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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance podcast. Tonight.

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Speaker 1: We are in beautiful Big Sky, Montana, Montucky as some

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Speaker 1: people call it, and what we're doing here is we

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Speaker 1: just completed the World Elk Calling Championships put on by

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Speaker 1: the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, and I didn't compete, but

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Speaker 1: we have four world champion elk calling callers if you

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Speaker 1: will in the house tonight. First off, we've got Jermaine Hodge,

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Speaker 1: we got Tony Gilbertson, and we got Eric Berglan. The last,

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Speaker 1: but not least, Dirk Durham. May or may not know this.

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Speaker 1: I'm a world elk calling champion too. I just don't

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Speaker 1: really like to toot my horn about it. I'm I

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Speaker 1: like to focus on the hunt, and so do these guys.

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Speaker 1: But it's fun to compete. It's fun to get up there,

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Speaker 1: show your stuff and see where you stack up against

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Speaker 1: the best of the best. And today there was some upsets,

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Speaker 1: some stuff that we didn't expect. And I always go

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Speaker 1: back to these contests. It's so subjective, it's it's got

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Speaker 1: the human element. You have a panel of seven judges,

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Speaker 1: they say who they like the best, and if after

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Speaker 1: talking to the judges, you find out they're not all

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Speaker 1: looking for the same thing. They're not like on this

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Speaker 1: this even keel board of things that they're looking for.

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Speaker 1: You know, one guy might say, no, I'm really looking

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Speaker 1: for really well executed calls, very articulate, no fails. It

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Speaker 1: sounds good, sounds sounds realistic like an elk, but it's flawless.

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Speaker 1: And another guy says, no, no, no, no, I'm not looking

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Speaker 1: for that. I'm looking for natural, authentic elk sounds. So

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Speaker 1: in the end, it can be anybody's game. But with

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Speaker 1: that being said, you can't win this without putting in

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Speaker 1: the work. And these three guys, I have said with

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Speaker 1: me right here, I'd argue they're they're they're the best

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Speaker 1: of the best. They are, they're world champions. And not

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Speaker 1: only are the world champion el colors, they're pretty damn

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Speaker 1: good guys and good elk hunters too. So last fall

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Speaker 1: we sent these guys on the quest. Now, Jermaine Hodge, Germaine,

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Speaker 1: what do you think about North Idaho?

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Speaker 2: Well, well, first, first of all, you know, I didn't

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Speaker 2: start hunting milk until two thousand and six, and I

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Speaker 2: hunted all of Colorado, most of all of Colorado, and

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Speaker 2: I will tell you, I had an expectation of thick,

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Speaker 2: but not like like I imagine thick, but not as

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Speaker 2: thick as it was. And then I didn't. I was

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Speaker 2: expecting like the he was to kind of gradually go up. No, No,

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Speaker 2: that was some stuff. I think the highest peak where

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Speaker 2: we were was like five thousand something feet.

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Speaker 1: I mean that mountain range the highest peak seven thousand feet,

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Speaker 1: but most of other peaks around are about six thousand sixty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not as high. And uh, you know, Colorado

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Speaker 2: Springs in Colorado is like fifty seven My buddy Pats

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Speaker 2: is like nine thousand feet, and then my house is

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Speaker 2: like forty eight hundred feet. So we're you know, we're

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Speaker 2: basically camped out at some of those highest peaks out there,

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Speaker 2: and when we go in Colorado, we're based camping at

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Speaker 2: like ten to three.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: I think I took Tony through some of that my

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Speaker 2: neck of the woods here a few weeks ago, and

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Speaker 2: we're like ten to three and we're hunting eleven a

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Speaker 2: eight ten eight eleven eight is where all those But

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Speaker 2: but it's not it's a gradual clime, right, but the

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Speaker 2: peaks are way higher. It's just gradual clime, North Idaho

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Speaker 2: mean bush.

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Speaker 3: It was some Avatar stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's a jungle.

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Speaker 2: It was you know when the Avatar was that commandery

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Speaker 2: came out. He's like, Avatar mean bush.

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Speaker 3: Idaho mean bush?

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Speaker 1: Well Tony. You come from western Oregon, yep, So you're

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Speaker 1: kind of accustomed to brush. What do you think?

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Speaker 4: So I am accustomed to brush, but it's it's different.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 4: The brush we got back home is number one. That's thick,

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Speaker 4: so similar to North Idaho. There's a lot of stuff

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Speaker 4: that pokia. I mean, we got all kinds of things

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Speaker 4: in North Idaho, I don't know what that That low

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Speaker 1: Definitely that's it's either all that stuff is real tight

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Speaker 1: and scratchy. That's that stuff. Well yeah, that stuff murders.

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Speaker 1: It'll rip the clothes right off.

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Speaker 4: Well not only that, but you can't just like there's

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Speaker 4: But trying to go through there, man, my my hip flexers.

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Speaker 4: After going through that stuff up there, we're chasing that

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Speaker 4: then on top of that, you got that bear grass.

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Speaker 4: It's wet, it's even worse. It was. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 4: I can't tell. I can't count the times I ended

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Speaker 3: I was on my butt more than I was on

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Speaker 5: That was bad.

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Speaker 4: It was bad and steep. I mean, we've got some

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Speaker 4: steep country back home too, but we don't gain the

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Speaker 4: kind of elevation that you guys gained north. That fast

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Speaker 1: Well, they say if you were to flatten out Idaho,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know who they are, but they say,

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Speaker 1: if you flatten out Idaho, you would have a state

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Speaker 1: and how deep the valleys are.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was steep.

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Speaker 2: There's some steep, nasty country.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that one, well, we can get to that later.

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Speaker 4: But that that I'm never chasing bulls with you again.

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Speaker 4: By the way, most of dark No, yes, no, that

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Speaker 4: was we almost died.

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Speaker 6: It was nip and tu But did you die?

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Speaker 1: Well, now, Eric, he hunts us this place every year,

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Speaker 1: so you know what you knew what to expect you

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Speaker 5: It was, uh, it was, it was. It was definitely surprising.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 5: I knew Tony Tony, you know Western Oregon, you know

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Speaker 5: some similar feelings towards it. And as far as like

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Speaker 5: the elevation, the steepness, you know, I thought, you know, Jermaine,

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Speaker 5: you know, I thought we'd do fine, you know, and

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Speaker 5: we did do fine.

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Speaker 1: But.

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Speaker 5: You know, I know, I know Jermaine and his engine,

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Speaker 5: and to see him, you know, humbled by the northern

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Speaker 5: this is no joke, but.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to break his kneecaps, like and you stay,

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Speaker 4: we were there and if our and if our our

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Speaker 4: listeners don't know, Jermaine is an elite athlete, you know,

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Speaker 4: all American wrestler.

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Speaker 1: Right, this guy he's got wheels and he's got lungs

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Speaker 1: to go anywhere. He looks, he looks, he looks unstoppable, right,

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Speaker 1: But so that makes me feel pretty good that a

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Speaker 1: it's not for the week of faint of heart.

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Speaker 5: It's physically, mentally and emotionally taxing.

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Speaker 1: Yes, especially you.

