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Speaker 1: Hey, what is up everybody? Welcome to the Guiltyest Charge Podcast,

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Speaker 1: presented by the Chargers Podcast Network. My name is Stephen

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Speaker 1: and I am the host as always, and joining me

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Speaker 1: is my guy Tyler. Tyler, what's up, Han? How are

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Speaker 1: you doing this afternoon? You know?

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Speaker 2: Two and four Chargers not so great?

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Speaker 3: Getting e J.

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Speaker 2: Snyder and Brett Coleman on the podcast. Bertie darn good,

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to see Coat to show you guys

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Speaker 2: what they had to say. You know, rarely do you

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Speaker 2: get to have a bucket list person show up on

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Speaker 2: the show and you get to interview them. We got

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Speaker 2: both of them, so I'm excited to share.

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Speaker 1: That with you guys. Yeah, definitely, super excited to get

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Speaker 1: this one out to you. Guys. We know that things

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Speaker 1: are are rough right now. We know we hear the frustration.

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Speaker 1: We share a lot of the frustration. So we decided

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Speaker 1: to see if we could bring out the big guns

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Speaker 1: today and thankfully we were able to do that. So obviously,

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Speaker 1: you guys know Brett Coleman so far. If you watch

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Speaker 1: this channel, hopefully you know EJ as well if you

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Speaker 1: consume any of their content. So they've greatly influenced our

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Speaker 1: own podcast and certainly on this channel, as we've kind

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Speaker 1: of tried to figure out the best way to talk

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Speaker 1: about the Chargers on this channel, and so we've definitely

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Speaker 1: stolen some ideas from them and had a great conversation

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Speaker 1: with them about the truth of the Chargers, the truth

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Speaker 1: of the Bears. They were huge on Too Lee. They

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Speaker 1: were by far the first ones to talk about Too

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Speaker 1: Lee leading up to the draft, so of course had

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Speaker 1: to pick their brains there, and like Tyler said, hopefully

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Speaker 1: you guys enjoy this conversation today. So as always, Tyler

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Speaker 1: and I are fans of the team just like you

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Speaker 1: guys are. The opinions that we express on this show

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Speaker 1: and every show on this channel are just that they

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Speaker 1: are opinions. They are not the opinions of the Chargers organization.

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Speaker 1: We are very grateful to have this platform and they

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Speaker 1: are gracious enough to host us on this platform. So

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Speaker 1: that's that's that, that's business. So the interview did go

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Speaker 1: a little bit longer than initially planned. We were tied

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Speaker 1: on we're gonna jump back in here after the interview

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Speaker 1: and have some thoughts, So we're just gonna do that now.

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Speaker 1: Tyler biggest takeaway from the interview with with EJ and Brett.

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Speaker 1: Before we get to the interview and then and the

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Speaker 2: Another Tuley thing that we can talk about the eleven

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Speaker 2: press coverage snaps for Tuley that EJ mentioned within the interview.

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Speaker 2: I mean, come on, man, like, what can't this guy do?

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Speaker 2: Because of course, like the guy who played noseguard a

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Speaker 2: some detackle you name, it is also really good at

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Speaker 2: edge and sending over a guard and impress coverage and

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Speaker 2: against the run, against your tight end, against your tackle,

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Speaker 2: against your guard. I mean, the dude is just phenomenal,

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Speaker 2: Like and what can he do? But any Yeah, both

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Speaker 2: these guys awesome. And then being high on Tuley of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it only makes sense. So again, certainly, well the

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Speaker 1: follow during draft season, my biggest takeaway is kind of

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Speaker 1: what we've talked about. You know, the Chargers defense and

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Speaker 1: their structure right now has to change this week or

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be another long day for the Chargers secondary.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into all of that with Brett and EJ.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into all the two Ley stuff. Hopefully, you

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Speaker 1: guys enjoy it. We certainly had a great time speaking

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Speaker 1: with those gentlemen and obviously wish them a great success

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Speaker 1: on their own show. That being said, here is the

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Speaker 1: conversation with Brett and EJ. And that will do it

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Speaker 1: for our episode. We greatly appreciate you guys checking us out.

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Speaker 1: Make sure subscribe like all that good stuff and enjoy

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Speaker 1: the interview. We'll talk to you later. All right, guys,

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Speaker 1: we are so happy now to be joined by the

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Speaker 1: Bootleg Football guys, mister Brett Coleman and EJ. Snyder. Very

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Speaker 1: fortunate that this game happened to be this week being

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Speaker 1: Chargers and Bears. So obviously by now you know Brett

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Speaker 1: doing some great work on the Chargers channel, and if

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Speaker 1: you know that EJ is a very big Bears fan.

