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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern whitetail hunter and now your host, Mark Kenyon. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your guest host

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson, and today I'm speaking with the one and

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Speaker 1: only Alex Gilstrom. Alright, folks, welcome to the wire to

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Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, which has brought to you by First Light.

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Speaker 1: You've probably figured out that this is not the voice

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Speaker 1: of Mark Kenyon. Good Old Kenyon actually caught a private

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Speaker 1: jet down to California to spend some time in Silicon Valley.

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Speaker 1: It turns out that Meta, you know, the company that

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Speaker 1: owns Facebook and Instagram, is giving Mark in a war

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Speaker 1: ard for most social media selfies in a single year,

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Speaker 1: at least in the thirty to thirty nine men's age

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Speaker 1: class category. I think what's that lizard guy's name, Zuckerberg.

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Speaker 1: I think Zuckerberg is actually presenting the awards. So that's uh,

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Speaker 1: I guess pretty cool for Mark. And speaking of Mark,

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Speaker 1: a guy who has no doubt faced all kinds of

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Speaker 1: slumps in his life. That's the whole theme behind this

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Speaker 1: podcast with Alex Gilstrom. We all face bad streaks of

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Speaker 1: white tail hunting and it's tough to break the slump

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Speaker 1: and get out of them. So today, Alex, you know,

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Speaker 1: who's a die hard public land hunter and one of

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Speaker 1: the corner office folks over there at white Tail Properties,

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Speaker 1: he and I are going to talk about the worst

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Speaker 1: streaks we've ever had and how we broke them. I

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Speaker 1: think anyone who hunts white Tails can relate to this

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Speaker 1: episode and if you can't keep hunting, and eventually you'll

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Speaker 1: be able to relate. Gilly, how are you doing, buddy?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well, man, I'm doing well. You have a baby,

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Speaker 1: which is your first one that you know about, right,

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Speaker 1: but I know that is correct, and that baby is

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Speaker 1: do win the babies do February eight, okay, and that

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Speaker 1: So not to get too personal here, but I'm gonna anyway,

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Speaker 1: was that timed out around deer hunting or was that

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Speaker 1: just a happy accident? A little bit of both? We

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Speaker 1: actually not without again not without to get into into

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Speaker 1: a whole a whole saga of the story here, but

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Speaker 1: we we we really we went through kind of a battle, man.

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Speaker 1: I mean we we we had originally we were doing

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Speaker 1: the whole like timing thing right, so like we were

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Speaker 1: married for about a couple of years, and we're like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: now it's like time to know I want to start

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Speaker 1: better looking, so we need to start trying to get

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Speaker 1: these uh, get these kids going right. And and so

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Speaker 1: we went the whole thing. We got pretty we got

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Speaker 1: pregnant fairly quickly, and then had a miscarriage. So I

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Speaker 1: So I went through that whole thing, and I was like, all,

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Speaker 1: get pregnant for like two almost two years. So it

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Speaker 1: reached it reached the point where at first we were

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Speaker 1: definitely on the on the track of like okay, let's

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Speaker 1: So like went through like the whole infertility thing, and

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Speaker 1: everything ended up checking out okay, and got the right

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Speaker 1: things considered, we were pretty lucky, which meaning it took

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Speaker 1: actually conceive and make it happen. So that was great,

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Speaker 1: but uh, all that aside, it ended up working out

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Speaker 1: perfectly from a time standpoint. So this is gonna be

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Speaker 1: a terrible analogy, I'm gonna say it anyway. So you

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Speaker 1: started out and you're like the the die hard pheasant

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Speaker 1: you've got the semi auto with five shells and you're

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Speaker 1: shooting himut of the car window. Yeah, and where you're

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Speaker 1: like where You're like, I think that was a rooster, right,

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Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, we were definitely. I was definitely there.

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Speaker 1: You're googling the game farms closest to your house, you

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Speaker 1: can go shoot some planet birds just to feel better exactly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: who's running? Yeah, who's running? Plant discounts? Were planting bird

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy for you, man. You you got lucky,

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Speaker 1: I totally understand where it's like you hear stories from

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Speaker 1: look for the silver lining on that stuff. But it's

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Speaker 1: I'm curious with you. You and I We've known each

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Speaker 1: Like you know, people think we just get to hunt

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Speaker 1: We do get to hunt a lot and it's awesome,

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Speaker 1: but um, there's still responsibilities and priorities and things like that.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm never like, um, should I should? I not?

429
00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,359
Speaker 1: I'm always like, yeah, I want to kill that, And

430
00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,399
Speaker 1: it's uncharacteristic for me to like it. I never usually

431
00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,199
Speaker 1: have that feeling, and I had it. I was like,

432
00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,879
Speaker 1: what is wrong? Like I don't So anyway, I'm super

433
00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,399
Speaker 1: happy that I got over my douch nous for about

434
00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:41,040
Speaker 1: five minutes and I and I shocked this thing and

435
00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,240
Speaker 1: it ended up happening the way it happened because I couldn't.

436
00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, and then I'm like sitting there

437
00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,640
Speaker 1: thinking like, oh my gosh, like how many how many

438
00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,080
Speaker 1: eight and ten points have you shot? Or will you shoot?

439
00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:51,639
Speaker 1: You know, in your in your lifetime. It's like, man,

440
00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,320
Speaker 1: I would never even see a deer like that again.

441
00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,159
Speaker 1: So yeah, super super pumped about it. It It was an

442
00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,760
Speaker 1: awesome trip and I was really glad it all came

443
00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,240
Speaker 1: together finally after it's been a grind. Dude, like you said,

444
00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it has been a grind up to that point.

445
00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,160
Speaker 1: So it was it was awesome to finally punch a tag.

446
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,360
Speaker 1: So let's talk about that. What's the worst slump you've

447
00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,919
Speaker 1: ever had for white tails? You got one that sticks

448
00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:29,760
Speaker 1: out one season? Uh? Yeah? Um, are there so many

449
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:34,200
Speaker 1: that you can't choose? Honestly? Kind of yeah, believe it

450
00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,960
Speaker 1: or not? Man Like I would probably say, and I

451
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,320
Speaker 1: mean I'm not even categorizing it necessarily in a from

452
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,840
Speaker 1: a standpoint of like filling a tag. Um, I would

453
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:48,119
Speaker 1: say probably this year, dude, likes like in recent memory,

454
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:49,480
Speaker 1: like don't get me wrong, Like I mean, I killed

455
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,119
Speaker 1: the great buck, and I when I'm super happy with that,

456
00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 1: and I've still got some time left and some things

457
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna try to hunt in Illinois and

458
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 1: of public, I don't know here that I've scouted a lot,

459
00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:04,639
Speaker 1: but um, it has been like to even see a

460
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 1: like a buck, I would shoot her. And my so

461
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 1: my goal just getting into into it, like whenever I'm

462
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 1: on my trip, right, Like if I'm going on a trip,

463
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,400
Speaker 1: I'm like here's five days here, here's three days, three day,

464
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,520
Speaker 1: seven days on a trip somewhere. My my main goal

465
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 1: most of the time is to shoot a good representation

466
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 1: of that area. That like that's kind of my my

467
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 1: my scale, my my measuring stick, and so um, you know,

468
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 1: I know you hunt the Dakota is a lot I

469
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 1: do too. Like South Dakota is one of my favorite

470
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 1: places in the world. And I've been going out there

471
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,880
Speaker 1: and hunting a you know, a few different areas of

472
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 1: a larger region for years and years and years, and

473
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 1: this was the first year I did not. And you

474
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 1: can point to a million different things. The weather was crappy.

475
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 1: It was like eighty degrees four days in a row,

476
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 1: and like there was and believe it or not, like

477
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 1: when I was there in South Dakota, it was like

478
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 1: there was three consecutive days where the wind speed did

479
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 1: not get over seven miles an hour, which is I mean,

480
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is unbelievable. Like I just can't even

481
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 1: wrapped my mind around it. And I did not. Long

482
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 1: story short, I was there seven days, six days. I

483
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 1: was there six days, did not see a buck that

484
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,440
Speaker 1: I would shoot while hunting, And that had never happened

485
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,440
Speaker 1: to me in almost in a decade of doing that.

486
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,879
Speaker 1: And um, and then even here in Illinois. Um, Like

487
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: I said, I haven't spent a lot of time here

488
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 1: in Illinois yet because I had that Iowa tag and

489
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 1: I was wanting to dedicate most of my season to

490
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:26,399
Speaker 1: bat but and probably eight hunts nine hunts here and

491
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 1: in Illinois in western Alina where I live, Um, I've

492
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 1: yet to see I've yet to see a dear that

493
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,479
Speaker 1: that I would shoot. So it's it's been that's been

494
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,160
Speaker 1: really tough. So what do you what do you do?

