because one they're starting running back

776
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Speaker 1: what James Conner do shatter his ankle? Like they have

777
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: lost running backs. I kind of like De Marcado. So

778
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: now you get Jacoby with some just real weapons, you know,

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Speaker 1: a running game that has been semi effective, and a

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00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: defense is pretty good, like Nick Rawlis. I actually flew

781
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: back from the Combine a couple of years ago and

782
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: he was on my plane with another coach I was

783
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 1: sitting in the back of the bird. He was in

784
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: first class. He got to give Bidwell a little credit

785
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: for taking care of his coordinators. But I remember looking

786
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: at him. I didn't know that much about him. I

787
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: knew he was coming. He was a position coach for Philly,

788
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Speaker 1: and I remember I was probably thirty seven at the time, thinking, God,

789
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: this guy looks really really young. I think he's good.

790
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I think him and Jonathan Gannon, I think

791
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: the Cardinals have been a pretty well coached team. It's

792
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Speaker 1: just Kyler Murray. You see it in college, in the

793
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: pros all the time. You could have a solid team

794
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: if your quarterback situation is in flux. I'm not even

795
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: talking a disaster. It's just up and down. It's hard

796
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Speaker 1: to function. Okay, we got a doozy coming here. This

797
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: is from This is a little out of left field.

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00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: Why isn't Bo Knicks being talked about more in the

799
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: MVP discussion? Drake May has been vaulted into being a favorite,

800
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Speaker 1: Yet May and Knicks have similar numbers on the season.

801
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: You have admitted that May has done so with an

802
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: absolute joke of a schedule. I haven't admitted that the

803
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: stats you literally say it, they have the easiest schedule

804
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: in the NFL. If we go into dird mode and

805
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: take all of the negative quarterback stats i int. Fumble, sacks,

806
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: et cetera, and subtract those from the positive stats yards TVs.

807
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: Rushing total yards, only Dak Prescott, Herbert and Mahomes have

808
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: had better seasons than Bonis. Add in the clutch gene

809
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 1: leadership and being his best win as best as ass

810
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: and it would seem that the national media moves the

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00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: goalpost when it comes to Bonix. I just cut really

812
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: quick on Kyler. His cap hits the next couple of years,

813
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 1: fifty three million, forty three million. You'd have to pay

814
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Speaker 1: him in cash next year forty two and thirty six

815
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Speaker 1: feels a little extreme. Let me just bring up bon

816
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Speaker 1: Nicks here quick, because I would imagine his stats when

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00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,720
Speaker 1: you just look at him, don't look atrocious. His team's

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00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: obviously seven to two. He's thrown seventeen touchdowns and has

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Speaker 1: six interceptions. My guess also is he has a couple

820
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: rushing touchdowns, right, So he has three rushing touchdowns. So

821
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Speaker 1: he has accounted for twenty touchdowns, six picks, and one

822
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: lost fumble. So twenty touchdowns and seven turnovers. It is

823
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: not terrible by any means, nowhere near the MVP. I

824
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Speaker 1: would say, here's the problem for bo The eye test

825
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: has been atrocious. He has had games where he's borderline

826
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: unplayable for quarters on end. And you're talking to a

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Speaker 1: guy that has the ticket on Denver to win the division,

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Speaker 1: on a ticket on them to make the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: I'd be lying if I said I have a lot

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Speaker 1: of confidence, because yes, he has had some of that

831
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: t bow magic in the fourth quarter throwing touchdown. But

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00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: you can't win the MVP when you play like shit

833
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: throughout a lot of games. I wouldn't vote for Drake

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00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: Man as the MVP. He's not getting many votes, I

835
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: don't think. But like comparing him to the Baker Mayfields,

836
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: the Matt Staffords, the Sam Darnold's, the Mahomes, Josh Allens,

837
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: like they just play well throughout the game, right, So

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00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: bo Nick's a lot of his good games, it's been

839
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 1: like the fourth quarter against the Eagles, big play against

840
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: the Texans. It's like, you gotta do that throughout the game.

