WEBVTT - Radio Better Offline: Kyle Barr, Alex Cranz & Michael Fisher 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:03.560 Al Zone Media. 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:10.320 Hello, and welcome to Better Offline. I am, of course 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:24.600 your host ed Zittron and we are in a very 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:28.560 intimate podcast studio on like ninth Avenue and it's a 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:30.720 wonderful day. The last episode we got lost, but it 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:33.000 will not be happening this time. All of you are 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:35.440 very kind with the notes you sent. One of you said, 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:38.000 why don't you take a back up? Thank you. We 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:41.000 never thought of that. It's not like there was another 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:44.600 issue that could have happened in the fucking radio station. Anyway, 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:47.320 Today we have a wonderful gizmos and do Dad's episode. 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:49.280 On my right, I have the wonderful Michael Fish and 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:50.479 mister Muball himself. 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:52.360 Nice to be back. Thank you for having me. 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:55.120 I'm so happy to have you here. Alex Cran's the 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:56.880 wonderful gizmo and gadget queen. 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:59.120 Yeah, I'm so excited to talk about the gizmos. 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:02.880 Me too, And I'm knocking my phone over. That's staying 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:06.720 in the episode. That's where my elbow goes, and there 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:08.480 we go. That's what we do before every episode. And 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:10.399 Kyle Barr of Gizmoto is here as well. 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:12.279 Hello exists, and. 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:14.760 He does exist. So this episode actually came from an 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:16.880 idea of I told you all this now went on 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:19.759 Amazon typed in gadgets because I was like, I haven't 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:21.800 like I mostly spend money on like diet coke and 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:26.000 occasional baseball games and flights and like weird protein snacks 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:27.280 I don't really like. So I was like, you know 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:28.759 what I want? I want some dude ads. I want 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:31.320 to see what gadgets are going typed in gadgets into Amazon. 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:34.200 Fuck all appeared. It was like phones and laptops. I'm like, 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:37.280 I don't need a new phone or laptop. I'm happy 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:40.399 with those. I want something weird and stupid. And I 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:43.280 genuinely was like, wait, why is it so hard to 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:45.000 find these? You go on a text site these days 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:47.760 it's all about fucking AI. So I brought you all 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:50.440 together to talk about the weird stuff you've been looking at. 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:52.440 And Michael, one of my favorite things you do is 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:56.800 you've been the flip phone foldable advocate, and honestly, I'm 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:59.680 deeply jealous raw on Android. I'm so addicted to our message, 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:00.960 but so much. 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:01.280 Fun you have. 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:03.720 So you've got you've got a device in front of you. 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:06.280 I do and the Honor Magic V five, which you 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:07.000 cannot buy here. 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:08.600 One of the world. You cannot buy it here. 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:08.639 No. 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:11.360 One of the world's thinnest foldables, the thinnest foldable if 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:13.200 you decide to lie about it in your spec sheet. 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:16.480 Yeah, it's gorgeous. Yeah, and this thing is and obviously 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:18.440 we'll have links in there. But this thing is. You 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:20.280 can see the crease, but you can't really when you're 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:23.560 looking at it now. I find these things magnificent. I 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:26.400 realized that they're imperfect, but I think they're just lovely. 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:29.520 And there's rumors that Mark German was tweeting earlier about 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:32.280 Apples foldable. Please do it, Please do the Apple. 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:34.600 That's all I want co sign Yeah, big agree. 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:37.840 I mean I want this, but not Android and sold 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:41.200 in the United States. Yeah, and no huge camera bump. 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:42.880 Oh see I like the camera bump. I think it 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:44.840 gives it all kinds of characters. I mean, slap a 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:48.280 big with the quad areo a quad stuff or whatever, 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:49.239 Slap a big one of those. 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:54.280 So this thing has a giant circular like blob coming 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:58.000 out of it, like a moon crater, like the size 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:01.560 of a thing you would stick like a phone onto 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:04.520 a magnetic phone thing like a fairly large circle. I 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:07.919 prefer that to the weird boils coming off my eye 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:10.680 camera and you get a case on, so you've now 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:14.520 got like a raised bit with three and I don't know, 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:16.680 I don't like that. I don't think it looks good. 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.360 I like that it captures all of the lint. 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:22.120 Yes, anytime I put it in my pocket, there's a 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:24.760 bunch of crap and also just a new thing for 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:25.440 me to scratch. 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:27.280 Yeah, it's the best. 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:30.280 I think that that. What we're running up against, though, 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:33.560 is we're approaching the limits of the current interfaces we have. 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:38.560 I think that we are the current tablet phone interfaces 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:41.360 and the current laptop phone interfaces are just kind of 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:43.160 maxed out. And I'm wondering if the next thing is 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:46.000 just foldables and extendables and all this shit not. According 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:51.640 to Mark Zuckerberg, Mark Zuckerberg, Mark Zuckerberg has he has 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:55.440 reimagined his AI department four times in the last year. 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:58.280 It's so cool. I love that this. He's going to 0:03:58.360 --> 0:03:59.720 apparently release a wrist. 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:03.360 Yeah, yeah, No, he's doing the risk stuff so for 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:04.120 better tracking. 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:06.320 What is so do you have any idea, Alex what 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:06.760 he's doing? 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:11.440 Yeah? So his whole conceit until AI came around, was 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:13.119 that the metaverse was going to be the next big 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:16.400 thing he's he's since changed his tune except for presumably 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:20.760 at what does it connect back in next month. And 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:23.440 one of the things he's doing is making it easier 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:24.880 to track. You track your hands and stuff when you 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.640 put on these headsets, whether it's the Apple Vision Pro 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:30.120 or the the Oculus, which is cool, Yeah they're cool, 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:31.760 But when you put them on, you do hand tracking, 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:34.799 and it's kind of like okay, but not great. 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:39.120 Yeah, it's like good enough for some like games like 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:42.400 but even then you're just still using the controllers anyway, right. 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:44.480 And and this this this bracelet and you know we've 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:46.720 seen this before. I think Leap did it like ten 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:49.320 years ago. Oh yeah, but it really is. It's meant 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:51.960 to just be better at tracking you and tracking your 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:52.400 hand booth. 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:54.359 To be clear, you have to be in VR for 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:56.320 this to mean anything, right, you have to first have 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:57.679 on your head. 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:00.240 Be wearing glasses. That happened, That's that's a whole thing. 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:02.000 But they're they're moving towards the one day when they 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:05.000 can do the glasses. But we've been they've been everyone's 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:06.440 been promising glasses for ten years. 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:08.880 But props though we have to I have to say 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:11.680 they're the ray bands are outstanding for a content capture. 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:14.080 I think we all agree on that they're They're really 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:17.200 really good from a phone call perspective for listening to music. 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:19.560 Phone cool work well the phone. 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:21.839 It's just it's a Bluetooth connection to your phone, just 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:22.400 like earbuds. 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:26.440 Oh yeah, yeah, because you've got the putting my hands 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:29.200 in front of that mic. Take that back. Yeah yeah, 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:31.760 because you've got the microphones in the nose piece of 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:34.760 the glasses, so it listens really really well and you can. 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:38.360 Hear music using the glassy little speakers shooting into your ears. 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:42.039 Over They're really really good and some of the best 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:43.120 phone and love this. 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:45.520 Yeah it's cool, but it's also meta. 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:48.880 Well. The tragedy of it is that those are practical 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:50.599 benefits that we all love about them, and they have 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:53.240 a pretty good camera, but Meta refuses to market them 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:55.160 as such because they want to market them as an 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:56.760 AI tool. So it's like, no, you got to use 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:58.600 meta AI to ask what you're looking at? And what 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:00.599 what's the best pool shot I can get on the Bible? 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:01.400 Like no, shut up. 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:03.479 I love that fucking use cases well because it's like 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:05.440 I don't walk around being like what the fuck is that? 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:06.600 What the fuck is that? 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:07.120 What is it? 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:10.120 Just like, sorry, everyone, this is my first rodeo. Like 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:13.840 I'm just like constantly surprised by everything. Yeah, but I 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:17.120 hate that it's them. It's the onion thing, the worst 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:17.719 person you know. 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:18.920 Yeah, has a pretty good point. 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:23.040 But the thing is, Kyle, you you actually talking of glasses. 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:26.080 You were looking at this Insta three sixty thing. 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:27.520 Yep, when you were wearing these. 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:31.720 Robotic glasses, it was like connected to a drone. No, 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:33.160 this thing, I will link to it in the notes. 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:34.280 This thing looks fucking cool. 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:37.440 So those glasses that almost make you look like Cayman Ryder, 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:41.080 like that Japanese superhero, it's all part of this giant 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:43.840 apparatus from Insta three sixty. You know they make three 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.720 sixty cameras, Okay, so what are they gonna do when 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:48.160 they make a drone? Well, they just slap a three 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:51.040 sixty camera on it, okay. But then they also add 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:54.359 the pair of goggles that's similar to the DGI goggle 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:56.520 that you already can get, but this one makes you 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:59.480 able to kind of look around in a three sixty space. 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:03.240 As you're flying around, you literally can turn around and 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:06.520 see below, you see above, you see whatever is happening 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:11.720 around you. Is cool as far as like flying around, Uh, 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:15.200 you know, it's there's other drones like FPV drones, which 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:19.360 also have like a lot more maneuverability to capture first 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:22.560 person view. So it's almost like your you can do 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:23.840 flips and stuff when. 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:24.520 You're in a video game. 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:26.480 Yeah, that's so cool. 