1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: You are here and that makes this the stuff they 9 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Fellow conspiracy realist, it is 10 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: one of our favorite times of the week. It is 11 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: our listener male segment where we share the best part 12 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: of this show, your fellow listeners stories with the best 13 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: part of this show you specifically you, so stay tuned. 14 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: You might be in today's episode, and if you're not, 15 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,559 Speaker 1: will give you plenty of ways to contact us so 16 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: that you can join in. Uh them maybe not fun, 17 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: but the strangeness right, Uh, this is funny because our 18 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: first one today is a blast from the past and 19 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: a couple of levels. If you have ever checked out 20 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: our old YouTube videos, then you may have heard of 21 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: this story. And in surprising you know, our video on 22 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: this was the first way a lot of people learned 23 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: about it. But nol, I think you have found a 24 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 1: voicemail that the more people should hear. What do you say, 25 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: Oh I did, let's hear let's hear it from Wyatt. Hey, guys, 26 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: this is why it Parsons from Columbia, Missouri. I previously 27 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: called and encourage you all to do an episode on 28 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: the group based program, which is great. They said, listening 29 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: to your episode on the Maple Syrip cartel, which is 30 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: also great. But I was wanted to say, uh, it 31 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: probably could have used the context of mentioning the Phobos Cartel, 32 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: which is a fairly well known cartels that was operating 33 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: among early light bulb manufacturers in order to keep the 34 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: price of the light bulbs among the sels uh as 35 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: close to a similar as they could, remaining quote unquote competitive. Um. 36 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: So I wanted to say, well, the show appreciate you guys, 37 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: I want I say and take care. Oh Wyatt, you 38 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: are absolutely right and honestly you know, the story of 39 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: any kind of collusion in formation these cartel is always interesting. 40 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: But to me, the better place to have mentioned the 41 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: Phoebus Cartel would have been in our recent discussions of 42 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: things like planned obsolescence UM or the idea of the 43 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: right to repair. You know, that's sort of my conversation 44 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: really does kind of go part and parcel with what 45 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,959 Speaker 1: he's talking about, which is, Yeah, a group of light 46 00:02:54,960 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: bulb manufacturers UM in the nineteen twenties GAP Third in Geneva, 47 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: representatives from UH Germany's as Rum Corporation, Phillips which is 48 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 1: still around today, UH from the Netherlands, and UH Campagni 49 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: de lamp from from France. UM also General Electric was 50 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: in on it. They essentially got together and decided that UM, 51 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:24,239 Speaker 1: it would be in their best interest not to necessarily 52 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: league up with well there's a lot of ramifications of 53 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: this meeting, but not necessarily to like league up or 54 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: share supplies or things like that, but essentially too in 55 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: tandem make their products worse. So yeah, to make their 56 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: products worse. UM. Up to that point, engineers working for 57 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: these companies their job would have been to how do 58 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: I improve the life of a light bulb of fulfilment 59 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: with like different material sciences and all of the research 60 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: that goes into that stuff. What they realized is if 61 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: you have a bulb that burns forever, UM, they can't 62 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: sell you more balls and and therein kind of became 63 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: the dawn of the idea of planned obsolescence, which now 64 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: we know as applied to all kinds of other things 65 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: like the iPhone and any product. There's different flavors of it, though, 66 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: there's like psychological planned obsolescence, where like say, you know, 67 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: a company will sort of psychologically UM trick you, maybe 68 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: trick is maybe I don't know, it depends UM where 69 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: you stand, whether it's trickery or not, but convince you 70 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: that you need the next best thing, and that if 71 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: you don't have that or you're a bad person, you're 72 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: a failure, you're you should be ashamed. There's a really 73 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: really great piece that talks about the Phoebus Cartel and 74 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: also the genius of UM, Alfred P. Sloan Um, who 75 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: you may know from NPR or the pre Sloan Foundation. UM. 76 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: He was, in fact a guy who was a genius 77 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 1: business person UM very much like Al Edward Burnet's type, 78 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: guy who who recognized psychology to trick people into thinking 79 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: that they a needed UM give them so many options 80 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: that they think if they didn't have all the options 81 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: or at least the next best model UM, than they 82 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: were somehow lacking the idea of keeping up with the Joneses. 