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Speaker 1: So fellas we appreciate the time today. E J will

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Speaker 1: start with you, man, how are you doing this afternoon?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great.

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Speaker 4: I got to pull out my Bootleg Chargers shirt, which

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Speaker 4: I secretly love because my hot take that everybody hates.

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Speaker 4: And we'll point all the swords at me for is

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Speaker 5: Best uniform in the NFL. Like I love that color copy.

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Speaker 6: It's the Powders man, you know, not for me.

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Speaker 1: Hey, we can spend all day long talking about uniform

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Speaker 1: EJ Man. I love the Navies, and I hope one

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Speaker 1: day we'll see the alternate Navy helmet. Come back, Brett,

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Speaker 1: thanks for coming back man. You're doing great work on

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Speaker 1: the channel, like I said, and excited to pick your

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Speaker 3: I'm doing good.

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Speaker 7: I'm genuinely looking for forward to the game on Sunday.

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Speaker 7: I know there's been some frustrating moments this season.

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Speaker 3: But EJ cover years.

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Speaker 7: If there was ever an opportunity for a get right game,

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Speaker 7: I think it's this Sunday, and I expect good things.

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Speaker 4: You're not the first to call you that, so it's okay.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's good to hear. Hopefully, that it does come

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Speaker 1: to fruition. Well, we'll preview some of the game, but

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Speaker 1: first and foremost, you guys do great work and we're

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Speaker 1: sincerely very grateful for your time today. One of the

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Speaker 1: gold standards in the content production right now, and you

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Speaker 1: guys have certainly influenced Tyler and I and the way

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Speaker 1: we've done our own podcast. So very very grateful to

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Speaker 2: Influencers Stole and I think we took the five truth

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Speaker 2: of flattery, I think.

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Speaker 5: Right absolutely percent.

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Speaker 3: We'll give you license. It's all good, Happy to help,

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: It's a great segment because it really allows us to

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Speaker 1: film and data are the best way to do that.

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Speaker 1: start with you today. You've had obviously six games worth

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Speaker 1: You did great work from the Kellen More perspective when

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Speaker 1: the Chargers made that move. Now that we have six

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Speaker 7: Oh man, My biggest truth is they're more balanced than

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Speaker 6: I think there's a lot of there's a lot of run.

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Speaker 7: Games in the NFL that feel a little bit one

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Speaker 7: don't really touch anything else. But I've seen the Chargers

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Speaker 7: It's it's been really a pleasure to watch, like a

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Speaker 6: And I think I think going forward, we still haven't

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Speaker 7: You know, losing Mike definitely hurts, But as QJ comes

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Speaker 6: The run game is a big reason why.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, regardless of how the Chargers perform on offense, I

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Speaker 1: Exactly the passing day.

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Speaker 2: How do they get to that next level? What is

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Speaker 4: Let you start, Ejay, Well, it leads right into my truth,

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Speaker 4: so I'll just I'll lead off with that because it

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Speaker 4: dovetails perfectly. Couldn't have got a better transition. Chargers are

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Speaker 4: not going to do it until Kellen finds the plays

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Speaker 4: that Justin can hit consistently. And consistently is the big

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Speaker 4: you know, escapism down the field. We know he's got

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Speaker 4: run play two. You're good at play two. Run play two,

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Speaker 4: too many drives die out because they just haven't hit

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Speaker 7: I feel like the Vikings game we saw that and

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Speaker 3: As EJ said, do do more of that.

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Speaker 7: And I kind of feel like that's what what they

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Speaker 7: more that with Quinton, just because the more you get

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Speaker 7: And once they do that, it's gonna open up everything else,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree there.

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Speaker 3: EJ. Why do you.

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Speaker 2: Think they haven't quite gone to that with Quentin Johnson yet,

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 4: If you want to pull that average depth of target down,

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Speaker 4: We're all saying the same thing that he has a

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Speaker 4: You have that, and it would work really well to

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Speaker 5: So the idea that they have this superpower drafted.

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Speaker 5: We need that in our offense. We'll draft him up high.

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Speaker 4: This is a primary draft pick, and it would help

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Speaker 4: I don't I don't understand that choice schematically, and I

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Speaker 4: scheming quarterback touches. You need to scheme Quentin Johnson a

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Speaker 5: Pick one every quarter.

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Speaker 5: We're going to see those explosives.

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Speaker 4: He has that skill set, it's proven and they just

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Speaker 2: Alrighty, let's pivot to the Bears now, because I rarely

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Speaker 1: I rarely watch the Bears.

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Speaker 2: It's basically an every four years sort of thing.

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Speaker 5: I understand why.

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Speaker 6: You're not missing much.

