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Speaker 1: This is the most traumatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, Chris Harrison coming to you from the home

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Speaker 1: office in Austin, Texas. Today's show is I'm just letting

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Speaker 1: you know off the bat, it's going to be emotional, meaningful,

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Speaker 1: and powerful. If you don't know who Kevin Hines is,

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Speaker 1: he's my guest today. And if you don't know, it's okay,

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Speaker 1: because honestly, I had no idea I was out in California.

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Speaker 1: I love to host events. I'm hosting one this weekend

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Speaker 1: for Sergio Garcia, the golfer, and his wife Angela, for

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Speaker 1: four kids. It's one of the things I feel like

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Speaker 1: I can do with my time and my talent. I

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Speaker 1: can't sing, I can't dance, but I love to host events.

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Speaker 1: I do auctions. I do it all because I feel

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Speaker 1: like that's one way that Elz and I can really

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Speaker 1: give back. And so I host a lot of events

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Speaker 1: throughout the year. And there's one that I have hosted

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Speaker 1: for several years now out in Monterey, California. It's for

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Speaker 1: the AIM. It's the AIM Gal. It's for the AIM Foundation,

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Speaker 1: which is for youth mental health suicide prevention. Something that's

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Speaker 1: kind of near and dear to Elsie and I's heart.

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Speaker 1: There's another big foundation that we always support, the Grant

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Speaker 1: Haliburton Foundation out of Dallas, Texas, which was started by

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Speaker 1: a family that was really close to my family. But

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Speaker 1: the am Gala I met through friends, and I really

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Speaker 1: love what they do, and so I started supporting them

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Speaker 1: and hosting their galap So this year, Elsie and I

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Speaker 1: went up to host and I was going through the

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Speaker 1: keynote speaker and it was Kevin Hines. And I'll be honest,

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Speaker 1: I was completely ignorant. I did not know Kevin. I

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Speaker 1: didn't know his story, and I started googling and doing

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Speaker 1: some research because I wanted to be a little educated

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Speaker 1: on who I was introducing, and my jaw dropped. I

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Speaker 1: sat there for an hour reading Kevin's story and the

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Speaker 1: nuts and bolts of it is this. Kevin Hines attempted

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Speaker 1: to take his life back in nineteen ninety four by

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Speaker 1: jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge, but he lived, and

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Speaker 1: he lived to tell the story, and that is the

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Speaker 1: impetus for everything that has happened since. He is now

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Speaker 1: an award winning author, speaker. He speaks around the world

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Speaker 1: on suicide, suicide prevention, on hope, on the ripple effect

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Speaker 1: of suicide, and just mental health in general. Guys, when

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Speaker 1: I heard Kevin talk, first of all, you could have

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Speaker 1: heard a pen drop in the room. He had everybody

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Speaker 1: most wonderful human being. To say nothing of what a

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Speaker 1: great speaker he is, just what an amazing human I

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Speaker 1: was so moved when he walked off the stage. I

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Speaker 1: have to ask him about this because I felt well. Later,

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Speaker 1: I thought, did I just hug him? I didn't know

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Speaker 1: what to say, and I literally just grabbed him and

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Speaker 1: I gave him a hug, and we just hugged each

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Speaker 1: other for like ten or fifteen seconds, and I just said,

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Speaker 1: I love you, I support you, I'm your friend. I've

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Speaker 1: never met you, but I am now one of those

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Speaker 1: people that are in your corner and will always be

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Speaker 1: there for you. Kevin still battles with so much, including depression,

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Speaker 1: including suicidal thoughts, how he lives with it on the daily,

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Speaker 1: how he's recovered, and how he speaks about this event

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Speaker 1: in his life. It just moved me so much that

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Speaker 1: the first thing I said Kevin, you have to come

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Speaker 1: on this podcast. We have to have this discussion. It's

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Speaker 1: an important topic for me and I don't know if

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Speaker 1: there is a human being in the world that is

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Speaker 1: more equipped to talk about today's subject. And I just

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Speaker 1: going to talk about. We're going to talk about his

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Speaker 1: suicide attempt. We're going to talk talk about living through it,

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Speaker 1: I just want to give you fair warning. But I

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Speaker 1: do think this is going to be positive. I want

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Speaker 1: you to know and we're what we can learn from this.