83 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: You know, this is something that was kind of sold 84 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: to us as consumers. This is actually right around the time, um, 85 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: we were starting to be referred to as consumers. But 86 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: but back to Phoebus, Ben, you mentioned this as a 87 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: blast of the past. You and Matt before my time, 88 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: did an excellent video about the Phoebus cartel. Um. What 89 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: was y'all's takeaway when you first discovered this very very 90 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: real bit of collusion and um kind of price fixing 91 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: and the idea of you know, taking it something that 92 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: you should be improving and consciously making it worse so 93 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: that you can sell more of the thing. Oh man, hey, 94 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: thanks so much. Well, it's it makes meat. You didn't 95 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: know that that you checked it out, mainly because then 96 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: I were talking about this earlier that that's one of 97 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: the classic videos we did that really does hold up 98 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: and more people should know about it. Um, this was gosh, Matt, 99 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: when was it that we did this one shoot that 100 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: video was released? Wow the time? Hey, hey, al right, 101 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: So it's it's strange because this idea was phrased as 102 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: standardization even in a lot of internal documents they weren't 103 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: calling it a grift. They were saying, let's make sure 104 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: we're all selling the same expectations right for a product. 105 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: But the problem was the standardization they created kind of 106 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 1: crippled the lifespan of lightbulbs, making them all last a 107 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: thousand hours and for four the Cartels ascendency, the average 108 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: light bulb would last like more than two thousand hours, 109 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: like two thousand, five hundred hours. And and Apple was still, 110 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: you know, very much active when we were making this video. 111 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: And it's kind of like, um, I don't know about you, Matt, 112 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: but I experienced, what is it kind of a better 113 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: mine Hoff thing with the idea of planned obsolescens because 114 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: I started seeing it everywhere. Even now, you can have 115 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: a pretty strong debate about how much of a manufacturers 116 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: recommended things are meant to sell more stuff versus get 117 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: the best operation out of something, right, Like I'm thinking 118 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: of things like, um, how often one should or should 119 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: not use certain beauty products for example, I'm thinking of 120 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: how like directives on how to use something can also 121 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: be a part of this planned obsolescence you're talking about, 122 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: and it's just it's just extended. Phoebus got away with 123 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: it too. By the way, the only reason that they 124 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: really ended. They were planning to break up in nineteen 125 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: fifty five, but then World War two came along and 126 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: they had bigger fish to fry, bigger bolts of light. 127 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: It's interesting too, because, I mean, the history of this 128 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: is so fascinating because you know, think about it, the 129 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: light bulb was like one of the great innovations of mankind, 130 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: you know, I mean it was like it went from 131 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: gas lamps to these electric light bulbs on par with 132 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: like the the the automobile. And understandably there was a 133 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: lot of competition UM when electrification was kind of introduced 134 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: uh into the world, into all kinds of other vehicles, 135 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: for example, like bikes and you know cars, headlights and 136 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: street lights and all of the other possibilities that you 137 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: needed for light bulbs. So it was these um this 138 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: kind of cartel. The formation of this cartel was as 139 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: a result of sales dropping the as Rum Corporation UM. 140 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: Their German sales dropped from sixty three million light bulbs 141 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: in n to twenty three fiscal year to twenty eight 142 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: million the following So they were actually the ones that 143 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: was their head, William mine Heart, that decided to, you know, 144 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: put this group together, um and kind of cut out 145 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: all of the smaller players and just you know, make 146 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: uh an understanding that they would like you said, Ben, 147 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: limit Literally it took them a while too, interestingly to 148 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: figure out how to work backwards. Uh, to get it 149 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: at a standardized amount of of hours of light a 150 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: thousand hours what they were shooting for. Took them quite 151 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: quite a few years to get that perfect. But then 152 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 1: they did. There's a really great piece on NPRS Planet 153 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: Money that talks about this story and then talks about 154 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: again like I was talking about the Alfred P. Sloan 155 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: story where Sloan essentially decided to give more options to 156 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: people with cars. He was competing with Ford, who had 157 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 1: invented this model t which is a very workman like 158 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: kind of you know, almost like a piece of farm equipment. 