495
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 1: Do you just stick to your guns and say it's

496
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 1: still a buck, that's a good representation of the area,

497
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,640
Speaker 1: or do you ever just go you know what I'm

498
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna make my decision when he starts walking

499
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 1: down the trail, or do you try to shoot a dough?

500
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 1: Or what do you What do you do? How do

501
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:53,640
Speaker 1: you break that slamp? So I try? Yeah, with dose

502
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: are always a question mark for me because I love

503
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: shooting him so much and I love you know, So

504
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 1: it's always it's with with a dough, I never really know.

505
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: I just kind of let them whatever's gonna happen in

506
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 1: that home. I'm gonna let whatever happened in that moment

507
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 1: appen because I just I love eating medicine and that's

508
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 1: what we live off of like percent times. So um,

509
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,640
Speaker 1: I don't really know what does. But with Bucks, it's

510
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 1: like I really I scout so much, um, like I

511
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 1: know you do, like so many you know, so many

512
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 1: of us and kind of this circle like we we

513
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 1: scout so so much. And I truly believe that is

514
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 1: the secret to success, especially when you're on public land,

515
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,959
Speaker 1: that I I'm not gonna be hunting areas where they're

516
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be hunting areas where I know that they're there,

517
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: or they're strong likelihood of a possibility are there there

518
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 1: or at some point in the season whether they're they're

519
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 1: or not, or whether they've been killed or not, there's

520
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 1: good there's a good buck or bucks on this property.

521
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: So I stick to that where it's a good representation

522
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 1: of that of whatever that property could yield. And then

523
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 1: I have that mentality. But I think, again, what the

524
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 1: what the public land education has really instilled in me

525
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: is like it's not you know, I think there's something

526
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: to be said for the fact during the rut of

527
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: like okay, you've got your like like we talked about

528
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: like rut circuits for bucks, right where they've got like

529
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: this circuit of of like cruising that they'll do or

530
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 1: chase or scouting those and locking those down, breeding those,

531
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: et cetera. But like, I think there's somebody said for

532
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: a hunter to have that as well, where he's got

533
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 1: like Okay, I'm gonna have these in this region or

534
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: this section of this property. I've got my you know, however,

535
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: many four or five, and I'm gonna just rotate around

536
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: for the first week or two in November, and I'm

537
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: gonna more than likely i'm gonna get an opportunity. Right Like,

538
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: there's I think there's something you said for that. I'm

539
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: not quite wired that way, like I and that and

540
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: hunting publicly and is instilled this in me, and it's

541
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 1: just worked for me. Mobility is best. If it's again,

542
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,640
Speaker 1: I might throw a couple of sits, maybe a couple

543
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 1: of days at at at a spot. Um But if

544
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 1: it's not happening, then I'm I'm moving. I'm just I

545
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: just gotta keep going and finding the freshest stuff I

546
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: possibly can. And I've been doing that. Um. So that

547
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 1: is kind of my methodology, is maintain the thought process

548
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: on a good representation of the of a good representation

549
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: of that area and being mobile as I can to

550
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: find that good representation of that area of that book.

551
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: And I do. I do run some show cameras on

552
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 1: public and and have some you know kind of I

553
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: don't know if you can call it, you know, have

554
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: tabs on them. But like I I've got a little

555
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: bit of okay, this this book has been you know,

556
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: fairly consistent in this area, and this you know, I

557
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: might run into them here or whatever. But and then

558
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 1: obviously that that's kind of without hunting pressure, right, that's

559
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: the that's always the gold That's always the golden rule

560
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: as far as determining what you're gonna do. But um

561
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: so that that's kind of that's kind of my mentality,

562
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: and I'm not worried. I think. The other thing about

563
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: that about the standard thing, right is like what how

564
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lower or keep standards is um it's it's

565
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: more about the experience that chase, the hunt and things

566
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,959
Speaker 1: like that than just like shooting. The absolute biggest thing

567
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 1: for me, and it's a lot about meat. Man. Like

568
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: I said, we we we really rely on venison. I

569
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: love shooting dozing them. So I'm not worried about eating

570
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: a buck tag because I'm gonna have dough, I'm gonna

571
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: shoot those, and I'm gonna have that too. So a

572
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 1: good representation area for a book is kind of my

573
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: is always it's my pretty steadfast rule for myself. So

574
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: let's say you go out there in Illinois and you're like,

575
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,959
Speaker 1: I should be able to find one and you can't,

576
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 1: Like it's just kicking your ass. It's eight, ten, twelve

577
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: sits in a row. Whatever, do you ever, you know,

578
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: barring having some kind of sweet tag like an I

579
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 1: would tag in your pocket, do you ever just like

580
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: shake it up and go hunt someplace totally new, just

581
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: go try something different and just because I I find

582
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 1: myself some of the worst slumps I've had have been

583
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: when I really focus on the big woods, like in Wisconsin.

584
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: And but I like it. I like the challenge of it.

585
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: But I also like it because it's like, you know,

586
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: you're not going to go there and target one sixties,

587
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's it's not like it's

588
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: not like a slump in Iowa, you know, So you're

589
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: like to have lower standards or to just to be like,

590
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: I mean, one of the one of the like the

591
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: slumps that I like sticks with me so bad because

592
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: I think it was like somewhere in there, I have

593
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: spending a lot of time over there in northern Wisconsin,

594
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: and I was like, I got a dough tag and

595
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: I got a buck tag. I want to kill a

596
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 1: dough when I want to kill a buck. And I

597
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: could not get a deer to stick around in shooting range,

598
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: doze bucks anything. And it took me like three weeks

599
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: and I didn't hunt every day because I don't know,

600
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: I don't live there, but like three weeks of getting

601
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: my ass handed to me by just mature does in

602
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: the in the big woods before I finally shot one.

603
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: And then like you know, I've I've had all kinds

604
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: of streaky hunting in my life, but killing that one

605
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: dough on public land there when I had just been

606
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: getting smoked for three weeks was like such a boost

607
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: for me, Like and you know, and we talked about this,

608
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: we kind of like, you know, go kill dose, I

609
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: go shoot them on a food plot or go do whatever.

610
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, like you're you're talking in about

611
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: a deer that might be as mature as any buck

612
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: you'd ever pick your bow up for and you're not.

613
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: You don't give them any credit whatsoever. And then you

614
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 1: go into a situation like that and it's so like

615
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: easy in the industry to sort of gloss over that fact,

616
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: just be like, oh, just go fill the freezer just

617
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 1: you know, like it's hard for you to go kill

618
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: it two an a half yearld buck, like well where

619
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 1: are you hunting? You know, like you've got to factor

620
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 1: that into like if you're in a slump, like how

621
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: hard should it be? Versus like how hard is it? Yeah?

622
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: And you I couldn't agree more. And I think when

623
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: I said, you know, when I say things like good

624
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: representation of that area, I mean it can that can

625
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: vary even depending on a given county or a region

626
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: of a state that you're in. I mean it might

627
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: be based on what even public track you're on, and

628
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: how difficult you know, the opportunities are that that that

629
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: are there. I mean, yeah, you've got to be able

630
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: to adjust and shoot whatever's gonna make you happy. And

631
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: I think the big thing is like even if I

632
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: just like this year has been super super challenging just

633
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: to find and see them. Um, you know, like I said,

634
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: outside Iowa, Um where I just keep moving. I mean,

635
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: that's that's the big thing. Is I just because I

636
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: don't know what else to do. I guess at the

637
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: end of the day, is like I just I gotta

638
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: keep the faith that I'm gonna find him eventually, and

639
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: either the season is gonna end, I'm gonna run a time,

640
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: or I'll catch up to him and that so I

641
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: just I just that's I mean, it's without oversimplifying it,

642
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: that's kind of how I approach it mentally. But it's

643
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a good lesson there, right because you've

644
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: you've and I talked about this with Zach Farrenbell a lot.

645
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: Like Zach loves to just run him down on the ground,

646
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: like that's his thing and he's really good at it,

647
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: and he found his lane, and that's like he's just

648
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: his style. And you know, a guy like you, guy

649
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: like Andy's like Scott Scott, Scot Scout Scout, get mobile,

650
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: get on him, get on the fresh sign. And I

651
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: was I was muzzled or hunt with a buddy of

652
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: mine in in southeastern Minnesota a little bit ago, and

653
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: we were sitting there and had uh busted up. I

654
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: think he was probably a two year old. He was

655
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: all busted up and he was he was walking out

656
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: into this field, and then there was a bigger buck,

657
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: probably like a ten whatever. I was gonna shoot either

658
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: one of them if they got within range, and they

659
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: would both walk down into this draw in this cornfield,

660
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: and we were running out of light, and I looked

661
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: at him, I'm like, should I belly crawl out here

662
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: and see, you know, because if I got to the edge,

663
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, they're gonna be within range and there's gonna

664
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: be an opportunity. So whichever one is there, and like

665
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, make something happen. And in my head,

666
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, you always screw these up, like you've you've

667
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: lost sight of them, even though I'm sitting there with

668
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: a scoped gun, Like I haven't killed a deer with

669
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: a gun and seven eight years, you know, Like, as

670
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: I'm crawling across that chisel plog corn field and I've

671
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: lost sight of both of these deer, I'm like focused

672
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: on the smaller buck because he was the second one

673
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: to go in something like I know better where he

674
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: is and I'm crawling up there, and you know, it's

675
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: that situation where you're like I should be able to

676
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: see him, it's a chisel plog cornfield and I can't

677
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: freaking see them, and you crawl a little and peak more.

