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Speaker 1: Al Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Better Offline. I am, of course

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Speaker 2: your host ed Zittron and we are in a very

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Speaker 2: intimate podcast studio on like ninth Avenue and it's a

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Speaker 2: wonderful day. The last episode we got lost, but it

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Speaker 2: will not be happening this time. All of you are

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Speaker 2: very kind with the notes you sent. One of you said,

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Speaker 2: why don't you take a back up? Thank you. We

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Speaker 2: never thought of that. It's not like there was another

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Speaker 2: issue that could have happened in the fucking radio station. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Today we have a wonderful gizmos and do Dad's episode.

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Speaker 2: On my right, I have the wonderful Michael Fish and

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Speaker 2: mister Muball himself.

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Speaker 1: Nice to be back. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: I'm so happy to have you here. Alex Cran's the

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Speaker 2: wonderful gizmo and gadget queen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm so excited to talk about the gizmos.

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Speaker 2: Me too, And I'm knocking my phone over. That's staying

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Speaker 2: in the episode. That's where my elbow goes, and there

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Speaker 2: we go. That's what we do before every episode. And

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Speaker 2: Kyle Barr of Gizmoto is here as well.

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Speaker 4: Hello exists, and.

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Speaker 2: He does exist. So this episode actually came from an

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Speaker 2: idea of I told you all this now went on

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Speaker 2: Amazon typed in gadgets because I was like, I haven't

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Speaker 2: like I mostly spend money on like diet coke and

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Speaker 2: occasional baseball games and flights and like weird protein snacks

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Speaker 2: I don't really like. So I was like, you know

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Speaker 2: what I want? I want some dude ads. I want

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Speaker 2: to see what gadgets are going typed in gadgets into Amazon.

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Speaker 2: Fuck all appeared. It was like phones and laptops. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I don't need a new phone or laptop. I'm happy

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Speaker 2: with those. I want something weird and stupid. And I

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Speaker 2: genuinely was like, wait, why is it so hard to

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Speaker 2: find these? You go on a text site these days

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Speaker 2: it's all about fucking AI. So I brought you all

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Speaker 2: together to talk about the weird stuff you've been looking at.

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Speaker 2: And Michael, one of my favorite things you do is

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Speaker 2: you've been the flip phone foldable advocate, and honestly, I'm

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Speaker 2: deeply jealous raw on Android. I'm so addicted to our message,

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Speaker 2: but so much.

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Speaker 1: Fun you have.

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Speaker 2: So you've got you've got a device in front of you.

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Speaker 2: I do and the Honor Magic V five, which you

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Speaker 2: cannot buy here.

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Speaker 1: One of the world. You cannot buy it here.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: One of the world's thinnest foldables, the thinnest foldable if

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Speaker 1: you decide to lie about it in your spec sheet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gorgeous. Yeah, and this thing is and obviously

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Speaker 2: we'll have links in there. But this thing is. You

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Speaker 2: can see the crease, but you can't really when you're

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Speaker 2: looking at it now. I find these things magnificent. I

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Speaker 2: realized that they're imperfect, but I think they're just lovely.

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Speaker 2: And there's rumors that Mark German was tweeting earlier about

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Speaker 2: Apples foldable. Please do it, Please do the Apple.

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Speaker 1: That's all I want co sign Yeah, big agree.

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Speaker 3: I mean I want this, but not Android and sold

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Speaker 3: in the United States. Yeah, and no huge camera bump.

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Speaker 1: Oh see I like the camera bump. I think it

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Speaker 1: gives it all kinds of characters. I mean, slap a

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Speaker 1: big with the quad areo a quad stuff or whatever,

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Speaker 1: Slap a big one of those.

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Speaker 2: So this thing has a giant circular like blob coming

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Speaker 2: out of it, like a moon crater, like the size

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Speaker 2: of a thing you would stick like a phone onto

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Speaker 2: a magnetic phone thing like a fairly large circle. I

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Speaker 2: camera and you get a case on, so you've now

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Speaker 2: got like a raised bit with three and I don't know,

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Speaker 2: I don't like that. I don't think it looks good.

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Speaker 3: I like that it captures all of the lint.

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Speaker 2: Yes, anytime I put it in my pocket, there's a

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Speaker 2: bunch of crap and also just a new thing for

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the best.

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Speaker 2: I think that that. What we're running up against, though,

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Speaker 2: is we're approaching the limits of the current interfaces we have.

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Speaker 2: I think that we are the current tablet phone interfaces

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Speaker 2: just foldables and extendables and all this shit not. According

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Speaker 2: to Mark Zuckerberg, Mark Zuckerberg, Mark Zuckerberg has he has

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Speaker 2: reimagined his AI department four times in the last year.

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Speaker 2: It's so cool. I love that this. He's going to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, No, he's doing the risk stuff so for

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Speaker 2: What is so do you have any idea, Alex what

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So his whole conceit until AI came around, was

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Speaker 3: thing he's he's since changed his tune except for presumably

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Speaker 3: at what does it connect back in next month. And

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Speaker 3: one of the things he's doing is making it easier

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Speaker 3: put on these headsets, whether it's the Apple Vision Pro

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Speaker 3: or the the Oculus, which is cool, Yeah they're cool,

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Speaker 3: But when you put them on, you do hand tracking,

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Speaker 3: and it's kind of like okay, but not great.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like good enough for some like games like

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Speaker 5: but even then you're just still using the controllers anyway, right.

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Speaker 3: And and this this this bracelet and you know we've

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Speaker 3: seen this before. I think Leap did it like ten

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Speaker 3: years ago. Oh yeah, but it really is. It's meant

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Speaker 3: to just be better at tracking you and tracking your

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Speaker 1: To be clear, you have to be in VR for

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Speaker 1: this to mean anything, right, you have to first have

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Speaker 3: Be wearing glasses. That happened, That's that's a whole thing.

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Speaker 3: But they're they're moving towards the one day when they

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Speaker 3: can do the glasses. But we've been they've been everyone's

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Speaker 1: But props though we have to I have to say

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Speaker 1: they're the ray bands are outstanding for a content capture.

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Speaker 1: I think we all agree on that they're They're really

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Speaker 1: really good from a phone call perspective for listening to music.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's a Bluetooth connection to your phone, just

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, because you've got the putting my hands

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Speaker 3: because you've got the microphones in the nose piece of

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Speaker 1: Hear music using the glassy little speakers shooting into your ears.

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Speaker 1: Over They're really really good and some of the best

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Speaker 3: Yeah it's cool, but it's also meta.

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Speaker 1: Well. The tragedy of it is that those are practical

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Speaker 1: benefits that we all love about them, and they have

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Speaker 1: a pretty good camera, but Meta refuses to market them

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Speaker 1: meta AI to ask what you're looking at? And what

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Speaker 1: what's the best pool shot I can get on the Bible?

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Speaker 1: Like no, shut up.

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Speaker 2: I love that fucking use cases well because it's like

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Speaker 2: I don't walk around being like what the fuck is that?

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Speaker 3: What is it?

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Speaker 2: Just like, sorry, everyone, this is my first rodeo. Like

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Speaker 2: I'm just like constantly surprised by everything. Yeah, but I

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Speaker 2: hate that it's them. It's the onion thing, the worst

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Speaker 1: Yeah, has a pretty good point.

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Speaker 2: But the thing is, Kyle, you you actually talking of glasses.

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Speaker 2: You were looking at this Insta three sixty thing.

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Speaker 4: Yep, when you were wearing these.

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Speaker 2: Robotic glasses, it was like connected to a drone. No,

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Speaker 2: this thing, I will link to it in the notes.

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Speaker 2: This thing looks fucking cool.

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Speaker 5: So those glasses that almost make you look like Cayman Ryder,

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Speaker 5: like that Japanese superhero, it's all part of this giant

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Speaker 5: apparatus from Insta three sixty. You know they make three

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Speaker 5: sixty cameras, Okay, so what are they gonna do when

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Speaker 5: they make a drone? Well, they just slap a three

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Speaker 5: sixty camera on it, okay. But then they also add

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Speaker 5: the pair of goggles that's similar to the DGI goggle

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Speaker 5: that you already can get, but this one makes you

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Speaker 5: able to kind of look around in a three sixty space.

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Speaker 5: As you're flying around, you literally can turn around and

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Speaker 5: see below, you see above, you see whatever is happening

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Speaker 5: around you. Is cool as far as like flying around, Uh,

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Speaker 5: you know, it's there's other drones like FPV drones, which

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Speaker 5: flips and stuff when.

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Speaker 3: You're in a video game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so cool.

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Speaker 5: So but this one is is more just like experiential.

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Speaker 5: You can say it's like a quote unquote immersive. That's

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Speaker 5: the word they like to use, but I prefer to

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Speaker 5: just say you're you're you're a big floating head in

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Speaker 3: Ground video games. That's just that's awesome.

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Speaker 2: I like it, even though I know in your review

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Speaker 5: So, I mean it's not like the Best Flyer. There

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Speaker 5: When you're trying to turn Oh, like, uh, this isn't

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Speaker 5: it's going to be in like twenty twenty six. This

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Speaker 5: make it like a thing. It's also going to cost

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Speaker 5: like probably more than two thousand dollars. I can already tell.