159 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: It wasn't sexy. Uh. Ford famously said, Ben, I'm sure 160 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: you recall this from Carstone episodes. Uh. You can have 161 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: in any color as long as black. Um. But then 162 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: Chevrolet totally changed the game by realizing that women were 163 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: largely making financial decisions for the household, including cars, um, 164 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: and that if you had more options for you know, 165 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: variety and the style that would be something that they 166 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: would maybe glaum onto a little more than men who 167 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: maybe we're a little more utilitarian, you know at the 168 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: time not to you know overly uh generalized, but I 169 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: think that was the idea and it definitely worked. And 170 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: then Ford was forced to release the Model A and 171 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: uh constantly kind of was keeping up with this, you know, marketing. 172 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: It really it is marketing because they're selling the same 173 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: invention just wrapped up in a different package. But um, nowadays, 174 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: you know, when we have these more costly and more 175 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: efficient and longer lasting um l E ed bulbs, it's 176 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: something to think about, you know, how we got to 177 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: where we are now. Um, And I've got to wonder 178 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: like is that same thinking going into LED lights or 179 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: are they really working to make them as efficient and 180 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: long lasting as possible? Because it was ultimately General Electric 181 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: that kind of spilled the beans on the cartel because 182 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,719 Speaker 1: they got brought up and I believe some anti competition 183 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: charges and in the court case, uh, some information got 184 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 1: leaked or was was in the you know, the documentation 185 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: and the testimony about the Phoebus cartel. Uh, and that's 186 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: when it kind of got essentially disbanded. Just on the 187 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: LED bulb front. I've only got my own experience, but 188 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: I saw the LED lights in my entire house three 189 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: years ago and one of them has gone out, one 190 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: bulb out of know, how many dozens? How long is 191 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 1: a thousand hours? Is that? Like? You know? And this 192 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 1: is obviously if you're turning your lights off at night, 193 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: a thousand hours should last you what maybe a year? 194 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: I don't know, Like right now, there are lights on 195 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: in this room in my house, zero other lights, so 196 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: it's hard to judge, right, So maybe I'm just a 197 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: bad test case. Well, there's also there's something interesting about 198 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: LED light bulbs. Uh, some folks may recall the LED 199 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: light bulbs are thoughts to last like fifty thous hours. 200 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: They can last if you keep them on twelve hours 201 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: a day. That works out to more than a decade. 202 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: It's like eleven years. So the issue is that it's 203 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: hard to sell these long lasting bulbs. So some manufacturers 204 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: have been designing LED light bulbs that will burn out 205 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: sooner they're they're meant to, or they need upgrades or 206 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: replacements of some component to continue working. And this is 207 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: not necessarily illegal. There are other like you said, Well, 208 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: there are other genres of planned obsolescence, and some of 209 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: them are things that humans just routinely accept in their lives, 210 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: like the disposable culture. Right buy, you buy razor blades 211 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: in bulk, and you're supposed to get rid of them, 212 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: or or with printers. Printers are often purposely designed such 213 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: that when when one part of it breaks, replacing just 214 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: that part is so prohibitively expensive that it's cheaper just 215 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: to buy another printer. And in many cases they're just 216 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: making money off the ink anyway, so they don't want 217 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: much you pay for the printer. I think it's true, 218 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: and I think we're gonna see more of it, especially 219 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: as society, at least in the developed world, trends further 220 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: and further away from an ownership culture and further and 221 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: further into the wild land of a subscription or um 222 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: service rental culture. Now there's no doubt we're we're we're 223 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: more than we've got. We've got more than our toes 224 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 1: dipped in that model. By the way, a year calendar 225 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: year is roughly eight thousand, seven d and sixty hours, 226 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: so uh yeah, a thousand hours. You can change your 227 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: light bulbs around eight times a year. Uh, if you 228 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: leave them on all the time. I mean, obviously this 229 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: is people are not leaving their light bulbs on constantly. 