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Speaker 5: Know when you're out, when you're out in that country,

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Speaker 5: day in and day out for weeks on. In chasing bulls,

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Speaker 5: you get close and the wind wind screws you over

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Speaker 5: what have you, you know, and you drop twelve hundred

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Speaker 5: back out and sometimes, you know, flirting with doing that twice,

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Speaker 2: We got into some sketchy stuff.

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Speaker 5: It's it's humbling man, it'll it'll, it'll smoke your your

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Speaker 5: lamborfis real quick a couple of times. Joke.

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Speaker 1: So the reason we sent the Phelps team sent these

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Speaker 1: guys on this mission. These guys came together and each

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Speaker 1: one of them devised their own signature ELK call. They

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Speaker 1: wanted to you know, I got a couple of Maverick

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Speaker 1: fans here, you know, the best call ever invented, of course,

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Speaker 1: which is my call. Eric and Tony love the Maverick Germaine.

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Speaker 1: He was more of a white amp guy. But they all,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm like, oh, it'll be good, it'll be good,

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Speaker 1: and there's it can be really good and it can

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Speaker 1: be really bad. So if you're in the wrong drainage,

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Speaker 1: there won't be an elk, and there's never haven't been

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Speaker 1: But they wanted to put these calls to the test,

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Speaker 1: so each guy devised their own elk call. They have

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Speaker 1: Elk calls are so so they're so personal. Each person

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Speaker 1: I in my mind, I thought, great, we're gonna get

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Speaker 1: three Mavericks. Three more Mavericks come out, But they were

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Speaker 1: anything but Mavericks. So we sent them on this Like

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Speaker 1: what was your tony, what was your anticipation, what was

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Speaker 1: your what was your thoughts of this hunt? What did

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Speaker 1: What you had some things that going through your mind?

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Speaker 1: What what was this going to be? Like?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think you know, for me, I've known Eric

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Speaker 4: and I've known Jermaine for a few years now.

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Speaker 6: But I've never hunted with them.

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Speaker 4: And when you hunt with somebody, you develop a different

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Speaker 4: kind of relationship. I mean, you go through a hunting

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Speaker 4: develop a relationship that's unlike most relationship for friendships that

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Speaker 4: you have with other people. I mean, you you really

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Speaker 4: you have to support each other. Uh, it's a lot

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Speaker 4: And I didn't either. I mean, I kne they were

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Speaker 4: great guys, but going into this, I was thinking, well, this,

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Speaker 4: this could be either really bad or it could be

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Speaker 4: really good because you get you get the kind of

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Speaker 4: that say, you know, I think my style is the best,

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Speaker 4: you can have conflict, and we didn't have any of that.

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Speaker 4: You know, everybody, I think all three of us have

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Speaker 4: the kind of personality that's just like, let's just let's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just just see how things go. So that was

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Speaker 4: the first thing. I knew that North Ida was steep.

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Speaker 4: It was. You're exactly right. But I got to tell you, man, you,

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Speaker 5: Just I just I wanted I wanted it to I

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Speaker 2: We know, we all judge ourselves hard than everybody else.

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Speaker 1: But that's how that's why I think that that that's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but your great time might be bugle and milk everywhere.

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Speaker 3: That's why we kind of did there.

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Speaker 2: We we we were on like weekly or bi weekly

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Speaker 2: We came together every freaking day day, every day, and

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Speaker 4: There well like, and it creates friction.

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Speaker 2: It creates friction, It creates friction, and that was never

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Speaker 2: rent and repeat. My point is is that the group

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Speaker 4: We learned a ton and regardless it was a successful hunt,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in a new area. Uh. You talk about like expectations,

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Speaker 2: In different places that we're not even used to with

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Speaker 4: I said, right directly in our face, and all of

434
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 4: a sudden at the back of your neck.

435
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 6: Oh hard all the time, hard.

436
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 4: And the woods would just erupt and those.

437
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm at that country so broken like that

438
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: just has such unpredictable thermals.

439
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 2: You know, do you think do you think it's because

440
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 2: the timber cut that they do.

441
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. I feel like if you

442
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: look at the grand scheme of things, you look at

443
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: the main ridge line the watershed divide, and then you

444
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: watch the fingers and the ridges that come off the

445
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: watershed divide, and then you see how it breaks up.

446
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: It's like it's like a convolution. I mean, you picture

447
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: the air going up it or going down it, and

448
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: every one of those little ridges and fingers create disturbance

449
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: and turbulence, and so you're gonna get these weird winds.

450
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 1: And then if you get some days where you have

451
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 1: those big clouds that go over cool and cool the ground, well,

452
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: then as soon as those clouds go over and you

453
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: get like a little thermal cool right there, right where

454
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 1: you're standing, but you know, three hundred yards away, it's

455
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: still bright, hot sun that just screws the wind all

456
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 1: up again. So man, it's tough in some of that country.

457
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 2: And it's so thick too, so someone that that tree

458
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 2: growth is blocking that sun and then you get like

459
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: a little swirl going on.

460
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, well it's like yeah, we you know, we dropped.

461
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 5: You know, we dropped multiple times. You know, in the afternoon,

462
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 5: you know, wind's coming up and we maybe dropped down

463
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 5: into a bowl. And a lot of times, even if

464
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 5: that wind's coming up, as soon as you hit those

465
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 5: trees where you get close to the water, that wind

466
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 5: will start pulling down like a funnel through that bowl

467
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 5: and suck down through the bottom, you know. And so

468
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 5: it's like there was a couple of times when we

469
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 5: would we would drop down with the wind coming up,

470
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 5: and then you know, we get it start to get

471
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 5: into the trees, and we would try to make up,

472
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 5: you know, locate the elk and try to make a

473
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 5: big loop around and try to get you know, below them,

474
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 5: thinking that the wind's going to pull down that bowl

475
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 5: like a you know, like a funnel kind of. And

476
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 5: then you get into a patch of trees of this

477
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 5: open sunlight and now all of a sudden boom thermal

478
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 5: switch and it's coming back up and it's it's really unpredictable.

479
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 4: It's a tough cutry it. It does remind me of

480
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 4: a little bit back home in that respect too, because

481
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 4: like you said, Dirk, we we've got the same I

482
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 4: mean again, not not as big a country in most places,

483
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 4: but you talk about finger ridges, they're like everywhere. Man,

484
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 4: when you're hunting roosevelts on the coast, you got a

485
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 4: bugle like every few hundred yards.

486
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: Because because when ridge can block that whole sound.

487
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,239
Speaker 4: The ridge, the trees, forge all the brush, it just

488
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 4: deadens that sound. But but the but the wind, we

489
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 4: have the same problem. It's just unpredictable. You can't you

490
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 4: can't really depend on it.

491
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't have that problem in Colorado. We do

492
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 2: have a lot of wind, Don't get me wrong. But

493
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 2: but it's but it's it's more consistent. It's more consistent.

494
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: You always get those swirly winds, but it's just a

495
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 2: little bit more consistent, I believe, versus Idaho where we were,

496
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 2: and uh yeah, I.

497
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 5: Might be right.

498
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 2: There's just those fingers and it just it could whip

499
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: in and through that stuff. It's really weird.

500
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: Just doesn't run straight lines. Now, if you can get

501
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: a big high ridge with not a lot of fingers,

502
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: it's a big you know, you got a thousand foot

503
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: elevation change, but it's a big, clean ridge, almost like

504
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 1: a hog back ridge. Man. You can get some pretty

505
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: consistent wins a lot of times on those kind of places.

