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Speaker 1: condemn Beijing, because that actually is probably the best way

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Speaker 1: to separate Chinese Americans from China's culpability. What can we

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Speaker 1: do to help you out, ying Ma or would you

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Speaker 1: like people to go or what would you like me

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Speaker 1: to read? Or whatever? Your Twitter accounts? You go website?

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Speaker 1: You what do you got? Uh? My website is Yingma

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Speaker 1: a link at Armstrong and getty dot com so that

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Speaker 1: people can find it effortlessly. Ying Ma, author of Chinese Girl,

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Speaker 1: and getto always great to talk, Thank you, Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. Great to talk to you, guys. Absolutely, we

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Speaker 1: need to revisit what Jerry Nadler just said a little

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Speaker 1: bit ago. That whole God, that's unforgivable. People are blaming

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Speaker 1: China and this is wrong. Boy, wow, what what? Why

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Speaker 1: are you? Why are you carrying water for freaking China? There?

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Speaker 1: And one more point before we move on. You ought

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Speaker 1: to read her book because it's brilliant and it's heartbreaking

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Speaker 1: and the rest of it and all racism is evil

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Speaker 1: in every direction and ought to be condemned. But if

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Speaker 1: you've fallen for the idiotic lie that only white people

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Speaker 1: can be racist. Well read her book and and just

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Speaker 1: by the way, if somebody starts beating down old black

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Speaker 1: people somewhere, we're gonna jump down their throat too. That's

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Speaker 1: not about white black Asian. It's about protecting people and

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Speaker 1: making sure they're not the victims of terrible crimes. Are