230 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: But that's significant. Um, so very interesting stuff. Thank you 231 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: whyat for hipping us to this blast from the past. 232 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: Uh and also happening having us revisiting, cause I think 233 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: it's more valid now than ever. And uh. And so 234 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: also take it with a healthy grain of salt when 235 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: you read things that put a burden of the light 236 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: bulb working on the consumer. When they say, hey, this 237 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: is uh an energy saving tip for your home or 238 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: something like that, I'm not saying they're lying to you. 239 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, keep your eyes open. Well, let's take 240 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 1: a quick pause for a word from our sponsor, and 241 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: then we'll come back with more messages from you. All right, 242 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: and we're back, and we are jumping to the phone 243 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: lines to hear from Schneider. So here we go. Hi, 244 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: my name is Schneider. I stay the programs. I'm going 245 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: to tell you a spooky story about the time I'm 246 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: at a ghost of concentration care. So I live in 247 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: Germany for about a decade, right, and every year they 248 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: would take us to a concentration camp to show off, like, hey, 249 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: this is our history, let's not repeat it, let's learn 250 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: from the etcetera. Well, I was about sixteen at the 251 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: time with a bunch of my friends, and we were 252 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: in the crematorium, just walking through, looking at everything. The 253 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: crematorium is a large sum instructure. There's no way in 254 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: or out. There's no event other than the like pipes 255 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: that pumped that smoke. In the crematorium. They have this 256 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: giant like book where they they wrote down did names 257 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: of everyone who was cremated in that building. So all 258 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: my friends just living through and they're poking fun at like, oh, look, 259 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: there's so many people who had your name. Look at 260 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: all the shiners. Well, Schneider is like the name Smith. 261 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: It's super common. Anyway, they don't know this, but I 262 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: am the direct descendant of people who narrowly escaped the 263 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. While my grandparents managed to escape, a 264 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: lot of their other family did not. Now I don't 265 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: know what camp they went to, or even if they 266 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: went at all. I don't know when they were killed. 267 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: We weren't really informed on the subject. As Shulder, It's 268 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: not something we talked about. It's also the middle of 269 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: German summer. German summer is a lot like Jordan summer. 270 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: I lived in Columbus for about three years, so I 271 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: know it's how hot it. Kids out there, guys, it's 272 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: hot in this building. They start poping fun they say, look, Schneider, 273 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: look it's you. It plummets to freezing temperatures in that 274 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: building on the drop of a hat, and we do 275 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: this like how kind of sound coming from the ovens 276 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: and needle us to stay. It's scared the respect into us. Really, 277 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: it could have been something perfectly normal, but I'm conscient 278 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: it was a ghost, uh, teaching us that, hey, stop 279 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: joking around about this stuff. It's really serious. Guys. Anyway, 280 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: that's my story. Thanks guys, love the show. Bye, Wow Schneider. 281 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: I think I can speak for all of us first 282 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: off when I say, you're your friends need to learn 283 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: to be better behaved, just singing, like to put it 284 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: put it lightly. But what a what a fascinating story. Huh. Yeah. 285 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: The concept that some you know, sixteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen 286 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: year old kids in a place like that joking around 287 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: could cause something to occur like that, even if it's 288 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 1: completely coincidence. Right, even if they're joking around and then 289 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: something just occurs, that's a normal process within that place 290 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: that is now in many ways a um you know, 291 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: a place of remembrance and a museum of sorts with 292 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: that book that Schnyder mentioned, And if that's the furthest 293 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: most skeptical thing, it's just completely unrelated, just a normal thing. 294 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 1: Even then, it's a story. I think that's worth retelling. 295 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: And I do appreciate this Snyder retold it to us. Um. 296 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: If not, if it's something else, my goodness, it gives 297 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: you a chill a little bit, the feeling that concept 298 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: of the temperature changing so rapidly after that, I I do. 299 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: I will say, I know not everybody believes this, and 300 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: I know a great deal of the experience maybe psychological 301 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: in nature rather than physiological. But I think everybody has 302 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: been in a place that has been the location of 303 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: a great deal of atrocity or a great deal of 304 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: of horror from humans to each other, and has felt 305 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: the place was somehow different in one way or another. 