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Speaker 3: Don't worry.

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Speaker 7: have passed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they were big fans of Darnell Wright on on

441
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Speaker 1: our podcast, but you know, going as high as he went,

442
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Speaker 1: I think we'll see e J. What are you What

443
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Speaker 1: are your thoughts on Darnell so far and what he's

444
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Speaker 1: been able to do. I know Braxton Jones is also heard,

445
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 1: which probably doesn't like help matters there, but what are

446
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Speaker 1: you seeing from Darnell Wright on a week to week basis?

447
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 4: Darnell Wright is improving every week and he's had really

448
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,399
Speaker 4: good plays. He hasn't hit a level of consistency yet,

449
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 4: but he is a rookie. And what he did in

450
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 4: the Raiders game was an absolutely sort of lunch pale,

451
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Speaker 4: gritty performance. And in the second half he couldn't use

452
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Speaker 4: his left arm. Like if you go back to the

453
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Speaker 4: All twenty two, he's literally hanging his left arm off

454
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Speaker 4: the side.

455
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Speaker 1: Wow.

456
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Speaker 4: And he's handling Max Crosby, the best edg dresher in

457
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Speaker 4: the NFL, not taking any questions at this time with

458
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Speaker 4: one hand, all right, Like he's rerouting Max Crosby with

459
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Speaker 4: his right arm, and that's it. He's okie dokin linebackers

460
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Speaker 4: with one arm, getting out in run pro and just

461
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Speaker 4: stuffing people with one arm.

462
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Speaker 5: He's a great player. He has not achieved a great

463
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Speaker 5: level of play yet. The injury is concerning.

464
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Speaker 4: We'll see if he's you know, full go this week

465
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Speaker 4: or not. But to be able to do that against

466
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Speaker 4: really quality players when you are clearly i'm just gonna

467
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Speaker 4: say it in like not hurt, injured, you can't move

468
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Speaker 4: your arm was super duper impressive.

469
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Speaker 5: And again to see him.

470
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Speaker 4: Paired with a guard next to him with a lot

471
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Speaker 4: of power. Tevin moved over to the right side last

472
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Speaker 4: week for the first time. Nate's been in and out

473
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Speaker 4: as a right guard, and they've been just a rotating

474
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Speaker 4: cast of characters in.

475
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Speaker 5: The offensive line. That's just been a problem sort of

476
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Speaker 5: beginning to end.

477
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Speaker 4: But it was a little glimpse of what the Bears

478
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Speaker 4: thought they had in their offensive line in terms of

479
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Speaker 4: their preseason lineup before injuries struck, and they did amazingly well.

480
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Speaker 4: When they ran to the right side against the Raiders,

481
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 4: they had thirteen carries for eighty one yards six point

482
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Speaker 4: two per attempt, and again, Darnold Wright didn't have his

483
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Speaker 4: left arm for the second half, so that includes those

484
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Speaker 4: numbers nine first downs.

485
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Speaker 5: When they went to the other.

486
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Speaker 4: Side, Cody White, Aaron Larry Borum not so much, seventeen

487
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Speaker 4: carries for fifty six yards, three point three per attempt

488
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Speaker 4: and two first downs. Now those stats are credit it

489
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Speaker 4: to our buddy Bill Zimmerman. But when they went right

490
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Speaker 4: against the Raiders, they made hey behind that right side,

491
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Speaker 4: and it's a it's a sort of glimpse of hope.

492
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Speaker 5: It is not the whole thing.

493
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Speaker 4: Darnell Wright is not a finished player, but a little

494
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Speaker 4: bit of like the Bears going, yeah, this is what

495
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Speaker 4: we thought we were gonna get. Look at that, and

496
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 4: just those two powerhouses on the right side beating people up.

497
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Speaker 4: If it was me, I would keep them there. I

498
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Speaker 4: would rotate whoever else we need on the rest and

499
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Speaker 4: just keep Tevin and Darnell as the young stalwarts and

500
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Speaker 4: have them go beat the hell out of people because

501
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Speaker 4: they're both really capable of that.

502
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Speaker 1: Well's I think it's a lot of fun.

503
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Speaker 7: Tevin, honestly like Tevin, Tevin for me was the difference

504
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 7: maker because, especially when they were running all his own stuff,

505
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 7: because Darnell only had one arm, Like you saw Tevin

506
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 7: literally crack people in the ribs and shove them outside

507
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 7: where it's like, all right now you got them, darn

508
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 7: Like Tvin, Tevin was very conscious of what Darnell could

509
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Speaker 7: have couldn't do, and I think he played a whale

510
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Speaker 7: of a game at right guard. And I I do

511
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,239
Speaker 7: think that on some level, And I can't remember if

512
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 7: it was during the show or not when EJ I

513
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 7: mentioned there was like the vast majority of Beajen's passes

514
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 7: where eight yards or less. I think a lot of

515
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 7: it was because they knew that if they had to

516
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 7: hold out of the ball longer to go down the field,

517
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 7: they probably weren't going to hold up in pass protection overall.