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Speaker 2: I can't hate the thing is. This is not meant

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Speaker 2: to be like for everyone. And I'm glad someone's doing

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Speaker 2: if you go, like going in a weird canyon or something. Oh,

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Speaker 2: fly it like above something like. I like that. I'm

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Speaker 2: glad that there's something happening.

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Speaker 1: Yes, because sorry, no, no, no please. I just covered something

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Speaker 1: that is almost exactly the opposite of this, right where

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Speaker 1: this is this total immersion thing that you use outside.

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Speaker 1: And I just got done covering Terminal, which is this

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Speaker 1: little tablet for the home.

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Speaker 3: I hate that thing.

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Speaker 1: Oh I'm excited to hear why you hate. Hold on,

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Speaker 1: let me tell you what it is. Terminal. Take out

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Speaker 1: all the vowels, because it is in fact two thousand

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Speaker 1: and eight. And you put this in your house, It's

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Speaker 1: like a one hundred and fifty bucks or something. It's

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Speaker 1: just an e ink screen that gives you ambient information

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Speaker 1: throughout the day. It's like one of these Google Home

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Speaker 1: or Amazon things that has a screen, except the screen

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Speaker 1: is much less distracting, and it is it only refreshes

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Speaker 1: once every five minutes, and it doesn't listen to you,

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Speaker 1: doesn't do anything like that. It just tells you the weather,

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Speaker 1: tells you when the next train is, tells you how

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Speaker 1: many city bikes at your desk.

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Speaker 3: But it doesn't always refresh, and so you're like, oh,

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Speaker 3: it's not going to rain, and then you just go

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Speaker 3: outside and you're like, well, whoops.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're right, because it's it's this very hackery thing.

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Speaker 2: Right. I've seen I've I seen a few people derisively

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Speaker 5: You're paying for the service to use their servers to

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Speaker 1: Android Google's building it into Android sixteen. Is this kind

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Speaker 1: of mode that will not require you to have a

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Speaker 1: Samsung phone. You can have any Android phone running FRO

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Speaker 1: running sixteen. One of the things I did was, I

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Speaker 1: thank you for reminding me about Shadow, because I forgot

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Speaker 1: last time I reviewed Samsung Decks. I used Shadow to

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Speaker 1: play like Titanic Adventure, Out of Time and other CD

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Speaker 1: Rohm classics from my youth, and it was absolutely great.

446
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Speaker 2: But wait, wait, wait, what does decks actually do.

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Speaker 1: It's so you plug your phone into a monitoring keyboard

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Speaker 1: and mouse and you do not USBC, SBC whatever, and

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Speaker 1: then it just creates a desktop environment like it like Windows,

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Speaker 1: except it's Android. It's your fine, so you don't have

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Speaker 1: to find a Wi Fi hat, You've reready got a

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Speaker 1: se connection. You don't have to move your files to

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Speaker 1: it because your files are already on your phone.

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Speaker 3: Atrix promised us this fifteen years and Trix Variety.

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Speaker 2: And Atrix four G Yeah, they never trust that fucking guy.

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Speaker 2: Well actually was good now that they've got the.

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Speaker 1: Race Razor Ultra, we love that. We love a wooden phone.

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Speaker 3: And thank you Lenovo Wooden.

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Speaker 1: Indeed it's wood on it. You got wood, You got Alcantara.

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Speaker 1: If you want to get a really gross overnight and

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Speaker 1: then what fake?

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Speaker 2: What do you mean gross?

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Speaker 3: Like yes, yeah, alcantara is is like a fabric and

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Speaker 3: that was what they put on the palm rest for

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Speaker 3: the surface. And it can get dirty.

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Speaker 2: Because it's one just flipping out of a low razor.

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Speaker 3: But like two months in after you do like a

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Speaker 3: New York summer, it's just going to be so disgusting

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Speaker 3: on the front.

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Speaker 2: No one will ever drop it like just absorbs all.

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Speaker 3: But you know then it's your You've got a nice patina.

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Speaker 3: No one will ever touch it because they'll be disgusting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, I think it's great and I will

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Speaker 2: say it. I want Apple to do this fucking flip phone.

475
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Speaker 2: I want him to do something different. I'm tired of

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Speaker 2: I want my I have the most giant phone. I

477
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Speaker 2: occasionally go back to the smaller iPhone. I hate it.

478
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Speaker 2: I want the big one again, except I want an

479
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Speaker 2: even bigger one. I want Apple to do foldables so bad.

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Speaker 1: I don't need to wait for a photoble. I got

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Speaker 1: just the thing for you. Ever use clicks for the iPhone?

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Speaker 1: I have a clicks I have a click disclosure.

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Speaker 2: I am a co founder click co found I bought

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Speaker 2: when I sent you a picture of me using which

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it and I.

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Speaker 1: Hear that makes it big. Just use that and it

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Speaker 1: makes it click you too.

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Speaker 2: No, the thing is, I don't have a trouble typing

489
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Speaker 2: on the phone at all. I just want the screen.

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Speaker 2: I would like my screen to be twice the size.

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Speaker 3: Well, you could just carry an iPad.

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Speaker 2: I do carry an iPad, and I love the iPad pro.

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Speaker 2: I really do take photos. I'm not my dad, my dad. No,

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Speaker 2: I love my dad. He pulls out his iPad many

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Speaker 2: and it's just like the most like it's no, No,

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Speaker 2: I love it. I love the fact that he's into

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Speaker 2: the iPad because I got him as the original iPad

498
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Speaker 2: whenever like the second. No, it's the first iPad many

499
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Speaker 2: they released. And my dad, I love hearing this and

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Speaker 2: he loved it. He uses it all the time, and

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Speaker 2: I consider like that the best sign of technology.

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Speaker 1: If like like like an.

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Speaker 2: Older person who's just a regular person who does like

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Speaker 2: a business job and like listens to the radio and

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Speaker 2: watches the news, Like what are their use cases with it?

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Speaker 2: And the fact that he picks it up and uses

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Speaker 2: it like as a pic, as a as a picture taker.

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Speaker 1: That's the term picture taker.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think it's lovely, and I think it affordable.

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Speaker 2: And look it's me, he's photographing me, and that's actually

511
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Speaker 2: really cool. And this is yeah, And I get back

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Speaker 2: to my thing that the UX situation. We're just at

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Speaker 2: the limits of the current UX.

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Speaker 3: I think so.

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Speaker 2: And also my controversial opinion, which is the vision pro

516
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Speaker 2: is amazing when it works.

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Speaker 3: It's so heavy it is.

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Speaker 2: But when I say when it works, I mean we're

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Speaker 2: talking four percent of the time. Have I told any

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Speaker 2: of you what's happened with my vision progress? So I

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Speaker 2: got told my good Matt Bambike, who told me that

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Speaker 2: Metallica was on the vision prom like a big, heavy

523
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Speaker 2: thing that's kind of lost its way and we're not

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Speaker 2: really sure why we engage with it. Sounds like Metallica.

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Speaker 2: So I get this thing, I put it on. It goes.

526
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Speaker 2: You need to update the fuck it. Okay, I'll update.

527
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Speaker 2: I have that shit all the time. I let it

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Speaker 2: start downloading, I pick it up, I put it down,

529
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Speaker 2: I pick it up, the UX doesn't load again. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you have to keep this thing on your fucking head

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Speaker 2: while you update it. Yep, it's like a fifteen minute

532
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Speaker 2: long update. This feels like just the easiest thing in

533
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Speaker 2: the world for them to fix, and it's just it's

534
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Speaker 2: so annoying because there are there are like several minutes

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Speaker 2: at a time when I'm using the Vision Pro when

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Speaker 2: I can make it work, which is not at the

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Speaker 2: moment where I'm just like, damn, this feels like the

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Speaker 2: few It's a giant screen. It like I can grab things,

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Speaker 2: and then like the headset moves three centimeters. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: now it's out of focus.

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Speaker 3: Have you used to quest like this?

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Speaker 2: I have the Quest three and it's just like even

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Speaker 2: then my strange skulleah, like lots of people love measuring

544
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Speaker 2: my skulls reasons, but it's just like the Quest three

545
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Speaker 2: doesn't feel right, but it feels better than this. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: But the Vision Pro has these moments, and I think

547
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Speaker 2: it's just because the it's less about the Vision Pro

548
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Speaker 2: more the idea of yeah, an interface that we could

549
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Speaker 2: reach out and grab and move around with our hands.

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Speaker 2: It makes sense and it works when it works, but

551
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Speaker 2: it doesn't work very often, and it's just the problem

552
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Speaker 2: is is every article is either this is the most

553
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Speaker 2: amazing thing, which is not, or it's this completely sucks,

554
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Speaker 2: which it does a lot of the time.

555
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Speaker 3: Yeah, where it's in a journey.

556
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Speaker 2: I wish all the money if from AI had gone

557
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Speaker 2: into this, not because I think it would be particularly successful,

558
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Speaker 2: but we get we get somewhere too quicker.

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Speaker 3: It did go into it at Meta, it didn't go.