841
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: So I to me, it's not even a discussion. I

842
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: don't think you could watch bow Nicks play through the

843
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: first two months of the season and say with a

844
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: straight face he's an MVP candidate. Regardless about Drake May

845
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 1: big Giants fan here is from Russell, not Wilson. If

846
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: they clean house, are the Giants an attractive team for

847
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 1: the best available head coach? Slash GM seems like day

848
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: Ball isn't good enough to overcome bad draft picks and

849
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: the lame duck coach. After firing the GM never works.

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Speaker 1: I just think we have to ask ourselves who are

851
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: the top candidates? So regardless, let's even if this is

852
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: not a defense or a criticism of what they should

853
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: do with Dable, like fire him he sucks or keep him.

854
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,439
Speaker 1: Let's just say it's open. The Giants have an open

855
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: GM and an open head coach. Well, who are the

856
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 1: top available candidates? Young Joe Brady. The Giants can't afford

857
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: to do that same thing with Kubiak, can't afford to

858
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: do that. I can't have a first time head coach.

859
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: We have done this a couple times in a row

860
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: now and day Ball and Joe Judge, and it has

861
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: blown up in our face. I think we've tried the

862
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: retread the Pat Schirmer that sucked. We tried like the

863
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: up and coming star McAdoo who was already in our building.

864
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: That sucked. I think, if anything, what they need to do,

865
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: and they struck. It turned out to be gold because

866
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: they won two super Bowls with the guy is a

867
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: proven hard ass kind of retread. When I say retread,

868
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: guy who's already been a head and had some success

869
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,959
Speaker 1: in Tom Coughlin. So who is that version of a guy?

870
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: Does Mike McCarthy make sense? Doesn't quite feel legal enough

871
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: for New York. On the text thread that we're on

872
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: here for three and out, Lane Kiffen's name got thrown

873
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: out there because of his connection with Jackson Dart. While

874
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: Lane has done a huge rehab, literally right, completely sobered up,

875
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: looks fantastic. Family's a huge part of his life, looks

876
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: like God's a big part of his life. A lot

877
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 1: of question marks a couple of years before that, and

878
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: you know it was the reason he wasn't getting any

879
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: other interviews. Now I'm talking college, not the pros. I

880
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: have a hard time seeing the giants brass look past that.

881
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: At least there's a lot of risk involved and I

882
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: you know, short lived stint with the Raiders probably not happening,

883
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: sark Uh, if he truly is interested and they got

884
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: a quarterback, would he be interested? But who are these

885
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 1: guys GM's gonna be? Do you hire a GM first

886
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: and let them hire a coach? How about the Arthur

887
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: Smith Matt Naggi type guys? Uh, I think you would

888
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: have to take them into consideration. Guys you know Atlanta

889
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: and in Chicago, right, but there's not you know, a

890
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson level guy, a no brainer, And there's not

891
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: a Mike Vrabel on this market. So I think it

892
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: makes it really difficult. You know, could you shoot for

893
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: the stars and go with the young up and coming

894
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: Joe Brady Kubiak? You could, But I think the New

895
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: York's a tough spot for that man. I think he

896
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: can eat you alive and spitch you out. So I

897
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: think in a perfect world you'd hire like Mike Vrabel,

898
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: like that human. That's where I think, you know, what

899
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 1: you'd be rooting for is like John Harbaugh or Mike

900
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 1: Tomlin to get a divorce, Because if one of those

901
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: guys get a divorce, they are one hundred percent you're hire.

902
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: You're not looking to win the super Bowl, You're just

903
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: looking to get the train back on the tracks. And

904
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: that's all the Giants are looking to do. Make forward progress,

905
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: no pun intended, just get going in the right direction.

906
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: See everyone's standards a little different, Right, if the Packers

907
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: get bounced in round one and Lafleur gets fired, they're

908
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: looking to take the next step. They're looking for a

909
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: guy and get him over the hump. Right, he's already proven,

910
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: like he can get him to ten, twelve, thirteen wins.

