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Speaker 1: He's The Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: Home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. To

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Speaker 1: the Drive with Matt Williamson. Matt, we are less than

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Speaker 1: a week away from the start of training camp, right

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Speaker 1: around the corner here, and uh, just a little I'll

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Speaker 1: get here for everybody. Uh, Matt and I don't talk

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Speaker 1: the first segment, Matt, is the I guess the main

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Speaker 1: storylines of training camp. What do we what do we

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Speaker 1: want to see here? I've been kind of writing about

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Speaker 1: want to get your take on some of the things

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Speaker 1: that you want to see the Steelers accomplished in this

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Speaker 1: training camp that is upcoming here. My first, my first

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Speaker 1: and foremost obviously the biggest storyline I think is going

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Speaker 1: to be the offensive line and how it all comes together.

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Speaker 1: That's where I was gonna start too, is I think

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Speaker 1: than better than he did a year. Turner looks like

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Speaker 1: he's regained his formula right, and just good reports about

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Speaker 1: the line. Some of the youngsters are coming along. Well,

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Speaker 1: there's continuity growing there. I would think that's at the top.

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Speaker 1: I mean, again, you've been doing this very long time.

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Speaker 1: I'm probably written the story a million times. The first

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Speaker 1: round pick is always a huge, huge story, and especially

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Speaker 1: it's because it's not it's a he's not a nose

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Speaker 1: Obviously everybody you know. Here's the thing. The report came

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Speaker 1: and he is, you know, his diet is this, and

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Speaker 1: But this is a pushback against the national narrative. This

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Speaker 1: shape last year. Yeah, I would say every time I've

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Speaker 1: seen the last couple of camps, I've seen him. What

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Speaker 1: I didn't see in the last one. He's looked leaner

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Speaker 1: happened the last few years. Right now, I mean he's

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Speaker 1: what's his agility gonna look like, and how light is

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Speaker 1: and that's, frankly, will be a hard thing to see

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Speaker 1: completely reinvigorated. Like he's forty three, folks, he didn't drink

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be back so much better now because he

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Speaker 1: to be about this sport and covering it. How three

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Speaker 1: to the forumer coordinator. There's now it's not a Canada

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Speaker 1: just needs to have. Buddy Johnson could be a factor too,

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Speaker 1: I mean not in every down. Their inside linebacker depth

426
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Speaker 1: could be better than what we think. There could be

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Speaker 1: more competition there from spots to through four, two through five.

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Speaker 1: I do know this sort out. They have guys who

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Speaker 1: fit who are much closer to Devon Bush's athletic profile

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Speaker 1: than they do to Vince Williams profile behind the starters. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it didn't used to be that way, right, And that's

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Speaker 1: before it was Tyler Matakavic and guys like that. Didn't

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Speaker 1: look like Ryan Shazier, didn't run like Ryan cheesier. Well,

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Speaker 1: now they've got two guys in Gilbert and Buddy Johnson

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Speaker 1: who run like Bush. Yeah, right, now, that's a good point,

436
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Speaker 1: you know, Like they don't have another Bush on the team, right,

437
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Speaker 1: they don't, But they have guys that are you know,

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Speaker 1: Michael Ultra version or that could turn into the Michael

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Speaker 1: Blake version, right. I mean they could get better and better,

440
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Speaker 1: which is better than not zero those guys, you know.

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Speaker 1: So that's a good point, which Matta Cavich was a

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Speaker 1: great special team or but you'll be faster on special

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Speaker 1: teams to you know. This is this is something I

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Speaker 1: want to keep an eye on. What it surprise you

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Speaker 1: if we saw, for example, Vince Williams gets some outside

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Speaker 1: linebacker snaps. No, I think he's a good pass rusher,

447
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Speaker 1: which is different than being a good blitzer, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: I think he could line up I think it against

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Speaker 1: many tackles. I think he could. I think you could

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Speaker 1: set the edge. I think he could do those some

451
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Speaker 1: of those things. He's thick and strong enough, his lack

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Speaker 1: of speed would not hurt. You could drop him in

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Speaker 1: coverage and he'd be a very good flat defender and coverage.