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Speaker 1: And so I hope that if you know someone who's

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Speaker 1: So today's guest, maybe the most important guest we have

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Speaker 1: ever had on this podcast, my now very good friend

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Speaker 2: Hello, how are you, Chris.

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Speaker 1: As I just said to all the listeners, my now

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Speaker 1: very good friend Kevin Hines, Yes, very good friend.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely you bet.

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Speaker 1: Kevin. Do you remember so the night you spoke in California.

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Speaker 1: You walked off the stage. I didn't know you. We

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Speaker 1: I know it lasted awkwardly, a little too long, but

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Speaker 1: I was just like, oh, I said, Chris.

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Speaker 2: Chris, wait a minute, because twenty three second hugs release

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Speaker 2: I think we did it.

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Speaker 1: I think we did. I just said, I just said, hey, man,

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Speaker 1: so I love you for it. And I thought, man,

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Speaker 1: if you would just please come on this podcast and

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Speaker 1: let's talk about your message and what you have been through,

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Speaker 1: because as I just spoke to the listeners, I said,

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Speaker 1: you know, there was nobody more equipped on the face

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Speaker 1: of the earth than you to talk about depression, suicide, prevention,

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Speaker 1: how we can survive each day and get through these moments.

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Speaker 1: So thank you for being here, my friend, Chris.

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Speaker 2: The thanks is all mine. You're giving me a wonderful

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Speaker 2: me that we hope helps a lot of people. So

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Speaker 2: what a gift.

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Speaker 1: And we will talk about the documentary suicide the Ripple

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Speaker 1: but let's go back. And I know this is a

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Speaker 1: story you've told many times. And by the way, for

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Speaker 1: everyone listening, I've talked to Kevin. It's okay. He will

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Speaker 1: That's one thing I love about you is you are

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Speaker 1: So you jumped off the Golden Gate bridge. Take me

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Speaker 1: to that day. What I was also curious about something

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Speaker 2: It's self awareness. I took a bus first, I take

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Speaker 2: hatred that came from severe paranoia, major forms of depression,

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Speaker 2: Hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people around the

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Speaker 2: I've met people that say their their voices tell them

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: The problem, Chris is that I was surrounded at home

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Speaker 2: recognize that I could only see, feel, here, touch and

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Speaker 2: know immeasurable pain. And at this point in the conversation,

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Speaker 2: I always ask people, and I'll ask you, Chris. I

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Speaker 2: but I want to ask you one question. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: this is important for the audience to understand. Who don't

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Speaker 2: get suicidal ideation? Chris, what is the one thing you

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Speaker 2: want to happen when you find yourself an excruciating physical pain?

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Speaker 2: What do you want that pain to do?

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Speaker 2: Stop, go away, and or leave. That's physical pain.

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Speaker 1: Right a bunch of tourists, people going to see the bridge.

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Speaker 2: And literally, Chris, there was nobody left on the bus

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Speaker 1: How old are you at this time? I was nineteen

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And bikers and joggers and runners and tourists and

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Speaker 2: This is wrong. You can't do this. Find a phone,

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Speaker 1: And as you saw her walk away, that was like

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Speaker 2: And at this moment I said to myself, absolutely no

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Speaker 1: You did, and we all raised our hands, every one

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Speaker 2: But there is a blockage on both sides. There's a

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I give her as many tools and techniques

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Speaker 1: So you make the decision to jump, you have that access,

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Speaker 2: Instantaneous regret from my actions and this one recognition that

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Speaker 2: off the Golden Gate Bridge, and look, the bridge Directorate

435
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Speaker 2: would like to tell the bridge authority who own and

436
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 2: run the bridge, would like to tell you that eighteen

437
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 2: hundred people have jumped off the bridge and died. That

438
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 2: number is ridiculous that was recorded at least twenty years ago.

439
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 2: They are not counting anymore. They haven't been counting for

440
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Speaker 2: a long time. They don't count the people that wash

441
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 2: away to see, never to be found. They don't count

442
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 2: the people that are eating by fish to the bone.

443
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 2: They don't count the people they find less than sixty

444
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 2: percent of the body, because when you hit those waters,

445
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 2: your limbs could be severed. The water is so sharp.

446
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 2: They don't count the people that wash away to see.

