WEBVTT - Draft Show: Closing the Books 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:08.640 Is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:12.399 for insider news and draft analysis from deep within the 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:16.640 confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star and Frasco and 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:19.520 now your host, Kyle Yeomans. 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:25.160 Today is April fifteenth, twenty twenty five, and we are 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:29.600 nine days away from the NFL Draft in Green Bay, Wisconsin. 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:32.400 Welcome into the Draft Show, presented by Miller Light, the 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:35.960 only beer of the Cowboys. It is Miller Time. We 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:39.400 are officially underneath the single digit mark. Glad you're with 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:42.319 us with Zach Walchuk, Brian brought us, Tommy Yarish, Nick 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:43.680 Harris with Chris Beam in the back. 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:46.360 I'm Kyle Yeomans. Nine days away, gentlemen. 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:49.800 It can't come fast enough, and it also can't hold 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:52.320 off fast enough. At the same time, we're ready to 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:54.440 get to our draft coverage with one oh five three 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:58.200 the Fan on Thursday, continue through every single one of 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:00.560 the two hundred and fifty seven picks throughout the week, 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:03.560 and then get into what is happening with this team 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:05.680 and every other team in the NFL after that. So 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:08.880 it's getting down to crunch time, which also means it's 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:11.600 the last few opportunities that we might have Nick Harris 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:14.400 to look at certain players, including one that we've been 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:17.199 waiting on for a little bit. Will Johnson working out 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:21.000 from Michigan, the cornerback working out. Was it today or yesterday? 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:21.839 It was on Monday? 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:25.280 Yeah, Monday? Yeah, so yesterday working out anymore? 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:25.560 Yeah? 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:29.160 Me neither working out and getting to see what exactly 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:30.199 he's bringing to the table. 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:30.959 Do you have an update? 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:35.440 Yeah, So he did work out yesterday for scouts and attendance. 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:37.679 He did not run his forty, which that was the 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:40.880 big thing we were all asking going into going into 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:42.319 the draft process. 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:44.640 A general is are we going to see Will Johnson run? 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:47.160 He has all these lower body injuries that he's battled 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:50.400 throughout his career. You know, you don't really know what 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:53.640 that verified athleticism looks like, but we got some of 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:56.440 those other points of athleticism. You can look at vertical 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:59.560 jump thirty seven inches that he jumped yesterday a four 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:02.760 to three ree short shuttle, which whenever you're comparing it 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:05.000 to other corners in the class, it's kind of average, 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:08.200 and according to Dane Brugler of The Athletic above or 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:11.880 average jeering positional drill drills. One scout told him he 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:15.000 Will Johnson looked very smooth, and that's you know, that's 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:16.919 that's what jumps off off tape, right, is that Will 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:21.960 Johnson is this smooth, transitional corner that can move his 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:22.840 hips really well. 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:24.240 At times and and. 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:26.040 Cover some of the best players in the Big Ten 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:27.919 and some of the top competition that Michigan has faced 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:29.600 over the last couple of years. I think back to 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:31.600 that National Championship perform and said he had a couple 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:34.000 of years ago against Washington, came out in the second 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:37.800 half with an interception to open against Michael Pennis and 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:39.640 played really well in that game. It was a force 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:42.160 in that game, but obviously had a lot of help 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:44.280 around it. Now this past year battled injury, and so 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:46.960 it's it's a tough eval don't don't get me wrong. 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:50.040 And I think you know, guys that have a positive 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:52.040 view on Will Johnson and guys that have a negative 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:53.000 view on Will Johnson. 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:54.600 I don't think there's a right or wrong here. 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:56.800 I think this is going to be something that unfortunately 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:58.400 we're just not gonna have a lot of data on, 0:02:58.480 --> 0:02:59.800 and it's gonna have to be something that you go 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:02.359 with on a you know, a really good evl I. 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:03.720 And this is where you know. 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:08.040 Having season scouts, having seasoned evaluators really come into play 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:10.320 because when you can look at a guy like Will Johnson, 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:12.639 what can you factor in? What can you factor out? 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.240 And how can you make that part of the evaluation process. 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:16.800 This is gonna be one of the more difficult ones. 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:18.800 I even know we have different opinions on this table 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:21.280 about Will Johnson, but he's gonna be a guy we 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:23.240 talked about on Night one. Regardless, he's gonna be a 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:25.200 guy that does get drafted in the first round. There's 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:26.959 just a matter of, you know, where does he get fit, 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:29.120 and how does he end up playing early on in 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:30.960 his career and can he stay away from injury. 