506
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 1: But I found those places that are broken with fingerage

507
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: after fingeradge after fingerage, the finger again to split again

508
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: as they go. Man, it is it's super tough. And

509
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: I don't know how many times I've been fouled on

510
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: really giant bulls, like as they're coming in, like they

511
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 1: need to just show themselves. There's like almost showing themselves,

512
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: and then the wind switches and it's a game over.

513
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: You know, you say, you say that dirt, but but

514
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 2: you and everybody else knows that probably the biggest reason

515
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: why some of those bulls that there is food, water,

516
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 2: and hey man, they can pay attention to their back.

517
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: Yep.

518
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, they ain't gonta worry about things because they could

519
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 2: smell it on a quick.

520
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 5: That's why they're in there. Yeah, exactly. Either they don't know.

521
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 4: But those calls worked, they did, they worked.

522
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, they were.

523
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 2: Awesome in the field, tested and improved.

524
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 6: So I have a question.

525
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: Okay, this is going to be one that might ruffle feathers.

526
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: Who in the group would you say was the pickiest

527
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: guy on the call? Development who spent the most time

528
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: being a butt picker? And like, no, can we change this? No, no,

529
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: any quite, can we can we change this?

530
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 6: I know who it is, but I want to see

531
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 6: I want to see who.

532
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 5: I'll admit it. I think I was pretty I mean

533
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 5: I think I was. I was pretty picky.

534
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 6: I don't think it was because there was always because.

535
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 5: I felt bad because we were like, okay, you know,

536
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,239
Speaker 5: you guys happier with everything, Yep, yep, we're good, and

537
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 5: then Jason's like okay, and then you know, a month

538
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 5: or two later, it was like, okay, you got sure

539
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 5: you're happy, you know, because we're about to make these

540
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 5: things finals Like, well, I'll be that jerk. I'm like, actually,

541
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 5: can I can we do this?

542
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 2: You know?

543
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 3: Tell me was Jason's house? Yeah, he was picky.

544
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, dude. I couldn't. I couldn't help it. My

545
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 4: O c D. I when I put a call in

546
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 4: my mouth and it doesn't sound just right, like like

547
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 4: I got an ear for this stuff, and if it

548
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 4: doesn't sound just right. But the thing is is I

549
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 4: get some I put one in my mouth and I

550
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 4: blow it for the first few times, sounds so good,

551
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 4: and I blow on it a little bit longer, and

552
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, that top ends cutting out on me.

553
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 4: So what I found was what I had hoped to

554
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 4: get out of these calls. No, I love the Maverick

555
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 4: and I can make Here's the thing I won. I

556
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 4: won the men's division with the Maverick. I'd hunted with

557
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 4: it for years and years and years. That call I

558
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 4: had to I had to kind of back off on

559
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 4: my style of calling to get it.

560
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: To work, because you blow hard.

561
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 4: I blow hard. Now I can make any of them work,

562
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 4: But when I'm hunting or if I'm competing, I don't

563
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 4: want to think about it. I don't want to have

564
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 4: to think about toning down the amount of air pressure

565
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 4: volume that I usually to make that call work when

566
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 4: I'm on the stage especially, but when I'm in the woods,

567
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,479
Speaker 4: you know, I want to when the time comes when

568
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 4: you need to challenge that bull, I need a call

569
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 4: that's going to hold up to as much air pressure

570
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 4: and volume that I can put against that call to

571
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 4: absolutely challenge that bull and just punch him right in

572
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 4: the face. And that's and I'd get that point. I

573
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 4: think i'd get it. And I'm like, and then again,

574
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 4: it would it would loosen up on me. I need

575
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 4: a call that's going to stand up, not only duration wise,

576
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 4: for you know, maybe a week I was going through calls.

577
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 4: I go through a call a day. If I got

578
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 4: into a good, good batch of bulls, and I was

579
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 4: doing a lot of calling, and I did almost all

580
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 4: the calling and over the years with my partners, so

581
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 4: I go through a lot of calls. But yeah, I

582
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 4: would get it to where I was thinking, would think

583
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 4: it was right and and I and I was like, God, Jason, Gosh,

584
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 4: I got to call this guy. I gotta call Jason again.

585
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: He's going to be pissed. This is there's no way

586
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: that you were pickier than me.

587
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 4: That's what he said.

588
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 6: That's exactly what And that's what I told you, guys.

589
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, I'm the pickiest guy on planet Earth.

590
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: So please pick these things apart, make sure you love them.

591
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: They're everything you want for you period. Well, be selfish,

592
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: build up for exactly what you want.

593
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 2: Well, all of our styles are so different.

594
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, and you were used to that white am right.

595
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 4: I mean, and that that that call worked for you.

596
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 4: I mean, you made that call work according to your

597
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 4: style really well.

598
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: Right, But I was getting to the point where for me,

599
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 2: I was in between. I don't even want to toot

600
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: your horn right now. I was in between my horn. No,

601
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: I gotta say it, I gotta say it. I don't

602
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: even want to say it matter, but you just look

603
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 2: at it. Well, I was in between, like like, I

604
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 2: called in a number of bulls, shoot. I think twenty

605
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 2: one was like thirty two bulls with this white amp.

606
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 2: But I was blowing it out way more, not because

607
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 2: because of my style of blowing, blow hard aggressive. I'm

608
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: on it all the time, and I was blowing them out.

609
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 2: And then I grabbed the maverick because I was good

610
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 2: at the Maverick anyways, not to his horn or anything,

611
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 2: but I was. I was good at that.

612
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 4: Are you gonna do it? Are seriously gonna do that?

613
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 4: Right now?

614
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 3: I was just waiting for.

615
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 2: Him to put his fingers on my lip and I

616
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 2: was gonna bite it. So so anyways, no, I was

617
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 2: right in there between it, but his was lasting longer

618
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 2: for me. So once I threw a couple of Bibles

619
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 2: through the Maverick, I was like, are you kidding me?

620
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 2: And then I wanted something that was just like that,

621
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 2: but right there in between the like two of them.

622
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 2: So if I actually blew the white amp and the Maverick,

623
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: I feel like it's really close. I think the white

624
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: amp is gonna break break in a little bit faster

625
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: than that Maverick. That Maverick might take me a few

626
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 2: few more bugles to get it to sound right, especially

627
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 2: for my cow sounds, and then boom. As soon as

628
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,919
Speaker 2: you did that with the Maverick, it was like through

629
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 2: that thing is money. But that white amp was right there.

630
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 2: But I was just blowing out the white amp. So

631
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: I wanted something in between the two for myself.

632
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: Basically, if the white amp and the Maverick had a

633
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: baby the hot.

634
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 2: Yes, it's the Hodge. It fits right there, I believe

635
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: if it's right there in between, because I can blow

636
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 2: the Maverick right now and then blow my call and

637
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: it's it's It's a difference, definitely a difference. But it

638
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 2: wasn't so dramatic that it wasn't like overkill.

639
00:35:52,880 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: It was the baby. Yeah, and Jermaine will say he's

640
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: coming after the king, right. Everyone knows the Mavericks is

641
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: the king of diaphragms. And I don't make this up.