911
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: He can get if you give him a star quarterback,

912
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: they can win an MVP. You give him an unknown

913
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: in Jordan Love. He can play well, but just something's

914
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: a little off, So they'd be looking to take that

915
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: next step. I don't know who that exactly is. You know,

916
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: the Giants, the bar so low, you're just looking to

917
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: get it going, like Tomlin or John Harbaugh could get

918
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: you going. I think Mike Tomlin makes a lot of

919
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: sense there. If the Pittsburgh thing ends ugly, which is

920
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: always a chance that happens based on recent history. A

921
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: lot of questions about Kyler Murray. I have a hard

922
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: time seeing them trade him when he's making forty thirty

923
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 1: five million dollars. I just what teams get what team

924
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 1: would pay Kyler Murray next year forty million dollars If

925
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray was a free agent at the end of

926
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: this year, does he get a multi year deal? I

927
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: doubt it. And if you do give a multi year deal,

928
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 1: you usually a bad team. I mean, honestly, for the

929
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,720
Speaker 1: Jets are gonna get a lot of credit today because

930
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: they got a bunch of draft picks. They also this

931
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: offseason gave two years and forty million dollars to Justin Fields.

932
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,240
Speaker 1: And I'm not pocket watching. I'm all for anyone getting

933
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 1: as much money as they can. Good on his agent

934
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: for negotiating that contract. But in what world would a

935
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: good GM have giving Justin Fields thirty million dollars guaranteed?

936
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: So how do we trust that these guys know what

937
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: they're doing? That's where it gets scary. Do you think

938
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,919
Speaker 1: may and Vrabel have a decent shot at a Super

939
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: Bowl if they stay together the next five to ten years. Also,

940
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 1: who would you say best comp is. I've heard people

941
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: compare him to Big Ben, but I don't see it.

942
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: I think he's more like a Herbert Josh Allen hybrid

943
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: big Ben. I would say Big Ben and Cam Newton

944
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 1: like those two guys don't have comps. I remember one

945
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: time going to a game a candlestick probably would have

946
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: been like twenty thirteen, and the forty nine Ers were

947
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: playing the Panthers, and the Panthers beat him. And this

948
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: is when the Niners, like Harball was in the peak

949
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: of his powers and they were good. I remember just

950
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: going to Cam Newton's press conference because I just wanted

951
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: to see what he looked like like close, just thinking,

952
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: this guy's fucking huge. I remember thinking the same thing

953
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,720
Speaker 1: for Big Ben, seeing him play the Raiders a couple

954
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: of times and seeing him run out the tunnel. He

955
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: was just a massive human being. So to me, Drake

956
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: May is not as physical as those type guys. I

957
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:55,240
Speaker 1: do think the Herbert, you know, basing his personality, pretty

958
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: low key guy, good looking, kind of easy going, you know,

959
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: Herbert's West Coast personality. May is from the Carolinas, but

960
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: feels like he's a pretty easygoing guy. You know, he's

961
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: basically six four and a half two hundred and thirty pounds.

962
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: Josh Allen feels like a kind of twitchier, more explosive

963
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:20,800
Speaker 1: athlete than May. I think Herbert's a relatively fair comp

964
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: I think Drake may looks like what people hope Trevor

965
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: Lawrence was gonna look like. Saws for two first rounders

966
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: seems to be a lot. Do you think two first

967
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 1: rounders would have gotten one of the league's consistently elite

968
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: corners such as Patrick Sartan, Well, he wouldn't have been available.

969
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: So it's like, unless you're willing to give me, I

970
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: don't want to trade him. He's the best player on

971
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: my team. I don't know much about him person, but

972
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: I just based on the way he plays and the

973
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: way the team extend him, I would imagine their their leader,

974
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: team captain, just like your dude. Well, we don't trade

975
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: our dudes when we're good. Now, this is a business.