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:30.200 So but this one is is more just like experiential. 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:32.960 You can say it's like a quote unquote immersive. That's 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:34.880 the word they like to use, but I prefer to 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:38.360 just say you're you're you're a big floating head in 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:40.360 a glass jar high above the. 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:42.960 Ground video games. That's just that's awesome. 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:45.040 I like it, even though I know in your review 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:47.480 you like it's imperfect, there are issues, and actually what 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:48.679 were the issues you read? 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:52.000 So, I mean it's not like the Best Flyer. There 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:54.880 was problems when you're trying to bank, it'll just stop. 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:56.440 What does what do you mean by banking? 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:59.440 When you're trying to turn Oh, like, uh, this isn't 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:02.320 actually a product yet, it's not out in the open 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:04.320 it's going to be in like twenty twenty six. This 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:06.440 is just like the first iteration, and they're trying to 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:08.640 show it off to people, and they're really trying to 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:10.680 make it like a thing. It's also going to cost 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:13.720 like probably more than two thousand dollars. I can already tell. 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:16.280 I can't hate the thing is. This is not meant 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:18.680 to be like for everyone. And I'm glad someone's doing 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:22.280 something different so much. You can look around a bit 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.080 if you go, like going in a weird canyon or something. Oh, 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.200 fly it like above something like. I like that. I'm 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:30.080 glad that there's something happening. 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:34.240 Yes, because sorry, no, no, no please. I just covered something 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:36.280 that is almost exactly the opposite of this, right where 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:38.720 this is this total immersion thing that you use outside. 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:41.640 And I just got done covering Terminal, which is this 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:43.000 little tablet for the home. 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:44.000 I hate that thing. 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:47.160 Oh I'm excited to hear why you hate. Hold on, 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:49.839 let me tell you what it is. Terminal. Take out 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:51.600 all the vowels, because it is in fact two thousand 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:53.800 and eight. And you put this in your house, It's 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:55.360 like a one hundred and fifty bucks or something. It's 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:58.079 just an e ink screen that gives you ambient information 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:00.800 throughout the day. It's like one of these Google Home 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:03.360 or Amazon things that has a screen, except the screen 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:07.240 is much less distracting, and it is it only refreshes 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:09.160 once every five minutes, and it doesn't listen to you, 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:11.600 doesn't do anything like that. It just tells you the weather, 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:13.240 tells you when the next train is, tells you how 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:14.800 many city bikes at your desk. 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.760 But it doesn't always refresh, and so you're like, oh, 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:19.920 it's not going to rain, and then you just go 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:23.160 outside and you're like, well, whoops. 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:26.800 Yeah, so you're right, because it's it's this very hackery thing. 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:28.559 Not only do you have to tell it like it's 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:30.559 not like an iPad where you're like, okay, refresh every 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:32.040 five minutes. It's like, okay, now you have to go 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:34.080 in and tell all the tools you added that you 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:36.439 want them to refresh every five minutes too. It's like 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:38.880 a Pebble smart watch circa twenty twelve. It's like, okay, 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:40.600 well we've got a tweak it a message. 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:42.680 You have to tweak it so much. But it was 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:45.000 I don't know, I really wanted to like it, but 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:49.000 the slow updates and it's just it's very hackery, and 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:52.360 I was like, I'm much old today. I don't know. 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:54.280 Maybe it was just I appreciated it. I liked having 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:55.960 to put the effort in because here's the thing. I 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:57.720 take the ferry everywhere, right, I don't take a subway 0:09:57.720 --> 0:09:59.360 because I don't have a subwey in my house. But 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:01.000 to do that you had to like go get the 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:03.600 API yourself from the Fairy website and like plug it 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:05.000 in and do that. 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:05.560 That's insane. 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:09.439 It was fun, though, you want a nerd out, I'm nerding. 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:11.640 Okay, now this is great. No, you're right, I know. 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:14.319 I like this whole thing. And is it super customizable? 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:15.680 So it just requires the API? 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:17.560 Yeah, I mean depending on what you want to do. 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:19.319 Yeah, and it's like what one hundred bugs. 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:23.160 Hundred and fifty, Yeah, it's just a little any subscription no, wow. 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:26.440 So is it when you say the API from the ferry, 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:28.240 do you can you code? Did you have to code 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:29.440 it in or is it just you give it a 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:31.920 total like API token and it refreshed that day. 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:34.800 Doing kind of stolen stolen valor for nerds because I'm like, no, 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:36.560 you're just follow the instruction of the thing. And copy 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:37.600 your paste of That's fine. 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:40.600 Someone smarter than us has come back that I love. 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:43.319 I put a table of contents into my newsletter today 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:45.760 and I had to like learn get my editor to 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:48.520 do the HTML and then explain how it works. Yeah, 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:51.080 this is That's part of being online. It's like learning 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:54.200 standing on the shoulders of giants. Like like, you get 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:56.040 two kinds of reeditors. You get the one that's just like, 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:58.240 I'm just a casual racist, and then you've got the 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.079 one which is like, I'm actually the in homebrew on 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:05.000 PlayStation portables, and I'm like in the middle of you too. 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:08.000 I like the idea, but as ever, I'm like, what 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:11.040 shit do I actually need to know every few seconds 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:13.200 other than like what the last thing someone posted was? 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:15.040 Yeah, I think if I were if I was like 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:17.080 a YouTuber, if I was doing that sort of stuff, 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:18.800 I probably want it more. I'm just in my house 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:21.240 smoking weed. So it's like, I just need to know 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:22.640 am I going to get rained on when I go 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.600 sit on the deck. And it's sometimes good at that 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:28.319 And I haven't plugged it in in at least. 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:29.560 A month, give it another ago. 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:31.160 Yeah, I'll plug it in when I get home. 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:33.520 This actually reminded me of something that you've posted about 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:36.800 Kyle as well, which is the GPD Win five, which 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:39.880 is a one of Cranz's favorite industries, the little the 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:43.160 portable PC things. It's so fun because we're talking about 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:46.800 like real just like rinky dnk shit. It has an 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:48.200 external battery. Yep. 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:52.679 So imagine you know, you got your steam deck like handheld, 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:55.480 except you know, the battery life keeps dying. You're like, oh, 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:57.719 that sucks. If only it had a bigger battery. Well, 0:11:57.760 --> 0:11:59.880 they have a bigger battery. It's just attached to a cable. 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.560 You just you have to you can slap it onto 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:03.160 the back of it. 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:04.320 Have you held it yet? No? 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:07.480 No, I mean a lot of these companies, like you know, 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:10.160 a lot of the jankier handhelds are all like China 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:12.600 based companies. Oh yeah, they're all just like cranking them 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:15.440 out routinely, like GPD. This is the fifth one. 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.880 So I have the GPD in wind four. Yeah, and 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:21.160 it is I love it and I fucking hate it. 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:23.680 It is so large. It is so much larger than 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:26.360 It doesn't feel as large until you've used it for 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:27.240 one minute and you're. 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:29.840 Like, oh, but it scratches that itch, doesn't it? 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:32.160 Oh it does. It feels just like a PlayStation portable 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.240 if I take three of them together. But I went 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:36.200 and watched the video and this thing just for for 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:38.640 the on in this ship is just a Windows tablet 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.760 in a PlayStation portable handheld for and it's cool when 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:43.400 it works. You can play Hades two and it looks great, 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:44.000 feels great. 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:45.760 They took the keyboard off this year. It's not it 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:47.160 doesn't a keyboard, no Q. 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:49.920 So that's why I swear there's one with a keyboard 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:54.359 you can slide up that feels like. I'm pretty yeah. 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:56.640 And I like GPD by the way, because they do 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:59.679 just crank out these insane looking like, yeah, you've got 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:03.200 a ten and ten point four inch tiny laptop with 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:06.040 the worst keepboard you've used in the world. It sucks, 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:08.760 but it rules, and you're like, ooh, why did you 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:11.360 make this? Who's buying this? And it's like every Kickstar 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:14.600 is ten many that you're like, ah, criminal enterprises. 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:17.080 No one is buying these things, but we are all 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:17.480 loving that. 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:21.360 I love that they're experimenting. But I actually this is 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:23.480 my Contrussia. I don't mind the external battery. 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:24.600 I don't either. 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:28.040 Is the weird thing, because okay, I've I already have 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:29.920 to do that, like with my switch to I just 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:32.400 rew there's a case that I got that has the 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:34.520 external battery. You slap it onto the back and now 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:37.360 it's lasting four hours instead of two. You already kind 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:39.200 of have to do that with a lot of these handles, 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:42.000 unless you're just sitting at home playing it on your 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:43.960 bed where you have the cable right next to you 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:45.800 and you're like, I'm running lout, plug it in and 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:47.120 go do something else or something. 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:51.520 You know. Yeah, you get the ten foot USBC cable. Yeah, 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:54.760 and then you get the even longer power cable and 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:57.280 you plug everything together and you suddenly got twenty feet 0:13:57.280 --> 0:13:57.640 of reach. 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:01.319 Right. I've seen I've I seen a few people derisively 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:04.040 talking about this external battery situation. It's like, I don't know. 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:07.080 I love my rog x ally, I really do, but 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:10.400 the motherfucker if you leave it, it's like you hit 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:12.560 sleep and it just you're like, this will sleep, and 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:14.280 you come back in an hour and it's dead. It's 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:15.280 just a world cup. 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:19.840 Wait, well that's because the windows machines really struggle with 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:20.600 powering down. 