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Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Selective Ignorance. However,

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Speaker 1: before we get to this week's episode, I want to

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Speaker 1: a dual manifesto of sexual exploration and power written by

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Speaker 1: yours truly and my co host of the Decisions Decisions podcast, Weezy.

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Speaker 1: Make sure y'all get that. Now let's get to this

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Speaker 1: week's episode. This is Mandy Be. Welcome to Selective Ignorance,

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Speaker 1: a production of The Black Effect Podcast Network and iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Yah yo yo yo, y'o. Welcome to another episode of

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Speaker 1: Selective Ignorance with me your hosts, Mandy B. We are

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Speaker 1: getting into all of y'all's ignorant takes this week because boy,

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Speaker 1: have y'all been outraged about the wildest things. So this

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Speaker 1: week and this is America, we are talking about the

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Speaker 1: backlash that Drewski received for doing his skit on conservative

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Speaker 1: white women. Now I want to have the conversation around

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Speaker 1: this discussion or debate between black face and white faith,

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Speaker 1: please and whether or not they're even the same thing

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Speaker 1: or not. Then we're getting into the Bachelorette, of course,

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Speaker 1: that was recently canceled due to the Bachelorette actually getting canceled.

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Speaker 1: I think this is what canceled looks like. Maybe, so

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Speaker 1: we saw a clip of Taylor Frankie Paul abusing one

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Speaker 1: the defense of the domestic violence heer. I have a

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Speaker 1: strong take about this one that you're not gonna want

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Speaker 1: to miss. Then we are recapping the versus Tank versus Tyres,

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Speaker 1: and then of course celebrities always say the darnis things.

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Speaker 1: We're getting into Usher defending Diddy somewhat, But aren't you

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Speaker 1: kind of allowed to do that? I think so y'all

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Speaker 1: might kind of. I don't know what y'all a gonna

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Speaker 1: think about my take there. And then also wrapping things up,

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Speaker 1: we are finally giving our takes on the jay z

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Speaker 1: J Cole press run that has been taking place over.

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Speaker 2: The last week.

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Speaker 1: But before we get to all of these things. I

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Speaker 1: need to introduce my super produce.

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Speaker 3: Y'all.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe two weeks in a row we have journalism.

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Speaker 4: Jason Hey, isn't what I was gonna say, live in

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Speaker 4: the flesh, but from the.

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Speaker 1: Box, you're definitely not live in the flesh.

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Speaker 4: But I'm gonna say, and then I'm not gonna be

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Speaker 4: like j Cole and Cam and get myself in trouble

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Speaker 4: by saying dates. But in the next like sixty days,

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna try to make myself down in Atlanta so

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Speaker 4: we can.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I was I was actually gonna even ask a

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Speaker 1: King next time we need to figure out going to

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Speaker 1: New York.

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Speaker 3: But also I figured it did you when.

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Speaker 1: You know what it's like to know they're paying them now,

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Speaker 1: they're paying them down so that the ts an.

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Speaker 5: I still still getting a little ja chopping currently as

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Speaker 5: a report time.

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Speaker 1: Well, y'all, that was the voice of OG podcaster A King.

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Speaker 6: What would have according to them comments, Oh yeah, no, no, no, we.

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Speaker 3: New to this. Not give us these podcast mikes that

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Speaker 3: we created.

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Speaker 1: When I tell you, I have never seen the three

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Speaker 1: of us fight for our lives the way we have

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Speaker 1: been writing for our lives, Jason. This is why we

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Speaker 1: actually do need to get you down here so that

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Speaker 1: you can be abused by the international trauma experience trauma,

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Speaker 1: Give me and mine to the end of time.

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Speaker 5: It's a trauma, trauma, but we all have three different

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Speaker 5: ways of how we interact with Oh, yeah, I try

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Speaker 5: to be respectfully disrespectful, but yeah, he don't give a fuck.

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Speaker 3: He wanted to know I kill him. We're talking about that.

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Speaker 1: And then y'all, I got the King of headlines, Jason

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Speaker 1: jod Lee up pod blessing all the yat niggers. Well,

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Speaker 1: the yat niggas was in them comments.

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Speaker 3: Man, they are so salty, but I didn't like. Here's

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Speaker 3: what it is. It's funny because as much as they.

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Speaker 1: By the way, they were all in the comments, by

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Speaker 1: the way, getting on us to defend the Russell.

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Speaker 3: Well that's that's what the clip was.

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Speaker 1: That has us fighting for our lives, by the way, But.

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Speaker 5: That's what's funny about it is that, like we know

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Speaker 5: that the Russell has a fan base, but like, y'all

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Speaker 5: love him this bad bro.

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Speaker 3: Y'all y'all love him this bad like all right, I

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Speaker 3: think it's what he represents and it's come up prior

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Speaker 3: to the debacle. You know what I mean, I think you.

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Speaker 5: And I'm with that the whole independent thing and curated

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Speaker 5: a fan base the organic way.

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Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: But also it's a clip with clearly three different takes

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Speaker 1: on where we stand with the whole the Russell thing essentially,

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Speaker 1: and not that not that you don't know his music.

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Speaker 1: I literally just wanted you to name a song. And

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Speaker 1: so people are like, I disrespected him.

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Speaker 3: And dog in the moment.

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Speaker 5: I will, I will admit sometimes when you are doing

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Speaker 5: things recording, yeah, you should be on point with it,

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Speaker 5: and I wasn't.

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Speaker 1: But I was human.

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Speaker 5: I'm a heaven saying human being Like like these guys

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Speaker 5: in the comments, I'm like you in the comments though,

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Speaker 5: you're here with us. The one dude was like, y'all

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Speaker 5: just doing this for engagement follow and I'm like you engaging,

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Speaker 5: you're here, you're engaging with it, right, And it was

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Speaker 5: one dude I can't remember his name, He's like you,

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Speaker 5: clearly he's a fan. And I said that, I said,

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Speaker 5: I'm a fan. Was I was unable to name afterwards?

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Speaker 3: I did, right, yeah, yeah, and I get it.

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Speaker 5: It goes out there they only they react to what

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Speaker 5: they see and these you know, these second clips. But

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Speaker 5: it's like, come on, guys, that's why we asked you

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Speaker 5: to subscribe. Right, listen to the show so you get

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Speaker 5: the full context, you get the full picture. But but

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Speaker 5: these type of people that say you don't need the

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Speaker 5: full picture because we just told them that l Russell

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Speaker 5: dumbass clip was stupid because he only put out the clip.

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Speaker 3: And now they're mad at the exact thing that we said.

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Speaker 5: Like I said, the Russell fan page, oh yeah, I

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Speaker 5: don't know if that's only had two hundred followers.

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Speaker 3: Burner don't have to have that many.

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Speaker 1: You know what's crazy?

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Speaker 3: Though, No I'm not saying.

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Speaker 1: Burner accounts don't have their name on it, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, like the fences be on some weird though,

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Speaker 1: like different type name ship, right, it don't be there.

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Speaker 3: Daran gave us the blueprint. Yeah, yeah, understand the whole

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Speaker 2: That could that could have been his mom. That could

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hold you throwing. The event was just

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Speaker 1: like a march.

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Speaker 5: A march they rally march for Larussell, Luther King Junior,

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Speaker 5: sols for Fred Lrussell Hampton, the chairman of the Bay.

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Speaker 3: Like a march. They had a mark, like his civil

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Speaker 3: rights was violated, Like like the nigga was crossing the

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Speaker 3: selma An Petty's Bridge and the nigga needed a rally,

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Speaker 3: Like all right, you got it. They came up, got it?

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Speaker 3: They showed up. They sure did. I wish show up

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Speaker 3: for us and.

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Speaker 2: More people in the comments or more people at the rally.

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Speaker 2: That's what we gotta fo.

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Speaker 1: Now, there was a lot of motherfuckers.

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Speaker 7: It was.

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Speaker 3: It was a parking lot for raising biscuits. No, like,

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Speaker 3: what do y'all do? All right, man? Whatever, y'all got it.

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Speaker 1: It's funny because I love seeing them go back and

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Speaker 1: forth because for me, like my response is just be

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Speaker 1: like your mama should have swallowed you, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, Like like why are you here right?

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Speaker 5: Your mama should have spit you on the bathroom floor.

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Speaker 5: It is one of my favorites to like just every

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Speaker 5: once in a while you just give somebody that wait a.

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Speaker 1: Second way to say, what ship hold on? You should

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Speaker 1: have spit you on the bathroom floor. When when is

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Speaker 1: a man coming in your mouth in the bathroom?

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Speaker 5: Guy, ask his mama asked, mama. It's crazy, Mama, that's

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Speaker 5: that's her business. But spitting out now he's doing the science.

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Speaker 5: If she if she kept it in, it's still void

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Speaker 5: of pregnancy.

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Speaker 3: That's true. So I guess the thing would be the

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Speaker 5: The location matters, the bathroom, the bathroom floor. It paints

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Speaker 5: the picture for you without even going through the whole story. Listen,

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Speaker 5: you're doing salmon science right now. Don't do that salmon.

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Speaker 3: You want to do this public turning out like y'all.

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Speaker 1: Already being ignorant. Well, Jo, you said you said you

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Speaker 1: had an ignorant moment coming in today.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, okay, So today is March twenty ninth. This

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Speaker 5: is We're in Atlanta, Georgia, and it is cold as

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Speaker 5: hell outside. It is no damn reason so for the

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Speaker 5: flat earther is out there for the science denies the

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Speaker 5: climate change people like fuck all y'all niggas, Like it's

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Speaker 3: It's not supposed to be like this. So I'm standing

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Speaker 3: like five or six Asian. You know, they have an

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Speaker 3: Asian ignorant take this. So they're outside in T shirts

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Speaker 5: I know y'all niggas are cold, and it made me think,

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Speaker 5: like I know that a lot of people come to

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Speaker 5: America and they try to assimilate to whiteness, but I

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Speaker 5: just wanted to remind our Asian brothers and sisters that

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Speaker 5: on like this, Like I know people don't like people

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Speaker 5: of color, but like, you know, we don't.

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Speaker 3: Do that shit, like we don't wear we don't wear short.

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Speaker 3: It's cold. It's hell outside, like not even fake cold,

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Speaker 3: like real cold, Like what are you doing? See? I

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Speaker 3: would argue that you, as an Atlanta brother, I think

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Speaker 3: y'all don't know how this is not real cold degrees.

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Speaker 3: You don't got on short. I don't want to catch

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Speaker 2: He said you got no culture.

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Speaker 3: Job it was a culture in Atlanta.

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Speaker 5: No, I'm I love to see cats in Atlanta. You know,

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Speaker 5: going to be about sixty degree, it's forty. If you

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Speaker 5: go to the super market, they got on snorkels. You

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Speaker 5: see something even with timberlands and I know you not

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Speaker 5: from New York because they be having all Atlanta Parrol

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Speaker 5: and shit, I'm like a look bit this guy.

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Speaker 3: Damn by by the way.

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Speaker 1: By the way off it literally is it's fifty nine degrees.

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Speaker 5: You are speaking like I would say, John, and that

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Speaker 5: you could you could wear that in shorts right now

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Speaker 5: and you that was my plan they initially was coming

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Speaker 5: here with the hoodie and shorts. I felt like it's

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Speaker 5: going to be in like the to be.

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Speaker 1: Fair, it gets up to sixty five today, which ten

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Speaker 1: and it's not there yet.

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Speaker 3: Beautiful. Yeah, it was curious day. But when I woke

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Speaker 3: up this morning, it was every bit of forty two. No,

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Speaker 3: it had a crisp. It was a nice little chrisp.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll be quick with my little ignorant take. I

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Speaker 1: just had. Actually before we started recording, me and Yomi

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Speaker 1: Let's start political here. We're gonna start political at the top.