560
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Speaker 2: Yeah, forty two billion dollars went into experiments doing air quotes.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's what Android X are is supposed

562
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Speaker 5: to be. Right, it's going to be first Samsung's Project

563
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Speaker 5: Muhan is just going to be you know, one Apple

564
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Speaker 5: Vision Pro but with Yeah, it's so Samsung's making a

565
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Speaker 5: Vision Pro. It's gonna have very similar like micro oled displays.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if it's going to go the full

567
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Speaker 5: like four K four K or whatever bullshit, but it'll

568
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Speaker 5: just be like, you know, it'll be Android's version of

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Speaker 5: Apple's Vision OS. It's just going to be a little

570
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Speaker 5: bit more AI focused because it's all full of Google.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

572
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Speaker 2: Because I was using these Vichua glasses if you heard

573
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Speaker 2: of these, Yes.

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Speaker 4: I've used them these weirdly in.

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Speaker 2: Just put them on you have a USB. It doesn't

576
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Speaker 2: try and be fancy enough, and you just have a

577
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Speaker 2: couple you put in your phone and you have them

578
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Speaker 2: on your glasses and it looks pretty big.

579
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Speaker 5: That's that's the best thing about Like, yeah, I like

580
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Speaker 5: air glasses because I just like secondary screens. It's like, oh, okay,

581
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Speaker 5: you know they're good for a plane. They're just a

582
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Speaker 5: little bit expensive, but yeah they do what do you

583
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Speaker 5: need them to do?

584
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Speaker 2: Then I put it on the plane, I'm like, ah, right,

585
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 2: I don't want to look straight ahead. But it was

586
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Speaker 2: just like me, just like this is cool. Can I

587
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Speaker 2: move it to Nope, this is attached to my fucking face.

588
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 2: But there is something here, I swear to.

589
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Speaker 3: God, no, there is something.

590
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Speaker 2: There's so much more here than Generative AI. Like with

591
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Speaker 2: General AI have not had a goddamn moment of peace

592
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 2: in two years, but also not a goddamn moment where

593
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Speaker 2: I've been like okay, I kind of I kind of

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Speaker 2: see it. And there were moments with the Vision. There's

595
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Speaker 2: moments with the Quest where I've been like, okay, like

596
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Speaker 2: horseshoes and hand grenades. Yeah, Steam game where you can

597
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 2: just like pick up guns and it's like extremely realistic

598
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 2: and it just feels so good and it's satisfied, like

599
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Speaker 2: exactly the kind of moment that you're like, this is

600
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Speaker 2: great fun technology. I fucking love the future. The same

601
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Speaker 2: thing when I I remember when I got the original

602
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 2: iPhone on singular wireless in Penn State, and I remember

603
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 2: the moment of like, Wow, I don't have to wait

604
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Speaker 2: for my voicemail. Wow, I can just type out and

605
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 2: I can move apps. This is cool. Those moments are

606
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Speaker 2: there with XR and VR. I'm actually like, I'm not

607
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 2: like a fantasist about it. Most of the shit sucks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I think Google is going to say is

609
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Speaker 3: that they've invested in AI so that the AI can

610
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Speaker 3: go and actually fix all of the problems that the

611
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Speaker 3: brilliant scientists and researchers haven't been able to do, to

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Speaker 3: actually make a pair of good looking XR glasses that

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Speaker 3: you can wear on your face.

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Speaker 2: That it's so funny.

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Speaker 1: Well, so I spent almost the entirety of last CEES

616
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Speaker 1: looking at displays because I was going to cover other things,

617
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Speaker 1: and then I very quickly realized the most interesting stuff

618
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Speaker 1: on the floor was was eyeglasses for ar you know, applications,

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Speaker 1: and I used the even realities g one. If you

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Speaker 1: used these one of these, these are some very normal

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Speaker 1: looking glasses that if you're a Harry Potter fan, you're

622
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Speaker 1: you're really a fan of them, because they can't make

623
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Speaker 1: you look like that. But they don't look like they

624
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: have tech in them. In fact, the first ad I

625
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: saw for them, I did not believe that they existed.

626
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, you guys are just hitting me with a

627
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Speaker 1: render and this is vapor where it's never going to launch.

628
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: And so I'm on a friend's head and I'm like, what,

629
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Speaker 1: wait are those they? And you put them on and

630
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Speaker 1: they have us monochrome wargames esque like green text.

631
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 2: Displace these on Instagram. Dude.

632
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Speaker 1: They are and they look they do very few things,

633
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 1: but they do them all pretty damn well.

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Speaker 2: As Chris fvelasco, the legend of it was, I was

635
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: talking about them and they're great.

636
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: I kept wearing them for weeks after the review and

637
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: what they do and caveat I'm a sucker for notification

638
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: dashboards terminal smart watches. This takes your smart watch, puts

639
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: it on your face and so if you're just interacting,

640
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: you're fine, and then you look up and then you

641
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: have a little dashboard you have to look up. No,

642
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: you can set it so that if you get a

643
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: notification that pops up right in front of your so

644
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,959
Speaker 1: if I'm looking at you, I'm actually reading my messages

645
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 1: and that's creepy, So I keep that off.

646
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm the other way around though, where I'm like,

647
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,239
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want this on all the time, but if

648
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 2: I could look up just to take a look, Yeah,

649
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: because if I see a notification, I want to chew

650
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 2: on it. Yeah, I want to take a look. What

651
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 2: you go for me? Absolutely? And I love this. And again,

652
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 2: is this super useful? It's useful? Is it too expensive?

653
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 2: I assume yes?

654
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: Probably.

655
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 2: I forgot how they look like.

656
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: You have to wear a leather duster with them whenever.

657
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's that's the thing. So this is my

658
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: main complaint with all the other stuff you're talking about,

659
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: is like the I'm sorry, I always bring out XP

660
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: real just to like beat on them, but like great technology,

661
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: but when you wear it, it's it is x reel.

662
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: You put on sunglasses, but you have like four inches

663
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: of I don't know, foam between them and your eyes,

664
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: Like they just ride so damn high and they're just

665
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: just because of the what is x rel They're like

666
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: what you just described for airplane viewing. They're like, you know,

667
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: wearable displays for years, but they're.

668
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 4: Also working on an XSAR thing for Android.

669
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: Are they yep? Okay, that means display technology that doesn't

670
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 1: require like you know, you would working.

671
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 2: Vision pro by. Now, if they'd put the four hundred

672
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: billion dollars into this ship, like that's the that's the

673
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 2: actual thing. If they wanted to invest in the future,

674
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 2: even if it's not xr VR, if they put hundreds

675
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 2: of billions of dollars into the next interface, and their

676
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 2: argument would be, oh, yeah, well, AI is the next

677
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 2: interface because you can just talk right, No, I can't. No,

678
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: I can't at all. I have a British accent. Do

679
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: you know I have to have British Siri sometimes because

680
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: sometimes Siri just because I don't.

681
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 3: Oh no, I don't. A lot of my family has

682
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 3: really strong Southern and Texas accents. It's incredible, like it

683
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 3: has not nothing has improved from when Google first and

684
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 3: out first issued like voicemail where we would transcribe it.

685
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 3: Nothing's improved, Siri, Android, any of them. If they've got

686
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 3: a really strong accent and they're talking like dish, no, no,

687
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 3: my god, it's not nonal fucking work.

688
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: Oh my god, just tie it out. You have to

689
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 2: people in the South and people in love Baltimore.

690
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: Just fuck just absolutely fun giving that food question. Actually,

691
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: did you know that when you go to Europe the

692
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: Android dictation engine changes.

693
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: No GDPR I sum or something like that.

694
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: I don't know why. All I know is when I'm

695
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: in Europe and I'm trying to type and I'm like, no,

696
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: I'll come to you period, it says period. I have

697
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: to say no, I'll come to you full stop.

698
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: Oh that makes more sense.

699
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty cool. It's pretty smart.

700
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: If you go around in England being like period, people

701
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: don't look at this at the end of every sentence like, oh,

702
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 2: you seem fine. But it's I do think though that

703
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: this is this is a very dread infused time. It's

704
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: very doom ory. But then I see these little folded

705
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 2: I see the fun device. I'm like, that's industry does

706
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 2: actually have other things. It's just I think we might

707
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: have maxed out software. I think we may have reached

708
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: the limits of what software can do based on what

709
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: we have as computing devices.

710
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 3: I'm sure, yeah.

711
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's not fully at the limits, but I'm

712
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 2: just saying as far as consumers go with using stuff.

713
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 2: But what do you think, Alex I would.

714
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 3: Say that it is more laziness of the large companies,

715
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 3: the Apples and the Samsung's and the Googles and the Microsoft's,

716
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 3: the Lenovo's, I mean, well, the Lenovo actually they have fun. Yeah,

717
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 3: Lenovo's actually really good at like we're going to experiment,

718
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 3: and they're Chinese company.

719
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 4: They're always trying something you.

720
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 3: Know a lot of but the primarily these American companies

721
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 3: making gadgets and stuff, they don't try. All of they're

722
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 3: interested in is how can I get you to replace

723
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 3: what you have in two years?

724
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: Yeah?

725
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 3: That's it. And instead of being like, how can I

726
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 3: get you to replace what you have in two years

727
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 3: by completely redefining the entire industry, they're like, now you

728
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 3: can use magnets, it's longer, and it's like, well, that's cool,

729
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 3: But am I really going to upgrade my phone just

730
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 3: for that? I might, No, people in this room might.