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:22.960 Like I'm just gonna say, I'm glad nothing has changed 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:24.440 in Windows for the last twenty years. 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:26.920 Never Yeah, it will never change. Windows will always be 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.480 the most inconsistent handling of power. 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:33.320 I think Microsoft is truly evil. I think like they 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:36.760 have like such an open goal here with handhelds. They 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:39.520 have companies. I know that they're doing an Xbox rog 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:41.960 ally x and I saw fucking Tom Warren on the 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:43.720 verge go for the first time. You just hit a button, 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:45.760 you go to Windows. Actually, Tom, you could do that 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.600 with all the rocks. Fucking but it's just like they 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:51.320 they're like, we're releasing a special Xbox. Did we change 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:54.440 Windows in any way? Fuck you customer? Yeah, piece of shit. Well, 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:56.480 and usually we laid off everyone who did that. 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:59.800 I will say, usually it's not Microsoft's fault. It's usually 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:01.960 these other companies are just not building the drivers and 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:05.880 stuff to properly handle power management. But it was also 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:10.160 Microsoft's fault because the Xbox rog what I didn't even 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:10.720 hear about this. 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:11.800 Tell me more you didn't hear it. 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:17.560 It's it is basically a l weird like handheld. Yeah, 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:19.880 there's the Xbox grips that come along with it. 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:23.880 The Okay, so according to I want those grips so bad. 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:24.520 So this is the thing. 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:26.800 You don't even need to get the new one, really 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.440 the grips. Well no, because if you want the grips 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:30.560 and you have to get the new one. But the 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:33.680 whole like thing with it now is that they've changed 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:37.360 the software. They're saying that they've limited enough a number 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:38.880 of stuff on the back end so that it should 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.040 run better, it should sleep better, so it should be 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:43.240 better with power management. And this is a lot of shoulds, 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:46.640 right because none of us have actually, you know, put 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:48.680 it through its space is like over a long term. 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:49.320 Uh. 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:53.320 I just think that Microsoft is trying, but they're doing 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:55.840 it so late, and it's coming off of like a 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:59.320 bunch of stuff that happened recently with Xbox that made 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:00.520 them look really bad. 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:02.440 So they look like they're trying too hard. 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:02.760 Right. 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:05.600 They had a handteld. It was long rumored. I remember 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:07.560 Tom was covering it at the verge, and then they 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:10.120 just abruptly killed it because they realized. 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:12.040 I wasn't sure how far along that was even. 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.600 Well, my understanding was this fairly far along, but they 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:18.040 were entirely dependent on Streaming to handle it. They go 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:21.240 they go to them yeah, game pass is great. I 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:25.280 use it on my steam deck, but it's not great 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:26.320 enough to do it that. 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:29.440 Yeah, when not they get Yeah, this actually reminds me. 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:31.080 I wanted to ask you about this. At some point 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:34.200 you said something about g force now in stall, and 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:36.640 I've seen stories about this. What is this g force 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:38.880 now install thing? Crans? 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:40.880 I mean, I just know g Force now. You tell me. 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:45.320 Okay, well, okay, g Force now they just released an update. 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:47.280 So g force now is a streaming service. You have 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:51.040 to play your own games versus like you know, other 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:54.880 like xboxes cloud gaming thing where you can use their games, 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:56.320 and like you're paying for the service. 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:56.640 This one. 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:58.920 You're paying for the service to use their servers to 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:02.520 download the games and play them remotely. They've just added 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:05.040 a thing where supposedly you'll be able to just kind 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:08.600 of use your whatever games like not even on their list, 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:12.640 as long as a developer opts in whatever that really means, 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:15.840 if they're already opted in probably uh, then you can 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:19.479 just rent out space on their servers to download that 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:22.240 game and then basically just have a Shadow PC to 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:23.200 play those games. 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:25.560 Are interesting that's been going. I mean, there was a 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.040 company Shadow that's exactly what I'm still around. 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:32.480 Yeah, they're just really expensive there, and. 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:35.520 I mean in video. The reason they're likely doing this 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:37.679 is they have a lot of server space. They have 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:39.920 a ton of server space because it's in Vidia, and 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:42.280 they've currently made everyone's four Oka four oh one k 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:45.959 beautiful crik now for now for at least the end 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:51.320 of this month, till Wednesday. 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:50.800 We know that. 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:53.280 But but yeah, that's why they're doing it, is they 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:55.520 have all the server space, and it's like, why not 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:57.400 make a few extra bucks because it's not like it's 0:17:57.400 --> 0:17:59.200 not going to be a huge money driver for them, 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:01.560 but there are people out there who want to play 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:03.199 their games remote. They used to be able to do 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:05.120 that when it first launch. 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:07.640 Yes, that'll get a little more popular once we get 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.360 one of the more gadgety elements of phones back, which 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:14.040 is this. Remember Samsung Decks, this sort of desktop simulator 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:15.520 that lets you use your plug your phone into a 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:19.480 monitoring keyboard and mouse, and well it's been just decrepit 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:22.040 and gathering dust for ages. It hasn't been updated in 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:24.000 a meaningful way in a long time. But now that 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:26.800 Android Google's building it into Android sixteen. Is this kind 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:28.840 of mode that will not require you to have a 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:30.679 Samsung phone. You can have any Android phone running FRO 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:33.320 running sixteen. One of the things I did was, I 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:35.119 thank you for reminding me about Shadow, because I forgot 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:37.439 last time I reviewed Samsung Decks. I used Shadow to 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:40.520 play like Titanic Adventure, Out of Time and other CD 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:43.680 Rohm classics from my youth, and it was absolutely great. 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:46.000 But wait, wait, wait, what does decks actually do. 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:48.600 It's so you plug your phone into a monitoring keyboard 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:53.119 and mouse and you do not USBC, SBC whatever, and 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:56.280 then it just creates a desktop environment like it like Windows, 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:58.800 except it's Android. It's your fine, so you don't have 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:00.600 to find a Wi Fi hat, You've reready got a 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:02.480 se connection. You don't have to move your files to 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:03.880 it because your files are already on your phone. 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:10.080 Atrix promised us this fifteen years and Trix Variety. 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:16.120 And Atrix four G Yeah, they never trust that fucking guy. 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:18.800 Well actually was good now that they've got the. 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.440 Race Razor Ultra, we love that. We love a wooden phone. 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:22.800 And thank you Lenovo Wooden. 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:25.560 Indeed it's wood on it. You got wood, You got Alcantara. 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:28.320 If you want to get a really gross overnight and 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:29.600 then what fake? 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:31.280 What do you mean gross? 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:36.120 Like yes, yeah, alcantara is is like a fabric and 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:39.119 that was what they put on the palm rest for 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:41.960 the surface. And it can get dirty. 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:48.520 Because it's one just flipping out of a low razor. 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:50.920 But like two months in after you do like a 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:53.760 New York summer, it's just going to be so disgusting 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:54.280 on the front. 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:57.159 No one will ever drop it like just absorbs all. 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:01.280 But you know then it's your You've got a nice patina. 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:03.800 No one will ever touch it because they'll be disgusting. 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:07.240 Yeah right, yeah, I think it's great and I will 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:09.640 say it. I want Apple to do this fucking flip phone. 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:11.520 I want him to do something different. I'm tired of 0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:14.520 I want my I have the most giant phone. I 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:16.879 occasionally go back to the smaller iPhone. I hate it. 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:19.040 I want the big one again, except I want an 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:21.720 even bigger one. I want Apple to do foldables so bad. 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:23.360 I don't need to wait for a photoble. I got 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:25.560 just the thing for you. Ever use clicks for the iPhone? 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:30.359 I have a clicks I have a click disclosure. 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:33.560 I am a co founder click co found I bought 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:35.560 when I sent you a picture of me using which 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:36.880 I appreciate it and I. 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:38.639 Hear that makes it big. Just use that and it 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:39.440 makes it click you too. 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:41.840 No, the thing is, I don't have a trouble typing 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:44.439 on the phone at all. I just want the screen. 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:46.560 I would like my screen to be twice the size. 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:47.960 Well, you could just carry an iPad. 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:50.360 I do carry an iPad, and I love the iPad pro. 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:55.520 I really do take photos. I'm not my dad, my dad. No, 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:57.520 I love my dad. He pulls out his iPad many 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:00.679 and it's just like the most like it's no, No, 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:02.480 I love it. I love the fact that he's into 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:04.760 the iPad because I got him as the original iPad 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:07.520 whenever like the second. No, it's the first iPad many 0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:09.879 they released. And my dad, I love hearing this and 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:12.040 he loved it. He uses it all the time, and 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:14.400 I consider like that the best sign of technology. 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:16.680 If like like like an. 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:18.720 Older person who's just a regular person who does like 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:21.760 a business job and like listens to the radio and 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:24.680 watches the news, Like what are their use cases with it? 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:26.480 And the fact that he picks it up and uses 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:28.840 it like as a pic, as a as a picture taker. 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:31.040 That's the term picture taker. 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:34.560 Yes, I think it's lovely, and I think it affordable. 