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Speaker 1: Star in Friscoola. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brovis, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: and Bill Jones. And it is a fantastic Friday edition
Speaker 1: of Talking Cowboys. As we get you said, for another
Speaker 1: frolicking football weekend, mister a literation. She gonna be careful
Speaker 1: of those, by the way, she's ah. Yes. It kicked
Speaker 1: off last night with Thursday Night football. It continues tonight
Speaker 1: with high school football. We got college football tomorrow. We
Speaker 1: got the Cowboys on the Redskin Sunday at noon Dallas time.
Speaker 1: And who's making the trip? Those two Rob Phillips, Mickey
Speaker 1: Spagnola making the trip, Not me anything special on your
Speaker 1: trip to DC. I'm planning to be a tourist if
Speaker 1: I can get over there and do it, if my
Speaker 1: back cooperates, and do some do some sightsee. And that's
Speaker 1: my plan. What do you want to go see? Everything? Everything,
Speaker 1: everything related to this great country? Yes, so you want
Speaker 1: to walk down the I want to do the landmarks,
Speaker 1: the mall, yeah, I want to do all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Have you never done that before? I've never done it. Oh,
Speaker 1: come on, seriously. I mean we did a little bit
Speaker 1: on the trip last year with the team, but I
Speaker 1: saw the Lincoln Monument, but I want to see We'll
Speaker 1: see more. That's my plan. I like to win the team.
Speaker 1: Good football. Yeah, well obviously that too. Yeah good football, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: some some good football. But it is great to renew
Speaker 1: the rivalry, which hasn't been as much of a rivalry
Speaker 1: the last twenty years. But it's still the red Skins.
Speaker 1: And in Washington they say it's Cowboys week, and here
Speaker 1: we say it's red Skins just for team. Though they can't.
Speaker 1: They don't. They don't want to start oh and two
Speaker 1: in the division, you know, and oh yes, not just
Speaker 1: in two period, right into the division, you know, in
Speaker 1: FedEx Field. Mickey has written a book on the great
Speaker 1: history of this rivalry and yeah, this is probably his place,
Speaker 1: is not RFK, but it's it's got the weirdness to it,
Speaker 1: you know, it's got the weird field of games. It's
Speaker 1: got the the the bouncing of balls and injured players
Speaker 1: playing great and you know, and guys, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: unfortunate calls in a game that kind of turn it
Speaker 1: one way or another, and you know, so, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think this is going to be difficult. The Cowboys a
Speaker 1: better team, yes, they're absolutely a better team, but just
Speaker 1: with desperation week two. And this just goes back to
Speaker 1: my days of being on the personnel side. You know,
Speaker 1: those teams are oh and one. You will do anything
Speaker 1: in your power to make that thing one and one.
Speaker 1: And now you're talking about, oh wait, we we've got
Speaker 1: to make sure that we're not O and two in
Speaker 1: the division with you know, the way things are, I mean,
Speaker 1: that could put you in an early hole, especially with
Speaker 1: the way this division tends to be. Like Rob likes
Speaker 1: to say, one game, you know, it could come down
Speaker 1: to one game, and yeah, Dallas goes and finds a
Speaker 1: way to get a victory there at that that crazy
Speaker 1: place called FedEx. That puts them in a good spot,
Speaker 1: you know. Now, you know with the Dolphins coming to town,
Speaker 1: and then you got the games with New Orleans and
Speaker 1: so you take them one at a time, as coaches
Speaker 1: like to say, But this this is important really for
Speaker 1: both teams if you want to look at it that way.
Speaker 1: Ye shot doesn't always hold up out there. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm you know, you look at this roster for
Speaker 1: Washington and I don't say Cowboys have the better team
Speaker 1: on paper. They do, my opinion, they do. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think everybody feels that way. But they've got some talent
Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball. They have some weapons,
Speaker 1: some young guys. You know, we talked about McLaren this week.
Speaker 1: On offense, We've talked about their defensive line. They have
Speaker 1: guys that can give you problems. And then you factor
Speaker 1: in having to go up there and deal with that
Speaker 1: crowd noise. That's I'm interested to see how this offense
Speaker 1: responds in a hostile environment. Gonna be awesome. The good
Speaker 1: thing about it, though, is there's a lot of fans
Speaker 1: Cowboy fans in that area. I know when I used
Speaker 1: to make when I used to make the trips, I'll
Speaker 1: never forget that how loud it was when Romo threw
Speaker 1: that fourth down pass to Murray that won that game.
Speaker 1: You know, he was playing with the busted back and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. So the fan base there does a
Speaker 1: nice job of fighting the redskin fans who could be
Speaker 1: pretty pretty pretty vocal in the you know, but you
Speaker 1: got to give them a Washington Redskins have got to
Speaker 1: give them a reason to play. I mean, they've got
Speaker 1: to get a reason for those fans to get involved,
Speaker 1: because the Cowboys will do a good job of getting
Speaker 1: their guys home. But yeah, it's just a difficult place
Speaker 1: to play. The grass. Some the officials, you have to
Speaker 1: play them sometimes, you know, again, desperation, There's so many
Speaker 1: things that factor into already a week two games. I'm
Speaker 1: one of these guys, and I'm sorry this is the
Speaker 1: way I am. I see every game as being must win.