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Speaker 3: Don't got the slipping off.

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Speaker 1: Let's start off. What happened with Drewski this week? Jason So, drew.

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Speaker 4: but as typical with this, a lot of selective ignorance

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Speaker 1: So okay. So there was a lot of conversation too

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Speaker 1: And so why so I'm not gonna lie. This is

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Speaker 5: Because it's doing black face since the advent of the television,

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Speaker 1: Well, I even know, like if you go all the

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Speaker 3: But that's why. But that's what. But that's the.

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Speaker 5: I just hear, like the you know, the nuance, like

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Speaker 4: I mean to me, but for clarity, are you equating

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Speaker 1: To me, what I'm saying is and I know this

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Speaker 1: I just don't understand how we get to do it,

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Speaker 5: I mean, for everything that y'all just said, Like the

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Speaker 3: The history of white face there is no history of

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Speaker 5: It's us just making fun of you, but beyond all,

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Speaker 3: My answer is like, fuck y'all. Like, y'all don't get

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Speaker 3: to claim nothing. The rules is different. The rules have

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Speaker 5: If y'all want to come in here and say nigga

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Speaker 5: maybe some maybe there's some your black friends that will

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Speaker 5: let you rock out. But if you get beat the

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Speaker 3: Like it is what it is?

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Speaker 5: I think the disqualifier in there is that we find

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Speaker 5: so that's like the lighthearted ware, not saying you know

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Speaker 5: doing that because he's done. He gave all this comedy

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Speaker 3: That's far. Yeah, even like guys like Godfrey when they do.

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Speaker 5: Impersonations of different cultures, the dialect, it's like, Okay, it's cool.

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Speaker 5: I don't think white people can actually be I don't

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Speaker 3: I just don't believe him. I think all that shit

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Speaker 1: Y'all.

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Speaker 5: Don't care about people calling you cracker, You don't care

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Speaker 3: Fun of bike? No, I just don't believe them. People

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Speaker 5: Want they want to find a way to reverse racism

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Speaker 3: Do, they do?

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Speaker 2: They want to be mad or do they want to

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Speaker 5: Well, yes, yes they're they're weaponizing the idea of like, well,

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Speaker 5: no you can't. We not racist. Were not definition. We're

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Speaker 5: making fun of you, we're joking about you, we're clowning you.

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Speaker 5: But like it is what it is, like let's move on,

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Speaker 1: I just feel like the way that she revered Charlie

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Speaker 1: It was given that Cannas had a really emotional tide

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Speaker 5: Now, oh you had and I never heard her say

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Speaker 5: But that she talks about the way Candas was going

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Speaker 3: So let me just push this about JD.

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Speaker 3: I believe she knows some ship about she has a

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Speaker 1: she's she's phenomenal.

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Speaker 2: Is she is?

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Speaker 5: She phenomenal because she piped down on her conservative rhetoric

440
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Speaker 5: and she leaned on this side of the I was

441
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Speaker 5: crazy but leaning.

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Speaker 4: I feel like she's I feel like she's just like

443
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Speaker 4: meddlesome and messy, but she does it in like a

444
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Speaker 4: polished way that makes like everybody mad but everybody listen

445
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Speaker 4: at the same time.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And that's the thing. Do I agree with everything

447
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 1: she says? No, but I love how she as a woman,

448
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 1: Just like you said, it's a polished way of getting

449
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Speaker 1: your opinion across. She's a poster. She's controversial, and I

450
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 1: wish that there were more women that just got to

451
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Speaker 1: sit like that. Like to me, I feel like me

452
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Speaker 1: and her are very much, very similar.

453
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Speaker 3: I'm sure I like her. I think y'all would have

454
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Speaker 3: a real interesting conversation.

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Speaker 1: You know what's crazy. I would have to not only

456
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Speaker 1: read more, I feel like I would have to go

457
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Speaker 1: to some sort of speech coach. I am so insecure

458
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Speaker 1: with how she speaks and how she's able to get

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Speaker 1: her thoughts across and say it out right. I'm not

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Speaker 1: confident enough.

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Speaker 3: Don't you need the same person who converted Kanye that

462
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Speaker 3: that year we turned off from Chicago and turned on

463
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Speaker 3: the Calabasas. Yeah wait what and shout out to the

464
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Speaker 3: original Candas Owens.

465
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Speaker 1: Who's the original Canvas Owens.

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Speaker 3: Stacey Dash No no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

467
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 3: no no no.

468
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Speaker 1: I think I feel like is someone that nobody ever

469
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Speaker 1: wanted to hear. We all just wanted to look at her,

470
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Speaker 1: and then when she started talking, then it started making

471
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Speaker 1: her look ugly crazy. She was crazy, She's sounded crazy.

472
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Speaker 1: No Sacy Dash for me speaking of Kanye that her

473
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Speaker 1: running through the airport. You all remember that video. I'm

474
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Speaker 1: sorry now I'm sounding like a nigga. That was the

475
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Speaker 1: best I've ever seen.

476
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Speaker 5: Stacy Dash though the world, you can, you could go

477
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Speaker 5: anywhere you want something that was the best.

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Speaker 1: That actually is my favorite Kanye video where we don't see.

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Speaker 3: Why.

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Speaker 1: I also would never wear that to the airport. That

481
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 1: ass was jiggling, she had on heels. I was like,

482
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Speaker 1: you weren't really trying to make him flight? Yeah, like

483
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 1: there's no way, Like, but you're trying to find one

484
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Speaker 1: in the last yeah.

485
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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Like I don't even have a ticket.

486
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Speaker 5: I just want one of these niggas to buy me

487
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Speaker 5: a ticket right now, because I look this.

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Speaker 1: Good, and baby, I would have put you first class

489
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 1: and then you would have talked and I would have

490
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Speaker 1: been like, go back to all right, enough of that,

491
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Speaker 1: all right, Jason, what we got up next?

492
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Speaker 4: So next we have the Bachelotte gets canceled. The ABC

493
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Speaker 4: canceled the twenty second season of the reality show There

494
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Speaker 4: was going to start The Secret Lives of Morvon Wives

495
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Speaker 4: personality Taylor Frankie Paul. If anybody's ever watched the Mormon

496
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Speaker 4: Wives show, Taylor Frankie Paul is the star of it.

497
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Speaker 2: She's known for being in a few tumultuous relationships with

498
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Speaker 2: the father for children. And there was a video that

499
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Speaker 2: want viral of her.

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Speaker 4: Where she was getting into a domestic violence situation with

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Speaker 4: her current bo.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just because to have a fresh look at what

503
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Speaker 1: this was, what was being said, and yeah.

504
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Speaker 4: And then there goes right here be a little mad

505
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Speaker 4: at me so and it has a trigger warning for

506
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Speaker 4: anybody who it says here. TMC released it's twenty twenty

507
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Speaker 4: three video from Taylor Frankie Paul's arrest for domestic violence.

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Speaker 1: No stop, you leave me alone.

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Speaker 3: You're right there, she's out of control. My gosh, oh my.

510
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Speaker 1: You you stop.

511
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Speaker 3: Completely lost.

512
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Speaker 1: Let me go.

513
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know what's coming there, right listen.

514
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Speaker 1: So that video.

515
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Speaker 4: Is a lot.

516
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Speaker 1: It's hard to watch, and there are conversations about producers

517
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Speaker 1: actually knowing that this video footage did exist and still

518
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 1: went forward with having this woman. She has spoken about

519
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: domestic violence previously.

520
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 3: She is a felon guilty.

521
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Speaker 1: She has two baby daddies and children with two different men.

522
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Speaker 1: So also listening to higher learning. This week, Rachel Lindsay

523
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Speaker 1: spoke about how Christine she had to be as a

524
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Speaker 1: black woman to even show up on that show.

525
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Speaker 2: And so.

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Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, this is where we're at. By the way,

527
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Speaker 1: the cancelation of this show has cost the network about

528
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Speaker 1: sixty million dollars. This is like a huge, big, a

529
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Speaker 1: big for ABC. But I wanted to get into the

530
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: responses that I've seen from this that are very troublesome

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Speaker 1: to me because it comes to a point where I

532
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: get double standards. We just talked about the double standards

533
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: in terms of black face and white face. Right for me,

534
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: what I've been seeing this week is absolutely disgusting in

535
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 1: a swing of the pendulum that just does not look

536
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Speaker 1: healthy for anybody, and when I say that, it's the

537
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Speaker 1: amount of women who were excusing this behavior, the amount

538
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Speaker 1: of people who excuse women who abuse men. And there's

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Speaker 1: another word that was just introduced to me in a

540
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Speaker 1: lot of people's defense this week, and it was reactive abuse. Now,

541
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Speaker 1: reactive abuse, let me give you all the definition. Reactive

542
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: abuse happens when a victim of abuse reacts to that

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Speaker 1: abuse in a way which would include physical violence or

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Speaker 1: shouting of their own. This isn't because the victim is

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Speaker 1: an abuser, rather that they have been a victim of

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Speaker 1: abuse for such a period of time that then they

547
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Speaker 1: lash out. Here is my full problem with this. By

548
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Speaker 1: the way, if you are currently sitting at your desk

549
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: or you're sitting in a place, I would love for

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Speaker 1: you right now to go on Twitter, go to the

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Speaker 1: search bar and type in reactive abuse. I want to

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Speaker 1: read some of the people who are defending this behavior.

553
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: By the way, these are women. It says, reactive abuse

554
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: is a setup. A narcissist pokes, provokes, nitpicks, insults, gaslights,

555
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: and keeps grinding away at you until you finally explode.

556
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: The moment you react, they flip the script and pretend

557
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: you're the real problem. They focus on your outburstinggnore everything

558
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: they did to push you there. It's a control move.

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00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: Here we go, Taylor Frecky Paul video is wild and

560
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: one hundred percent recorded out of reactive abuse. She does

561
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Speaker 1: suck for throwing chairs and acting like that in front

562
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Speaker 1: of a child, But he only started recording to protect

563
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Speaker 1: himself and prove a point after he provoked her to

564
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Speaker 1: get to that point. Reactive abuse anyways, literally though, basically

565
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Speaker 1: there's a butt in almost all of these suits defending

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Speaker 1: the reason as to why she hit him. She threw

567
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: chairs at him, but it's because he provoked her. Here's

568
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Speaker 1: the thing. When we have men put their hands on women,

569
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: the butt is never said. Do you not think that

570
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: there was some provocation as to why he got to

571
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Speaker 1: that point and abusing a woman. There's always some sort

572
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Speaker 1: of provocation. But to sit here and make excuses for

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Speaker 1: women being able to put their hands on men is

574
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Speaker 1: fucking insane to me. I think what it also does

575
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Speaker 1: is it creates this dynamic of allowance to a woman

576
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Speaker 1: being able to abuse a man, and it's kind of

577
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Speaker 1: what we see happen in terms of men just never

578
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Speaker 1: being able to be a victim of abuse, whether it's

579
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Speaker 1: physical or whether it's sexual, Like people laughed at Terry

580
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Speaker 1: Crews when he came out about being sexually assaulted. We

581
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Speaker 1: have like a level playing field right now where men

582
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Speaker 1: are finally speaking up about their abuse, and no one

583
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: gives a fuck because apparently men are these violent, criminal

584
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Speaker 1: animals in all essences and can't be a victim to abuse.

585
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Speaker 1: This video and the response to this, even the ABC

586
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Speaker 1: producers moving forward after knowing that she was a violent person,

587
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Speaker 1: is a conversation that I wish we were having more, ladies.