306 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 1: You know, taal As old as time people have walked, 307 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: people have stumbled across cemeteries because something in the field 308 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: didn't feel right. It reminds me of this excellent book 309 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 1: called The Gift of Fear, which I highly recommend, which 310 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: essentially the argument is that you're unconscious mind picks up 311 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: a lot of things that your conscious mind might miss, 312 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 1: and when you get a bad vibe or you get 313 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: a strange feeling, that could be your some other part 314 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 1: of your mind saying hey, you in the forebrain pay 315 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: attention to this um. And with that, I think, Uh, 316 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 1: what a story, Schneider. And I'm still I'm still sorting 317 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: through this, but I think there are a lot of 318 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: factors that play here. As you said, Matt, Yeah, And 319 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: just to take it to graveyards for a moment. I 320 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: was having a conversation with a friend the other day 321 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: and we're discussing the concept that graveyards have this weird feeling. 322 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: Many times we get that weird feeling if we're in 323 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: a graveyard. But depending on what you believe is going 324 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: on with a human when it expires, when any human expires, um, 325 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: a graveyard may not be the place that should feel weird. 326 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: Right If there is, if there's a body slash, soul 327 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 1: slash or whatever that the consciousness is connection, then no, 328 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: nothing's in that graveyard really right, except for the corporeal 329 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: forms of people. And if there's something else that exists, 330 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 1: then it probably left that body at the moment that 331 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: that person expired. And I'm imagining this place where Schneider 332 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 1: is in this concentration camp, within this crematorium, at that site, 333 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: this would be a place where a great many people expired. 334 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 1: So I can imagine some kind of if there is 335 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,959 Speaker 1: something too that you know, to the soul or spirit 336 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 1: or that energetic yeah as I always associated with is 337 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: like some sort of like energy signature you now that 338 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: kind of remains like I don't know if I would 339 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: call something like that a ghost, but I feel like 340 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: we always talk about things like vibes. You know, in 341 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: the movie Vibes you can get started. Um, But yeah, no, 342 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: it's an excellent movie. Everyone should see it. It's totally 343 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: worth your time. And I'm not joking. I quite enjoyed 344 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: it very much. But now it's a thing. You can 345 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: sense people's vibes, whether when they're alive, and I don't 346 00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: think there's any reason why you should be able to 347 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: sense remnants of those when they're when they're not, especially 348 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 1: in a place like say like the catacombs you know 349 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: of Rome or something like that, where you know you 350 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: just have thousands and thousands of of rema remains you 351 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: know that are there. Uh, They're called remains for reasons, 352 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: that something that's left behind. And I think it's not 353 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: just physical. Sometimes I truly believe that and and have 354 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: felt it. And I think even for the most skeptical 355 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,959 Speaker 1: h that is, however you would like to interpret or 356 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: however you would like to explain it to yourself or 357 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: two others, that is a feeling that is going to 358 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: be very familiar to many of the people listening today. 359 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: And I, UM don't talk a ton about my personal 360 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: beliefs in this show. In particular, I don't think they 361 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 1: particularly matter, um and we try to be objective as possible, 362 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: so I don't want to distract from that, but I 363 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: am I am going to say it is my personal 364 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: belief that history is a pal obsessed and that traces 365 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: of things that occur can linger in ways that human 366 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: beings don't fully understand. I can't conclusively prove it because 367 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: there's not there's not a way to yet, so it's 368 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: just one end to these opinion. But I don't think 369 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: that it's I don't think it's very much of a 370 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: of a hot take, and I'm honestly we have to 371 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: make this point. It is incredibly important. Even though those 372 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: kids were being jerks, it is incredibly important for children 373 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: to be aware of those sites and to be aware 374 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: of what happened there, because as soon as people forget 375 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: something like that, that's when another group of people comes 376 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: around and engages in the in the next iteration of it, 377 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: all across the world, all across time. So if if 378 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 1: this put a little bit of what they would call 379 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: it in the South, a little bit of the fear 380 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: of God into those kids, then, overall, and I don't 381 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: want to sound like a monster here, overall, I think 382 00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:00,719 Speaker 1: that's a very good thing. Thank you so much Sneider 383 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: for sending us that story. Okay, so we're gonna jump 384 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 1: over to one more quick voicemail and it is coming 385 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 1: from road Dog. Hey, Fred, this is road Dog from Arizona. 