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Speaker 2: Coming from the adult industry. I had a lot of

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Speaker 3: Welcome to General World. Welcome back to General World. I'm

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Speaker 3: your host, Molly Lambert. This is episode ten Beyond General World.

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Speaker 3: Jenna Jamison feels like her success as a porn star

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Speaker 3: is self directed. Sure, it takes a lot to stand

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Speaker 3: Anyone who doesn't fit into a very specific mold is

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Speaker 3: treated as exotic or niche. But in both born and

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Speaker 3: mainstream pop culture, there are performers and directors of color

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Speaker 3: create space in their industries for other people who look

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Speaker 4: You have to be an exhibitionist, to last long in

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Speaker 1: I'm betraying a It's just a character. My personal life

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Speaker 3: Even early on in porn history's seventies golden age, there

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Speaker 3: Linda Wong, the Japanese American actress we mentioned in episode three,

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Speaker 3: is born Linda Carol Secchi, a virgo in San Francisco.

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Speaker 3: Linda is a high school homecoming queen ballerina and college

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Speaker 3: series of movies. She struggles with addiction and makes her

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Speaker 3: last film, The Erotic World of Linda Wong in nineteen

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Speaker 3: nineteen eighty seven at a motel in Petaluma. The first

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Speaker 3: Vanessa del Rio who becomes known as the Latin from Manhattan.

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Speaker 3: She is born Anna Maria Sanchez. An Aires, the child

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Speaker 3: takes her to see movies starring Isabelle Sarley, a former

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Speaker 3: She takes her stage name from a friend named Vanessa

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Speaker 3: and Dolores del Rio, the Mexican actress who became Hollywood's

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Speaker 3: nineteen eighty six. She continues to dance and model, and

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Speaker 3: Stars like Linda Wong and Vanessa del Rio are among

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Speaker 3: who is behind the camera, in front of it, and

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Speaker 3: and goes off script, ad libing and cursing in defiance

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Speaker 3: In the eighties, Prince has also become famous and controversial

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Speaker 3: like Susan Wattling from Chino see as a new raunch culture. Really,

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Speaker 3: Rick Alley, a thirty year old junior executive at a

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Speaker 8: The whole one side of the album had what you'd

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Speaker 3: When rick Ally flips the LP over to Let's Pretend

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Speaker 3: But it's too late. His kids have heard Prince's ode

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Speaker 8: I think Prince is a fantastic artist. I bought Purple

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Speaker 3: Love from The Beach Boys. The PTA and the PMRC

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Speaker 3: The Musical Majority says ratings and warning labels are okay

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Speaker 3: already been putting on explicit comedy albums like Eddie Murphy's Delirious.

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Speaker 10: Now when I did Delirious, I got all this flag

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Speaker 3: By the late eighties, Eddie Murphy has become one of

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Speaker 3: Jet magazine, director Spike Lee criticizes Eddie Murphy for not

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Speaker 3: using his power to help other, less powerful black film

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Speaker 11: If Eddie Murphy, who made a billion dollars for Paramount,

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Speaker 11: more films until you hire some black people in your

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Speaker 11: he'll use his clout rather than focus on who gets

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Speaker 11: the best table at Spago's Spike Lee.

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Speaker 3: Director Eddie Murphy directly responds to Spike Lee's comments in

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Speaker 10: The company is called Paramount, not Eddie Murphy Productions. I

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Speaker 3: Shawn Michaels is born Andre Allen in Brooklyn in nineteen

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Speaker 3: Michaels has an ambitious plan to make high budget, glossy

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Speaker 5: He was the best pornographer, best eerotic filmmaker. He was

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Speaker 13: I was nervous. I knew my lines and everything, but

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Speaker 3: Oh What a Night shoots on location in Bodega Bay, California,

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Speaker 13: John Leslie was the first person to give me a

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Speaker 3: In nineteen ninety one, Shawn Michaels gets his chance to

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Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety six, he starts directing music videos for

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00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 3: rap groups like Gangstar and Above the Law. He directs

435
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 3: the music video for Tupac featuring Casey and JoJo's how

436
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 3: Do You Want It, which features black porn stars like

437
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 3: Angel Kelly, Jeanie Pepper, and Heather Hunter.

438
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 2: I work hard, and I planned to go all the

439
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 2: way to the top.

440
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 3: Before Jenna Jamison. One of the porn stars who becomes

441
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 3: most successful at crossing over into mainstream culture is Heather Hunter,

442
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 3: a five foot three libra dynamo from New York.

443
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: When I started in the business, I was being billed

444
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: as black an Italian. I had to hurry up and

445
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: nip that in the butt and let people know I

446
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: was proud to be African American. And then there were

447
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: the titles of the movies. My manager and I didn't

448
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 2: really want to do any stereotypical titles like Chocolate Swirl.

449
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 2: The porn companies did not get contracts to black girls

450
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: back then, and I just felt, well, why can't the

451
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 2: African Americans do that.

