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Speaker 4: Hello and welcome to a new episode of this machine podcast,
Speaker 4: part of the Foul Territory Network. I'm your host, Josh Nelson,
Speaker 4: and in this episode you're going to hear from a
Speaker 4: lot of White Sox personnel as we will be recapping
Speaker 4: what happened between the White Sox and Guardians, a huge
Speaker 4: series in the American League Central. James Fige and Jim
Speaker 4: Margolis will join me in an upcoming episode of The
Speaker 4: Sox Machine podcast. But we did so many interviews, we
Speaker 4: have so much video from Chris Gatz, Will Venable, Coles Montgomery, Munatakamurakami,
Speaker 4: White Sox pitching coach Zach Bove. We even have Mark
Speaker 4: Burley also doing a quick interview with us about all
Speaker 4: the festivities that happened this weekend with of course Azy
Speaker 4: Gehan having his number thirteen retired and joining like Mark
Speaker 4: Burley and Paul Konerko from the two thousand and five
Speaker 4: World Championship squad up in the rafters. I also want
Speaker 4: to give a quick shout out to everyone that joined
Speaker 4: us this weekend for Sox Machines to twentieth anniversary.
Speaker 5: Pretty special moment for us.
Speaker 4: We had our Veterans Committee members, which that is part
Speaker 4: one of the tiers if you are a Sox Machine subscriber.
Speaker 4: We always have a Sweet Night every year, so that
Speaker 4: was a lot of fun. That was on Friday Night,
Speaker 4: which unfortunately White Sox didn't win, and of course hilarity
Speaker 4: ensued as job Rule canceled his concert. And then on Saturday,
Speaker 4: so many of you stopped by and lot e as
Speaker 4: we had our tailgate as well, so we had the
Speaker 4: hot dogs and Polar sausages. We had the Sox Machine
Speaker 4: cupcakes as well, so it meant a lot to us
Speaker 4: for everyone that said thank you and congratulations as we
Speaker 4: celebrated our twentieth anniversary this weekend. Of course, on Saturday,
Speaker 4: the day belonged to Ozzie Gean having his number thirteen
Speaker 4: retired and joining in the rafters at Rate Field, and
Speaker 4: for Ozzie the nineteen eighty five American League Rooki of
Speaker 4: the Year, but of course most well known for being
Speaker 4: the Chicago White Sox manager when they won the World
Speaker 4: Series in two thousand and five a pack stadium. It
Speaker 4: was a very emotional speech. You can easily tell this
Speaker 4: honor meant a lot to Ozzie and to seeing so
Speaker 4: many former players in White Sox personnel being seated on
Speaker 4: the field while Ozzie was given his speech. It was
Speaker 4: a great moment for Ozzi and the Chicago White Sox.
Speaker 4: Ozzi was asked about what was his biggest thrill of
Speaker 4: receiving this honor, and Ozzi Gian said, quote, to me,
Speaker 4: the biggest thrill when I see the number, the name
Speaker 4: out there is what it means to my grandkids to
Speaker 4: walk this field and see that last name up there.
Speaker 5: That's the biggest thrill.
Speaker 4: We also got a chance to hear from Chris Getz,
Speaker 4: former player under Ozzi Gian his first manager, and of
Speaker 4: course Mark Burley two thousand and five world champion, what
Speaker 4: it was like to play under Ozzi Gian.
Speaker 2: I think he was nervous and he was a little
Speaker 2: more emotionally.
Speaker 6: They came over, He's like, I didn't get a moment small.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a few times literally going.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I don't know if you've got nervous story
Speaker 7: baseball stuff, but I think he's a lot more nervous.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's given so much of his career, his playing career,
Speaker 8: coaching career, broadcasting career.
Speaker 9: Half his life he's been with the White Sox on
Speaker 9: how much do you think this means to him?
Speaker 7: I think it means a lot. You can you can
Speaker 7: see obviously talking about it. I mean, he's again, he's
Speaker 7: a family guy. He spent a lot of time talking
Speaker 7: about his family. He loves family guys, the kids, you know,
Speaker 7: the kids on the team. He brings everybody together. So
Speaker 7: I think it meant a lot for him.
Speaker 10: In my office and I've got at home in my
Speaker 10: first opening day was hitting the second second, you know,
Speaker 10: they call everyone out to the to the line and
Speaker 10: I've got a picture of you know where he's acknowledging me.
Speaker 10: We're giving each other knuckles and yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 10: think everyone reflects back on the first manager that they've
Speaker 10: ever had, and in my case, you know, a memorable
Speaker 10: one for for a lot of different reasons. You know,
Speaker 10: had a story playing career and managing. You know, I
Speaker 10: still believe that in terms of instincts for the game.
Speaker 10: You know, one of the best I've been around, if
Speaker 10: not the best. I mean I it's you know, really
Speaker 10: special and and also one of the funniest people that
Speaker 10: that I've ever been around as well.