976
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: If you offer me four ones and three two's, like

977
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: we get to a point where you could get to

978
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: a number where I have to say yes. But the

979
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: trade that Indy made with the Jets, not only the

980
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: Broncos immediately hang up, but like they're just not in

981
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: the business of trading that guy. And Patrick certain is

982
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: a much better player than Sauce Gardner. Honestly, I mean

983
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: I don't even think it's close. I think the scary

984
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: thing for Sauce is how different the last year and

985
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: a half has been from the first two years. And

986
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: I think it's scary to give that much up for

987
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: a guy that's very expensive, who carries himself like an elite,

988
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,879
Speaker 1: but he's playing like a mid You know, I'm all

989
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: four for trading for elite guy like Michael Parsons carries

990
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: himself like a shit don't stink. Well, here's what I

991
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: know about Michael Parsons. He's gonna get me fifteen sacks

992
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: and he's gonna pressure the quarterback a lot in big

993
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: time spots, even if you know you'd like a little

994
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: more in certain spots as an all around player. Given

995
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: I'm giving him two hundred million dollars, like I would

996
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 1: like Miles Garrett over him, but like I can handle

997
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: having Mike, Mike is an elite. I just don't view

998
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 1: Sauce as an elite. Pastri Tan's an elite. Stingley is

999
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: one of the elites. And I think a huge part

1000
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: about playing corner is it's hard to be a dominant

1001
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: player at that position and not be an exceptional athlete. Like,

1002
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: think about this the greatest corner in my lifetime. It

1003
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: was really struggling right now as a coach, but is

1004
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: considered pound for pound, one of the greatest athletes in

1005
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: the history of this great nation. Deon Sanders. I would

1006
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 1: say one of the best corners of the Internet era

1007
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: is Darrell Reeves, who is also considered, for the prime

1008
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: of his career, one of the best athletes in the league.

1009
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: Richard Sherman was a wide receiver transitioned to defensive back.

1010
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: He's a I mean, he tackles like or when he

1011
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: played like he was a linebacker. So it's like he's

1012
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: not going to be as fluid as Prime in reevs.

1013
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: But what he makes up for because Dion was such

1014
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: a good athlete. It's like, they don't pay me to tackle,

1015
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: and he's right because he's breaking up balls. But in

1016
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: this league, like especially with how spread out it is,

1017
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: people are gonna come at you. So like Richard Sherman

1018
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: sixty three to two hundred pounds and he runs a

1019
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: four or five three, you know, I think Sauce, I

1020
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 1: think most people would consider Sauce Gardner like a four

1021
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: or five five guy, you know, and Patrick Shirtan is

1022
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: just a much better athlete. Like what did Sauce run

1023
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: at the combine. I think you might have run in

1024
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: the four fours. He ran four four one. He doesn't

1025
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: play like that anymore though, what did uh patrick? Certain?

1026
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: I want the I want the son. It's crazy. I

1027
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: mean they got pretty good geans in that family. You

1028
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: got dad and son. He ran a four four one two.

1029
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: This is where you gotta be careful. Who plays faster.

1030
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: People like middle Cope just a hater, just a hater

1031
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: on Sauce. I got nothing against I actually kind of

1032
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: like him. He's a big golfer. I like the guy.

1033
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: I just if you would have said, hey traded one

1034
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: first round pick for a one and a four and

1035
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: even a player and they got a little overpaid. But

1036
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: I get it. Two ones two ones is like for

1037
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack and Jalen Ramsey. I've seen someone trade two

1038
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: ones and it's probably one of their biggest regrets for

1039
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: Jamal Adams, and it backfired. Felt like they regretted that

1040
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: trade immediately. When you trade for a guy who is

1041
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: a defensive back, safety or corner, that guy better be

1042
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: able to dominate and coverage because you're gonna play teams

1043
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: who we're gonna come after that guy relentlessly. If you can't,

1044
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: and that happened to Jamal Adams, and I get it.

1045
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: It's not you know, he's a safety, this guy's a corner.