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Speaker 1: You cannot put your fucking hands on these men, whether

589
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Speaker 1: they are emotionally abusing you or you're in this tumultuous relationship.

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Speaker 1: You saying that he pushed you to a point to

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Speaker 1: excuse you for laying hands on him. To me, does

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Speaker 1: it make sense in any world or less?

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Speaker 3: So. I hadn't heard that phrase before either, so I

594
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Speaker 3: looked at it. I didn't see the tweets.

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Speaker 5: I did a Google search to look it up, and

596
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 5: I found a website that essentially gave that same definition

597
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Speaker 5: of a abused person who is now.

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Speaker 3: Acting out against their abuser.

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Speaker 1: But they're not even though they are abusing they're not

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Speaker 1: the abuser, like correct, yeah, right.

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Speaker 5: The idea is that this person isn't an abuser. This

602
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Speaker 5: person is reacting to being violated.

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Speaker 1: You know what's crazy about that too? In no sense

604
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Speaker 1: when a when a man commits that is, is there

605
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Speaker 1: an excuse for his reaction? Like essentially like there's nothing.

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Speaker 3: Then the rule is that a man should never touch

607
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Speaker 3: a woman.

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Speaker 1: But with what's happening now is a woman has a

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Speaker 1: reason if a man pushes her too far, it's okay

610
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Speaker 1: for her to pass.

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Speaker 5: So the thing in my in researching is just a

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Speaker 5: little bit the thing that the first question I had

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Speaker 5: to ask myself in seeing this definition is where where does.

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Speaker 3: This term come from?

615
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 5: Is this a clinical term that doctors are using or

616
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Speaker 5: is this a legal term? And the research that I did,

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Speaker 5: I found out that it's neither.

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Speaker 1: So this made up to not be held accountable for

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Speaker 1: their action.

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Speaker 5: Well what the what the from what I saw is

621
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Speaker 5: that it's a word that therapists used, but it's not

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Speaker 5: like a clinical it's not defined as like a clinical

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Speaker 5: active behavior. It's essentially a word that people use that

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Speaker 5: that therapists use in those cases. Because to me, there's

625
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 5: layers to this whole thing. Right, I understand the idea

626
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Speaker 5: of reactive abuse. I understand the concept of if you

627
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Speaker 5: are mistreating somebody, if you're abusing someone, that person is

628
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Speaker 5: going through ecological trauma that's going to make them act

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Speaker 5: up like and not to reduce it to this, but

630
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Speaker 5: it reminds me of like eleven and Stranger things. Right,

631
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 5: they abuse this little girl, they fucked her up, did

632
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Speaker 5: they's experiments on her, and now she's kind of like unpredictable.

633
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Speaker 5: She might spass out, and she might have she has

634
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Speaker 5: his power, she might lose it on you. But there's

635
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Speaker 5: also the level of self defense, Like, what is the

636
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Speaker 5: line of reactive abuse and self defense?

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Speaker 1: Well, and that's the thing for this. You were hauling

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Speaker 1: hauling stools?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, across this.

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Speaker 1: By the way, do y'all want to know what's disgusting

641
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: about this? And women y'all are discussing. Do you know

642
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: that there's now a TikTok trend for this? Hold on,

643
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: they're a TikTok trend right now. I have to say,

644
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: there's a TikTok trend of women literally picking up stools

645
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: and saying, when my man gets on my nerves, this

646
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Speaker 1: is what I want to do, and it's them re

647
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: enacting to row throwing barstool.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 5: Why the men who are on TikTok, she's taken account

650
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 5: of all the women that doing that, dumb ship and

651
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 5: just make a list, you know what I mean, Like,

652
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 5: you know that's stupid.

653
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: Here we go, Here we go. Women on TikTok are

654
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: now fantasizing about beating their man with a barstool, and

655
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: it's literally a trend of women look picking up.

656
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 3: Barstools across the miserable woman.

657
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: The things I wish i'd done to my abusive X. Honestly,

658
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: let a man try me. Uh this is another way.

659
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: Oh wait, let me let me even play this this

660
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: clip real quick.

661
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: Hitting her man, I was like, good, he probably deserved it.

662
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: I wonder what he did to make her act like that.

663
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: But but but also we can never ask that question

664
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: when a man lays their hands on a woman, I

665
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 1: wonder what she did to deserve it.

666
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 3: That's this.

667
00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: But also Chris Brown and Rihanna admitted to hitting him.

668
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: She was beating him with a shoot in that car,

669
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: allegedly like and I think they both shared accounts of this.

670
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: He reacted, The world canceled him forever. But like there's

671
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: a woman that also was very abusive to him, and

672
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: he snapped like this is the thing, Like, I just

673
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: hate that there's no accountability for abusive women and now

674
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: we have a TikTok trend a woman lifting barstools. Yeah,

675
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 1: I don't have this TikTok isty disgusting because men couldn't

676
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: all come together and be like, oh.

677
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 3: Gonna it's not gonna live. Disgusting.

678
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: Do not be that a grant start coming up with.

679
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 3: Won't be the instrument.

680
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: The bat behind you.

681
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

682
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: Listen, No, you can't do it. It's disgusting. And so

683
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: for me, like, I just hate that we're in this.

684
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: We're in a space where we're recognizing victims, we want

685
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: victims to speak out, we want to believe that we

686
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: care about victims, and yet when it comes to men.

687
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 3: There's no protection to there's just not Well the thing

688
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 3: in this case too, is that like again, because the

689
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 3: reason I wanted to know if that term was either

690
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 3: clinical or legal, because that would that would.

691
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 5: Change a lot about what that term can mean, what

692
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 5: power does that term have. Yeah, so she pled guilty

693
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 5: to this crime, like she didn't even fight it, so

694
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 5: like she did her time. She didn't even fight you back.

695
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 3: She didn't. So there's nothing right. So there's nothing to me.

696
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 5: There's no reason to look back at it and be like, well,

697
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 5: what did he do? First off, other than people asking

698
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 5: that question, were there or no. I researched whether that

699
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 5: guy had ever been arrested or now he's never been arrested. No, no, no, no,

700
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 5: It doesn't necessarily mean that he didn't do anything.

701
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 3: But I don't see.

702
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 5: Like there was one incident that they had in twenty

703
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 5: seventeen that I read about where the police said basically

704
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 5: they both threw accusations at each other.

705
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 3: He says she did something to me. She says he

706
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 3: did something to her. Nothing came of it. It was

707
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: what it was. But but she can't. You can't use

708
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 3: this term to get away with putting your hands on people.

709
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 5: If you're a woman and you put your hands on somebody,

710
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 5: especially if there's video of you doing it, reactive abuse

711
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 5: ain't gonna save you from jail. The cops are gonna

712
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 5: come there, they're gonna see the situation, and they're gonna

713
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 5: take your ass to president and you're gonna get a

714
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 5: felony like this lady did. So don't think that reactive abuse,

715
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 5: whether it's whether it has merits or not, is not

716
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 5: something that's gonna save you or protect you from putting

717
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 5: your hands.

718
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: On So ladies, stop putting your hands on motherucks.

719
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 4: If I could just to add like an end point

720
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 4: to it all, it's interesting listening to it all because

721
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 4: it reminds me of like our conversation with the drew

722
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 4: Ski discourse, where we're saying, like Republicans or conservatives and

723
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 4: we're trying to figure out, like, you know, like how

724
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 4: genuine or disingenuous they are with their points right, and

725
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 4: it's are you really mad at this idea of reverse

726
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,959
Speaker 4: racism or you just trying to like gas like black

727
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 4: folks so the next one, you know, they can get

728
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 4: to get back. And for this it's like, yeah, although

729
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 4: I do agree like women should put their hands on men,

730
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 4: and obviously mentioned put their hands on women, I do

731
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 4: wonder like how genuine men are when they're like I

732
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 4: feel like they get the ball and they're like spiking

733
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 4: it and they're like, yeah, see this always happens, or

734
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 4: or they're allowed in a way to sort of like

735
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 4: silence women for like the next go around.

736
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 2: Oh that's the part that I worry about.

737
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 4: But like to your point, many like yes, obviously, like

738
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 4: you know, there's consequences to anythings you do. So it's

739
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 4: like if women do it, whether it's reactionary behavior or not,

740
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 4: like you know, it's it's warranted, could be legal or

741
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 4: not or just like on a moral tip. But I

742
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 4: still don't want it to be like I don't want

743
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 4: to rush to defend men. I don't know if this

744
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 4: makes me sound awful, but it's like I do, I

745
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 4: do doubt, like how serious would be?

746
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: This is literally women not This is a clear example

747
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: of women not knowing how to hold themselves accountable.

748
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 3: For sure that sure, this.

749
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 5: One is this one is out of control. But I

750
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 5: understand what Jason is saying as far as like this

751
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 5: doesn't for for a man who's looking to be like also,

752
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 5: we're we're also the victims, so we're not the abuser

753
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 5: all the time. It's like we know that, like every

754
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 5: every man is an abuser, every woman is an abuser,

755
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 5: but like this case.

756
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 3: Is like this is your wild, this is wild.

757
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: All right, music time, let's get it to celebrities say

758
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: the darnist things. But let's start with did everybody watch

759
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: Versus last week?

760
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 3: I was watched a piece of that. I was real.

761
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: I was in a bubble bath, had my phone like,

762
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: leaned on the candle.

763
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 3: You're ready for this one, baby, I was.

764
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: I was like, but you're old. It was a Thursday night.

765
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: I had to hold on and a glass of pean.

766
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 3: Other said she owed, but there's another word that she

767
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 3: needed to add to that.

768
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: And Rich, Okay, don't be putting my money out there.

769
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: I got a nice tube. But yeah, thoughts, by the way,

770
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: it went exactly as I thought.

771
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 5: I think, No, I don't think it was I don't

772
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 5: in my assessment, it wasn't about a winner.

773
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,959
Speaker 3: It was exactly they put on the show.

774
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 5: They showed their friendship, they showed their they showed their

775
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 5: I was gonna say that's why that was my main

776
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 5: comment about he was on offense too much. I felt

777
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 5: he was just like, all due, relax, you'll take you

778
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 5: what you're doing back there.

779
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 8: You know.

780
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 5: Then then the thing he did with the tournament was cool.

781
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 5: They were snapping each other, and then you know, we

782
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 5: kind of agreed that we thought we was gonna see

783
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 5: a genuine apparently, and then because but I think it was.

784
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 3: I think it was dope. It was one of the

785
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 3: it was a good one.

786
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: I thought I thought it was I thought it was good.

787
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: I thought it was dope. What's crazy is I I

788
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: forgot how great Tank of Like is as not only

789
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: a performer but a singer. I got to, uh go

790
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: to his his stint on the Hell's Kitchen on Broadway.

791
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: So he was a part of the Alicia Keys Health

792
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: Kitchen Broadway show, and he got me tickets there because

793
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: he came on my other podcast and just phenomenal friends.

794
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: I mean just looked like takes that pull up to

795
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: me I'm on Broadway, you know, but different. Oh he

796
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: but he saying down yea and so and and also

797
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: though I did just get to see Tyree's perform as well,

798
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: because Tyres came out at I believe it was the

799
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: Cole Concert. Okay, so he came out and sang a

800
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 1: little bit there. Again great, but it's what I knew

801
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: because there's no pen there. He just didn't have enough

802
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 1: songs enough.

803
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 3: There's not enough bullets in that man.

804
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 5: You know when when when Tank said, uh, why you

805
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 5: ain't playing enough, why you ain't even record?

806
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 3: Performed that a black Tie right.

807
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: He was he was talking about, which, which to me

808
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: is like, I do wonder what their relationship currently is then,

809
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: because we do know that T G T that it

810
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: didn't work out, and right now Tank is essentially the

811
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: bigger artists.