678
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: And then I looked over in that bigger buck standing

679
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: there like eight yards away looking at me because he

680
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: swung around and blew out of there, and you know,

681
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: it was super fun. But I told my buddy on

682
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: the way back, I'm like, my lane is just figure

683
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: out where do you like to walk and wait for them?

684
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: Because when I do this ship like you know, you

685
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: know how it is like sometimes you kill them sneaking

686
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: up on them, and you know, you go out and

687
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,239
Speaker 1: spot stock whatever. But for the most part, when you

688
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: when you get enough years behind you in the rearview mirror,

689
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: you're like, I know what I have to do to

690
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: break this slump, Like I know what I have to

691
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: do to fill this tag. And man, it's it's fun

692
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: to kind of try the new stuff, but when you

693
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: have things like that, you're just like I was like,

694
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: just so reminded of so many times I've tried something

695
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: like that and it just never works. I've I've found

696
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: myself as time has gone on, more and more especially

697
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: hunting more and more public land with vary with variations

698
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: of pressure. Um, hunting from the ground more. I'm doing

699
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: it a lot more. But I totally agree with the

700
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: with the stock thing. I just it's patience For me, man,

701
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,239
Speaker 1: I really struggle being patient enough. Um, and I just

702
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: I think it's a combination of uh, wanting to make

703
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: it happen really bad, not being um okay with the

704
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: fact that if it doesn't happen, or or being okay

705
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: with myself if I screw it up. I think there's

706
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,959
Speaker 1: variations of that and just not doing not having having

707
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: enough experience doing it and enough right. So, Uh, there's

708
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: been times where I've slipped in on bucks, you know,

709
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: where they're locked down with the dough or something that's

710
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: you know, varying circumstances that just have them distracted. But

711
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: like in terms of like buck you know, just feeding,

712
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: or like in terms of them just cruising and trying

713
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: to cut them off and get in front of them

714
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: or do whatever. I'm right there with you, man, I

715
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: have struggled great like it is not it has not

716
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: gone well like anytime. I mean, it's just like oly

717
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,479
Speaker 1: Cow and Um, I respect it greatly. I think it's

718
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: I think it's an incredible skill and it's something that

719
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: I think I wish I was better at and I

720
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: would like to eventually maybe get better at. But like

721
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: I'm with you, like I'm perfectly content funding off the ground,

722
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: being in the right spot, in the right situation. But

723
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of more of like a how can

724
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: I identify or find my best ambush point to get

725
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: to cut him off, get in front of the intercepting

726
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: whatever it might be. Um, but yeah, the little stalking

727
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: in on him is it's it's a different thing, man,

728
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: different thing. I honestly think impatience probably saves more bucks

729
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: than anything. I mean, it is so and this is

730
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: you know, this is why kind of why I wanted

731
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: to do this this episode with you is you know,

732
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: you start out the season, you've got X amount of tags,

733
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: whether you got one at home or fifteen on the

734
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: road or whatever, and you're like, this is my goal here,

735
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: that's my goal there. I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna

736
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: do that, and then the real world hits and you go, okay,

737
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: I have to kind of have to adapt to this

738
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: stuff and start figuring it out. But when you start

739
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: getting in that desperation mode, that's when you're like I'm

740
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: not going to do what I'm great at or i'm

741
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: getting good at, and I'm gonna go try this new

742
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: thing and you start blowing deer out and it starts

743
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: to spiral and you just like, for me, I feel

744
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: like I get like really streaky if I'm on a

745
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: bad streak, Like I make shitty decisions and it just

746
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 1: gets worse and I literally have to like start over somehow,

747
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: you know. And you know how it is like sometimes

748
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: you go on a tear and it's like you're just

749
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: in the zone and you knock out like three states

750
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: in her own and you're like this, I'm I'm king

751
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: of the world, and it's always gonna level off. I mean,

752
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: I know, Uh, you're a huge baseball fan, right, yep?

753
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: Did you watch the uh the Nolan Ryan documentary on Netflix?

754
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: How badasses that, right? I mean, I you know, I

755
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: grew up loving baseball and you know, paying attention to

756
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: it and whatever, But I had no concept of how

757
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: dominant he was. Unreal, unreal. It's any anybody, even if

758
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 1: you're not really interested in sports, it's it's pretty freaking incredible.

759
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: But you watch Nolan Ryan's career and you know, all

760
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 1: time most strikeouts out of any picture of I mean,

761
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: like his stats, like his records are freaking bananas, and

762
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 1: you know, he starts out and he's getting his ass

763
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 1: handed to him, and he's a reliever of the first

764
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 1: couple of years, and then he goes through these stages

765
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: where he's like so unbelievably dominant that the best hitters

766
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: of the time can't can't touch him. And then he

767
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: had times where he was getting shelled and people are

768
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: like Nolan Ryan's passed his prime, like it's oh, and

769
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: then he'd come back and figure something out. And I

770
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: look at that and I go, jeez, if you're out

771
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: there and you've been white till hunting five years or

772
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: ten years, you know, or you know a lot of

773
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: people who really hit a slump or at that stage

774
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: where they go, I kind of got the little Bucks

775
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: and the does figured out, but I want that Pope

776
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: and young Buck and they cannot make it happen. Like

777
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: you gotta think about the most talented professional athletes in

778
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: the world at their craft that they've devoted everything to

779
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: and they get paid crazy money for have you like

780
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: seasons where they suck Like that's crazy. It's the reality

781
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: of it. And I think part of it too, is

782
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: just maintaining the ment like that that mentality, that positivity.

783
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: It's not getting not you know, not second guessing what

784
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: you know, the foundational like rules or whatever whatever it is,

785
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: you're talking bow hunting, deer hunting, baseball, whatever it might be,

786
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: but just maintaining that positive outlook and mentality that I

787
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: know what I'm doing. I know I need to make

788
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: some adjustments, but I need to stay the course and

789
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: just stay consistently and stay at it, you know, and

790
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: not give up. And and I think it's all about

791
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: that balance point right where I'm with. I'm like you,

792
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: where you go into these slumps, you're going to these hards.

793
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: It's really easy for me to push really hard in

794
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: moments like that where it's like I'm just gonna I'm

795
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: gonna force this situation into a positive outcome, and that

796
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: just rarely ever happens, because then what happens is you know, you're, you're, you're, you're,

797
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 1: you're finally hanging this set up and it's like, okay,

798
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: I'm not even getting where I want to be. And

799
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: I just dropped a climbing stick and I just clanked

800
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: off the other one. And you get up and you

801
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: finally get it. You got you get your saddle platform hunger,

802
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: you're staying hung or whatever, and you're like this and

803
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: it's the wind switches like you know, with an hour left,

804
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, this is this is just perfect

805
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: to see, you know, and then all of a sudden

806
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: you look up in the deers coming in, You walk

807
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: to Tony yards you shoot him. Like that's I mean,

808
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: that's how it happens a lot of times. And it's like,

809
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: why do I do this to myself where I'm just

810
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: so mentally just just grind, grinding and grinding almost to

811
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: the point of like I mean, like you said earlier,

812
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: but making it not fun and over forcing it instead

813
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: of just like and again I think it's just riding

814
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: the wave because you can't just you can't just totally, like,

815
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: in my opinion, you can't just totally sit back and

816
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: just oh, whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen. No, I mean,

817
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: you have to buckle down in the right times and

818
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: really and really be serious and stay focused. But you

819
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: can't just tour the over where you're trying to like

820
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: steer the ship so intensely that you just blow up

821
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: in here. You know, you're just you're hurting yourself. And

822
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: I definitely consistently every year get to a point where

823
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: I do that. I just over I end up hurting

824
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: myself and just totally get like, you know, way intense

825
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,439
Speaker 1: and every paying. A lot of times it's my wife

826
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: for a couple of buddies or whatever, and they'll be

827
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: like what are you doing? Like stop, like you're just

828
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: you're you're not fun to be around. You're not going

829
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: to talk to you about this thing. And it's like

830
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: you just kind of gotta have that gut check or

831
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 1: that reality check of like, man, you know what you're doing.