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:34.960 We're a couple of weeks into the baseball season two, right, 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:38.240 There's a saying, whenever you have a pitcher leave the game, 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:42.600 you close the book on X pitcher. Right now that 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:45.000 you've seen his pro day, you can close the scouting 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:46.480 notebook on Will Johnson. 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:48.840 Right, you can close the most of the book. You've 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:49.280 got it all. 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:51.160 You've got the tape, you've got the numbers, you've got 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:53.000 the vertical, you've got the Shuttle and the lack of 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:55.560 a forty. So now the book is closed on Will Johnson. 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:58.640 Does your opinion changed now that it's closed? No, I 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:01.000 mean my opinions pretty much stay the same on him. 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:04.720 I'm nervous about the lower extremity injuries that seems to 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.720 be a constant with him over the last two years. Yeah, 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:10.680 is that something that's going to linger into his pro career? Honestly, 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:12.880 that's a topic of conversation with a lot of these corners. 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:14.920 Benjamin Morrison's a guy that I love the tape. You 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:17.200 could argue maybe has some of the best tape of 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:19.600 any corner in the entire draft. But the hips Can 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:22.560 I trust a guy that's got bum hibs translating the league? 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:24.880 Is that going to be a problem for years to come? 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:27.720 Revel when it comes to the ACL Now, that's one 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:29.760 we've seen corners come back from. But how long is 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:31.080 it going to take to him to get back to 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:33.039 the form he was at East Carolina? But when it 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:35.320 comes to Will Johnson, he is at his best in 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:38.160 my opinion, playing off coverage where he can read key 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:40.520 into the quarterback break on the football. I don't love 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:43.080 him necessarily all the time. And run support, and anytime 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:44.960 he's got to turn his back to the quarterback, I 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:47.599 am now terrified the double moves he can be susceptible to. 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:50.719 I just personally have some other corners that I like 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:52.960 a little bit more than Will Johnson. But I've had 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:56.080 conversations with people that would disagree and say Revel's a 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:57.600 little more stiff than Will Johnson. 0:04:57.680 --> 0:04:58.479 I don't. 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:01.359 I think Revel's better than Johnson when it comes to 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:03.520 moving down the field. I think the recovery speed, the 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:06.440 long speed. Those are questions with Will Johnson, and we 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:09.039 didn't get that necessarily answered when it came to the 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:09.599 forty times. 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:10.480 So good player. 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.840 I just personally like some other corners more in this 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:16.960 draft class, and he scares me a little bit, especially 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:18.360 if we had that conversation at twelve. 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:19.760 Yeah. Yeah. 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:22.919 To me, this is where you know, and the side 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:25.120 that we're on now, the media side of things here 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:27.120 that now I think that we have to be less 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:30.440 critical of these teams, draft and players, because to me, 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:32.080 this is like saying I'm going to give you a 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:35.080 thousand dollars for the stock the stock market, and I'm 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:36.880 going to ask you to make pick me a stock 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:39.440 that you know nothing about the company. You know some 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:41.640 things about the company, but you don't know everything about 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:44.320 the company here. This is what we're getting into right 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:46.760 now is an era where these players. I was just 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:50.359 going through Dame Brugler's Beast and just look at it numbers, 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:53.279 just seeing you know, where numbers were. I've never seen 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:58.440 a Beast that had fewer workouts completed when it came 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:02.880 to combine works and pro day workouts. You're asking these 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:04.839 scouts now, and I you know, we could all be 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:07.320 super critical about these scouts and how they draft and 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:10.040 all that, and Nick said it the best You're going 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:13.039 to have to have the ability to evaluate just really 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:15.200 the tape and hope you get the medical right and 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:18.520 hope you get the player right because they're not giving 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:21.000 you the whole picture. They're asking you to pick a 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:24.960 stock here, but you don't know the company completely and 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:27.880 could it could be millions of dollars, it could be 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:31.160 it could be lost games. You know, they're now asking 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:34.120 you to do things as a scout that's really kind 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:37.280 of for years has been a staple of what scouting is. 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:39.800 You go to get the numbers. You go to ann Arbor, 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:43.120 Michigan with the anticipation of completing the picture for this 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:46.479 guy so you can make the best evaluation of him 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:49.560 and pick him where he needs to be selected. Me personally, 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:51.560 I haven't moved him. I have not moved him on 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:53.880 and I've always had him as the second round guy. 