731
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: I definitely would, but but you're right, but with.

732
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 3: The people outside of this room, anybody.

733
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: Have a case for that.

734
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: It's also I think they've tried to do everything with

735
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 2: one device, which is great, but that's where you bump up,

736
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: like the limits of entertainment I think are we're reaching,

737
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 2: especially because watching I'm done with people telling me to

738
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 2: watch I don't know how people watch like full movies

739
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: on their phone. Even the biggest, most hug just for

740
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: they're young.

741
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 3: They stirred it.

742
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: No, I mean I mean older people too. I mean

743
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 2: I've just met people and it's like on like a

744
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 2: six inch phone and it's like, what the fuck? This

745
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 2: is worse than an app.

746
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 3: My brother did that. He watched Sinners like on his

747
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 3: pad and he's like, why does everybody like Sinners? It's

748
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,479
Speaker 3: not very good? And I was like, how'd you watch it, like,

749
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 3: you know, in the middle of the day with the

750
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 3: lights all on on my iPad? And I'm like, well,

751
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 3: of course you didn't like it. Hell yeah, did it together, sir?

752
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: Watching The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly on Detroit too,

753
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 2: that was a good fun I like the droid too.

754
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: That was And also, just to be clear, you can

755
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 2: do experiments that suck. I did also try the BlackBerry

756
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 2: Storm back in the day. With It's like it was

757
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 2: a screen where you could just like do happen. It

758
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 2: was like you could press it felt like you were

759
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: pressing in, but it felt.

760
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: It didn't it flowed down a button.

761
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 2: It felt bad. It felt like it was a slightly

762
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 2: harder version of poking some like Greek yoga. It was,

763
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: which is not the sensation I want? While typing like

764
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 2: a clunk to it.

765
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 3: That was the one that, like BlackBerry was like, this

766
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 3: is gonna save us.

767
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was that big. It was so it was

768
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 2: like the homomobile of funds. It's fucking wrong. I love

769
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 2: them for how bad it was.

770
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were like, we're gonna we don't need this

771
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 3: multi touch stuff.

772
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: We got this, Yeah, we got you want your screen

773
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: to move?

774
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 2: Do you ever want a screen that feels that makes

775
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 2: you feel bad every time you touch it? And everyone

776
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: else is like we're working on that with different ways.

777
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 2: It's I also think that the it's nice to see

778
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 2: here that there's some fun as well because the AI

779
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: stuff and I'm not gonna make this a big complain

780
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: first about AI. You got the rest of the episodes,

781
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 2: but there's something joyless about large language. It's not fun.

782
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 2: I'm not using any of it and being like, oh,

783
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: how whimsicll like, oh you're having They don't seem like

784
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 2: we're haven't they're having fun. We're not having fun at

785
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: least with some dorky, insane fun. You're like, okay, yeah,

786
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 2: what are you good fun?

787
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 3: I mean the vibe coders. The vibe coders are having fun.

788
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: Though they're not read the Vibe coding Reddit. It's a

789
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 2: bunch of people talking like they've been captured by North Korea. Yeah,

790
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: it's straighted. Be like, I love doing this every day mice.

791
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: I've put three months of my life and thousands of

792
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: dollars into this, and I have eight paying customers.

793
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 3: It's the best thing in the world.

794
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 2: It's so funny. And you you read and they're like, yeah,

795
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: I don't get how this happened. And someone will be like, yeah,

796
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 2: you don't read code. You can't understand how this cat

797
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 2: well I asked it to tell me. It's like, yeah,

798
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 2: that's that's the problem. But it's like, there's nothing dorky

799
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 2: or funny about it. Even the meta verse was more

800
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: fun than this.

801
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 4: It was more fun to make fun of it.

802
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,479
Speaker 3: Like the metaverse. That first time you put on that

803
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 3: stupid Windows headset and you had your big Windows playhouse

804
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 3: and you go and you put a giant dinosaur in it,

805
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 3: and then you ask your coworker to try on the

806
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 3: headset and they're like, why the hell is a giant

807
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 3: dinosaur staring at me? Like that's fun, but you can't

808
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 3: do that. Yeah, it's it's hard to troll people with AI.

809
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 3: I mean you have to, like you really have to

810
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 3: think about it.

811
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 2: That's the thing, though. People trolled a little hard. Because

812
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 2: what I also enjoyed was watching during the metaverse, regular

813
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 2: journalists be like I'll check cut this VR chat thing

814
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 2: and just like getting the worst people online. A bunch

815
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: of people dressed as knuckles just doing racism constantly, just

816
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 2: like endless races. And if you're thirteen year old, Yeah,

817
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: just thirteen year old saying the worst sheet you've heard

818
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 2: in your life, and like I'm here from a business magazine.

819
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 2: It's like, fuck you, piece of shit. No, it's great.

820
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 2: I think the journalists need to see the real Internet occasionally.

821
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you can't do that with You can.

822
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: Just do that with the Internet. You've been able to

823
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 2: do it for decades. It's just but the metaverse also

824
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 2: you saw some people try some weird shit. You saw

825
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: a lot of grifters and all this crap, like whatever,

826
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: but it was like at least someone was having fun.

827
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 2: Mark Zuckerberg was lying, but also people didn't really full

828
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: ask the metaverse. I wish that they had put this

829
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 2: kind of money into it, because we would have got

830
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: one really shit thing and one really funny thing.

831
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean they to an extent they did

832
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 3: put the money in, Like apples, Apple spent a lot

833
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 3: of money.

834
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 2: I don't think they did that because of the metaverse.

835
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: I think that they were planning it anyway.

836
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 3: Really, I think I always felt it was like, we

837
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 3: need to play catch up. Everyone is talking.

838
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: They've been Yeah, I can see that Apple, But I

839
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 2: refuse to believe it's been two three years. Well it

840
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: came out twenty twenty four. I don't think they've only

841
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 2: been working on it two years. Maybe they don't accelerated.

842
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 3: Out they've been.

843
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: They've been working on it for Steve Jobs would have

844
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: fucking killed them. Can you imagine Steve Jobs finding about that.

845
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 2: He would have beaten someone to death with the willows.

846
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 5: Wasn't the idea that they were creating glasses first, and

847
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 5: then they're like, this is the step towards the glasses

848
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 5: and now well there was all that talk whether or

849
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 5: not they're actually making a glass. Now they're back on

850
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 5: whether or not they're going to be smart glasses or

851
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 5: ar glasses. It seems silly.

852
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody was like, okay, and this, this is the

853
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 3: dumbest part of the generative AI moment is ten years

854
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 3: ago everybody was like, we're going to have smart glasses,

855
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 3: but they are going to be you put them on

856
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 3: and you talk to somebody because Alexa is doing it

857
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 3: and there's in Siri and all of this, So we're

858
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 3: going to do it just like this. It didn't work

859
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 3: because we don't know how to interact audio wise with

860
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 3: computers and stuff. It's not just like it is in

861
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 3: Star Trek. It's actually more complex, right, you have to

862
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 3: consider multiple users and stuff. So everybody's like, okay, how

863
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 3: else can we do this, Well, we'll do the metaverse

864
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 3: and we'll do these ar glasses. And then they were like, wait,

865
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 3: we can't figure out how to make these glasses small enough,

866
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 3: with battery life, with good vision, Like, we can't do

867
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 3: all of that. And then Generative AI came out and

868
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 3: there was everbody's like, you know what, we're gonna do

869
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 3: that Alexa.

870
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: Shit again, I love that as well, because Alexa didn't work.

871
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 2: It still doesn't, and they were like, well, we'll make

872
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 2: a new one that works worse. Yes, and it's I

873
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 2: haven't have any of you used Alexa plus yet no?

874
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, not only in demos.

875
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: Damn I was I really when I read about that,

876
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: and they're like, it's worse and it can you can

877
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, make me a recipe for like chicken

878
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: pasta and it will tell you it. And I just

879
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 2: think that people need to accept the voice is not

880
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 2: a good interface just in general. I don't think it

881
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: needs to be perfect perfect.

882
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 3: There's so much more training of ourselves.

883
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: Right because like you, I don't want to be trained.

884
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 2: I want to use the thing, but you.

885
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 3: Are trained, Like we're all trained. We're trained to use our.

886
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: Phone limited use cases like you know, turn the lights on,

887
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: to turn to open the garage door or whatever like.

888
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: But but beyond that, to your point, like it's it's

889
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: required to be usable by such a wide squath of

890
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: humans that it's almost important.

891
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 3: We all want to do it, just like start absolutely.

892
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: I also think it has a very flat view of tasks.

893
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 2: I think that most people think that it's going to

894
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: be well, people like Sunda Pushai or Andy jasse think

895
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: that people go into the house and go and I

896
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: will do that, and I will do this, not me.

897
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 2: I'm like, what about the YouTube? What about the chrome thing? Oh?

898
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: I just breathe this off. Well now why fuck? I'm

899
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,959
Speaker 2: meant to send an email? Send an email? Okay, Fuck,

900
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 2: I've got the information for the email. Shit, why am I?

901
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: Why is it so fucking hot in here? I need

902
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: to make it cold in it? Fuck? It's how to

903
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: put this YouTube back on?

904
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 3: Yeh, you can't multitask at all.