452
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 3: Heather Keisha Hunter real name, is born to a funeral

453
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 3: salesman and his wife in the South Bronx in nineteen

454
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 3: sixty nine. One of four kids. Her parents divorced when

455
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 3: she's very young, and the family moves around New York

456
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 3: to Bedside, Harlem and Fort Green. As a teenager, Heather

457
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 3: is a New Addition fan who paints portraits of her family.

458
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 3: She runs away at age sixteen and supports herself through

459
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 3: odd jobs. She takes up with a graffiti crew and

460
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 3: uses the tag Miss forty five after the Able Ferrara film,

461
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 3: but gives it up after getting a paid citation. As punishment,

462
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 3: She's enrolled in a youth art workshop to channel her

463
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 3: instincts into other forms of art making. Her teacher is

464
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 3: the artist Keith Herring. Heather works as a clerk and

465
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 3: then a go go dancer at the Latin Quarter Nightclub,

466
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 3: which opened in the forties as a jazz club, turned

467
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 3: into a seventies disco, became a house music venue, and

468
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 3: is now currently a reggaeton club. Hunter answers an ad

469
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 3: in the Village Voice looking for exotic dancers. From stripping,

470
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 3: she gets recruited into nude pictorials for Swank mag Her

471
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 3: co worker at Latin Quarter is a porn star named

472
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 3: Hyapatia Lee, who suggests Hunter could make good money in porn.

473
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 3: In nineteen eighty eight, she makes her first adult film

474
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 3: at the age of nineteen, titled Heather Hunter on Fire.

475
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 3: In New York, she shoots titles like Coming on America

476
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 3: and Screw the Right Thing. In nineteen ninety, Heather moves

477
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 3: out to Porn Valley and gets a job dancing on

478
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 3: Soul Train until nineteen ninety two, when they find out

479
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 3: she's an adult actress and fire her. In La she

480
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 3: fulfills one of her main goals, becoming a contract girl.

481
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Speaker 2: When I got signed to Vivid in nineteen ninety, I

482
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: became the first black female to be under contract.

483
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 3: Her Vivid debut, Heather Hunted, is directed by Judy Blue,

484
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 3: and detective work on the Internet Adult Film Database reveals

485
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 3: that Judy Blue is a pseudonym used by Paul Thomas.

486
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 3: The first porn star to crossover into music is Andrea True,

487
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 3: a performer who has a nineteen seventy six hit with

488
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 3: More and More and More during the double Golden Age

489
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 3: of porn and disco. Andrea Trudan's parents were Slovenian immigrants

490
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 3: in the Nashville polka scene. More and More and More

491
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 3: is a fluke hit, and True's music career stalls out

492
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 3: by her third album, a nineteen eighty anti war new

493
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 3: wave rock album called War Machine, and she moves to

494
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 3: Upstate New York to practice astrology and work as a

495
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 3: drug counselor so By the nineties, the path to crossover

496
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 3: between porn into music is pretty well established. In nineteen

497
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 3: ninety three, Heather Hung Hunter signs an Island Records contract

498
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 3: and puts out a piano house single called I Want

499
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 3: It All Night Long. As a vivid girl living in LA,

500
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 3: she's romanced by La playboys like Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Charlie Sheen,

501
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 3: and Bill Maherr. She signs a new record contract with

502
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 3: Tommy Boy. While her music career doesn't take off instantly

503
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 3: like her porn stardom did, Heather Hunter is so famous

504
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,959
Speaker 3: for porn she gets name checked in rap lyrics on

505
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 3: Lil Kim's debut album Hardcore. In nineteen ninety five, Asia

506
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 3: Carrera becomes the first Asian American Actress to win Best

507
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 3: Performer of the Year at the Avian Awards. In nineteen

508
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 3: ninety six, she builds her own personal website, and in

509
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety eight, Asia Carrera appears in The Big Lebowski

510
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 3: in the Logjam in porn within the movie. In nineteen

511
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 3: ninety eight, Heather Hunter starts hosting a music video show

512
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 3: for BET called The Peep Show that shows uncensored music

513
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 3: videos to show that Arizon pay per view, where she

514
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 3: interviews rappers known for their sexual content like Achan Yele,

515
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 3: Have Put It in Your Mouth Fame and Uncle Luke

516
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 3: Campbell of two Live Crew. In nineteen ninety nine, Heather

517
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 3: Hunter retires from performing in adult films and vows to

518
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 3: crack the mainstream.

519
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 14: Those old stereotypes about the adult business have been chipped away.

520
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 14: It's not so disgusting anymore. Midori performer.

521
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 3: By the two thousands, major strides are being made for

522
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 3: diversity and porn. Heather Hunter is featured on Cool Keith's

523
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 3: album spank Master. In two thousand and one, a black

524
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 3: performer named Medori becomes the first black woman to win

525
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 3: any Adult Video News award for Best Supporting Actress.