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Speaker 1: You know, those type of things. I brought that up

455
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Speaker 1: a while ago and kind of stored it in the

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Speaker 1: in the back of my head, thinking it's not the

457
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Speaker 1: worst idea. He knows the defense like the back of

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Speaker 1: his hand. He doesn't need the reps from a vision

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Speaker 1: see its perspective from the second and he'll takes Like

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Speaker 1: last year or two years ago in camp, he took

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Speaker 1: some outside linebacker reps. I mean, he could be your

462
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Speaker 1: you know, emergency, you know, break glass if necessary, Yeah,

463
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Speaker 1: get you through a game. I don't get it's awful.

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Speaker 1: I mean I wonder. I'm sure if he walked down

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Speaker 1: into bud spot, you would see runs right at him

466
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Speaker 1: until he proved otherwise. It's a different way of stopping

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Speaker 1: setting the edge. But I think he'd be capable. I mean,

468
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Speaker 1: he's not as long as Gilden and these guys. You know,

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Speaker 1: you keep the tackle off you and you keep that

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Speaker 1: free arm and push everything to the inside. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he'd have to bang it, but I think is the

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Speaker 1: above the next would help would help a lot. The

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Speaker 1: toughness of strength. I mean, he's a thumper, and I

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Speaker 1: think he'd come off the edge and be disruptive in

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Speaker 1: the passing game. Yeah, maybe not I get you. You know,

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Speaker 1: if he did it for sixteen games, he would not

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Speaker 1: get you eight sacks, but he would be productive enough

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Speaker 1: to know he would get you out of games and

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Speaker 1: wouldn't trust me. I watched the season and what was

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Speaker 1: the two thousand or I'm sorry eight when Carlos Emmons

481
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Speaker 1: played an entire season at outside linebacker. I think he

482
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Speaker 1: had two and a half sacks. That sounds about right, right,

483
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Speaker 1: I mean, that just wasn't He wasn't Steeler like, No,

484
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Speaker 1: it was very in the production that's happened there since

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Speaker 1: Lloyd and those guys, you know, right, And I also

486
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Speaker 1: think that's a bit of a misconception because I'm not

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Speaker 1: giving by no mean am I discrediting what what Bud

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Speaker 1: did all the way back to Lloyd. But this defense

489
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Speaker 1: back to le Beau has been very good, and making

490
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Speaker 1: those guys be the interior three does a lot to help.

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Speaker 1: There was there two CAUs. You know, that doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: those guys weren't awesome players. And the scheme it up

493
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,239
Speaker 1: not that they come free, but you get a lot

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Speaker 1: of one on ones. If you get Vince against the

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Speaker 1: running back, he's gonna do great. He's gonna run him over.

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Speaker 1: I mean again, even Vince against the tight end. I say,

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Speaker 1: the Ebrons of the world aren't gonna block him, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you don't have to be a diverse pass

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Speaker 1: rusher for that, and we've seen him do that with

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Speaker 1: a little bit of running start from the second level. Yeah,

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00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: so I think that could be something that you know,

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Speaker 1: could be in the cards down the line. Well, I

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Speaker 1: mean I think they have a better idea. The fact

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Speaker 1: that they haven't made any of these moves yet kind

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Speaker 1: of tells me, Okay, they they've got some things they

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Speaker 1: want to look at. Well, don't forget I mean what

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Speaker 1: they're doing. I mean you sit there in your office

508
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Speaker 1: and there's a board with all these magnets on it,

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Speaker 1: and you're going, yeah, I mean smart teams. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: they absolutely do this. What if I take this magnet out, Well,

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Speaker 1: how do I fill in that gap? Well, I got

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Speaker 1: three guys I'm thinking could maybe trickle into that spot

513
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 1: or these five you know, you're you're inside linebacker. Example

514
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Speaker 1: is perfect, Like, Okay, we don't really know who's lining

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Speaker 1: up next to Bush the most snaps this year, but

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Speaker 1: we know Vince's the leadoff walk Spillane. Yeah, he's a

517
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Speaker 1: single and maybe you can get at better these two

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Speaker 1: young guys. Between those four, I bet we get an answer,

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Speaker 1: you know, and we're gonna coach him up. And you

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Speaker 1: know it's a good chance a guy like them might

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Speaker 1: not work out. Yeah, guy like Marcus Allen might be

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Speaker 1: on the outside looking in this year. He'd be shocked

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Speaker 1: me if he plays. Yeah, he played over tune snaps

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Speaker 1: last year and when looking back, that shocked me and

525
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Speaker 1: probably shouldn't be the case, especially you bring him up

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Speaker 1: and I never bring him up. Kill A Brew Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean Killer Brew was signed early in the process.