905
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 2: Right. It also just can't do any context switching. You

906
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: cannot do it.

907
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: And I will do something which I think would be

908
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 1: ten amount of suicide on any other day. I will

909
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: defend an LLM on your podcast. Okay, I feel like

910
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: it's probably a good mechanic for training these things to

911
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: do exactly that, because I have found the one enjoyable

912
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: bit of using lllm's I've found is that I'll talk

913
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: to Gemini Live a lot, because I'm very used to

914
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: as we all are, doing a Google Voice dictated search

915
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: for what I'm looking for. But I love that Gemini

916
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: lets me talk to it like my brain actually works,

917
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: like thinking about this thing. It's like a wrench, but

918
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: it's not. It's like a ratcheting socket that's probably not

919
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: ratcheting anyway. It's a vacuum cleaner adjustment, you know what

920
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: I mean. And then she'll be like, oh, yeah, I

921
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: totally got it here, here's what it is. But that's

922
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: and then her return to to be fair, we will

923
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: be twenty percent wrong, but at least she's gotten me.

924
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: I'm with you.

925
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 2: This is the use case of llms, which is they

926
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 2: are better at inferring meaning from what we say, and

927
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: they have found a way to do that, which is

928
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: just better search, which gets back to the thing that

929
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 2: you were saying, Alex about how these companies are lazy,

930
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 2: because why does it Why didn't Google have this ten

931
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 2: years ago? How are there no other ways to do this?

932
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 2: And why is Google still not really like this? In

933
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 2: the search engine part, you have to go into Gemini

934
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 2: and even when you you can't type in to Google

935
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 2: search that kind of thing. Now when you try and

936
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: I will type in like cite the information a term,

937
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: and it will be like, I don't fucking know, man,

938
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: because I didn't write dot com. Yeah, because it is

939
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 2: just I don't know what possibly could cite colon the

940
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 2: information mean, oh you had a dot com. It's a website.

941
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: My bad, Like I'm only worth We're only a market

942
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: cap of four trillion dollars. Fuck you.

943
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 3: Well, they would say you should be using Chrome to

944
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 3: do it.

945
00:39:54,640 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 2: Answer Chrome, No, I wasn't. I'm still in Chrome a

946
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 2: little bit because certain websites don't work because we live

947
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:03,720
Speaker 2: in the future.

948
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 3: I tried to switch to Coggy's mobile browser. Worst experience.

949
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 2: I switched to Firefox, and I hate it.

950
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 3: It's sometimes some things just work better.

951
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: I live in Chrome. I guess where I'm I mean,

952
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: especially since Pocket died. Now I have to use Chrome

953
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: from my mobile bookmarks and it has on passwords. It

954
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: has oh man, that's actually another thing.

955
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 2: Just really grinds my giars. Bookmarks are the same. Still,

956
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 2: I don't use bookmarks because I'm chaotic, and every time

957
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: I save something, I forget where I saved it.

958
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 3: I just assume I'll remember everything.

959
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 2: I actually no, I genuinely, I genuinely do, Like I

960
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 2: remember no same, Yeah, and it works out.

961
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh my god, I remember everything but

962
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 1: exactly the wrong time. No, I remember everything.

963
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I should look at it as long as I

964
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 2: have the weirdest cues, like several words. If you read

965
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 2: my notes from my newslet that they're insane. It's like

966
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: three set three broken sentences with like a question mark

967
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: and a type up. I'm like, that's sixteen thousand words, babe.

968
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, all I didn't have this on my list,

969
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: but there's a gadget for that.

970
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: What is it?

971
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: The plowed or plod ai recorder things? Right now?

972
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 3: What is this thought?

973
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: They work pretty well, and in fact, you could say

974
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: they work too well. They make a little cart credit

975
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 1: card size thing. It's very thin, it's very impressive. It's metals. Now,

976
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: this is the notepin. This is the thing that works

977
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: too well. They had a bug. You want to know

978
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: what the bug was? What was it that fucker would

979
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 1: record when you didn't ask if to. I have four

980
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: hours of me snoring at C on the note and

981
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, guys, you have to fix this

982
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: because it's the one thing that can't do. And they're like, oh, yes,

983
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: we were replacing those affected units. Yeah.

984
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 2: Well, I'm so sorry though, Now that isn't impossible to

985
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: buy device in the review, anyone, I said, anyone who

986
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 2: knows that happened to you, I wouldn't be able to

987
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: buy it.

988
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: Nope, I don't trust it.

989
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 3: You probably have because we all have phones, and phones

990
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 3: have definitely done that too. I more than once had

991
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 3: my phone just be like, I'm sorry, I didn't catch that,

992
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 3: and I was like, I was on the fucking toilet.

993
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 3: I didn't need you to catch that.

994
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, my I like my home pods, but they do

995
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 2: occasionally hear me and just go like, I don't know

996
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 2: what that means. It's like, yeah, I was. I was

997
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 2: screaming to myself, thank you.

998
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 3: I was just watching TV.

999
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: I was just mad. I was just saying some of

1000
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 2: the words that I say inside when I am upset.

1001
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 5: Even the PS five, the PlayStation five has that ability.

1002
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 5: You don't know it because nobody enables it, but it

1003
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 5: actually works. You can like talk into the controller and

1004
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 5: control the PS five that way. And I turned it

1005
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 5: on and I just keep forgetting to take it off.

1006
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 5: And now I'm just like, I'm just talking with my brother,

1007
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 5: and then the PS five is like, are you sure,

1008
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 5: and I'm like, what do you mean?

1009
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: No, PlayStation five? That's why I'm talking. I don't know,

1010
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 2: and I just I want them to do more fun things.

1011
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 2: I'm so glad I the fact that you, Michael have

1012
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 2: this flip phone out. I keep looking at it being

1013
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: like this, but there's the trifold, now, ru we love

1014
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 2: the trifle.

1015
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 3: It is actually doing a lot of these Chinese companies

1016
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 3: are doing really interesting innovating. Huawei is doing it, Lenovo

1017
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 3: is doing it. Apple is like, we'll get there in

1018
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 3: five years after everyone else has done it, right, we

1019
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 3: can like test it there.

1020
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 2: And one thing I will say is you can't do

1021
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 2: contiguous between the wind.

1022
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, when you're running to a side by side,

1023
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: well exactly that kind of Android demands you like you

1024
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: select your focus. Yeah, so you can't be doing it

1025
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: both at once.

1026
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: And that's the weird thing like Apple used to like

1027
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 2: they had the Apple High five. They used to take

1028
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 2: fun risks and then Steve Jobs would kill the family.

1029
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: Is if everyone involved.

1030
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: Well they and they failed at a risk. They air

1031
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: air air dock yeah yeah, yeah, the charging power.

1032
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 2: So far the listeners. There was this thing that now

1033
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 2: exists in nineteen different forms where they were going to

1034
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: do this block where you could put your air pods,

1035
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 2: your Apple watch and your phone. And they would talk

1036
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 2: about it every few months and they'd be like, it's

1037
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 2: just around the core. They announced it like it was

1038
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 2: like a big thing. They announced the malt Gumman would

1039
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 2: just put out it's like, no, it's not gonna and

1040
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: it was. It just they just canceled it one day

1041
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: and then Anchor and several hundred other companies.

1042
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: Well it was different ahead, it was different.

1043
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 3: So so what Apple was trying to do was like

1044
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 3: take those those coils, the charging coils, and stack them

1045
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 3: on each other so it's one real small spot so

1046
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 3: you could throw it on anywhere on the pad and

1047
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 3: it would charge, whereas everybody else is like you have

1048
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 3: to have your little spots. And I love I've got

1049
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 3: I've got one and it's great. I use it all

1050
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,240
Speaker 3: the time. But air power would have been slightly cooler

1051
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 3: except for it was like melting things.

1052
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: They couldn't figure it out one way or.

1053
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: Wow, costomers a.

1054
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 3: Melted a hole in my phone.

1055
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: Oh but now we have like mag safe obviated the

1056
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: need for it, right, because the magnets are better for

1057
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: end Like it's like, you don't it doesn't matter that

1058
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: you need to like discreetly place it because the magnets

1059
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: are gonna put it there. Anyway, and that's better. For

1060
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:55,479
Speaker 1: a reason.

1061
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: I will say, there is an anchor thing I have

1062
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: at home I don't replace out of spite, which is

1063
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 2: it's one of the things where the Apple Watch component

1064
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: flips up, so there's the circle except that thing. There

1065
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: are so many times I put it on, it just

1066
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 2: does not stick for some reason. Every time it happens

1067
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: to a piece of shit. Do I replace it? Fuck? Now,

1068
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: you I paid my fifty dollars and I will get

1069
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: every dollars worth ten years later. I will replace it

1070
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 2: when I throw it from the window.

1071
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,240
Speaker 3: I mean, that's like all my gan chargers.

1072
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 2: Now is cool? We really genuinely.

1073
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 3: I mean that's how you know it's a bunch of

1074
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 3: like nerds who love gadgets because we're all like yeah yeah.

1075
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: And if you've not heard of gallium, and I tried

1076
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 2: to mention it before, it's the thing where they basically

1077
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 2: found a way to make plugs smaller and batteries smaller.