Speaker 1: That's just me because i know at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, I'm either going to have enough or I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna have enough. So you got to go out
Speaker 1: there and play like it's you know. And the Redskins,
Speaker 1: I think are they see it as already as we
Speaker 1: can't fall down to this thing. Look at like Carolina
Speaker 1: last night after that game, all the interviews with you know,
Speaker 1: the players were just you know, Cam Newton and McCaffrey,
Speaker 1: they're all just distraught that you know, they're oh and
Speaker 1: two and both their losses have been at home, you know,
Speaker 1: and now you're now you're thinking of having to dig out,
Speaker 1: you know, and the quarterback. He's playing like he's playing
Speaker 1: right now exactly exactly so that you know, I don't
Speaker 1: think Washington wants to feel that. And you know, Dallas,
Speaker 1: like I said, Dallas is a better football team than
Speaker 1: the Washington Redskins if you just went player for player.
Speaker 1: But it's gonna be up to them to go out
Speaker 1: there and play like they were a better ten. It
Speaker 1: is still, as Mickey knows because he's covered this team
Speaker 1: a long time, it's the biggest game of the year
Speaker 1: for the fans that aren't on the Cowboys side. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a huge week. Cowboys Week is bigger
Speaker 1: up there than the Redskins Week is down here. There's
Speaker 1: no Redskins Week here, and that's true, but it's Cowboys
Speaker 1: Week up there. Believe me, I'm glad you brought up
Speaker 1: the romo to Murray. I mean, that was one loudest
Speaker 1: whatever I mean on a visiting stadium. I couldn't believe
Speaker 1: how loud that was. Because we think of the great
Speaker 1: moments and from the Cowboys perspective in this rivalry, going
Speaker 1: back to Clint longleyand Thanksgiving Day. D Roger in his
Speaker 1: last regular season game in seventy nine, The Great Comeback
Speaker 1: thirty five, thirty four. I love the Joeth Eisman Birthday
Speaker 1: game at Texas Stadium where the Cowboys blew him out
Speaker 1: in the season opener. Uh Nate Newton was talking about
Speaker 1: the game in the early nineties when the Redskins had
Speaker 1: the best team in the league. Sure, and they go
Speaker 1: in there and the on side kick and the Cowboys
Speaker 1: hit him in the mouth. And the Cowboys didn't have
Speaker 1: the best team on paper that year, but they won
Speaker 1: on that day. But that Romo game, I mean, it
Speaker 1: goes right up there with one of the greatest performances
Speaker 1: in this rivalry. Oh no, there's no question. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean him he could barely I mean, if you remember,
Speaker 1: I think that was set up by a throw to
Speaker 1: Terrence Williams down the sidelines that they busted coverage on. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many big plays in the history,
Speaker 1: but it's gonna take big plays to win this game
Speaker 1: on Sunday. You know. That's the one thing that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have shown, at least through Week one, is they're
Speaker 1: capable of making those big plays. They could put a
Speaker 1: lot of pressure on Greg Manuski in this defense. They
Speaker 1: if they if Manuski has that's the That's the thing
Speaker 1: about dealing with the Cowboys now is if you do
Speaker 1: make a mistake, a ten twelve yard pass turns into
Speaker 1: a sixty yard play. You know you have that kind
Speaker 1: of ability and you have a quarterback that's understanding what's
Speaker 1: going on, and then you're gonna get this running back.
Speaker 1: You know he knows. Okay, now it's time for me.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing I'm seeing all these guys do things. Now
Speaker 1: it's time for me and no week two. Hey, let's
Speaker 1: get me going here. You know he knows what he
Speaker 1: has to do. Yeah. I wrote about during the week
Speaker 1: that the top three wide receivers on this team were
Speaker 1: in the top thirty or whatever among receivers and yards
Speaker 1: after catch in that game. And I wonder if that's
Speaker 1: going to turn into a trend because they got three
Speaker 1: guys they can really do something with the football after
Speaker 1: they get it. Now, on the flip side, how much
Speaker 1: can this defense tighten up from last week? Because Washington
Speaker 1: has guys that can beat you too. And case Keenum
Speaker 1: narrowly missed McLaurin again. Deep he would we talk about
Speaker 1: Dak four oh five, he would have been well over
Speaker 1: four hundred with probably another touchdown had he had he
Speaker 1: connected deep in that second half. Well case, Keena, if
Speaker 1: we remember a couple of years ago, maybe three years
Speaker 1: two years ago, led a Minnesota Viking team to the
Speaker 1: NFC Championship game. You know, so, yeah, it's a good quarterback.
Speaker 1: You know, he has a good quarterback. I think you
Speaker 1: have to be very mindful of him as a player
Speaker 1: and he's not going to make mistakes. That's kind of
Speaker 1: where you know, you we talked about with Smith last
Speaker 1: year what he was able to do, and you know
Speaker 1: how he just kind of down the same type of guy,
Speaker 1: not gonna take a bunch of sacks. If he does
Speaker 1: get hit, he's gonna get up, he's gonna throw a
Speaker 1: three quarters side arm. He's gonna throw it around you.
Speaker 1: He's gonna move around in the pocket a little bit.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you have to And if they get that
Speaker 1: running game going, you know, if Dallas has problems stopping
Speaker 1: the run, then this game could be very close, very tight,
Speaker 1: and then it's anybody's game if it's that. If that's
Speaker 1: the case, because then you have to say, okay, well
Speaker 1: they need to block Ryan Carrigan. Now, I do like
Speaker 1: the matchup with the Cowboys, and I've got my pick
Speaker 1: to click when we get to that. But you know,
Speaker 1: I like some of the matchups on the defensive side
Speaker 1: of the ball for the Cowboys. If it turns into
Speaker 1: a game where they where the Redskins have to throw
Speaker 1: the football consistently to come back in this game, and
Speaker 1: the Redskins a week ago, you know, they get up
Speaker 1: seventeen nothing in that game and they never established the
Speaker 1: run against the Eagles. Left guys had eighteen yards on
Speaker 1: ten Carreys and I think Thompson was three for ten, right,
Speaker 1: and you know they didn't even apparently didn't even try to.