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:56.040 I think he's the second round guy if you stack 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:57.920 him right now on my board, he's the twenty fifth 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:00.640 best player on my board. But I bet if there 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:02.400 was a time where there was talk that he was 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:04.799 the third or fourth or fifth best player on boards, 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:07.440 you know, I don't think we could say that anymore 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:10.360 about this player. This now has become an error where 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:15.440 it's become tougher on scouts to make good selections because 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:17.480 of lack of information that they don't get. 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:19.920 Yeah, you guys hit the nail on the head. Really, 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:21.920 I've got him as a second round player too. 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:23.120 I never moved him. 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:25.840 I think that long speed, even before the pro day 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:29.400 was really kind of the concern with Will Johnson and okay, 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:31.600 can he match up against guys who are or are 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:32.920 just straight go runners? 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:34.880 Can he match up against guys who hit the. 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:37.280 Double move really well? At the professional level. Those are 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:39.240 going to be worries that you've got to live with. 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:41.880 So that brings into I think the element of, Okay, 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.360 what scheme does he fit in best? Right, we think 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:46.600 about what Matt Aberfluss does. It's pretty zone heavy. I 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:49.240 think that's a solid fit for Will Johnson and what 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:50.480 he'll be able to do. They ran a lot of 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:53.000 it at Michigan. It's an NFL style defense that they 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:56.800 ran at Michigan. So you know, in a scheme like that, 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:58.440 I could see Will Johnson having success. 0:07:58.480 --> 0:07:59.560 But then you think about, like you. 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.960 Mentioned Walchuk, the lower body extremities, Brian hit the nail 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:05.320 and head from a scouting perspective, so all things that 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.560 you've got to consider. But I haven't moved him. I 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:10.000 think he's a really good player. If we're talking tape alone. 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:12.240 I mean, you look back even at the freshman tape 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:14.680 from twenty twenty two. Obviously he's very fresh back then, 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:16.280 but he's one of the best corners in the country, 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:18.920 and I don't think he fell off too much in 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:21.040 terms of being one of the best in college football 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:22.760 from there on out. I think it was just the 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:24.920 injuries that kind of lingered on him. You think about 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:27.480 the Washington receiver corps that they played at the National 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:30.360 Championship Game that you talked about three NFL draft picks 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.680 and you know, a first round quarterback. He was able 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:34.960 to shut it down with that great Michigan defense. They 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.000 had a great secondary. Two guys like Mikey sand are 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:40.520 still out there, but he's a good player. It's just 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:42.880 going to be one of those things where, like like 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:45.920 Brian said, you got a lot of questions and somebody's 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:47.280 gonna have to take a chance and it's going to 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:49.280 be one of those that could make or break you. 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:51.360 How many corners do you guys have above Johnson? 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:56.120 I think four four. I've got Hunter, Baron and Morrison 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:59.480 in front. Yeah, I've got Hunter, Baron, Revel and Morrison. 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:02.000 Gotcha, I've got actually I take the back. I got 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:05.040 three because I have Hunters of wide receiver. Yeah, I 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:07.560 got three. I've got two, gotcha? 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:08.720 I had yeah a little high. 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:11.920 I think it's just going to be a fascinating situation 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:13.520 on draft Day. You're gonna see a team fall in 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:15.840 love with Will Johnson and take him high. I mean, 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:17.640 you look at a team like Miami, right they just 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:20.120 put Jalen Ramsey on the trade market. They could be 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:22.000 potentially looking for a corner in that first round. You 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:24.000 look at the Raiders, maybe they're looking for a trade 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:26.600 back opportunity so that they can draft draft a corner 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:29.280 in the first round. Their cornerback room looks awful, and 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:31.760 so you know, is it gonna be Barren, Is it 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:34.040 gonna be Johnson? Will Harriston sneak up in there, Will 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.360 Trey Ono sneak up in there? Revel is someone going 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:37.920 to swing on him in the first round. I think 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:42.040 there's a if you're a zone defense and play majority zone, 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:43.840 you're a top five in the league as far as 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:46.120 zone usage, then yeah, I think it's I think it's 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:48.160 worth taking the shot on Will Johnson, But I'm not 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:51.240 getting there personally until I'm at pick twenty twenty five, 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:53.720 right around where Brian has him on his board. 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:55.480 I feel the same way, yeah, and feel much. 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:59.840 Better trade back. He is an outstanding player and there's 0:09:59.880 --> 0:10:00.439 no question. 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:03.320 I mean, and I'm not I could say the arguments 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:06.640 that I have for him being taken at twelve is 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:08.920 I just have better players in my mind. 