642
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: The statistics, you know, speak for themselves. Phelps wishes his

643
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: pink diaphragm col could live up to the Maverick. But

644
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: it's still the king on top of the heat. But

645
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: Hodge is always said, I'm coming for the Maverick, I'm

646
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: coming from the King.

647
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: Well I can't even say that now. The king is

648
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 2: sitting to my left right here.

649
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 6: Tony.

650
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 3: Tony's the king right now, especially on the world stage.

651
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: He is the reigning world champion professional elk caller. Hey,

652
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: can we he got crowned today?

653
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 2: Can we can we eat him around easier to see?

654
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, dude.

655
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 4: I was, I'm still really I'm having a hard time

656
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 4: like wrapping my head around it, because the caliber of

657
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 4: the callers that that I had to go up against.

658
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: You had a perfect day. Man. I watched the whole thing.

659
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: You called against the best of the best and eliminated

660
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: each one of them. And for the end you had

661
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: to eliminate. Didn't you have to bugle against both twice? No?

662
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: Just once? But you beat them all. You beat the

663
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: best of the best unless of your routine. And every

664
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: time it was just like money, It was money, It

665
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: was money. And how do you do that practice? Like?

666
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: How many how much practice do you put in a week? Oh?

667
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 4: Man, I wish my wife was here. She could tell

668
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 4: you better than not kid.

669
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: Well, I could say, I can tell you right now.

670
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: You priory practice way more than me and Eric. I

671
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 2: know I've backed off a little bit myself.

672
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, So people ask me that a lot. How do

673
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 4: you get how do you get to the point where

674
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 4: you can make the sounds that you make and call

675
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 4: as well as you do? And I'll tell you. I

676
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 4: so I've got about a forty forty five minute commute

677
00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 4: every morning, and I grabbed my I'd grab my bugle

678
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 4: tube and the whole time between the time I leave

679
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 4: my house and time I get to work, I've got

680
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 4: a diaphragmut of my mouth. And then when I get

681
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 4: home in the evenings, I'm out in the garage. We're

682
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 4: out in the backyard this time of year, come leading

683
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:28,439
Speaker 4: up to the contest, especially, I can't countless hours, Dirk.

684
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 4: I mean, it was I gotta say, I don't know

685
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 4: that the year that I won the men's division, I

686
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 4: practiced way more than I did this year. I mean,

687
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 4: but that was the first year that I had started

688
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 4: competing again after a long time and didn't really know

689
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 4: what to expect. But every day, every day, for even

690
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 4: if it was fifteen to twenty minutes, I'd go through

691
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 4: my routine. And that's what it takes. I mean, if

692
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 4: if you want to if you want to be competitive

693
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 4: on that stage against those kind of callers, you have to.

694
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 2: It's the field is so deep.

695
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,479
Speaker 4: Compared to what it used to be. I mean, Derek,

696
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 4: you and I competed against each other way back, you know,

697
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 4: in the early two thousands. Compared to compared to what

698
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 4: I remember those contests to be compared to what they

699
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 4: are now, it's crazy. It is crazy. But the skill,

700
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 4: the talent that these people.

701
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 2: I mean it almost starts at a younger age too,

702
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 2: because you see you see you see the pee wee,

703
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 2: you see the youth like all.

704
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: These you are coming up and they're coming after us.

705
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 2: Please take my spot. I'll go kill the elk you

706
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 2: just called them in kind of things and that those

707
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: those kids are amazing well, and I would say this,

708
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 2: it's primarily because of you know, someone like Birk and us,

709
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 2: you know, sharing photos and videos of stuff that we

710
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 2: do that encourages those kids and they want to get

711
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 2: on one of the big stage too, and they're they're

712
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: just as good.

713
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 4: H You know the other thing, Dirk, I got to say.

714
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 4: I was talking to one of the judges after the

715
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 4: contest today and uh, they're wanting to know, you know,

716
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 4: how I how I could be as consistent as I

717
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 4: was and and the cow cals that I were making

718
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 4: if it if it hadn't been for me being as

719
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 4: picky as I was through this process of developing these calls,

720
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 4: I don't think I could have done what I did

721
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 4: today because I didn't. I left nothing on the table.

722
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 4: I mean, I went through my routine that I've been

723
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 4: practicing for months now, and I put as much air

724
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 4: pressure involving behind that call as that call would take

725
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 4: and it it didn't break on me.

726
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 5: No, it was no and it.

727
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 2: Was freaking perfect. You know.

728
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 5: Another another kudos that I would like to give to

729
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 5: you too, Tony, is you know we're all preparing for

730
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 5: you know, the world's or any coming competition for that.

731
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 5: You know, matter of fact, you know, we're going through

732
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 5: a daily last we're going to you know, we're going

733
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 5: to work in the morning. I also have about a

734
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 5: forty forty minute commute to work, you know, so I'll

735
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 5: practice a little bit in the morning and then on

736
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 5: my way home usually hit it, you know, the whole way,

737
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 5: hit it hard. And for you we're listening to ourselves

738
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 5: day in and day out. We don't have anybody else

739
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 5: to critique us on our routine or the cow calls

740
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 5: that we're making, or the different types of bugles that

741
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 5: we're making. I mean, we're we're going off you know,

742
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 5: YouTube videos or hunts or you know elk being recorded

743
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 5: in the field, us trying to mimic them, you know,

744
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 5: us practice practicing our own calls and hoping they're authentic enough.

745
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 5: The quality is there so to be able to do

746
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 5: what you did today with you being your own you know,

747
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 5: your own critic in a sense, is that's amazing to

748
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 5: me because when you get on stage and you may

749
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 5: have a different panel of judges, or the judges might

750
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 5: be the same and then maybe one or two different,

751
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 5: you don't know exactly what they're looking for. So you

752
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 5: come into these competitions hoping with the routine or the

753
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 5: calls or whatever that you put together, that that that

754
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 5: that's gonna that that's going to contend, that's going to

755
00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 5: be you know, good enough.

756
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you don't know no idea.

757
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 5: It's not like they come out before the contest and say, okay, contestants,

758
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 5: we're looking on authenticity, consistency, something that Oxford socks off,

759
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 5: you know, and whatever else.

760
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:13,959
Speaker 2: So yeah, you know, you're exactly right.

761
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, we all prepare and you just hope they're buying

762
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: what we're selling exactly. And I said, I've said it

763
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: one hundred times because I've competed in this thing. I

764
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,919
Speaker 1: didn't compete today, haven't competed for a while, but I've

765
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: competed a lot over the years, and it is anybody's game, absolutely,

766
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: because it don't matter how good you sound to you

767
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: or good how good you sound to your buddies or

768
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,439
Speaker 1: how good do you sound to the people in the room.

769
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 1: If the judges don't like it, they're going to pick

770
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: somebody else. But if they do like it, they're going.

771
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 3: To pick it, which makes it tough.

772
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: It makes it tough.

773
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 6: It's hard to start.

774
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: It's almost like studying for exam, and then they change

775
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: the questions at the end.

776
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 4: Right, you just don't know, Well, you said it earlier, Derek,

777
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 4: that you know it is. It's it's subjective, Yeah, you know.