Speaker 1: It was too late. And once they lost Jonathan Allen
Speaker 1: on defense, that's when that's when the Eagles took full
Speaker 1: advantage of what was going on with that front. They
Speaker 1: did not have the depth that the Cowboys have along
Speaker 1: that defensive line. And that's gonna be that's gonna be
Speaker 1: the big issue for them is how are they going
Speaker 1: to replace Jonathan Allen in this game. I have a
Speaker 1: feeling that Tim Settle is going to go outside there,
Speaker 1: but they're gonna have to rotate a lot of guys
Speaker 1: through there. But that is a big, big, loss for
Speaker 1: those guys to have to deal with, and good for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys if it's in fact, Okay, got to find
Speaker 1: a way to kind of run the football a little
Speaker 1: bit or at least establish some balance to how they're
Speaker 1: going to play. And basically the guys they have up
Speaker 1: front now that Allen is out, then who's a former
Speaker 1: first round draft pick is another Alabama first round pick
Speaker 1: and Ron Payne. But good playing you get fifth rounders.
Speaker 1: But matt Ionidas has played well. He is he's he's
Speaker 1: a He's their version of Tyron Crawford. If I say that,
Speaker 1: I mean that is he is a He's a guy
Speaker 1: that could kind of play a couple different spots. He's
Speaker 1: never gonna flash at you with a lot of pass rush.
Speaker 1: He's really a powerful guy. He plays square, he's very
Speaker 1: good against the run, and he tends to play a
Speaker 1: little high then people can take advantage of, but he
Speaker 1: does and he plays with knee ben and he's along
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. So yeah, they're gonna have to
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to come out here, and if they're
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to be physical with this this Washington
Speaker 1: offensive line. If they want to get Ezekiel l a
Speaker 1: going well and then along those lines, I'm just looking
Speaker 1: at the coaches film a little bit from last week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that fifth round linebacker Cole Holcomb. Yeah yeah, I wrote
Speaker 1: about him as my under the radar guy this week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he is a guy that if you watched him play
Speaker 1: at North Carolina, he's got four or five speed legits,
Speaker 1: got a vander Ash look to a money very long.
Speaker 1: He could run, and he and when he has a
Speaker 1: feel for how to shoot gaps. So if you don't
Speaker 1: get second level hats on him, he'll run through or
Speaker 1: he'll run backside to chase plays. That's what he did
Speaker 1: at North Carolina. Now, he could be a little too
Speaker 1: aggressive too. You'll see him sometimes go too far and
Speaker 1: then and then get washed on the play and then
Speaker 1: go that way. So yeah, it's a that's how you
Speaker 1: have to kind of you get You gotta make sure
Speaker 1: you get hats on on him the way. He had
Speaker 1: a really good kind of an emergency starter last week,
Speaker 1: but showed some really good things for these guys. And
Speaker 1: as as we dive, we just by happenstance started diving
Speaker 1: into the redskin defense here that Montes sweat Wow, one
Speaker 1: of my favorite players. I'm surprised the Raiders didn't take
Speaker 1: him with the you know, I know they took the
Speaker 1: kid from Clemson the fourth overall. Sweat to me would
Speaker 1: have been a better pick right there. And I was
Speaker 1: really surprised that he lasted to I believe seventeen. And
Speaker 1: you'll see it on the Jason Garrett Show, probably posted
Speaker 1: on Dallas Cowboys dot com. He breaks down Will McClay
Speaker 1: breaks down the edge rushers, both Kerrigan and Montes. And
Speaker 1: I asked, I asked him about Sweat and I had
Speaker 1: forgotten this, and you're well aware of it. He had.
Speaker 1: Was it a heart issue? Start issuing the kid? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's why he slid until late first run. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like the kid from Michigan that went in
Speaker 1: the fifth round to the Raiders that this was one
Speaker 1: that everybody kind of you know, they kind of got
Speaker 1: a handle on real early in here, all right, And
Speaker 1: I didn't really and maybe because of the heart issue whatever,
Speaker 1: I didn't really look at him. I don't have time
Speaker 1: like you do. You can go into these draft prospects.
Speaker 1: And so I saw him for the basically for the
Speaker 1: first time yesterday, and I went whoa look at this guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Will was breaking it down the first My first
Speaker 1: reaction on him was, look at the long arms on
Speaker 1: that guy he is and he and Will said, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're thirty five six. Yeah, every every every thing that
Speaker 1: he had to go through when he went through his
Speaker 1: senior year at Mississippi State, to the Senior Bowl, to
Speaker 1: the Combine to getting drafted, all that, there was an
Speaker 1: improvement in everything that he did along the way. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was impressive Mississippi State, he got the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: was clearly one of the best players on the field.
Speaker 1: And then you look at what he's what he was
Speaker 1: able to do in the draft, get the draft, and
Speaker 1: then now with the Redskins, and so I was shocked
Speaker 1: that he lasted the stuff too. But you're you're saying
Speaker 1: there was a medical condition. You're absolutely right about that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you have to be ready for him, and
Speaker 1: he's got that that the length you talked about with
Speaker 1: that edge rush, and you know, Dak is very well
Speaker 1: aware of him. He's watched him playing college after this one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's still got some dudes up front, even without Jonathan Allen.
Speaker 1: But I know, try Micky, you were talking about the
Speaker 1: fan this morning that they got to get Zeke going.
