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Speaker 3: Hiros Jess, Hey boo, welcome to the podcast. Today, we

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Speaker 3: have got Amy Brune on the show, and oh my god,

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Speaker 3: know who Amy Brune is, she hosts the show Kindred

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Speaker 3: I really enjoy it, and I think that Amy is

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Speaker 3: It's so much of that I think is making your

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Speaker 3: Like totally, yeah, yeah, I'm always so curious about like

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Speaker 2: As he got here. They're definitely smarter than us.

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Speaker 1: Totally. Well, okay, let's talk. I want to go back

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Speaker 1: to So when you're younger, So your dad clears houses.

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Speaker 2: That was something that he did kind of secretly. I

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Speaker 2: And he's to this day never explain this to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah the holidays.

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Speaker 3: on that.

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00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 1: Can you explain like where you are with that?

439
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I have worked with so many psychics and

440
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 2: mediums over the years and watched them cross things over,

441
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 2: and I see that with like air quotes, and then

442
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 2: I would be called back to the same location or

443
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 2: I would reinvestigate the same location, and the spirits that

444
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 2: they claim to crossover would very much still be there.

445
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 2: And so it's hard for me because I do have

446
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 2: psychics that come up to me and they're like, you're wrong,

447
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 2: I know, because I'm a psychic, and I'm like, but

448
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 2: I don't. I can't ever get into their head, you

449
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 2: know what I mean. So it's like it's very difficult.

450
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 2: But for me, it just started dawning on me that

451
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: it was kind of dismissive. Like if you have a

452
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 2: spirit reaching out to you repeatedly, really needing something or

453
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 2: trying to send a message, or you know, trying to

454
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 2: make themselves known, if your answer to that is, let

455
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 2: me call someone in who can smudge you out of here,

456
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 2: or let me like you know, bring in a priest

457
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 2: or not only did I started feeling like that was,

458
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 2: like I said, dismissive, but also kind of you know,

459
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 2: ignoring what they want. It also tends to aggravate them

460
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 2: because they are feeling like they're not getting through, like

461
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 2: they if you think about them, they're in the room

462
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 2: with you, So it's like it's basically like you have

463
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 2: someone in your house, and right in front of them,

464
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 2: you're like, I really would like it if they would leave.

465
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: What do you all think? You know? Like, so they

466
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 2: start they get more active sometimes from it. And so

467
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 2: if you actually kind of if you actually try to

468
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 2: figure out the why and actively investigate, actively research the scenario,

469
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 2: really dig into what's going on, if you can find

470
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 2: some sort of answer who they are, why they're there,

471
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 2: that to me, has provided a lot more relief to

472
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 2: some of these more extreme hauntings. Like once we've been

473
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: able to figure that out, the spirit either moves on

474
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 2: or stops trying to get your attention, Like I just

475
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 2: I will never It's hard for me when people claim

476
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 2: to know exactly what a spirit wants when we don't

477
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 2: even know that they exist for sure, you know, And

478
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 2: so I can only operate in what is tangible to me,

479
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 2: which is research and facts and evidence and putting it

480
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 2: all together and presenting it, you know, or helping these spirits.

481
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 2: And you know, people's skeptics come to me all the

482
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 2: time and they're like, you know, well, what if you're wrong?

483
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 2: And I'm like, so, if I'm wrong, I'm some crazy

484
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 2: lady talking to no one. That's fine. But I'd rather

485
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 2: be doing this and be wrong then be right in

486
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 2: ignoring these spirits and their needs, if.

487
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: That makes sense, Yeah, definitely.

488
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 3: I mean, so do you find that there's some spirits

489
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 3: that are like, you know what, I'm actually good, Like

490
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 3: I like this gig as a ghost, and I'm just

491
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,959
Speaker 3: going to keep this going on and I'm not going

492
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 3: to like change anything about me.

493
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 2: Yes, But those don't tend to be the spirits that

494
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 2: are like traumatizing families.

495
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: You know.

496
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's usual. The spirits that are usually like

497
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 2: super active and really trying to get your attention. They're

498
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 2: either like a not nice ghost, which you know, people

499
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 2: like to call those demons a lot. But if you

500
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 2: think about it, if someone's a jerk when they're alive,

501
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 2: they're not going to stop being a jerk just because

502
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 2: they die. So sometimes you just have mean ghosts, which

503
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 2: is rare, but it happens. But then there's also people

504
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 2: that again they just they're desperate to fix something, or

505
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 2: they're desperate for help, or they're confused, and so they

506
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 2: are super active. They are trying to get your attention.

507
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 2: And so those are the ones we get called in

508
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 2: for the most. I think they can become chill spirits

509
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 2: they get the help that they're looking for. But but

510
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 2: those aren't the ones we get the calls on. I

511
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 2: think a lot of people know though, when they have, uh,

512
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: you know, a ghost in their house that just kind

513
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 2: of is cohabiting with or cohabitating with them but not

514
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 2: really causing a stir like they'll get a little glimpse

515
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: of them here and there. But yeah, it's the extreme

516
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: ones we get the calls for.

517
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 3: I was thinking, as I was reading your book, a

518
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 3: theory I'm developing now. I might not be the first

519
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 3: person to ever think about this, but I was thinking

520
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 3: your thoughts on this. Okay, Obviously in generations past, there's

521
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 3: been more stigma in society about you know, self help therapy,

522
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 3: talking expressing your feelings. Do you think that that has

523
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 3: anything to do with why some ghosts of generations pass

524
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 3: or even now you know, are stuck that they you know,

525
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:59,959
Speaker 3: they don't they never they never confronted that whole issue

526
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 3: of you know, my I lost my love and now

527
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 3: I'm wandering looking for my love or what they where

528
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 3: maybe they could have, uh you know, dealt with that

529
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 3: in life.