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:38.160 And look it's me, he's photographing me, and that's actually 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:40.280 really cool. And this is yeah, And I get back 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:42.600 to my thing that the UX situation. We're just at 0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:44.000 the limits of the current UX. 0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:44.760 I think so. 0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:47.600 And also my controversial opinion, which is the vision pro 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:49.720 is amazing when it works. 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:52.000 It's so heavy it is. 0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:53.880 But when I say when it works, I mean we're 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:56.520 talking four percent of the time. Have I told any 0:21:56.560 --> 0:21:58.840 of you what's happened with my vision progress? So I 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:01.479 got told my good Matt Bambike, who told me that 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:04.679 Metallica was on the vision prom like a big, heavy 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:07.119 thing that's kind of lost its way and we're not 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:09.880 really sure why we engage with it. Sounds like Metallica. 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:12.520 So I get this thing, I put it on. It goes. 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:14.680 You need to update the fuck it. Okay, I'll update. 0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:16.359 I have that shit all the time. I let it 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:18.320 start downloading, I pick it up, I put it down, 0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:21.240 I pick it up, the UX doesn't load again. Yeah, 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:24.119 you have to keep this thing on your fucking head 0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:26.639 while you update it. Yep, it's like a fifteen minute 0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:29.960 long update. This feels like just the easiest thing in 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:33.080 the world for them to fix, and it's just it's 0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:36.159 so annoying because there are there are like several minutes 0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:38.320 at a time when I'm using the Vision Pro when 0:22:38.359 --> 0:22:40.000 I can make it work, which is not at the 0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:43.119 moment where I'm just like, damn, this feels like the 0:22:43.119 --> 0:22:46.119 few It's a giant screen. It like I can grab things, 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:49.760 and then like the headset moves three centimeters. Yeah, and 0:22:49.800 --> 0:22:50.960 now it's out of focus. 0:22:51.119 --> 0:22:52.639 Have you used to quest like this? 0:22:52.800 --> 0:22:55.080 I have the Quest three and it's just like even 0:22:55.119 --> 0:22:59.399 then my strange skulleah, like lots of people love measuring 0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:03.440 my skulls reasons, but it's just like the Quest three 0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:06.480 doesn't feel right, but it feels better than this. Yeah, 0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:08.600 But the Vision Pro has these moments, and I think 0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:11.359 it's just because the it's less about the Vision Pro 0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:13.200 more the idea of yeah, an interface that we could 0:23:13.200 --> 0:23:14.800 reach out and grab and move around with our hands. 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:17.240 It makes sense and it works when it works, but 0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:19.359 it doesn't work very often, and it's just the problem 0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:21.800 is is every article is either this is the most 0:23:21.840 --> 0:23:25.000 amazing thing, which is not, or it's this completely sucks, 0:23:25.720 --> 0:23:27.720 which it does a lot of the time. 0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:32.000 Yeah, where it's in a journey. 0:23:31.560 --> 0:23:33.960 I wish all the money if from AI had gone 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:36.840 into this, not because I think it would be particularly successful, 0:23:36.840 --> 0:23:38.960 but we get we get somewhere too quicker. 0:23:39.160 --> 0:23:41.600 It did go into it at Meta, it didn't go. 0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:45.480 Yeah, forty two billion dollars went into experiments doing air quotes. 0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:59.040 Yeah, I mean that's what Android X are is supposed 0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:01.960 to be. Right, it's going to be first Samsung's Project 0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:04.040 Muhan is just going to be you know, one Apple 0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:07.639 Vision Pro but with Yeah, it's so Samsung's making a 0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:12.160 Vision Pro. It's gonna have very similar like micro oled displays. 0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:13.800 I don't know if it's going to go the full 0:24:13.880 --> 0:24:16.640 like four K four K or whatever bullshit, but it'll 0:24:16.720 --> 0:24:19.919 just be like, you know, it'll be Android's version of 0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:22.920 Apple's Vision OS. It's just going to be a little 0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:26.080 bit more AI focused because it's all full of Google. 0:24:26.320 --> 0:24:26.480 Yeah. 0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:30.360 Because I was using these Vichua glasses if you heard 0:24:30.359 --> 0:24:31.160 of these, Yes. 0:24:30.960 --> 0:24:32.679 I've used them these weirdly in. 0:24:34.160 --> 0:24:35.960 Just put them on you have a USB. It doesn't 0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:37.879 try and be fancy enough, and you just have a 0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:40.040 couple you put in your phone and you have them 0:24:40.040 --> 0:24:42.320 on your glasses and it looks pretty big. 0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:46.280 That's that's the best thing about Like, yeah, I like 0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:49.360 air glasses because I just like secondary screens. It's like, oh, okay, 0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:51.320 you know they're good for a plane. They're just a 0:24:51.359 --> 0:24:53.520 little bit expensive, but yeah they do what do you 0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:54.320 need them to do? 0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:56.680 Then I put it on the plane, I'm like, ah, right, 0:24:57.200 --> 0:24:59.359 I don't want to look straight ahead. But it was 0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:02.159 just like me, just like this is cool. Can I 0:25:02.200 --> 0:25:04.879 move it to Nope, this is attached to my fucking face. 0:25:05.720 --> 0:25:07.760 But there is something here, I swear to. 0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:10.040 God, no, there is something. 0:25:10.560 --> 0:25:13.000 There's so much more here than Generative AI. Like with 0:25:13.080 --> 0:25:15.800 General AI have not had a goddamn moment of peace 0:25:15.840 --> 0:25:18.280 in two years, but also not a goddamn moment where 0:25:18.280 --> 0:25:20.960 I've been like okay, I kind of I kind of 0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:22.840 see it. And there were moments with the Vision. There's 0:25:22.840 --> 0:25:25.840 moments with the Quest where I've been like, okay, like 0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:28.760 horseshoes and hand grenades. Yeah, Steam game where you can 0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:31.439 just like pick up guns and it's like extremely realistic 0:25:31.480 --> 0:25:34.080 and it just feels so good and it's satisfied, like 0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:36.760 exactly the kind of moment that you're like, this is 0:25:36.880 --> 0:25:40.160 great fun technology. I fucking love the future. The same 0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:42.240 thing when I I remember when I got the original 0:25:42.320 --> 0:25:45.800 iPhone on singular wireless in Penn State, and I remember 0:25:45.880 --> 0:25:48.040 the moment of like, Wow, I don't have to wait 0:25:48.080 --> 0:25:50.359 for my voicemail. Wow, I can just type out and 0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:52.920 I can move apps. This is cool. Those moments are 0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:55.600 there with XR and VR. I'm actually like, I'm not 0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:58.399 like a fantasist about it. Most of the shit sucks. 0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:01.399 Yeah. Well, I think Google is going to say is 0:26:01.400 --> 0:26:04.040 that they've invested in AI so that the AI can 0:26:04.080 --> 0:26:06.960 go and actually fix all of the problems that the 0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:09.760 brilliant scientists and researchers haven't been able to do, to 0:26:09.800 --> 0:26:13.560 actually make a pair of good looking XR glasses that 0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:14.560 you can wear on your face. 0:26:14.680 --> 0:26:16.320 That it's so funny. 0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:19.640 Well, so I spent almost the entirety of last CEES 0:26:19.760 --> 0:26:22.200 looking at displays because I was going to cover other things, 0:26:22.240 --> 0:26:24.400 and then I very quickly realized the most interesting stuff 0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:28.760 on the floor was was eyeglasses for ar you know, applications, 0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:31.439 and I used the even realities g one. If you 0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:34.080 used these one of these, these are some very normal 0:26:34.160 --> 0:26:37.000 looking glasses that if you're a Harry Potter fan, you're 0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:38.639 you're really a fan of them, because they can't make 0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:40.399 you look like that. But they don't look like they 0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:41.960 have tech in them. In fact, the first ad I 0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:43.879 saw for them, I did not believe that they existed. 0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:45.080 I'm like, you guys are just hitting me with a 0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:47.200 render and this is vapor where it's never going to launch. 0:26:47.240 --> 0:26:48.760 And so I'm on a friend's head and I'm like, what, 0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:50.840 wait are those they? And you put them on and 0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:55.920 they have us monochrome wargames esque like green text. 0:26:56.040 --> 0:26:58.320 Displace these on Instagram. Dude. 0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:02.080 They are and they look they do very few things, 0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:03.880 but they do them all pretty damn well. 0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:06.560 As Chris fvelasco, the legend of it was, I was 0:27:06.560 --> 0:27:08.040 talking about them and they're great. 0:27:08.080 --> 0:27:09.840 I kept wearing them for weeks after the review and 0:27:09.880 --> 0:27:13.560 what they do and caveat I'm a sucker for notification 0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:17.520 dashboards terminal smart watches. This takes your smart watch, puts 0:27:17.560 --> 0:27:19.920 it on your face and so if you're just interacting, 0:27:19.920 --> 0:27:21.639 you're fine, and then you look up and then you 0:27:21.640 --> 0:27:24.560 have a little dashboard you have to look up. No, 0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:25.960 you can set it so that if you get a 0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:27.560 notification that pops up right in front of your so 0:27:27.560 --> 0:27:29.959 if I'm looking at you, I'm actually reading my messages 0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:31.360 and that's creepy, So I keep that off. 0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:33.280 I'm like, I'm the other way around though, where I'm like, 0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:35.239 I wouldn't want this on all the time, but if 0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:37.200 I could look up just to take a look, Yeah, 0:27:37.200 --> 0:27:39.280 because if I see a notification, I want to chew 0:27:39.280 --> 0:27:40.720 on it. Yeah, I want to take a look. What 0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:43.840 you go for me? Absolutely? And I love this. And again, 0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:47.480 is this super useful? It's useful? Is it too expensive? 0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:48.440 I assume yes? 0:27:48.480 --> 0:27:48.800 Probably. 0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:50.480 I forgot how they look like. 0:27:50.440 --> 0:27:52.520 You have to wear a leather duster with them whenever. 0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:54.800 Yeah, no, that's that's the thing. So this is my 0:27:54.880 --> 0:27:56.800 main complaint with all the other stuff you're talking about, 0:27:56.920 --> 0:27:58.760 is like the I'm sorry, I always bring out XP 0:27:58.760 --> 0:28:01.280 real just to like beat on them, but like great technology, 0:28:01.320 --> 0:28:03.240 but when you wear it, it's it is x reel. 0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:06.040 You put on sunglasses, but you have like four inches 0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:07.960 of I don't know, foam between them and your eyes, 0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:10.119 Like they just ride so damn high and they're just 0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:12.040 just because of the what is x rel They're like 0:28:12.280 --> 0:28:14.480 what you just described for airplane viewing. They're like, you know, 0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:17.480 wearable displays for years, but they're. 0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:19.800 Also working on an XSAR thing for Android. 0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:23.320 Are they yep? Okay, that means display technology that doesn't 0:28:23.320 --> 0:28:25.880 require like you know, you would working. 0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:27.720 Vision pro by. Now, if they'd put the four hundred 0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:30.040 billion dollars into this ship, like that's the that's the 0:28:30.080 --> 0:28:33.399 actual thing. If they wanted to invest in the future, 0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:35.960 even if it's not xr VR, if they put hundreds 0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:38.640 of billions of dollars into the next interface, and their 0:28:38.720 --> 0:28:40.960 argument would be, oh, yeah, well, AI is the next 0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:44.600 interface because you can just talk right, No, I can't. No, 0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:47.080 I can't at all. I have a British accent. Do 0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:49.800 you know I have to have British Siri sometimes because 0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:51.040 sometimes Siri just because I don't. 0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:53.680 Oh no, I don't. A lot of my family has 0:28:53.720 --> 0:28:57.560 really strong Southern and Texas accents. It's incredible, like it 0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:01.000 has not nothing has improved from when Google first and 0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:04.840 out first issued like voicemail where we would transcribe it. 0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:08.400 Nothing's improved, Siri, Android, any of them. If they've got 0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:10.920 a really strong accent and they're talking like dish, no, no, 0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:13.000 my god, it's not nonal fucking work. 0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:16.200 Oh my god, just tie it out. You have to 0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:18.120 people in the South and people in love Baltimore. 0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:22.520 Just fuck just absolutely fun giving that food question. Actually, 0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:24.040 did you know that when you go to Europe the 0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:26.480 Android dictation engine changes. 0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:28.440 No GDPR I sum or something like that. 0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:31.200 I don't know why. All I know is when I'm 0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:33.080 in Europe and I'm trying to type and I'm like, no, 0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:35.560 I'll come to you period, it says period. I have 0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:37.120 to say no, I'll come to you full stop. 0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:38.280 Oh that makes more sense. 