526
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 14: You have the playboy blonde who is sexy in every

527
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 14: man's dream, and as an African American woman, I was like, Okay,

528
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 14: where's a sex symbol that looks like me? And there

529
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 14: were very, if not any that made me a little headstrong,

530
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 14: and I tried to figure out why, and the further

531
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 14: I looked into it, I thought, I want to change

532
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 14: this because this isn't right.

533
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 3: Midori's birth name is Michelle Wattley. She is the sister

534
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 3: of singer Jody Wattley. Born in Durham, North Carolina. Their

535
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 3: father is a traveling minister who takes them on the

536
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 3: road as he holds revival meetings. The family moves to

537
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 3: Kansas City, Missouri, and then Chicago. Her parents split when

538
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 3: she's twelve, and their mom moves Michelle and her sister

539
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 3: out to California.

540
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 6: I moved to California.

541
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Speaker 14: It was junior high school and I was in seventh

542
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 14: grade and the girls have boyfriends. They were kissing, and

543
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 14: I was just mortified. I had never seen, you know,

544
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 14: that sort of thing before. It was just different. I

545
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 14: still have my Midwestern ways about myself.

546
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 3: Michelle Wattley studies dance at a French ballet Academy and

547
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 3: Theater in England. She works as a backup singer of

548
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 3: Vidalsas hair model and a commercial actress, she is scouted

549
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 3: into modeling, but her five foot seven height keeps her

550
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 3: off high fashion runways. As Michelle Wattley, she plays one

551
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 3: of the naked female attendants in the bathtub scene in

552
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 3: Eddie Murphy's Coming to America. She decides to become an

553
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 3: exotic dancer and takes the stage name Midori, after the

554
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 3: Japanese melon liqueur Midori. The liqueur was originally named Erme's

555
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 3: Melon Liqueur by its manufacturer, Suntri, and it was renamed

556
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 3: Madori for US audiences unfamiliar with the green melon flavor

557
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 3: popular in Japan, and launched two American audiences in nineteen

558
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 3: seventy eight at a party for the cast and crew

559
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 3: of Saturday Night Fever. Midori means green in Japanese, and

560
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 3: the Midori sour has the same sweet and sour taste

561
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 3: as American green apple candy.

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00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 14: I got into the adult business for several reasons. One

563
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 14: of them was to create some controversy. It also appealed

564
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 14: to me because there was a lack of African American

565
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 14: women who were major porn stars, and I thought I

566
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 14: could take my music, my dancing and everything and be

567
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 14: an overall entertainer. I've always done music and that was

568
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 14: something I never gave up on, but this was a

569
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 14: big gamble.

570
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 6: Luckily it worked.

571
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 3: In nineteen ninety five, Michelle Madori Wattley decides she wants

572
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 3: to fix the representation of black women in porn by

573
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 3: entering the adult industry herself. Her sister, Jody Wattley has

574
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 3: already become a world famous singer. Jody Wattley was a

575
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 3: dancer on Soul Train who was hand picked by show

576
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 3: producer Don Cornelius to join his prefab R and B

577
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 3: group Shalamar. Her nineteen eighty seven self titled album for

578
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 3: MCA made Jody Wattley a star and style icon. She

579
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 3: won the semi cursed Best New Artist Grammy in nineteen

580
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 3: eighty eight. Like her sister Michelle, Jody Wattley hungers for

581
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 3: more images of black glamour and high fashion mixed with

582
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 3: street style, so she creates the wearing designers like Isse

583
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,959
Speaker 3: Miaki and John Paul Gattier with her signature accessory, Big

584
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 3: Hoop Earrings.

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00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 14: When I first got in The reason I wanted to

586
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 14: go full force in the adult market is because I

587
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 14: thought there was a lack of African American people, women,

588
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 14: especially being promoted in the same way as my blonde counterparts.

589
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 6: It baffled my mind and it pissed me off.

590
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 14: So I did everything I could to make it where

591
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 14: a black woman was able to be on the same level,

592
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 14: so to speak, within this business.

593
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 3: Jody Wattley's late eighties influence on culture is so wide

594
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 3: ranging that the catchphrase Hasta la vista baby from her

595
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 3: hit Looking for a New Love is then adopted by

596
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 3: Arnold Schwarzenager in the nineteen ninety two movie Terminator to

597
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 3: Judgment Day. Jody Wattley is inspired by icons like Diana

598
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 3: Ross and Grace Jones, and her public image of a beautiful, cool,

599
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 3: sophisticated black woman who mixes streetwear and catore inspires artists

600
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 3: like TLC and Selena. Her follow up albums are more

601
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 3: straight R and B, and she never surpasses the success

602
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 3: of her first album sales, but the Wattley name means

603
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 3: something to audiences.

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00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 14: I'm not saying my family's thrilled about what I'm doing,

605
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 14: but they love me and support me.

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00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 6: My sister and I have come to an understanding.