Speaker 1: You think he's ready for more of a load. I do,
Speaker 1: and I can tell the way Jason answered the question today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't dive into it, but thirty seven
Speaker 1: snaps in the game is better than any practice you
Speaker 1: ever get. So uh, he and I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's on a pitch count anymore. I don't think
Speaker 1: go with him, yeah, and let him go. Six practices
Speaker 1: and thirty seven snaps in a game. There's no holding
Speaker 1: back now, Okay, So then what kind of what kind
Speaker 1: of playing time does Pollard? How are you gonna use
Speaker 1: Pollard if you're gonna if you're gonna go ahead and
Speaker 1: give Zeke the full dose? I mean, because that was
Speaker 1: those were thirty seven snaps in three quarters for Zeke.
Speaker 1: He didn't play in the fourth quarter, and so if
Speaker 1: that was a close game, he would have been over
Speaker 1: fifty snaps in that game. Well, Pollard got yeah, And
Speaker 1: so I thought the twenty some right, right, And so
Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting as we go along how
Speaker 1: Pollard has used. But I thought the way they used
Speaker 1: Pollard was effective and and I don't know that it
Speaker 1: will for the first three quarters of that game, that
Speaker 1: it won't be that much different really, twenty two snaps
Speaker 1: and and what they're gonna do is go back to
Speaker 1: the original plan before Zeke had to hold out. The
Speaker 1: idea was to incorporate him in the offense, give him
Speaker 1: a series here, or maybe just a play here or
Speaker 1: play there, and then get him involved in the passing
Speaker 1: game because he's a complimentary guy, right he. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can pretty much line him up anywhere, and he
Speaker 1: probably can do if and it doesn't look like Tavon's
Speaker 1: playing right, he's still he's out Cush protocol, so he's out.
Speaker 1: So maybe Pollard picks up some of that. In the offense,
Speaker 1: he can go in the slot. That's what their idea
Speaker 1: was to use him. So from a mental standpoint, for
Speaker 1: a rookie in his second NFL game, how big? How
Speaker 1: big is it putting extra stuff like playing him in
Speaker 1: the slot on no on his plate? Young Bill Walsh
Speaker 1: will get him involved. I wouldn't be surprised if Young
Speaker 1: Bill Walsh will get him involved. I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 1: if we see him that, you know, I wouldn't. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised to see them in the backfield together.
Speaker 1: You know, you you come up with create. The thing
Speaker 1: about Kellen Moore is he was totally on board when
Speaker 1: they drafted. It wasn't like a cell job to him
Speaker 1: from Gary Brown and Phillip Tanner and those guys. It
Speaker 1: was like, hey, we've got a We've got a guy
Speaker 1: that can do a lot of different things. So find
Speaker 1: ways to incorporate both those guys. You know there's opportunities there.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to be creative. He comes up
Speaker 1: with wrinkles. You know, we could see them both play.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Mickey's right. You know the original plan is
Speaker 1: run Zeke, run Zeke, and then if you need that changeup,
Speaker 1: go ahead and put him in there. Because he practiced
Speaker 1: all through train cap you should not be worried if
Speaker 1: you you evaluated him during training camp and he had
Speaker 1: a full load to begin with because he was really
Speaker 1: the only one out there that was playing. So and
Speaker 1: then week to week you have a package for him
Speaker 1: and so from a mental standpoint, he can handle it
Speaker 1: because you're not overloading him with a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 1: It's just what's in the game. What's in the game
Speaker 1: play from week to week? Right, think about when they
Speaker 1: had Dunbar here. I mean it was like it was
Speaker 1: a package like you mentioned. But this guy's a little
Speaker 1: different because I think he can actually he can be
Speaker 1: a between the tackles guy. In addition to I like
Speaker 1: what I saw from him between the tackles last week.
Speaker 1: I mean he had sort of a zeke look to him.
Speaker 1: You know. Sometimes I was I was like, which one's
Speaker 1: in the game right there? You know, and the numbers
Speaker 1: weren't there. No, but you're also trying to kind of
Speaker 1: wind the clock out. The giants know what you're trying
Speaker 1: to do. There were no holes there. He's exactly ready.
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Speaker 1: Danny was pretty good last week for his Fish one. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: here's well, since we mentioned Danny, I was doing little
Speaker 1: bit of research on Jay Gruden, Will McClay Danny White.
Speaker 1: Where am I going with that? Jay Gruden, Will McClay
Speaker 1: Danny White. Okay, Danny White went to school Arizona State.
Speaker 1: Will McClay went to Rice. Not that indoor football. It's
Speaker 1: the Arizona Rattlers, Arena football and Utah and well yeah,
Speaker 1: in oh six he became the head coach of the
Speaker 1: Utah Ways. Okay, I got to get these teams. Okay.
Speaker 1: Will was the Dallas Desperados, Jay Gruden was the Orlando Predators.
Speaker 1: Will played for the Detroit Drive one Championships there yea,
Speaker 1: and then they played Orlando. The Desperadoes did for the
Speaker 1: championship game. I think it was well. Danny White did
Speaker 1: a heck of a job with the Arizona Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I've done the research on it. In fact, Jay Gruden,
Speaker 1: of course was a player in the In fact, he
Speaker 1: was an MVP of the league for the Tampa Bay Storm.
Speaker 1: Back stories. Okay, Tim Markham I think was head coach
Speaker 1: then okay, and so well, there's a connection with the
Speaker 1: coaches here. Of course, Garrett played for the San Antonio
Speaker 1: franchise in the World League of American Football. Was part
Speaker 1: of that. Jay Gruden was with the Barcelona Dragons in
Speaker 1: ninety one with Jack mcnell. Okay, and then Gruden started
Speaker 1: playing for the Arena Football League Tampa Bay Storm in
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety one. He was in the league MVP.
Speaker 1: They won four titles with him as the quarterback that team.