530
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: Do you get what I mean?

531
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh yeah, absolutely, you know I think that I

532
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: think that I also think that that's why we're looking

533
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 2: at it differently now, you know. I think now we're

534
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: we're like this generation of coping and approaching our feelings

535
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 2: with empathy and like realizing that we're only human. Uh,

536
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: And so I think that's why so many people are

537
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 2: kind of getting behind this idea of looking at spirits,

538
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 2: you know, whether they're real or not looking at them

539
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 2: as like, hey, ghosts are people too, Like we're kind

540
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: of relating to them in a way. So yeah, it

541
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 2: definitely depends on like we can tell not tell, but

542
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: when you're dealing with a ghost from a different generation

543
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: or a different time period, the interaction is different. The

544
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: edps we get are different, and so you know whether

545
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: or not they're welcoming of our ghost therapy as we

546
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 2: call it. It's one thing, but but yeah, I think

547
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: I think that definitely has changed a lot of the

548
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 2: way we look at this and also maybe is affecting

549
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,479
Speaker 2: whether or not we're going to be left behind this ghosts.

550
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, because and that's what I appreciate about your approach

551
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 3: and with Kindred Spirits, is you definitely seem to be

552
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 3: interested in helping people living past. I mean, it's which

553
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 3: is It's interesting because I think people get into the

554
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 3: paranormal for many different reasons. I think a lot of

555
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 3: people are drawn to it because of the horror aspect

556
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 3: of it.

557
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: But that doesn't seem to be the case for you,

558
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: right right.

559
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 2: I mean initially, it definitely was like when I was,

560
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 2: you know, a teenager, you know, breaking into abandoned buildings

561
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 2: in Sonoma County looking for cos like, which I do

562
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: not condone by the way I was. That was when

563
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: I was looking for the thrill and for the novelty,

564
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 2: and even old as I was older and you know,

565
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: going into places like Waverley Hills for the weekend and stuff.

566
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: I at that point was looking for the novelty. But

567
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 2: then there were a number of turning points for me

568
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: where I started kind of putting myself in their shoes,

569
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: and just you know, there was an EVP I got

570
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 2: at Waverley Hills once and it was like the first

571
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: time where I went, oh, this is kind of like

572
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: I'm looking at this like it's fun and it's a thrill,

573
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 2: but there could very well be someone on the other

574
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 2: end of this who's very lost and confused. And so

575
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: this EVP, I was walking by this row of like

576
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 2: patient rooms and I was alone, like I was with

577
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: a group, but some of the people were down at

578
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 2: the other end, and I just decided to walk by myself,

579
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: and I told myself I was going to wait to

580
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: see if I got a feeling from a room, you know,

581
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: And so I walked into this room that felt a

582
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: little different, and I did a little EVP session all

583
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,959
Speaker 2: by myself, right, and then I went home, like I

584
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: flew home to California. And then I was like, oh,

585
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: I have all this audio to go through, and I

586
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: played back that EVP session in that room that was

587
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: by myself, or in that room where I was by myself,

588
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 2: and I played back this session. I'm like, hello, is

589
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 2: there anybody here? And I hear this woman's whisper very

590
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: clearly say, where did I go? And I had this

591
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,719
Speaker 2: wave of like, oh my god, that's a really great EVP,

592
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: and then this moment of like, oh my god, she

593
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 2: was talking to me and I just left and I'm

594
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: just like listening to this now in California, like you know,

595
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 2: days later, and this person opened up to me, you know,

596
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: alone in the dark, and she's still there and I'm here,

597
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,239
Speaker 2: like and it was just this moment of what am

598
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: I doing? Like this, this can't be a joke, because

599
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 2: I mean, no one was in that room with me,

600
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 2: and I've gotten many e vps over the years, but

601
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: it was just that was one of those profound moments

602
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 2: where I was like, Okay, we got it. We've got

603
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: to help in some way, you know.

604
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 3: So are there ghosts that are you know, suffering and

605
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 3: they're a ghost for a sad reason? But can they

606
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 3: turn into a happy ghost and remain a ghost and

607
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 3: not be sad?

608
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: I would imagine. So, I mean, it's funny we've we've seen.

609
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 2: One of the strangest like encounters we've had is when

610
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 2: we find the ghosts of children that are actually the

611
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,479
Speaker 2: ghosts of people who died as adults or or in

612
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 2: later time. You know as or like elderly and came

613
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: back as children because that was the happiest time in

614
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: their life. And that's my theory anyway. And so like

615
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 2: I investigated a place called Beardsley Castle and they have

616
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: this little redheaded ghost that like runs around and we

617
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 2: basically figured out like it was one of the people.

618
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 2: Like this was years ago, so my facts could very

619
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: well not be straight on this, but basically it was

620
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 2: someone who had grown up there and went they're every

621
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 2: summer or whatever, and then she basically came back as

622
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 2: a child because that was when she enjoyed it most.

623
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 3: No people think that when we were talking about like

624
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 3: these little kid ghost people say that that's like the

625
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 3: scary the scariest kind of ghost is a child to them,

626
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 3: you know, And what do you think about that? I mean,

627
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 3: I don't know, what are your thoughts on that.