812
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 3: Sure profile wise profile.

813
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: I think right now he's in his he's right now and.

814
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 3: R and B money being a successful So it's like

815
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 3: Transformers and this nigga got like, no, not only does.

816
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: He have the nigga s I don't want to the

817
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: internet crying, can we make another one? Guys be my

818
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: friend like he's it's given. Like they don't funk with

819
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: him either, even in the movie space.

820
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 5: Last year at the festival, at the Black Effect Podcast Festival,

821
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 5: Tye was there was a three man triple labled him

822
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 5: Jay Valentine, and he pulled up. They left together, came together,

823
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 5: pause and and you could see the brotherhood, you know

824
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 5: what I mean.

825
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: So that's why I was trying to I told I

826
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: was trying to get Jay Valentine to go to the

827
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,959
Speaker 1: strip club. But he said, you don't go. He says

828
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: he's not a strip club guy.

829
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 5: And I was like, no, let me do morelf skin

830
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 5: niggas go to strip clubs than dark skin niggas.

831
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 3: I don't be club you know what think about think

832
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 3: about the strip club. I don't bet skin niggas get

833
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 3: all the girls. That's why Ja.

834
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: Valentine was like, was like, yeah, I don't do strip clubs.

835
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: And I was like, man, let me take it to

836
00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: the strip club? Is it left?

837
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 3: You gotta go?

838
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: Come for food. It's like a kitchen, you.

839
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 3: Know, like you got you gotta sell them that Atlanta

840
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 3: Hall tackage. Like it's just in a good time.

841
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 1: Literally, I love tricking people to go to the strip

842
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: club in Atlanta, Like, but it's an like it's dinner. Yeah,

843
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: we're going to a restaurant with live entertainment, you know,

844
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: pretty much gotta sell it like you've ever been to

845
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: Medieval Times. It's like that Medieval Times with Yeah, you

846
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: could literally probably get a turkey.

847
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 3: Leg like probably you probably get somebody somebody in the back,

848
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 3: probably got a big ass.

849
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you you could get a lemon pepper.

850
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 3: Here.

851
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: You can get a lemon pepper turkey. I ain't even

852
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: gonna hold you. I just sent my whole girl a video.

853
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: Do you know they have a lemon pepper? Macha try

854
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: I'll try Lemon pepper Macha.

855
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 3: I am going have you seen it?

856
00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 1: Mind you it's a black owned spot. It's you living

857
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: pepper Machia. I'm gonna send you, send you the clip.

858
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 3: Don't do that. That would be a crazy white white

859
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 3: people really want to cos play black like like I

860
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 3: think you imagining started. Don't do that game.

861
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 5: That would be that would be kind of tough. You

862
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 5: can't put it past if they mock Atlantic culture. Can

863
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 5: not put it past a colonizer.

864
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lie it would be.

865
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 2: A strip I'm not a strip club person. It's interesting

866
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 2: to me. I've heard that a couple of times this week.

867
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 2: I think like people like Jay Valone.

868
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 4: Should be like, if you're not a strip club person, like,

869
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 4: but we're a strip club group and I'm a part

870
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 4: of the group right now, and i gotta do.

871
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 3: The group activity like I don't.

872
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: Don't.

873
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 4: I feel like people like they spiked themselves out of

874
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 4: the like the group activity, like as if it says

875
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 4: something about themselves.

876
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 2: But you missed an opportunity, Jay Valentine, Wait wait.

877
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: But you want to know what's interesting about your your theory?

878
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: So my ex we had this conversation and uh, he

879
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 1: doesn't do strip clubs because he went to a strip

880
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: club one time and he thought the girl really liked

881
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: him and with the conversation, because he fine, can't believe

882
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: that they got to pay a bit to talk, Like

883
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: he really thought that the girl liked him, And when

884
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: he got up, she was he was like, Yo, we

885
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: sat there and talked. I thought we were connected. The

886
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: vibing he was at a job would be two hundred dollars.

887
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I said, get you Yeah, I sat here

888
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 3: through twenty songs.

889
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: And so he was like, no, why would I go

890
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: pay for attention, Like because he's a he's an attractive man,

891
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,919
Speaker 1: and so he of course, I mean.

892
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 5: She bruised the light skin ego, she bruised that ship.

893
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 5: It did Lord like, yeah, I got Christopher waiting.

894
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 3: For the number of change.

895
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 5: He thought she said that there's a numbered change, all right,

896
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 5: run that there's there's a number, all right.

897
00:46:53,160 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: Let's get a little nipper here. Usher made rounds on

898
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: the blogs this week, and tell.

899
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 3: Me tell me why.

900
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 4: Jason so Usher had some confessions. In an interview with Forbes,

901
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 4: he defended Diddy. He obviously spoke from his own personal

902
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 4: experiences and said that he's never seen anything unruly or unjust,

903
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 4: and for his personal opinion, he still defends Ditty and

904
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 4: says he's he's a good person. Obviously, people couldn't separate anything.

905
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: But let's go with the clip, all right, Here we

906
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 2: go with the clips, y'all.

907
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 9: In the same way, I think many people choose to

908
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 9: look past the reality of what our country is, the

909
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 9: standards that we now stand on. We can't ignore the

910
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 9: reality of the history. But in many ways, I think

911
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 9: certain people are prosecuted and maybe not recognized for the greatness,

912
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 9: you know, that they offer. I don't have anything negatives

913
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 9: say about Seawn Combs because my experience was not what

914
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 9: the world has seen and how he's been, you know, misrepresented.

915
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 9: I'm not saying that every man is perfect. I'm not

916
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 9: saying that all of us don't have flaws. But I

917
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 9: can't with any sense of humanity not recognize the valuable

918
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 9: contributions that this man made for us as black entrepreneurs,

919
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,280
Speaker 9: for us, as businessman, for us, as people who transition

920
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 9: you know, culture and ideas into something that's tangible and

921
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 9: becomes business.

922
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 2: So many people benefit.

923
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 4: I just want to stop it because I just want

924
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 4: to point out to homie he's talking to and the

925
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 4: way he's looking at us looking at him, John, can

926
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 4: you describe the way he's looking at him.

927
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 3: Nigga please, that's the look thing onias on his face

928
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 3: looking at us? Or say that dumb shit?

929
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 1: What were y'all thoughts on this?

930
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 7: It?

931
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 5: That's clearly a defense of Diddy, Like he said, the

932
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 5: man has been misrepresented.

933
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 3: He said that you know that he wasn't he was.

934
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 5: He suggested that perhaps Diddy was being singled out persecuted

935
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 5: because America has all kinds of criminals and bad people

936
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 5: who aren't being held to account.

937
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 3: So why did they pick it?

938
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 5: That's like a whole Tech special, It's like number one

939
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 5: with fries on a whole tech fucking BURGERMANU. And then

940
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 5: he talks about that's not my personal experience and so

941
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 5: I can't say anything bad.

942
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 3: Why does it have to be your personal experience to

943
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 3: see that he stomped casting out barefoot and chase her

944
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 3: down the hall in the hotel.

945
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 5: Why does it have to be your personal experience that

946
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 5: this should happen at City College? Why does it have

947
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 5: to be your personal experience With some of the allegations

948
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 5: about what he may or may not have to do

949
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 5: with Tupac and getting shot, like it doesn't have to

950
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 5: be your personal experience.

951
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 3: I get it, that's your homie. We know that that's

952
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 3: your homie.

953
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 5: But he leronds me or that you know, you see

954
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 5: the monkeys with to see no evil here, no evil

955
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 5: speak no evil, Like that's what he reminds me of.

956
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: How do you think he should have answered that question?

957
00:49:59,040 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 2: What?

958
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 3: What was the question that he was asked?

959
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 5: Because in the clip that shows him responding, I don't

960
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 5: know exactly what he was asked, But if he was asked,

961
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 5: for example, if he was asked you know, what do

962
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 5: you think about what's happened to Sean Colmes? At this

963
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 5: point he can say he's he's uh, it's his right

964
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 5: to say that's my friend and you know, our relationship

965
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 5: and whatever else. But also you sound naive, biased and

966
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 5: a little bit stupid, trying to act like everything that

967
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 5: we've seen we didn't.

968
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 1: See here's here's Is that not just him being human?

969
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 3: Though?

970
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: Like, have you ever defended someone that did wrong? Have

971
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: you ever went and visited a friend in jail who

972
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: committed a crime? Has anyone in your in your family

973
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: or your friends ever done wrong to someone else that

974
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: you still were able to see them as who you

975
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: knew the mass, because when I.

976
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 3: See this, I'm like, to me, there's a difference, though,

977
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 3: what is the difference.

978
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 5: The difference is that if my friend or loved one

979
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 5: or whatever it is did something wrong went to jail,

980
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 5: was obviously like caught doing the wrong thing.

981
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna go in public and act like that

982
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 3: didn't happen.

983
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 5: I can defend my friend and say that's my friend,

984
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 5: and I still love this person and they did a

985
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 5: terrible thing, they did a fucked up thing, and I

986
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 5: still love that person, and a public judges me for that,

987
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 5: then it just is what it is.

988
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna stop loving that person.

989
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,479
Speaker 5: I don't think anyone is coming at Usher for saying

990
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 5: I still love Sean Combs.

991
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 3: But to only be like I only see.

992
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 5: Good things and I don't bad things hurt me and

993
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 5: good things make me feel good, Like, that's just naive

994
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 5: and this and Jenie. So when he said that that

995
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 5: we gotta acknowledge him for his contributions, right, I'm summarizing.

996
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 5: I think that's the problem we have. We do and

997
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 5: it hurt us as a community who support him. To

998
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,919
Speaker 5: know that he's done these things. And I think that's

999
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 5: the discourse with the communities. We know how great the

1000
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 5: nigga is.

1001
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 3: We know his contribution. He's never not been sed.

1002
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 5: Did we see the that other part of it is

1003
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 5: like fuck, it chips away from our inspiration of how

1004
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 5: he was inspired by him all those But that's the thing.

1005
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, but maybe with us, sure it doesn't like so

1006
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: it's it's weird. So I had like two of these

1007
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: type of instances literally, uh this week, and this actually

1008
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: made me think of my dad. Okay, so my uncle

1009
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: molested my cousin Okay for years. He went to jail

1010
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,959
Speaker 1: for it, did ten years, came out and of course

1011
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: clearly my family's like fucked my uncle. However, my uncle

1012
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: is my dad's brother. And so my dad opened up

1013
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: his hometown when he got out of jail before he

1014
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 1: got deported because that nigga will.

1015
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 3: Sit back to Jamaica. But yeah, this was a minute ago.

1016
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 1: This was a couple of years ago, a few years ago.

1017
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 3: But no, no, no, that that's why that literally that

1018
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 3: he got deported.

1019
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: I think because of he did his time here and

1020
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: then they u But I remember the conversations around the

1021
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: family being upset that my dad would do that, but

1022
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: also the nuances that's his brother. And so what's also

1023
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 1: crazy is he came to us and made sure that

1024
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: he didn't touch us, and because he didn't, he was like, Okay,

1025
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: I know this guy did this bad thing, but technically

1026
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: me and mine weren't impacted. And that's my brother. So

1027
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: I love my brother even though he did something wrong.

1028
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: But also he genuinely felt like he did the time.

1029
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: So the family not wanting to be around him was

1030
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: just like, you know. And so to me, that's why

1031
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: I asked you if you knew anyone who did a

1032
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: crime that you still suck by, because to me, Usher

1033
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: was literally just being human. Now I said that to

1034
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 1: say I ended up coming across another clip this week,

1035
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: and it's Shaka Khan who was sitting with and I

1036
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: don't know the interviewer, Jason, could you play this clip

1037
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: of sha Ka Khan talking about Ike Turner.