1078
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: I actually have like these amazing anchor things. That's just

1079
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: all this cool shit that came out of it.

1080
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 3: And you Green makes really good stuff too, you Green, Yeah,

1081
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 3: you Green? There.

1082
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:54,720
Speaker 2: I thought they were just the slot brand.

1083
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 3: No they're real people.

1084
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they're one on my bag right now, and

1085
00:45:58,880 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 4: they're actually.

1086
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: Good because I've looking for Anchor alternatives just because I

1087
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 2: like melting Yeah, No, I like hank A melting things.

1088
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got recalls.

1089
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 3: Things have gotten a little more expensive, you green, and

1090
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 3: there's a few others.

1091
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 2: But I like Hanka.

1092
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: So they committed the ultimate sin long ago for me.

1093
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: The same thing all birds did. The same thing everything

1094
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: company does that that that achieves scale is they go

1095
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: from building something interesting looking in a fun color with

1096
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,479
Speaker 1: a weird shape, like ah, no, eighty percent of people

1097
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: by the boring black rectangles. So now that's all we're

1098
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: gonna shape. Anchor's variety is black or white.

1099
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 2: I go, I somewhat disagree. Oh come, just because of

1100
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 2: the nebul the right swam which she talked about. Is

1101
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 2: this insane, like three thousand dollars projectory and you can

1102
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 2: put it in a weird angle and it will still

1103
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: keystone in They do claim it's like, oh, you hit

1104
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 2: a button and it just works. Not for me. I

1105
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 2: am the person you should bring every new thing to

1106
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 2: before you say that, because it will break everything.

1107
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 3: Is there ever been a projector that just works?

1108
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 2: But it does. It gets about as close you can.

1109
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 2: It sets up in like a minute. You can keystone

1110
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 2: it at the weird that angles is fucking cool and

1111
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 2: it looks weird and it's like really nice and like

1112
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 2: the wireless speakers just working this how much it's three

1113
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 2: thousand fucking dollars.

1114
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: It's so expected good news. If you google it, you

1115
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: will get your first three results are cheaper alternatives that

1116
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: they're being paid to be put there. Nice.

1117
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 2: When I bought my GPD for whim four, I ended

1118
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: up getting scammed by Google AD I had some and

1119
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: I it was just I was buying it. I was

1120
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 2: excited to get it, and I saw and I am

1121
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 2: so resilient to these things, so I was like mad

1122
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: at myself. Yeah, I emailed fucking GPDY. I emailed Google.

1123
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 2: I was fucking I was like, listen to me. Fuck no,

1124
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 2: I was, And to be fair, GPD got back to

1125
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 2: me like, holy shit, like we're going to contact Google.

1126
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 2: Google did not. GPT was actually very concerned because it's

1127
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 2: like the whole price. Yeah, and it was just like

1128
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 2: a Chinese guy's Gmail as well, like he had a

1129
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 2: faked a perfectly good GPD website.

1130
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 3: Did he just mail your box.

1131
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 2: No, I canceled the payment like it would put it

1132
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 2: on a credit card. Because these things happened, I haven't

1133
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 2: for a long time. I was quite embarrassed. But now

1134
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 2: I like Anchor and they occasionally we'll do something on

1135
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: the Nepular X one. However, Yeah, they are mostly just blokes.

1136
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 2: They have them in different collars.

1137
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 3: Now, I mean the batteries I have, it's like mint green.

1138
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean Anchors, Anchors, like you know, charging brand.

1139
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 5: It's just kind of stayed. But like all the other

1140
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 5: ship they're doing with all their other sub brands, because

1141
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 5: now they have like twelve uh you know, they have

1142
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,479
Speaker 5: that UV printer that's really cool.

1143
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 2: What is this?

1144
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 5: So UV printers they basically use a UV light on

1145
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 5: UV activated ink.

1146
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 3: To like thermal printers.

1147
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 5: Kind of, but there's less heat involved since it's just light. Yeah,

1148
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 5: so you'll like, it'll just you can technically print on

1149
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 5: almost anything. And it can print in three D quote unquote,

1150
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 5: so if you like, you know, you're looking at oil painting,

1151
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 5: it has those like raised edges where you know, the

1152
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 5: oil thickens, it can technically do that. It's really it's

1153
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 5: really cool and I got to use it. I printed

1154
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 5: out a meme on a on a little magnet and

1155
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 5: it looks really nice. I can't wait to actually try

1156
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 5: it out more.

1157
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 2: It's lunches this thing.

1158
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 4: It's probably around like thirteen hundred dollars. No, it was

1159
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 4: more than that.

1160
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 2: It's like but that like a good three D printer.

1161
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, No, is this like one of those printers

1162
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: that I saw a number of years ago that it's

1163
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: kind of like a mouse and you like run it

1164
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: over the surface you're printing.

1165
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 5: On or No, this is a big unit, but it's

1166
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 5: like other UV printers are like gigantic and this is

1167
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 5: like a tabletop one, which is why it was like

1168
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 5: big in the maker space for like a hot minute.

1169
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 5: I don't know where it is right now, and I've

1170
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 5: been trying to get a review unit in and anchor.

1171
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 4: If you're listening, please.

1172
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 2: I actually do have a question for all three of you.

1173
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 2: I keep seeing things on Kickstarter, but I haven't touched

1174
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 2: kickstar in years because of all the shit. Is it

1175
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 2: trustworthy still? Is it still dodgy?

1176
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: And on who you're going? Like some companies, big companies

1177
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: will use Kickstarter to validate the market, like Uni Herts

1178
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,760
Speaker 1: is famous for this if you want an interesting phone,

1179
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: Uniherts is there for you. They make all the like

1180
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 1: BlackBerry revivals, all the ones. You're huge. They have a

1181
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: screen on the back for no reason. Oh yeah, yeah,

1182
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 1: you know you'd love it.

1183
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1184
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: Try Every launch they do is on Kickstarter, and they

1185
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: you know, I think they also use it as a

1186
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: pr thing because they know they're going to exceed their

1187
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: goal in the first day.

1188
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 2: But this is in twenty thirteen, anymore. Try I run a

1189
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 2: pof I know that doesn't work anymore.

1190
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, yeah, you'll see that with like it's

1191
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 3: it's mainly the big brands. The smaller brands, I would

1192
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 3: still be still yeah, because it's you just run into this.

1193
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just the practical nature of building.

1194
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,280
Speaker 1: Catchet hardware is really difficult, can confirm.

1195
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's only going to get more difficult over

1196
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 3: the next because of the tariffs and stuff. Absolute especially

1197
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 3: Americans are going to have, you know, until we get

1198
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 3: manufacturing in the United States again, it's.

1199
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 2: Going to be a chance. I look forward to that day.

1200
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: There is one that I actually invested in, which is

1201
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: technically a gadget. Now this I was going to save

1202
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: this to the very end because no one could possibly

1203
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: care about this, but they didn't follow the moon landing

1204
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:53,720
Speaker 1: program in the sixties.

1205
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 3: Tell me more.

1206
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: Okay, this is a watch. It is called the d

1207
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: Sky moon Watch Sky, and it is not a smart watch.

1208
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: It is not a it's not an LCD and all

1209
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,240
Speaker 1: this stuff. What they took. There's an Apollo guidance computer

1210
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: from the moon capsule and they shrunk it down to

1211
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: the size of a watch.

1212
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1213
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 3: Hell yeah.

1214
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: It is not just an aesthetic reproduction. It is literally

1215
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: the same computer replicably, so you can program it with

1216
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: like old sixties noun verb, you know, combinations and what

1217
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: I love, My favorite thing about it is, you know

1218
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: in the sixties you didn't have LEDs. Well, we have

1219
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: to have LEDs in the watch to do stuff. They

1220
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 1: came up with color filters to make the LED match

1221
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: the incandescent bulbs of the sixties.

1222
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 4: Like it's looks like an celloscope kind of.

1223
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 3: Like I also need this, but I'm going to get it.

1224
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: That's what I said the minute I saw I.

1225
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 1: Think eight hundred ninety bucks or something like.

1226
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 3: That, but our website it's six hundred and fifty nine pounds.

1227
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. The Americans, Yes, yes, yes, Yeah, anyway, I'll let

1228
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: you know if I get it, because I have backed it.

1229
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 2: But what does it do?

1230
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 1: It telltales at the time. It looks cool. It also

1231
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: it also is the guidance computer, so you can program

1232
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: it to It is limited by your imagination and your

1233
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: coding ability if you know nineteen sixty nine era code.

1234
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 2: Of course, yeah, which I do.

1235
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: But it's all open source so you can actually do

1236
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: whatever you want with it, which is really fun. It

1237
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 1: also has GPS for some reason, I don't know. I

1238
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: don't know what else.

1239
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 2: Okay, while we're there, it's yeah, I'm so glad. I

1240
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 2: wasn't sure coming into this weather we'd have more do deaths.

1241
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 2: It seems like there's still a healthy but there's just

1242
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 2: not in America. No good stuff here. Yeah no, sorry,

1243
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 2: you can get it here, but it's not American companies

1244
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 2: that seem to be driving this, like anchors Chinese.

1245
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I've.

1246
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 2: Got a couple actually, please please, I genuinely like to know.

1247
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: You want to pabble Okaya back because people are so

1248
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: tired of their regular watches.