Speaker 6: He was always very supportive of me when I was
Speaker 6: in the minor leagues to be a big leaguer, and
Speaker 6: even when I was playing with other clubs as well.
Speaker 10: I always look forward to interacting with them.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 10: It's really cool to see so many people coming. Not
Speaker 10: only are fans on tomorrow, uh for for his special day,
Speaker 10: but players that have played for him, friends of his uh.
Speaker 6: You know, he's obviously got.
Speaker 7: A special place in their hearts, and he doesn't mind
Speaker 7: been like a five seconds, I think just reagree AJ
Speaker 7: and p Se. My biggest thing is hot about was
Speaker 7: like that's obviously probably seventy five and said, whine.
Speaker 2: We went to Mimi.
Speaker 6: But because he was the manager, is because knowing.
Speaker 7: How much he loved It's like it didn't matter if
Speaker 7: you want up losing game. The kids were allowing me
Speaker 7: to love ost you guys said, I think the kids
Speaker 7: fault you all four don't yell at down and obviously
Speaker 7: having kids growing up at that time, I loved it.
Speaker 6: And it's just it was like he is the biggest family.
Speaker 2: Guy known the man. So that was that's one of
Speaker 2: the guys.
Speaker 11: Said, was off mon Brooklyn and great and remember how
Speaker 11: much he was.
Speaker 2: In pot with them. I remember coming to the clubs,
Speaker 2: coming on the road and there.
Speaker 7: Was a great I think they remember the gator a
Speaker 7: cup full of sweetest fish, and he'd always given them
Speaker 7: an ends at ten thirty at night, whenever they're walking
Speaker 7: out of a couple of candy and mans like it's
Speaker 7: pretty enough the best idea. But I think over the
Speaker 7: last few years of being up here on them, I
Speaker 7: don't think when I was playing on the l I'm
Speaker 7: not sure they really remember much of that, But I
Speaker 7: think it's more of the last couple years been up here.
Speaker 6: More certain every specifically you could tell them this you
Speaker 6: haven't told before?
Speaker 7: Yeah, like AJ said, there were talking about Ozzie and
Speaker 7: tell the truth, but kind of keep it PG No,
Speaker 7: I like I said, I just think it's mostly the
Speaker 7: family thing. And that's what I took tard because I'm
Speaker 7: a family guy. And like when I went to Toronto,
Speaker 7: it was like my family wasn't there. And every time
Speaker 7: I opened my apartment door and they weren't there, I'm like,
Speaker 7: what am I doing? I feel like a cow's kid.
Speaker 7: I actually have my family here and they can't be
Speaker 7: so just the whole family aspect of it.
Speaker 2: How big of a family guy he was.
Speaker 7: And yeah, me cared about baseball and performing well, but
Speaker 7: it was family first.
Speaker 6: I was a family doing and are you doing?
Speaker 2: Okay? You want to go longer? Like it's kind of
Speaker 2: stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Now, everybody who loves people who tell the truth, I'm farmers, well.
Speaker 12: Yours you know what I mean?
Speaker 6: When people like him even to the.
Speaker 7: Truth, I think that's why, Like I mean, he he
Speaker 7: literally told you what he was expecting out of you
Speaker 7: or what he thought of you, whether it was good
Speaker 7: or bad. You might not want to hear it, but
Speaker 7: his door was always open. You can walk him anytime.
Speaker 7: You might not might not want to hear what he's
Speaker 7: gonna tell you, but he's gonna tell you the truth.
Speaker 6: I can't tell any of those stories. Yeah, now, I've
Speaker 6: got a lot.
Speaker 2: Of those stories, you know.
Speaker 10: I Yeah, no, I don't know what comfortable sharing those,
Speaker 10: But I've got a lot of stories.
Speaker 6: I love telling people. I just don't think I need
Speaker 6: to make them pump cash.
Speaker 7: There was one story I can say that was my
Speaker 7: that's not with my daughter when she was young, but
Speaker 7: she walked out of the cluboffs crying, bowling her eyes off,
Speaker 7: and Ozzie came out behind her and he said, I
Speaker 7: think she just saw Rebate naked and that's why.
Speaker 2: She was trying.
Speaker 7: So that's that's the Ozzy story in ours. I mean
Speaker 7: eight million like that and lease of the ones that
Speaker 7: you can actually talk about.
Speaker 4: You have to appreciate the bluntness from Mark Burley. But
Speaker 4: congratulations again to Ozzie Gean and his family for his
Speaker 4: jersey retirement.
Speaker 5: And we'll see who will be the.
Speaker 4: Next number to be retired by the Chicago White Sox.