518
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 7: But boy, they could really run the ball.

519
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 2: Well, all go out now, you're good, go after it

520
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 2: kind of bowl, you know, Max Crosby, Darnell Riot, Tevin Jenkins.

521
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Speaker 2: That's not a bad set of matchups to watch there.

522
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Speaker 2: I do have to ask about then, about Tyson Badgen.

523
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Speaker 2: What were the expectations going into this game? Was it

524
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Speaker 2: just a range of expectations. Did you expect two point

525
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 2: five yards as your average depth of target? And why

526
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 2: was that so successful for them? Because the Raiders they

527
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 2: couldn't stop it.

528
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Speaker 6: I can't speak for each again, EAJ and I have

529
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 6: not compared.

530
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 7: Notes before this appearance whatsoever, so each is always far

531
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Speaker 7: with me on this.

532
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 3: That is exactly what I expected.

533
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Speaker 6: It worked, But that is exactly what I.

534
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 7: Expected, just based on what we've seen from Tyson. Tyson

535
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 7: as a player in preseason as as well as a shepherd.

536
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 7: Because e J and I are degenerates and did have shephard,

537
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 7: we appreciate exactly what And you know, obviously we saw

538
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 7: the Senior.

539
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 3: Bowl too, like we were able to watch all the.

540
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Speaker 7: Teams the team practices from Senior Bowl and kind of

541
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Speaker 7: see him him throw it around and everything, and like.

542
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Speaker 3: That's stylistically like what he's good at.

543
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Speaker 7: So I wasn't surprised by the average depth of target.

544
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Speaker 7: Slightly surprised by the result, like slightly surprised that it

545
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 7: worked at the NFL level, not surprised by the plan.

546
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Speaker 1: No.

547
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Speaker 4: I would agree that if anything, it was a little

548
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 4: more conservative even than I expected. But I expected short

549
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 4: to medium in that order. If short worked, go to medium,

550
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 4: short worked, They never went to medium. I think he

551
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 4: had four targets over ten yards of depth and only

552
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 4: two of them were completed.

553
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 5: And again after he came in.

554
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 4: In relief duty in his first you know, his first

555
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 4: adding ends up throwing a duck of an interception to

556
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,719
Speaker 4: kind of seal the game and gets you know, stripsacked early.

557
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 4: So I think they really wanted to build confidence, lean

558
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 4: into his skill set, and everybody rallied the reason it

559
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 4: worked and surprised Brett and Ie in terms of effectiveness,

560
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 4: even though it was kind of what we expected to

561
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 4: see coming. Was everybody rallying around him, including the offensive lineman,

562
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 4: all the pass catchers. Darnell Mooney got involved in a

563
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 4: way that he hasn't gotten involved for really the whole season.

564
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 4: All the running backs running hard, you know, backup running backs.

565
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 4: At this point you're down to third and four stringers.

566
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 4: Everybody was just grinding for yards and leaning for the

567
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 4: sticks and taking on that one extra piece of contact,

568
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 4: and there was a real energy going through the offense.

569
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Speaker 5: But I want to caution people, it's not sustainable.

570
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Speaker 4: Like Tyson Pagent is a really good QB two. He

571
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 4: is just exactly what you want as QB two. He

572
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 4: can come in, he can execute the offense, he can

573
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 4: be accurate, he can be quick, and as he gains

574
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 4: experience in the league, he can stretch into that medium zone.

575
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 4: We saw him do that at Sheppard where he had

576
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 4: a high comfort level and he worked very well in

577
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 4: that zone. He is not a deep ball thrower right now,

578
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 4: not saying he's not ever gonna be, but that's again

579
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 4: not the strength you want to lean into. If you

580
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 4: squad on the Bears short passing game right now, they're done,

581
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 4: like because there isn't another hit right Because if you

582
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 4: are playing cover three press and you come up and

583
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 4: you say nothing in the five yard zone.

584
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 5: I don't care if it's a runner pass. We're just

585
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 5: coming forward.

586
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 4: We're gonna snuff everything in a five yard zone and

587
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 4: threat and just dare you to throw it over our heads.

588
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 4: I don't think there's consistency in that offense for the Bears,

589
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 4: and it's gonna take away all the things that worked

590
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 4: against the Raiders.