778
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 4: I mean you you don't know the experience of each

779
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 4: one of those judges have have had, you know, throughout

780
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 4: their careers. And I made this analogy today, you know,

781
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 4: I mean, how many people do you know that think

782
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 4: they're a really good singer but they're not?

783
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 6: Right?

784
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know. I mean it's kind of like that.

785
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 4: I I they experienced that, and and you just don't

786
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 4: ever know. I would hate to be a judge. I mean,

787
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 4: those guys have got to That's a tough job of

788
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 4: any of us sitting back there all day long, listening

789
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 4: to all of us two on our horns, and then

790
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 4: trying to pick the best out of out of the

791
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 4: two that went.

792
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: I would say this, it's very hard when you get

793
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 2: to like the top eight, top eight in men's division,

794
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 2: women's division, if women, if women had eight this year,

795
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, hypothet cool reasons if all of them

796
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 2: had top eight. Once you get to like the top eight,

797
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 2: it's tough.

798
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: Man, and then you narrow you narrow it down to

799
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: the last four, You narrow it down to the last two.

800
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: Like they're talking to some of the judgement, they all

801
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: take notes right as as you go through your performance,

802
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: and they taking notes. And if you if you're read

803
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: breaks just a little bit, they're gonna write that down.

804
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: And if and if if you make something that's just

805
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: that they don't like, they write it down. And if

806
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: it's that so close, well they look at the notes like,

807
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: well tip for tat, this guy had fewer marks by

808
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 1: their name, so I'm gonna pick them.

809
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: Well, I mean yeah, I mean for example, like I

810
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: knew when I broke over on that lip ball, I

811
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 2: was like, it's done. I said, I'm listening. This dude's

812
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: just as good as me. I said, I said, I'm

813
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: doing And it was a four to three match. That

814
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 2: does an example, Well, I got hey, man, his lip

815
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: ball broke over, and.

816
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: When you do that, you're like, man, I hope they

817
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: didn't catch that, man?

818
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 6: Were they sleeping?

819
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: So I don't know if our listeners know what actually

820
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: goes into building a call, a custom call, or a

821
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: signature call. So whenever I did it, and you guys

822
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:25,439
Speaker 1: probably had a similar experience, Jason Phelips built I don't

823
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: know how many twenty thirty calls he made mine with

824
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: all these different latexes because he knew I kind of

825
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: knew what I wanted, but I didn't really know what

826
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: I wanted. So he built like thin late text, he

827
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: built thick light text, he built medium light text. Then

828
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: he did put different colors of those same thickness as

829
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: of late text. Then he had different stretches of the

830
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: different stretches within each of those categories.

831
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 3: You might have been worse than Tonys might have been

832
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 3: the same as yours, Dick.

833
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: It was. It was hard, and I would I just

834
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: sat out at the table. I pick one up and

835
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: I blow it, and I had a yes pile and

836
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: a no pile, Yep, nope, yep nope, and I go

837
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: back through it and I'm like, oh, I'm gonna go

838
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: all the way through all the yeses, and when I

839
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: get through the yes is to where I can whittle

840
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: it down. Now I have some very specific things I

841
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: have to get out of this call. There's there's a

842
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: few little different nuanced bugles I like, and it has

843
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 1: to have to It has to make the right sound

844
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: at the right time during the bugle, whether it's the

845
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: drop off, like you hit that high note and then

846
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 1: you drop off back to the low. Some of those

847
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: they'll cut out or buzz on you or you know so.

848
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: And then some latexes, different colors of latex and the

849
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 1: same thickness would would not be as articulate as others,

850
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: and some would be too articulate. I'm like, that's way

851
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: too much, too much articulation. I want the one that's

852
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: just just right, like you said, I don't want to

853
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: have to think about it. I want to put this

854
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: in here and blow it like I blow it, and

855
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: it's going to do everything. And after I don't know,

856
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 1: I went through that first round and I'm like, all right,

857
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: this is kind of what I like. So then you

858
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: had to send me a whole bunch more of those

859
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: similar until we landed on the map.

860
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 5: It's not it's not just you know, oh it's just

861
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 5: latex and aluminum powlet plate. It's like, no, it's way

862
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 5: more than that.

863
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 4: Well, in the in the thing that I learned through

864
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 4: this process because I was so picky, you can get

865
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 4: a batch of latex that's at a certain thickness supposedly,

866
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 4: and it can vary in that batch.

867
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it can be pleasure minded exactly.

868
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 4: So I think that's where you know, the yes and

869
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 4: nopile come comes from. Is that you. And there's also

870
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 4: the human element, right, I mean you've got to you've

871
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 4: got a device that will measure you know, the stretch,

872
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 4: the side stretch. But you know, each of us, I think,

873
00:48:55,200 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 4: have a little bit of you know, different nuances or

874
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 4: or backtension that we like based on our style, and

875
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 4: you can't measure that. So it's it's like all by

876
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 4: feel or by sight, and it's hard to replicate that

877
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 4: perfectly every time, right, you know, So it there was

878
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 4: I mean I learned a lot through this process. I'm

879
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 4: still learning, uh as a result of it. But you

880
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 4: know it's uh, you're right. I mean it really does

881
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 4: take a lot of effort and time to go through

882
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 4: all those calls and find the one that is just

883
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 4: it's perfect for you and and and Derek, I mean

884
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 4: the Maverick. Nobody blows a Maverick like you do, and

885
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 4: and it and there's a reason for that.

886
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. I've heard a couple of guys

887
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: in this.

888
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 2: Well I will say this. I would say this is

889
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 2: this is you know, you get a group of like

890
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 2: minded people, like like I said, that love to hunt elk.

891
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 2: We love to hunt elk more than we'd love to

892
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 2: be on stage. I mean, that's my personal opinion, but

893
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 2: I think you know I would share that with the

894
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 2: rest of the group here. But what I will say

895
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 2: is this is, Uh, when we build these calls, we

896
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 2: build these calls to perform, not on stage really, you know,

897
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 2: my my, that's like the back end, that's the fun

898
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 2: and part of it. During the summertime, when we're kind

899
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 2: of getting ready for a hunting season, we build these

900
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 2: calls to call an elk and perform when you need

901
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: to perform. And I know that's what Dirk did when

902
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 2: he was building the Maverick. But I will say this

903
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 2: is that they would never longer call him king because

904
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 2: when I built mine, I built mine a little bit

905
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 2: better than Dirk's.

906
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: Is that right?

907
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 2: Well, well, you know what, you know what, but hey,

908
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 2: all jokes to the side though, is he's got way

909
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 2: more buys and kills and stuff with his So I

910
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 2: really shouldn't, I should dive down a little bit. But

911
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 2: I do think if you're looking for a new change,

912
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 2: All American series is right in the house house, because

913
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: you might be one of us that fits in between

914
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 2: the original signature series, because Phelps is a great call,

915
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 2: Derek's is a great call, and Charlie's is a great call,

916
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 2: and I think we kind of I think us three

917
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 2: are like even between some of all those.

918
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I think you know, I've blown uh probably

919
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 4: every call that's been on the market and and even

920
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 4: some currently. The thing that that steered me towards the

921
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 4: ELPs calls was the consistency that was getting out of

922
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 4: those calls. And and so I think anybody that picks

923
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 4: up these calls, whether it's a Maverick or one of

924
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 4: these new All American series, when they find the call

925
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 4: that fits their style of calling, they can be pretty

926
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 4: sure that that they're going to get a call every time.