447
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 2: They don't count so many people. And when the bridge

448
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 2: directorate came out and said it was eighteen hundred people,

449
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: the marine corner who saw the bodies, a good friend

450
00:24:54,080 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 2: of mine, Ken Holmes, and the bridge patrol officers would

451
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 2: say when the Golden Gate Bridge District authority would tell

452
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 2: us that thirty forty people go off the Golden Gate Bridge,

453
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: it was more like sixty year higher. Count that for

454
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Speaker 2: ninety years.

455
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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, So.

456
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Speaker 2: In any event, back to the story at hand.

457
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Speaker 1: That you were saying, your first thought was immediate regret.

458
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Speaker 2: I regret. I coined that phrase in an Examiner article

459
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Speaker 2: when I first started talking about it, and after that,

460
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 2: nineteen of the twenty six remaining Golden gate Bridge jump

461
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 2: survivors the majority everyone else just didn't talk about it.

462
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 2: But nineteen forward to all say they had the same

463
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 2: exact instant regret that I had the moment their hands

464
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 2: left the rail, and that tells us a great deal

465
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Speaker 2: about it.

466
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Speaker 1: I was just say, what is our takeaway from that?

467
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Speaker 2: Yeah, think about it, Chris, Like, what about every other

468
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 2: mean of suicide? What about the people that had moments

469
00:25:55,560 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 2: before they actually passed away? What were they thinking? And

470
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 2: I have met thousands of suicide attempt survivors that have

471
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 2: attempted in all kinds of means that had the exact

472
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 2: same instint regret at the moment they thought they were

473
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 2: going to die. It's undeniable and it's tragic because if

474
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 2: we could just get to them in time, and I

475
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 2: don't mean the people who love them, I mean like society,

476
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 2: If society could change the narrative on suicide, if society

477
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 2: at large could say, you're not crazy, you're not a

478
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: psycho like they used to call me. You've got issues

479
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 2: you need to deal with, that you need to treat,

480
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: and that you need to heal from and find recovery,

481
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: and we're going to help you do it. At large,

482
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 2: but we you know, Chris, we spend this country I

483
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 2: think spends fifty times the amount of money on smallpox

484
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 2: a year then it on suicidevention and mental health. I'm

485
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: part Black. More seven to ten year old Black children

486
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 2: are dying by suicide than every before in the history

487
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: of the world. How does this seven year old child

488
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: how to take their life? Its my mind, It wrecks

489
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 2: my soul every day. I've been screaming from the mountaintops

490
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 2: for twenty three years, but sometimes I feel it. Not

491
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 2: here on your platform, but sometimes I feel like nobody's listening,

492
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 2: you know. And that's coming from a guy whose videos

493
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 2: have reached three billion people and over two hundred thousand

494
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 2: and counting have said this story saved their life. And

495
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 2: that's a gift and I'm grateful for it. But when

496
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 2: are we going to reduce the numbers of the human

497
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 2: race of suicide as a whole? And I'm not the

498
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 2: only one doing this. There's now thousands of mental advocates,

499
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 2: self proclaimed mental advocates across social media across the globe

500
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 2: doing the work trying to help make it change. And

501
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 2: let's make no mistake about it, They're making a difference.

502
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 2: A person to person changing and helping to save lives.

503
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: But we're not mental health experts. If we had mentalth experts,

504
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,959
Speaker 2: there would be no mental health problems. If we had

505
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 2: suicide prevention experts, there would be no suicide. So I'm

506
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 2: never gonna label myself that I am on a journey

507
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 2: trying to help as many people as humanly possible, find

508
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 2: a way to be here tomorrow every day after that,

509
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 2: and talk about their immense, immeasurable pain and stop silencing it.

510
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 2: That's the biggest problem I think people have. Yeah, I

511
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 2: think that's the biggest issue is we get into this,

512
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 2: We get stuck into this recidivistic cycle of suiciddle thinking,

513
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 2: and then we decide to shut ourselves off and to

514
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,719
Speaker 2: silence ourselves and to not tell anyone for fear of

515
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: how they will judge us. But if we are going

516
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 2: to go forward and be vulnerable and talk truth about

517
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 2: our suiticidil ideations, we can't be met with aggression. We

518
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 2: can't be met with anger, we can't be.

519
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: Met with judgment, skepticism.

520
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, yeah, you know you don't feel that way.