591
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Speaker 1: Well that's that's great because the Chargers are doing the

592
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: opposite of that right now. Right now the strategy seems

593
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: to be Darien teams to throw out short. So yeah,

594
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: it's really a frustrating game plan the last couple of

595
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: weeks against teams i'd also like to throw out short.

596
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: So it just it blew my mind looking at Tyson

597
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: Pagent's numbers, because it was the average of the target

598
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: was extremely low, but then his average time to throw

599
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: was pretty high, and I was like, Okay, normally that's

600
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: not the case. Normally it's like when you're eight hours low,

601
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: it's it's quick, you're pulling the trigger quick. But that

602
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: was the opposite. So, you know, Brandon Staley said on

603
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: Sunday that the team needs to reset, and I think

604
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: a part of that has been the secondary performances and

605
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: just the constant soft zone and off coverages here. This

606
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: is this is the game where you say, Okay, Michael Davis,

607
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: let's let you get back to your form, let's get

608
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: you at the line, let's press DJ more and let's

609
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: mess with the rhythm. Whether or not that happens this week,

610
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: I think is another conversation.

611
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 2: Brett, What did you make of that defense from the

612
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: Charges the last two weeks? Because I watched the preview

613
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 2: show before Week seven for the Chiefs and Chargers game,

614
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: and you said you were shouting things from the stands

615
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: and saying, look, you cannot play this off. You cannot

616
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 2: play this way, and if you do that against the Chiefs,

617
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 2: they are going to get you. Now, granted, the Chiefs

618
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 2: are the best at that, so you're gonna struggle regardless.

619
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 2: But one hundred and ninety two yards after the catch

620
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 2: generated by the Chiefs in that game, what did you

621
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 2: make of that? And do you feel the Chargers would

622
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: pivot away from that this game?

623
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Speaker 7: I you know, I don't know if they're gonna pivot

624
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 7: away from it this game because I feel like their

625
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 7: insistence on playing this this way stylistically indicates a.

626
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 6: Lack of trust in their speed.

627
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 7: You don't play this far over the top of every

628
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 7: single receiver if you think that your guys can run

629
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 7: hip to hip in like press coverage, and the fact

630
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 7: that they insist on not doing that rightly or wrongly,

631
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 7: indicates that at least a coaching staff thinks that they

632
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 7: can't do that, which is a whole different conversation of like, Okay, well,

633
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 7: then how did the secondary get into this particular state

634
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 7: where you don't think you have the speed? Do you

635
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 7: not think that Michael Davis can play press coverage all day?

636
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 3: Anymore?

637
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 2: Like?

638
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 7: Do you not think that Assante has the second and

639
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 7: third gear to stay with guys hip to hip down

640
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 7: the field? Like do you not think that the safeties

641
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,959
Speaker 7: can run man demand with the thirty four year old

642
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 7: Travis Kelcey. If so, that's a whole different problem that

643
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 7: we are now in, and arguably a worse problem. So

644
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 7: I feel like the style is determined by what the

645
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 7: coaching staff thinks as possible. And apparently what the coaching

646
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 7: staff thinks as possible is we are going to create

647
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 7: an umbrella, and we're going to give you whatever you

648
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,719
Speaker 7: want underneath, and we're going to try to tackle and

649
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 7: we're going to live and die by our ability to tackle.

650
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 7: Couldn't do it against Dallas, definitely couldn't do it against

651
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 7: Kansas City. And the problem is tysonvagent is more than

652
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 7: happy to give the ball to DJ Moore in space

653
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 7: and say, go ahead, do all the work, Dj. And

654
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 7: you know not that Travis Kelsey was good at burning angles.

655
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 3: Wait to see Dj Moore.

656
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 6: So it's it's a frustrating. It's a frustrating.

657
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 7: Recipe because I feel like the Bears are content to

658
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Speaker 7: do exactly what the Chargers are going to allow them

659
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Speaker 7: to do, and it's going to have to be a

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Speaker 7: herculean performance by the Chargers pass rushers again to get

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Speaker 7: there before Tyson can get the ball out, or at

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Speaker 7: minimum throw their hands up and clog these throwing lanes

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Speaker 7: and try to get some bad at passes.

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Speaker 6: Because it doesn't seem to me.

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Speaker 7: That the coaching staff believes that the secondary has the

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Speaker 7: juice to play the press man coverage style that in

667
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Speaker 7: theory would frustrate this Bears offense.

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll see how that one goes. I generally we'll

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Speaker 1: get back to the run game here, because I generally

670
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Speaker 1: am very very exciting. We can pivot like this into

671
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Speaker 1: the towo le the conversation too, because you know, the

672
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Speaker 1: Bears are running the football more than any team over

673
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Speaker 1: the last three weeks with justin fields, with Tyson Bagent,

674
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Speaker 1: They're running for more yards per game than any team

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Speaker 1: over the last three weeks. Their success rate is really good.