832
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 1: Just stay the course and kind of kind of ride

833
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,439
Speaker 1: the way. But I think fact what you're saying about,

834
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: like Nolan Ryan and just all of that, I think

835
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: so much of that comes back to perspective and mental

836
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: state of just being confident in your ability, yes, but

837
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: also just staying super positive and not letting the moments

838
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: or the mishaps or anything like that be bigger than

839
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: the overall like mission and goal at hand of like

840
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: what you're actually doing out there. Do you ever do

841
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: you ever just take some time off? I mean, do you,

842
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: because when I get to that stage where nobody wants

843
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: to be around me, which I hit it just about

844
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: every Deer season two, I'm in it right now, bad bad. Uh.

845
00:38:55,080 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: Do you ever just take time off and do something else? Yeah? Um, yes,

846
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: and no, that's usually when I will. I don't know

847
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: kind of kind of I should say. So when I

848
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: get into those moments and those attitudes like that, A

849
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: lot of times I'll go to a spot. Um, either

850
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: I haven't scouted very much, I haven't hunted very much,

851
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: or maybe I haven't even like boots on the ground

852
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: scouted or been to physically at all, and I'll just

853
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: go and just learn something new. I'll just like, I

854
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: have no idea what's here. I don't have no experiences here,

855
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: I have nothing I can really, I'm just gonna try

856
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 1: and make like take my mind off of the fact

857
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: of actually like killing a deer, and I want to

858
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: go see if I can find something and do that.

859
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: And it's like with no pressure, right, It's like I've

860
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: never I've never been to this piece of public, I've

861
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: never been over here. I just want to go and

862
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: scout and find sign and try to, like, even even

863
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: if it's something like I've done it a couple of

864
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: times in the past, UM, and maybe actually we're talking

865
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: about this, I'm thinking maybe I should need to be

866
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: doing this now, like right, maybe I need maybe I

867
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: want to hang this up and go go go scout

868
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: something else. But um is even filing something away for

869
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: future seasons, Like it might be like now we're kind

870
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: of past the rut, right, so it's like you kind

871
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: of look and maybe I'm finding a bunch of rut

872
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: sign where there's just this whole area is torn up

873
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 1: with rubs and maybe even there's some scrapes and stuff

874
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 1: like that, and there's you know, it looks like maybe

875
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: there's dope betting up here or whatever it might be.

876
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: And I'm like, holy cow, I need to like wog

877
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 1: this away for next year or something. I mean, I've

878
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 1: found distracting myself from the fact that I haven't filled

879
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 1: the tag or I haven't killed a book or whatever,

880
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 1: um this year by doing stuff like that where it's

881
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: still I feel like it's still benefiting or valuable to

882
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: my hunting. Um, I'm still like spending quality time doing

883
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: something productive. But maybe it's maybe it is like you said,

884
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: there's in moments in situations like that. At least for

885
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: me personally, I don't feel any pressure in that moment.

886
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to gather information, have fun out there

887
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: doing it, and you know, it's it's not really any

888
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: time spent, you know, really focused on the intensity of

889
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: filling a tag. Yeah, I think, you know, for me,

890
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: I'm lucky because I have some other stuff I like

891
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: to do in the woods, you know, I do a

892
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: lot of pheasant hunting and whatever else, you know, and

893
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: I I find a similar kind of like a little

894
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: bit of a release on the pressure of velve to

895
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: just be like, I'm not gonna go deer hunting this weekend.

896
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go pheasant hunting. And you always find something

897
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: out there that's interesting or you just like it just

898
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: sort of takes the edge off a little bit. And

899
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: you know, there's something we don't really talk about in

900
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: the hunting industry hardly ever. We always kind of paint

901
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 1: this rosy picture of this stuff, right like, oh, it's

902
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: the best thing ever and it's so fun, I can't wait,

903
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: and I live for it and blah blah blah. Except

904
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: when you're actually hunting a lot, a lot of it

905
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: sucks a lot of it's really stressful, and a lot

906
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: of it's just not that much fun sometimes, And you know,

907
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: you're talking about dropping stuff out of a tree and

908
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: just like having a bad attitude or whatever. When we

909
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 1: were filming one week in November this year, I started

910
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: the first couple of days on public land in southwestern Minnesota,

911
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: and it was rough and we had one sit where

912
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: we went in and you know, you've got a cameraman

913
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 1: with you, and we were dropping, Like I got up

914
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: into the tree, I dropped my grunt tube, I dropped

915
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: my phone, so I went back down and got him.

916
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: As I'm down there, the GoPro lands on my head

917
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: that he dropped, so I picked that up. I go

918
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: back up there, I dropped my grunt tube down again.

919
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not gonna need it anyway because I'm

920
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: not gonna see a freaking buck. And then he's like

921
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: talking and we're in this little tree because there aren't

922
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: that many trees there, and he like makes this gesture

923
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: and knocks my arrow off my rest under the ground,

924
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: and it's just pure yard sale down there, and I'm

925
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: just like and that that was the city where we

926
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: had I had scouted this river bottom spot and it

927
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: looked freaking banging. In fact, I pheasant hunted it recently

928
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: and jumped two good bucks out of there, so I know,

929
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: I was like, I know, I was in the neighborhood.

930
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: I just didn't have the right spot or time or whatever.

931
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: But we walked in there, and two days before I've

932
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: been there, there's one banging trail that follows the river edge,

933
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: you know, kind of parallels it and cuts the bends off,

934
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, just like dreamy rut stuff. You got the

935
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: water behind just so the winds perfect, all that stuff. Yeah, dude,

936
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 1: it's just like my favorite, like on paper, that's like

937
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: my river bottom stuff like that. I love it. But

938
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: we get in there and I like walk up to

939
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: the tree to start hanging our set, and I look

940
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: over and there's a dead buckland on the trail, you know,

941
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: and you're just like, somebody gut shot it between you know,

942
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 1: the two days before when I had scouted in. Now

943
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: it was super fresh and it's laying dead in the

944
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: middle of the trail we're hunting, and you're just like,

945
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 1: what are the freaking odds? And you know, and then

946
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: then we climb up and I drop everything I own

947
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: onto the ground and my cameraman drops all of his ship.

948
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: You're just like, sometimes, you know, in that situation, we

949
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: can't just bow out and go chase peasants, although I

950
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: wanted to, But sometimes you're just like you got some

951
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: bad mojo, man, and you just kind of you gotta

952
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: back out and do something else. Yeah. Well, plus and

953
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: you're such a dog freak, and yeah, I feel like

954
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 1: you're now you're you're entering a point where you're deer

955
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: hunting just to get you the pheasants season and then

956
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: you can you know what, I'll tell you what So,

957
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: because you mentioned this early when you said you're not

958
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: wired to just like you gotta find new stuff and

959
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,919
Speaker 1: you gotta hunt new ground. I'm I'm the same way.

960
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 1: Like I'm not. I'm jealous of people who like can

961
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: have one spot and just like that's their season. They're like,

962
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 1: you know, target box or whatever. Like I just can't.

963
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: It doesn't do anything for me. And I figured this out.

964
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: I think I got lucky when I was like in

965
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: college and I was fishing a bunch of tournaments and

966
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: I burned myself to the ground. I was like, I

967
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: hate fishing now too far. I went too far and

968
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: I needed something else. So then I was like I

969
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: got a freaking bull hunt. Like I got to get

970
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: into a tree and decompress because I'm sick of you know,

971
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: driving all over and haul on the boat and all

972
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: that bus. And what it really taught me was like

973
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: if I go too hard in the paint with anything,

974
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: and that's like my nature, I need the backup stuff.

975
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: And so the dog thing, that's just like for me,

976
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: that's just like pure fun. Like I just you know,

977
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: there's not the trophy bs and there's not like this

978
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 1: this stuff that we have going on with the white

979
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: tail world, and it's like you just gotta find and

980
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 1: like if if you're hitting a spot with your deer hunting,

981
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: you're like, I don't like this right now, Like I

982
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: don't want to do it. I want to do something else. Man,

983
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: you probably need some kind of backup outlet somewhere. So

984
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: so you're telling me you don't. You don't measure your

985
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: pheasants spurs and and and the wingspan and compare them

986
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: to your buddies. You shoot big your peasants. No, I mean,

987
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: and you know we're such idiots, right, Like I get

988
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: I think one of the worst things that happened to

989
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: us is this trophy hunting craze. I I just look

990
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,919
Speaker 1: at it. I'm like, there's so much bad that comes

991
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: with it. But it's like it's a dumb thing to

992
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: bitch about a because I've been a part of it

993
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 1: for a long time, so it makes me a huge hypocrite.