607
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 14: We share the same last name and the same parents,

608
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 14: but we have different laves.

609
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: Jody is no comment about the situation, no comment whatsoever,

610
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: Tom SD Jody Wattley spokesman.

611
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 3: Medori tries to appear only in scenes she doesn't personally

612
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 3: feel our racist. At first, she is only doing mainstream

613
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 3: porn with white male performers, which she rationalizes to herself

614
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,240
Speaker 3: by saying that those are the scenes that win adult

615
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 3: awards and get mainstream media attention. Medory brands herself as

616
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 3: the black Barbie Doll in emulation of the popularity of

617
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 3: rapper Lil Kim, whose art for her album Hardcore directly

618
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 3: references the esthetics of hardcore porn.

619
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Speaker 14: Society is a little more open now and people are

620
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 14: more ready for what's going on. With artists like Lil

621
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 14: Kim being so straightforward with her lyrical content, that's open

622
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 14: a door for someone like me.

623
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 3: But she adds that unlike Little Kim and other rappers,

624
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 3: MADRORI does the stuff that Little Kim raps about, and

625
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:27,720
Speaker 3: she does it on camera.

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00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 14: As a performer, Medoria is who I am, whether I'm singing, rapping,

627
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 14: or in front of the camera. Who are you gonna believe?

628
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 14: Between me, Foxy Brown and Little Kim, I'm the real deal.

629
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 14: People use the media to their best advantage.

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00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 3: Within the year, Midori starts to realize the racist limitations

631
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 3: of the white focused mainstream porn industry and starts making

632
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 3: porn with black directors and performers.

633
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,959
Speaker 6: I didn't want to have black guys thinking I didn't

634
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 6: do them too.

635
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 3: In nineteen nine twenty seven, Spike Lee offers Medoria a

636
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 3: role in He Got Game as a prostitute, which she

637
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 3: turns down because she doesn't want to play a sex worker.

638
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 3: She starts directing porn herself and joins the free speech

639
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 3: coalition of pro adult activists.

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00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 14: I can cut myself off emotionally when I'm working, but

641
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 14: when I'm home.

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00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 6: I need that.

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Speaker 14: It's made my personal relationships more intense because I look

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00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 14: for more than the physical aspects of sex. I'm proud

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Speaker 14: of the choices I've made.

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Speaker 3: In nineteen ninety nine, Medoria is featured on a compilation

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00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 3: of music by porn stars called Porn to Rock. The

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00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 3: producer of Porn to Rock echoes other adult industry figures

649
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 3: in saying that porn is actually one of the nicer

650
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 3: tears of the entertainment industry, especially compared to music.

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Speaker 15: It's certainly less scummy than the music industry. The people

652
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 15: are more honest, the friendlier. It's, you know, more of

653
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Speaker 15: a family. Maybe it's because they're all sleeping again, I

654
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Speaker 15: don't know, Well, who's to say that in the music

655
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Speaker 15: industry then not, I'll sleeping together too, DA's caller executive

656
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Speaker 15: producer will pawn to Rock.

657
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Speaker 6: It's the right time.

658
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Speaker 14: I knew it was going to happen because with music

659
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Speaker 14: videos and the girls damn Near naked, and the lyrics

660
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 14: and the billboards and ads and Calvin kleinb everything was

661
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 14: gearing towards sex.

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Speaker 3: That same year, Midori has a three month relationship with

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Speaker 3: Kid Rock, who says that she gets just as much

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Speaker 3: attention from fans on the street as he does.

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Speaker 14: It's so funny to watch him, you know.

666
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Speaker 16: People see me and they run up they're like, oh,

667
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Speaker 16: I got your record and.

668
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Speaker 13: I love it.

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Speaker 3: Then people see her and they're like are.

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Speaker 13: You do you And she'll be like, yeah, that's me

671
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 13: and they'll be like I thought so.

672
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 16: And they'll never really come out with like, oh.

673
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Speaker 12: Didn't I see you with a dick in your ass

674
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Speaker 12: on TV Kid Rock.

675
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Speaker 3: It's because they have respect for her work, just like yours.

676
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 3: Kid Rock. Vadi signs a record contract with a small

677
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Speaker 3: label in Seattle, and in two thousand, she appears on

678
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Speaker 3: the cover of the Andrew Dice Clay album Face Down,

679
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Speaker 3: Ass Up.

680
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Speaker 14: I wanted to create some controversy to catapult my music,

681
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 14: you know, like Madonna did.

682
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Speaker 3: When Jenna World returns, abn holds a roundtable about racism

683
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Speaker 3: in the industry. Oh my God, welcome back to jenal World.