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Speaker 1: And despite the struggles in the passing game, the Charges

677
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Speaker 1: run defense has been very good this year, and a

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Speaker 1: large part of that is Tuley and what he's able

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Speaker 1: to do consistently on a down to down basis. The

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Speaker 1: way he's been able to you know, close space against

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Speaker 1: pollers or just the brute force against outside zone, it's

682
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Speaker 1: been a ton of fun to watch. And the way

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Speaker 1: that EJ Is describing Tevin Jenkins and obviously Darnell Wright

684
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Speaker 1: for me who loves the trenches, gets me pretty excited

685
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Speaker 1: because both Klumac and Tuley are great against against the trenches.

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Speaker 1: In the trenches so to speak. Right now. So EJ's

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Speaker 1: what's kind of the secret sauce to the Bears pushing

688
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Speaker 1: attack outside of Tevin and Darnell being bullyballs, what's kind

689
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Speaker 1: of their their mo right now?

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Speaker 4: Well, right now is the most important phrase there. They

691
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Speaker 4: didn't have any secret sauce. Early in a year, they

692
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Speaker 4: were not running the ball particularly well. They were getting

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Speaker 4: some explosives, but in terms of we talked about down

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Speaker 4: to down consistency in terms of the Chargers. Down to

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Speaker 4: down consistency for the Bears early in the season, largely

696
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Speaker 4: because of the old line struggles in the line shuffles,

697
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Speaker 4: especially at center, they were just the bad news Bears.

698
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Speaker 4: They could not get out of their own way. They

699
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Speaker 4: had linemen blocking their own linemen.

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Speaker 5: It was it was a mess.

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Speaker 4: And about three three and a half weeks ago it

702
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Speaker 4: started to clean up and we started to see a

703
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Speaker 4: little bit more consistency.

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Speaker 5: Some of that was returned to health.

705
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Speaker 4: Players are turning to the lineup, getting players back in

706
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Speaker 4: their more natural positions. But then you got running back injuries,

707
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Speaker 4: so line came up, running backs went down. You would

708
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Speaker 4: expect that they would stay in that sort of middling territory,

709
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Speaker 4: but they picked right up where they left off, and

710
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Speaker 4: that's largely because the running back room is probably the

711
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Speaker 4: strongest depth room that the Bears have. They were legitimately

712
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Speaker 4: four deep at running back. Very few teams are four deep,

713
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Speaker 4: so pivoting to the third and fourth third being Deontay Foreman.

714
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Speaker 4: Like josph Foreman was stride for stride with Nick Chubb

715
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Speaker 4: through the last.

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Speaker 5: Eight weeks of last season.

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Speaker 4: Like if you look at Nick Chubb's stats and Deontay

718
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Speaker 4: Foreman's stats from last year second half of last year.

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Speaker 5: They're the same. It is a carbon copy. Because Steve

720
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Speaker 5: Wilkes with the Panthers said, we're.

721
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Speaker 3: Gonna run the ball.

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Speaker 5: It's very talented guy.

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Speaker 4: As long as he gets some downhill blocks and gets going,

724
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Speaker 4: don't expect him to run outside zone. But they leaned

725
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Speaker 4: into that and said, cool, we got a couple of

726
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Speaker 4: hulks on the inside. We're gonna run some power concepts

727
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Speaker 4: and we're gonna blast Deonty Foreman. And you know, Darrenton Evans,

728
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Speaker 4: who was signed away from another team's practice squad, spent

729
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Speaker 4: time with the Bears last year, so he was sort

730
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Speaker 4: of familiar with the playbook. He's looked way better than

731
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Speaker 4: he ever looked with the Bears in the past or

732
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Speaker 4: really anybody else. And again, it's that thunder and lightning.

733
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Speaker 4: I hate that that saying, but that's the way it's

734
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Speaker 4: been working right now. Down to Foreman's been pounding away

735
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Speaker 4: Darrenton Evans has been the slasher, the outside concept, the

736
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Speaker 4: big cutback counter guy, and they've found success.

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Speaker 3: And it's a.

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Speaker 4: Little surprising to me just because, well, at least last week,

739
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Speaker 4: they didn't have any threat of a deep passing game,

740
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Speaker 4: like I believe the Raiders pretty much understood by the

741
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Speaker 4: second half, like Tyson Bageen's not going deep on us,

742
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Speaker 4: we should we should just pack everybody forward.

743
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Speaker 5: And they still had success.