994
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: But be it's not going away, Like it's just gonna

995
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: be a part of us no matter what. And so

996
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: like the pheasant thing, yeah there's no trophy pheasants. But

997
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: if you're out here hunt with three your buddies and

998
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: you kill more birds than they do, like you're still

999
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: gonna talk shit at the end of the night, you know.

1000
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: And I was like, I sometimes fantasize about a world

1001
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: where deer just don't have antlers, where all we can

1002
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: hunt are just antler less dear they all are the same,

1003
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: but we'd still have of like heaviest dough contests, and

1004
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like we would never get

1005
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: away from like there was always be trophies in there somehow,

1006
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: I know because I've thought about the same So like

1007
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: I thought, dude, I've had this thought so many times,

1008
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 1: So exactly what we're talking about like in a tree

1009
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: thinking and it's just like what it right? And I'm

1010
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 1: like sitting there thinking to myself, I'm like, what if

1011
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: what if like Bucks were actually dough like like had

1012
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: they like this the maybe like the um what like

1013
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: the societal impact like implications of like what Bucks are?

1014
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: What if they? What if Dose and Bucks were flip flopped? Right,

1015
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 1: So it's like what if does all of a sudden

1016
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: like oh my gosh, she's got the longest ears and

1017
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: like and then like I'm going through this thing and

1018
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: like what if dose like had that impact that Bucks

1019
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: have like in our in our industry. But and then

1020
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: I found myself thinking exactly what you just said. It's like,

1021
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: wait a second, you just totally like ruined it because

1022
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: you're already thinking of ways to prioritize one dough over

1023
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: another dough. And it's like no, man, like that's not

1024
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: not I mean it is, man, It is such a

1025
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: I hate it and dude, I don't know. I mean

1026
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: the social media thing, dude, it's I know, it's part

1027
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: of what we do and we have to do it

1028
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: for our jobs and and it's and there's definitely positives

1029
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: to it and like ways to connect and interact as

1030
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: a community. But I really hate social media, you know,

1031
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 1: I do too, so much. But it's not like, you know,

1032
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: I would guess a lot of people who listen to

1033
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: this podcast probably didn't. They probably weren't like at the

1034
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,919
Speaker 1: age where they were like hardcore white h hunters reading

1035
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: magazines fifteen years ago, you know, twenty years ago. And

1036
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: I remember the same ship, you know, when I was

1037
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: an editor at Peterson's Bow Hunting, and even before that,

1038
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: when like real Tree, you know, vhs and DVDs are coming,

1039
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: like it was, it was the same stuff. It was

1040
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,439
Speaker 1: just a different medium. And now it's it's weird now

1041
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: because it's like we're so exposed to it, we're so

1042
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: addicted to our phones, and so we're like we're like

1043
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: not even like consciously checking into this stuff and exposing

1044
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: ourselves to this stuff that we don't really care about

1045
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 1: and actually pisces us off, which is a whole part

1046
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: of the plan to get us to look at it more.

1047
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 1: And it's just it's rough, man, And I honestly think,

1048
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: you know, I I you know, talk about sitting in

1049
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: your trees and fantasizing I had when I was or

1050
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: when I was muzzled or hunting. Earlier this year, I

1051
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: was like, man, what would be really cool is if

1052
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: every trophy photo, so you know, whoever you are, you're

1053
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: posing with that white tail buck or that big bull Elk,

1054
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: if there was like a breakdown on what it cost,

1055
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: because you know, because I see this. I saw this

1056
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: post from this this hunt that happened out on the

1057
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: Deserret in Utah for Elk, and I you know how

1058
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: it is. I know people, that's that's Rogan's place, that's

1059
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,959
Speaker 1: you know, cam hunts there or whatever. And I don't

1060
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: know what they cost now, but a few years ago

1061
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 1: that was an eighteen dollar just tag. I'm sure it's

1062
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: more now more than that. Yeah, I'm you know, I'm

1063
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: sure it's bucks. And you you know how this is

1064
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: because you're kind of an insider like I am, where

1065
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: you see this stuff and you know, and you go, man,

1066
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: and I don't want to knock that, like if people

1067
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 1: want to go do that whatever, I don't give a ship.

1068
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: But if it would change how everyone felt, if you

1069
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 1: were like, you know, here's a picture of this great

1070
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: book I killed. Here's my leases. Ten thousand dollars a year,

1071
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: and I spent this and this and this, and it

1072
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,479
Speaker 1: was like a breakdown. I think a lot of people

1073
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: would look at this over and over and go, Okay,

1074
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: there's like a really common theme with most of these big,

1075
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: big animals I'm seeing, and there's a lot of money

1076
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: invested in them, a lot of money, and so it

1077
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 1: would I think it would kind of level us off

1078
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: a little bit. You'd go, like, you know, I don't

1079
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: I don't get jealous of Jeff Bezos, you know, buying

1080
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: foot yachts, Like that's such a different world from where

1081
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: I live in Like it doesn't affect me. I don't care,

1082
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I'm not gonna get

1083
00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: a red assid about a guy who starts to come

1084
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: any like that and gets billion dollars and starts a

1085
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: space company, Like I don't give a shure. But like

1086
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: on a smaller scale, you look at some of the

1087
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: money involved in some of this stuff and it's like

1088
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: it's like it's not that level, it's not Amazon owner level,

1089
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: but it's like so far beyond what most people I

1090
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: think probably realize. And you know, you look, especially some

1091
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: of the Western stuff, you're just like, yes, you know

1092
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: that Elk has a price on his head, like if

1093
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,760
Speaker 1: you knew that, you wouldn't be like you'd be like, Okay,

1094
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: this is a different world from me. Well, and I

1095
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: even think from a self reflection standpoint, like if you

1096
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: actually you know, because I hate seeing it, man, Like

1097
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: it's like uh and we all see it all the

1098
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: time too. And I really get on my buddy, like

1099
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: personal friends, I really get on their case if they

1100
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: do this because I just it really rubs me the

1101
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: wrong way. And it was like kind of goes back

1102
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: to what I said earlier about the Io bucket shot,

1103
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: where I was kind of like, who the heck do

1104
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: you think? You know? I was like yelling at myself,

1105
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: and it was like it's like when you know, the typical,

1106
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: prototypical like trophy photos post goes up on social media

1107
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,720
Speaker 1: and it always starts with well is not the biggest

1108
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: buck in the woods or oh I know he's not

1109
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: going to score a lot or what Like I'm like, dude, no,

1110
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: to heck with that. Man. It's like, if you pull

1111
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: the trigger on that thing, be happy, be proud, be

1112
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: own it. You made a successful hunt, you had it,

1113
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: you made a successful shot recovery, you made it happen,

1114
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: You filled the free like those are the positive, so

1115
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: far outweigh anything that somebody else, somebody else who has

1116
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: no idea, or some keyboard warrior that has an opinion

1117
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: about what your dear scored or how old it was, Like,

1118
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: it's just it just drives me absolutely insane. And I

1119
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: think what you're talking about there would actually if you

1120
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: if if somebody actually sat down and like, okay, how

1121
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 1: much do I have invested in this dear and then

1122
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: they listed out the cost. I think the pride and

1123
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 1: that deer all of a sudden would go way up

1124
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: where they're like, oh, holy cow that you know. I

1125
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: hope my wife never sees this, but wow, like this

1126
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: is you know, this is like a you know, it's

1127
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: like you know, hundreds, if not thousands of dollars that

1128
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: you've got banked into this thing, and it's like, all

1129
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's gonna matter a lot more to you.

1130
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: So I think I love that. I don't know if

1131
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: we need to start our own social media platform where

1132
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: I'll let you we on that, I'll I'll let you

1133
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 1: figure that out. I can tell you there maybe a

1134
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: lot of ways my career goes. It's not going to

1135
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: be starting a social media channel. No, that's not gonna happen.

1136
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: It'll go the other way if anything. But yeah, I mean,

1137
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's important to just kind

1138
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: of look at this stuff and be honest about this stuff.

1139
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: And I think it's I think it's important to recognize it,

1140
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: like that's a component of what we have going on,

1141
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: and it it kind of feeds into the theme of

1142
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: this where it's like, you know, if you feel like

1143
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: you're out there getting your ass kicked and everybody else isn't,

1144
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: you're wrong, Like you're just you're just wrong. I mean,

1145
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 1: and you you and I well know people who are like,

1146
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: you know, they get it done. Like some of the

1147
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: some of the hunters I respect the most out of anyone,

1148
00:52:45,400 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: still have just clunker seasons. I wanted to ask you

1149
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: this earlier, but I forgot. I'm gonna ask you now.