684
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Speaker 3: By the late nineties, the porn industry has become more

685
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Speaker 3: diverse due to strides made by performers like Shawn Michaels,

686
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Speaker 3: Heather Hunter, and Midori. They saw a gap in the

687
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 3: market and catered to an audience that had been underserved

688
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 3: for decades. But while these black performers led the way

689
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 3: from onscreen representation, once they'd established that there was a

690
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 3: large financial market, many of those same black creators were

691
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Speaker 3: prevented from cashing in on it. Here's Jake Steed A

692
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Speaker 3: Virgo talking with Madori for av And magazine in nineteen

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Speaker 3: ninety nine during a roundtable they conducted with black performers

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Speaker 3: and directors.

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Speaker 17: Years ago, there were a couple of big directors, guys

696
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Speaker 17: that have probably been in the cover of ABN who said,

697
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 17: nobody wants to see that shit. Nobody wants to see

698
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 17: black Girls. It just won't sell. Now, we had something

699
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 17: called Black Dirty Debutante, and almost every black man in

700
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 17: America watched those movies. Then the same people who denied

701
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 17: any kind of work or respect as far as black

702
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 17: talent jumped on the bandwagon. And what you see is

703
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 17: a bunch of white guys trying to commercialize the new

704
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 17: untapped market of blacks, and the blacks don't have any

705
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 17: power to capitalize on it because they've been so broke,

706
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 17: trying to survive, trying to get work. Now that the

707
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 17: black markets open, all the companies that are doing black

708
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 17: movies are all white. They're just commercializing it. And these

709
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 17: places cannot duplicate the black experience. They can try to

710
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 17: commercialize it as much as they can. But I see

711
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 17: that in the future what's gonna happen is that the

712
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 17: consumers who watch my movies are gonna say, hey, this

713
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 17: is real. We want something from our perspective, not something commercialized,

714
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 17: and we don't want to support a company that's pretending

715
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 17: to be black, that's not really black. Jake st performer

716
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 17: and director. You can start by directing black movies and

717
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 17: then you can direct white movies. It's not that a

718
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 17: black man can't direct white movies. There's nothing special to it.

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Speaker 17: The problem is that there's so little resources that how

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00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 17: are they gonna get the money within the business. Because

721
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 17: there's no money to be made if you're black. We

722
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 17: can't get to a point where we say I made it,

723
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 17: therefore everybody else can. That's like Bill Cosby attitude. You

724
00:44:58,520 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 17: have to be pro black.

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Speaker 6: I am pro black.

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Speaker 17: Racism is so rampant in the industry. It has to

727
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,959
Speaker 17: be a dress and it's not a lie just because

728
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 17: one or two people made it like I made it.

729
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 17: I made it because I was lucky and talented to persist, persist, persist.

730
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Speaker 17: But it doesn't have to be that.

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Speaker 6: Way because it's a white dominated world.

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Speaker 14: We all know that it's difficult and it's hard, and

733
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 14: we have to get our hustle on it. And I'm

734
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 14: lucky to have the things happen to me that have happened,

735
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 14: but I've also had to work really hard and I'm

736
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 14: still working hard at it now. With the dance market,

737
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 14: and there are clubs that still will not book me

738
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Speaker 14: because I'm black. It doesn't matter how many awards I've won,

739
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Speaker 14: it doesn't matter how many box covers, magazine covers I've

740
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Speaker 14: been on.

741
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 6: It's because I'm fucking black, exactly.

742
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 14: And I swear when my record comes out, if these

743
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 14: clubs still do not book me, I'm gonna call the

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00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 14: ACLU and the NAACP.

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Speaker 3: Shawn Michaels, who joins the roundtable midway through, gets mentioned

746
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 3: first a few times negatively by some of the other

747
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 3: black performers, imply that Shawn Michaels panders to the white

748
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 3: production companies and doesn't work hard enough to advance the

749
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 3: careers of other black performers that aren't Shawn Michaels to

750
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 3: help build out their own part of the industry. For

751
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 3: those who run the white side of the porn industry,

752
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 3: there's only room for one token blackmail performer at a time,

753
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 3: and currently it's Shawn Michaels. Jake Steed alleges that even

754
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 3: Shawn Michaels has had to take a cut in his

755
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 3: pay rate because there's still so little work for black

756
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,959
Speaker 3: performers in the industry. And they're still not getting paid

757
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 3: the same kind of money as the white performers. Jake

758
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 3: Steed guesses that black and interracial content accounts for ten

759
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 3: percent of the porn industry, up from three percent a

760
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 3: few years before. Jake Steed and another black performer named

761
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 3: mister Marcus credit their own careers to Ed Powers, the

762
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 3: inventor of Dirty Debutants, who they say is one of

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Speaker 3: the few non racist white guys in porn Valley.

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Speaker 17: The key to the future is guys like myself and

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00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 17: Sean who make a better product and outdo the white

766
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 17: guys who are trying to make black movies. Put them

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00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,919
Speaker 17: back where they belong, doing their own thing.

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00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 6: There's a female involved with that too, you know, okay,

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00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 6: which is me.