1038
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 6: Okay, I met her, Yeah, because she was I knew,

1039
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 6: I knew I more. He was a lovely even being

1040
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 6: just he was he was.

1041
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 10: He was a victim of himself and of the of

1042
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 10: what we do for a living, and of drugs and

1043
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 10: stuff like that.

1044
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 3: It was just.

1045
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 10: I was having fun together, you know, but it was

1046
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 10: it was not, you know, a good time in either

1047
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 10: of our lives when we were going through some ship,

1048
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 10: you know.

1049
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: And but you know, she happened to his life and

1050
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: so this seems you had a little But even that

1051
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: he said, she said that he was a victim of.

1052
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 2: The life himself.

1053
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 3: He said himself to.

1054
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 1: And essentially one could also say that about Diddy. And

1055
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: so the fact that we know Ike is like now

1056
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: a verb for the abuse, like you.

1057
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 3: Got Ike Turner, like he wends what that means.

1058
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: He is a verb. And so for her to even

1059
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: come out and say, well, he was a lovely human being.

1060
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: He was a victim of his surroundings and the things

1061
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: that make you do certain things. I think what we're

1062
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: what we are actually doing right now in having these

1063
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: conversations is removing nuance and the fact that we are

1064
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: human beings and that we do actually make exceptions for

1065
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 1: a lot of people. And neither are humans that are

1066
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: making the exceptions for the people in their lives that

1067
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 1: matter to them, and we do it the same. If

1068
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: you got a brother or uncle cousin's sister who is

1069
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: currently in jail right now for murder, for drugs, for

1070
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: killing someone, for whatever, and you go and visit that person.

1071
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: You're no different than an usher or a shaka in

1072
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:55,720
Speaker 1: support of their friends who caused harm to other people.

1073
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 3: But you have to say you don't. You can't support

1074
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 3: you're in public or anywhere.

1075
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 5: Really you shouldn't, But you can't come out on a

1076
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 5: microphone and support your friend and act like they also

1077
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 5: didn't do the thing at the same time. That's my issue,

1078
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 5: that's my main issue with ushers that he's classifying this

1079
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 5: as if Puff was somehow railroaded.

1080
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: But do you know, I think maybe the misrepresentation was

1081
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: the freak offs because that's what he's in jail for.

1082
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: He he wasn't in jail for whoop. No, he wasn't,

1083
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: so the misrepresentation could be.

1084
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,439
Speaker 5: But you speaking about the character of man now, yeah,

1085
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 5: we've seen the character of the man is not good

1086
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 5: if he again, you didn't see the question, right, Yeah,

1087
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 5: if the question was what are you think about Diddy?

1088
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 3: We're talking about the character of man.

1089
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 4: Okay, I think, but even without the question, like, maybe

1090
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 4: I'm glad you brought up to Chaka Khan one because

1091
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 4: I thought she I know you don't like when she

1092
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 4: enters the room, but if you give grace, like like

1093
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 4: sha Ka Khan was like, she didn't excuse him.

1094
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 2: She said he was he did these horrible things. He

1095
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 2: was a victim of himself.

1096
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 4: She talked about a drum and alcohol, and I felt

1097
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 4: like she actually provided a human element, a human accounting

1098
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 4: of him without letting him off the hook, whereas like

1099
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 4: Usher is just like, oh man, he's great, he's great,

1100
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 4: Like he did all these contributions to the game.

1101
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 2: And society without like any acknowledgment of all the things

1102
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 2: that we do.

1103
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: You know what, So you're right, I'm not gonna lie,

1104
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: I think because there is an outrage as much for

1105
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: Shaka having this relationship with Ike, right, But I think

1106
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: you're right. I think had Usher just literally said, I

1107
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: understand he's a victim of his own downfalls and the

1108
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: decisions that he made were poor, but I have a

1109
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: different relationship with him. I think that's all. It was,

1110
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: like it felt like he excused the behavior and literally

1111
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:45,919
Speaker 1: the misrepresents word.

1112
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, he's yeah, words mean thing.

1113
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 5: He tried to act like Puff is an underdog, like

1114
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 5: oh maybe they're people are persecuted and maybe they're not

1115
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 5: recognized for their greatness.

1116
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 3: I'm like, who wasn't recognized for their great.

1117
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 2: Set up the album for the new album?

1118
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like, what Uls you should have did is just

1119
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 5: take his own advice and if we're gonna tell it,

1120
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 5: then you gotta tell it all.

1121
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 3: And that would have made it real simple.

1122
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 2: Just say slow hand claps with job right there, you.

1123
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 3: Know what I'm talking about. Like, looking at what I'm

1124
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 3: putting down.

1125
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 5: This is why the Russell Yeah, yeah, I wasn't gonna

1126
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 5: do it, but that we all having sent and he

1127
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 5: and this is why he was identifying these characters in

1128
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 5: his in those bars. It's because of the same thing

1129
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 5: we're talking about here. We all of us is from

1130
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 5: the same source.

1131
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: That's I guess that that's my thing, and maybe that's

1132
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: what he meant to like to me, we're just we

1133
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: all have our faults, sure, And I think unfortunately when

1134
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: we come on here and talk about the outrage and

1135
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: and responses to certain things within our culture, people remove

1136
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: the human elements so much from celebrity and everything has

1137
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: to be perfect or because that's my thing, I think

1138
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: that everyone's dice. Maybe what Usher could have said he's human.

1139
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: This is how you felt. Let let people be human.

1140
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 5: Also, he has an opportunity to either double down or

1141
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 5: clarify or to give some more context as we react

1142
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 5: and other people.

1143
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 3: I'm surprised he even spoke on this at all. But

1144
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 3: but I'm surprised that he spoke on it.

1145
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 5: But the only people that surprised me that would speak

1146
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 5: on Diddy or anything like that is people that you

1147
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 5: know are gonna say great things about it. Yeah, like

1148
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 5: people who it wouldn't surprise me for someone who like

1149
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 5: all the people who are on the documentary, like they

1150
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 5: all have a you know, axe to grind with the nigga.

1151
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 5: But of course they're willing to say, like, yeah, the

1152
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 5: nigga put me on and put me in this position.

1153
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 3: But I seen him do x Y and Z the

1154
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 3: only people who he was.

1155
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 5: Jay Z's not gonna say a word about Diddy because

1156
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:45,439
Speaker 5: jay Z probably feels just like Usher.

1157
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm actually mad speaking of not saying a

1158
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: word about Diddy. J Cole just could have told us

1159
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 1: how he swung on Diddy.

1160
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 2: Bruh.

1161
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 3: He did the same thing at this point.

1162
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 1: He could have just like told us with like so

1163
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 1: let's get into finally us capping J Cole and jay

1164
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: Z's sit downs and conversations that they've had. We can

1165
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: start with Cole. Y'all know, I am a cold stand

1166
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 1: so baby. I grabbed the popcorn and the peanot and

1167
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: put it, put it on the TV and started watching

1168
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: these interviews, and I was left kind of disappointed.

1169
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 3: Boom boom boom.

1170
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: I just I didn't get anything else. And maybe because

1171
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: I did actually pay my nine ninety nine for the

1172
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: inevitable podcast that really went you know deep, him and

1173
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: he talking about his like how he got to where

1174
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: he is. I heard his whole thing about jay Z

1175
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: and what jay Z meant to him and just everything

1176
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: getting into the to the to the space. I felt

1177
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,919
Speaker 1: like I was listening to wanh wanh wanh wanh want

1178
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: like I just I got nothing. I got nothing from

1179
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: him sit down with a deska, I got nothing from

1180
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: the cams thing just it was just like he's just here.

1181
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 3: Well, I mean like nothing new.

1182
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: I got nothing new, even seven pm in Brooklyn that

1183
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: when I didn't watch in its entirety, but I just

1184
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: didn't get nothing new.

1185
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 5: I mean, in one group chat when these announcements started

1186
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 5: to come out, people were just like okay, So like

1187
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 5: I don't want to hear cold talk anyway, just either

1188
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 5: rap or not another.

1189
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: But which is crazy because I want to hear cold

1190
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: talk because Cole doesn't talk.

1191
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:26,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, he doesn't talk much. Yeah.

1192
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: And so when you come out and you're like doing

1193
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 1: circles around the questions, you're not really answering them and

1194
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 1: certain things just but it felt so PC like give

1195
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: us something. We've been waiting for you to talk and

1196
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: we got nothing.

1197
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 2: So Mandy, what what would you want him to talk about?

1198
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 4: So like if we if I set it up for

1199
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 4: the people who haven't listened to them, Let's say the

1200
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 4: Nadeska Apple Music interview that was like strictly about the

1201
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 4: new project, the fall off right the seven PM in Brooklyn,

1202
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 4: A lot of that rested on like Drake and Kendrick

1203
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 4: and sort of his involvement in that. And then the

1204
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 4: Cameron interview was a lot about their interaction and kind

1205
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 4: of like J and J Cole's like early days. So

1206
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 4: that that's that's sort of like that counting for all

1207
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 4: three interviews, what what what would you have looked for

1208
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 4: like in an interview, which I mean I.

1209
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 2: Just think is it those topics but just better or

1210
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 2: just not even Yeah.

1211
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 1: I think his response is like I really would have

1212
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: wanted to know more about Like he's also been like

1213
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 1: this lone wolf, right like, we know he has Dreamville

1214
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:33,919
Speaker 1: and his artists, but we really don't know his relationship

1215
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 1: with these other people.

1216
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 3: Really.

1217
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: I don't think we got at all in answer of

1218
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: where him and Jay stand. And that's been a conversation

1219
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 1: for a long time so well, and both of them

1220
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 1: spoke about that relationship right like, and he said, yo,

1221
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: jay Z gave me like my ship back, Like I

1222
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: have nothing bad to say, but there's something there. What happened?

1223
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: We to me, we still just don't know his real

1224
01:02:56,240 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: relationship within the industry really, and to know that even

1225
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 1: two records on the Falloff were supposed to feature Kendrick,

1226
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: we still don't know what is their real relationship. How

1227
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 1: deep is their relationship though, Drake, he didn't really get

1228
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: into that, Like, also, is there any other artists that

1229
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 1: you fuck with?

1230
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 3: Like or do you not?

1231
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 2: Is that?

1232
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 1: Is that why you have limited features normally on your albums?

1233
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 1: Like are you this lone wolf that really don't fuck

1234
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 1: with nobody? Because you're not just mister nice guy? Let's

1235
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: be like you can't be or can you? I just

1236
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 1: feel like I still just didn't know him or how

1237
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: he exists or positions himself in the culture and in

1238
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: the industry. If that makes sense.

1239
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 2: No, that makes a lot of sense. I think to like,

1240
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 2: uh is it doti.

1241
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 4: So he did a post and he was making a

1242
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 4: point about how like you know, on a real press run,

1243
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 4: you know, other outlets would build upon the previous interview

1244
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 4: and ask like the follow up questions, which is very true.

1245
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 2: You know, that was my experience early on in my

1246
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 2: career when you would.

1247
01:03:56,840 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 4: Do thank you my brother, and so I think a

1248
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 4: lot of times because they're doing so few stops, it's

1249
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 4: it's you know, you get these kind of like questions

1250
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 4: that you have to ask that I have now are

1251
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 4: built up that have like months of of like things

1252
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 4: that have happened and like and that's why you get

1253
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 4: these like long winded Jake Cole answers.

1254
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 2: But also I think also.