Speaker 1: He was the quarterback of the team, all right, But
Speaker 1: take it before that and Will McClay, as Rob mentioned,
Speaker 1: he played for the Detroit Drive. They won three Arena
Speaker 1: Football titles three Arena Bowls in eighty nine, ninety and
Speaker 1: ninety two. Jay Gruden was on Arena Bowl champions in
Speaker 1: ninety one, ninety three, ninety five, and ninety six, Danny
Speaker 1: White coach the Arizona Rattlers to the Arena Bowl title
Speaker 1: in ninety four and ninety seven. There is a stretch
Speaker 1: from nineteen eighty nine to two thousand and four where
Speaker 1: one of those three Will McClay, Jay Gruden or Danny White,
Speaker 1: we're in the championship game in one of those three
Speaker 1: one ten straight titles from nineteen eighty nine to nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety Arena Royalty. I actually got Jake's playing decks contract
Speaker 1: to us. I got Jay Gruden on the phone like
Speaker 1: ten years ago, fifteen years ago now to talk about
Speaker 1: McLay and because they're buddies. Yeah, and they were arrivals, yeah,
Speaker 1: and just they were just oh they he's just ribbing
Speaker 1: each other. I mean, yes, hilarious, hilarious. And both the
Speaker 1: Jay Gruden and Danny White are in the Arena Football
Speaker 1: League Hall of Fame located where uh, let's say, Tampa,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you don't look that upland yeah, look
Speaker 1: that up Arena Ball Hall of Fame. You know, but
Speaker 1: it says a lot about you know, might have a
Speaker 1: hall of Fame without a building. Yeah, Yeah, Arina Ball
Speaker 1: has been going for a long time now. That Dave
Speaker 1: Baker bail down him. Yeah, yeah, that's right to go
Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame himself. Commission. He looks like
Speaker 1: Babe Ruth. No, he's not lying. He's larger than life.
Speaker 1: So was his head. He does have a buckethead. He does. Okay, man,
Speaker 1: he's not He's a big man. Yeah, yep. In fact,
Speaker 1: I remember I remember interviewing him during arena football and
Speaker 1: You're amazing how big his head was. I was amazed,
Speaker 1: how bigger the human being has a big man. That
Speaker 1: might have been one of Rob's first assignments here. What
Speaker 1: was that covering arena ball, That's what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, did yeah, were you doing the sideline reporting
Speaker 1: for the game? Ry table, I was doing it. I did.
Speaker 1: I did a radio and we did TV. I did TV,
Speaker 1: did the game and did we have rocket? We had
Speaker 1: rocket rocket ismail speaking of as we bring it back
Speaker 1: to Cowboys is here Cowboys. Rockey Rock was the analyst
Speaker 1: on what and it's the It was the first arena
Speaker 1: football game he had ever seen. It's so rocket. It
Speaker 1: was like every whenever a play, any play was made,
Speaker 1: which was any play at the game. There's a play
Speaker 1: made every single play. I mean it's like a touchdown here,
Speaker 1: a touchdown there. And his commentary was strictly wow wow Yeah.
Speaker 1: So were you doing the game the time we were
Speaker 1: sitting basically we were located in the stands. They're they're
Speaker 1: hating you right now in periscope right next to the game, Charlotte. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah, Okay, anyway, that's enough arena talk.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, he found it, found it all right,
Speaker 1: let's open up the phone lines and so you can
Speaker 1: Yeah eight eight five five two two nine seven. So
Speaker 1: you're on periscope there and you got anything on. They're
Speaker 1: bitching about the fact that we get off topic every
Speaker 1: once in a while. Yeah, but it related to the game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there we go. Yeah, YEA one is in the Arena
Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame. By the way, he is to
Speaker 1: go in here. I've already said that, welcome member Glands
Speaker 1: And where's the building there? Kayden, Oh, that's going to
Speaker 1: take another third of us. But how about well, speaking
Speaker 1: of I didn't we weren't speaking of hot seats, but
Speaker 1: I was thinking of hot seats and Ron Rivera. But
Speaker 1: now being on the hot seat in Carolina, how about
Speaker 1: Jay Bruten, Jake Grutin. He has all this arena football experience,
Speaker 1: and then he was an offensive coordinator for the Cincinnati
Speaker 1: Bengals for three years and got this head coaching job.
Speaker 1: So they haven't had a whole lot of success in
Speaker 1: Washington with him as the head coach. No, and that's
Speaker 1: why again, I think this game is really really important
Speaker 1: that they you know, you don't want to find him.
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to find himself losing a team. You know,
Speaker 1: they go down oh and two, and then I think
Speaker 1: they have the Bears the following week. You know, I mean,
Speaker 1: it doesn't get any easier for any of these teams.
Speaker 1: You got to find a way to win these games
Speaker 1: and stuff. So nobody in the league feels sorry for
Speaker 1: anybody though. I mean, trust me, they don't feel sorry
Speaker 1: for you know, Carolina and guy. I don't feel sorry
Speaker 1: for Washington or anybody else in this league. So, uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's but it's he is. He's under he's under
Speaker 1: some pressure, but they've given him a lot of time
Speaker 1: to try and haven't given him a quarterback. They no,
Speaker 1: well they had Alex Smith and yeah, you know, well
Speaker 1: he did a nice job for them, but they drafted
Speaker 1: a quarterback this year though, the kid they drafted, the
Speaker 1: kid they're just not They're just not ready to play.
Speaker 1: I mean, Dwayne Haskins this isn't ready to play it,
Speaker 1: and Gruden might not. I mean it might get to
Speaker 1: the middle of the season where all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: next time we played them, it might be Dwayne Haskins
Speaker 1: played for the last game of the season. Yeah. Pretty
Speaker 1: good Yeah, pretty good chance Dwayne Haskins is going to
Speaker 1: be the quarterback for the Redskins in the last game
Speaker 1: of the season. All right, periscope actually coming through here.