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Speaker 3: The white AVN interviewer states that for decades, porn has

771
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 3: had a racist unspoken rule against scenes of black male

772
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 3: performers with white women because they thought it would prevent

773
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 3: the film from going to cable due to racists and

774
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 3: television affiliates and markets like the Deep South. One cable

775
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 3: company finally broke the rule, and the other larger pay

776
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 3: cable softcore networks like Playboy and the Spice Channel followed suit.

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Speaker 13: This year, I started my own distribution company, and I'm

778
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 13: happy to say that we're doing quite well. We're black

779
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 13: owned company, and it's been a long time coming. I've

780
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 13: been able to achieve something that not many people of

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00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 13: color or ethnicity have been able to do in this

782
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 13: industry or any industry. In a Marriora, specifically what I

783
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 13: do or interracial videos as opposed to all white, all Asian,

784
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Speaker 13: all Hispanic. You know, I don't feel that there should

785
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Speaker 13: be a division.

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Speaker 3: Shawn Michaels is way more positive about the state of

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00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 3: the porn industry than his peers, while also agreeing with

788
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 3: Jake Steed that black creatives need their own studios and

789
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 3: own distribution companies. Madori ends up working an office job

790
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 3: at Shawn Michael's company later that year.

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Speaker 6: White people will never understand what we have to go through.

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00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 14: When I go shopping in Beverly Hills, I'm being watched

793
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 14: all over the store and I have a platinum card.

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00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 6: You will never understand what we have to go through.

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00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 18: Blacks are always watching other blacks. We do that the

796
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 18: minute I put my name on the tape is directed

797
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 18: by I get letters. I'm so glad to see you

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00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 18: direct fuck the movie you directed it. That's what they're

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00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 18: happy about. They won't to see you come up, mister Mark.

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Speaker 6: Yes.

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00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 3: Director Sean Michaels wants to stretch his talents beyond porn,

802
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 3: so he starts taking acting classes and trying to get

803
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 3: in the Screen Actors Guild, which doesn't normally accept porn performers.

804
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 13: I'm going to lease Strasburg, not because I want to

805
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 13: lead the business, but because I want to do feature films.

806
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 13: I just want to get in there and act with

807
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 13: the public out there that support me. Why not try

808
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,439
Speaker 13: to support me on the mainstream side as well. It's

809
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 13: worth a fucking try. You know, somebody's going to make

810
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 13: that crossover, and damn it, it might as well be me.

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Speaker 3: In two thousand and four, Heather Hunter appears as a

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Speaker 3: judge on a Hustler produced reality competition show called Can

813
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 3: You Be a Porn Star? Alongside fellow judge ginger Linn Allen.

814
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,720
Speaker 3: The show airs on pay per view and pits twenty

815
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 3: eight female contestants against each other for a grand prize

816
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 3: of a one year contract and one hundred thousand dollars.

817
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 3: The reality competition show is hosted by a former adult

818
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:08,280
Speaker 3: performer and playboy model who goes by Mary Carey. Mary

819
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 3: Carey ran for governor of California in the two thousand

820
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Speaker 3: and three gubernatorial recall special election or incumbent Governor Gray

821
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Speaker 3: Davis was defeated by incumbent terminator Arnold Schwarzenegger. This election

822
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Speaker 3: portends a future where celebrity and charisma will start to

823
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 3: take precedence over traditionally prized electoral qualities like competence and intelligence.

824
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 3: While this trend was set in motion with the election

825
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 3: of President Ronald Reagan, it's the election of Austrian born

826
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 3: libertarian mega movie star Arnold Schwarzenegger to a high state

827
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 3: office that predicts a future where the wheels of US

828
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 3: politics will start to come off entirely.

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Speaker 4: Look at Jenna Jamison. She wasn't a fearful woman, and

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00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 4: I think that's exactly what it takes, actually being in

831
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Speaker 4: touch with the power that women have over men when

832
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 4: it comes to sexuality.

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00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 3: It's now the mid two thousands and porn is a

834
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 3: four point three billion dollar industry, generating about half of

835
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 3: Hollywood's reported yearly revenue of nine billion dollars. Jenna Jamison

836
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 3: has built a porn empire in her own name, first

837
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 3: at Wicked Pictures and now with her personal production company,

838
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 3: Club Jenna. Stephen Hirsch's Vivid Entertainment company is netting a

839
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 3: cool eighty million dollars a year. Hirsch lives in a

840
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 3: one point six million dollar eighty one hundred and fifty

841
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 3: square foot mansion in a gated community in the Santa

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00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 3: Susana Mountains with a pool and a water slide. He

843
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 3: has a three hundred and seven thousand dollars a year

844
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 3: suite at Staple Center called the Porn Box, reserved for him,

845
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 3: his friends, and his porn star employees. Meanwhile, thirty year

846
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 3: old Jenna Jamison is at a crossroads to retire from

847
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 3: the adult industry to have children with her husband, Jake Gerdina,

848
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,280
Speaker 3: But she knows that she can't afford to stop working

849
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 3: for too long, or the industry will just move on

850
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 3: to other stars. She's taking preliminary steps towards her planned

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00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 3: future by getting a breast reduction, taking her gigantic double

852
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 3: d implants down to a tasteful sea cup. She's also

853
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 3: starting to worry about how aging will affect her business

854
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 3: that involves her body in appearance.