1255
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 4: Like these people feel obligated to ask these questions because

1256
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 4: they haven't been asked and maybe they don't get to

1257
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 4: a question like what you're saying Andy, where it's like

1258
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 4: you're weighing, like do you get along with this rapper versus.

1259
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 1: Where is this?

1260
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 2: I know, I'm just I'm just changing.

1261
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: And why so much for you to to apologize, Like

1262
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 1: what is what is the backstory? How deep does your

1263
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 1: relationship go with with Kendrick? Can we see the blog

1264
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: era of them?

1265
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 3: Even we know how? But if you're going to get

1266
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 3: on the platform, you got to say, you got to

1267
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 3: say yeah, we do. I mean right, right, right right,

1268
01:04:56,040 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 3: that's the question. That is what is your status with

1269
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 3: not not that's not in totality.

1270
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 5: Right Kendrick and Drake, all the things that happened post

1271
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,919
Speaker 5: even even in the it is what it is pod.

1272
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 5: I think Cam asked him have you spoke to them?

1273
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 5: And he kind of I did, but I was like,

1274
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 5: I don't know if it did. You a text is

1275
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 5: not speaking and acknowledge me via text? It felt like

1276
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 5: it wasn't a real convo because if it was, then

1277
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 5: we would have had some depth to it.

1278
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 3: He says, he did say, just talking flee.

1279
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: Sorry, but here's my thing to write, and maybe it's

1280
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 1: I want more vulnerability right because you don't talk.

1281
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 3: So it's like when you're wed.

1282
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: Know why Drake was upset with Lebron He's like I was,

1283
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 1: I've been around your kids, why and you can't do

1284
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 1: that now? No, like what Drake Drake, Drake had all right.

1285
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 5: He took his tattoo off and put Alexander Okay, but

1286
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 5: he should have, bro, they were really locked in.

1287
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 1: Kids were locked in like this, and then you're going

1288
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 1: to party with my apps, Like, bro, we are really deep.

1289
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 1: You kind of know what how Drake viewed that relationship, right,

1290
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: But if they had.

1291
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 3: A friendship, But that's what I'm saying.

1292
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 5: What if Kendrick and Lebron they had they wasn't like

1293
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 5: this out of the blue, yeah thin with each other?

1294
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, no they're not.

1295
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 1: And that's that's what I'm saying, Drake, Like for for

1296
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 1: for me, for for Cole to have apologized and exited

1297
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: out of the beef, I just would have liked the

1298
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 1: depth of to how how deep those relationships actually go,

1299
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: because in the industry a lot of shit is surface.

1300
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 5: Well, he did say that even when him and Drake,

1301
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 5: I mean him and Drake and Kendrick were like all

1302
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 5: like earlier on he said even at the coolest, they

1303
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 5: would talk like a couple of times a year. Like

1304
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 5: he did say that on the camera on podcast that

1305
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 5: they weren't like, Oh, I talk every time something goes on,

1306
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 5: I'll get on the phone with Kendrick and we talk

1307
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 5: about this ship. He made it sound like that's my nigga,

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01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 5: and I see him when I see him, But he

1309
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 5: kind of made it seem like we don't talk every day,

1310
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Speaker 5: even before this shit happened.

1311
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Speaker 1: So that's why I'm curious about where he's actually with Drake.

1312
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 1: I think him and Drake toured. I went to the show.

1313
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, clearly him and Drake was on some ship like

1314
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 3: they were bro from early on, Kendrick brought out cod Seal.

1315
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Speaker 5: Look, no one asked him about that song port Antonio

1316
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 5: and in that song not wanting in that song ship

1317
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 5: in that.

1318
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 3: Song that nobody I'm like, why nobody asked him about

1319
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 3: that ship? Yeah?

1320
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think trying to act like and I and

1321
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 5: and this is all due respect to Dreams Cold, but

1322
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:32,919
Speaker 5: I don't buy some of the ship he was saying,

1323
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 5: because that record exists, and it seems like listening to

1324
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 5: port Antonio, he was trying to pander to Drake.

1325
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 3: D He didn't want to. He didn't sound So why

1326
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 3: would you go in and say you don't know you

1327
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 3: didn't know.

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Speaker 2: You know, I also think he's trying not to speak for.

1329
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 3: Drake but but himself.

1330
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 11: Yeah, but I think you d like maybe introduce Drake

1331
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 11: has drop episode three and four that I know after that.

1332
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 3: You got the same things that happen.

1333
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, the same thing's gonna happened with Drake speaks like like,

1334
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 4: I'll bring in a jay Z interview with it two

1335
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 4: the title together.

1336
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 2: So early in my career, not super early, but.

1337
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,680
Speaker 1: I had what career, where were you over the plan?

1338
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 4: I'm not V and I had had a jay Z interview.

1339
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 4: The jay Z interview was scheduled to be twenty minutes.

1340
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 4: I ended up speaking to him.

1341
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 2: For an hour and a half, right, and.

1342
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 1: MTV.

1343
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 2: MTV only used like four minutes of it, right, and

1344
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 2: so because and.

1345
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 4: This is this is a little inside baseball, but I

1346
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 4: think it's going to prove my point and to kind

1347
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 4: of introduce something that I want you to respond to.

1348
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,720
Speaker 4: I must have had like thirty five questions on a

1349
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 4: legal pad for Jay, right, because I'm fishing to get

1350
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 4: the best stuff for what I know is only going

1351
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 4: to be a small output. Right Whereas, like I wonder now,

1352
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 4: because when you do these interviews, with the J Cole

1353
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 4: and with the jay Z, Like, you know you're gonna

1354
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 4: get thirty minutes or sixty minutes of runtime that's gonna

1355
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 4: air and it's gonna be out into the public. So

1356
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 4: rather than trying to like hit everything, like just having

1357
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 4: five really good questions for jay Z and then having

1358
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 4: all the follow ups, because I think that's the thing

1359
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 4: that elicits Mandy, what you're saying to me is all

1360
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 4: follow ups, right, Like J Cole says something that it's like, cool,

1361
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 4: let me follow up instead of moving they weren't.

1362
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:26,759
Speaker 1: They were just going to the next conversation.

1363
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 4: And it's all the headline stuff because I think you

1364
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 4: feel pressure to get that headline stuff because they don't

1365
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 4: speak that often. When it's like, I wonder if now

1366
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 4: the better approaches like short amount of questions and just

1367
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:39,600
Speaker 4: like really follow up and don't try to go like

1368
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 4: super wide pause, go super deep he yo instead.

1369
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and that's what I just did with

1370
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 1: I did an episode with Kicky Palmer, and we had

1371
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 1: certain beats that we had to I'm just saying, but

1372
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:56,759
Speaker 1: we had certain beats that hit, but we kept the question.

1373
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 1: We knew there was like four or five we knew

1374
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 1: the conversation it was going to be an hour, but

1375
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 1: we also know that as human beings, we could have

1376
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 1: a casual conversation with Kiki because we know Kiki, and

1377
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 1: so we allowed room for us to be able to riff.

1378
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:13,640
Speaker 1: And I do think that with what I'm seeing, for

1379
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,679
Speaker 1: all the things that Cole sat down at, there wasn't

1380
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 1: Now there was follow up with uh with Cam really

1381
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 1: trying to get what happened with the Diddy thing.

1382
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know that gave and.

1383
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 1: Then the jokes around the lawsuit. But yeah, I just

1384
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 1: feel like you're right. I think they just had probably

1385
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 1: too many questions that they wanted to get to that

1386
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 1: we didn't stay in anything that I feel like got

1387
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 1: us to provide something. Now, I will say we could

1388
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 1: get into the jay Z conversation follow ups.

1389
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 5: Let me just add a little crescendo on that that

1390
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:48,679
Speaker 5: Nigga ain't talking to nobody. He's talked through his wraps.

1391
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 5: That's it there, And if we listen to gn X,

1392
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:53,679
Speaker 5: I think he kind of told us where he's staying

1393
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 5: with all of it.

1394
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yea. I think he was very clear about

1395
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:56,719
Speaker 3: these places.

1396
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 5: He didn't go after j Cole but he also you know,

1397
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 5: he know, like listen, you're my bro, but you did

1398
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 5: that song. That's how that's a personal song.

1399
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 3: A little bit. God put the belt to ask a

1400
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,480
Speaker 3: little bit. So I love the fact that he silences

1401
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 3: is a lot, you know what I mean, So shout

1402
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 3: out to Kendrick.

1403
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 1: I also don't like what you just love.

1404
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 3: Who Drake gonna sit down? I'm not going to got

1405
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:20,680
Speaker 3: to he got to sit down with you?

1406
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bobby, and then you're gonna sit down with and

1407
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: Bobby on their new I think he or Aiden Ross.

1408
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 1: He's not gonna get He's.

1409
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 5: Gonna be on fresh and fit before he be man.

1410
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 5: I can Drake I a thousand percent. Seeing him going

1411
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 5: to sit down with that means he's an unders Republican.

1412
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 1: We're not doing that. Yah, y'all, y'all gonna con as

1413
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 1: we wrap up. Yeah, jay Z thoughts on that interview,

1414
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 1: and I do have a clip that I want to

1415
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 1: specifically get into. I I'm not gonna lie. I loved

1416
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 1: everything that jay Z said, make me a fifty year

1417
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 1: old billionaire man. The way that he spoke about things

1418
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 1: was rooted in reality so much so to where I

1419
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, he's a realist like me.

1420
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:19,600
Speaker 1: I saw myself in jay Z.

1421
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 3: I'm go back two episodes.

1422
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 1: I did. I as he answered those questions, you said, right.

1423
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, right now, right right, she said, Now you want

1424
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 5: to go to the Show's the third show?

1425
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 1: By the way, you know what's crazy about it? Just

1426
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 1: to put my dick on the table. I just want

1427
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 1: to go to be like, look, I'm there, I'm here.

1428
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 1: He just wants to go just to talk ship.

1429
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:47,679
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1430
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: No, probably I'll see him at Roots. I'll be like

1431
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: this at the Roots picnic holding up my logo or whatever.

1432
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 3: This is, yo, what is it? The the rock? There

1433
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 3: we go. I thought that he left.

1434
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 1: His answers were so black and white that it's like

1435
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 1: Niggas was trying to find the yea. He answered from

1436
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 1: a place of of this is the world we live in,

1437
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 1: this is how I'm operating. And the people that were

1438
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 1: upset with even him and I want to talk about

1439
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 1: his clip about obtaining wealth. It literally was like, yeah,

1440
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 1: like are you mad? I think he goes play it

1441
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 1: because I think he's like, at what even number, what

1442
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 1: dollar amount makes me a monster? Or makes someone unethical,

1443
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 1: or make someone to a point where you can question

1444
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 1: whether they're a good or bad person.

1445
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 3: Can we just prase your thought for doing the interviews?

1446
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 1: Is he like lead editor over at GQ. He's But look,

1447
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 1: so that's the thing, Like he's talks about listening to

1448
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 1: to Jay when he was like ten years old, right,

1449
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 1: and so like even doing the math, bro, he looks young,

1450
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:07,919
Speaker 1: but this' he's a millennial.

1451
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 7: Bro.

1452
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:10,760
Speaker 3: That's pressure too, you're sitting across from home.

1453
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 5: But yeah, he's that went into getting and secure in

1454
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 5: the interview and then the build up.

1455
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 3: This I see somebody tweet, no, wonder you've been so quiet.

1456
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 1: But not only that, he's the one like how you

1457
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 1: wanted people to question about port of Antonio. Yeah, he

1458
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 1: he was bringing up reps like in explaining why his

1459
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 1: questions were where they were. I thought this was one

1460
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 1: of the best interviews I've seen in a long time.

1461
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, Elliott, you bowed out too soon. These

1462
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 1: are ships. I know he got to be hurt that he's.