Speaker 1: What's more important here, uh, fixing the run defense or
Speaker 1: getting to their quarterback question they have. Well, if you
Speaker 1: don't fix the run defense, you ain't gonna get through
Speaker 1: the quarterback. Yeah, I think that pretty simple. Guys on
Speaker 1: defense will tell you that everything starts with the run.
Speaker 1: I looked it up. I think we said Adrian Peterson
Speaker 1: went over one hundred yards last year. He had ninety
Speaker 1: nine and it took him a lot of carries, but
Speaker 1: he really hard in the game and kept them kind
Speaker 1: of balanced on offense. So that's going to be a challenge.
Speaker 1: But I would say I would say up front, stopping
Speaker 1: the run and Christoph Shard spoke to the media yesterday
Speaker 1: and just said it's just all about being discipline or
Speaker 1: gaps basically. I mean nothing, no secret sauce. They're just
Speaker 1: getting back to what they do and we'll see if
Speaker 1: they can clean it up. Yeah, it'll probably helped that.
Speaker 1: Crawford and Lawrence will play more. I said half the
Speaker 1: game it was it was sixty two snaps combined from
Speaker 1: this two and you've got to think both will You know,
Speaker 1: Crawford had a good day yesterday, so I think that
Speaker 1: looks good for him Sunday to try to up the
Speaker 1: workload a little bit. You gotta think Tank will have
Speaker 1: more than thirty two snaps. I mean there were sixty
Speaker 1: nine snaps. I believe the opponent's win ran last week,
Speaker 1: so you know, a normal dose for him would be
Speaker 1: around forty five to fifty. And now that he's healthy,
Speaker 1: you know, they were holding him back last year because
Speaker 1: of the shoulder. They knew he was limited. So both
Speaker 1: of those guys, if you know, if they're ready to go,
Speaker 1: let's go. Um, but they better stop the run because
Speaker 1: if you're not stopping the run, then you're going to
Speaker 1: be so conscious of play fakes. And you're you're gonna
Speaker 1: get killed. Well, and all you have to do is
Speaker 1: look at that game last night and what Tampa Bay
Speaker 1: did to Carolina stopping the run. I believe Tampa Carolina
Speaker 1: had nineteen carries for thirty nine yards in this game
Speaker 1: and McCaffrey went over two hundred yards total offense a
Speaker 1: week ago and they had they were all over cam Well,
Speaker 1: let's go to speaking of that. Scott in Pasadena here
Speaker 1: on talking Cowboys. Hello Scott, good morning Bill. It's Lynn Scott.
Speaker 1: How are you guys, Lynn Scott, Yeah, former former defensive back.
Speaker 1: There was there was Lynn Scott. Right, you was pretty good?
Speaker 1: Pretty good play Pasadena, Texas or California? Thank you? Good
Speaker 1: morning ye where the suitors will be tomorrow night to
Speaker 1: take on the UCLA Bruins and Chip Kelly go ahead,
Speaker 1: you would bring that. Thank you one for your support.
Speaker 1: I've been working on my California teaching credential and I
Speaker 1: get up early in the morning study and then use
Speaker 1: your show. It's my break. There you go. Ja Ja
Speaker 1: received my clear credentials this week, so thank you. Um.
Speaker 1: I want to tell you I looked at take from
Speaker 1: the last two games we played, Watchington last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Game two went so well for us, and it looks
Speaker 1: like we had two war daddies. One on defense Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory just dominated and on offense Samarti Cooper. Now, I
Speaker 1: was just wondering who you think our war daddies will
Speaker 1: be on offense and defense Sunday. Thanks, that's kind of
Speaker 1: getting click click Yeah for sure. Oh you gotta wait
Speaker 1: another half hour for that, No, another ten minutes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to show now you know what we could do?
Speaker 1: Pick the CLI why not? You know what? Can I
Speaker 1: start first? Inst I'm gonna pick. Some of you guys
Speaker 1: aren't gonna pick because I'm I'm gonna go with Tyron
Speaker 1: Crawford in this game. I think it. And I asked
Speaker 1: the question that Jason Garrett about Donald Penn, and I
Speaker 1: think that Donald Penn is had a great has had
Speaker 1: a great career, and I think there's a replacement to
Speaker 1: Trent Williams. He's been okay. But the longer that Donald
Speaker 1: Penn has to block, the harder it is for him
Speaker 1: to maintain that leverage and maintain his ability to stay
Speaker 1: with this guy to sustain and I and you and you.
Speaker 1: These are the types of games where Crawford. He's gonna
Speaker 1: he's gonna win with He's gonna win with power, He's
Speaker 1: gonna win with some agility. He's going to win with effort.