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Speaker 12: Our looks, pay our bills. I get botax and I

856
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 12: love it. I'm very expressive and I'm trying to keep

857
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 12: lines from appearing. I did have a chin implant, and

858
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 12: I'm having breast reduction surgery. I'll get a full reduction

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Speaker 12: after i have children.

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Speaker 3: In two thousand and four, there's a great profile of

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00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 3: Jenna by writer Vanessa gregoriotis in a rolling stone with

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00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 3: Tom Cruise on the cover. It's called Jenna Jamison's Forbidden Desires.

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00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,399
Speaker 3: Time to promote Jenna's news auto biography How to Make

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00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 3: Love Like a Porn Star. The writer visits Jenna in Scottsdale, Arizona,

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Speaker 3: and notes all of her obvious contradictions. Jenna doesn't display

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Speaker 3: porn in her own house to keep her life work balance.

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Speaker 3: She shows Vanessa around the Neo italianate new build villa

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Speaker 3: and complains about her dogs drinking out of the toilet

869
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 3: and peeing all over the house. Jenna and Jay look

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00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 3: like any other two thousand zero new metal loving Arizonian couple.

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00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 3: The only sign in the house of Club Jenna the

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00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 3: porn Empire that they run together is that Jay is

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00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 3: hunched over some computers, editing a scene where Jenna is

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00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 3: dressed in white Latex as a nurse. He jokes that

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00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 3: they're submitting it to Sundance. The whole house is decorated

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00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 3: with collages Jenna made for Jay celebrating their love. She

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00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 3: complains about Hollywood people still treating her like a freak show.

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00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 12: I'm so unaffected by the whole frig in Hollywood scene.

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00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,479
Speaker 12: Give me the job or shut the fuck up. I'm

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00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 12: not a show pony. I don't want to hang out

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00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 12: with you and your friends, and I don't want to

882
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 12: leave a message on your answering machine. You've reached, Scott.

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00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 12: He's busy with me right now.

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Speaker 13: Ugh.

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00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 3: At the peak of her porn career, famous enough for

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00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 3: a big multi page spread and Rolling Stone, Jenna is

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00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 3: still not satisfied. Whenever she accomplishes one goal, she already

888
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 3: has her eye on another. She's got a new lifestyle

889
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 3: in mind Housewife. She's also starting to feel like the

890
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 3: porn industry has changed a lot since she started her

891
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 3: own career. The sex acts have gotten more hardcore, and

892
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 3: the market has become so saturated with talent that it's

893
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 3: even harder to stand out.

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00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 12: I look at these new girls today, taking on six

895
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 12: guys and doing boukaqes. I think, what the hell are

896
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 12: they doing? These girls don't know that You've just start slow, baby,

897
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 12: and make them pay you more for each thing you do.

898
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 12: And my day you hardly had to have sex, let

899
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Speaker 12: alone too.

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00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 3: Dix up your ass. At thirty years old, she is

901
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 3: already saying things like in my day about her twenties.

902
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 3: She's cut down her performing to a couple movies a

903
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 3: year with a stipulation that Jay be the only male talent.

904
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 3: After thoroughly exploring sexual exhibitionism, she now feels like taking

905
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 3: her clothes off professionally has become mundane and wants to

906
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 3: challenge herself in other ways.

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00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 12: The fact is, I'm at a point in my life

908
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 12: where I don't want to be butt naked in front

909
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 12: of thirty people anymore.

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00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 3: Like many people who just turned thirty, Jenna feels like

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00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:58,240
Speaker 3: she's turned a corner into mature adulthood. She feels ready

912
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 3: to settle down into motherhood and a stable home life.

913
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 3: Even in Scottsdale, she gets recognized constantly, so she stays

914
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,919
Speaker 3: home a lot, which is just how Jay likes it.

915
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 3: She's tired of being Jenna Jamison all the time and

916
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 3: wants to be Jenna Missoli again, albeit this time with

917
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 3: a lot of money and a horse. She plans to

918
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:24,240
Speaker 3: get her signature heartbreaker tattoo lasered off her ass, cut

919
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 3: her hair into a fuck ass bob, maybe even legally

920
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 3: change her name to Jenna Gardina, and moves smoothly into

921
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 3: the next phase of her life. While she's the moneymaker

922
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 3: in the relationship, Jake Gardina takes care of the business

923
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 3: side and tends to Jenna's many moods. He makes sure

924
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 3: the Club Jenna website keeps posting enough Jena content to

925
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 3: satisfy fans and keep the money rolling in. But for Jenna,

926
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 3: shooting sexy photos has become a draining chore like any

927
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 3: other job. Her mind is elsewhere. She and Jay have

928
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 3: not yet been able to get pregnant, despite having a

929
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:06,399
Speaker 3: lot of unprotected sex. She's been seeing fertility doctors and

930
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 3: looking into alternative medicine, but the thing she wants the

931
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 3: most remains out of her grasp and not in her control,

932
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 3: and she really really hates that. Every time she gets

933
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 3: her period, she feels like a total failure as a woman.