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:10.440 Yeah, it's it's my evaluation. 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.240 And these gentlemen around the table have done their evaluations 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:16.040 as well. You know, they they maybe they have guys 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:20.160 above him. Everybody's board is a little bit different when 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:22.760 it comes to this stuff, you know, and yeah, there's 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:25.480 going to be the ultimately what matters that what's done 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:27.920 across the hall. If you're a Dallas Cowboys fan, you 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:29.760 know what these guys see in the player. Are they 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:32.240 comfortable go ahead and not having to forty? Are they 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:35.920 are they comfortable not having the complete picture with some 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:38.480 of the other corners that they have where they do have. Okay, 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:42.800 you're just asking for okay, confirm for me whether your 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:45.240 speed is good enough or not. You know, That's that's 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:48.680 all I'm asking. And you know, there's there's there's guys, and. 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:50.520 We're going to see it now more and more. 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:53.000 And an old guy like me who's been in the 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:56.559 scouting world for a long time, this is troubling. It's harder. 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:58.160 It's about time for me to go to the lake 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:01.240 House and not worry about this anymore. Because I lived 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:03.480 in an era where numbers were important to me. It 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:06.520 was before metrics and before you know, all these things 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:09.440 that people do. The numbers from the combine, the numbers 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:12.480 of the pro days. Never have I seen guys say, hey, 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:14.079 I'm not going to work out it in any fine, 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:16.199 I'll catch you in ann Arbor, Michigan for a workout 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:20.840 and then you do two things and drills. I just 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:22.800 wasted my time going in ann Arbor, Michigan. But I 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:25.120 did figure out those Your short shuttle times not very good, 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:26.800 you know, and you're a tall guy. 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:29.160 There might be some questions. 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:31.560 You're like in the thirteen percentile when it comes to 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:34.840 corners with that shuttle time. Yeh, do you not have quickness? 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:35.280 You know? 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:37.560 Is this something? Did I see this on tape? So 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:40.800 I think there's some teams. To me, Nick's right, there 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:42.480 are going to be some teams that go ahead and 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:44.520 just roll the dice and say, you know what, we 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:47.120 feel good enough about the player and going forward here. 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:48.840 You know, I'm not going to ding him for not 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:50.840 running because, like I said, I'm keeping him in the 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:52.200 in the exact same spot. 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:54.320 I just would have liked a more complete picture. 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:56.520 I'm with you, though, Tommy, I do think he's more 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:59.640 scheme specific. We saw Joey Porter Junior, who I think 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:01.280 we were all looking a couple of years ago, like 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:02.920 why in the world is this guy falling? I had 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:04.960 him as the best corner for me. He ends up 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:07.240 going in the second round. We find out afterwards teams 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:09.880 thought he was scheme specific, so the Steelers end up 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:12.720 getting an absolute steal. I think, now you've got to 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:14.920 look at the new defense here, and you're right, like 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:17.400 maybe Flus looks at him and says, hey, that's more 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:19.880 of a fit for what I want to do, Whereas 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:21.960 I do think previously, if Al Harris was still in 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:24.800 the building, I look at Revel from East Carolina and 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:26.360 think that's a corner that I think Al. 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:28.360 Harris would have absolutely loved. Sure with the. 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:30.920 Size, the physicality that he would play with, but off 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:33.480 coverage more of his own long limbed guy and Will 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:36.440 Johnson maybe he fits the profile of what the Cowboys 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:38.000 would like to do a little bit more. And they 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:40.520 do an excellent job with their scouting department talking with 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:42.800 the coaching staff figuring out, Okay, what do you want? 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:45.160 What can I get for you to be able to succeed? 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:47.400 So maybe there is a marriage there that they like 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:48.040 more than we do. 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:50.080 And it goes back to what Brian has talked about 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:53.760 on the show a couple episodes back, is how succinct 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:56.439 is that at the moment because it's a new coaching staff, 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:58.600 it's a new group, and you're trying to mesh that 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:01.280 all together over the co of a couple of months 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:02.800 to try and figure it out and try and get 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:04.880 to that point. I don't know if it's a perfect 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:07.120 marriage right off the top, but everybody's board as different 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:09.439 as we're talking about. Yeah, and I think you're gonna 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:11.480 have to try and find some level of consistency on 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:13.520 a guy like Johnson, and it's tougher to do that 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:14.360 without the numbers. 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:15.560 And that's what we're kind of elluding. 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:17.720 Well, there's guys in this draft that have not run. 