744
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Speaker 4: So you can say what you want about the Raiders

745
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Speaker 4: defense hasn't been tremendous as a as a unit. They

746
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Speaker 4: lost to Van Diablo last week. I get it, but

747
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Speaker 4: the Bears had more success even than I think with

748
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Speaker 4: all those variables figured in, than either of us thought

749
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Speaker 4: they would. It's looked really good, and it's been as

750
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Speaker 4: a guy that loves the run game, pretty refreshing, because

751
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Speaker 4: the first month of the season as a Bears run

752
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Speaker 4: game was not pretty to look at. We were just

753
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Speaker 4: talking about why it wasn't working and where it.

754
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Speaker 5: Was failing, and.

755
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Speaker 4: Why it wasn't supporting the offense as an equal part

756
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Speaker 4: and the load that was putting on Justin and everything else.

757
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Speaker 5: In the last couple of weeks have.

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Speaker 4: Been able to like, hey, look at this great efficiency,

759
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 4: lots of first down, some explosives like this part of

760
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Speaker 4: the offense is carrying the offensive part of the team.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys that I believe.

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Speaker 2: The Bears I should say, are third in rush EPA

763
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Speaker 2: the last few weeks. I mean, looking really good. They're

764
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Speaker 2: a lot of surprise. I think they finished last season

765
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Speaker 2: second in rush EPA, but that was justin fields.

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Speaker 3: Helps with those things.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure a guy like Mercedes Lewis also helps there.

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Speaker 2: I see a big matchup this week between one of

769
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Speaker 2: the oldest guys in the league and Mercedes Lewis versus

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Speaker 2: two Lee Twipplow too, one of the youngest guys who

771
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Speaker 2: just turned twenty one. How has he and Brett will

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Speaker 2: start with you and last question so I can get

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Speaker 2: you guys out of here. How has he either defied

774
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Speaker 2: expectations or met your expectations? Because he's been awesome and

775
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Speaker 2: like you said, the Bears maybe are regretting passing on him,

776
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Speaker 2: but for the Chargers, we're loving it.

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Speaker 7: He has been phenomenal in all in all respects. You

778
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Speaker 7: know again, he's fourth among rookies and pressures. Two of

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Speaker 7: the three guys ahead of him are Jalen garter will Anderson,

780
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Speaker 7: who were arguably the two best players in.

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Speaker 6: The entire draft class.

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Speaker 7: So he's he's mentioned in the same breath as them.

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Speaker 7: And oh, by the way, also he leads the Chargers

784
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Speaker 7: and run stops. You know, he lines up everywhere and

785
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Speaker 7: does everything. Four point stance, three point stance. You know,

786
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Speaker 7: they'll they'll put him in a two point stance over

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Speaker 7: the guard and he'll backdoor guards and get TFLs that way.

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Speaker 7: Like he's been fantastic. They're playing it, playing him at

789
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Speaker 7: a lighter weight than he did at USC, and so

790
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Speaker 7: his quickness and fluidity I think has been highlighted more

791
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Speaker 7: in the NFL than it.

792
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Speaker 3: Was at the collegiate level.

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Speaker 7: And I would just keep him at this weight because

794
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Speaker 7: for sure, guards seemingly can't handle his quickness, but he

795
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Speaker 7: still retained a lot of the power that he had

796
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Speaker 7: when he was heavier and uh and so you know,

797
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Speaker 7: even these tackles that are three fifteen, three, twenty three,

798
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Speaker 7: twenty five, like he's getting into their chest and just

799
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Speaker 7: rocking them back. So I think the Chargers absolutely knocked

800
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Speaker 7: it out of the park. And again, you compare, you

801
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Speaker 7: compare Tuley to the edge rotation for the Bears. I mean,

802
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Speaker 7: the Chargers have three of them at this point, but

803
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Speaker 7: like the Bears are last in the NFL and pass

804
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 7: rush win rate there at twenty nine percent, Tully by himself,

805
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Speaker 7: you know, would would be I think the pressure leader

806
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Speaker 7: in Chicago right now. So again, Chargers are very lucky

807
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Speaker 7: that he fell that far. EJ was a massive Tuley guy,

808
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Speaker 7: coming out like he thought he should have been a

809
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Speaker 7: first round pick, and then to see.

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Speaker 6: Him slide and slide and slide and then not end

811
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Speaker 6: up in Chicago was heartbreaking for him.