Speaker 1: You know, this is a Donald pen not holding up
Speaker 1: very well and then all of a sudden, if it
Speaker 1: turns into them throwing the football. I could see Crawford
Speaker 1: being a factor in this game, rushing the pastor at
Speaker 1: Donald Penn, anybody on that left side. If you play
Speaker 1: with effort, if you stay after it, you play with
Speaker 1: the intensity, Donald Penn can be broken down. And I
Speaker 1: think that's gonna be a good matchup for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: not only on the run, but also when when they
Speaker 1: stop to throw the football. Keep an eye on him, Crawford. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right? Tyrone offered the pick to click. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go to the offensive line for Dallas and Brian wrote
Speaker 1: about Connor Williams this week. I got my eye on
Speaker 1: him in this game because we talked all offseason about
Speaker 1: how he's added strength and bulk, and this is the
Speaker 1: type of matchup where he's got to show it off
Speaker 1: against iron pain in the middle of the line. So
Speaker 1: i'm i'm I think if he can have a big
Speaker 1: day and control that. Then this offense has a chance
Speaker 1: to spite the environment and a pretty good defensive line
Speaker 1: for Washington. They got a chance to do some things
Speaker 1: again offensively that they want to do. We're staying on
Speaker 1: defense or offense, wherever you want to go. Pick. I'm
Speaker 1: I am ready to see Zeke explode. I think that
Speaker 1: he's ready to go. They're gonna ride him. And I
Speaker 1: think Washington will be so worried about the passing game that,
Speaker 1: as Michael Irvin pointed out this week, and go ahead
Speaker 1: and pick your poison. And I think that they're gonna
Speaker 1: pick the most. Uh, They're gonna the most recent thing
Speaker 1: the Cowboys did, which was throw the ball. So I
Speaker 1: think they might get a clean box to be able
Speaker 1: to run and watch out for Zeke. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with Layton vander Esch making some plays and also being
Speaker 1: a key in the run defense. Yeah, and you're gonna
Speaker 1: need it. You're gonna need guys getting off blocks. Seriously,
Speaker 1: this is gonna if the Washington does have success, it's
Speaker 1: because Dallas didn't do a very good job of playing
Speaker 1: with their hands and getting off blocks. I'm just you know,
Speaker 1: because you know there's there's there were some games like
Speaker 1: the game last year that was played there at fed
Speaker 1: X where Peterson had some just clear shot runt holes,
Speaker 1: you know, where guys were hats on hats and now
Speaker 1: he's taking it up inside and you know, Lawrence is
Speaker 1: having to chase in the backside to go make this play.
Speaker 1: But it's eighteen yards down the field. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: better find a way to play at their hands, get
Speaker 1: off blocks, beat some blocks, and get in position to
Speaker 1: get some tackles in this game. And another item along
Speaker 1: those lines they line up. If Cowboys line up MALIEK.
Speaker 1: Collins on Eric Flowers, that's a that's a good just
Speaker 1: looking at him on this roster because we talked him
Speaker 1: all camp about the type of camp he had. This
Speaker 1: is an opportunity to matchup for him. We'll see what
Speaker 1: he can do with. Yeah, Flowers doesn't have to play
Speaker 1: in space anymore. That's why now playing it guard, he
Speaker 1: has a little bit more of a little bit better chance.
Speaker 1: But you're right, the quickness, the power if you if
Speaker 1: you want to walk him, you can walk him, but
Speaker 1: you get under him and go because he does not
Speaker 1: have power. I think he'll have. I think Flowers will
Speaker 1: have a lot of difficulty with that. He's on that
Speaker 1: left side over there with with Donald Penn. So if
Speaker 1: if it's coming from that left side or that actually
Speaker 1: the Cowboys right side, right, you'll know why for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. So and then last week, I mean a
Speaker 1: good matchup was Fletcher Cox versus Brandon Shurf. But you
Speaker 1: know that get off that Cox has. Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: he's he's, yeah, he's He's clearly one of the best
Speaker 1: they are playing in this game. So okay, let's take
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Speaker 1: I wonder where you were going with that always. I
Speaker 1: was just kind of going with dealing with Okay, Brian,
Speaker 1: you have any interest in Mica Fitzpatrick. A lot of
Speaker 1: questions about that, right, talk to people and they said,
Speaker 1: we will not talk about players that are under contracts
Speaker 1: with other teams. So that's the answer. I guy, what
Speaker 1: did he do? Well? He's the Dolphins have given him
Speaker 1: the opportunity to go seek a trade. Did they just
Speaker 1: want to get rid of everybody? That's kind of what
Speaker 1: everyone wants to leave. They all requested trade multiple guys that,
Speaker 1: according to report, the first game he started at corner
Speaker 1: last year for him, he's played safety for him the
Speaker 1: summer he's played, he played linebacker. In this last game,
Speaker 1: they were really overall, they were just really bad as
Speaker 1: a team on defense. The Ravens did a really nice
Speaker 1: job of attacking them with Lamar Jackson. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: reached out to some people this morning. They said, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: we just can't comment about people that are under contract.
Speaker 1: We haven't heard anything from them. So I mean people
Speaker 1: are saying, oh, it's reported he's seeking to trade well,
Speaker 1: until the team, until the team, the Dolphins initiate trade talks,
Speaker 1: you have to be real careful about that. So that's
Speaker 1: kind of what I know right now about that. Where
Speaker 1: does he fit in? Well, yeah, that's what I was.
Speaker 1: He could play nickel corner, he could play corner, he
Speaker 1: could play safety, he could play a lot of different spots.
Speaker 1: So he's gonna come in here and start. He could
Speaker 1: if you did something with if you moved on from Well,
Speaker 1: he would be insurance. He would be insurance for at
Speaker 1: least you could start him at safety if you wanted to,
Speaker 1: if you wanted to compete him against Jeff Heath, because
Speaker 1: him and Woods would be a pretty good match together.
Speaker 1: You could use him if something happens next year again
Speaker 1: with Brown and being gone and Jones being gone, So
Speaker 1: it kind of buy it. He's got like three years
Speaker 1: left and then a fifth year option. So yeah, he's
Speaker 1: kind of and he's very very inexpensive. He's like one
Speaker 1: point two million dollars for him, so and he's a
Speaker 1: really good football player, but he's just in a bad
Speaker 1: situation right now with the Dolphins. A lot of players
Speaker 1: are in bad situations there. What do we read into
Speaker 1: the tweet from Taco yesterday the waiting game with an hourglass. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he thinks he's gonna get moved on or released or something.