1046
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: But I don't know. As a Bears fan, I remember

1047
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: hearing during the offseason that Aaron Glenn was a culture

1048
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: guy and Ben Johnson was a nerdy coordinator who couldn't

1049
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: lead a locker room. Would you say at the midway

1050
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: through the season, it's safe to say Ben Johnson ended

1051
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: up being the true culture guy out of Detroit and

1052
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: not Aaron Glenn. It really seems like Chicago has had

1053
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: a culture shift. I think there's one drastic difference between

1054
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: the two guys. Let's just say there's seventy plays on

1055
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: offensive defense or at the game right well, Aaron Glenn

1056
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: and Ben Johnson. Last year, both of them dictated the

1057
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: entire game. One guy called the offense, the other guy

1058
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: called the defense. For the Lions, well transition to this year,

1059
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson impacts the offense every single time they step

1060
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: on the field. And I think even when the games

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Speaker 1: they've lost, any Bears fans can attest to this. Wherever

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01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: we fall on Caleb Williams, where he's at right now,

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson's play calling has been awesome even when plays

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01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: don't work. You like, damn so that one Jesus. Ben

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01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 1: Johnson's big time is a play caller. So whether you're like,

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Speaker 1: most offensive guys are not Sean McVeigh, you know, are

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Speaker 1: not Sean Payton. They could be pretty loud and pretty aggressive,

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01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: like Andy Reid's team meetings. He's not given New Rockney speeches.

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01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: It's not really Kyle Shanahan's deal. Matt Lafleur, I think

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01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:52,479
Speaker 1: tries to be like that, that's not really his thing.

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01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 1: You think Kevin O'Connell is just like this is their

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01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: offensive guys. Doesn't mean they can't communicate and like give

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01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: a good post games speech, but their leadership starts and

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01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: their impact where the offensive guys and obviously the defensive

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Speaker 1: guys goes Scott. This guy knows what he's fucking doing.

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01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 1: So when you're the culture guy and you're not calling

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01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: offense or defense and your team sucks, it's kind of hard, right.

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01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: It's like, it's pretty easy to I could direct Seal

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01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: Team six, like, hey man, you guys go that way

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01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: and they'll just kick ass and take names. But you

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01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: give me a couple guys, never held a weapon, never

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Speaker 1: stood a post. We're probably getting lit up like a

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01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: Christmas tree out on the front lines. So it's like,

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01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: you take over the Jets and you're not calling the defense.

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01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 1: How many raw ros speeches can you give? And I'm

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01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 1: pro like, I understand the CEO head coach, but like,

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01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 1: I just think you can get away from you fast

1088
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: when you really really suck, especially when you've never done it,

1089
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: like Mike Vrabel. Someone would be like, well, Vrabel's doing

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01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: it in New England. Yeah, but he's done this now

1091
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: for a long time. He's in that role in Tennessee.

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01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: This was a big jump for both guys. The difference

1093
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: is Ben Johnson just has to add team speeches, but

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01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 1: as a play caller, he's doing the same thing. He's

1095
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: just running the offense and the defense. He hired a

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01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: high level guy to do that, where the Jets is like, well,

1097
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: you're a defensive guy, but you're letting Steve Wilkes do this.

1098
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 1: You mean Steve Wilke's the guy the forty nine Ers

1099
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: fired after they lost the Super Bowl, who when you

1100
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: look through his resume, is little little iffy by all

1101
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: the cows. Steve Wilke's nice guy. I'm not sure he'd

1102
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 1: be the guy I wanted my defensive coordinator. We're Aaron Glenn,

1103
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 1: you were this great defensive coordinator last year. It's like

1104
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: if I heard Kelvin Shephard at LSU. I bet Kelvin.

1105
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: I want you to be a head coach. I love

1106
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 1: your personality former player, but I also want if you're

1107
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 1: gonna be the head coach LSU, I want you to

1108
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 1: call plays too. And I get you know, Aaron Glenn

1109
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 1: wanted to be like the coach. It's like, bro, you're

1110
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: your point of difference, right, Like for example, what I do.