521
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: It's all in your head. No, we need to be

522
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 2: met with love, compassion, care, empathy and a total lack

523
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: of judgment and then steps to get better. And that's

524
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: that's what I've developed over the years, is that I

525
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 2: created a ten step plan that thousands of people utilize

526
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: called the Art of Wellness two point zero. It's ten

527
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 2: steps that I didn't invent. I didn't tell a novel idea,

528
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: and it make them up. They are science packed, evidence informed,

529
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 2: proven ways to benefit brain health, to change your life.

530
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: And I'll say it again but just if you're listening

531
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: right now and you're like, oh my god, I need this,

532
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: go to at Kevin Hines story. That's at Kevin Hines

533
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: Story and you can find all this information. I'll say

534
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: it again later, but if I just for people listening,

535
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: if you're like, I need this now, I wanted to

536
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: get that out there. So Kevin, you you you do

537
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: make that jump, and ninety nine point nine that is

538
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: the real number. Ninety nine point nine percent of the

539
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: people who jump off that bridge. You reach terminal velocity

540
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: and you hit that water. And for those people that

541
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: don't know, hitting water is not like hitting a pillow.

542
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: You're it's you might as well hit a brick wall.

543
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: Water is very hard. I know that sounds weird, but

544
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: that's the physics of it. Did you just freakishly hit

545
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: at the perfect angle of somehow? I know you still

546
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: suffered massive internal damage, but you somehow survive this.

547
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 2: So I'm very careful when I answer that question because

548
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 2: I want to I don't want once again, I don't

549
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: want to encourage people. Right, I will say, is this

550
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 2: you hit it fifteen thousand pounds of pressure. That's a

551
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: giant African elephant standing on your chest. The people who

552
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: have survived fell in the exact same way.

553
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: Okay, I won't say, hey, yeah, yeah, it doesn't matter.

554
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't matter. But what people don't understand. And

555
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: I was written to by a good friend of mine

556
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 2: who's in my film sus Said the Ripple Effect. Marcus

557
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: Butler shared with me a spoken word poem he wrote

558
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: years after he had seen fifty seven dead bodies under

559
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 2: the Golden Gate Bridge. He saw the worst of the worst.

560
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 2: He saw all kinds of stuff, and it gave him severe,

561
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 2: severe PTSD and he is finally finding himself and finding

562
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: hope again. But he wrote it. He wrote a letter

563
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 2: to me, and he was worried about sending it to me,

564
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: but he wrote it to me, and he said, Kevin,

565
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: I help you understand. I want to share this with

566
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 2: people somehow. This is what happens when you jump off

567
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: the Golden gate Bridge. And I won't go into it,

568
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 2: but there are tens of ways to die off of

569
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: the Golden gate Bridge and they're all slow and violent, very.

570
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: Violent, but you survive. And look, if you are a

571
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: if you would believe in any higher being, you got

572
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: to hear this miracle story of Kevin's because you're there,

573
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: you're probably if you're not unconscious, you're somewhat unconscious from

574
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: the blow. There is no way you are swimming or

575
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: staying afloat. How did you stay afloat? That is the

576
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: most incredible miracle story of God just deciding it is

577
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: not your time yet.

578
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like you, Chris, I have a firm

579
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: belief and faith in God. I always have, always will

580
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: to each their own. That said in the water, I

581
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 2: was going down. I couldn't get back to the surface.

582
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: I had surfaced and I was going down, couldn't get

583
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: back the surface, And I thought, this is it. I'm

584
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: gonna drown. It's over. What have I done? I don't

585
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: want to die. God, please save me, and at that moment,

586
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 2: at that moment, I said that something began circling beneath me.

587
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 2: It was very large, very slimy, and very alive, and

588
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 2: I panicked. I thought it was a shark, and those

589
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: are great white breeding grounds. So I'm punching my one

590
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: good arm, like this guy's skin's gonna eat me, and

591
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 2: I'm done. I didn't dive, jump it off the gold

592
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 2: and get bridge shark, It's gonna eat me perfect And

593
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 2: so it turns out it was no shark. I was

594
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 2: on a television program on ABC News with John Kinyonez,

595
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: who doesn't show what you do. It was on Primetime

596
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 2: Live when he did that, and he asked me the question,

597
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: you know what happened in the water? I said, I

598
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: thought them was a shark beneath me in the water. Well.

599
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 2: The show went viral online when they put it out

600
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 2: to the world, and one man wrote back. Morgan I

601
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 2: won't say his last name wrote back and said, Kevin,

602
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 2: I'm so very glad you're alive. I was standing less

603
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 2: than two feet away from me when you jumped. Until

604
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: this day watching this show, no one would tell me

605
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: whether you lived or died. It's hanted me until right now.