Speaker 4: Maybe Jose Brau. That could be a stretch. He did
Speaker 4: win Rookie of the Year and the MVP. He probably
Speaker 4: has the best chance of the more recent former White
Speaker 4: Sox players to have his number retired, but it could
Speaker 4: be a while before we see anybody's number retired for
Speaker 4: the Chicago White Sox. We're gonna take a quick break
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Speaker 4: the American League's central standings. As the White Sox win
Speaker 4: a big series against the Cleveland Guardians and get those
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Speaker 4: and Colson Montgomery, plus Hagen.
Speaker 5: Smith makes his major league debut, and we.
Speaker 4: Hear from Chicago White Sox pitching coach Zach Bob about
Speaker 4: the current pitching structure and what we could see in
Speaker 4: the very near future before this season ends.
Speaker 5: For White Sox pitchers. Next on The Sox Machine podcast.
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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Sox Machine podcast as we recap
Speaker 4: what happened between the Guardians and the White Sox this weekend.
Speaker 4: In Game one, really weird starts as Noah Schultz didn't
Speaker 4: even get out of the first inning because well documented
Speaker 4: and we wrote about on soxmachine dot com, Will Vedible
Speaker 4: made the mistake in the first inning of a second
Speaker 4: mound visit that required him to replace Noah Schultz with
Speaker 4: David Sandalin, as the Guardians did end up winning that
Speaker 4: game in a big manner eight to two as they
Speaker 4: hit a grand slam off David Sandlin. Sandlin did the
Speaker 4: best that he could in those extreme circumstances, but the
Speaker 4: White Sox did respond quite nicely on Saturday and on Sunday,
Speaker 4: as in Game two, the White Sox were down two
Speaker 4: to nothing as they finally got to Gevin Williams and
Speaker 4: Cleveland's bullpen to pull together a rally. Mood of Takomurakami
Speaker 4: sparked a rally with a home run as the White
Speaker 4: Sox ended up winning six to three, and then on
Speaker 4: Sunday a long rain as the White Sox and Guardians
Speaker 4: entered a rain delay in the top of the second inning, again,
Speaker 4: the White Sox had to burn another starting pitcher, Davis
Speaker 4: Martin only lasted an inning, but thanks to a big
Speaker 4: home run from Coles Montgomery, the White Sox beat the
Speaker 4: Cleveland Guardians five to three and now when you take
Speaker 4: a look at the American League Central standings, a lot
Speaker 4: of adjustments here. Great weekend for the White Sox. They
Speaker 4: extend their lead in the division. They are sixty one
Speaker 4: and fifty six. They have already won more games than
Speaker 4: they did last year, so that's always that's a great sign.
Speaker 4: The Detroit Tigers are now in second place with a
Speaker 4: fifty eight and sixty record. They're three and a half
Speaker 4: games behind the White Sox. Meanwhile, the Guardians drop to
Speaker 4: fourth place as they do not have the tiebreaker against
Speaker 4: the Minnesota Twins. Both teams are fifty eight and sixty one.
Speaker 4: They are four games back. The Kansas City Royals are
Speaker 4: forty nine and seventy They are thirteen games back. Here
Speaker 4: is debo series interviews from White Sox man or jar
Speaker 4: Will Vetable, Munataka Murakami, and colst to Montgomery.
Speaker 6: Last season's win total. What are your thoughts, if anything
Speaker 6: on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great, I mean it's signals progress for us.
Speaker 7: Obviously, you know we have a long way to go here,
Speaker 7: but I'm certainly happy about where we're at now, knowing that, yeah,
Speaker 7: we've gone through some stuff here and continue to push
Speaker 7: through and just get better and better, and obviously getting
Speaker 7: our sixty first one today and passing last year is
Speaker 7: at this stuff.
Speaker 9: Seventeen walks in total, I think between the teams, do
Speaker 9: you think like slickness or the money just in the mound,
Speaker 9: like contributed at all or just kind of a wacky game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have any explanation for that. It's just
Speaker 2: one of those games. Yet put the money and places.
Speaker 6: It's obviously a very important series. So I'm really glad
Speaker 6: that you know, we got to We're just went. We
Speaker 6: were in a bide and could say stringers get to
Speaker 6: be set and then come back today with win.
Speaker 9: You've been one of the most you know, successful hitters
Speaker 9: in the league against you know, high velocity, you know,
Speaker 9: one hundred miles hour today, Like, what do you feel
Speaker 9: like has made you successful against you know, the hardest
Speaker 9: fast balls.
Speaker 2: In the league. Hey, you chaps, we'll kick on.
Speaker 6: Eight months.
Speaker 2: Oh well, you've look at the good Colt stuffs totally
Speaker 2: to feel the boys feel vehicle.
Speaker 15: I don't really think it's something to be special. Honest,
Speaker 15: you know some falls that you are coming to me.
Speaker 15: I'm able to react on all of time and just
Speaker 15: go through my all same routines every single.