1249
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's just they're never should have died, You

1250
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,959
Speaker 3: never should have died. There they're doing e ink watches again.

1251
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 3: They start shipping this month. I definitely ordered both.

1252
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: How much did they cost?

1253
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 3: You know, they're just watches.

1254
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 1: Well, they're smart watching.

1255
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're smart watching. They've got they've got they've got

1256
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 3: you know, they've got heart rate monitors in them. They

1257
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 3: do notifications, Bluetooth Bluetooth, Bluetooth is and it's and it's

1258
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 3: just it's just a watch and you can you know,

1259
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 3: they have a very robust user community.

1260
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 2: That's the killer and apps and such.

1261
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, so that was the thing that I mean,

1262
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 3: Pebble was the first one doing apps on a watch,

1263
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 3: and they did it well and people liked it, and

1264
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 3: then they sold, right.

1265
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: They sold a Fitbit who was then who were then

1266
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: bought by Google.

1267
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 3: Immediately and it just di it killed it and the

1268
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 3: guy got it back, got the right couple back and

1269
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 3: he's like he's just out there making cool as hell watches.

1270
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: Yes, And and I think the user community is the

1271
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 1: is the thing because all these I love a smart watch,

1272
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 1: but the ones from Google and Apple are kind of

1273
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 1: soulless of necessity because their corporate products and the wider

1274
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: consumer exactly where's the Pebble is? Like, Wow, who made

1275
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,439
Speaker 1: this weird Ostrich watch face that's like, oh some guy

1276
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 1: in Denmark. No, that's cool.

1277
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 3: I mean the Pebble watch. My best friend, she goes

1278
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 3: to Orange Theory. She she's like very, drinks her Starbucks very.

1279
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,439
Speaker 3: I love her, but she does not give a ship

1280
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 3: about smart watches. And she's not gonna care about the Pebble.

1281
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 3: If I told her about it, she'd say what, Yeah,

1282
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 3: and where's an Apple watch that cares about it? Yeah?

1283
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 3: And it's just a perfect gadget.

1284
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 2: And how much was again.

1285
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 4: Launched something?

1286
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1287
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: And he's only making small batches, so it has to

1288
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: it could be cheaper, but he's.

1289
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 3: Only doing how much I spent on these watches?

1290
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: Right, that's a credit cards.

1291
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 3: Spent a lot exactly. I already paid for it all,

1292
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 3: so it's not past Alex's problem. I just get free

1293
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 3: stuff now.

1294
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:43,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I think exactly. That's how it works.

1295
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, boy, any other American American? The Light Fund, the

1296
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:49,959
Speaker 1: Light Company.

1297
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 2: I didn't get a chance to watch a video.

1298
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: What trash friend you are?

1299
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Speaker 2: Okay, well I watched it. There's only one person I

1300
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 2: have telegram for you.

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00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: Don't even use that anymore. Don't lie that I don't

1302
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: accuse it.

1303
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 2: That's why I missed your messages. But AnyWho, So wait,

1304
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 2: so this light phone was it good or bad?

1305
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: The light Phone three was a very well it was

1306
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: a very seven out of ten experience because it was

1307
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: basically half unfinished when I was covering it.

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00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 2: What does it do?

1309
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: Exact very little. It does lets you do phone calls,

1310
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: text messages, and then a handful of apps that are

1311
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 1: meant to keep you as disconnected as possible. You have maps,

1312
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,280
Speaker 1: you will never have email, you will never have social media,

1313
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: you will not have a web browser. But like things

1314
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: to get you from point A to point B except

1315
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: right now. No payments, no lift, no Uber, none of

1316
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: that stuff. So it made life very difficult. I tried

1317
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,479
Speaker 1: it for two weeks. I found I had to carry

1318
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: an iPad many along with me, which the light phone

1319
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: does generate a hotspot, so you can use that's cool,

1320
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 1: like you know, if you want to pop up on

1321
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: a laptop. I really enjoyed experimenting with that lifestyle again

1322
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: of reverting to the late nineties when we had to

1323
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: decide to be online, yeah, and then decide to be offline.

1324
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 2: Well, I decided to be online all the time, it's

1325
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 2: not really sure. Well for all of us, Yeah, sometimess

1326
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 2: this thing is it? What kind of screen? Is it?

1327
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:11,720
Speaker 2: Like a black and white screen?

1328
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: So that is it's in my opinion, it's shining achievement,

1329
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: Like this is an un remarkable piece of hardware. I

1330
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: love picking it up. It is like if you blue

1331
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: up an Apple watch to you know, by four exercise

1332
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: and made it out of black metal and glass and

1333
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: put a knob on the side to control your brightness.

1334
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: And the screen is black and white, but it has

1335
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,280
Speaker 1: this diffusion filter on it. It does have a camera

1336
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: with a nice chunky duel stage shutter button.

1337
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay camera though, it's.

1338
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: Actually better than I expected to be honest, But it's

1339
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 1: black and white. Sorry. The display is O lead, so

1340
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: it is a black and white interface and when you

1341
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: fire the camera, it activates the color O lead.

1342
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 2: This thing so cool? Yeah yeah, but also it's like

1343
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 2: the opposite of what I want, is it. I'm I'm abnormal.

1344
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 2: I need to be I love I love being connected always,

1345
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 2: but I am like a problem.

1346
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: Try it. Try it. The second weekend, I was like,

1347
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: I get it. I get people who like talk about

1348
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: presence and intentionality. I hadn't gotten it.

1349
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:08,760
Speaker 2: But I also have to steal wool of the Buddha.

1350
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 2: If I need to focus on people, I can just

1351
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 2: not look at my phone. Yeah.

1352
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: Well, and I think that's what's it like to have restraint.

1353
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, unfamiliar with.

1354
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 3: I think this is the thing we see though from

1355
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 3: American gadgets. There's a lot of the American gadgets are

1356
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 3: about disconnecting. They're about taking a step back, and as

1357
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 3: we all look at our.

1358
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: Phones, I was, but that is the minimum.

1359
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 3: Yes, you know, it's about how do we disconnect from Google?

1360
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 3: How do we disconnect from our corporate overlords, how do

1361
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 3: we disconnect from social media? Those are the things driving

1362
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 3: a lot of American ingenuity and gadgets, which is like cool,

1363
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 3: but culturally like a where are we as a culture?

1364
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 2: The driving point I also understand, Like that is cool,

1365
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 2: but it's also sad, Yeah, because it's very I get

1366
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 2: the sense the other countries and they look at technology,

1367
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 2: they see like oh like regular people like, oh, what

1368
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 2: could it do for me next? And that one's like

1369
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:01,919
Speaker 2: there is a fucking way that I could stop using

1370
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 2: versus like kit in the top list from bi business Side,

1371
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 2: a few years ago. I think this thing is like,

1372
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 2: I love my phone. Stop trying to get me off

1373
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 2: my phone. YEA, make my phone better. And I kind

1374
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 2: of subscribe to that. And I know I'm a freak

1375
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 2: for like liking the phone and being online and all

1376
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 2: the time. But nevertheless, it's like the sense of I

1377
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 2: want to get away from big tech. I want to

1378
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 2: get away from my phone. I wanted to do all this.

1379
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 2: It's very sad, and also they're clearly building towards it

1380
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 2: by making oh, we'll just control the shit for you. You

1381
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 2: have no control, you have no industry over this.

1382
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: So there's a flip side to this, and then I'm

1383
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: gonna stop talking about phones. There's another philosophical approach done

1384
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: by a company called the Minimal Company, the Minimal Phone. Now,

1385
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: they are much smaller than Light They're also have some

1386
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: problems fulfilling orders. I think their customer service whatever. But

1387
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: their phone is a good idea because the phone it

1388
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: does the opposite of the lightphone. It gives you all

1389
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: the apps you want, but the display is in ink,

1390
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: so you don't want to use any of them, but

1391
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: you can if you need to, like Uber, which I

1392
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: needed a billion times on the lightphone or didn't have

1393
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: it as right. Stuff that was really really cool. The

1394
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: minimal phone idea is a very cool one, and I'm

1395
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: a nerd for this, but they put a quardy keyboard

1396
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: on there, which I also like.

1397
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, that's just cool.

1398
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 5: Tcls making a phone, well, they made a phone last year.

1399
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 5: That's their NXPT paper phone that you can't get in

1400
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 5: the US. Yeah, and you can like swap it between

1401
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 5: a fake like e paper screen and to a Yeah

1402
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 5: it's not it's not actually the paper, I know, but

1403
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 5: it looks it has like a kind of like you know,

1404
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 5: sheene to it that makes it look less.

1405
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 2: Or you can just.

1406
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 3: Go and spend ten dollars on a Matt glass for

1407
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:37,959
Speaker 3: your phone. That's that's what I did because I looked

1408
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 3: at that stuff and I was like, oh, this is cool.

1409
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 3: I'll just put matt glass on my phone and I

1410
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 3: get the exact same experience.

1411
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: I should I would stop talking about phones, but you

1412
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: just made me think of another one.

1413
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 2: My podcast talk about the phone. I don't ca.

1414
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: Fair Phone six.

1415
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 2: What is this?

1416
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 1: I have not paid attention to Fairphone almost at all

1417
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: because it's been about repair ability, right, which is important.