1463
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 2: Not in the ecosystem a million of them.

1464
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, but but but even.

1465
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 3: Health man he is.

1466
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 1: I love it. But I'm wondering, like he was doing

1467
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:57,639
Speaker 1: long form before long form was even put out into

1468
01:14:57,640 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 1: the world, Like this like his Crown series was phenomen

1469
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 1: but you went and you saw it in person, and

1470
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 1: it kind of never lived outside of the theaters and

1471
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,599
Speaker 1: things that he did. And so I'm just I wish

1472
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:11,599
Speaker 1: he was getting these opportunities. But also this brother right here. Eight.

1473
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta move on.

1474
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 4: Maybe I got I got, I got three interviews with

1475
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 4: Jay and the can I'm very happy.

1476
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 3: Jason.

1477
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait, Jason, where.

1478
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 3: Are those inn you gotta go? You have to keep

1479
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 3: do you do?

1480
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 1: You have access?

1481
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 3: One is.

1482
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 2: One is let me stop sharing my screen seconds. So

1483
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 2: yea one is what MTV news.

1484
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 4: But I still have it here in my files. I'm

1485
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 4: gonna I'm gonna find a way to release the whole.

1486
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 1: Nigga, release it all selective ignorance. We'll put it on

1487
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 1: the YouTube channel.

1488
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 2: My other my other two are for documentaries. I interviewed

1489
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:44,640
Speaker 2: him for two documentaries.

1490
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,599
Speaker 1: Hey, real quick, bro, and you you own the right, Stu,

1491
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 1: because if you're sitting on a Jay Z interview right now,

1492
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 1: why would you not be clipping that up and putting

1493
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 1: that out into the world.

1494
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 3: Are you able?

1495
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out what I want to do

1496
01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:56,640
Speaker 2: with that.

1497
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 4: I was gonna do, so it was it was based

1498
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:00,680
Speaker 4: around American gangster and so I was going to do

1499
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 4: it for an American gangster interview, uh like anniversary, and

1500
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:05,720
Speaker 4: I was gonna probably like talk to like Guru and

1501
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 4: a couple other people, like a few a few years

1502
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 4: ago and just a few years ago when it was

1503
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 4: like pandemic, I was like, Oh, I'll do it as

1504
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 4: an n FT and sell it this way.

1505
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:15,560
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to figure out, like what way you

1506
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 2: want to thankfully, but if you if you put it

1507
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:22,680
Speaker 2: on a blockchain.

1508
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 1: I do clip specifically from the jay Z interview. I

1509
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 1: would love for us to dissect it before we get

1510
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 1: out of here.

1511
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, here we go, y'all.

1512
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:37,639
Speaker 7: This idea we were talking about about just doing things

1513
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 7: the right way, even when that comes to like attaining

1514
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 7: wealth and continue into a mass wealth. We're talking about

1515
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 7: b sides. One of your illness lines to me is

1516
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 7: face to the ceiling, race to a billion heaven on Earth?

1517
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 7: Was a wing still fit them? So what's the answer

1518
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:55,600
Speaker 7: to that question? Is it a constant struggle to maintain.

1519
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:59,879
Speaker 8: Your morality defines who you are, not not what you've attained.

1520
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 8: It's not a dollar amount that changes. And if so,

1521
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 8: what is that dollar amount. When does the start Is

1522
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 8: it one hundred thousand, fifty, Like, at what point it's

1523
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 8: if it's a cutoff, if it's like all all the

1524
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:18,680
Speaker 8: million is a bad okay, So at nine hundred and

1525
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:22,720
Speaker 8: ninety nine thousand, I'm good. This good, right, it won't

1526
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:25,720
Speaker 8: make any sense. The system is set up against me,

1527
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,759
Speaker 8: against us. When I'm talking about my specific struggle, everything

1528
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 8: was against me. My talent, not taking advantage of people,

1529
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:38,720
Speaker 8: not taking the advantage of the system, not creating tax loopholes,

1530
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 8: not just taken from other people. No, my talent pushed

1531
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 8: against all the headwind and with that success, I've done

1532
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 8: things with my reach that I wanted to do that

1533
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 8: was helpful for a lot of people. And with the

1534
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 8: system that we have, what are you going to do?

1535
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:00,640
Speaker 2: Because I don't I.

1536
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 8: Don't believe in that that the idea that someone has

1537
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:07,680
Speaker 8: a certain amount of money if it defines their personality.

1538
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 7: So when you have like an example like that versus

1539
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 7: like the kind of I would say, commonplace public perception

1540
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 7: that someone would say all billionaires are bad or you

1541
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 7: don't want should have a billion dollars, Like what's the tension?

1542
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 8: And that I got to give you the honest answers.

1543
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 3: Please, there's no tension.

1544
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't give.

1545
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:29,880
Speaker 8: You can believe what you want to believe or you know,

1546
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:32,720
Speaker 8: and people behave the way they want to behave you.

1547
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 3: Got here, what's who you was? For you guy here,

1548
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 3: that's the makeup of your person.

1549
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 5: I say that quote all the time you was here,

1550
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 5: it was before you got that's one of his name

1551
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:44,640
Speaker 5: To me though, to.

1552
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 1: Me though, it is it's so interesting because I love

1553
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:49,719
Speaker 1: what you said. Is it one hundred thousand? One hundred

1554
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:53,000
Speaker 1: and fifty thousand. The way we start viewing people because

1555
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 1: of the money they've they've made, it's almost like they

1556
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:57,680
Speaker 1: had to do something fucked up to do that or

1557
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:01,719
Speaker 1: to get there. And for me growing up, the idea

1558
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:03,640
Speaker 1: is always that you want to make the money to

1559
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 1: get to get your mama house, to get out the hoods.

1560
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 1: We have this idea of wanting to obtain wealth so bad.

1561
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:14,560
Speaker 1: I don't understand why we have the negative stigma on

1562
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 1: someone who's attained wealth.

1563
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:17,559
Speaker 3: I think he king.

1564
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 4: I need you to check the archives and make sure

1565
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:21,680
Speaker 4: she said that same exact thing when we had the

1566
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:22,679
Speaker 4: billionaire conversation.

1567
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 1: I want to be a billionaire and no, but that's

1568
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 1: I've always defend that I.

1569
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 2: Am a job. We had a billionaire episode, y'all know, Yeah.

1570
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 1: Y'all know that. But I'm a capitalist and that's why

1571
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 1: I wanted to sit with Antinnette. She's anti capitalist and

1572
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 1: doesn't believe anyone should make a certain amount of money

1573
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 1: because it should just be distributed amongst people. But like, now, bruh,

1574
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:43,640
Speaker 1: I worked hard to motherfucking get here. My talent got

1575
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:45,760
Speaker 1: me here, like, and then when I got here, I

1576
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 1: got to do what I wanted to do. That's literally

1577
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 1: it's the American dream that now people are being shunned

1578
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 1: for attaining.

1579
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:54,760
Speaker 5: But these people are billionaires and they create ecosystem to

1580
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:59,600
Speaker 5: Jay's point, that helps other people obtain whatever they do.

1581
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:04,719
Speaker 1: But apparently you never people. People are upset I think.

1582
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 3: Because there's I don't think it's just it's two things.

1583
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 3: I don't think. It's just as flat the surface as

1584
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 3: that of like.

1585
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 5: A like we talked about the American dream, Like the

1586
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:23,560
Speaker 5: American dream is like a bogus concept. It is so

1587
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:26,640
Speaker 5: like I don't put any to me, Like, yeah, we

1588
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 5: all grew up hearing about the American dream, get a house,

1589
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 5: get people, the whole dog the whole thing, and it's like, yeah,

1590
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 5: but that's all bullshit because right now, like there's so

1591
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:39,839
Speaker 5: many people who can't even attain half of that because

1592
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 5: of how capitalism has distorted the markets and function over

1593
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 5: and people got fucked over out of that American dream

1594
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:48,880
Speaker 5: house that they bought during the real estate rome and

1595
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 5: that they lost that ship instantly because predatory.

1596
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:53,679
Speaker 3: Loans and all that. That's all part of the same system.

1597
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 3: So like, I can't just look at it and be like, yeah,

1598
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 3: this is just how it goes. I think when it comes.

1599
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:02,640
Speaker 5: I think what Jay has on his side to some

1600
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 5: degree is that like his business and his wealth and

1601
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 5: his influence is like you said, it is based on

1602
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 5: his talent, and he took that talent and did big

1603
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 5: business with big corporations to get rich. But everyone who

1604
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:19,639
Speaker 5: has gotten a billion dollars isn't like that. Everyone didn't

1605
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 5: get a billion dollars off of rapping in Champagne. Some

1606
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:26,799
Speaker 5: people got billion dollars off of fucking over little kids

1607
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:30,559
Speaker 5: and having them build computer chips and shit for pennies

1608
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 5: overseas and blood diamonds and all kind of shit that

1609
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 5: people got rich from. So like the idea that I

1610
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:39,680
Speaker 5: just made my money and there's not a dollar amount. No,

1611
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 5: there's no dollar amount. But like you watched old Tupac interviews,

1612
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 5: Tupac felt the exact opposite of jay Z. Tupac has

1613
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:49,760
Speaker 5: an iconic interview clip from MTV News from the I

1614
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 5: don't know if it was the nineties or the late eighties,

1615
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 5: when he's talking about this exact concept that no nobody

1616
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 5: needs this amount of money.

1617
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 3: There's people starving.

1618
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:57,800
Speaker 5: Woot the woot the woop they should you can do

1619
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:00,679
Speaker 5: other things aside from half twenty houses in twenty five

1620
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:03,599
Speaker 5: cars and thirty five yachts and all of this other shit.

1621
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:06,600
Speaker 5: So this concept, even though it's become more popular in

1622
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 5: the mainstream via Bernie Sanders and AOC and certain further

1623
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 5: left politics, this is a new concept at all for

1624
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 5: me personally.

1625
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 3: I'm not necessarily like hardcore anti billionaire.

1626
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 5: But I've always said for at least fifteen to twenty

1627
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:25,400
Speaker 5: years now that capitalism needs a tweak of some kind

1628
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:30,600
Speaker 5: to make more even distribution of resources, because it's just

1629
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 5: unnecessary for in this country that's supposed to be the richest,

1630
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:36,599
Speaker 5: most powerful, for it to be fucked up in certain

1631
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 5: ways that it's fucked.

1632
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 1: Up well, and that's the thing cool. We can acknowledge

1633
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:41,720
Speaker 1: that there may need to be a tweak. But what

1634
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,760
Speaker 1: he also did was say, I did this in a

1635
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 1: system that, yeah, we all hate, but this is the

1636
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 1: system that we are a part of that probably isn't

1637
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 1: gonna change in our lifetime. And so whatever things I

1638
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 1: have to go against, I don't win against the God

1639
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,559
Speaker 1: to where I need to. That's true, you can too,

1640
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 1: but don't sit here and shun me because I navigated

1641
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 1: in the system for me in a way that was

1642
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 1: morally sound, that didn't sit here, and I didn't rib people,

1643
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 1: I didn't steal from the.

1644
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 5: Money from projects, you know what I mean. He didn't

1645
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:12,720
Speaker 5: know that he was going to be the totality of

1646
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 5: the docket for him. Yeah, he pushed through so many

1647
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,760
Speaker 5: boundaries and so many obstacles to get to where he.

1648
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 1: And I love that. His wife said, now get your

1649
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:30,680
Speaker 1: ass back on stage. You'll think that right now. Enough

1650
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. Ship, you see how I went back

1651
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 1: on that motherfucker.

1652
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,800
Speaker 3: Stage, pick up that microphone and say some rhymes can.