Speaker 2: Time in the lead in the division.
Speaker 6: Can you just talk about the importance of today's will win.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, I think our whole stretch, you know,
Speaker 8: how remain game stretch it was, you know with Tampa,
Speaker 8: with Boston stuff, you know Boston. You know, that's one
Speaker 8: of those situations where you kind of just like, all.
Speaker 6: Right, well we'll see and you know postseason, we'll see
Speaker 6: you later.
Speaker 8: You know, kind of take take those blows and you know,
Speaker 8: kind of take a step back and to do what
Speaker 8: we see what we did good, and see what we
Speaker 8: did and but uh, I don't know, I think you know,
Speaker 8: it's it's always good, you know, play against you know division,
Speaker 8: you know teams, it's playoff experience. You know, especially last night,
Speaker 8: you know we were down, their guy was dealing, but
Speaker 8: it was just you know, one of those things that
Speaker 8: we've shown, you know, throughout the years is that we're
Speaker 8: not going to back down. We're gonna try and find
Speaker 8: a way to win.
Speaker 2: Especially Yeah, big swing by Colson.
Speaker 7: I think you know, he needed that. You know, it's
Speaker 7: been a tough stretch for for him here. And we'll
Speaker 7: laughs a little bit, but that's that's what.
Speaker 2: He's got in there. You know, you know that that
Speaker 2: he's dangerous every time he's out there. Obviously, that was
Speaker 2: a really big swing for us. And it's the.
Speaker 6: Difference in the game, don't you talking about just focusing
Speaker 6: on the process. And is that what you try to
Speaker 6: do when you when you go through these stretches that
Speaker 6: are perfect.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean it's you got to be willing to
Speaker 8: take a step back and kind of you know, self
Speaker 8: evaluate what you need to do and like what you
Speaker 8: are doing. So, you know, the past two days or whatever,
Speaker 8: a couple I don't know how long, however long it's been,
Speaker 8: but I kind of just took a step back, you know,
Speaker 8: talk to Joel, talk to a show. We're like, okay,
Speaker 8: let's let's look at you know, you know, success, it
Speaker 8: leaves you know, clues, so let's just go out there
Speaker 8: and let's check it out. Let's look and see what
Speaker 8: it is. And it really wasn't anything to too crazy,
Speaker 8: you know, it was just kind of getting myself, you know,
Speaker 8: up early, you know, ready to you know, kind of
Speaker 8: let myself, you know, let my swing and.
Speaker 6: My body develop and and then just be committed to fastball.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, I guess I mean more just helped
Speaker 8: the team. You know, it was able to you know,
Speaker 8: put us up and put us ahead, especially after a
Speaker 8: long you.
Speaker 6: Know, rain delays.
Speaker 8: You never know how teams can come out, you know,
Speaker 8: after rain delay. But I think it was kind of
Speaker 8: a statement, you know, we came.
Speaker 6: Out of the delay and was it right out of
Speaker 6: the day.
Speaker 2: We can put up four months something like that, something
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 6: So on, I thought that said a lot about us.
Speaker 4: On Sunday because of the rain delay, and Davis Martin
Speaker 4: only lasted an inning because he just got ended up
Speaker 4: being burnt out. He couldn't restart him. So because against
Speaker 4: a very heavy left handed hitting lineup from the Cleveland Guardians,
Speaker 4: White Sox manager Will Vennible decided to make Sunday Hagen
Speaker 4: Smith's major league baseball debut. And what a unique spot
Speaker 4: for Smith to make his MLB debut, and in very
Speaker 4: Hagen Smith's way if you've been paying attention to how
Speaker 4: he's been throwing in the minor leagues. Hagen Smith did
Speaker 4: throw two scoreless innings. Cleveland didn't register a hit against him,
Speaker 4: but he walked four batters, he did strike out three,
Speaker 4: and he did this all on forty eight pitches, so
Speaker 4: again a very Hagen Smith outing, but his MLB debut
Speaker 4: is in the books. He earned the win thanks to
Speaker 4: Coleson Montgomery's big home run. Here's Will Vettibul explaining that
Speaker 4: decision why he went to Hagen Smith, and then Hagen
Speaker 4: Smith talking about the experience of making his MLB debut.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, you know, you have these plans to
Speaker 7: you know, get these young guys a nice soft landing spot,
Speaker 7: and you know, second inning after rain delay is not
Speaker 7: something that I don't think he's done before, and so
Speaker 7: challenging situation.
Speaker 2: And then as his outing unfolded and he.
Speaker 7: Was challenged there in his second inning with the bases loaded,
Speaker 7: it was a really good test for him and obviously
Speaker 7: came through.
Speaker 16: What made you pick him to go to replace Davis
Speaker 16: in the second You know what kind of the thought
Speaker 16: process was with their lineup being so left handed that
Speaker 16: you know left he was going to be the first out.