0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:39.640 Yeah, it's pretty cool. It's pretty smart. 0:29:40.520 --> 0:29:42.840 If you go around in England being like period, people 0:29:42.880 --> 0:29:46.360 don't look at this at the end of every sentence like, oh, 0:29:47.240 --> 0:29:51.560 you seem fine. But it's I do think though that 0:29:51.640 --> 0:29:56.040 this is this is a very dread infused time. It's 0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:58.320 very doom ory. But then I see these little folded 0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:00.880 I see the fun device. I'm like, that's industry does 0:30:00.880 --> 0:30:04.600 actually have other things. It's just I think we might 0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:07.640 have maxed out software. I think we may have reached 0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:10.400 the limits of what software can do based on what 0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:11.920 we have as computing devices. 0:30:12.480 --> 0:30:14.360 I'm sure, yeah. 0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:16.080 I'm sure it's not fully at the limits, but I'm 0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:19.720 just saying as far as consumers go with using stuff. 0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:22.600 But what do you think, Alex I would. 0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:28.080 Say that it is more laziness of the large companies, 0:30:28.680 --> 0:30:31.800 the Apples and the Samsung's and the Googles and the Microsoft's, 0:30:31.920 --> 0:30:36.280 the Lenovo's, I mean, well, the Lenovo actually they have fun. Yeah, 0:30:36.320 --> 0:30:38.440 Lenovo's actually really good at like we're going to experiment, 0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:39.560 and they're Chinese company. 0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:40.960 They're always trying something you. 0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:43.640 Know a lot of but the primarily these American companies 0:30:43.680 --> 0:30:46.720 making gadgets and stuff, they don't try. All of they're 0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:49.360 interested in is how can I get you to replace 0:30:49.360 --> 0:30:50.640 what you have in two years? 0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:51.040 Yeah? 0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:53.280 That's it. And instead of being like, how can I 0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:55.080 get you to replace what you have in two years 0:30:55.120 --> 0:30:59.040 by completely redefining the entire industry, they're like, now you 0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:03.240 can use magnets, it's longer, and it's like, well, that's cool, 0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:05.320 But am I really going to upgrade my phone just 0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:07.840 for that? I might, No, people in this room might. 0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:09.800 I definitely would, but but you're right, but with. 0:31:09.720 --> 0:31:12.000 The people outside of this room, anybody. 0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:12.160 Have a case for that. 0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:15.280 It's also I think they've tried to do everything with 0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:18.440 one device, which is great, but that's where you bump up, 0:31:18.520 --> 0:31:21.360 like the limits of entertainment I think are we're reaching, 0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:25.240 especially because watching I'm done with people telling me to 0:31:25.240 --> 0:31:27.600 watch I don't know how people watch like full movies 0:31:27.640 --> 0:31:29.640 on their phone. Even the biggest, most hug just for 0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:30.360 they're young. 0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:31.280 They stirred it. 0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:33.600 No, I mean I mean older people too. I mean 0:31:33.640 --> 0:31:36.680 I've just met people and it's like on like a 0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:39.400 six inch phone and it's like, what the fuck? This 0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:40.480 is worse than an app. 0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:42.520 My brother did that. He watched Sinners like on his 0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:45.680 pad and he's like, why does everybody like Sinners? It's 0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:47.479 not very good? And I was like, how'd you watch it, like, 0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:48.880 you know, in the middle of the day with the 0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:50.720 lights all on on my iPad? And I'm like, well, 0:31:50.720 --> 0:31:53.960 of course you didn't like it. Hell yeah, did it together, sir? 0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:58.320 Watching The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly on Detroit too, 0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:02.280 that was a good fun I like the droid too. 0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:04.400 That was And also, just to be clear, you can 0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:07.760 do experiments that suck. I did also try the BlackBerry 0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:10.640 Storm back in the day. With It's like it was 0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:13.480 a screen where you could just like do happen. It 0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:15.160 was like you could press it felt like you were 0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:16.680 pressing in, but it felt. 0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:18.120 It didn't it flowed down a button. 0:32:18.320 --> 0:32:21.720 It felt bad. It felt like it was a slightly 0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:25.200 harder version of poking some like Greek yoga. It was, 0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:29.760 which is not the sensation I want? While typing like 0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:30.680 a clunk to it. 0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:33.560 That was the one that, like BlackBerry was like, this 0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:34.320 is gonna save us. 0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:36.800 Yeah, it was that big. It was so it was 0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:39.600 like the homomobile of funds. It's fucking wrong. I love 0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:41.040 them for how bad it was. 0:32:41.200 --> 0:32:43.160 Yeah, they were like, we're gonna we don't need this 0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:44.960 multi touch stuff. 0:32:45.000 --> 0:32:47.560 We got this, Yeah, we got you want your screen 0:32:47.640 --> 0:32:48.080 to move? 0:32:49.040 --> 0:32:51.080 Do you ever want a screen that feels that makes 0:32:51.080 --> 0:32:53.160 you feel bad every time you touch it? And everyone 0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:55.400 else is like we're working on that with different ways. 0:32:56.920 --> 0:33:00.840 It's I also think that the it's nice to see 0:33:00.920 --> 0:33:03.960 here that there's some fun as well because the AI 0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:06.360 stuff and I'm not gonna make this a big complain 0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:08.280 first about AI. You got the rest of the episodes, 0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:12.240 but there's something joyless about large language. It's not fun. 0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:14.280 I'm not using any of it and being like, oh, 0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:16.680 how whimsicll like, oh you're having They don't seem like 0:33:16.720 --> 0:33:19.400 we're haven't they're having fun. We're not having fun at 0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:22.360 least with some dorky, insane fun. You're like, okay, yeah, 0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:23.040 what are you good fun? 0:33:23.080 --> 0:33:25.800 I mean the vibe coders. The vibe coders are having fun. 0:33:25.640 --> 0:33:28.120 Though they're not read the Vibe coding Reddit. It's a 0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:32.080 bunch of people talking like they've been captured by North Korea. Yeah, 0:33:32.400 --> 0:33:34.840 it's straighted. Be like, I love doing this every day mice. 0:33:34.880 --> 0:33:36.760 I've put three months of my life and thousands of 0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:39.240 dollars into this, and I have eight paying customers. 0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:40.960 It's the best thing in the world. 0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:43.200 It's so funny. And you you read and they're like, yeah, 0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:46.360 I don't get how this happened. And someone will be like, yeah, 0:33:46.360 --> 0:33:48.800 you don't read code. You can't understand how this cat 0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:50.360 well I asked it to tell me. It's like, yeah, 0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:54.520 that's that's the problem. But it's like, there's nothing dorky 0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:56.560 or funny about it. Even the meta verse was more 0:33:56.560 --> 0:33:57.040 fun than this. 0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:00.800 It was more fun to make fun of it. 0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:04.479 Like the metaverse. That first time you put on that 0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:08.240 stupid Windows headset and you had your big Windows playhouse 0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:10.520 and you go and you put a giant dinosaur in it, 0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:12.279 and then you ask your coworker to try on the 0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:13.840 headset and they're like, why the hell is a giant 0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:17.279 dinosaur staring at me? Like that's fun, but you can't 0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:20.240 do that. Yeah, it's it's hard to troll people with AI. 0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:22.080 I mean you have to, like you really have to 0:34:22.080 --> 0:34:22.640 think about it. 0:34:22.719 --> 0:34:25.360 That's the thing, though. People trolled a little hard. Because 0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:29.320 what I also enjoyed was watching during the metaverse, regular 0:34:29.360 --> 0:34:31.719 journalists be like I'll check cut this VR chat thing 0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:34.839 and just like getting the worst people online. A bunch 0:34:34.920 --> 0:34:38.960 of people dressed as knuckles just doing racism constantly, just 0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:41.600 like endless races. And if you're thirteen year old, Yeah, 0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:43.719 just thirteen year old saying the worst sheet you've heard 0:34:43.760 --> 0:34:47.040 in your life, and like I'm here from a business magazine. 0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:50.719 It's like, fuck you, piece of shit. No, it's great. 0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:53.239 I think the journalists need to see the real Internet occasionally. 0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:55.719 Yeah, but you can't do that with You can. 0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:57.560 Just do that with the Internet. You've been able to 0:34:57.600 --> 0:35:01.320 do it for decades. It's just but the metaverse also 0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:03.399 you saw some people try some weird shit. You saw 0:35:03.440 --> 0:35:05.520 a lot of grifters and all this crap, like whatever, 0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:08.520 but it was like at least someone was having fun. 0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:12.120 Mark Zuckerberg was lying, but also people didn't really full 0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:14.440 ask the metaverse. I wish that they had put this 0:35:14.520 --> 0:35:16.359 kind of money into it, because we would have got 0:35:16.360 --> 0:35:19.040 one really shit thing and one really funny thing. 0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:22.040 Yeah, and I mean they to an extent they did 0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:24.279 put the money in, Like apples, Apple spent a lot 0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:24.640 of money. 0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:26.600 I don't think they did that because of the metaverse. 0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:28.000 I think that they were planning it anyway. 0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:30.640 Really, I think I always felt it was like, we 0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:32.799 need to play catch up. Everyone is talking. 0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:35.560 They've been Yeah, I can see that Apple, But I 0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:38.400 refuse to believe it's been two three years. Well it 0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:40.600 came out twenty twenty four. I don't think they've only 0:35:40.640 --> 0:35:43.400 been working on it two years. Maybe they don't accelerated. 0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:43.400 Out they've been. 0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:45.160 They've been working on it for Steve Jobs would have 0:35:45.200 --> 0:35:47.480 fucking killed them. Can you imagine Steve Jobs finding about that. 0:35:47.680 --> 0:35:50.760 He would have beaten someone to death with the willows. 0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:54.279 Wasn't the idea that they were creating glasses first, and 0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:56.440 then they're like, this is the step towards the glasses 0:35:56.480 --> 0:35:58.800 and now well there was all that talk whether or 0:35:58.800 --> 0:36:00.840 not they're actually making a glass. Now they're back on 0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:02.840 whether or not they're going to be smart glasses or 0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:05.880 ar glasses. It seems silly. 0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:09.680 Yeah, everybody was like, okay, and this, this is the 0:36:10.280 --> 0:36:14.080 dumbest part of the generative AI moment is ten years 0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:17.240 ago everybody was like, we're going to have smart glasses, 0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:18.880 but they are going to be you put them on 0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:21.520 and you talk to somebody because Alexa is doing it 0:36:21.800 --> 0:36:24.040 and there's in Siri and all of this, So we're 0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:26.080 going to do it just like this. It didn't work 0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:29.799 because we don't know how to interact audio wise with 0:36:30.000 --> 0:36:32.120 computers and stuff. It's not just like it is in 0:36:32.200 --> 0:36:35.000 Star Trek. It's actually more complex, right, you have to 0:36:35.120 --> 0:36:37.520 consider multiple users and stuff. So everybody's like, okay, how 0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:39.800 else can we do this, Well, we'll do the metaverse 0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:42.839 and we'll do these ar glasses. And then they were like, wait, 0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:46.280 we can't figure out how to make these glasses small enough, 0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:49.360 with battery life, with good vision, Like, we can't do 0:36:49.440 --> 0:36:51.440 all of that. And then Generative AI came out and 0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:52.880 there was everbody's like, you know what, we're gonna do 0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:53.600 that Alexa. 0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:57.040 Shit again, I love that as well, because Alexa didn't work. 0:36:57.360 --> 0:36:59.279 It still doesn't, and they were like, well, we'll make 0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:02.640 a new one that works worse. Yes, and it's I 0:37:02.680 --> 0:37:04.920 haven't have any of you used Alexa plus yet no? 0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:06.320 Yeah, not only in demos. 0:37:06.680 --> 0:37:10.000 Damn I was I really when I read about that, 0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:12.200 and they're like, it's worse and it can you can 0:37:12.239 --> 0:37:15.040 be like, yeah, make me a recipe for like chicken 0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:18.279 pasta and it will tell you it. And I just 0:37:18.320 --> 0:37:20.719 think that people need to accept the voice is not 0:37:20.800 --> 0:37:23.960 a good interface just in general. I don't think it 0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:25.600 needs to be perfect perfect. 0:37:26.280 --> 0:37:30.400 There's so much more training of ourselves. 0:37:30.040 --> 0:37:31.640 Right because like you, I don't want to be trained. 