628
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: That's a very hard one for me and I when

629
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 2: people come because there was a big Internet thing for

630
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 2: a moment that said that, you know, there was this

631
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,959
Speaker 2: idea of like children ghosts were all demons and what

632
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 2: I was like, yea, it was. And there are a

633
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 2: lot of people like when I talk about this, people

634
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 2: still come to me online and they'll be like, you

635
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 2: were fooled by that ghost of a child. They're actually

636
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 2: a demon trying to possess you. I always say, if

637
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 2: I'm going to be wrong on something, if I if

638
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not going to risk being wrong on

639
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 2: that one. You know, if if the ghost of a

640
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 2: child comes to me and wants to communicate, I am

641
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 2: going to communicate with them freely, because that's that's one

642
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 2: where you you know, if you have this lost little

643
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 2: soul out there, can you imagine that child and having

644
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 2: people declare that it's a demon if it's actually not

645
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: a demon. So yeah, So I'm always whenever we get

646
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 2: any evidence that suggests there's the spirit of a child

647
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: there or something, I'm always you know, very welcoming and

648
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 2: you know, maternal and you know, and if if one's

649
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: a demon and I make a mistake and get possessed,

650
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: well it was all you know, well and I did

651
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: my best.

652
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: Well you haven't been possessed.

653
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 2: Yet, right, I have it. It's a miracle.

654
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 3: Well, because I'm sure that that's another thing that people

655
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 3: ask you all the time that you speak on in

656
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 3: the book, is is something following you home? I mean,

657
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 3: that's That's always my first thought when I talk to

658
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 3: paranormal investigators is how.

659
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: Do you not have something follow you?

660
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 3: So you say in the book that which I thought

661
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 3: was wonderful, you said that you're enough, and can you

662
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 3: explain that?

663
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 2: Yeah? So people often ask, uh, you know, what what

664
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 2: can I do to protect myself on an investigation? And

665
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: a lot of people like to, you know, say a

666
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 2: prayer before the interest face. So they have like a

667
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 2: special religious metal or a crystal or something that they

668
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,959
Speaker 2: feel is giving them some sort of protection. And that's

669
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: totally fine, and I get that for me though, I

670
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 2: just I I like to feel like I am enough

671
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: to protect myself because say that I walk into a

672
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: place and I forget that, or I forget to say

673
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: the prayer, I forget my crystal, Suddenly I feel weaker.

674
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 2: Like in that instant, I go, oh God, I forgot

675
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 2: to do this, and I have put myself in a

676
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 2: space that makes me more vulnerable. So I encourage people

677
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 2: when they're going into a haunted location to just like

678
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: pump themselves up and go, I don't I am enough?

679
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: And that I mean that really goes for a lot

680
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 2: of things in life. But just make sure when you're

681
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 2: going into a space. You're going in there, you know,

682
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 2: sound mind that you're you know, in a good place,

683
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 2: and just conquer it. But you know, I've definitely had

684
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 2: things follow me home a couple of times, notably the

685
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 2: ghost of a child when I was pregnant and investigating,

686
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: and then once something from Waverley Hills which followed me

687
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 2: back to my hotel room. But now I've kind of

688
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 2: learned to recognize when that's going to happen. Like I

689
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 2: can tell all when we put like struck up a

690
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 2: strong dialogue or the activity is really strong and it's

691
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: very anxious and really eager to communicate. Uh. I usually

692
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 2: say at the end, like, hey, listen, stay here. You

693
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 2: know we're gonna do everything we can to help you,

694
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 2: but you know you're not You're not welcome to follow

695
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: me at this point. Like I just set that out

696
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: there and just let them know that, like everything's fine,

697
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: but just you know, stay here where you like, but

698
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 2: don't come with me. So that's worked. I haven't had

699
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 2: any spirits that decided they were not going to follow

700
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: that ask.

701
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 3: But oh see, that's the part that scares me so much.

702
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 3: It's like when you're off the clock like do not.

703
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 3: But well, so when you're filming and you go back

704
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 3: to your hotel, is there a certain thing that you

705
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 3: do to unwind?

706
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: You know?

707
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 3: Like I was talking to Katrina Wideman and she was

708
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 3: telling me about she loves to watch Golden Girls. I mean,

709
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 3: do you have something like that that helps you to

710
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 3: take your mind off of it when you're in these investigations.

711
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. So Adam and I we always because it's like

712
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 2: getting off work, like you don't just shut off right away,

713
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 2: Like you know, you're getting off work at like three

714
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 2: in the morning, and you're not just you don't just

715
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: go back to the hotel and go to sleep, because

716
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 2: you have that like minute where you need to kind

717
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 2: of digest everything. And so Adam and I always we

718
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: get in our comfy clothes and we meet up in

719
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 2: one of the other's hotel room. We pour a glass

720
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 2: of wine, and we just like talk about everything that happened,

721
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,479
Speaker 2: talk about what we're going to do the next day,

722
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: talk about gossip and line and whatever. In the slumber party,

723
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 2: we basically do, we have a slumber party and then

724
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 2: and then we go about our night. But it's like

725
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 2: we that ritual is really important to us, and sometimes

726
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: we do it in the lobby too, like and sometimes

727
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: the crew will join us or whatever. But there's always

728
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 2: that kind of like decompression moment. Uh. And it's it's

729
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: hugely important. I feel like there have been a few

730
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: times where we haven't been able to do it, and

731
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 2: I can always tell the difference. Mainly I get more sleep,

732
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 2: but I don't feel it's good.

733
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I imagine.

734
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 3: Well, you know something else in the book that I

735
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 3: really liked, and I think it's so great that you

736
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 3: have Adam and again those like you guys are so

737
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 3: much fun together and and so so great as a team.