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:19.920 I mean, there's so many of them, and you know, 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:22.880 and and so you know, we're just we're focusing on 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:27.800 Johnson right now because if you're a Cowboy fan, you. 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:29.160 Your corner is one of your needs. 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:31.560 You're you're looking at your you're looking at your depth 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:33.440 chart and and if you watch our shows on this 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:36.760 on this platform, we talk about the different positions and 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:38.239 stuff in corners, definitely. 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:38.439 One of them. 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:41.240 You know, you could see potentially a corner going at 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:44.640 forty four here. You know there there are there are 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:47.800 opportunities for the corner to be to be selected here, 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:50.319 like I say this, this guy is a very, very 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:52.880 good football player. I just wish we would have had 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:56.560 the complete package on him to know exactly as comparing 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:58.720 him to maybe some guys that we've talked about have 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:02.560 played before that have had some success or failed in 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:03.280 the process. 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:06.160 Now, kind of keeping to the same topic of conversation, 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:11.240 but switching positions when you mentioned everybody's board is different, 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:14.360 Bobby Belt, let us know in our group message that 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:18.120 Milroe Jaln Milroe, quarterback from Alabama and Jackson Dart quarterback 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:20.440 from Ole Miss will both be attending the draft. We 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.880 kind of talked about that a little bit last week, 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:26.160 but with both of those in attendance, and I guess 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.120 now the rumor is starting to get out there too 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:31.440 that hey, be careful. Who was it that had that 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:33.320 quote be careful when it comes to sand This is 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:38.800 not a good quarters. 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:37.240 So it was Snyder. 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:40.280 John Snyder comes out and says, be careful when you're 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:42.520 talking about these quarterbacks and it's not a good draft 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:45.440 for quarterbacks. Is this something we need to keep in 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:47.640 mind whenever we get to the top of the NFL 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:50.560 Draft on Thursday and get to the point where, hey, 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:53.840 we've thought Milroe and Dark may be slipping and they 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:57.480 may not be there for the second third round, or 0:14:57.520 --> 0:14:59.360 is this something that they may slip into that first 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:01.800 round and QUARTERB still going to be viewed very highly. 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:05.080 I know that you know that draft invite doesn't always 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:07.360 necessarily mean that they're going to be a first round pick, 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:11.320 But Jalen Milroe, Man, I've got him as. 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:12.000 QB four for me. 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:14.840 Wow, I think this is an incredibly high upside player. 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:18.840 I know everybody is very much across the board on him. 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:22.400 I think this is a guy who is what a 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:24.720 lot of people thought Anthony Richardson was coming out of 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:26.760 college in terms of what he could do with his legs. 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:29.680 But Milroe is just completely different and he's a game 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.440 changer in what he can do with a rushing ability. 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:35.760 You're not going to see a guy six twenty pounds 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:37.800 that's going to be able to move like he does, 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:39.800 and that's going to change an offense, especially in a 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:42.400 modern day NFL, where you need to have a quarterback 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:44.720 that can do both for the most part to be 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:46.880 able to, you know, lead an offense down the field. 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:49.360 You don't necessarily need a guy who runs as well 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:51.920 as he does. But you need mobility, and Milroe gives 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:53.720 you that. He's got a heck of an arm. His 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:56.360 deep ball is his best attribute. Really, the part that 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:59.040 he needs to polish up is the shorts intermediate game. 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:01.840 How often do we say that about quarterbacks coming into 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:04.080 the draft. So you know, you look at him and 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:06.440 it's all things that you can fix with Jaylen Milroe, 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:07.920 it's all things where if he gets into the right 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:11.280 system and he develops well, like a Pittsburgh for example, 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:13.480 you look at them at twenty one. Is that a 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:15.520 team that Mike Tomlin could say, Okay, this is a 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:17.960 guy that we want to build on and trust to 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:21.360 bring our offense forward. I think Milroe would be a 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:23.880 great fit in a place like that. I really like 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:24.720 his game a lot. 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:28.120 And Tomlin had dinner with Milroe in Tuscaloosa straight before 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:30.960 their pro day. The GM was there as well. Steelers 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:32.040 have done a lot of homework on. 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:33.880 Will Howard, another guy that they met with. 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:36.600 Yeah, they've they've done homework on these quarterbacks. They're in 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:38.480 a situation where they're probably going to take a quarterback 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:41.080 and a running back early in this draft. They're probably 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:44.280 looking at rehauling their backfield, but Yeah, talking about Milroe, 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:48.120