Speaker 2: Hagen was kind of the guy.
Speaker 17: Yeah, I was definitely different. I didn't really know I
Speaker 17: was going until a few hours an hour into delay,
Speaker 17: and so yeah, that's gonna sounded with me. So I
Speaker 17: was just good from there.
Speaker 18: What were you doing here in the plumphouse. Just make
Speaker 18: sure you're ready.
Speaker 17: During I was kind of just waiting around, kind of
Speaker 17: seeing what we're going to start, moving around a little
Speaker 17: bit in the weight room, just kind of stay loose
Speaker 17: and whatnot, and you know we got to start time,
Speaker 17: went out there and play catch.
Speaker 2: And got on them out.
Speaker 18: You had three punch outs in your first inning, but
Speaker 18: then you know you got to baseloaded. Just how were
Speaker 18: you able to slow things down just to.
Speaker 6: Get out of that with that gym there.
Speaker 17: Yeah, the first inning obviously was good and then second
Speaker 17: you kind of fell off a little bit, but you know,
Speaker 17: glad we got the win, and that's all it really matters.
Speaker 13: What do you feel like being out there for the
Speaker 13: first time and striking out Ryan Bokyo problems with the
Speaker 13: soccers too.
Speaker 17: Yeah, it was really cool obviously, you know, going out there,
Speaker 17: you just want to go out there compete and you
Speaker 17: know the results.
Speaker 2: Are what they are and terms to be good.
Speaker 18: Just reflecting on your journey, especially this season, just what
Speaker 18: does it mean just to do your debut and we.
Speaker 17: Look back and leaders, Yeah, it's awesome. You know you
Speaker 17: always dream that's growing up, especially when you get drafted.
Speaker 17: You just look forward to the debut and doing it.
Speaker 17: It was just really cool and really special moment you.
Speaker 2: Get your first win and in your first appearance.
Speaker 17: So yeah, I didn't really I didn't know that until
Speaker 17: I got back in the.
Speaker 2: Club out so that's kind of cool celebrated. Yeah, yep. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Any advice for Tanner, it's gold be him.
Speaker 17: You know, he's really good and just be himself out
Speaker 17: there and he'll.
Speaker 2: He'll do great.
Speaker 6: Who told you you get the win?
Speaker 2: Uh? I can't remember, honestly.
Speaker 17: I was just kind of sitting in here and there like,
Speaker 17: because you get to win.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 7: As he continues to work on, Yeah, that's something that
Speaker 7: he'll always continue to work on. He's got such good stuff.
Speaker 7: If he's on his own, and he's gonna be really
Speaker 7: hard to deal with. We saw that, and you know,
Speaker 7: you understand with that stuff, as it's hard to control
Speaker 7: the movement that there are going to be some walks
Speaker 7: in there. But as he continues to grow, you expect
Speaker 7: him to be able to.
Speaker 2: Tighten it up.
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Speaker 4: plans to try to finish out the regular season and
Speaker 4: make their way to the postseason.
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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Sox Machine podcast. Here is the
Speaker 4: prescot diference with Chicago White Sox pitching coach Zach Bob
Speaker 4: which he's going to start talking about Davis Martin again.
Speaker 4: We only saw an inning out of Davis Martin on Sunday,
Speaker 4: but in his last start got beat up again, that
Speaker 4: time by the Boston Red Sox, and afterwards there was
Speaker 4: a lot of talk about pitch tipping for Davis Martin.
Speaker 4: This conversation with Zach Bov covers many pitchers for the
Speaker 4: Chicago White Sox, so you'll be hearing the entirety of
Speaker 4: his pregame press conference. I think there's a lot to
Speaker 4: take away from what Zach Bov thinks about his Farms
Speaker 4: White Sox pitchers and the adjustments they're trying to make
Speaker 4: on the fly. Here to stay ahead of everybody in
Speaker 4: the American League Central and still shock the baseball world
Speaker 4: and making the postseason in twenty twenty six. So here's
Speaker 4: Chicago White Sox pitching coach Zach bov.
Speaker 12: That's the plan, we hope. So yeah, it's definitely MANI
Speaker 12: focus and stuff like that. So, I mean, something that
Speaker 12: we're going to be on top of and you know,
Speaker 12: we feel good going to the game.
Speaker 18: The Tendi pitches. What did you say from him?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think kind of similar trend. It's really the
Speaker 6: fastball command.
Speaker 12: Right when when the fastball command is there, it's good,
Speaker 12: It kind of sets up everything. It gives them something
Speaker 12: they got to honor rather than just the spin. So like,
Speaker 12: if we feel good about like the four teams specifically,
Speaker 12: if he's thrown into the good spots, then I think
Speaker 12: that helps this whole arsenal playoff.