Speaker 1: If I said I said it on the show earlier
Speaker 1: in the week. If he's a healthy scratch this week,
Speaker 1: they need to move on from him. That's just how
Speaker 1: I feel. I mean, you don't no sense of just
Speaker 1: continuing on this way, you man, that's just you know,
Speaker 1: don't have a discriminal player in your locker room if
Speaker 1: you if you can help it, or you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to make a roster move next week. Robert quinn quah.
Speaker 1: Right now, you might get an exemption for him for
Speaker 1: a few days of practice, but if he's ready to go,
Speaker 1: then yeah, you need a roster exemption. And I mean, well,
Speaker 1: they got another three on the roster right now, by
Speaker 1: the way, and I was kind of under the impression
Speaker 1: they didn't, but they signed. They signed, they just didn't
Speaker 1: announce it. They signed Covin. They got fifty three on
Speaker 1: the roster. I was thinking, okay, you know, and Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett was talking to us about, no, we haven't done
Speaker 1: anything with Covington yet. But they signed Covington, he's on
Speaker 1: the roster. So if they want to get Cedric Wilson
Speaker 1: on the roster, they are going to have to make
Speaker 1: a move to today or tomorrow by three o'clock right
Speaker 1: to get that done, or you grit your teeth. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: the other thing on Taco is the team. The other
Speaker 1: teams know that Quinn's coming back after this week, and
Speaker 1: so if you're talking trade with another team, sure you
Speaker 1: know they're sitting there going, oh, let's let's wait and
Speaker 1: see what you do with them after you when you're
Speaker 1: have to make a decision there, you're going to get
Speaker 1: a twelfth pack. Yeah. Bob in Tennessee, you're up next
Speaker 1: on Talking Cowboys. Hello, Bob, Hey, guys, how are you doing? Great? Good? Hey,
Speaker 1: Mick big fan in a Cowboys fan since nineteen sixty nine,
Speaker 1: So I used to Dallas Cowboys Weekly and read all
Speaker 1: the articles. So I really enjoy your show. Thanks, But
Speaker 1: this question is for Brian Okayan laughing, Let's go ahead.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Oh that's okay. Yeah, So, in your evaluation
Speaker 1: as a former scout, and I'm thinking about Tristan Hill,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about Tacol Charlton. Sure, as a scout, when
Speaker 1: you're evaluating these players, obviously you're looking at the physical
Speaker 1: attributes and all that. Do the scouts talk to coaches
Speaker 1: about the attitudes and things of that? So what happens
Speaker 1: when we if we draft players maybe like a Taco
Speaker 1: Charlton or someone else whose attitude isn't maybe what the
Speaker 1: coach described it to be, do we as scouts or
Speaker 1: do you as scouts look at that and say, you
Speaker 1: know what, that coach has lost all credibility because I
Speaker 1: wonder sometimes, Oh no, you're absolutely That's why you talk
Speaker 1: to the equipment men, the trainers. Those are the people
Speaker 1: that deal with him every day. You know, you you
Speaker 1: you know, you go in there and listen, Rod Miranelli
Speaker 1: lived with Tristan Hill, basically lived with him. You know
Speaker 1: this this this spring, and they you know, they did
Speaker 1: their due diligence too on on Taco as well. Now,
Speaker 1: if if people are telling you that they're they're now
Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. I will give you a
Speaker 1: We had a goodwin the corner that we drafted from
Speaker 1: Tennessee back in the day that that was they got
Speaker 1: put in jail and I remember Everywoch, not Goodrich, Dwayne Goodrich.
Speaker 1: We drafted Dwayne Goodridge. Henry Schroka went to the University
Speaker 1: of Tennessee and got every bit of information you could
Speaker 1: get about him. He said, he wasn't tough, he didn't
Speaker 1: like the lift waits, you know, he didn't work hard,
Speaker 1: and we still draft the guy. You know. I mean,
Speaker 1: you get all this information and you still but because
Speaker 1: you're listening to a coach from that program tell you, oh, no,
Speaker 1: he's tough, he works hard, he does this. Henry Schroka
Speaker 1: had every bit of information about Dwayne Goodridge as far
Speaker 1: as a player goes. And you know, and so you
Speaker 1: get that information. How you choose to use it is
Speaker 1: on you. It's on the front off. As a scout,
Speaker 1: you can only say, Hey, this is what my guys
Speaker 1: are telling me. This is what my guys telling me
Speaker 1: about Quincy Carter. This is what my guys telling me
Speaker 1: about Taco Charlton. I mean, so, yeah, credibility. You know
Speaker 1: who to talk to and who not to talk to
Speaker 1: when it comes to these types of situations. Clude Hill
Speaker 1: in there. I don't think Hill's a problem, No, I
Speaker 1: think he's talking more maybe talking about that's not why
Speaker 1: he's inactive, right, no, right, no, right, And that's not
Speaker 1: why Taco's inactive either. By the way, I want to
Speaker 1: enlighten us why well he hadn't they don't think he's
Speaker 1: playing well. Okay, I think it's pretty obvious. You can
Speaker 1: have a bad attitude, but if you're a bad attitude
Speaker 1: and not playing well, then you're probably be getting on
Speaker 1: the field. From the Mickey Spagnola Eyeball tests thirty practices
Speaker 1: in four preseason games. As he played better, he played better,
Speaker 1: but I don't know that it was every down. I
Speaker 1: don't know how consistent he was. But again, the guys
Speaker 1: that took us place didn't exactly have stellar performances exactly right,
Speaker 1: And we're about to find out what kind of stellar
Speaker 1: performance they have this week noon Sunday, catch Brian at
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