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Speaker 3: But Chargers are very happy about it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I remember, I think I said this before, but

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Speaker 1: I remember listening to Your Guys show about tu Lee

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Speaker 1: and that was the first time I went back and

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Speaker 1: watched him. In the first game I watched was Stanford

817
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Speaker 1: and they had him playing noseguard that week for like

818
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Speaker 1: thirty five snaps and I'm like, I'm like EJ and

819
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Speaker 1: Brett said, this guy as an edge rusher, Like what

820
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Speaker 1: is going on here? But I stuck with it, and

821
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Speaker 1: I liked too Lee not as much as EJ did,

822
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Speaker 1: But you know, again, influencing the show, influencing us, because

823
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Speaker 1: I would not have stuck with that I would not

824
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Speaker 1: have watched him playing nose guard and stuck with it

825
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Speaker 1: if not for your guys' opinions there. So EJ, what

826
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Speaker 1: do you seeing from Tuley from afar as as a

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Speaker 1: Bears fan right now?

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Speaker 4: Well, as a Bears fan, it's just tears right. I

829
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Speaker 4: wanted him very bad to be at Bears. But he's

830
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Speaker 4: one of those guys that you fall in love with

831
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Speaker 4: this film. He was on our honorable mentions list for

832
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Speaker 4: our Defensive Gems episode. Was a strong advocate. Thought he

833
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 4: was going to be a value. I thought he should

834
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Speaker 4: go higher. I also kind of knew he wouldn't though.

835
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Speaker 4: I thought the league would discount his mix of skills

836
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Speaker 4: and that he would be a second or third rounder,

837
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Speaker 4: and to me, that represented a huge value.

838
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Speaker 5: So that made him even more attractive to me.

839
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Speaker 4: I'd say he's met my expectations for him, but I

840
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Speaker 4: had super high expectations, maybe the highest in the draft

841
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Speaker 4: community that I know about.

842
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Speaker 5: So you know, his usage.

843
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 4: Is fantastic And when I was digging around for this episode,

844
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Speaker 4: I find a fun one.

845
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Speaker 5: Brett. You're gonna love this.

846
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Speaker 4: He leads edge rushers in press coverage snaps for the league.

847
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Speaker 3: Of course, he does at first.

848
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Speaker 4: At first, I was like, Oh, let's just see if

849
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Speaker 4: he leads all rookies, and I screwed the filter up

850
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Speaker 4: and I didn't sort it for rookies and he was

851
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Speaker 4: still at the top, and I was like, oh, crap,

852
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Speaker 4: he's leading the NFL in press coverage snaps for edge rushers.

853
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Speaker 4: He has eleven, which doesn't seem like a ton, but

854
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Speaker 4: it's a whole lot more than obviously anybody else playing

855
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Speaker 4: edge in the NFL.

856
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Speaker 5: Inside outside versatility.

857
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Speaker 4: You talked about in college his usages, they had him

858
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Speaker 4: slid in you know, nose two I, they played him

859
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Speaker 4: at four I.

860
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Speaker 5: He would occasionally.

861
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Speaker 4: Play wide nine and he just terrorized people from all

862
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Speaker 4: those alignments. Tons of effort, tons of physicality, and a

863
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Speaker 4: lot of savvy. He he didn't always just get it

864
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Speaker 4: done by out athleting people and oftentimes put himself in

865
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Speaker 4: the right position that required film study, that required and

866
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Speaker 4: understanding if I do this, the offensive linement's going to

867
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Speaker 4: do this, and then I'm going to be in.

868
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Speaker 3: The spot to do that.

869
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Speaker 4: I loved all that stuff about his game. He's done

870
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Speaker 4: that and more for the Chargers. Plus, you know, apparently

871
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Speaker 4: he covers, so why not like, let's do it.

872
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Speaker 3: Why not.

873
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Speaker 1: Indeed, I had not seen that stat until until just now,

874
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Speaker 1: so that's that's awesome. So along with everything else, he's

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Speaker 1: he's a great great interview, great guy, super humble off

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Speaker 1: the field. We were big fans of two on this show,

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Speaker 1: so all right, that's gonna do it for us. Brett Ej.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for joining us today. We

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Speaker 1: are super grateful for your time. We kept you longer

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Speaker 1: than we initially planned, so appreciate the graciousness of your time.

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Speaker 1: Charges fans, sincerely, go check them out. If you're a

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Speaker 1: draft nerd, they are the best in the business and

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Speaker 1: covering the draft. If you want deep dives on every

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Speaker 1: team in the summer, definitely go. Encourage you to go

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Speaker 1: check those out. They put a ton of work into that,

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Speaker 1: as we were talking about before the show. Sincerely, one

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Speaker 1: of the gold standards in the industry right now, and

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Speaker 1: we really appreciate your time. So Brett EJ. Thanks, thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining us so much, and we will talk soon,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure.

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Speaker 6: Thank you for having us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we appreciate it.