738
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 3: But I really appreciated that you quoted other people in

739
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 3: the paranormal field, and it seems like you found this

740
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 3: great tribe of like minded investigators.

741
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: I mean, is that what do you what do you

742
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 1: look for in those people?

743
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 2: It's just it's just a kind of meshing of ideas

744
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 2: that happens. And like this this group, like we all

745
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 2: just very naturally gravitated to each other. We all have

746
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: the same interest a lot of our ideas were very different,

747
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,240
Speaker 2: but then we kind of form new ideas together. Uh.

748
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: And they're just like they're like family to me. And

749
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: so I don't necessarily seek out people. I just the

750
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 2: right ones just kind of follow in my lap, you know.

751
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: And that's really what happens with this particular group. And

752
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 2: that's why it was really important for me to not

753
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 2: have my book just be me talking at people, you know,

754
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: telling them how to do things. And I really because

755
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 2: so many of my ideas kind of came from like

756
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: a group effort, it was important for me to quote

757
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 2: all of these people who are dear friends of mine,

758
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 2: so that kind of just like back up my ideas,

759
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 2: but also like show people that this is where these

760
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 2: theories came from, or that there are other theories to

761
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: explore besides the ones that I have. And it's just

762
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 2: like it's such a great group of voices. And it's

763
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 2: also nice because like if anyone wasn't familiar with their

764
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 2: work before, they can go seek them out because they're

765
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: all just like intensely interesting people.

766
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 1: Totally. Can we talk about the next season of Kindred Spirits?

767
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 2: Yes, of course.

768
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 3: So it's coming out like you're coming in hot, like,

769
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 3: what is it the second day of January?

770
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 2: January second, because you know twenty twenty one is when

771
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 2: everything gets better. So we've got to.

772
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 3: Start with us, well, is there, like, you know, is

773
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 3: there anything you can tell us at this point about

774
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 3: the next season.

775
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 2: Let's see, I can tell you that the season premiere

776
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 2: takes place at the Proctor House in Salem, Massachusetts, which

777
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: is the John Procter House, which so we had done

778
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 2: a special with Travel Channel. I think it was last year,

779
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 2: so it must have been twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen,

780
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: I can't remember, and we had like this live special

781
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 2: where we investigated all these different locations in Salem, and

782
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 2: Adam and I were in the Proctor House and so

783
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 2: on my television we had all of these crazy experiences happen,

784
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 2: including Dana new Kirk. Gregan Dana new Kirk are heavily

785
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 2: featured in the book, and she is a hedge witch

786
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 2: and she was doing a tarit reading and twice in

787
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: a row she pulled the devil card on live television.

788
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 2: And we had done this big experiment with a sigil

789
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: where we had people kind of focus on the intention

790
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 2: of the sigil, and people were reporting that like paranormal

791
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 2: activity was happening in their houses because of what we

792
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 2: were doing and they were watching. So it was crazy.

793
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 2: And so we had to get back there. So we

794
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 2: went back that's where the season premiere is, and the

795
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 2: craziest stuff happened and I cannot wait for people to

796
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 2: see it. So yeah, this was one of those instances

797
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 2: where I think that just us going in there, we

798
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 2: kind of opened like up some sort of activity because

799
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 2: the craziest stuff was happening. And then I remember just

800
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 2: kind of having to fall back on Dana and her

801
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: expertise because you know, we're dealing with the witch trials

802
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 2: and so like, I find myself like going from being

803
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: a ghost hunter like to literally like seeking out the

804
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 2: grave of John Proctor, like that's supposedly on the local

805
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 2: high school and I'm sneaking in. They're trying to dig

806
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 2: up some grave dirt for the ceremony she needs to do,

807
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: and so it's a whole different world. But it was

808
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 2: so much fun.

809
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 3: Well that's what I love is that you guys are

810
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 3: definitely like again, taking risks, doing lots of different experiments,

811
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 3: and you know, I know that whenever you're doing things

812
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 3: like that, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't work.

813
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 1: I mean, are there things.

814
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 3: That you're you're working on, you know, maybe you've tried

815
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 3: before and it hasn't quite gotten you what you wanted

816
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 3: as a result, and you know, is there anything like that?

817
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so we're always One of the nice things

818
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 2: about like paranormal television for us is that I think

819
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 2: it kind of forces us to think outside the box

820
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: a lot, because even though obviously we're trying to get

821
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: results for the people we're trying to help and the

822
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 2: spirits we're trying to help, you know, we also don't

823
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 2: want viewers to be watching the same every week, and

824
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 2: so we're always trying to think of like crazy experiments

825
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 2: to try and crazy history to dig into. And I

826
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 2: think honestly that that has challenged just enough to come

827
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: up with some ideas we would never have thought of

828
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 2: just investigating in a normal sense. But that also means

829
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 2: that we've also tried a lot of things that were duds.

830
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 2: So but yeah, I think that I think that you'll

831
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 2: kind of see I think there's a few on the

832
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: season this year. But you know, we're always were always

833
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 2: trying weird different experiments, usually the last minute, much to

834
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: the chagrin of our crew.

835
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 3: One of the things that you guys do that I

836
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 3: think is so great is the astest method and we

837
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 3: talk about EVPs on the show all the time, but

838
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 3: it's never come up on the show. Can you kind

839
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 3: of like explain what's going on there?

840
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's one of my favorite things in the world, honestly.

841
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: So basically, the idea is someone came up with the

842
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 2: idea of a spirit box. So the spirit box is

843
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 2: Frank Assumption actually came up with it, but if anybody

844
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: wants to look him up, it started outs the Frank's Box.