Speaker 11: Is a very kind of basic thing. But is there
Speaker 11: fatigue and bound with him too? It looks like he
Speaker 11: looks like maybe a little different thing in early in
Speaker 11: the year.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's multiple factors that that's one of it, right.
Speaker 12: Some of it's like the delivery, can you know again
Speaker 12: the deliver's off, But is the delivery off because of
Speaker 12: the feet fatigue, the innings pitched right, generally like how
Speaker 12: the body's feeling right. Everyone goes through like different stretches
Speaker 12: throughout the year, So I don't think it's one specific thing,
Speaker 12: but it is a combination of different factors, and you hope.
Speaker 18: Goes navigate that because he's not the only one that's
Speaker 18: us at this point.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think we're really cognitive, like the amount of
Speaker 12: throws in between starts, whether that's the sides, you know,
Speaker 12: even like the day afters and stuff like that. Obviously
Speaker 12: like through recovery. So it's just communicating with them, but
Speaker 12: like really just making sure it's like more a quality.
Speaker 6: Rather than just already throws throughout the week.
Speaker 9: Anthony Kay has been really steady since you broke up
Speaker 9: this point, probably in a way that gets under the
Speaker 9: radar with maybe something that he's done very consistently kind
Speaker 9: of you know, it doesn't get recognizing that.
Speaker 12: No, I hear, you're so right right, and like we've
Speaker 12: definitely had those conversations of where he was to where
Speaker 12: he is now.
Speaker 6: I think it gets the change up. Number one, that
Speaker 6: being able to land it right.
Speaker 12: The guys have to respect that, which then makes that
Speaker 12: cutter the four seam up and into the right east
Speaker 12: like playoff even more and then be able to land
Speaker 12: out like the sweeper specifically, So if he's like landing
Speaker 12: the change up in the sweeper, I think it like
Speaker 12: slows them down to make that like the four seam
Speaker 12: in this in the cutter.
Speaker 6: Playoff even more ruston. And what is really funny, Yeah.
Speaker 12: There's definitely some flashes there, like first couple of innings, right,
Speaker 12: like the fastballs combo and the fastball is really good
Speaker 12: and like, honestly, you look at the line, it wasn't great,
Speaker 12: but a lot of weak contact right Obviously the home
Speaker 12: homer got him and stuff like that, but like we
Speaker 12: felt good about it. He just had a good side
Speaker 12: session and like obviously like we're excited to have him,
Speaker 12: you know, join the Eric.
Speaker 6: Fetty's Sooni is going in the wolfen.
Speaker 11: He was planning on being stretched out and then he
Speaker 11: became kind of the in case of emergency pre class
Speaker 11: guy of this week. I mean, how tough is that
Speaker 11: when you're quest since he was kind of finding a
Speaker 11: root in that kind if he was starter.
Speaker 12: Yeah, no, it is tough, And like Fetti is as
Speaker 12: a pro and he understands the role, you know, like
Speaker 12: it's got to be flexible.
Speaker 6: That that was the conversation from day one.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 12: Obviously you know he provides a length, but like he's
Speaker 12: pitched in some short inning just because of where the
Speaker 12: pen's at. So yeah, we're trying to you know, keep
Speaker 12: fetty as routine or he does again, but knowing like
Speaker 12: there's gonna be some adjustments and have to like fill
Speaker 12: in wherever the game dictates. Why do the pictures in
Speaker 12: Jos be a connection with there that he seems visible
Speaker 12: he's kept around. Yeah, I think Drew is really understands
Speaker 12: what the picture does well, right, the message that we've
Speaker 12: preached from day one and really like starts with as
Speaker 12: the foundation. But also like Drew does his homework right,
Speaker 12: understands like the hitters and all that that goes in
Speaker 12: and like really easy to communicate with.
Speaker 6: So like I think guys just understand, like, hey, he's
Speaker 6: he's gonna lead with their strengths first, right, he's gonna
Speaker 6: understand what the hitter you.
Speaker 12: Know, maybe struggles with it. Kind of lends those two.
Speaker 12: I will say, like Q has been you know, since
Speaker 12: he've been back, really good the communication has been great.
Speaker 12: Hugh's locked in, so Hugh is definitely making positive strides
Speaker 12: in those areas as well.
Speaker 9: Christmas kind of suggestsing as Castio that you know, he
Speaker 9: could use off speed more a bit going forward, and
Speaker 9: obviously he used to have one of the best changes
Speaker 9: in the game and throws it a bit less than
Speaker 9: he used to. Is that something that can be that
Speaker 9: he can turn back to in a significant way, you
Speaker 9: know midseason?
Speaker 12: No, for sure, Yeah, like we've had those conversations with him.
Speaker 12: I think louis, you know, on board with the increasing
Speaker 12: of the change up. Obviously two lefties, but maybe an
Speaker 12: opportunity to throw it to the right handed hitters too.