934
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Speaker 12: I'm trying to think positive, but sometimes I can't.

935
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Speaker 3: Jenna's book is a huge hit that spends six weeks

936
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 3: on the New York Times Bestsellers list. There's talk of

937
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 3: a film adaptation. Jenna wants Kate Hudson to play her,

938
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 3: although she says Kate would need stunt tits. Jenna keeps

939
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 3: expanding into other fields that require less of her vigorous

940
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 3: physical participation, video games, comic books, erotica. She writes an

941
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Speaker 3: advice column for the British men's magazine FHM for Him Magazine,

942
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 3: where she dispenses relationship and sex advice.

943
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Speaker 16: When my girlfriend goes out on girls' nights, she never

944
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 16: lets me tag along and keeps the plants top secret.

945
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 8: Is she cheating?

946
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 16: What could she be up to in the dark glen View, Illinois.

947
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 12: She could well be having females athletic sex of her

948
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 12: life with a richer, more handsome man than you. The

949
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 12: point is this, You either trust your girlfriend or you don't.

950
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 12: Everyone needs space. Enjoy the time of part with your

951
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 12: friends and see how she reacts to you being Captain sneaky.

952
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 12: If she freaks out, she's up to no good.

953
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 16: When I left for Iraq, I thought i'd miss my girlfriend,

954
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 16: but I don't. I'm thinking of dumping her. What's the

955
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 16: best way to break up without upsetting her heart of

956
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 16: steel the email.

957
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 12: I think you're fooling yourself about not missing her, and

958
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 12: you're building an emotional wall for yourself. It's nothing to

959
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 12: get hung up about. That's a natural defense for men.

960
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 12: You don't need to break up with a woman unless

961
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 12: you go to prison. Feel free to give in to

962
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 12: temptation while you're away. Be safe over there. You have

963
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 12: my love and support. The thought of all those guys

964
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 12: jacking off in one place gets me so hot.

965
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 3: One guy writes in asking how to get his girlfriend

966
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,479
Speaker 3: to have a threesome. Jenna says, you let the girl

967
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 3: pick out the third person. Don't kiss that person on

968
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 3: the mouth, and ask yourself if you really want to

969
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 3: do it, because it won't be like the porn film

970
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 3: fantasy and could fuck up your relationship for real. Jenna

971
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 3: is not ashamed of her storied career, but she wants

972
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 3: to get out of porn before becoming a mother. She's

973
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 3: tired of being on all the time and fielding lude

974
00:59:56,000 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 3: comments and comments from strangers, both male and female, who

975
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 3: expect her to be the same in real life as

976
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 3: she is in her movies, but porn still pays the

977
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 3: bills for now, so she's hosting events and banking content

978
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Speaker 3: in advance for when she goes on a permanent maternity leave.

979
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 3: She wants to leave porn on top, but life has

980
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 3: other plans for Jenna Jamison. Next time. On Jena World

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Speaker 3: episode eleven, Pirates, a director named Ali June starts Digital

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Speaker 3: Playground Studio and makes the biggest budget porn film of

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Speaker 3: all time. Jenna World is an iHeartRadio production executive produced

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Speaker 3: by Anna Hosnier and Becco Ramos, supervising, produced by Bei Wang,

985
01:00:55,920 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 3: produced by Victor Wright, script editing by Jonathan Mills, engineered

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Speaker 3: by Graham Gibson, and edited by Rory Gagan. Today's episode

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Speaker 3: of Jenna World featured Emily Yoshida as Linda Wong, Sydney

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Speaker 3: Battle as Heather Hunter, Iffy Wataway as Shawn Michaels, Becca

989
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 3: Ramos as Vanessa del Rio, Jason Walliner as Bruce Gowers,

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Speaker 3: and Paul Thomas, Sara Sobsey as Susan Wattling from Chino,

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01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 3: Ian Grant as Rick Alley, Peter Cellini as Andrew Dice,

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Speaker 3: Clay Brian Moses as Eddie Murphy. Yasser Lester as Spike Lee,

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Speaker 3: Jed Nick mayerd as Madori, Blake Wexler as Tom sd

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Speaker 3: Mort Burke as Dax Couner, Carvel Wallace as Jake Steed,

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Speaker 3: Freddie Gibbs as mister Marcus Grant Creator as In the

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Speaker 3: Dark and Heart of Steel, and Lauren ser Video as

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Speaker 3: Jenna Jamison Oh