845
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: Now it's the spirit Box and its current incarnation. But

846
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: the idea is that it is this basically a radio

847
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: that sweeps through the AM and FM frequencies, and so

848
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: you're listening to it, it's just kind of going and

849
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 2: it creates a white noise that many people believe spirits

850
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,439
Speaker 2: can kind of manipulate and make words out of. And

851
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: so when you're listening to it just out in the

852
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 2: open with a speaker on it, there's this everyone kind

853
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 2: of looks at each other and they're like, did that

854
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 2: just say that? Yeah? I think that said that. And

855
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 2: you're kind of influenced by the people and the surroundings

856
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: and the questions that are being asked. And so our

857
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 2: friends Carl and Connor, who worked at the Standing Hotel

858
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 2: for a time. They basically came up with this idea

859
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 2: where what if you listened to the spirit Box with

860
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 2: like noise canceling headphones and blindfolded yourself and then had

861
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: someone else ask questions and then you just whatever you're

862
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 2: saying or whatever you're hearing, you just say. So you

863
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,479
Speaker 2: have no idea what questions are being asked. You don't

864
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 2: see anybody, so you can't see the expressions on their faces,

865
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 2: and like read the reactions. You're just saying whatever the

866
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 2: heck comes through those headphones. And the results have been

867
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 2: were very remarkable, Like you know, you're having entire conversations

868
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 2: with these spirits. And so we do that a lot

869
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 2: on Kindred, and we play around with it too, where

870
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 2: we'll go into like different rooms and do it, or

871
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 2: we'll use a walkie talkie to ask the questions, or

872
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 2: we'll have two people doing the ESA's method at once,

873
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 2: you know, and so it's and there's a really powerful

874
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 2: session in that first episode of Kindred too, of season five.

875
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,959
Speaker 2: That's Dana and I are both listening and Greg and

876
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 2: Adam are asking the questions and it's crazy.

877
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems to be very effective and I love

878
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 3: when you guys are like you do that kind of

879
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 3: a thing. You get like a name or something, and

880
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 3: then you go off and you research and then you

881
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 3: find out like who that person is, and then you

882
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 3: kind of put the whole puzzle together. That's that's when

883
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 3: it's Those are my favorite moments of like Kindred Spirits

884
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 3: so good.

885
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 2: Those are our favorite moments. That's what we strive but

886
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 2: we strive to like that's our trifecta. We want evidence

887
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 2: and research and personal experiences all to come together to

888
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 2: match something that's huge. And then if Chip Coffee verifies

889
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 2: it too, that's like the icing on the cake.

890
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you're like research queen, I mean, is there

891
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 3: So let's say somebody thinks they have a ghost in

892
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 3: their house, Like, what do you recommend someone does?

893
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 2: I always say, well, I mean it depends on if

894
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 2: they want to investigate it or if they want to

895
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 2: like get into the history. Like as far as homes go,

896
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 2: the best way to get into the history first is

897
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 2: to pull your deed records, and some of them go

898
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: way way back, and even pulling the records back to

899
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 2: like just the land owners before and that will give

900
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: you a list of names of people who own the

901
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 2: land previously or owned the house previously, and then you

902
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 2: take those names and you dig into like newspaper archives

903
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: online and start just you know, researching them see if

904
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 2: something terrible happened to any of them or like, you know,

905
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 2: and and and use those names to do EVP work

906
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 2: if you want to ask questions things like that. But

907
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 2: that's really just like the very beginning. But it's a

908
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 2: really good start because, like names are some of the

909
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 2: best tools you can have when you're trying to reach

910
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 2: out to a spirit because it shows them that you

911
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 2: you know, you know who they are.

912
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and you know, I think that there's the

913
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 3: story that you mentioned about the conjuring house. You know,

914
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 3: the parents lived and there was you know, people completely

915
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 3: got things wrong about this woman and it's kind of

916
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,439
Speaker 3: become folklore, you know, associated with the house that there's

917
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 3: this woman what was it bad?

918
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 1: That's sea yeah, Ciba, And.

919
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 3: They completely didn't do the research and that's not accurate.

920
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 3: I mean, do you think that How do you feel

921
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 3: about horror movies in terms of paranormal Do you think

922
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 3: that does it harm what you do or give people

923
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 3: the wrong idea all of the time?

924
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I love The Conjuring and that was a

925
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 2: great movie.

926
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: I know, I really like it too, It's so good.

927
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 2: And I think that I think those movies are so fun,

928
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 2: but I think it's just like it's any It's like

929
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 2: any movie, Like anything you watch, there is a Hollywood

930
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 2: like dramatization happening, and so you just have to be

931
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 2: aware of that. And honestly, what we do can be

932
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 2: so much scarier than what you see in movies, because

933
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 2: it really does make you question, you know, what happens

934
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 2: after we die. You know, it's it makes you think

935
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 2: about some really deep stuff sometimes. And so I think that,

936
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 2: like the movies are like fun, but then when you

937
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 2: actually start kind of playing in it, it's a very

938
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 2: different world. And so but I do think it's really

939
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 2: important we get research right. And I don't think the

940
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 2: Warrens did anything wrong, per se. I don't think they

941
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 2: had the tools that we have now, Like we're so

942
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 2: lucky to have all of these records archived and available

943
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 2: to us electronically, so like even in the middle of

944
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 2: a pandemic, I can find out everything I need to know.