0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:33.000 I want to use the thing, but you. 0:37:32.960 --> 0:37:35.120 Are trained, Like we're all trained. We're trained to use our. 0:37:35.000 --> 0:37:37.560 Phone limited use cases like you know, turn the lights on, 0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:40.400 to turn to open the garage door or whatever like. 0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:43.719 But but beyond that, to your point, like it's it's 0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:46.120 required to be usable by such a wide squath of 0:37:46.160 --> 0:37:48.040 humans that it's almost important. 0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:49.799 We all want to do it, just like start absolutely. 0:37:49.880 --> 0:37:52.040 I also think it has a very flat view of tasks. 0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:54.480 I think that most people think that it's going to 0:37:54.520 --> 0:37:57.920 be well, people like Sunda Pushai or Andy jasse think 0:37:57.960 --> 0:37:59.520 that people go into the house and go and I 0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:01.560 will do that, and I will do this, not me. 0:38:02.200 --> 0:38:04.319 I'm like, what about the YouTube? What about the chrome thing? Oh? 0:38:04.320 --> 0:38:06.080 I just breathe this off. Well now why fuck? I'm 0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:07.959 meant to send an email? Send an email? Okay, Fuck, 0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:10.600 I've got the information for the email. Shit, why am I? 0:38:10.680 --> 0:38:12.160 Why is it so fucking hot in here? I need 0:38:12.200 --> 0:38:14.000 to make it cold in it? Fuck? It's how to 0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:15.000 put this YouTube back on? 0:38:15.320 --> 0:38:16.719 Yeh, you can't multitask at all. 0:38:16.800 --> 0:38:19.520 Right. It also just can't do any context switching. You 0:38:19.600 --> 0:38:20.200 cannot do it. 0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:22.680 And I will do something which I think would be 0:38:22.719 --> 0:38:25.399 ten amount of suicide on any other day. I will 0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:30.160 defend an LLM on your podcast. Okay, I feel like 0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:32.880 it's probably a good mechanic for training these things to 0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:35.719 do exactly that, because I have found the one enjoyable 0:38:35.760 --> 0:38:38.000 bit of using lllm's I've found is that I'll talk 0:38:38.040 --> 0:38:40.560 to Gemini Live a lot, because I'm very used to 0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:43.120 as we all are, doing a Google Voice dictated search 0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:45.960 for what I'm looking for. But I love that Gemini 0:38:46.040 --> 0:38:48.000 lets me talk to it like my brain actually works, 0:38:48.120 --> 0:38:50.080 like thinking about this thing. It's like a wrench, but 0:38:50.080 --> 0:38:51.920 it's not. It's like a ratcheting socket that's probably not 0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:54.480 ratcheting anyway. It's a vacuum cleaner adjustment, you know what 0:38:54.520 --> 0:38:56.319 I mean. And then she'll be like, oh, yeah, I 0:38:56.320 --> 0:38:58.239 totally got it here, here's what it is. But that's 0:38:58.320 --> 0:39:00.759 and then her return to to be fair, we will 0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:02.880 be twenty percent wrong, but at least she's gotten me. 0:39:03.320 --> 0:39:04.520 I'm with you. 0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:07.200 This is the use case of llms, which is they 0:39:07.239 --> 0:39:10.400 are better at inferring meaning from what we say, and 0:39:10.440 --> 0:39:12.520 they have found a way to do that, which is 0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:14.680 just better search, which gets back to the thing that 0:39:14.719 --> 0:39:16.920 you were saying, Alex about how these companies are lazy, 0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:19.160 because why does it Why didn't Google have this ten 0:39:19.239 --> 0:39:21.799 years ago? How are there no other ways to do this? 0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:24.319 And why is Google still not really like this? In 0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:26.640 the search engine part, you have to go into Gemini 0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:29.680 and even when you you can't type in to Google 0:39:29.760 --> 0:39:31.840 search that kind of thing. Now when you try and 0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:35.560 I will type in like cite the information a term, 0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:37.200 and it will be like, I don't fucking know, man, 0:39:37.239 --> 0:39:39.520 because I didn't write dot com. Yeah, because it is 0:39:39.600 --> 0:39:43.400 just I don't know what possibly could cite colon the 0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:45.840 information mean, oh you had a dot com. It's a website. 0:39:45.880 --> 0:39:48.520 My bad, Like I'm only worth We're only a market 0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:50.600 cap of four trillion dollars. Fuck you. 0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:53.880 Well, they would say you should be using Chrome to 0:39:53.920 --> 0:39:54.120 do it. 0:39:54.640 --> 0:40:00.719 Answer Chrome, No, I wasn't. I'm still in Chrome a 0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:03.080 little bit because certain websites don't work because we live 0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:03.720 in the future. 0:40:04.160 --> 0:40:08.240 I tried to switch to Coggy's mobile browser. Worst experience. 0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:10.440 I switched to Firefox, and I hate it. 0:40:10.440 --> 0:40:12.680 It's sometimes some things just work better. 0:40:13.080 --> 0:40:14.560 I live in Chrome. I guess where I'm I mean, 0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:16.920 especially since Pocket died. Now I have to use Chrome 0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:19.360 from my mobile bookmarks and it has on passwords. It 0:40:19.400 --> 0:40:21.799 has oh man, that's actually another thing. 0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:25.400 Just really grinds my giars. Bookmarks are the same. Still, 0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:29.279 I don't use bookmarks because I'm chaotic, and every time 0:40:29.320 --> 0:40:31.640 I save something, I forget where I saved it. 0:40:32.000 --> 0:40:33.600 I just assume I'll remember everything. 0:40:34.000 --> 0:40:37.200 I actually no, I genuinely, I genuinely do, Like I 0:40:37.280 --> 0:40:40.640 remember no same, Yeah, and it works out. 0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:44.000 And I'm like, oh my god, I remember everything but 0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:46.240 exactly the wrong time. No, I remember everything. 0:40:46.320 --> 0:40:47.840 Yeah, I should look at it as long as I 0:40:47.880 --> 0:40:50.359 have the weirdest cues, like several words. If you read 0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:52.600 my notes from my newslet that they're insane. It's like 0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:56.080 three set three broken sentences with like a question mark 0:40:56.080 --> 0:40:58.520 and a type up. I'm like, that's sixteen thousand words, babe. 0:40:58.680 --> 0:41:01.359 Yeah, well, all I didn't have this on my list, 0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:02.640 but there's a gadget for that. 0:41:02.719 --> 0:41:03.160 What is it? 0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:08.880 The plowed or plod ai recorder things? Right now? 0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:11.719 What is this thought? 0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:14.239 They work pretty well, and in fact, you could say 0:41:14.239 --> 0:41:16.480 they work too well. They make a little cart credit 0:41:16.480 --> 0:41:20.919 card size thing. It's very thin, it's very impressive. It's metals. Now, 0:41:20.960 --> 0:41:22.560 this is the notepin. This is the thing that works 0:41:22.600 --> 0:41:24.160 too well. They had a bug. You want to know 0:41:24.200 --> 0:41:26.080 what the bug was? What was it that fucker would 0:41:26.120 --> 0:41:28.800 record when you didn't ask if to. I have four 0:41:28.800 --> 0:41:31.920 hours of me snoring at C on the note and 0:41:31.960 --> 0:41:33.440 I was like, hey, guys, you have to fix this 0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:35.560 because it's the one thing that can't do. And they're like, oh, yes, 0:41:35.640 --> 0:41:37.719 we were replacing those affected units. Yeah. 0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:41.600 Well, I'm so sorry though, Now that isn't impossible to 0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:45.279 buy device in the review, anyone, I said, anyone who 0:41:45.280 --> 0:41:46.880 knows that happened to you, I wouldn't be able to 0:41:46.880 --> 0:41:47.160 buy it. 0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:48.239 Nope, I don't trust it. 0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:50.880 You probably have because we all have phones, and phones 0:41:50.880 --> 0:41:52.759 have definitely done that too. I more than once had 0:41:52.760 --> 0:41:54.640 my phone just be like, I'm sorry, I didn't catch that, 0:41:54.680 --> 0:41:56.040 and I was like, I was on the fucking toilet. 0:41:56.680 --> 0:41:57.920 I didn't need you to catch that. 0:41:58.760 --> 0:42:01.960 Yeah, my I like my home pods, but they do 0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:04.560 occasionally hear me and just go like, I don't know 0:42:04.600 --> 0:42:07.319 what that means. It's like, yeah, I was. I was 0:42:07.360 --> 0:42:08.879 screaming to myself, thank you. 0:42:09.280 --> 0:42:10.320 I was just watching TV. 0:42:10.480 --> 0:42:12.560 I was just mad. I was just saying some of 0:42:12.600 --> 0:42:14.720 the words that I say inside when I am upset. 0:42:15.760 --> 0:42:18.680 Even the PS five, the PlayStation five has that ability. 0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:20.480 You don't know it because nobody enables it, but it 0:42:20.520 --> 0:42:23.279 actually works. You can like talk into the controller and 0:42:23.320 --> 0:42:25.480 control the PS five that way. And I turned it 0:42:25.480 --> 0:42:27.120 on and I just keep forgetting to take it off. 0:42:27.120 --> 0:42:29.120 And now I'm just like, I'm just talking with my brother, 0:42:29.160 --> 0:42:30.919 and then the PS five is like, are you sure, 0:42:31.080 --> 0:42:32.040 and I'm like, what do you mean? 0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:51.680 No, PlayStation five? That's why I'm talking. I don't know, 0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:55.239 and I just I want them to do more fun things. 0:42:55.280 --> 0:42:58.239 I'm so glad I the fact that you, Michael have 0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:00.359 this flip phone out. I keep looking at it being 0:43:00.400 --> 0:43:04.160 like this, but there's the trifold, now, ru we love 0:43:04.239 --> 0:43:04.840 the trifle. 0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:07.960 It is actually doing a lot of these Chinese companies 0:43:08.280 --> 0:43:13.200 are doing really interesting innovating. Huawei is doing it, Lenovo 0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:16.160 is doing it. Apple is like, we'll get there in 0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:18.600 five years after everyone else has done it, right, we 0:43:18.640 --> 0:43:20.160 can like test it there. 0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:21.920 And one thing I will say is you can't do 0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:24.200 contiguous between the wind. 0:43:24.239 --> 0:43:26.000 So yeah, when you're running to a side by side, 0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:29.480 well exactly that kind of Android demands you like you 0:43:29.520 --> 0:43:31.480 select your focus. Yeah, so you can't be doing it 0:43:31.520 --> 0:43:32.120 both at once. 0:43:32.200 --> 0:43:34.680 And that's the weird thing like Apple used to like 0:43:34.719 --> 0:43:36.439 they had the Apple High five. They used to take 0:43:36.480 --> 0:43:38.760 fun risks and then Steve Jobs would kill the family. 0:43:38.840 --> 0:43:40.480 Is if everyone involved. 0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:42.239 Well they and they failed at a risk. They air 0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:47.000 air air dock yeah yeah, yeah, the charging power. 0:43:46.400 --> 0:43:48.680 So far the listeners. There was this thing that now 0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:51.440 exists in nineteen different forms where they were going to 0:43:51.480 --> 0:43:54.080 do this block where you could put your air pods, 0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:57.200 your Apple watch and your phone. And they would talk 0:43:57.239 --> 0:43:59.000 about it every few months and they'd be like, it's 0:43:59.120 --> 0:44:01.920 just around the core. They announced it like it was 0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:04.160 like a big thing. They announced the malt Gumman would 0:44:04.160 --> 0:44:07.200 just put out it's like, no, it's not gonna and 0:44:07.320 --> 0:44:09.640 it was. It just they just canceled it one day 0:44:09.680 --> 0:44:12.560 and then Anchor and several hundred other companies. 0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:15.880 Well it was different ahead, it was different. 0:44:16.520 --> 0:44:18.960 So so what Apple was trying to do was like 0:44:19.880 --> 0:44:22.920 take those those coils, the charging coils, and stack them 0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:24.960 on each other so it's one real small spot so 0:44:25.000 --> 0:44:27.080 you could throw it on anywhere on the pad and 0:44:27.120 --> 0:44:30.040 it would charge, whereas everybody else is like you have 0:44:30.040 --> 0:44:31.799 to have your little spots. And I love I've got 0:44:31.880 --> 0:44:33.839 I've got one and it's great. I use it all 0:44:33.880 --> 0:44:36.240 the time. But air power would have been slightly cooler 0:44:36.280 --> 0:44:38.120 except for it was like melting things. 0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:40.279 They couldn't figure it out one way or. 0:44:40.640 --> 0:44:41.480 Wow, costomers a. 0:44:43.520 --> 0:44:44.560 Melted a hole in my phone. 0:44:44.560 --> 0:44:46.640 Oh but now we have like mag safe obviated the 0:44:46.640 --> 0:44:48.440 need for it, right, because the magnets are better for 0:44:48.520 --> 0:44:50.239 end Like it's like, you don't it doesn't matter that 0:44:50.320 --> 0:44:53.520 you need to like discreetly place it because the magnets 0:44:53.520 --> 0:44:54.880 are gonna put it there. Anyway, and that's better. For 0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:55.479 a reason. 0:44:55.600 --> 0:44:57.560 I will say, there is an anchor thing I have 0:44:57.600 --> 0:44:59.960 at home I don't replace out of spite, which is 0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:02.920 it's one of the things where the Apple Watch component 0:45:02.960 --> 0:45:06.640 flips up, so there's the circle except that thing. There 0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:08.120 are so many times I put it on, it just 0:45:08.200 --> 0:45:11.400 does not stick for some reason. Every time it happens 0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:14.920 to a piece of shit. Do I replace it? Fuck? Now, 0:45:15.560 --> 0:45:18.160 you I paid my fifty dollars and I will get 0:45:18.200 --> 0:45:21.960 every dollars worth ten years later. I will replace it 0:45:22.160 --> 0:45:23.760 when I throw it from the window. 0:45:24.160 --> 0:45:26.240 I mean, that's like all my gan chargers. 0:45:27.480 --> 0:45:32.720 Now is cool? We really genuinely. 0:45:32.880 --> 0:45:34.520 I mean that's how you know it's a bunch of 0:45:34.600 --> 0:45:37.239 like nerds who love gadgets because we're all like yeah yeah. 0:45:37.719 --> 0:45:39.560 And if you've not heard of gallium, and I tried 0:45:39.560 --> 0:45:41.640 to mention it before, it's the thing where they basically 0:45:41.680 --> 0:45:44.240 found a way to make plugs smaller and batteries smaller. 0:45:44.280 --> 0:45:46.560 I actually have like these amazing anchor things. That's just 0:45:46.600 --> 0:45:48.680 all this cool shit that came out of it. 0:45:49.320 --> 0:45:52.520 And you Green makes really good stuff too, you Green, Yeah, 0:45:52.560 --> 0:45:53.200 you Green? There. 0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:54.720 I thought they were just the slot brand. 0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:56.360 No they're real people. 0:45:57.000 --> 0:45:58.840 Yeah, but they're one on my bag right now, and 0:45:58.880 --> 0:45:59.719 they're actually. 0:45:59.400 --> 0:46:01.960 Good because I've looking for Anchor alternatives just because I 0:46:03.040 --> 0:46:05.839 like melting Yeah, No, I like hank A melting things. 0:46:06.000 --> 0:46:07.560 Yeah, they got recalls. 0:46:09.000 --> 0:46:10.960 Things have gotten a little more expensive, you green, and 0:46:11.000 --> 0:46:12.000 there's a few others. 0:46:12.040 --> 0:46:13.920 But I like Hanka. 0:46:14.560 --> 0:46:16.960 So they committed the ultimate sin long ago for me. 0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:18.680 The same thing all birds did. The same thing everything 0:46:18.680 --> 0:46:21.120 company does that that that achieves scale is they go 0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:23.600 from building something interesting looking in a fun color with 0:46:23.640 --> 0:46:26.479 a weird shape, like ah, no, eighty percent of people 0:46:26.520 --> 0:46:28.520 by the boring black rectangles. So now that's all we're 0:46:28.560 --> 0:46:30.880 gonna shape. Anchor's variety is black or white. 