1111
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: One thing we've figured out over the years is I

1112
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 1: could have on Tiger Woods or Patrick Mahomes and it'd

1113
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: be cool and it's good for brand. He's like, damn

1114
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: middle Confinlan died Patrick Mahomes and Tiger Woods in a

1115
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: week on his podcast. It'd be cool. But you know

1116
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 1: what people really like and where we do well and

1117
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: where we really shine is like the Colts traded for

1118
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 1: Sauce Garner, What is your take? They don't want to

1119
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: hear other they want to hear me. So like we've

1120
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: leaned into like my opinions, as Jim Rome once famously said,

1121
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: have an opinion, don't suck. So when things happen, I react.

1122
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 1: It's the business I'm in. It's been pretty lucrative. I'm

1123
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 1: happy to do it. But like we lean into what

1124
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 1: we're good at here, and I think sometimes these coordinators

1125
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 1: they get away from it and it's like, Sola, it's

1126
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: happened now with all these Jets guys. Brian day Ball

1127
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: is wavered back and forth, like Brian, we hired you

1128
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: because you were sweet, play collar at Alabama and then

1129
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: went with Josh Allen, And it's like you call play,

1130
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: sometimes you don't call plays. It's like, what are we doing?

1131
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: And I look around the league. The best teams most

1132
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: of the time. I mean, the Eagles are a little

1133
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: bit of an outlier. But when you look at the AFC,

1134
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 1: the chiefs Andy Reid play caller, the Broncos play caller, right,

1135
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott calls the defense. So I just think it's

1136
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 1: not a tried and true you know, the Hardbob brothers don't.

1137
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 1: But obviously the NFC is littered with that. Mike McDonald

1138
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, Sean McVay offensive coordinator, forty nine ers, Kyle

1139
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 1: Shanahan offensive coordinator, Minnesota offensive coordinator, Green Bay offensive coordinator,

1140
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay, Todd Bowles defensive coordinator, Like I want my

1141
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:49,919
Speaker 1: blue chip guys un listen. Not everyone is a schematic genius. Boy.

1142
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: I saw Aaron Glenn last year win the division with

1143
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 1: basically me and you out there on the field for

1144
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 1: them and under no circumstances in a game with the

1145
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 1: division on the line and the number one seed on

1146
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: the line. Should you ever be able to win a

1147
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 1: game against an elite offense, which just I mean guys

1148
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 1: that have no business being on the field in a

1149
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 1: game for a fifteen win team, and he did it.

1150
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 1: It was remarkable. Even Troy Aikman said this year watching

1151
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 1: Kelvin Shepard, like what he's doing with these players he's

1152
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: run is like one of the most if trougman I think.

1153
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: He said it is one of the most incredible things

1154
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: I've ever seen, basically saying, this is one of the

1155
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 1: best performances I've ever called as a broadcaster, because they

1156
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 1: have no business being this good on defense. And then

1157
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you say, I'll just stop calling

1158
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 1: defense gift speeches. I'll uh you know, be like the

1159
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 1: dude in Miracle Again, or be like Denzel and you

1160
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: know in one of the movies, or al Pacino, Like

1161
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 1: you start watching those things like what what did Denzel say?

1162
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 1: And remember the Titans? What did Pacino say? At any

1163
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 1: given Sunday? Because that's that's what your job becomes a

1164
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 1: lot of leadership, which is cool and important. Do you

1165
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: know what. I like my coach to be a leader

1166
01:05:56,120 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 1: and call the place, unless you're fucking Nicks or Bill Belichick,

1167
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 1: Like I just I need you. I need you on

1168
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 1: a headset down stuff up, especially when you're good at it,

1169
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: especially when you're good at like Jim Harbaugh get it,

1170
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 1: probably couldn't do it, never done it. Don't want him

1171
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: doing it. He's proven, doesn't need to do it. You

1172
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 1: can figure it out. Aaron Glenn, Robert Sala are too examples.

1173
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 1: Some of these defensive guys immediately pivot into the CEO.

1174
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 1: It's like, guys, I think you're actually making it harder

1175
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 1: on yourself. But like he's not alone, so it's not

1176
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 1: like he's the only guy on an island doing this,

1177
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: but it definitely feels a little more defensive oriented. These

1178
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 1: guys just immediately become like the Jamie Diamond of their organization.

1179
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 1: The volume