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Speaker 1: Also the challenge that awaits Will Johnson and Denzel Burke.

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Speaker 1: But first, the latest on Buddha Baker. It's Cardinals Cover two,

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Speaker 1: episode nine sixty three, and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 1: Budda Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of

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Speaker 1: Right at the five hit the ends up for the

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Speaker 3: Here's Craig Grielo.

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Speaker 1: So it is our Christmas gift to the Bird Gang

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Speaker 1: here on Cardinals cover two, to have at Cards Chatter

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Speaker 3: I like how you paint that, Craig. The real thing

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you pulling the curtain all the way back on that.

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Speaker 3: That's how the sausage is made around here, Craig.

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Speaker 1: You bring up the trip to Cincinnati. We'll figure out.

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Speaker 1: You can't have Trey, Michael and Marvin b shutdown or

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't mind having thirty two next to my name

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Speaker 3: at this point because right now I got a fifty

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Speaker 3: five and I would rather be back to thirty two.

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Speaker 1: That's fair. Okay, you are the old guy, the og

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Speaker 1: here in the.

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Speaker 3: Building, or did you just bring that back full circle?

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Speaker 1: I tried to before we let you get back to

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Speaker 1: your Christmas shopping. Though I think you're done. It's Paul

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Speaker 1: that's still trying to figure out things right.

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Speaker 3: Well, recording this on Christmas Eve, Craig if you're not

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Speaker 3: done at this point. You are s L.

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Speaker 1: There was an interesting roster move on Tuesday. The Cardinals

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Speaker 1: signed kicker Joshua Carty off the Rams practice squad, someone

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Speaker 1: who has played twenty five games over his career. He

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Speaker 1: was released by the Rams re signed to the practice squad.

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Speaker 1: But you sign a player off another team's practice squad,

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Speaker 1: that means they're on the active roster for the final

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Speaker 1: two games. But you have two kickers now on your

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Speaker 1: active roster. Chad lot Ryland remains on the roster. Asked

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Speaker 1: about it on Wednesday, JG just said it gives us options.

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Speaker 1: There was no follow up to say what options those

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Speaker 1: might be. So that's why we have you here, Darren.

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Speaker 1: What are the options that the Cardinals have with two

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Speaker 1: kickers being active?

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Speaker 3: Potentially?

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't think they'd be active on game day? Can

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Speaker 1: you have two kickers?

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Speaker 3: You can't?

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Speaker 1: I mean you can.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's not very smart, but having two kickers on the

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Speaker 1: fifth D three is a little bit unusual for me.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if this is a question of, hey,

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Speaker 3: we'll get Cardy in here one week and see what

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Speaker 3: he can do. Now, when you signed somebody off the

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Speaker 3: practice squad somewhere. He's here, So you know, I think

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Speaker 3: Chad Ryland is going to be restricted free agent after

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Speaker 3: the season, so that he would have to get a

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Speaker 3: new contract. But again, I know there's two games left.

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Speaker 3: Some of this is roster building for the offseason when

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Speaker 3: you build your ninety man roster, and obviously Chad Ryland

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Speaker 3: has not been as consistent as he had been last year.

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Speaker 3: Maybe that's concerned. Maybe you want to make sure, maybe

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Speaker 3: you're hedging your bets if Ryland leaves, or you don't

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Speaker 3: want to bring them back, or maybe you just want

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Speaker 3: to have two kickers on your roster this offseason, and

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Speaker 3: you're going to try and bring Ryland back, and these

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Speaker 3: will be the two guys that are battling to be

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Speaker 3: your kicker next year. It's never too early to think

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Speaker 3: about the future, Craig, and I think that's unless you're

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Speaker 3: the head coat. And here's the other thing. If you

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Speaker 3: have a guy on your practice.

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Speaker 1: Squad, I'm glad you're bringing this up because that's I

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Speaker 1: think this is this is important distinction because I think

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Speaker 1: you're gonna see this not only this week but next

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Speaker 1: week as well, and not just with the Cardinals, but across.

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Speaker 3: The league if you have if you have a guy

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Speaker 3: on the practice squad when your season ends, which in

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Speaker 3: this case for the Cardinals will be after they play

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Speaker 3: the Rams a week from Sunday, all those guys are

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Speaker 3: free agents, so they can go anywhere they want. If

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Speaker 3: you have a guy under contract, even if he's supposed

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Speaker 3: to be a free agent in March, like Chad Ryland,

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Speaker 3: he can't go anywhere before free agency in March, so

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Speaker 3: you have some time to keep them around or whatever.

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Speaker 3: So at this point, getting guys on your roster as

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Speaker 3: opposed to the practice squad to lock them up for

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Speaker 3: the off season, or at least have a chance to

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Speaker 3: have lock them up for the off season becomes important

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Speaker 3: for certain people so that you don't lose them now.

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Speaker 3: I have no doubt that within a couple of days

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Speaker 3: after the end of the season, the Cardinals will sign

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Speaker 3: a handful of their practice squad guys to futures deals,

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Speaker 3: which basically means they're signing a piece of paper saying

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Speaker 3: they won't go anywhere else and when the new league

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Speaker 3: years starts in March, they have a contract in place.