1418
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: But I don't really care about it, So okay, uh

1419
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 1: fairphone has a big neon green switch on the side,

1420
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: and when you flip it down, it turns from a

1421
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: regular Android phone into a dumb phone. And I like

1422
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: that physical trigger because yeah, you can do it with

1423
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: the custom launcher. Yeah, you can do it through umpteen

1424
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: software options. But having a switch seems to suggest more

1425
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: intentionality is required of you. Well, and switching out of

1426
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: it it feels like more friction, a little more for.

1427
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 3: It's a little more friction, but it's also less friction

1428
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 3: in the setup, right, Like true, Yeah, because if you

1429
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 3: know you can do that with an iPhone, you were

1430
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 3: going to spend a very long time digging around with

1431
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 3: your iPhone to get.

1432
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 2: To that point. Yes, I think a lot of these

1433
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 2: problems come down to the fact that just notifications have

1434
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 2: become an invasion of our privacy. That when you look

1435
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:44,439
Speaker 2: at your phone, it will be like, hey, it's Etsy again. Yeah,

1436
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 2: you bought one thing seven years ago. You didn't delete

1437
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 2: this app. Do you want to look at Flowers?

1438
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1439
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 2: And you just like leave me the fuck alone and

1440
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 2: and apples just like we don't give a fuck.

1441
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 3: And New York Times used to do breaking news for everything.

1442
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 3: They just like every damn thing. They'd be like, you know,

1443
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 3: Beyonce is going to be in New York? Great? Why

1444
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 3: is that you.

1445
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 2: Can't fix this as well? With the phone. It's the companies.

1446
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 2: They've made it worse, and they make it worse every day.

1447
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 3: And we'll give you.

1448
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: You have to do way too much work to do it.

1449
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: To your point, you have to do way too much tweaking.

1450
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 2: You can't tweak the notifications.

1451
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: Well if you have an Android phone, if you can.

1452
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the thing where my message on a

1453
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 2: fucking Android.

1454
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 3: You want to be able to go to your phone

1455
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 3: and just say fix it. And Google keeps promising that

1456
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 3: and have they delivered?

1457
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 4: I mean speaking of the fair phone.

1458
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 5: Like, there's a Framework is making really cool laptop. I

1459
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 5: was just thinking, I really really like Framework and like

1460
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 5: I don't. Framework's laptop where all you kind of have

1461
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 5: to do is like you get a bunch of the

1462
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 5: parts and you slot slot in the SSD, you slot

1463
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 5: in the RAM and you kind of put the screen

1464
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 5: bezels on and then you put the keyboard on.

1465
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 4: You screw everything in. It's like, oh it's a laptop now,

1466
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 4: you you built it.

1467
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 5: I mean it's it's fun because the company makes it

1468
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 5: really easy to do, so you make yeah. Yeah, it's

1469
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 5: like you make yourself feel smart even though they literally

1470
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 5: put everything out there for you and you just did it.

1471
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 5: But it also means you can repair it, YadA, YadA YadA.

1472
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 4: But I like, yeah, you can upgrade it.

1473
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 5: I like the feeling of like ownership, because half the

1474
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 5: problem with ownership is that I don't feel like I

1475
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 5: actually owned the thing. I bought the thing, and they're

1476
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 5: managing my life for me. They're putting all the software

1477
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 5: on it that I don't want. They're putting this program.

1478
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 2: Change how you use it with UX updates.

1479
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly.

1480
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 5: So I want to own the thing by like controlling

1481
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 5: what goes into it. And I feel like I want

1482
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 5: more products that have that ability to just like I

1483
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 5: can just control the hardware at least if not the software.

1484
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 5: Like if I could control both, I'd be in a

1485
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 5: happy place. I'm more nerdy. But imagine if like every

1486
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 5: laptop had that ability to just like take off the

1487
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 5: back and like just swap things around.

1488
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 3: But you're seeing that in gaming laptops for a long time.

1489
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 3: When the framework came along, right.

1490
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 2: Like a few of them you can still swoop around.

1491
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, some of them, although some of them are

1492
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 5: more soldered on, like some of the smaller fourteen inches

1493
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:00,040
Speaker 5: are we still kind of.

1494
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 3: One of the tricks here is just for for laptops,

1495
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 3: order the business laptops because they usually have much more

1496
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 3: upgradeability because the big companies are like, no, we're not

1497
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 3: going to pay you that much for RAM. We will

1498
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 3: replace the RAM ourselves, or you will die and never

1499
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 3: get our business, and so they fix it for them,

1500
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 3: Like that's why you see that from Dell and Lenovo others.

1501
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: On the build your own stuff Kyle, do you follow

1502
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: the or does anybody follow the cyber deck building community?

1503
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 2: Oh?

1504
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is I have a blast if you if

1505
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 1: you want to have a gadget, you know binge, I

1506
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: would say just google cyber deck builds on YouTube.

1507
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 3: It's basically people are trying to like relive the Neuromancer

1508
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 3: book and they're just building cyber decks for there.

1509
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 2: Is a cyber deck.

1510
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1511
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 3: All right, you don't know William Gibson so.

1512
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Speaker 5: Narrowmancer kind of like that whole cyberpunk era aesthetic, the

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Speaker 5: high idea of but like cyber deck, it's like you

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Speaker 5: literally plug into the internet. You know, you have this

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Speaker 5: this deck that you and you sit down in a

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Speaker 5: chair and you plug yourself in and you're literally a

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Speaker 5: body and it's like the whole like idea of a

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Speaker 5: metaverse kind of stems from this, except it's.

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Speaker 4: A lot more grungy and a lot more punk.

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Speaker 1: Right, So the deck itself is like part of it

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Speaker 1: is like it's personalized to you, right, like you build

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Speaker 1: it yourself, so a lot it takes the form in

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Speaker 1: modern day with what we can do of like little laptops,

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Speaker 1: like kind of like the GVD stuff, right, except.

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Speaker 2: What is the functionality of a cyber deck though?

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Speaker 4: What's it meant in modern day? It's just basically with

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Speaker 4: a little laptop, it's just to be cool.

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Speaker 5: But the idea is that you're doing it yourself and

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Speaker 5: it's your own and you're making it like I mean,

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Speaker 5: I don't know, like are they are they using like raspberry.

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Speaker 1: Pies, like stuff built in a raspberry pie or something

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Speaker 1: like that. But if you want functionality, the the meshtastic

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Speaker 1: is another good thing to look fantastic. That is, like

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Speaker 1: these little pocket terminals that are being built around what

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Speaker 1: I had to look it up. An ESP thirty two

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Speaker 1: system on a chip, which enables a lot of cool stuff.

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Speaker 1: And a meshtastic network is like node to node. You're

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Speaker 1: not on the Internet necessarily, Like each phone or each

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Speaker 1: terminal is its own is a node. So what did

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Speaker 1: Jack Dorsey just dropped an app for this?

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Speaker 2: God? I mean if chat, he's dropped several Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: dropped a lot of things.

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Speaker 1: But that's an app for the iPhone. And like if

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Speaker 1: we all had Bitchat, we could talk to text each

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Speaker 1: other without connecting to the Internet. Like it's a direct

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Speaker 1: peer to peer.

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Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 1: And the meshtastic like there's a lot of handheld hardware.

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Speaker 1: They all look like blackberries that are all really cool.

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Speaker 1: They're a little mini cyber deecks And it's just to

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Speaker 1: utilize that network. And you again, you can build your

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Speaker 1: own a lot of the time if you're more skilled

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Speaker 1: than I am.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to wrap it here and I want

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Speaker 2: to end with a message though, everyone should go and

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Speaker 2: support Steve Burke of games Nexus, who Bloomberg is being

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Speaker 2: fucking him up by doing bullshit. YouTube DMCA is coming

1558
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 2: on the show next week. This is a ridiculous situation.

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01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 2: Bloomberg should be fucking ashamed of themselves, the legal department,

1560
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 2: and everyone involved the journalists set, including at Bloomberg, should

1561
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 2: see this as an offense against journalism and not giving

1562
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 2: him support is tantamount to not having solidarity with your peers.

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Speaker 2: Steve is doing some of the best work out there,

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Speaker 2: and I realize it's kind of a grim thing. But

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Speaker 2: one of the reasons I love all three of you

1566
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 2: is you, really, in the same way as Steve, get

1567
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 2: into this stuff and actually know it and love it

1568
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 2: and are excited about it. And I think that that

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Speaker 2: is a dying art within journalism, especially within tech. And

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Speaker 2: I hope everyone's enjoyed this episode because I certainly fucking

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Speaker 2: have so much. It's nice to talk about stuff and like, sure,

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01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 2: there's bad things going on and it can be kind

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01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 2: of grim out there, but there's still people making dorky

1574
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 2: little innovations out there, and it's worth remembering that the

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01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 2: tech industry is not all bad, which does not mean

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Speaker 2: that AI doesn't fucking suck. Bing Bong Michael, Where can

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Speaker 2: people find you?

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Speaker 1: They can find me on YouTube at the Mister Mobile,

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Speaker 3: Most places, Alex H. Krans Blue Sky Threads all those places.

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Speaker 5: And Kyle you can go to goodsmoto dot com and

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