1150
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: I think so many people they hit a real slump

1151
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: at some point in the kind of the beginning of

1152
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: their white tail career somewhere, you know, it might be

1153
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: the first deer, or a lot of times it's that

1154
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: real big step up from okay bucks to something they're like,

1155
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 1: I want to show this off, Like did you. Did

1156
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: you hit those in stages when you started out, or

1157
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: did you have one where you're like, I cannot bust

1158
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: through this one. I just can't. Did I did? I? Yeah,

1159
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: I bow hunted for five years before I killed the

1160
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: deer with the ball. So started in Michigan. You completely

1161
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: start archery hunting when you were twelve, and I was

1162
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: I think it was I guess six. I was sixteen

1163
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,439
Speaker 1: when I shot my first buck with the ball, so

1164
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: I mean missed and I was not picking like it was.

1165
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: You know, I grew up. I grew up. I grew

1166
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: up like four legs, brown hair, and a white tail

1167
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: letter fly. You know that's like that's kind of where

1168
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 1: I grew up in. So I mean, I, uh no,

1169
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: manland back backstropped. I don't know what think two bucks

1170
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 1: didn't find them completely? You know with missed, I can't

1171
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: even tell you how many does um Where I was

1172
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: just I could not control the emotion, like I was

1173
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:16,280
Speaker 1: so amped up on every single thing before it finally happened,

1174
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: and I never will forget it. It was a dough

1175
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 1: coming in at last light and finally I'm saying, like

1176
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: you have, like you have to kill this thing, like

1177
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: you can't let this go on forever, right, And and

1178
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: I spined her and she was like getting trying to

1179
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: you know, it was just a nightmare and ended up

1180
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: putting the finishing shot. So like, yeah, I mean every

1181
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: and and thankfully it got significantly better after that. But um,

1182
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: you know you learn those you know, you learn those

1183
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: those those things to calm yourself down. But yeah, I

1184
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: mean I was I was just like anybody else. I mean,

1185
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: I was absolutely enamored, just consuming as much hunting content

1186
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: as I possibly could, the magazine, the vhs as the

1187
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: the DVDs, everything like that from a very early age.

1188
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: And I said, these people like shooting these just you know,

1189
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: unbelievable bucks and like just and consistently killing deer, and

1190
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: I just couldn't figure out why I couldn't hit that.

1191
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: And it was eventually what it kind of came to

1192
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,439
Speaker 1: came to me after I finally like, okay, I killed

1193
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 1: my first one. It's like you just can't you can't

1194
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: let the moment be bigger than than you were that

1195
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: you know that situation. You've got to control yourself within

1196
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: that situation to be able to effectively can execute a shot.

1197
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: And yeah, so talk about slump. Yeah, I mean I was.

1198
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: I was in my I could drive before I actually

1199
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: finally killed something with the boat. Dude, I'm right there

1200
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: with you. I started out at twelve to Minnesota's minimum

1201
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: age was twelve, and I killed my first year, which

1202
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: was a button buck, uh like four days before the

1203
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: season ended when I was fifteen, So I essentially had

1204
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: four full seasons of hunting in before I killed a

1205
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:50,760
Speaker 1: buck fawn that was the unluckiest deer in the woods.

1206
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: I I sprayed and prayed at that buck because he

1207
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: busted me drawn on him and he was trotting through

1208
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: and I just shot and I shot him through the

1209
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: liver and was like I will never forget that, dear.

1210
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: You know, I couldn't hear him coming because there was

1211
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of fresh snow on the ground. And I

1212
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: looked down and he was right below me, and I

1213
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: was like, holy sh it, there's a deer here. And

1214
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: I drew and he busted me, and I remember thinking

1215
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: like every time, like every freaking time you drop, they

1216
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: see you. But you know, he was dumb, and it

1217
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: just when that arrow went through him and he ran

1218
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 1: off and I could see blood in the snow. I

1219
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, like I think I'm actually

1220
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: gonna get one, and you know I had done. So

1221
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: that year was was the first full year I got

1222
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: permission to hunt this farm that I still hunt to

1223
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: this day. And when I walked into that farm, like

1224
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,760
Speaker 1: seeing a buck for me at that time was like whoa,

1225
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: Like this is holy shit. And I walked into that,

1226
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: I walked in down this hayfield. I'm like, I'm gonna

1227
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: go carry a stand in because that's all I did.

1228
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: I had one stand, carried it in, put it up,

1229
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 1: take it down, and put it up, take it down.

1230
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: And I walked in there and I jumped a little

1231
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: year and a half old buck. And I remember like,

1232
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 1: I am on a spot now, like I am, I

1233
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: am on a farm that has these deer. And I

1234
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: started hunting that place every night. My mom would drive

1235
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: me out there and drop me off and I'd go.

1236
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: I'd walk into the spot, this looks good at hang

1237
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: a stand, and I would hunt it till I burned

1238
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: it right to the freaking ground. And then I keep

1239
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: going through the woods and I can't I can't remember exactly,

1240
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: but I think I missed like eleven deer that season.

1241
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: I remember I had a week when I missed three

1242
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: and it was all it was all little Bucks, it

1243
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: was all like you know, spikes Forky's basket six whatever,

1244
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: And I was just like I'd call my dad because

1245
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: my dad works second shift at IBM, and he'd be like,

1246
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: had tonight go and be like, missed another four key

1247
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: shot at him three times and then like I just

1248
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: remember my dad being like like, I guess just keep

1249
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: going out there, like he was odd of advice, like

1250
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: I I'm sure he was like I think I got

1251
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: a paternity test this kid, because this kid's ship he

1252
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: can't do it. And I mean, so when you talk

1253
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: about that, you know it takes you. Took you roughly

1254
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: the same amount of time. You're talking full seasons of

1255
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: hunting multiple and not killing a deer. And I don't

1256
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: know about you, but when I it took me. I

1257
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: was eighteen when I killed my first book, and then

1258
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: I killed one every year, actually probably every year since then.

1259
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: I don't think I've had a year where I didn't.

1260
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: But you know, I got to that point where I

1261
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: was like, okay, this the basket recks are like eventually

1262
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: throughout the season, one of those dudes is gonna die

1263
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: And when I when I started killing some two and

1264
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: a half year olds and I'm like, um, you know what,

1265
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: it's time to get some chest hair and like go

1266
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,919
Speaker 1: go be a real man out there. That was when

1267
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: the real big second slump of my life hit where

1268
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: I was like I was not ready for it, Like

1269
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: I'm like I need to kill something that's three and

1270
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: a half year old, you know, like you're just whatever whatever,

1271
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: you know that on up And I was right back

1272
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: to that stage where I'm like I can't hit them right,

1273
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: can't hit them at all. I get an opportunity to

1274
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: fall apart, and it's so this stuff is like you

1275
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: don't you don't get over it. Like I mean, you

1276
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: get over it to some extent, but there's situations like

1277
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: you lose the farm and you gotta start over, or

1278
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: you go try that public land hunt you put yourself

1279
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: in a different situation, or you move, you know, to

1280
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: the up from southern Michigan and now you're like, this

1281
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: ain't the same world I grew up in, and now

1282
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: you have to start over and that pressure comes in

1283
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: and that stress and man, that slump is on you

1284
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,439
Speaker 1: before you know it, and it sucks. I think it's

1285
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: just again perspective and mentality you because I truly I

1286
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: agree with you, and I truly believe everybody, if they're

1287
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: being honest with themselves and others, is going to go

1288
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: through that regardless of what their goals are, regardless of

1289
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: where they're hunting, regardless of what's happening, they're gonna find

1290
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: that slump. They're going to hit that. It's just it's

1291
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: just gonna happen if you do it long enough. And

1292
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: that's where it's like, I think, if if people can't

1293
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: understand that, or if they're being judgmental or ridiculing somebody

1294
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: as they haven't shot a buck yet or they haven't

1295
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,439
Speaker 1: filled a tag this year or whatever, especially when they're

1296
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: kind of in the public view of the of the

1297
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: industry of like you know, they're they're creating some type

1298
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: of content or whatever, and it's like, you know, they

1299
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: get accustomed to this, this consistency. It's like if if

1300
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,959
Speaker 1: they can't understand or respect the slump, if you will,

1301
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: they just haven't been doing it long enough, or they're

1302
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:24,479
Speaker 1: just they're just being a jerk on on on social media.

1303
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: It's like it's like it's just I mean, because it's

1304
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: going to happen to them if it or if they're

1305
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: not even experiencing it right now. So yeah, it's it's

1306
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: it's just the reality of it. It's just something that

1307
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: we have to face. I think it's an incredibly learned

1308
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: a good learning tool for us. I mean, I know

1309
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 1: that I as much fun as the great years are

1310
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: where you're filling tags every time you go and you know,

1311
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: you you hunt ten days and you fill three or

1312
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: four tags and it's like unbelievable. As fun and wonderful

1313
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: as that is, I learn way more from dear you know,

1314
01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: the habitat how dear using the terrain, finding new spot, um,

1315
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 1: what you're doing within a certain you know, based on

1316
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 1: certain conditions or whatever. From those hard slump years where

1317
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 1: it's just a constant, grinding battle. I learned way more

1318
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: from those years than I do from the years where

1319
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: I feel a bunch of tags. That doesn't mean I

1320
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: don't want to you where I feel a bunch of tags,

1321
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, but reflecting back on it and

1322
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: even looking at it and just trying to keep that

1323
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,959
Speaker 1: positive mindset where it's like, hey, this isn't all for nothing.