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Speaker 3: That's what futures deals means. But you could lose other guys,

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Speaker 3: which so if you have a guy you absolutely want

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Speaker 3: to make sure you have around, let's say again a

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Speaker 3: josh Joshua Carty as one of your kicker possibilities, you

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Speaker 3: put them on the active roster and you wing it

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Speaker 3: a little bit, and the inactives might be a little

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Speaker 3: odd the last couple weeks and all that stuff, but

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Speaker 3: you make sure that you put yourself in a place

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Speaker 3: to have guys that you want.

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Speaker 1: The roster building for twenty twenty six for teams that

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Speaker 1: are not in the playoff picture or making the postseason

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Speaker 1: begins late in twenty twenty five, as far as fifty

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Speaker 1: three men. Now, if you're a player, getting signed to

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Speaker 1: the active roster week five, week six, week seven sounds

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Speaker 1: great because obviously the paycheck. But as you get towards

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Speaker 1: the end of the season, if you're a player, would

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Speaker 1: you prefer to be that free agents or would you

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Speaker 1: prefer that one game check and then potentially knowing what

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Speaker 1: your future is at least foreseeable future or the uncertainty,

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Speaker 1: but the freedom that comes with being out there on

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Speaker 1: the street for January for the potential of a playoff

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Speaker 1: team picking you.

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Speaker 3: I think if you are the vast majority of this league.

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Speaker 3: You want the uncertainty. You want to know somebody wants

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Speaker 3: you for a job, that you have a chance or job,

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Speaker 3: because if you're on the street somebody, there might not

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Speaker 3: be anybody who wants you. So I don't think there's

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Speaker 3: any d The paycheck's not nothing. I mean, you're even

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Speaker 3: at the minimum salaries. You're doubling what you're making. Like

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Speaker 3: Josh Carty was just on the RAMS practice squad. He

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Speaker 3: just doubled his money for the next two weeks. That's

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Speaker 3: a pretty significant amount of money when you're talking about

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Speaker 3: these salaries.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, I can double my sound the next two weeks, boss.

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Speaker 3: Not for me.

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Speaker 1: Hey, well, you know you're gonna try.

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Speaker 3: You're the one bringing up that they might not want it.

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Speaker 3: You crazy man.

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Speaker 1: I'm okay, Well that's this is real life, you and

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Speaker 1: I and then there's sports life, and you know that's it.

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Speaker 1: I understand.

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Speaker 3: This isn't This isn't like you're You're You're like some

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Speaker 3: You're Daniel Jones, and you know there's gonna be a market.

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Speaker 3: This is the vast majority of these guys who don't

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Speaker 3: know if they're gonna have jobs or not, and they're

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Speaker 3: gonna have to fight to even be on a roster next.

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Speaker 1: Year, and I'm my guess there'll be some guys out

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Speaker 1: there and not with Cardinals. But that would if you

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Speaker 1: feel that confident in your own ability that Okay, let

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Speaker 1: me see, I want my I want the freedom to

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Speaker 1: choose as opposed to it being chosen for me.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is a perfect example for someone that I

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Speaker 1: think would prefer to have that talking about last season,

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Speaker 1: that freedom. Now, how many Daniel Jones are out there,

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Speaker 1: that's that's a that's another discussion.

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Speaker 3: As far as let's put it this way. The two

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Speaker 3: guys the Cardinals signed off the practice squads this week,

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Speaker 3: Joshua Cardi, the kicker and Kaylen King, the cornerback. They

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Speaker 3: could have said no. They could have said no, I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna stay here on the Rams practice squad. I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: stay here on the Panthers practice squad. They could have

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Speaker 3: done that and then your way and potentially been in

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Speaker 3: the playoffs with those teams.

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Speaker 1: But then you just mentioned it's the game checks you

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Speaker 1: weigh that as opposed to HM.

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Speaker 3: Do I want whatever it is twenty five thirty thousand

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Speaker 3: dollars this week, or do I want one hundred thousand

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Speaker 3: dollars this week? I wonder I'll take the latter. There's

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Speaker 3: still human beings. I know it's the sports world, but

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Speaker 3: goodness gracious, there's no chance of a dollar dollar bills,

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Speaker 3: y'all clip that there no that you were talking over it. Sorry, Craig,

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Speaker 3: So you got.

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Speaker 1: Your you got You're all done with the holidays.

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Speaker 3: Right, I'm all done with you. I can tell you

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Speaker 3: that right now. You are the Gride. You don't know that.

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Speaker 3: You don't know that.

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Speaker 1: Christmas Winter. That's who you are. That's that's Darren Herman right.

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Speaker 3: There, aren't you? Because I was the only one.

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Speaker 1: Available, someone said, yes, that's all that matters, all right, Darren,

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Speaker 1: get out of here's bothering me. On that notes, we

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Speaker 1: will put a lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover

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Speaker 1: two presented by a Hyundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: As always, special thanks to our executive producer Jim Momure

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Speaker 1: our associate producer Coddy Fincher for Darren Urban for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: we brought him in, but we did no last words. Darren.

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Speaker 3: You'll miss me when I'm gone.

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Speaker 1: Maybe not. I'm Craig Reel, we'll talk to you next

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Speaker 1: time here on Cardinals cover two. Merry Christmas, everyone,