606
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: By the way, Kevin, there was no shark like you mentioned.

607
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 2: You thought there was on the show, but there absolutely was.

608
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 2: And I'll show you here a sea lion. And that's

609
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: Herbert the sea lion on my shirt, who's my spirit

610
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: animal and and uh and who saved my life that

611
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 2: day and did not leave from beneath me until the

612
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: Coastguard boat pulled up behind me.

613
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: And he lifted you, literally lifted you at the surface,

614
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: swam under you, and pushed you up.

615
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 2: I was deep in the water, and he butted me,

616
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: butt me, butt me, butt me up. He was circling

617
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 2: beneath my shoulders, my elbows and my knees, and eventually

618
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: I was just lying on the water, immobile basically, with

619
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: this thing just nudging me.

620
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: Come on and.

621
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: Call that what you want. That is very, very personal miracle.

622
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: And I was always in forever believe that God saved

623
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: my life that day.

624
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: Well if if, if you don't call it divine intervention,

625
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what else you would call that. I

626
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: could go on for hours with you, but I want,

627
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: I want to, because there's more to this story and

628
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: your background and all that. But what I really want

629
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: to do too is move forward for people that are

630
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: out there, and I want to go back over the

631
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 1: two sides of this. Number One, if you are listening

632
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: and you are struggling, if you are where Kevin was,

633
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: If you have suicidal thoughts, and I know you still

634
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: have suicidal thoughts, what is your advice? What steps immediately

635
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:31,240
Speaker 1: should we be taking.

636
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're in that position, you're in that mindset,

637
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 2: you're thinking of suicide, you're maybe making plans. Stop, take

638
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 2: a breath, Do four to forty resonance breadths into your

639
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 2: nose four seconds, hold four seconds, release eight seconds, like

640
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 2: ap purse lips, like a whistle of no sound. Do

641
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: that up to forty times if you can. It lowers panic, stress,

642
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 2: adrenaline and shock and anxiety. Bring your body to a

643
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: comp right now, give yourself time and hear me. Number one,

644
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 2: there's a two pronged technique I use every time suicidal

645
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 2: that I teach to everyone I know that is suicidal,

646
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 2: that works around the world and is now right now

647
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: working for my sister who's struggling. Two pronged technique. Find

648
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 2: a mirror, any mirror, anywhere, Look into that mirror and

649
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: repeat this. My thoughts do not have to become my actions.

650
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 2: They can simply be my thoughts. If they're dangerous to

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Speaker 2: myself or others. My thoughts do not have to become

652
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 2: my actions. They can simply be my thoughts. They don't

653
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: have to own, rule or define what I do next.

654
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Speaker 2: And the second thing you must do, and the most

655
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Speaker 2: important thing, is turn to anyone in front of you,

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Speaker 2: whether you know them from Adam or not, and say

657
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Speaker 2: four simple but very effective words with the right person,

658
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 2: I need help now. The difference between me and people

659
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Speaker 2: who die by suicide and attempt and I have an

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Speaker 2: attempt to in twenty four years is because I do

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Speaker 2: not stop saying I need help now until one person

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00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: is willing to answer the call. I have been at

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Speaker 2: the Atlanta Airport. I have stopped a TSA agent. I

664
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: have said I need help now. He was like, what

665
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 2: do you mean, buddy, I said suicidal. He took me

666
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Speaker 2: to a locked room, brought three police officers, two security guards.

667
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 2: I was almost on the no fly list, but he

668
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 2: got me to my wife. My cell phone had dad,

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Speaker 2: and he got me to safety. I need help now,

670
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 2: is the answer. Ask it every time, and you know, look,

671
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: we're not just talking the talk. We're walking the walk.

672
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 2: My family and I started the Bridge Rail Foundation, and

673
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 2: my wife and I were founding board members. My dad

674
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Speaker 2: was the founding board member along with Paul Muller and

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Speaker 2: Dave Hall. Dave Haull lost his thirteen year old daughter

676
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Speaker 2: of the bridge. We fought for the better part of

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00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 2: twenty years to raise the nets at the Golden Gate Bridge.

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Speaker 2: They are in place now across three hundred and sixty

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Speaker 2: thousand square feet of the bridge, and there's been a

680
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Speaker 2: three month period at the bridge where there were zero

681
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Speaker 2: suicides for the first time in almost ninety years. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's incredible.