945
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 2: But you know, we do have to think about the

946
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 2: fact that you know, like Bethshiva Sherman. She's kind of

947
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 2: like become the poster child for what can happen when

948
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 2: you do get it wrong. You know, she can't even

949
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 2: have her gravestone up in the cemetery. It gets vandalized constantly,

950
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 2: and so the Historical Society had to remove it and

951
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 2: they put it in an undisclosed location. And that's sad.

952
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 2: You know, this was a woman who just kind of

953
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 2: lived out her days. She was a family person, had

954
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 2: kids and a husband. They lives on a farm. But

955
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 2: at some point hundreds of years later, someone declared that

956
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 2: she was a witch who killed babies, and none of

957
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 2: which was verified, and the Historical Society fights it to

958
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 2: this day. And so it was really like when we

959
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 2: had that episode come out, we actually invited the Historical

960
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 2: Society to come watch it with us at the house

961
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 2: because we just really wanted to stress to them that

962
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 2: it was important for us to get that story right.

963
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: Oh that's great.

964
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 3: I was reading in that part like the woman or

965
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 3: a person that used to own the house was like yelling, oh.

966
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, she showed up in the driveway. I mean, I'm

967
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 2: sure she's well, I mean I think her life got

968
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 2: turned upside down when that movie came out, so she

969
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 2: was just like angry. But you know, she did go

970
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 2: on Ghost Hunters and say her house was haunted and

971
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 2: have the team investigate. And so at that point, you

972
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 2: can't show up to the house years later and declare

973
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 2: it that nothing ever happened to you there. And so yeah,

974
00:52:54,680 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 2: she showed up in the driveway just screaming at us.

975
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: And so what happened was Chip Coffee was just pulling

976
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 2: up to do his reading. And when we bring Chip Coffee,

977
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 2: and we bring him in completely cold, meaning that he

978
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 2: has no idea where we're going. He just knows, like

979
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 2: he gets like to the hotel, and then we have

980
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 2: him meet a crew member at like a local wal

981
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 2: Mart or something, and then they drive him over like

982
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 2: he has no idea where he's going. And so this

983
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 2: was the case for the Conjuring house. And so he

984
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 2: pulls up to the house and we're filming that scene,

985
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 2: and that woman showed up right then and just started

986
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 2: screaming at everybody. Clearly gave away our location to Chip

987
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 2: because he really didn't know. And so you'll notice when

988
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 2: we are filming that first scene, I go, well, Chip,

989
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 2: clearly you know where we are because like you know,

990
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 2: like the pat's out of the bag. And I just

991
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 2: was like, I'm sure you recognize this place, because it

992
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 2: was like, well we can't, you know, we can't go

993
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 2: in and pretend this is a cold reading because it's not.

994
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 3: But he did seem pretty shocked that you guys had

995
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 3: the original parent family members there.

996
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: Which was so cool.

997
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 3: Well so with the Warrens and you know, in the

998
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 3: seventies and you mentioned Sylvia Brown and then ghost Hunters,

999
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 3: which of course you were involved with.

1000
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: Where do you see you know, the paranormal going at

1001
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: this point, you.

1002
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,760
Speaker 2: Know, I'm not sure. I feel like people are now

1003
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 2: starting to look at spirits is less of a novelty

1004
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 2: and more of like a human like a human entity.

1005
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 2: And so historically, after like major you know, events or disasters, uh,

1006
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 2: the interest in the paranormal rises considerably, Like you know,

1007
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 2: after the Civil War, especially that gave birth to a

1008
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 2: lot of fraudulent mediums and spirit photographers and things because

1009
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 2: people had lost so many family members they were desperate

1010
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 2: for answers and and so I wouldn't say that everything

1011
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 2: that happened then was not true, but a lot of

1012
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 2: it was. But what that but at that point, people

1013
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 2: were desperately reaching out to their loved ones. It wasn't

1014
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 2: just fun for them, like when they were doing these

1015
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 2: seances and things, they really wanted to get in touch

1016
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 2: with people who they had lost so tragically. And so

1017
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 2: I do predict that once this is all over, I

1018
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 2: think we are you know, and already I'm seeing people

1019
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 2: are just very interested in the paranormal in the afterlife

1020
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 2: because we're being you know, we're kind of blissfully unaware before,

1021
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 2: but now we're like being faced with our own mortality

1022
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 2: on a daily basis. You know. It's it's you know,

1023
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 2: we're we're constantly living in fear of getting this virus,

1024
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 2: and that that weighs on you and it makes you

1025
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 2: start thinking about things. And I think that that is

1026
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 2: I think that people are going to I think there

1027
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 2: is going to be a big in a big rise

1028
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 2: in the interests of the paranormal, even before this is

1029
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 2: all over, or just because people want answers and they're

1030
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 2: going to start trying to think outside the box and

1031
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 2: just you know, try to figure out what happens next

1032
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 2: or where do things go next.

1033
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: Well, there also seems to I mean this sort of related.

1034
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:15,959
Speaker 3: There seems to be a lot of people this year

1035
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 3: that have been like, oh, turns out my house is

1036
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 3: haunted now that I've been here for hours. So I

1037
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 3: don't know, maybe that could contribute as well to the introes.

1038
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 2: Yes, and so a lot of what I talk about

1039
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 2: in the book is how I do feel like a

1040
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 2: lot of our paranormal experiences come from us and our

1041
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 2: intentions and our energy, and so I do think that

1042
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 2: that rise in activity could be and I talked about

1043
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 2: this a lot in the last chapter. It could be

1044
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 2: just directly affiliated with people being stressed, like collectively stressed

1045
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 2: all over the world. And if anything, the spirit's feeling

1046
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 2: that too, like they're like what is going on? You know,

1047
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 2: like they sense a shift, and so maybe they're kind

1048
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 2: of waking up a bit too.