927
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 5: And the life and the life that you'll get out

928
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 5: of the read, you know, when I first did. I

929
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 5: I'm newer to the newer to the archery scene, you know,

930
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 5: I've been doing it my fifth season, and you know,

931
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 5: calling for about you know, four or five years or so,

932
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 5: started using you know, the Phelps reads at the beginning,

933
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 5: you know, and I tried some I tried some other calls,

934
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 5: and I blow them out, I mean real, real quick.

935
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 5: But with the consistency and the life that I got,

936
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 5: and how easy the reads were for me as a

937
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:55,439
Speaker 5: newer caller to use. I mean, have I haven't gone

938
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 5: any you know, with any other calls, you know, since

939
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 5: I mean, that's what that's what made you know, made

940
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 5: me step upon love those calls so much.

941
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:07,280
Speaker 4: Well, and even even the design that's gone into the tubes,

942
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't I cannot put my diaphragm on

943
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 4: my mouth and use another tube and make the same

944
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 4: sounds that I get out of out of the Phelps tubes.

945
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 4: I'm still talking a lot about the diaphragms, but that's

946
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 4: just one that's just one tool that you need. And

947
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 4: those tubes, I mean, the back person you get out

948
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 4: of them. I can articulate these calls with with those tubes.

949
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 4: So much better than I can any other tube that

950
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 4: I've ever tried.

951
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 2: It's yeah, I totally agree. You know, we we sit here,

952
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 2: we're talking about the consistency of of our our calls

953
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 2: and you know how you guys did today, And honestly,

954
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 2: it's you know, it's all development and it comes from

955
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 2: like mine, people working together to develop some of these calls,

956
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 2: right to come up with some of these calls, because well,

957
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:13,720
Speaker 2: we're ultimately and you know, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Ultimately,

958
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,439
Speaker 2: at the very end of the day, you gotta tag

959
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 2: in your pocket. You're trying to fill your tag. And

960
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 2: what we're trying to do is cut that, cut that

961
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 2: learning curve down for you guys. We're sitting here blowing

962
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 2: that World Championships, Tony successful, Pat Latrell successful, his so

963
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 2: of the Hunter is successful. But what was consistent today

964
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:40,240
Speaker 2: on stage was I don't know why.

965
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, like minded.

966
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 2: People that that hunt, that hunt and get out there

967
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,479
Speaker 2: and hear these animals and that could make these same

968
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:53,720
Speaker 2: sounds with these same calls. And uh yeah, it takes practice,

969
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 2: no doubt about it.

970
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 1: It takes practice.

971
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 2: You you have to hammer it down and you have

972
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 2: to practice. And uh with Consistent practice comes consistent results.

973
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 4: If you're going to arch your hunt, you're gonna it's

974
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 4: gonna take whether you're shooting your bow, whether you're calling.

975
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 4: It takes practice and you got to put the time in.

976
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 5: That's like I say that, it's like everybody you knows, like, hey,

977
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 5: I have you shot your boat? I have you shot

978
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 5: your bow today? You know what I've been saying, You

979
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 5: got your call today?

980
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 6: Yeah?

981
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 5: You called today.

982
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 2: I'm shooting.

983
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,479
Speaker 3: You know, I'm shooting a bow pretty good?

984
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 5: Right?

985
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: Right?

986
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 6: You can't call?

987
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 5: Are you got fifty that done? You know you're missing

988
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 5: a huge element to it, right.

989
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 2: I mean you don't have.

990
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 5: To be the best caller, but it's like, you know,

991
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 5: get some basic you know, some basic calls, you know,

992
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 5: some location location big or whatever, some cow calls. You know,

993
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 5: just get those under your belt and I don't make

994
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 5: a huge, huge world of difference, but it does take

995
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:44,760
Speaker 5: some call on and not just shooting narrow.

996
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 2: You're right you right now.

997
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 1: Earlier I asked a question, and who is the pickiest?

998
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: And it's funny because Eric pointed himself and you felt

999
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: like you're pretty picky on your call? Now your call

1000
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: I was pleasantly surprised. It was different, way different. It's

1001
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: a little bit lighter late text than a Maverick and

1002
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 1: a little tight, little tight stretch. But man, you blow

1003
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:11,919
Speaker 1: that thing. Great.

1004
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's a it's a great it's

1005
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 5: a great call. I wanted a call that would be

1006
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 5: as universal as possible for anybody who would pick it

1007
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 5: up and use it along with myself. You know, I

1008
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 5: want to be able to put a diaphragm in it

1009
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 5: and almost have it be effortless in a sense, you know,

1010
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 5: because sometimes you know, you can have ten different calls,

1011
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 5: or you know, before I had my own call, you

1012
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 5: maybe you know, grab ten calls to a season or whatever,

1013
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 5: you know, and you you try the different calls or whatever,

1014
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 5: and you know you had add the human element into it,

1015
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 5: but you might have four or five. I'm like, oh,

1016
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,240
Speaker 5: that's a good one. I thought, that's a that's another

1017
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 5: good one. You start stacking them, you know, in your holder,

1018
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 5: like one, two, three, four, five, you know. And so

1019
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 5: I wanted something that was going to be as effortless

1020
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 5: as possible and easy to use, not just for myself

1021
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 5: but anybody who were to pick it up and use

1022
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 5: it as well. But no, it turned out great. I

1023
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 5: am huge fan of the Maverick, so I you know,

1024
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 5: I wanted something very you know, similar, similar to the Maverick,

1025
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 5: but just with a little bit of a tighter stretch

1026
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 5: on it, because you know, I moved quite a bit

1027
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 5: of air, you know, across you know, across the diaphragm too,

1028
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 5: So I thought that would be a good combination for.

1029
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 2: As hard as you blow after blowing your your read

1030
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 2: as hard as you blow, I'm like, how does he

1031
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 2: not correct that over? Like?

1032
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 4: It fits your style of cone like, it's just perfect

1033
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 4: for him, It's perfect for because if I blew as

1034
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 4: hard as I think you blow.

1035
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 3: Over that call, it'd break.

1036
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 2: Over for me.

1037
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 4: Well, I think, I think, uh, part of what makes

1038
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 4: that that call break over sometimes too, in addition to

1039
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 4: the amount of air that you put across that call,

1040
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 4: is where you've got that die from in your mouth. Yeah,

1041
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 4: you know, because for me, I probably run my call

1042
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 4: back further than most people do, and you know, if

1043
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 4: I had that call further forward, it wouldn't work for me.

1044
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 4: So again, it's just everybody's so different. Their palettes are different,

1045
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 4: their style of calling is different. You have to find

1046
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 4: that one call and Eric, you did that? Man? You

1047
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 4: make that call sound really good.

1048
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 2: Shoot, I thought they called my mouth and I sound

1049
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 2: almost sound like a note too.

1050
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: Well, when Phelps asked me, He's like, what are we

1051
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: going to call these calls? And I'm like, Team America,

1052
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: f yeah, you know, well we can't go down that route.

1053
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: America like how about the all American? Three pack? All American?

1054
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: Because you look at look look at these three men.