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Speaker 2: Regular new film about it called The Net. It's the

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Speaker 2: harrowing journey of all of the people involved to make

685
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Speaker 2: this happen, and it is harrowing. The Bridge dractorate fought

686
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Speaker 2: us at every turn.

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Speaker 1: Do you've Yeah, that makes you sick, by the way,

688
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 1: But when you have you found obviously people have jumped,

689
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Speaker 1: people have hit the net.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, people have.

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Speaker 1: And have you found that those people have hit the

692
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Speaker 1: net had that regret and that has stopped them and

693
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Speaker 1: it then stopped them from continuing.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you that the people that were saved

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00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 2: from the net attempted again, but I don't know the

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Speaker 2: specific details of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Asking for help, that is, I need

698
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Speaker 1: help now, are the most powerful words in the world.

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00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: And it's okay to talk about this, and that is

700
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: if you are ruggling. Now. For those of us that

701
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: are wanting to make a difference, whether we've lost someone

702
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: or not, I'm sure we all know somebody answering. I

703
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: assume number one, answer the call. You know, if someone

704
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: says I need help now, be that person, Be there

705
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Speaker 1: for them, be the support.

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Speaker 2: And whether you don't know them or you know them,

707
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: just remember you could be the catalystic saving a life.

708
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: And understand that if it doesn't go that way and

709
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 2: they end up taking their life, that's not your fault.

710
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 2: We're not saying that, but but you could. We all

711
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: we all we are saying is that as a human condition,

712
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 2: we could be a little more loving, a little more kind,

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Speaker 2: a little more compassionate, and a little less judgmental of

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Speaker 2: those around us.

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Speaker 1: There are disease. I lost my anti Crohn's disease many

716
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: years ago and it was very difficult. You know, doctors

717
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: and even family. You get frustrated at times because you

718
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: can't see it. You can't see their pain. And with

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00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: crones there's real, I mean actual pain, and same thing

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Speaker 1: with mental illness. It's so hard when you can't see

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Speaker 1: what someone's going through. It's you know, it's obvious when

722
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: you have this big gash and a cast on your

723
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: arm or your bandages. You're like, Okay, I get it.

724
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Speaker 1: There's cause and effect there, and I know that's our

725
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 1: own mental issues that we can't get the big picture

726
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 1: of that. But just because you can't see something doesn't

727
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Speaker 1: mean it's not excruciating. And like yourself, it was excruciating

728
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: what you were going.

729
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 2: Through, really was? It really was?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I say this at every event I talked

731
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Speaker 1: to about mental health. About suicide, it's okay, And I

732
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: back me up on this because this is one of

733
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Speaker 1: the biggest misnomers. It's one of the biggest, you know,

734
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Speaker 1: pieces of misinformation. If you ask someone about suicide, if

735
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: you mentioned suicide, you increase the risk. That is false.

736
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Speaker 1: That is a lie. You do not increase the risk.

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Speaker 1: In fact, you help them by asking.

738
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Speaker 2: A pain shared is a pain had when? But when

739
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: you ask someone if they're thinking about killing themselves specifically,

740
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: those words they made plans to take their life? Do

741
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 2: they have the means? You have the power to save

742
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 2: a life.

743
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: And if you ask that and the answer is no, great,

744
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: then there you go. No harm, no foul, best case scenario, yeah,

745
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: who cares. But asking those three specific questions, and I'm

746
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: glad you said it again because I wanted to get

747
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,919
Speaker 1: back to it is you know, are you thinking about

748
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: taking your own life? Do you have the means? And

749
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: ask those questions. Don't be afraid to ask those questions.

750
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 2: Don't be afraid.

751
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: Where can we find the documentary that's out, Not obviously

752
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: the new one Net I'm very interested to see, but

753
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: Suicide the Ripple Effect. Where can we find that?

754
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 2: You can find that currently on Vimeo, on demand vi

755
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,479
Speaker 2: Imeo and then just on demand plus Suicide the Ripple

756
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 2: Effect on Google, or you can just go to Vimeo

757
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: and search for it. Suicide the Ripple Effect E F

758
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 2: F E C T. And the new film The Net

759
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 2: is in pre production. We are we are raising funds

760
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: for a nap out and if you, if anyone, would

761
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 2: be so gracious as to help us support this film.