1049
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: You know.

1050
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 2: There was one case we did this season and kind

1051
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 2: of unintentionally, like we didn't realize this happened, but the

1052
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 2: location we were at was the site of like a

1053
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 2: a field hospital for the Spanish flu, and they were

1054
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 2: having this uptick of activity, and it dawned on us like, well, obviously,

1055
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 2: like suddenly these spirits are seeing everyone wearing masks again,

1056
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 2: and they're like, what is going on, you know. Oh yeah,

1057
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 2: so there's just little things like that. I think that

1058
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 2: are contributing to a lot of experiences. And people were

1059
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 2: just home more and they've never really stopped and listened

1060
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 2: to their house.

1061
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean, so what's going on with Strange Escapes?

1062
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 3: There is there going to be some events in twenty

1063
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 3: twenty one planned.

1064
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 2: Yes, we're very hope hopeful. We're going to start announcing

1065
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 2: events against soon, starting with them Mount Washington Hotel in April.

1066
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 3: I loved learning about that place in your book. I

1067
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 3: didn't know much about it, and it sounds so cool.

1068
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 2: I already would love it. I'm obsessed with it. I

1069
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 2: go there whenever I can, and so we'll go back

1070
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 2: there in April hopefully, and we have a cruise plan

1071
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 2: for late June, and you know, then we have just

1072
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 2: a lot of things like later in twenty twenty one

1073
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 2: we're going to start announcing and it's you know, it's

1074
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 2: hard because none of this is predictable, but Strange Escapes

1075
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 2: does need to get back to business, and so we're

1076
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 2: going to just do our best. And we were ready

1077
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 2: to have an event in Thesoury. We had all of

1078
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,919
Speaker 2: these COVID precautions in place. We had like on site

1079
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 2: rapid testing, like we were ready, Yeah, and then Missouri

1080
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 2: closed down events.

1081
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: So can you explain to the listeners what that is.

1082
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 2: So Strength Escapes is basically a haunted travel company that

1083
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 2: I own. And the idea is that you go on

1084
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 2: a paranormal vacation, but we're not like going into abandoned

1085
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Speaker 2: prisons and stuff. It's usually like either like a kind

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Speaker 2: of a resort town or historical town, or like a

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Speaker 2: really like the Mount Washington Hotel, which is a big

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Speaker 2: grand hotel from the early nineteen hundreds, and it's a

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Speaker 2: full weekend of like cocktail parties and lectures and actual

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Speaker 2: like paranormal investigations. And I try to like pair together

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Speaker 2: all the things I love the most, which is, you know,

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Speaker 2: socializing weird people who think the same as me, looking

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Speaker 2: for ghosts, wine parties. Like so we have like mask

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Speaker 2: rade balls, we have, I mean there's a lot that

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Speaker 2: happens at them. And I used to be an event

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Speaker 2: planner and said, this is just one of those things

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Speaker 2: that it's kind of just using the skills that I

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00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 2: had in my former normal life and putting them to

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Speaker 2: use here and They're so much fun. This year has

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Speaker 2: been devastating for me in that regard, Like I just

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00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 2: missed them so much because they're all my you know,

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Speaker 2: we had so many regulars and all of my speakers,

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Speaker 2: and so I just can't wait to get back out there.

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Speaker 3: Well, what I think about scary things? You guys went

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Speaker 3: to the Bermuda Triangle. That sounds like a whole other

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Speaker 3: level of terrifying to me.

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Speaker 1: Were you scared of that?

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Speaker 2: Uh? No, I I was curious. We did have some

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Speaker 2: really interesting experiences out there. But yeah, So we took

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Speaker 2: a cruise through the Bermuda Triangle and then we did

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01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 2: all of these kind of intention experiments and things out

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Speaker 2: on the deck as we were cruising through the Bermuda Triangle,

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Speaker 2: and so weird stuff happened. There was one point where

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Speaker 2: like we're in the middle of the ocean and thousands

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Speaker 2: of dragonflies came out of nowhere and started like landing

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Speaker 2: on people and landing on like the ship deck and

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Speaker 2: stuff as we were doing this experiment. So, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: there's weird things going on up there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And there's like no way that that could happen,

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Speaker 3: I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: I mean there might be some scientific like I'm sure

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01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 2: someone will come to me and tell me that, you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe they migrate or something. I don't know, but at

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Speaker 2: that moment it felt very, very magical.

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Speaker 3: So do you have an idea of what's going on

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Speaker 3: out there or do you have any ideas?

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Speaker 2: I know, I mean I was obsessed with it when

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Speaker 2: I was a kid. I did a lot of reading

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Speaker 2: on it, and I mean there's a lot of theories

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Speaker 2: that there's just some sort of kind of magnetism issue

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01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 2: there that causes compasses and equipment to fail and that's

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01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 2: why so many like planes and ships and things have

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01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 2: gone missing out there. But then there's also all this

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01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 2: new evidence that just came out from from the military

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01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 2: about like things coming out of the ocean and stuff.

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Speaker 2: So maybe there's some weird aliens out there. You have

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Speaker 2: to look that up. If you haven't looked it up,

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Speaker 2: it's terrifying.

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Speaker 3: But well, thank you so much for doing this. I

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Speaker 3: think we should wrap it up. You've been so generous

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Speaker 3: with your time. Can you tell people you know where

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Speaker 3: they can get the book and everything?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the book is available anywhere books are sold.