Speaker 12: I think part of it too is like you know,
Speaker 12: obviously Seattle is a really good organization, right the devel pitchy,
Speaker 12: but they're definitely slider heavy, right, So it's just like
Speaker 12: that just naturally like they push the slider more so
Speaker 12: like understanding like where louis at how to get out hitters.
Speaker 12: I think the change up you're gonna definitely see any
Speaker 12: increase usage from it.
Speaker 9: Does that change the way like you've kind of turn
Speaker 9: over a change up if your throwing sliders, you know,
Speaker 9: all the time A little bit.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it can effect like the shape of the change up.
Speaker 12: Obviously some mechanical factors that you know, like we have
Speaker 12: kind of you know, identified and stuff like that. So
Speaker 12: it's like all those shapes can have a multiple two
Speaker 12: to effects on like the arsenal as a hole to
Speaker 12: delivery as a whole.
Speaker 11: Remember us watched Lucas Deledo come up, have like five
Speaker 11: or six really good starts, have a really rough first
Speaker 11: full year, and then take onf for like three or
Speaker 11: four years. Is that time to remember when you watch
Speaker 11: Noah just an example of development asn't always linear.
Speaker 6: Sometimes you have you know, a rough nun. That doesn't
Speaker 6: mean like you can't turn around in the visiar, No,
Speaker 6: it's so true.
Speaker 12: And like Noah, like if you just look back at
Speaker 12: the innings, right, the injuries over the years, Like this
Speaker 12: guy hasn't had like a full season. So obviously he's
Speaker 12: twenty three years old, obviously has has been a top
Speaker 12: prospect all that that comes with it, but like he's
Speaker 12: still getting into his own and you saw that up
Speaker 12: here to your point, right, the flashes of man, this
Speaker 12: can guy can.
Speaker 6: Be really good and then maybe some inconsistency.
Speaker 12: So like Noah is obviously a big part of our
Speaker 12: our future, but like just use this time as a reset,
Speaker 12: work on specific specific things, but also just get used
Speaker 12: to the grind of you know, a season in one
Speaker 12: hundred and thirty one hundred and forty innings at.
Speaker 18: Season, got the decision party seem.
Speaker 12: Just can't read st Yeah, I think it's part of that, right,
Speaker 12: it's part of like, hey, how can we win now?
Speaker 12: But knowing like we expect Noah to pitch quality ings
Speaker 12: for us like later in the year and hopefully into
Speaker 12: the playoffs, so like making sure he's in a good
Speaker 12: spot from the innings limit, like works on those things.
Speaker 6: And then again like he's gonna be a big part
Speaker 6: of us. Yeah, No, they've been.
Speaker 12: They've been obviously pitching really well down there obviously, like
Speaker 12: you know, it's in a fresh powerful arms coming out
Speaker 12: of the pen, so that's gonna be good.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 6: Hagan's you know, made.
Speaker 12: Some like slight changes coming off the il and stuff
Speaker 12: like that with the cutter and the delivery, Like, oh,
Speaker 12: that's in a good spot and like.
Speaker 6: Hopefully we'll see them over the next couple of days.
Speaker 9: When no was so good at the start of the year,
Speaker 9: what kind of does you send them back to, like
Speaker 9: kind of working some things mechanically where you've seen maybe
Speaker 9: drift from where he was, you like like to see
Speaker 9: him get back to.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think it's specifically the slot's got a little lower,
Speaker 12: a little scoopier right, which then affects the four seam
Speaker 12: doesn't have much ride. So like I think getting the
Speaker 12: slot a little bit more upright, a little bit taller
Speaker 12: in the in the setup affects the you know, adds
Speaker 12: VVV to the four seam.
Speaker 6: It helps kind of the whole arsenal kind of playoff
Speaker 6: in that like kind of east west range.
Speaker 9: He's comfortable as in the east west sky, but like
Speaker 9: do you want like to have the four singer to
Speaker 9: have the little definitely breaking bolted so if he just
Speaker 9: have that element of north south.
Speaker 12: But he wants to, Yeah, it just allows them to
Speaker 12: get above and below the barrel. Right Obviously, like everything's
Speaker 12: here and we're gonna definitely like play into that.
Speaker 6: But having something that.
Speaker 12: Goes above the barrel with the four seam and below
Speaker 12: the barrel with the slider football, you know, adds another
Speaker 12: element to the mix.
Speaker 11: We've that's a lot of them, a lot about him,
Speaker 11: because your opening based starter is Shane Smith's still kind
Speaker 11: of in the mixed veere for sure.
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, definitely communicate with Shane.
Speaker 12: We're pretty locked in, right, He's working through some things, right,
Speaker 12: there's some some some positives in there. It's just I
Speaker 12: think generally just getting more consistent because obviously you guys
Speaker 12: saw last year how dominict he can be and again
Speaker 12: still part of the future forms for sure.