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00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 2: It's just the netmovie dot com.

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Speaker 1: The neetmovie dot Com. I will be going there very quickly,

764
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: and and if you need to find Kevin, follow him

765
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 1: on social media. As I do, I continue to learn.

766
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I've I'm pretty well versed in all this

767
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: as I've been speaking about it for years, but when

768
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: you meet someone the likes of you, all the different

769
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: podcasts you go on, all the times you speak around

770
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: the world, I learn more and more as I dive in.

771
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: So you can follow Kevin at Kevin Hines Story obviously

772
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: all together at Kevin Hines Story, and it really is revelatory.

773
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: It's just it's it's I know it sounds weird, but

774
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: it's actually positive. I know it's such a negative subject,

775
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: but it's so positive. When I watch your stories and

776
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: I listen to people speaking about suicide, I'm like, Okay,

777
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 1: there's hope. People are talking about this, and I will say,

778
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 1: the lights are coming on. We're finally speaking about this

779
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: more and more, and I'm very excited about the progress

780
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 1: that we are making.

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00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 2: I totally agree with that. I think that I think

782
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: the people that are sane and well out there in

783
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: the world to the best of their ability, right, Yeah,

784
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: they're they're engaging, they're acting on things, they're fighting, they're

785
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: fighting for causes. They're getting behind people's causes. They're working

786
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 2: to amplify people's causes like you are right now. This

787
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: kind of interactivity is incredible and it's going to change

788
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 2: the shape of people's lives. And positive, powerful, hopeful, meaningful

789
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 2: media can save lives. We do it every day, and

790
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 2: we need more people. We need more soldiers in the

791
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 2: fight to produce positive, powerful, meaningful, kind, compassionate media as

792
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 2: opposed to the opposite.

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Speaker 1: I love that great message to end on, my friend.

794
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: I was looking forward to this for a long time

795
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: and I will. I will end this as I began it.

796
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: I love you, my friend. I'm always there for you.

797
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: If you ever need anything, make me one of those

798
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: first calls. I appreciate you so much. I think that.

799
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: And again, I know we're both faith based people. I

800
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: believe that the Good Lord brings people into your lives

801
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: for a reason. Sometimes it's only for a season, but

802
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: also for a reason. I feel like you came into

803
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 1: my life for a reason, and vice versa. And I'm

804
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: so glad that you were able to come on and

805
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: talk about this message today, and it won't be the

806
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: last time I have you on.

807
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: I hope, oh brother, that means the world to you.

808
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 2: Have no idea. I'm so grateful.

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00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: And and one last thing, Yes, sir, my.

810
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: Wife and I have got to take you and your

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Speaker 2: lovely wife out to.

812
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: Dinner anytime you name it. I would love that so much. Yeah,

813
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: we need to we'll take this off air. All my

814
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: best to you and I will talk to you soon.

815
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: And by the way, when the net comes back on,

816
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: when when you release it in production, that we definitely will.

817
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: We'll have you back on to talk about that. That

818
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: impactful film as well. Thank you, brother, my thanks to

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00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: Kevin Hines. And again I can't urge you to follow

820
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: him enough at Kevin Hines's story. It's so important. I

821
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: hope you found that as impactful and meaningful as I

822
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: did when I heard it the first time, and I

823
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: wanted to bring it to you for those of you

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00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,959
Speaker 1: that haven't heard his story. There are so many that

825
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: go to that bridge, or go to a number of

826
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: places that are kind of well known to try to

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Speaker 1: take their life, and for some reason, he was spared.

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Speaker 1: For some reason. Now he's decided to tell that story

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Speaker 1: and I God bless him for it. And again for

830
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: any of you that are struggling out there. You're not alone,

831
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: you are loved, and reach out. Ask that question, say

832
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: those four important words, I need help now. Please please

833
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: reach out. You're not alone out there, and you are loved.

834
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: There are people that care for you, no matter what

835
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: the voices are saying inside your head. So I wish

836
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: you all the best, and I appreciate Kevin coming on,

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00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: and I thank you for listening, and I hope you

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00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: love this show as much as I did today. God

839
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: bless and I'll talk to you soon because we have

840
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: a lot more to talk about. Thanks for listening. Follow

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00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: us on Instagram at the most dramatic pod ever and

842
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: make sure to write us a review and leave us

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Speaker 1: five stars. I'll talk to you next time.