0:46:31.040 --> 0:46:34.440 I go, I somewhat disagree. Oh come, just because of 0:46:34.440 --> 0:46:36.160 the nebul the right swam which she talked about. Is 0:46:36.200 --> 0:46:39.359 this insane, like three thousand dollars projectory and you can 0:46:39.360 --> 0:46:41.560 put it in a weird angle and it will still 0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:43.600 keystone in They do claim it's like, oh, you hit 0:46:43.640 --> 0:46:46.560 a button and it just works. Not for me. I 0:46:46.600 --> 0:46:48.560 am the person you should bring every new thing to 0:46:48.680 --> 0:46:51.320 before you say that, because it will break everything. 0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:53.160 Is there ever been a projector that just works? 0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:54.960 But it does. It gets about as close you can. 0:46:55.000 --> 0:46:56.640 It sets up in like a minute. You can keystone 0:46:56.640 --> 0:46:58.319 it at the weird that angles is fucking cool and 0:46:58.360 --> 0:47:00.719 it looks weird and it's like really nice and like 0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:03.439 the wireless speakers just working this how much it's three 0:47:03.520 --> 0:47:04.760 thousand fucking dollars. 0:47:04.800 --> 0:47:06.960 It's so expected good news. If you google it, you 0:47:07.000 --> 0:47:09.880 will get your first three results are cheaper alternatives that 0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:12.000 they're being paid to be put there. Nice. 0:47:12.440 --> 0:47:15.239 When I bought my GPD for whim four, I ended 0:47:15.320 --> 0:47:18.560 up getting scammed by Google AD I had some and 0:47:18.600 --> 0:47:21.040 I it was just I was buying it. I was 0:47:21.080 --> 0:47:23.200 excited to get it, and I saw and I am 0:47:23.239 --> 0:47:24.799 so resilient to these things, so I was like mad 0:47:24.840 --> 0:47:28.080 at myself. Yeah, I emailed fucking GPDY. I emailed Google. 0:47:28.160 --> 0:47:31.080 I was fucking I was like, listen to me. Fuck no, 0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:34.560 I was, And to be fair, GPD got back to 0:47:34.600 --> 0:47:36.879 me like, holy shit, like we're going to contact Google. 0:47:36.920 --> 0:47:41.319 Google did not. GPT was actually very concerned because it's 0:47:41.360 --> 0:47:43.360 like the whole price. Yeah, and it was just like 0:47:43.400 --> 0:47:46.239 a Chinese guy's Gmail as well, like he had a 0:47:46.280 --> 0:47:48.480 faked a perfectly good GPD website. 0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:49.640 Did he just mail your box. 0:47:49.800 --> 0:47:52.600 No, I canceled the payment like it would put it 0:47:52.640 --> 0:47:55.960 on a credit card. Because these things happened, I haven't 0:47:55.960 --> 0:47:58.400 for a long time. I was quite embarrassed. But now 0:47:58.640 --> 0:48:01.160 I like Anchor and they occasionally we'll do something on 0:48:01.239 --> 0:48:04.880 the Nepular X one. However, Yeah, they are mostly just blokes. 0:48:04.920 --> 0:48:06.480 They have them in different collars. 0:48:06.520 --> 0:48:09.480 Now, I mean the batteries I have, it's like mint green. 0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:15.520 Yeah, I mean Anchors, Anchors, like you know, charging brand. 0:48:15.520 --> 0:48:17.239 It's just kind of stayed. But like all the other 0:48:17.280 --> 0:48:19.560 ship they're doing with all their other sub brands, because 0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:21.960 now they have like twelve uh you know, they have 0:48:22.080 --> 0:48:24.479 that UV printer that's really cool. 0:48:25.200 --> 0:48:25.680 What is this? 0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:30.000 So UV printers they basically use a UV light on 0:48:30.160 --> 0:48:31.759 UV activated ink. 0:48:31.760 --> 0:48:35.040 To like thermal printers. 0:48:34.239 --> 0:48:38.360 Kind of, but there's less heat involved since it's just light. Yeah, 0:48:38.400 --> 0:48:41.719 so you'll like, it'll just you can technically print on 0:48:42.080 --> 0:48:45.560 almost anything. And it can print in three D quote unquote, 0:48:45.600 --> 0:48:47.520 so if you like, you know, you're looking at oil painting, 0:48:47.520 --> 0:48:49.759 it has those like raised edges where you know, the 0:48:49.800 --> 0:48:54.359 oil thickens, it can technically do that. It's really it's 0:48:54.400 --> 0:48:57.280 really cool and I got to use it. I printed 0:48:57.320 --> 0:49:00.600 out a meme on a on a little magnet and 0:49:01.400 --> 0:49:03.879 it looks really nice. I can't wait to actually try 0:49:03.920 --> 0:49:04.520 it out more. 0:49:04.880 --> 0:49:05.960 It's lunches this thing. 0:49:06.080 --> 0:49:09.960 It's probably around like thirteen hundred dollars. No, it was 0:49:10.040 --> 0:49:10.600 more than that. 0:49:10.680 --> 0:49:12.880 It's like but that like a good three D printer. 0:49:13.040 --> 0:49:14.920 Oh yeah, No, is this like one of those printers 0:49:14.920 --> 0:49:16.319 that I saw a number of years ago that it's 0:49:16.400 --> 0:49:17.960 kind of like a mouse and you like run it 0:49:18.040 --> 0:49:19.600 over the surface you're printing. 0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:21.960 On or No, this is a big unit, but it's 0:49:22.000 --> 0:49:25.520 like other UV printers are like gigantic and this is 0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:27.360 like a tabletop one, which is why it was like 0:49:27.400 --> 0:49:30.000 big in the maker space for like a hot minute. 0:49:30.239 --> 0:49:31.879 I don't know where it is right now, and I've 0:49:31.880 --> 0:49:34.080 been trying to get a review unit in and anchor. 0:49:34.120 --> 0:49:35.480 If you're listening, please. 0:49:35.719 --> 0:49:37.400 I actually do have a question for all three of you. 0:49:37.719 --> 0:49:40.040 I keep seeing things on Kickstarter, but I haven't touched 0:49:40.080 --> 0:49:42.480 kickstar in years because of all the shit. Is it 0:49:42.520 --> 0:49:44.960 trustworthy still? Is it still dodgy? 0:49:45.040 --> 0:49:47.560 And on who you're going? Like some companies, big companies 0:49:47.560 --> 0:49:50.160 will use Kickstarter to validate the market, like Uni Herts 0:49:50.239 --> 0:49:52.760 is famous for this if you want an interesting phone, 0:49:52.960 --> 0:49:54.960 Uniherts is there for you. They make all the like 0:49:55.000 --> 0:49:58.320 BlackBerry revivals, all the ones. You're huge. They have a 0:49:58.360 --> 0:50:00.319 screen on the back for no reason. Oh yeah, yeah, 0:50:00.320 --> 0:50:01.320 you know you'd love it. 0:50:01.440 --> 0:50:01.640 Yeah. 0:50:02.120 --> 0:50:04.960 Try Every launch they do is on Kickstarter, and they 0:50:05.080 --> 0:50:06.440 you know, I think they also use it as a 0:50:06.440 --> 0:50:08.799 pr thing because they know they're going to exceed their 0:50:08.800 --> 0:50:09.680 goal in the first day. 0:50:09.840 --> 0:50:12.360 But this is in twenty thirteen, anymore. Try I run a 0:50:12.360 --> 0:50:14.080 pof I know that doesn't work anymore. 0:50:14.200 --> 0:50:16.480 Yeah, but yeah, yeah, you'll see that with like it's 0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:18.879 it's mainly the big brands. The smaller brands, I would 0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:22.000 still be still yeah, because it's you just run into this. 0:50:22.120 --> 0:50:25.480 I mean, it's just the practical nature of building. 0:50:25.239 --> 0:50:28.280 Catchet hardware is really difficult, can confirm. 0:50:28.360 --> 0:50:31.000 Yeah, and it's only going to get more difficult over 0:50:31.040 --> 0:50:34.360 the next because of the tariffs and stuff. Absolute especially 0:50:34.400 --> 0:50:36.640 Americans are going to have, you know, until we get 0:50:36.640 --> 0:50:39.120 manufacturing in the United States again, it's. 0:50:38.960 --> 0:50:41.040 Going to be a chance. I look forward to that day. 0:50:42.960 --> 0:50:46.160 There is one that I actually invested in, which is 0:50:46.400 --> 0:50:48.040 technically a gadget. Now this I was going to save 0:50:48.040 --> 0:50:49.840 this to the very end because no one could possibly 0:50:49.880 --> 0:50:52.640 care about this, but they didn't follow the moon landing 0:50:52.680 --> 0:50:53.720 program in the sixties. 0:50:53.840 --> 0:50:54.279 Tell me more. 0:50:54.400 --> 0:50:57.880 Okay, this is a watch. It is called the d 0:50:58.000 --> 0:51:02.880 Sky moon Watch Sky, and it is not a smart watch. 0:51:02.920 --> 0:51:04.759 It is not a it's not an LCD and all 0:51:04.760 --> 0:51:07.240 this stuff. What they took. There's an Apollo guidance computer 0:51:07.360 --> 0:51:09.799 from the moon capsule and they shrunk it down to 0:51:09.840 --> 0:51:10.640 the size of a watch. 0:51:10.719 --> 0:51:11.239 Oh my god. 0:51:11.520 --> 0:51:12.040 Hell yeah. 0:51:12.120 --> 0:51:14.840 It is not just an aesthetic reproduction. It is literally 0:51:14.880 --> 0:51:18.640 the same computer replicably, so you can program it with 0:51:18.800 --> 0:51:22.040 like old sixties noun verb, you know, combinations and what 0:51:22.080 --> 0:51:23.560 I love, My favorite thing about it is, you know 0:51:23.600 --> 0:51:26.000 in the sixties you didn't have LEDs. Well, we have 0:51:26.040 --> 0:51:28.359 to have LEDs in the watch to do stuff. They 0:51:28.600 --> 0:51:31.359 came up with color filters to make the LED match 0:51:31.400 --> 0:51:33.360 the incandescent bulbs of the sixties. 0:51:33.440 --> 0:51:36.239 Like it's looks like an celloscope kind of. 0:51:36.200 --> 0:51:39.400 Like I also need this, but I'm going to get it. 0:51:39.400 --> 0:51:40.880 That's what I said the minute I saw I. 0:51:40.880 --> 0:51:45.399 Think eight hundred ninety bucks or something like. 0:51:45.320 --> 0:51:48.760 That, but our website it's six hundred and fifty nine pounds. 0:51:48.840 --> 0:51:52.759 Yeah. The Americans, Yes, yes, yes, Yeah, anyway, I'll let 0:51:52.800 --> 0:51:54.680 you know if I get it, because I have backed it. 0:51:54.800 --> 0:51:55.640 But what does it do? 0:51:56.400 --> 0:51:58.879 It telltales at the time. It looks cool. It also 0:51:59.600 --> 0:52:01.640 it also is the guidance computer, so you can program 0:52:01.719 --> 0:52:03.719 it to It is limited by your imagination and your 0:52:03.719 --> 0:52:06.640 coding ability if you know nineteen sixty nine era code. 0:52:06.400 --> 0:52:08.600 Of course, yeah, which I do. 0:52:10.719 --> 0:52:12.239 But it's all open source so you can actually do 0:52:12.280 --> 0:52:13.960 whatever you want with it, which is really fun. It 0:52:13.960 --> 0:52:15.800 also has GPS for some reason, I don't know. I 0:52:15.800 --> 0:52:16.359 don't know what else. 0:52:16.360 --> 0:52:21.120 Okay, while we're there, it's yeah, I'm so glad. I 0:52:21.239 --> 0:52:23.680 wasn't sure coming into this weather we'd have more do deaths. 0:52:24.000 --> 0:52:25.960 It seems like there's still a healthy but there's just 0:52:26.080 --> 0:52:30.920 not in America. No good stuff here. Yeah no, sorry, 0:52:30.920 --> 0:52:33.600 you can get it here, but it's not American companies 0:52:33.600 --> 0:52:36.360 that seem to be driving this, like anchors Chinese. 0:52:36.640 --> 0:52:38.800 Yeah, well, I've. 0:52:38.640 --> 0:52:41.359 Got a couple actually, please please, I genuinely like to know. 0:52:41.440 --> 0:52:48.160 You want to pabble Okaya back because people are so 0:52:48.320 --> 0:52:50.440 tired of their regular watches. 0:52:50.880 --> 0:52:52.800 Yeah, no, it's just they're never should have died, You 0:52:52.880 --> 0:52:55.959 never should have died. There they're doing e ink watches again. 0:52:56.120 --> 0:52:59.239 They start shipping this month. I definitely ordered both. 0:53:00.239 --> 0:53:01.200 How much did they cost? 0:53:01.320 --> 0:53:02.400 You know, they're just watches. 0:53:02.600 --> 0:53:03.359 Well, they're smart watching. 0:53:03.440 --> 0:53:05.480 Yeah, they're smart watching. They've got they've got they've got 0:53:06.239 --> 0:53:08.279 you know, they've got heart rate monitors in them. They 0:53:09.080 --> 0:53:15.200 do notifications, Bluetooth Bluetooth, Bluetooth is and it's and it's 0:53:15.239 --> 0:53:17.200 just it's just a watch and you can you know, 0:53:17.239 --> 0:53:20.280 they have a very robust user community. 0:53:20.480 --> 0:53:22.399 That's the killer and apps and such. 0:53:22.600 --> 0:53:24.319 Yeah, right, so that was the thing that I mean, 0:53:24.360 --> 0:53:26.359 Pebble was the first one doing apps on a watch, 0:53:26.360 --> 0:53:28.560 and they did it well and people liked it, and 0:53:28.600 --> 0:53:30.120 then they sold, right. 0:53:30.000 --> 0:53:32.200 They sold a Fitbit who was then who were then 0:53:32.200 --> 0:53:33.000 bought by Google. 0:53:32.760 --> 0:53:36.120 Immediately and it just di it killed it and the 0:53:36.120 --> 0:53:39.319 guy got it back, got the right couple back and 0:53:39.360 --> 0:53:42.080 he's like he's just out there making cool as hell watches. 0:53:42.280 --> 0:53:44.360 Yes, And and I think the user community is the 0:53:44.440 --> 0:53:46.879 is the thing because all these I love a smart watch, 0:53:46.920 --> 0:53:48.360 but the ones from Google and Apple are kind of 0:53:48.360 --> 0:53:51.879 soulless of necessity because their corporate products and the wider 0:53:51.920 --> 0:53:54.560 consumer exactly where's the Pebble is? Like, Wow, who made 0:53:54.600 --> 0:53:57.439 this weird Ostrich watch face that's like, oh some guy 0:53:57.480 --> 0:53:58.879 in Denmark. No, that's cool. 0:53:58.920 --> 0:54:01.719 I mean the Pebble watch. My best friend, she goes 0:54:01.719 --> 0:54:05.120 to Orange Theory. She she's like very, drinks her Starbucks very. 0:54:05.360 --> 0:54:07.439 I love her, but she does not give a ship 0:54:07.440 --> 0:54:09.680 about smart watches. And she's not gonna care about the Pebble. 0:54:09.840 --> 0:54:11.719 If I told her about it, she'd say what, Yeah, 0:54:12.000 --> 0:54:14.320 and where's an Apple watch that cares about it? Yeah? 0:54:14.520 --> 0:54:17.000 And it's just a perfect gadget. 0:54:17.080 --> 0:54:18.840 And how much was again. 0:54:20.160 --> 0:54:20.880 Launched something? 0:54:23.160 --> 0:54:23.399 Yeah? 0:54:23.480 --> 0:54:25.319 And he's only making small batches, so it has to 0:54:25.360 --> 0:54:26.520 it could be cheaper, but he's. 0:54:26.360 --> 0:54:30.000 Only doing how much I spent on these watches? 0:54:30.440 --> 0:54:32.000 Right, that's a credit cards. 0:54:32.239 --> 0:54:37.560 Spent a lot exactly. I already paid for it all, 0:54:37.600 --> 0:54:41.040 so it's not past Alex's problem. I just get free 0:54:41.080 --> 0:54:41.560 stuff now. 0:54:41.760 --> 0:54:43.959 Yeah, that's what I think exactly. That's how it works. 0:54:44.040 --> 0:54:48.840 Yeah, boy, any other American American? The Light Fund, the 0:54:48.960 --> 0:54:49.959 Light Company. 0:54:50.080 --> 0:54:51.600 I didn't get a chance to watch a video. 0:54:51.719 --> 0:54:53.319 What trash friend you are? 0:54:54.360 --> 0:54:58.360 Okay, well I watched it. There's only one person I 0:54:58.400 --> 0:55:00.520 have telegram for you. 0:55:00.520 --> 0:55:02.560 Don't even use that anymore. Don't lie that I don't 0:55:02.560 --> 0:55:02.960 accuse it. 0:55:02.960 --> 0:55:05.640 That's why I missed your messages. But AnyWho, So wait, 0:55:05.719 --> 0:55:07.520 so this light phone was it good or bad? 0:55:07.600 --> 0:55:12.480 The light Phone three was a very well it was 0:55:12.480 --> 0:55:15.759 a very seven out of ten experience because it was 0:55:16.040 --> 0:55:18.520 basically half unfinished when I was covering it. 0:55:18.719 --> 0:55:19.319 What does it do? 0:55:19.560 --> 0:55:22.080 Exact very little. It does lets you do phone calls, 0:55:22.120 --> 0:55:24.319 text messages, and then a handful of apps that are 0:55:24.360 --> 0:55:28.280 meant to keep you as disconnected as possible. You have maps, 0:55:28.480 --> 0:55:31.280 you will never have email, you will never have social media, 0:55:32.320 --> 0:55:35.080 you will not have a web browser. But like things 0:55:35.120 --> 0:55:37.480 to get you from point A to point B except 0:55:38.040 --> 0:55:40.640 right now. No payments, no lift, no Uber, none of 0:55:40.640 --> 0:55:43.279 that stuff. So it made life very difficult. I tried 0:55:43.280 --> 0:55:45.479 it for two weeks. I found I had to carry 0:55:45.480 --> 0:55:47.920 an iPad many along with me, which the light phone 0:55:47.960 --> 0:55:50.560 does generate a hotspot, so you can use that's cool, 0:55:50.760 --> 0:55:51.840 like you know, if you want to pop up on 0:55:51.880 --> 0:55:55.600 a laptop. I really enjoyed experimenting with that lifestyle again 0:55:55.640 --> 0:55:57.719 of reverting to the late nineties when we had to 0:55:57.840 --> 0:56:00.640 decide to be online, yeah, and then decide to be offline. 0:56:00.680 --> 0:56:04.759 Well, I decided to be online all the time, it's 0:56:04.880 --> 0:56:08.640 not really sure. Well for all of us, Yeah, sometimess 0:56:08.640 --> 0:56:10.640 this thing is it? What kind of screen? Is it? 0:56:10.680 --> 0:56:11.720 Like a black and white screen? 0:56:11.760 --> 0:56:14.600 So that is it's in my opinion, it's shining achievement, 0:56:14.640 --> 0:56:17.719 Like this is an un remarkable piece of hardware. I 0:56:17.800 --> 0:56:20.200 love picking it up. It is like if you blue 0:56:20.280 --> 0:56:23.080 up an Apple watch to you know, by four exercise 0:56:23.160 --> 0:56:25.960 and made it out of black metal and glass and 0:56:26.040 --> 0:56:28.080 put a knob on the side to control your brightness. 0:56:28.080 --> 0:56:29.759 And the screen is black and white, but it has 0:56:29.800 --> 0:56:32.280 this diffusion filter on it. It does have a camera 0:56:32.600 --> 0:56:34.960 with a nice chunky duel stage shutter button. 