1324
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 1: Here where I'm I'm sharper than the sharper than the iron, right,

1325
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: I'm trying. I'm making myself better because I'm struggling through

1326
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: this and there's something said for that. Yeah, I think

1327
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: another way to do this too, if you if you

1328
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: find yourself out there, especially you know, maybe not if

1329
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: you're a beginner, but if you're if you're at one

1330
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: of those stages where you're like, I'm I need to

1331
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: level up on this somehow. I'm you know, this caliber

1332
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: buck or whatever. I want five dollars in the freezer

1333
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: at the end of the year instead of one, and

1334
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: you hit, you know, like you hit the wall with it.

1335
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: One of the things that I found totally by accident

1336
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: that really helps me sort of contextualize those moments is

1337
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: like taking my daughter's or taken like I take a

1338
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: lot of kids out or newbies turkey hunting, and man,

1339
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: you take it for granted, what you know, like when

1340
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: you when you walk out into the woods and you're scouting,

1341
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: you have a hell of a lot to draw on

1342
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: and you go, Okay, I see this, I've been here,

1343
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: I've done this like kind of you know, like I've

1344
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 1: been here, done this, like I know, I know how

1345
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: to get myself through this, but when you have to

1346
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: think about bringing somebody else through it, and its like man,

1347
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: it for me personally, it forces me to like I

1348
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: can't there's no like errors in my setup, like where

1349
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: do you put this blind? How do you brush it in?

1350
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: Like how the how's the sun gonna come in? Where's

1351
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: it gonna approach? Or you know, taking my daughter's deer hunting, like, man,

1352
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 1: I can't have a squeaky chair. I can't have I

1353
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 1: can't have mistakes because we're gonna make mistakes. So like

1354
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: if I allow something sloppy or if I if I'm

1355
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 1: like this is good enough, there's no way it's gonna

1356
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 1: bite us in the ass. And sometimes for me, just

1357
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 1: taking somebody else who doesn't know what they're doing is

1358
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: like it's it kind of just like recalibrates me and

1359
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: I go, Okay, like this is I needed to see

1360
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: this and to go through this and like understand, I

1361
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: don't have it this bad, this pity party that I've

1362
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: been having because I can't kill big Bucks. Times to

1363
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: freaking time to shut it down and move on, you know, yeah, exactly, Yeah,

1364
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 1: And it teaches me, like I always like doing that

1365
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: from that perspective to whether it be turkey hunter or

1366
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: even deer hunting, what it teaches me about public a

1367
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 1: lot is like whether I'm taking a youth or even

1368
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 1: even a buddy that doesn't hunt public a lot or

1369
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 1: hasn't like gone like, doesn't like doesn't you scouting as

1370
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: a as a major foundation of their hunting style? Yeah,

1371
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: and and and all of a sudden, like that question

1372
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 1: why comes up right where it's like, hey, why, like

1373
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: why are you looking at this? Or why did you

1374
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: see this away? Why did we there was this great

1375
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: scraper rub and we kind of just walked right by it,

1376
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 1: like why did that happen? Like? And I'm like, because

1377
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: I take it like you. It's like you kind of

1378
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 1: bet you're just like you. You're either filing it away

1379
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: like subconsciously or like you kind of process it subconsciously

1380
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: and just kind of go right and buy it. And

1381
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 1: it's actually helped me kind of frame of like, Okay,

1382
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 1: these are important things and they are they do matter

1383
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: in certain situations and explaining it to somebody else or um,

1384
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: you know, and even it's caused me to even sharpen

1385
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: up on things that maybe I'll glaze over, or it

1386
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 1: might even lead to something really important or pivotal in

1387
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 1: a given spot that otherwise I just kind of glazed over.

1388
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: And yeah, having that reset moment where you're you're really

1389
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 1: paying attention to every detail and not missing that small stuff. Again,

1390
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: I've I've gone through those similar experiences and it it

1391
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: turned in very valuable when you're talking about looking at

1392
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 1: through the eyes of somebody else that maybe doesn't do

1393
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 1: it every day, And I think, I think the important

1394
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 1: lesson there, you know, if you're if you're on just

1395
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: a cold streak out there is there are just like

1396
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 1: so many different ways to address this, and you know,

1397
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 1: the industry sort of it doesn't it does a really

1398
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 1: good job of elevating people who sell that terminator mindset

1399
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 1: right like, this is all I do, that's all I

1400
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,479
Speaker 1: care about, the all I think about White Tail seven.

1401
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 1: I got divorced over it, blah blah blah. And you know,

1402
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:07,919
Speaker 1: there are you and I both know people who are

1403
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: actually like that. They're pretty freaking rare, and usually they're

1404
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:15,959
Speaker 1: assholes in my opinion just personally they kind of seem

1405
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 1: to be. But that's not the way for most people

1406
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: to do this and enjoy it. Like, if you're if

1407
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: you're out there and you're struggling a little bit, finding

1408
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: a way to have more fun in the woods is

1409
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 1: way better than just being like I have to be

1410
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 1: so you know, dialed in and so like I gotta

1411
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 1: be scouting constantly every day, and I gotta be running

1412
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 1: five thousand trail cameras, I gotta be doing this. Like

1413
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 1: that might be the answer for like a very very

1414
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 1: small percentage of hunters out there, but I think for

1415
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:46,919
Speaker 1: most people it's actually like that would hurt them a lot,

1416
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 1: like this image that we sell to them. Man, you

1417
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 1: you you said it a million times, and I totally

1418
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 1: agree with you. I've always agreed with this mindset. No

1419
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: one cares what you shoot. At the end of the day,

1420
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 1: no one, No one cares. So do you want to

1421
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: be that guy? Do you want to be that guy

1422
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: with that mentality of like, oh, you know, I just

1423
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: I don't I don't have time for a girlfriend or

1424
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: a wife, and I don't have time for kids because

1425
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 1: I'm out there. Because all that's gonna end up doing

1426
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: is you're gonna be eighty years old in a dusty

1427
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 1: house with big deer mounts around you, which okay, cool,

1428
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 1: but you're by yourself, and like that's it? Like that

1429
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: is that really what you want to Like you're hunting

1430
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: legacy whatever that might be to be I mean, or

1431
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 1: is it like you know, deer camp with buddies and

1432
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: learning and spending time out there and doing like you said,

1433
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: it's like going on a pheasant hunt, going on a

1434
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 1: deer turkey And I'm just like, you're just out there

1435
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 1: having a great time and fill in your freezer and

1436
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: having fun. Like I mean, it's and again, everybody can

1437
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 1: hunt their own hunt and have their own definition of

1438
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 1: what successes and in the in the deer woods. But

1439
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I just have never understood like

1440
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 1: I just I don't know that the macho nous of

1441
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 1: that of like I just got to kill the biggest

1442
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 1: and best and and and and and everything be damned

1443
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: where I'm just you know, I'll throw everything else to

1444
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 1: the wayside and lose my job and you know, get divorced.

1445
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 1: And I'm just like at the end of the day,

1446
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 1: like what do you what do you say, like rabbitsle banlers,

1447
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 1: that's what we're We're not here in childhood cancer here,

1448
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 1: you know, I got into the couple that owns the

1449
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 1: motel I stay at when I hunt in southwestern Wisconsin sometimes.

1450
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 1: Her husband is a duck guide down there on the

1451
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 1: Mississippi River. And when I was down there muzzleloader hunt

1452
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: and they were kind of wrapping up. It was his

1453
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: last couple hunts whatever, and I was talking to the

1454
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 1: wife and she was telling me how they had had

1455
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 1: some people in. I don't I thought. She said they

1456
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 1: came up from Texas or somewhere. They keep traveled somewhere,

1457
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: and she said when they were checking into the motel,

1458
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: they were talking about how they always do guided hunts

1459
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 1: for ducks and they always know more than the guides.