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Speaker 1: They see him as they see him as a safety,

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Speaker 1: but they don't he's not. But he can, but he

530
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Speaker 1: can walk down and play in the you know, in

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Speaker 1: the box. You know. The reason I brought him out

532
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Speaker 1: of Cave is not because laying style. But he's not

533
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Speaker 1: just a special team or he's gonna play on defense. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean that Marcus Allen role, and Alan Frankly hasn't

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Speaker 1: been impressive doing it. Killer Brew is a thumper or

536
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Speaker 1: two or twenty pounds safety. Yeah, I mean could he

537
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Speaker 1: play too deep? Yeah? He has. I mean that's not

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Speaker 1: what you ideally wanted. To do. But he was signed

539
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: early and everyone overlooks that. Ye, thank you for that guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think they've they've got options, maybe more so than

541
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Speaker 1: what a lot of people are giving them credit for. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean if Alan played two snaps last year and

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Speaker 1: I think it was slightly over, I bet Killer Brew

544
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Speaker 1: plays three by design different packages. I'll figure out ways

545
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Speaker 1: to use those guys. Milets another one that you know,

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Speaker 1: there's some names that aren't brought up often that and

547
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,719
Speaker 1: then this goes back to my thought of, you know,

548
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Speaker 1: the mid round picks across the league that they haven't

549
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: got the recognition without a preseason last year or a

550
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Speaker 1: lot of snaps. There's gonna be names that pop up.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm looking forward to. Actually, maybe the most

552
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: is in this training campus, some actual preseason game. You know,

553
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Speaker 1: it's one thing to sit and watch guys practice against

554
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: Steelers on Steelers. It's completely different to watch them go

555
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Speaker 1: out and play against the Lions or the Eagles or

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Speaker 1: the Panthers. You know, if you practice this thing that

557
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: always drove me crazy when I was you know, playing

558
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Speaker 1: sports or coaching sports, when you're running your own stuff

559
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Speaker 1: against your second team, well they know what you're doing

560
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: so you get plays blood and you gotta like, no,

561
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Speaker 1: we're let the let the past be made here because

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Speaker 1: the other team isn't gonna step into lane every time, right, Yeah,

563
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Speaker 1: we're trying to rep something here, and you know, so

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Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a balance, um and coaches realize

565
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Speaker 1: when people are cheating the drill and stuff where you

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Speaker 1: just you just go against some guy every day. You

567
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Speaker 1: know when he steps to his right that he's you know,

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Speaker 1: that's just how it goes round almost wat right, right,

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Speaker 1: and again the schemes, you know, you know what they're

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Speaker 1: trying to accomplish. Being a scout team players not easy,

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Speaker 1: you know, trying to give a good look, but you

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Speaker 1: also want to make yourself look it would look good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know I could jump this route, but coach, I

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Speaker 1: was going to jump that route, but I know what

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Speaker 1: Pike ben pick six because I know they're thrown out

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Speaker 1: there every time, or you know, we just looked at

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00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: it on the board upstairs, so I know exactly what

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00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: they're gonna do in this situation. And I hear the

579
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: offensive coach yelling at like everyone in the world does

580
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: is coming. But what good it is to me to

581
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Speaker 1: jump it. So yeah, but then I could have looked

582
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: better if being a scout team players a hard Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be an interesting camp that I'm really looking

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Speaker 1: forward to it. We're looking forward to seeing how this

585
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Speaker 1: one season goes. Of course, you can listen to all

586
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Speaker 1: the coverage that we have here a little more of

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Speaker 1: a project. But I bet in two weeks we can

588
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Speaker 1: come up with five names that might be the next Hilton. Yeah,

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00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's no doubt in my mind that

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have some good Our listeners haven't heard those names. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, we'll We'll definitely have some good ideas. But uh,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for this segment. So for my

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Speaker 1: partner Matt Williamson, for Jacob here on site keeping us

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Speaker 1: on the air, I'm Dale Lolly. We thank you for

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Speaker 1: listen thing to this edition of The Drive on Steelers

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