0:56:35.440 --> 0:56:37.840 Yeah, okay camera though, it's. 0:56:37.840 --> 0:56:39.600 Actually better than I expected to be honest, But it's 0:56:39.600 --> 0:56:42.360 black and white. Sorry. The display is O lead, so 0:56:42.480 --> 0:56:44.200 it is a black and white interface and when you 0:56:44.239 --> 0:56:47.279 fire the camera, it activates the color O lead. 0:56:47.600 --> 0:56:50.440 This thing so cool? Yeah yeah, but also it's like 0:56:50.480 --> 0:56:53.400 the opposite of what I want, is it. I'm I'm abnormal. 0:56:53.440 --> 0:56:55.840 I need to be I love I love being connected always, 0:56:57.160 --> 0:56:58.320 but I am like a problem. 0:56:58.520 --> 0:57:01.560 Try it. Try it. The second weekend, I was like, 0:57:01.840 --> 0:57:04.560 I get it. I get people who like talk about 0:57:04.560 --> 0:57:07.120 presence and intentionality. I hadn't gotten it. 0:57:07.160 --> 0:57:08.760 But I also have to steal wool of the Buddha. 0:57:08.760 --> 0:57:10.480 If I need to focus on people, I can just 0:57:10.520 --> 0:57:11.760 not look at my phone. Yeah. 0:57:11.800 --> 0:57:13.560 Well, and I think that's what's it like to have restraint. 0:57:13.880 --> 0:57:15.520 I don't know, unfamiliar with. 0:57:16.000 --> 0:57:17.400 I think this is the thing we see though from 0:57:17.400 --> 0:57:19.840 American gadgets. There's a lot of the American gadgets are 0:57:19.840 --> 0:57:23.840 about disconnecting. They're about taking a step back, and as 0:57:23.880 --> 0:57:24.520 we all look at our. 0:57:24.480 --> 0:57:28.200 Phones, I was, but that is the minimum. 0:57:28.400 --> 0:57:31.360 Yes, you know, it's about how do we disconnect from Google? 0:57:31.440 --> 0:57:33.480 How do we disconnect from our corporate overlords, how do 0:57:33.520 --> 0:57:37.120 we disconnect from social media? Those are the things driving 0:57:37.120 --> 0:57:41.960 a lot of American ingenuity and gadgets, which is like cool, 0:57:42.080 --> 0:57:45.560 but culturally like a where are we as a culture? 0:57:46.240 --> 0:57:49.840 The driving point I also understand, Like that is cool, 0:57:49.840 --> 0:57:53.200 but it's also sad, Yeah, because it's very I get 0:57:53.200 --> 0:57:55.000 the sense the other countries and they look at technology, 0:57:55.040 --> 0:57:57.840 they see like oh like regular people like, oh, what 0:57:57.880 --> 0:57:59.560 could it do for me next? And that one's like 0:57:59.800 --> 0:58:01.919 there is a fucking way that I could stop using 0:58:02.440 --> 0:58:05.800 versus like kit in the top list from bi business Side, 0:58:06.080 --> 0:58:07.440 a few years ago. I think this thing is like, 0:58:07.520 --> 0:58:09.120 I love my phone. Stop trying to get me off 0:58:09.120 --> 0:58:11.320 my phone. YEA, make my phone better. And I kind 0:58:11.360 --> 0:58:13.200 of subscribe to that. And I know I'm a freak 0:58:13.240 --> 0:58:15.040 for like liking the phone and being online and all 0:58:15.040 --> 0:58:18.520 the time. But nevertheless, it's like the sense of I 0:58:18.560 --> 0:58:20.360 want to get away from big tech. I want to 0:58:20.400 --> 0:58:21.680 get away from my phone. I wanted to do all this. 0:58:21.800 --> 0:58:25.360 It's very sad, and also they're clearly building towards it 0:58:25.440 --> 0:58:27.880 by making oh, we'll just control the shit for you. You 0:58:27.760 --> 0:58:29.760 have no control, you have no industry over this. 0:58:31.000 --> 0:58:32.360 So there's a flip side to this, and then I'm 0:58:32.400 --> 0:58:37.680 gonna stop talking about phones. There's another philosophical approach done 0:58:37.680 --> 0:58:40.280 by a company called the Minimal Company, the Minimal Phone. Now, 0:58:40.280 --> 0:58:43.240 they are much smaller than Light They're also have some 0:58:43.280 --> 0:58:46.560 problems fulfilling orders. I think their customer service whatever. But 0:58:46.640 --> 0:58:48.600 their phone is a good idea because the phone it 0:58:48.640 --> 0:58:50.320 does the opposite of the lightphone. It gives you all 0:58:50.320 --> 0:58:52.480 the apps you want, but the display is in ink, 0:58:52.680 --> 0:58:54.520 so you don't want to use any of them, but 0:58:54.600 --> 0:58:57.360 you can if you need to, like Uber, which I 0:58:57.400 --> 0:58:59.160 needed a billion times on the lightphone or didn't have 0:58:59.200 --> 0:59:01.880 it as right. Stuff that was really really cool. The 0:59:02.240 --> 0:59:05.800 minimal phone idea is a very cool one, and I'm 0:59:05.800 --> 0:59:08.280 a nerd for this, but they put a quardy keyboard 0:59:08.320 --> 0:59:09.240 on there, which I also like. 0:59:09.280 --> 0:59:10.960 Oh, yeah, that's just cool. 0:59:11.040 --> 0:59:14.320 Tcls making a phone, well, they made a phone last year. 0:59:14.360 --> 0:59:16.760 That's their NXPT paper phone that you can't get in 0:59:16.760 --> 0:59:19.080 the US. Yeah, and you can like swap it between 0:59:19.080 --> 0:59:23.400 a fake like e paper screen and to a Yeah 0:59:23.400 --> 0:59:25.560 it's not it's not actually the paper, I know, but 0:59:25.800 --> 0:59:27.920 it looks it has like a kind of like you know, 0:59:28.240 --> 0:59:30.440 sheene to it that makes it look less. 0:59:31.120 --> 0:59:32.400 Or you can just. 0:59:32.400 --> 0:59:36.000 Go and spend ten dollars on a Matt glass for 0:59:36.120 --> 0:59:37.959 your phone. That's that's what I did because I looked 0:59:37.960 --> 0:59:39.520 at that stuff and I was like, oh, this is cool. 0:59:39.800 --> 0:59:41.400 I'll just put matt glass on my phone and I 0:59:41.480 --> 0:59:42.880 get the exact same experience. 0:59:43.800 --> 0:59:45.760 I should I would stop talking about phones, but you 0:59:45.880 --> 0:59:47.120 just made me think of another one. 0:59:48.080 --> 0:59:50.120 My podcast talk about the phone. I don't ca. 0:59:50.600 --> 0:59:51.480 Fair Phone six. 0:59:51.600 --> 0:59:52.080 What is this? 0:59:52.360 --> 0:59:54.480 I have not paid attention to Fairphone almost at all 0:59:54.520 --> 0:59:57.520 because it's been about repair ability, right, which is important. 0:59:57.520 --> 0:59:59.560 But I don't really care about it, So okay, uh 0:59:59.600 --> 1:00:03.000 fairphone has a big neon green switch on the side, 1:00:03.000 --> 1:00:04.640 and when you flip it down, it turns from a 1:00:04.680 --> 1:00:08.320 regular Android phone into a dumb phone. And I like 1:00:08.440 --> 1:00:11.200 that physical trigger because yeah, you can do it with 1:00:11.240 --> 1:00:14.240 the custom launcher. Yeah, you can do it through umpteen 1:00:14.360 --> 1:00:17.640 software options. But having a switch seems to suggest more 1:00:17.720 --> 1:00:21.120 intentionality is required of you. Well, and switching out of 1:00:21.120 --> 1:00:23.040 it it feels like more friction, a little more for. 1:00:23.560 --> 1:00:26.000 It's a little more friction, but it's also less friction 1:00:26.080 --> 1:00:28.800 in the setup, right, Like true, Yeah, because if you 1:00:28.840 --> 1:00:30.600 know you can do that with an iPhone, you were 1:00:30.640 --> 1:00:33.440 going to spend a very long time digging around with 1:00:33.440 --> 1:00:34.200 your iPhone to get. 1:00:34.120 --> 1:00:35.720 To that point. Yes, I think a lot of these 1:00:35.720 --> 1:00:37.960 problems come down to the fact that just notifications have 1:00:38.000 --> 1:00:40.760 become an invasion of our privacy. That when you look 1:00:40.800 --> 1:00:44.439 at your phone, it will be like, hey, it's Etsy again. Yeah, 1:00:44.480 --> 1:00:46.440 you bought one thing seven years ago. You didn't delete 1:00:46.440 --> 1:00:48.160 this app. Do you want to look at Flowers? 1:00:48.640 --> 1:00:48.880 Yeah? 1:00:48.960 --> 1:00:50.960 And you just like leave me the fuck alone and 1:00:50.960 --> 1:00:52.720 and apples just like we don't give a fuck. 1:00:52.800 --> 1:00:56.120 And New York Times used to do breaking news for everything. 1:00:56.560 --> 1:00:59.520 They just like every damn thing. They'd be like, you know, 1:01:00.080 --> 1:01:03.000 Beyonce is going to be in New York? Great? Why 1:01:03.080 --> 1:01:03.840 is that you. 1:01:03.680 --> 1:01:07.400 Can't fix this as well? With the phone. It's the companies. 1:01:08.040 --> 1:01:10.840 They've made it worse, and they make it worse every day. 1:01:10.880 --> 1:01:11.600 And we'll give you. 1:01:12.240 --> 1:01:13.760 You have to do way too much work to do it. 1:01:13.800 --> 1:01:15.520 To your point, you have to do way too much tweaking. 1:01:15.600 --> 1:01:17.200 You can't tweak the notifications. 1:01:17.560 --> 1:01:19.400 Well if you have an Android phone, if you can. 1:01:19.560 --> 1:01:21.400 Yeah, and that's the thing where my message on a 1:01:21.440 --> 1:01:22.240 fucking Android. 1:01:23.080 --> 1:01:24.320 You want to be able to go to your phone 1:01:24.360 --> 1:01:26.760 and just say fix it. And Google keeps promising that 1:01:26.800 --> 1:01:28.480 and have they delivered? 1:01:29.280 --> 1:01:30.560 I mean speaking of the fair phone. 1:01:30.640 --> 1:01:34.320 Like, there's a Framework is making really cool laptop. I 1:01:34.360 --> 1:01:37.560 was just thinking, I really really like Framework and like 1:01:37.640 --> 1:01:41.960 I don't. Framework's laptop where all you kind of have 1:01:42.040 --> 1:01:43.560 to do is like you get a bunch of the 1:01:43.600 --> 1:01:46.800 parts and you slot slot in the SSD, you slot 1:01:46.800 --> 1:01:49.080 in the RAM and you kind of put the screen 1:01:49.120 --> 1:01:50.920 bezels on and then you put the keyboard on. 1:01:51.000 --> 1:01:53.080 You screw everything in. It's like, oh it's a laptop now, 1:01:53.080 --> 1:01:54.640 you you built it. 1:01:54.680 --> 1:01:57.000 I mean it's it's fun because the company makes it 1:01:57.040 --> 1:01:59.400 really easy to do, so you make yeah. Yeah, it's 1:01:59.440 --> 1:02:02.840 like you make yourself feel smart even though they literally 1:02:02.880 --> 1:02:05.040 put everything out there for you and you just did it. 1:02:05.240 --> 1:02:07.280 But it also means you can repair it, YadA, YadA YadA. 1:02:07.320 --> 1:02:09.640 But I like, yeah, you can upgrade it. 1:02:09.960 --> 1:02:12.640 I like the feeling of like ownership, because half the 1:02:12.760 --> 1:02:14.880 problem with ownership is that I don't feel like I 1:02:14.920 --> 1:02:17.120 actually owned the thing. I bought the thing, and they're 1:02:17.160 --> 1:02:19.880 managing my life for me. They're putting all the software 1:02:19.920 --> 1:02:22.400 on it that I don't want. They're putting this program. 1:02:22.160 --> 1:02:24.120 Change how you use it with UX updates. 1:02:24.200 --> 1:02:24.760 Yeah exactly. 1:02:24.840 --> 1:02:27.400 So I want to own the thing by like controlling 1:02:27.400 --> 1:02:30.000 what goes into it. And I feel like I want 1:02:30.080 --> 1:02:33.080 more products that have that ability to just like I 1:02:33.080 --> 1:02:37.760 can just control the hardware at least if not the software. 1:02:37.840 --> 1:02:39.800 Like if I could control both, I'd be in a 1:02:39.800 --> 1:02:44.000 happy place. I'm more nerdy. But imagine if like every 1:02:44.120 --> 1:02:46.320 laptop had that ability to just like take off the 1:02:46.400 --> 1:02:48.080 back and like just swap things around. 1:02:48.160 --> 1:02:50.600 But you're seeing that in gaming laptops for a long time. 1:02:50.680 --> 1:02:52.080 When the framework came along, right. 1:02:52.000 --> 1:02:54.080 Like a few of them you can still swoop around. 1:02:54.160 --> 1:02:56.680 Yeah, yes, some of them, although some of them are 1:02:56.680 --> 1:02:59.200 more soldered on, like some of the smaller fourteen inches 1:02:59.200 --> 1:03:00.040 are we still kind of. 1:03:00.400 --> 1:03:03.760 One of the tricks here is just for for laptops, 1:03:04.240 --> 1:03:07.320 order the business laptops because they usually have much more 1:03:07.400 --> 1:03:10.960 upgradeability because the big companies are like, no, we're not 1:03:11.000 --> 1:03:13.080 going to pay you that much for RAM. We will 1:03:13.080 --> 1:03:15.320 replace the RAM ourselves, or you will die and never 1:03:15.320 --> 1:03:18.080 get our business, and so they fix it for them, 1:03:18.720 --> 1:03:21.560 Like that's why you see that from Dell and Lenovo others. 1:03:21.320 --> 1:03:23.080 On the build your own stuff Kyle, do you follow 1:03:23.120 --> 1:03:26.720 the or does anybody follow the cyber deck building community? 1:03:26.800 --> 1:03:26.960 Oh? 1:03:27.040 --> 1:03:29.680 Yeah, what is I have a blast if you if 1:03:29.680 --> 1:03:32.600 you want to have a gadget, you know binge, I 1:03:32.640 --> 1:03:35.560 would say just google cyber deck builds on YouTube. 1:03:35.640 --> 1:03:39.840 It's basically people are trying to like relive the Neuromancer 1:03:39.840 --> 1:03:41.760 book and they're just building cyber decks for there. 1:03:41.880 --> 1:03:42.560 Is a cyber deck. 1:03:42.920 --> 1:03:43.520 Oh my god. 1:03:43.760 --> 1:03:46.120 All right, you don't know William Gibson so. 1:03:48.200 --> 1:03:51.840 Narrowmancer kind of like that whole cyberpunk era aesthetic, the 1:03:52.040 --> 1:03:53.920 high idea of but like cyber deck, it's like you 1:03:54.040 --> 1:03:57.320 literally plug into the internet. You know, you have this 1:03:57.320 --> 1:03:59.720 this deck that you and you sit down in a 1:03:59.800 --> 1:04:02.120 chair and you plug yourself in and you're literally a 1:04:02.160 --> 1:04:04.680 body and it's like the whole like idea of a 1:04:04.680 --> 1:04:07.880 metaverse kind of stems from this, except it's. 1:04:07.760 --> 1:04:10.960 A lot more grungy and a lot more punk. 1:04:11.440 --> 1:04:15.000 Right, So the deck itself is like part of it 1:04:15.040 --> 1:04:17.200 is like it's personalized to you, right, like you build 1:04:17.200 --> 1:04:19.760 it yourself, so a lot it takes the form in 1:04:19.840 --> 1:04:22.720 modern day with what we can do of like little laptops, 1:04:22.760 --> 1:04:25.160 like kind of like the GVD stuff, right, except. 1:04:30.760 --> 1:04:32.880 What is the functionality of a cyber deck though? 1:04:32.880 --> 1:04:35.480 What's it meant in modern day? It's just basically with 1:04:35.600 --> 1:04:37.680 a little laptop, it's just to be cool. 1:04:37.720 --> 1:04:40.160 But the idea is that you're doing it yourself and 1:04:40.200 --> 1:04:43.160 it's your own and you're making it like I mean, 1:04:43.200 --> 1:04:46.640 I don't know, like are they are they using like raspberry. 1:04:46.160 --> 1:04:49.000 Pies, like stuff built in a raspberry pie or something 1:04:49.040 --> 1:04:53.240 like that. But if you want functionality, the the meshtastic 1:04:53.320 --> 1:04:56.280 is another good thing to look fantastic. That is, like 1:04:56.360 --> 1:04:59.840 these little pocket terminals that are being built around what 1:05:00.200 --> 1:05:02.160 I had to look it up. An ESP thirty two 1:05:02.440 --> 1:05:05.360 system on a chip, which enables a lot of cool stuff. 1:05:05.400 --> 1:05:08.280 And a meshtastic network is like node to node. You're 1:05:08.280 --> 1:05:11.360 not on the Internet necessarily, Like each phone or each 1:05:11.440 --> 1:05:14.280 terminal is its own is a node. So what did 1:05:14.760 --> 1:05:16.640 Jack Dorsey just dropped an app for this? 1:05:16.840 --> 1:05:20.000 God? I mean if chat, he's dropped several Yeah, that's 1:05:20.040 --> 1:05:20.960 dropped a lot of things. 1:05:21.080 --> 1:05:23.120 But that's an app for the iPhone. And like if 1:05:23.320 --> 1:05:25.160 we all had Bitchat, we could talk to text each 1:05:25.160 --> 1:05:27.240 other without connecting to the Internet. Like it's a direct 1:05:27.240 --> 1:05:27.800 peer to peer. 1:05:27.960 --> 1:05:28.760 I like that. 1:05:29.040 --> 1:05:31.920 And the meshtastic like there's a lot of handheld hardware. 1:05:31.960 --> 1:05:33.640 They all look like blackberries that are all really cool. 1:05:33.680 --> 1:05:36.320 They're a little mini cyber deecks And it's just to 1:05:36.400 --> 1:05:38.880 utilize that network. And you again, you can build your 1:05:38.920 --> 1:05:40.680 own a lot of the time if you're more skilled 1:05:40.680 --> 1:05:41.040 than I am. 1:05:41.320 --> 1:05:42.840 So I'm going to wrap it here and I want 1:05:42.840 --> 1:05:45.240 to end with a message though, everyone should go and 1:05:45.720 --> 1:05:49.320 support Steve Burke of games Nexus, who Bloomberg is being 1:05:49.360 --> 1:05:52.959 fucking him up by doing bullshit. YouTube DMCA is coming 1:05:53.000 --> 1:05:55.720 on the show next week. This is a ridiculous situation. 1:05:55.760 --> 1:05:58.480 Bloomberg should be fucking ashamed of themselves, the legal department, 1:05:58.520 --> 1:06:01.880 and everyone involved the journalists set, including at Bloomberg, should 1:06:01.880 --> 1:06:05.200 see this as an offense against journalism and not giving 1:06:05.280 --> 1:06:09.040 him support is tantamount to not having solidarity with your peers. 1:06:09.280 --> 1:06:11.240 Steve is doing some of the best work out there, 1:06:11.600 --> 1:06:13.280 and I realize it's kind of a grim thing. But 1:06:13.560 --> 1:06:14.840 one of the reasons I love all three of you 1:06:15.000 --> 1:06:16.880 is you, really, in the same way as Steve, get 1:06:16.920 --> 1:06:18.360 into this stuff and actually know it and love it 1:06:18.400 --> 1:06:19.880 and are excited about it. And I think that that 1:06:20.040 --> 1:06:23.400 is a dying art within journalism, especially within tech. And 1:06:23.720 --> 1:06:25.840 I hope everyone's enjoyed this episode because I certainly fucking 1:06:25.880 --> 1:06:29.160 have so much. It's nice to talk about stuff and like, sure, 1:06:29.200 --> 1:06:30.880 there's bad things going on and it can be kind 1:06:30.920 --> 1:06:33.600 of grim out there, but there's still people making dorky 1:06:33.680 --> 1:06:36.000 little innovations out there, and it's worth remembering that the 1:06:36.080 --> 1:06:38.800 tech industry is not all bad, which does not mean 1:06:38.840 --> 1:06:42.240 that AI doesn't fucking suck. Bing Bong Michael, Where can 1:06:42.280 --> 1:06:42.840 people find you? 1:06:43.000 --> 1:06:44.880 They can find me on YouTube at the Mister Mobile, 1:06:44.960 --> 1:06:48.720 tgmrimbi Le or threads at Captain two Phones. It's Captain 1:06:48.720 --> 1:06:51.080 the Number two Phones, MS Kranz in. 1:06:51.160 --> 1:06:55.560 Most places, Alex H. 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