1653
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 1: Get your ass on that stage. I love this interview.

1654
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:44,880
Speaker 1: I'm not a I'm not a huge fan of his music.

1655
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 1: I didn't grow up on it.

1656
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:47,000
Speaker 3: That's just not me.

1657
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,600
Speaker 1: But I will say this interview made me like the

1658
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 1: I was like, I like, I like his mind.

1659
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:59,719
Speaker 5: Well, jay Z represents an interesting concept that's in society

1660
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 5: right now right because of course for biggas that love

1661
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:04,519
Speaker 5: rap music and that love his music, like, his talent

1662
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 5: is why we fuck with him. And part of his

1663
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 5: talent was putting the idea of one million, two million,

1664
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 5: three million, four like that was him getting money and

1665
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:19,280
Speaker 5: him being a businessman not a business man, is part

1666
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 5: of the DNA that makes people love jay Z, that

1667
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:25,560
Speaker 5: huskar of the Lord. But society has changed in a

1668
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:27,920
Speaker 5: lot of ways in the last ten years that don't

1669
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:32,799
Speaker 5: really hardcore align with that ethos anymore. So people are wrestling.

1670
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 5: I had this conversation with other friends. People are wrestling

1671
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 5: with that concept. People who are kind of anti capitalists,

1672
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:42,760
Speaker 5: people who are moving further left on the political and

1673
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 5: ideological scale are looking at this music.

1674
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:47,559
Speaker 3: I had conversations all.

1675
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 5: Week in group chats, so people that love jay Z's music,

1676
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 5: that are spending their last dollars to go through this concert,

1677
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:53,679
Speaker 5: who also.

1678
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 3: Hate every single thing he said, yeah, and like.

1679
01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 5: That's the dichotomy of like we talked about Usher being human,

1680
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 5: like that's kind of where we are.

1681
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone wants to cancel.

1682
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:06,640
Speaker 5: Jay Z, but the disappointment that people are dealing with

1683
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:11,519
Speaker 5: in their own ideology is changing and still loving this

1684
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:14,720
Speaker 5: man and his music is like bumping up against each

1685
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 5: other in a real way.

1686
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:20,759
Speaker 2: And I think, I think, yeah, I think Jay's keenly

1687
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 2: aware of that too.

1688
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:23,639
Speaker 4: Like I think a lot of the discussion he's having

1689
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 4: is trying to like protect his legacy. And I think

1690
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 4: he realized hear him, You hear him when he says,

1691
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 4: like I didn't go through like a tax hole loops,

1692
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:34,120
Speaker 4: Like he knows the way that other people have become billionaires,

1693
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:37,160
Speaker 4: and he's trying to draw the distinction between them and him, right,

1694
01:25:37,240 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 4: So he's trying to channel all the reasons that we

1695
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 4: previously had sheered for him.

1696
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:42,960
Speaker 2: So even though things are changing.

1697
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:45,120
Speaker 4: Fast, he's trying to like align it, like with the

1698
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:48,040
Speaker 4: way I got it within the system as exists was

1699
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 4: cleaner than them, right.

1700
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 2: And so like you know, I think that's why people

1701
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 2: like the interview.

1702
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 4: Like Jay's he's a storyteller, right, Like he's a rapper's

1703
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 4: a storyteller, and I think he's also like as comfortable

1704
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:01,320
Speaker 4: as he's ever been in this and so when he

1705
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:04,759
Speaker 4: talks and he explains it like it's full like charisma

1706
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 4: coming out. He doesn't speak often, so we're cheering him

1707
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:10,120
Speaker 4: on and it's and I hate being like two things

1708
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:11,680
Speaker 4: can be true at the same time, but it is

1709
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:14,320
Speaker 4: one of those things where it's like he's he's he's

1710
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 4: proud of his history and he's not trying to let

1711
01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 4: like today's view kind of dent what he did in

1712
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:21,320
Speaker 4: the past.

1713
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:24,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that interview is basically they not like

1714
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:29,439
Speaker 5: us in like a spoken word for like that's that's

1715
01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 5: the line that he's drawn, is that like, sure, Elon

1716
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:35,720
Speaker 5: Musk and Zuckerberg and some of these other people might

1717
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 5: have gotten their money through suspect waves or.

1718
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 3: Ill gotten games or done ship that is unethical.

1719
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 2: And are not giving it back. We could debate how

1720
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 2: much he gives back or not.

1721
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 3: Sure, certainly he's.

1722
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:53,640
Speaker 5: Doing things he is he's obviously helping people, because like

1723
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 5: that's I believe in when he says they are helping people.

1724
01:26:56,840 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 1: I would I would like to see more sit down

1725
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 1: with him. I like it was good. Also, though I

1726
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 1: don't know what more we can get get quick? Two.

1727
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:06,639
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts?

1728
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 8: Uh?

1729
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 1: Only because I saw it, and this will be my

1730
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:12,000
Speaker 1: last question to wrap this up. Uh, what are your thoughts?

1731
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 1: I saw someone tweet that if he if he was

1732
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:17,439
Speaker 1: going to give a sit down. I know he gave

1733
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 1: it to g Q. But someone was like, Bleak has.

1734
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:23,440
Speaker 2: A b Yeah, Bleek responded, you saw, Bleak responded.

1735
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 1: Wait, Bleak did respond to that? No, what was Ba's respond.

1736
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 2: Hold on, I got to tweet.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know if y'all saw that, And what's your thoughts?

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01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:29,360
Speaker 3: I saw that.

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01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 4: I saw, and I'm like, interesting, ble Bleak tweeted and said,

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01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 4: GQ versus podcast is really a conversation question mark journalism

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01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 4: versus homie talking ship.

1742
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 2: We're serious out here, question Mark all the beggars out there.

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01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 2: He put whip.

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01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:47,720
Speaker 4: I guess it was an auto correct era and you

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01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 4: see why and he's just a bunch of laughing at

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01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 4: the moment.

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01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:53,360
Speaker 5: He's right, right, Yeah, I was right, And I will

1748
01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:55,920
Speaker 5: say in my bias and they're not even biased. Bro,

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01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:58,600
Speaker 5: this is I'm gonna say the ship because they he

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01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:01,720
Speaker 5: that was I think that was rage first client ever.

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01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 5: You know what, I mean, I don't think there's many

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01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:06,800
Speaker 5: podcasts that could sit down with Jason, and that's the one,

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01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:08,280
Speaker 5: the one that could probably sit down.

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01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:11,920
Speaker 3: With them and died in uh December twenty twenty seventeen.

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01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 3: In my opinion, long Live combat.

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01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:16,360
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying as far as that depth

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01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:19,680
Speaker 5: that in that regard, I do agree with Bleak like

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01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 5: that's his dog Like, Yeah, I mean, that's gonna be

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01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 5: a five hour conversation to about a bunch of ignorant ship.

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01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, listen Bleak conversations.

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01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 5: Ye, I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't mind seeing jay Z

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01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 5: some ignorant ship though with Bleak. Though I don't want

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01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:35,679
Speaker 5: to see him doingans with nobody Bleak for sure.

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01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:38,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to see jay Z toll Bleak

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01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 1: to his face. Nigga, he wasn't working how you need

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01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:41,360
Speaker 1: it to work.

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01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:43,160
Speaker 5: You know, if I would, you know what I mean,

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01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 5: I would definitely say that you would be like, you

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01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:46,719
Speaker 5: ain't want to I would.

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01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:49,120
Speaker 3: If I was j I'd be like, so's the hit. Now?

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01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 3: You always say that he was one hitter. He always

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01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:52,240
Speaker 3: stayed with Bleak.

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01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 2: Bleak be throwing the darts at himself on the fire

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01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:55,560
Speaker 2: I love that.

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01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:58,479
Speaker 5: I love that about it very self, very humilian. Yeah yeah,

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01:28:58,800 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 5: self a milion shout out bleak.

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01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:03,320
Speaker 1: All right, any any final thoughts or takeaways on these

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01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 1: topics today.

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01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 4: We have said, we still haven't said, we make sure

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01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:11,959
Speaker 4: you go to the rally that we're holding for ourselves.

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01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:15,640
Speaker 5: We are not holding the candle the candlelight visual for

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01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:17,760
Speaker 5: the Russell's social media career.

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01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:19,120
Speaker 3: We ain't touch on those sports.

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01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 1: We can do that on the bonus episode.

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01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:23,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I know this is not a sports podcast.

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01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:24,839
Speaker 1: This is not a sports podcast.

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01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 3: You know what.

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01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:27,560
Speaker 1: This was a this was a light week. There's not

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01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 1: much in sports. I think we can talk about t

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01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 1: LC Chili. There's a sports thing you wanted to talk

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01:29:35,479 --> 01:29:36,000
Speaker 1: about about?

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01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, Cam and Cam and Stephen A Smith and

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01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:43,520
Speaker 5: the betrayal. Interesting that that's just some dynamics.

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01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 1: A few things we could get to.

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01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 3: I mean, so we'll save it from the product. I

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01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:48,760
Speaker 3: love that you are you back to you know, the

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01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:52,519
Speaker 3: natural by the way, is growing quick.

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01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:55,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like nigga, I might have to learn you

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01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:56,800
Speaker 1: might have to teach me how.

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01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 4: To do the.

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01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 3: I kind of want to see you were like a curl, like.

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01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:06,840
Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy. Did you forget I'm half white,

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01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:08,160
Speaker 1: a curl you think?

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01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think so.

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01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:15,360
Speaker 1: No, this is like Caucaus mountains, this is this is

1806
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:20,280
Speaker 1: I'm very straight hair. I'm very straight hair, not really curly.

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01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 3: I think the roster and you will outweigh the caucasusness.

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01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:26,600
Speaker 1: I've had this hair all my life. I'm telling you,

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01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:30,639
Speaker 1: I'm telling you what I know what's gonna do. But yeah,

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01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 1: y'all tune into our bonus episode Friday. We'll get to

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01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:35,360
Speaker 1: a couple more topics that we didn't get to get

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01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 1: to today. Jason, I'm sure won't be on it. We

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01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:43,679
Speaker 1: only get him part time, y'all know. Uh, he's part

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01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 1: time over here.

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01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:47,519
Speaker 3: How's that early morning going for you? That's good.

1816
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:49,080
Speaker 2: I tell people all the time.

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01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:50,080
Speaker 1: Waking up is not.

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01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:52,200
Speaker 2: The hard part. Is going to sleep early enough. That's

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01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:58,000
Speaker 2: the hard part. That's the challenge. Having a good time.

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01:30:58,080 --> 01:30:58,200
Speaker 3: Man.

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01:30:58,280 --> 01:30:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you working that's a lot. I don't know if

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01:30:59,920 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 1: I could do that Monday through Friday, fresh you know,

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01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:08,679
Speaker 1: Jason right now, technically only got one day off a week,

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01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:11,799
Speaker 1: and that's Saturday. Yes, you work a Sunday through Friday

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01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 1: between here and Hot ninety seven.

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01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:21,760
Speaker 3: When he become a billion Who have you helped you

1827
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:24,120
Speaker 3: help up? What have you done to sinst the people

1828
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:24,879
Speaker 3: were struggling?

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01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:28,759
Speaker 1: Well, y'all, hope y'all enjoyed this episode and the nuance

1830
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:31,000
Speaker 1: that it brought to our discussions around all of the

1831
01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 1: selective outrage around these things. My my takeaway would be like, bro,

1832
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:37,880
Speaker 1: look at these people as human. When you have something

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01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:40,880
Speaker 1: to say about somebody, think of if or how you've

1834
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:44,680
Speaker 1: ever been in that same position and how you responded. Okay, well, y'all,

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