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01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 2: I know a lot of like local bookstores and stuff

1145
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 2: are sold out, but she should be able to order

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01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 2: it through them. Otherwise It's on Amazon, Barnes and Noble,

1147
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 2: and then just I'm on social media all over the

1148
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 2: place at Amy Rudy and you can just kind of

1149
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 2: keep tabs on what we're doing. But yeah, Kindred Spirits

1150
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Speaker 2: comes back January twod at ten ninth Central on Travel Channel.

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Speaker 3: Well, I also, when I was reading the book, one

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Speaker 3: more thing, I gathered that you might be like a

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Speaker 3: disney Land or Disney Haunted mansion fan.

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Speaker 1: I caught a couple of little references. Am I right?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm obsessed with Disney. We go to Disney multiple

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Speaker 2: times a year. It is, it is. And I swore

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01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 2: up and down when I had my child that she

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Speaker 2: would never go to Disney because it was just like

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Speaker 2: way too like consumerism and commercialized and I would never

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Speaker 2: do such a thing. And then I actually went there

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01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, this is magical. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: just like live this now.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, I hope you get to do that soon.

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Speaker 3: Are you the Are you disney Land, Disney World or where.

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Speaker 2: I go to World? Because I'm on the East coast

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01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 2: and it's just a two hour flight, but we have

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Speaker 2: been during the pandemic. Went in October and it was

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Speaker 2: very sick and it was very fun. I went with

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Speaker 2: Adam actually and his husband, and my friend Julie who

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Speaker 2: helped me write the book, and all of us went

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Speaker 2: together and Charlotte obviously my daughter, and we had so

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Speaker 2: much fun.

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Speaker 1: Do you get vibes that it might be haunted?

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Speaker 2: It has to be, Like I can't imagine not being haunted.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you think about ghosts going back to

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Speaker 2: the place where they were the happiest in their life,

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Speaker 2: Like how many people were at their absolute happiest at

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Speaker 2: disney World, like so many so and people spread ashes

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Speaker 2: in the Haunted Mansion all the time. There has to

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Speaker 2: be ghosts there, and some day day there will be

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Speaker 2: someone from Disney World who hears me and here's my

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01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 2: call and allows me to investigate it, even if I

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Speaker 2: don't tell anybody, but it.

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Speaker 3: Has to happen, right well, I know they're pretty private

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Speaker 3: about that kind of a thing. I did talk to

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Speaker 3: somebody that was a former employee of the Haunted Mansion

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Speaker 3: at Disneyland. They told me that they had multiple experiences

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Speaker 3: in there. She told me that there was a little

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Speaker 3: boy running around and they had closed down the ride

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Speaker 3: and she was like, little boy, you gotta you know,

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01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 3: come and then of course he disappears.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, Disneyland is there's a lot of stories of

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Speaker 2: Disneyland too. I'll investigate there too, Like I would love

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Speaker 2: to get up into Walt's apartment, which is supposedly very haunted.

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Speaker 2: Like there's so my friend Julie who wrote the book

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Speaker 2: with me, she has written and she is actually the

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Speaker 2: Disney editor for the sf Gate and she has so

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Speaker 2: many articles that come out about Disney, but also she

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Speaker 2: writes a lot about paranormal Disney, especially around Halloween. She

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Speaker 2: has got some stories to tell.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Amy Bruney. I apologize. I clearly am I

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Speaker 3: have like a paranormal crush on her, so especially the

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Speaker 3: first like five ish minutes of that conversation, I'm just

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01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 3: like hitting on her in like a paranormal.

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Speaker 1: Admiration kind of away.

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Speaker 3: So sorry you had to witness that, but that was

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Speaker 3: a great time. And if you want to hear more,

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Speaker 3: go to patreon dot com slash Wills Dressfles. We have

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Speaker 3: got a bonus clip and this week we're talking about

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01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 3: cryptid creatures. We're talking about UFOs. It's it's fun, so

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Speaker 3: go check that out. And I so appreciate everyone that's

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Speaker 3: on my Patreon. It's only five dollars a month, well

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Speaker 3: the first tier is and it helps me out so

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Speaker 3: much as I cannot work right now, so thank you.

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Speaker 3: And it's been so great connecting with people and being

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Speaker 3: able to create content. And I'm on that Stereo app,

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Speaker 3: so basically you just download Stereo wherever we get your apps,

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Speaker 3: look for me Roz dress Fales, and then you can

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01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 3: check out my shows that I'm doing on there, and

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Speaker 3: you know, as always, check out the merch. I've got

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Speaker 3: the link in my bio on Instagram. If you can't

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Speaker 3: find it, send me an email a ghosted by rosigmail

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Speaker 3: dot com. I'll send you the link or you know,

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Speaker 3: also to that email a dress You could send me

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Speaker 3: ghost stories. You could send me suggestions of guests or

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Speaker 3: anything fun that you want me to talk about. Please

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Speaker 3: give me five stars on Apple Podcasts. I always appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: And you know, if you have a ghost or you

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Speaker 3: could leave it there, or you could just write something

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Speaker 3: nice about me. You could join our Facebook group Ghosted

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Speaker 3: by Roz dress Fales and follow me on Instagram at

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Speaker 3: Roz dress fales also guess what next week is. Next

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Speaker 3: week is the two year anniversary of Ghosted, so you

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Speaker 3: know what I gotta I should definitely do like a

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Speaker 3: quote unquote live show. So I will definitely be doing

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Speaker 3: something like that next week on stereo, So stay tuned

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Speaker 3: for that. And I love you both living and dead.

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Speaker 1: But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't

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