1460
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 1: And she was like, they were like, you know, we

1461
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 1: we know how to do this, we know what a

1462
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 1: decoy and call better. And I was like, I was like, well, hey,

1463
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 1: if that was true, you wouldn't be hiring guides everywhere

1464
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: and and be you're you're like puffing your chest out

1465
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 1: because you're murdering birds, Like are we are? We really

1466
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 1: like that into it that we have to like elevate,

1467
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And I get it, like

1468
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 1: it's a lifestyle, it's fun. But I just look at

1469
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 1: that and I go man, you're kind of delusional here

1470
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: like this, you should be out there because it's badass

1471
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 1: to work those mallards in and watch them circle and

1472
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,680
Speaker 1: it's sure is fun to shoot him out of the sky,

1473
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 1: but it's not like, you know, we're not like working

1474
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 1: on AI here. We're not gonna we're not gonna save

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Speaker 1: the world, you know, like we're taking these little former

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Speaker 1: dinosaurs with tiny little brains who see you know, who

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01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:33,720
Speaker 1: they think are their buddies. They're just plastic pieces of

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01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:35,599
Speaker 1: ship in the water and they're like, hey, I'm gonna

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01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 1: go down there, and all of a sudden, these pricks

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01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 1: jump out of a boat and shoot them, you know

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01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like yeah, and well, and to your point, man,

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01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 1: like I think there's something to be said there for

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01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:46,720
Speaker 1: like related to the slump thing, like if you're just

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01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're just so if you're just running

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01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 1: into the brick wall so hard like this year or whatever,

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01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 1: and you're just in this slump, like that's a really

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01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 1: great point of perspective, is don't make them smarter than

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01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 1: they are or or like they've got some crystal ball

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01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 1: and they're all knowing and don't get me wrong, incredible

1490
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:05,680
Speaker 1: instincts and they're they're intelligent, and they're just like unbelievably

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01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 1: good at surviving in their element. But they have to eat,

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01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 1: they have to sleep, they have to have water, like

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01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 1: if you just think even in the realm of that,

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01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 1: like you, you and I get asked all the time,

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01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 1: and you know, I've had this conversation a lot about

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01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: like if I'm on a trip somewhere I'm traveling, how

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Speaker 1: do I find a big buck or like, how do

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01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 1: I find that mature dear? And it's like, well, step

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Speaker 1: one is find dear, like identify where deer are congregating

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01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,719
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, and then that's you understand that because

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Speaker 1: nine times out of ten, you know or out of

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01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 1: the rud it doesn't matter, like forget the phase like

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01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 1: of whatever you know, prereadpost or whatever it is early season,

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01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 1: late season, doesn't matter. If you find dear, you're you're

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01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 1: you're like halfway there now now, depending on what your

1506
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 1: goals are for size and quality and age or whatever,

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01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 1: and that all that will obviously change the spectrum completely.

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01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 1: But finding dear could be the slot buster. You need

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01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 1: is understanding where you're at and figuring out, Okay, I

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01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 1: just need to go see deer. I need to find

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01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 1: the freshest sign and understand why these deer are here

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01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:13,599
Speaker 1: and then go from there. Yeah, there's dude, there's such

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01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:15,679
Speaker 1: a good a good point. I want to break down

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01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 1: in that because when you when we say learn like

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01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 1: learn to find deer first, like learned, learned how to

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01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 1: locate them, I think most people would listen to that

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01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 1: and go, well, I know I'm around deer. There's rubs

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01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 1: and scrapes and blah blah blah. It's like, no, no,

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01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 1: no, no no, can you walk in there and set up

1520
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 1: and have a bunch of deer walk past you and

1521
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 1: bow range because you there's a there's a big difference there,

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01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 1: you know. And this is so I talked about this

1523
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 1: all the time, but it's like it becomes so real

1524
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 1: when you elk hunt, when you when you go to

1525
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 1: that over the counter you did in Colorado and you're like,

1526
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 1: now I have this huge landscape and I need to

1527
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 1: get around them, and they're a low density animal and

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01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna be concentrated in a few spots. You just

1529
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 1: realize how worthless anything but the freshest sign actually is.

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01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 1: And even then are they still there? Like and you know,

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01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 1: we don't. We don't think about white tails that way

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01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 1: because we're like, oh, white tails live here, and it's like, man,

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01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 1: you probably don't own a whole section, right, Like you're

1534
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 1: probably not hunting that buck's entire home range or those

1535
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 1: deers like they might not live there or you might

1536
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 1: push them out real fast. Like, so when we say

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01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 1: get on dear, it's not just like don't look around

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01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 1: and be like, well, there's deer tracks in the mud,

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01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 1: there's a rub over there, like okay, can you can

1540
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,520
Speaker 1: you get an actual live dear to walk by you consistently?

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01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 1: That's a big difference, huge, huge, and it can teach

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01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: you so much about how they again you work you

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01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 1: and then work that back right, so it's like that

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01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 1: happens and then start asking like why is that dear there?

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01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:48,719
Speaker 1: Why are they moving in this like from this direction

1546
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 1: to this direction? And are they browsing as they go

1547
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 1: or they work like they're on like a destination where

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01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 1: they're just kind of marching through or what what's their

1549
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 1: behavior where they and then they then you and then

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01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 1: it's like okay, you take it, look at it from

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01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 1: like a map perspective, really get on your scouting and

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01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 1: then you start breaking down okay, like what if I

1553
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 1: move or or just physically boots on the ground scouting

1554
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 1: like you might have those deer come through, it might

1555
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 1: not be a deer you shoot, or maybe they're too

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01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 1: far away or whatever, and then you start like working

1557
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,720
Speaker 1: that back and trying to figure it out. Like to me,

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01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 1: like that is how you a uncomplicate the situation of

1559
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 1: finding like a good buck or or something you want

1560
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:25,719
Speaker 1: to shoot and be breaking yourself out of the slump.

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01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 1: It's like just moving into that spot where Okay, I'm

1562
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 1: around deer. Now this isn't this isn't the spot, but

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01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 1: I found the area and now I find need to

1564
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:35,640
Speaker 1: find the spot within the spot, right, And it's like

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01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 1: once you can start breaking it down that way, I

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01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 1: mean to me, like I think that's you get you know,

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01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 1: don't get all Mark Kenyon on it or like you're

1568
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 1: where you're charting numbers and like Parl, I'm just like, dude,

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01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 1: we're uh. I was texted him the other day that

1570
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 1: was just like are you doing what are you doing?

1571
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 1: And He's just like, oh, I'm figuring this out. I'm

1572
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 1: figuring this out. Like okay, man, like you do your

1573
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 1: money and I'm just like loving it. And but anyway,

1574
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 1: like so we don't really to you know, and there

1575
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: well we could actually have a whole entire podcast about

1576
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 1: what's going on with Mark, but but we uh. But

1577
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:15,759
Speaker 1: but finding that spot within the spot, working that back,

1578
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:17,519
Speaker 1: like to me, those that's the kind of stuff that

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01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 1: breaks them up. Like that's the stuff that you can

1580
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 1: you can then again, you're not forcefully trying to make

1581
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 1: something happen, but you're taking steps to work with the deer,

1582
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 1: right intend it's not trying to like ram your way

1583
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 1: into them. I think I think that can work. Yeah,

1584
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 1: you're you're not going through the motions, you're actually still

1585
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:38,480
Speaker 1: trying to figure something out. Yeah for sure. Yeah, absolutely,

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01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 1: that's it's so important, buddy. We are out of time. Uh,

1587
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 1: people can find your writing, you know, meat eat or

1588
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 1: slash Wire to hunt you. You're doing a bunch of

1589
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 1: articles for us. There. What else are you doing out there? Oh?

1590
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 1: I guess you can follow Instagram and Facebook. I don't

1591
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 1: post very much, but I'm trying to trying to. But

1592
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 1: you posted the picture of that big Iowa buck. I did.

1593
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 1: It was it was a little late, but I did.

1594
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:04,320
Speaker 1: I did finally get something up there. I gotta do it. Yeah, yeah,

1595
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:06,639
Speaker 1: I gotta do it. So yeah, I mean just Alex

1596
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 1: skills from me and you don't add Alex skills from Facebook, Instagram.

1597
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 1: And then like you said, I write, write a bunch

1598
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:12,640
Speaker 1: for for me to hear you guys over there and

1599
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 1: love doing that. So that's the best place to find

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01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 1: find the stuff. Awesome. Well, I appreciate it, buddy. Good

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01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 1: luck with that baby that's coming up here. Thanks for everything, man,

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01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, buddy. That's it for this week, folks,

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01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 1: be sure to tune in next week for more white

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Speaker 1: tail goodness. This has been the Wired to Hunt podcast

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Speaker 1: and I'm your guest host Tony Peterson. As always, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for listening, and if you're looking for

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Speaker 1: more white tail content, be sure to check out the

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Speaker 1: meat eator dot com slash wired to see a pile

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Speaker 1: of new articles each week by Mark Alex, who's the

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Speaker 1: guest on this show, myself, and a whole slew of

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Speaker 1: white tail addicts, Or you can head on over to

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Speaker 1: the wire to Hunt YouTube channel to view the weekly

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Speaker 1: content we dropped