Speaker 18: What if he takes a.
Speaker 12: Bush man the sinker and the change up for real?
Speaker 6: The guy like wants to pitch, he wants to post.
Speaker 6: He's very easy going.
Speaker 12: I think he's gonna fit in great, but like we're
Speaker 12: gonna lean on the sinker and change up for sure?
Speaker 9: What kind of makes this change up so special that
Speaker 9: it's you know, taken.
Speaker 11: Off him this way?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think he can like throw it to like
Speaker 6: good locations.
Speaker 12: It's got like late action, right, I think the ability
Speaker 12: to like just combo both of those like you maybe
Speaker 12: think like O the sinker change up kind of similar
Speaker 12: move movement, but like able to contrast that I think is.
Speaker 6: Gonna be like it has been, you know, good for
Speaker 6: him and continue to be good for him.
Speaker 2: What does he say about.
Speaker 6: Multiple of the other night is constantly.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean it's a great resource for us. I
Speaker 12: think what you see is like how Grant takes care
Speaker 12: of his body, how routine oriented, so he can do
Speaker 12: that right, he can throw two ups right and then
Speaker 12: one day off and come back in and like obviously
Speaker 12: Fila was in a good spot.
Speaker 6: Shapes and are a good spot.
Speaker 12: So like credit to him of all the preparation that
Speaker 12: goes into it to be able to do this consistently.
Speaker 6: Throughout the year.
Speaker 9: How rare is his curt ball in terms of how
Speaker 9: much movement if you get on it well, being as
Speaker 9: hard in the mid eighties as.
Speaker 12: It is, it's it's a unicorn pitch, right, and then
Speaker 12: I would layer on ability to throw it in the
Speaker 12: zone too, right, he can dump that thing in, oh right,
Speaker 12: and he can.
Speaker 6: Get a blow for the strike. So like guys have
Speaker 6: to honor that plus ninety eight ninety nine, like you
Speaker 6: got to pick one, and like obviously like a lot
Speaker 6: of guys were in between on him.
Speaker 9: He was saying, like sometimes he sets his target like
Speaker 9: at the top of the catcher's head because that's how
Speaker 9: much it drops to like get in the zone. Is
Speaker 9: that do you see, like the way he's kind of
Speaker 9: able to calibrate to land in those strips.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 12: No, I we talk a lot about starting points and
Speaker 12: lanes and stuff like that, and Grant's a perfect example
Speaker 12: of that. Sometimes you got to start that up and
Speaker 12: like sometimes maybe it ends up, but then it's a
Speaker 12: take pitch too. So it's like, definitely a good tunnel.
Speaker 6: Off the four.
Speaker 18: Really is that something? Thats what it was?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 12: No, I yeah, I think, Like again, don't lose sight
Speaker 12: how dominant he is, but he also is the second
Speaker 12: year in the league, right, so like being able to
Speaker 12: lean on those guys that have been at that understand
Speaker 12: the ups and downs, the routine in between pitches and
Speaker 12: in between outings, and how to stay consistent, like those
Speaker 12: guys are gonna have been a great addition.
Speaker 6: I think that's where Castile will also come.
Speaker 12: In for the starters too, right, obviously young starters and
Speaker 12: just knowing how to navigate a season and playoffs and
Speaker 12: all that stuff.
Speaker 11: You're obviously focused on winning the division going to the playoffs,
Speaker 11: wan Wer of the series in the future, could Grant
Speaker 11: still have starter potential?
Speaker 6: You think, Oh, I think so. Yeah.
Speaker 12: I think it's just conversations that we had in the
Speaker 12: off season, right, We've talked about obviously the innings are
Speaker 12: up there for a reliever, so there's definitely conversations we're
Speaker 12: gonna have in the off season for sure.
Speaker 9: Bert John Burke, I think looks like your traditional like
Speaker 9: high four seam puts breaking balls out of it. But
Speaker 9: when you talked to him, he's really like loves like
Speaker 9: commanding his two seamer, and he loves kind of like
Speaker 9: locating his basketball down. Like how if he seems like
Speaker 9: he's willing to expand his game in a.
Speaker 6: Way that you know has taken off for him for sure.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think like maybe historically he's known himself in
Speaker 12: the league as like a north South guy, like for
Speaker 12: seams up in her ball, and that is still.
Speaker 6: Part of his identity. But being able to out the cutter.
Speaker 12: To the mix now the sinker down away to lefties,
Speaker 12: the slider's been really good right to lefties and to righty's.
Speaker 12: So it's like, again, I think it goes along with
Speaker 12: like just giving the offense multiple problems to solve.
Speaker 6: Throw to multiple different locations. Right, it's tough to cover
Speaker 6: all those as a hitter.
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