386 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: Listen to your podcast the other day about the Mulu 387 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 1: and training cows how to tea. I think you missed 388 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: a great opportunity for some comedy. Uh. Several years ago, 389 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 1: the government and a few multi national corporations got together 390 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: figure out a way how to sell cow piss to 391 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: the Americans, particularly the American Truckee Association. It's called g 392 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: EF and it's an additive that we used to uh 393 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: knock out the sulfur that comes out of your missions 394 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: of Dr Taylor's. And so there you go, you figure 395 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: out how to sell a cow piss and uh, I 396 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: don't know who's better for it or where the laptoes, gentlemen. 397 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: Well know this story around that arcticle or that that 398 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: news story. There was a question what are they gonna 399 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: do with all of these gallons upon gallons of cawier 400 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: And maybe they had a plan the whole time and 401 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: they were just being like coy about it. The cartels, 402 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: there's the comedy. There's the comedy that road Dog was 403 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 1: was was missing up. Well, Hey, road Dog, thank you 404 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: for for telling us about that. I know you're out 405 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: there driving right now, probably doing some work. Do all 406 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: those those jars of those jugs a trucker piss? That's 407 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: what I want to know. Hey, Well, it's it's dude, 408 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: it's all. This is all one thing here, okay. So, 409 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: d first of all, this is diesel exhaust fluid. This 410 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: is primarily made up of water and uria. The stuff 411 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: that's in urine. Not a ton of it in urine, 412 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: but it is a big part of urine. And Um, 413 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,239 Speaker 1: I just went down a bit of a rabbit hole. Ben, 414 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: I thought you would probably be the best one to 415 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: to actually walk us through some of this just from 416 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: your from your car stuff days. But this stuff is 417 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: an additive that to my knowledge and from everything that 418 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: I can find, UH is generated in a laboratory setting 419 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: because of the concentrations needed of urrea within these compounds. UH, 420 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: if you were just to take urine, let's say cow urine, 421 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 1: you would have a certain percentage of urrea within that. 422 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: Then you'd have to have to synthesize that down somehow. Um. 423 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: And it's it appears that it's much much easier to 424 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: just generate urrea with a couple of simple chemicals in 425 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: a lab. Yeah, that's gonna tend to be correct. In 426 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: a weird way, you could get to and I don't 427 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 1: know if this is happening yet, Somebody reach out and 428 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: let us know. You can get to a world in 429 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: which automobile components or trucking components are sold as organic labels, 430 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: like here's your organic more expensive cow generated d e 431 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: f U. It would just have to be You just 432 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 1: have to figure out where the where the economics makes sense. 433 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 1: But that's my understanding right now is the same as 434 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 1: what you said. It's much more affordable to create d 435 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: e f out of synthetic chemicals. I've also heard bat 436 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: urine being used road dog, which I think is cool 437 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: because I mean, it's mainly a myth. But how cool 438 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: would it be if you could tell your friends that 439 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 1: you're you did have a batmobile. It's just he's a 440 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: bat urine mobile. But you know, work the ease them 441 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: into that part of it open with batmobile. So look, 442 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: I don't have the best sources here, but I went 443 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:40,199 Speaker 1: to trucking truth dot com and just checked out what 444 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 1: they have to say. Uh, maybe don't take this as 445 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: complete fact, but this is what they have to say 446 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: over here. Human urine is roughly water, and the actual 447 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: urrea concentration is around nine point three grams per leader, 448 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: at least again according to this website. It's not exactly 449 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: the Mayo clinic, but uh, if you think about that, 450 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: there's a very low concentration. If you think about the 451 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: urea concentration in d e F that's available in stores 452 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: for your big rigs. That's around thirty two point five urea. 453 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,239 Speaker 1: So it's gonna be tough to get unless you're just 454 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: taking tons and tons and tons of coal pus. Oh 455 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 1: my god, here it is true, guys. It's also it's 456 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: also there. This has nothing to do with the um 457 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: confusing to me. Japanese drink kalpis, which is c A 458 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: l P. I s try it, you know, if you're 459 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: open minded, but it does not contain urrea as far 460 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: as I know, I I my Japanese is not good 461 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: enough to understand the entirety of the label, but not 462 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: what you're saying. Leads to a really interesting question which 463 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: I have heard before. People have asked, Hey, if I'm 464 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: I'm low on store butt d e F, can I 465 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: can I just p M my d F tank just 466 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: to get to like the next stop or whatever. The 467 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 1: The answer as you can, but it's very bad. It's 468 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: very bad to do. So it's like saying you can 469 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,719 Speaker 1: p in there is like saying you can put sugar 470 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: in a gas tank. It's not gonna work out well, uh, 471 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: and you should not do it. It's not a cool 472 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: mcgiver move. Um Also, depending on where you decide to 473 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: uh to urinate in your t F take, you might 474 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: have an audience that is very confused, very confused about 475 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: your motivations and where you're at emotionally and psychologically. Uh. 476 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: But uria does have uses, right Matt, Beyond d ef 477 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: It's been used in agriculture, I believe. Oh yeah, I 478 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: mean it's it's nitrogen, hydrogen, carbon and oxygen. That's what 479 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: uria is. All the great things that you need, that 480 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: the planet needs, the humans need, just in a different form, 481 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: slightly different. There not, Noll, I think we've stumbled across something. 482 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: This is a pitch to you, road dog, and I'll 483 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:12,719 Speaker 1: see if you guys have my back on this one. 484 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: You don't have to. If it's too weird, just throw 485 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: me under the tractor trailer, as they say. Okay, road dog, 486 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: here's the idea. Here's the idea. If we know that 487 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: it is cheaper to manufacture synthetic d e F, then 488 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: why not get into the organic DF businessman, why not 489 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: collect the mass of RPE from these body train cows 490 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: and if you can figure out how to do like, 491 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: how to derive it effectively in a way that doesn't 492 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: break the bank. Then you could be selling it as organic. 493 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: D I don't pay a lot of heat to stereotypes, 494 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: but I think it would do well in like California. 495 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: I think you could get a market. What do you 496 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: what do you guys think too crazy? I think it's 497 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: a great idea, Ben. I mean, as long as it's 498 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: not like, you know, trying to hop on like organic 499 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: you know, uh, kombucha urine as a replacement for kombucha thing. 500 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: You know, there was all those quacks that were saying, 501 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: we're thinking your end's good for you. Remember that that 502 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: was a thing. It turns out not not good for 503 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: you at all, sort of neutral but definitely not like 504 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: good for you. Yeah, no, no, thank you. They make 505 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: that up. It's a thing called urine therapy. It's like 506 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: it's a whole Yeah. Yeah. There's also some kind of 507 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: gurus who recommend it. Yes, usually it's drinking your own urine. Yeah, 508 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: I would say it's not. It's not the guru's urine 509 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: cult territory. It's a road dog. Be careful. Don't be 510 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: in or on your truck please unless you have to. 511 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: Unless it's a dr Pepper zero sugar bottle. Yes, yes, yes, uh, 512 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: the multi purpose soda. Yeah, okay, all right, well that's 513 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: it for now. Let's take a quick break and we'll 514 00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: be right back after a word from our sponsor. And 515 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: we have returned doc that spooky sound cue we're doing 516 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: for October. Check this out, guys, visual effects and changing 517 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: the lights. It's time for some ghost stories. As as 518 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: you said earlier, for the rest of October. I'm just 519 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: reading the Fellows ghost stories and we are comparing notes 520 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: on these to see if, like in the case of Schneider, 521 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: we can get a little sense of what's going bump 522 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: in the night here. So our first one is a 523 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: voicemail and it comes from Mario uh Nold Matt. I 524 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: would love to hear your thoughts on this. There we go, Hey, guys, 525 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: this is Mario. I have a