1055
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: I'm pleasure to spend some time with and this weekend,

1056
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: you guys are you guys? They're epitome of America. You know,

1057
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: we got Eric. If you guys haven't seen Eric, how

1058
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: tall are you?

1059
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 5: Six six sixty six.

1060
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: He's a large American played football at University University of Washington.

1061
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: He works for the Army Corps of Engineers at a

1062
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: damn he you know, America, we got Tony Gilbertson. Tony

1063
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: has worked for public Works getting the water to us

1064
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: right water and sewage that's.

1065
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 4: Right for a long time.

1066
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 5: How long? Over thirty years?

1067
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: Thirty years. This man's been getting clean water and getting

1068
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: rid of our sewage for thirty years, doing things right.

1069
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: He got Hodge. He's been coaching Olympic wrestlers in the

1070
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: army for how long? Twenty one twenty one years. I'm like,

1071
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: I just looked at you guys. I'm like, you guys

1072
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: are just They're just all American guys. So if you

1073
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: look at the packaging, you're gonna see the packaging it

1074
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: completely looks nothing like the rest of our Felps packaging

1075
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: other than you'll see our Filps logo on it, but

1076
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: you see stars and stripes. Each diaphragm has stars and

1077
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: stripes on it. Well, I kind of be prouder of

1078
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: the calls you guys built. And I've been I've been

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01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: editing this video, working on it. You know, I've been

1080
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,959
Speaker 1: working on for a while. I've been working my tail

1081
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: off putting this thing together and trying to build this

1082
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: story out and to best express what you guys did.

1083
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: And you guys talked a little bit about how you

1084
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: guys connected and you gelled and you worked together and

1085
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: you as I'm calling through this, all this content, we've

1086
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: got like sixteen or seventeen days and two cameras, and

1087
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: I got so much content I'm calming through. But all

1088
01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: of it is like you guys respectfully listening to each other,

1089
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: making game plans, like, what do you think? What do

1090
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: you think? Yeah, yeah, you know, making these these game

1091
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,479
Speaker 1: plans as a team. It was really it was really

1092
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: cool to see. You don't always see that. It's not easy.

1093
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: Like I've always said, you can spend ten days in

1094
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: the mountains with somebody you considered a friend and you

1095
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 1: may hate them at the end of that ten days.

1096
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: It will expose personalities, it will expose desires, it will

1097
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: expose expectations, it will expose the truth. It will drag

1098
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 1: that truth out of people, good or bad. And you

1099
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 1: guys were out there for more than like more than that.

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01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 1: You guys were out there for a while. And at

1101
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: the end, how do you feel about it? Do you guys?

1102
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: Are you guys like I don't know Jermlane he's okay.

1103
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: And Er he's all right, But I don't know. I

1104
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 1: fun hunting with him? Again, tell me coming out of this,

1105
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: what do you guys think?

1106
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 5: No, it was, it was, It was good. I definitely,

1107
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 5: I definitely enjoyed my time with these guys. I really

1108
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 5: really enjoyed it because, like I said, I got to

1109
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 5: spend quality time with them out in the woods, you know,

1110
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 5: not just at the different events or you know, competitions,

1111
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 5: but you know, got to share a campfire with these guys,

1112
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 5: you know, got up at four am in the morning,

1113
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 5: you know with these guys, made breakfast, you know, dropped

1114
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 5: you know, in and out of canyons you know with

1115
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 5: these guys, and uh, we learned. We learned a lot,

1116
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 5: you know, a lot of new country that I had

1117
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 5: never seen or never hunted. So there was a lot

1118
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 5: of good lessons taken away of maybe some things that

1119
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 5: we would change and do differently, but I mean, overall,

1120
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 5: it was a fantastic experience. I really enjoyed it.

1121
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 4: So yeah, I agree percent. I would definitely hunt with

1122
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 4: with either one of you guys again, hopefully both yea,

1123
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 4: either one or both. Absolutely, it's uh, you know you

1124
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 4: said it, Derek, when you when you when you said that,

1125
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 4: you know you can you can be friends, but you

1126
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 4: go out and spend ten days or more or whatever,

1127
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 4: even a week in the woods with people, and if

1128
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 4: you if you can't come together and agree on things

1129
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 4: and and give each other cut, cut each other some slack,

1130
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 4: give each you know, give it, give each other some

1131
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 4: grace and just say, you know what, I know, this

1132
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 4: is how I'm used to hunting. But I'm gonna hunt

1133
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 4: the way Jermaine wants to hunt today, where I'm gonna

1134
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 4: haveht the way that Eric wants to not today. And

1135
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 4: you know, I'm I'm the kind of guy that I

1136
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 4: just love being out there. I don't you know, I

1137
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 4: enjoy I enjoy being in the elk woods. I enjoy

1138
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 4: hearing elk bugles. I enjoy the camaraderie. Yes, I enjoy

1139
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 4: it when we're successful. But I'll tell you, you know

1140
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 4: a lot of people put way too much weight on

1141
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 4: notch in that tag to consider the hunt to be successful.

1142
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 4: And I mean, like I said, I knew you guys

1143
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 4: for a couple of years, and that couple of years

1144
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 4: was just meeting each other at the at the World's

1145
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 4: you know, it's been in a couple of days with

1146
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 4: you guys. Ah. You know, you you learn more about

1147
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 4: people when you're out in the woods and you're working

1148
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 4: together as a team to accomplish a goal. And and

1149
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 4: you know, we did that and we did it well.

1150
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 4: And yes, there's probably some things that looking back on it,

1151
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 4: we'd probably do different, but that's you know, it's hunting.

1152
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 6: That's how you grow, right, absolutely absolutely, what do.

1153
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 2: You think your man, Well, these guys, these guys were

1154
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 2: you don't really know. You don't know until you go.

1155
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 2: I always keep this model, is it ill cool to hire? Well,

1156
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 2: you ain't gonna know unless you go, and you gotta

1157
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 2: try it out right, And it's like any food right

1158
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 2: that don't look that good and then taste it and

1159
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 2: you like that was amazing. My point is is that

1160
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 2: is I already knew these guys for a couple of years.

1161
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 2: My philosophy was is I'm not gonna enforce them to

1162
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 2: hunt like me. Let's work together, let's kind of figure

1163
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 2: this all out. And it started yelling right away. I

1164
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 2: was like, let's go here, let's go here, let's split up,

1165
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 2: let's do this. And we had counts of encounters, some

1166
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 2: of the best, some of the worst. Who cares. But

1167
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 2: at the same time you're learning, you're learning each other,

1168
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 2: and dude, it was it was eye opener because my styles,

1169
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 2: you guys, both of y'all got know now my styles

1170
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 2: super progressive, superrogressive, go down I don't care. But then

1171
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 2: when you get up there north of the whole country,

1172
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 2: and like Tony told me one day, when the man,

1173
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 2: I ain't going down there and they would be with

1174
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 2: me down there, and I was like, I ain't going

1175
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 2: down there either.

1176
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 6: Well it was because you learn.

1177
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 4: It was because it was getting on into the evening.

1178
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 4: It's back in their ways. And what happened. We start

1179
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 4: chasing bugles. I'm thinking, okay, we'll do it. Jermaine wants

1180
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 4: to go off these bulls. We'll do it. We get

1181
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 4: down this mountain, the trail on ONEX disappears.

1182
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, oh yeah.

1183
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 4: We continue down and pretty soon we're looking down over

1184
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 4: this cliff over after we slid down our on our

1185
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 4: butts for I don't know how many Yeah, I mean

1186
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 4: it was that was the sketchy part that was talking about.

1187
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 5: There was no hiking. It was sliding and grabbing and

1188
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 5: it's like, okay, I'm gonna slide on my butt another

1189
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 5: twenty yards this next tree up. I catch it and

1190
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,479
Speaker 5: then is like, I'm gonna go He said, you guys

1191
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 5: hang out here. We're like, okay, I'm gonna go down

1192
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 5: and check and see, you know, see what we got,

1193
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 5: because you know, you can kind of tell it cliff out.

1194
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 6: Down there, he goes.

1195
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 5: He goes, I'm I'm gonna go down there. I'm gonna

1196
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 5: see see what it looks like. Okay, we'll hang out here.

1197
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 5: And you see Jermaine looking over like this, you know,

1198
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 5: left right, and you hear him turn his head. He goes,

1199
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 5: don't go left. I go okay, copy that, don't go left,

1200
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 5: go right, push right. So you know, we pushed right,

1201
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 5: and we got down to where we were cliffed out,

1202
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 5: and so I told the you know, hang out here.

1203
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 5: I'm gonna see I'm gonna see if we can get

1204
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 5: down you know, right here. And so I I went

1205
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 5: down to the right and I'd found kind of I

1206
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 5: mean a path, I mean the easiest way down, but

1207
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 5: we basically slid on our butts. But rest of the

1208
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 5: way down to the creek that it was sketchy. Yeah.

1209
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 4: And going up the other side, oh man, Yeah, that

1210
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 4: was yds of life, digging your toes into the into

1211
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 4: the hillside and grabbing onbing on branches just to pull

1212
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 4: yourself up.

1213
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 2: It was.

1214
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:33,759
Speaker 5: It was not pulling each other back onto the trail.

1215
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 4: Got back to the trail right at about dark.

1216
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 5: Yep, you sure did wolves howling in the background.

1217
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 4: Yep.

1218
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 1: Now, I will say after you guys got back and

1219
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 1: kind of the dust had settled and maybe some of

1220
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 1: the pain had gone away. Germaine text music. Hey listen,

1221
01:08:56,360 --> 01:09:02,640
Speaker 1: next time, I'll pick the state and the area.

1222
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 5: I believe it.

1223
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:05,680
Speaker 4: I believe it.

1224
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 1: You like the spot I picked out for you?

1225
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 3: Hey? Yeah, I take it exactly that. Hey, how about

1226
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 3: I picked the station.

1227
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 4: You know how many people said to me when they

1228
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 4: asked where I went hunting in Idaho? Up in North Idoo?

1229
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 4: You know what the answer was? Another response, why did

1230
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 4: you do that?

1231
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 1: Well? Those are the only tags available.

1232
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 2: So I'm going to tell you this. I left there.

1233
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 2: We got done with our hunt. Me and Tony had

1234
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 2: gassed up at the last the gas station, and we

1235
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 2: kind of went down maybe four or five hours, and

1236
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:56,560
Speaker 2: them kind of splip parts you was going down to

1237
01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 2: the heroes a Lifetime with Elk one one and stuff

1238
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 2: like that.

1239
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 5: So so I was like, all.

1240
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 2: Right, I'm thinking the whole way home, I'm like, man,

1241
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 2: let'sh what went wrong? What went right? Kind of thing?

1242
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 2: And I'm like, man, really, nothing really went wrong. We

1243
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 2: probably could have stayed up in a higher country after

1244
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 2: some of those other bulls that we were after, and

1245
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:35,639
Speaker 2: that might have been like like the icing on the cake.

1246
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 2: But to be honestly, like you really don't know, you

1247
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 2: really don't know. It's like calling, right, and and going

1248
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:47,720
Speaker 2: back on some of the stuff that that we're kind

1249
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 2: of talking about earlier, is yeah, you don't have to

1250
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 2: be a Tony or Eric or Jermaine had or Dirt

1251
01:10:55,920 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 2: Durham to calling bulls because it's in many stories where

1252
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 2: you can sit down and talk with me. I'll tell

1253
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 2: you stories that I had bulls. I called it that

1254
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 2: didn't sound like bulls. And just because you know, we

1255
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 2: we been through the trials and tributes of you know,

1256
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 2: our our first hunt together, not the last, our first

1257
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 2: hunt together. It's it's it's growing pains and you really

1258
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 2: have to you know, hash out some of this with

1259
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 2: you your hunting partners. But what I will tell you

1260
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 2: is this cal call. Can you at least cal call?

1261
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 2: So if you got a partner that helps you cal

1262
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 2: call or something to contribute your successful it goes way

1263
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:52,599
Speaker 2: up way. It's dramatic, that's right.

1264
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 5: There's a difference between calling, you know, calling and competitions. Yeah,

1265
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 5: trying to figure out what the judge is like, I mean,

1266
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 5: there's been I messed up bugles and I've had bulls

1267
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 5: eat that up. Like, oh man, who is this guy.

1268
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 5: I like that.

1269
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 1: You know.

1270
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a couple of conversations today about the

1271
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 2: same stuff. I'm like, he was telling me it's doing.

1272
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, you was huthing by yourself, won't you.

1273
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 2: This is what you did kind of wrong. So you know, honestly,

1274
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 2: we went through this hunt in Idaho and it was fantastic. Honestly.

1275
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 2: The only thing that I would probably do different is

1276
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 2: I probably have a e bike, which I got. What's

1277
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 2: I got now, But I didn't have the end. I

1278
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 2: might have had a dirt bike with me because them joggers, man,

1279
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 2: they they traveled from you know, you got a highk

1280
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:51,679
Speaker 2: in three miles or something like that. So stuff like that.

1281
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:56,679
Speaker 1: Well, guys, I can't tell you how much I appreciate

1282
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 1: coming on the podcast tonight. Had a great time catching

1283
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 1: up this weekend. I can't wait to release this film

1284
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 1: and share it with everybody. I don't know what I'm

1285
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 1: going to call it. We're gonna call it America. We're

1286
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:20,839
Speaker 1: gonna call it all American film, like super super Friends.

1287
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm thinking about like maybe you guys

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Speaker 1: could like put on some like superhero outfits. We'll get

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Speaker 1: some do some photography done, maybe at least photoshop it. Like,

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Speaker 1: you've got to figure out who what superhero you want

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Speaker 1: to be? Germane could be the Flash, Uh, Eric could

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Speaker 1: be the Hull. What would you want to be?

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Speaker 4: Captain America?

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Speaker 1: Captain America, Captain America. Yeah, anyway, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: the I don't know what the thumbnail is going to be.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the title is going to be.

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Speaker 1: But I can't wait to share it with you guys.

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Speaker 1: And I can't wait to share these calls with you guys.

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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna like them. I think they're going

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Speaker 1: to be a big hit and uh yeah, who knows.

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Speaker 1: But thanks, thanks a lot for coming on tonight.

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you, Derek, thanks for having us.

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Speaker 2: Thanksgi