ghost story for you. Guys. 526 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: I've been wanting to tell somebody this story many years ago. 527 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: When I was a child. I'm forty now, and I 528 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: was probably about eight years old and my mom and 529 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: dad household was just me and them, and I'm around 530 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: maybe two or three. I woke up in the middle 531 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: of the night, land in the bed. I could see 532 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: a light on the wall and it's zig zag and 533 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: went up and down, moved around, and then went away, 534 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: just like that. I was scared to death. I put 535 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: the covers over my head, stayed there, didn't move. So 536 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: let me tell you, no one is behind us. No 537 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: one lived on the side of us, behind us, no 538 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: roads behind us, know anything. I just always wanted this. 539 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: I've never told anybody this because I told my wife 540 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: the story about a few years ago. And this story 541 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: still gives me chills when I tell someone this story. 542 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: I don't believe in goes, don't believe in UFOs, but 543 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: love you guys, show I love our murder mysteries. Um, 544 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: I like you guys are discussing things well, come to 545 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: the right place, Mario. So that's interesting because you know, 546 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: Mario did something very prescient. You already could tell like 547 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: you already clocked that one of the first things that 548 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: the three of us would ask, which would be light 549 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: sort this right? And and this is something that we've 550 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: we talked about. The more I listened to it, I'm 551 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: first off, you have a you have a great voice 552 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: for storytelling as well, Mario. The more I listened to it, 553 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: the more I realized they were checking off some of 554 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: the obvious boxes, right there's no there's no road to 555 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: refract light. It sounds like it's not just a glow 556 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: which could come from an ambiance source like the moon 557 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 1: on a foggy evening. So, so what do you guys 558 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: think about This obviously really affected him. Yeah, I definitely did. Man, 559 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: I don't know why I had this image in my 560 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: mind of the burning I get. So there's a ring 561 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: around the camera that I'm looking at right now, and 562 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: if I close my eyes and I look around, even 563 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: if I opened them and there's a dark space, then 564 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 1: I'm looking at I see that ring of light. Sure, 565 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is what happened, Mario. I'm just 566 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: that's the first image that came to my mind, is 567 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: that burning effect where if it's zigzagging around as your 568 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: looking at the wall, and it seems to be following 569 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: where your eyes are following, that would be one thing. 570 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: It sounds like that's not what this is. That's just 571 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: the way my my brain put it into an image. Yeah, 572 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 1: when it gets me every time is this is not related. 573 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 1: But that sort of is like I'll wake up in 574 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: the middle of the night and I will see like 575 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,760 Speaker 1: some clothing hanging over the back of a chair, maybe 576 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 1: with like a hat on top of it, and I 577 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: will genuinely think there's like someone leering over my bed, 578 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 1: you know, or even like I have a rack of 579 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: hats on my closet door, like on these little hooks, 580 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: and sometimes if I catch it just right from a 581 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: certain angle, I think there's someone like hulking over me, 582 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: like a massive, like tall figure. Um. Again, not not 583 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: trying to explain your story away. I'm just saying this 584 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 1: is something that I genuinely in the moment, I'm like terrified, 585 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: like almost like shadow people type terrified. Another thing I'm 586 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,399 Speaker 1: thinking about here, or lasers again, because of the way 587 00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 1: it moves, But Mario didn't mention anything about streaking. I 588 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: feel like you would observe the streaking of a laser 589 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: and moving um if you if that's what he was seeing. 590 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: But that's something that could if it was just a 591 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: lone person out in the woods maybe and they had 592 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,760 Speaker 1: one of those more high powered lasers and just shining 593 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: it around and it just happened to go through a 594 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 1: window and stay on the wall for a bit. Wouldn't 595 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: that be kind of specialized equipment? Though? Thirty years thirty 596 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 1: two years ago, because Mario, you said you're forty, you 597 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: saw this when you were eight. I mean they were 598 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: out there, definitely, they were definitely out there. But I 599 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: don't know how. I guess you wouldn't have to be 600 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: super strong. Yeah, I guess wouldn't have to be super 601 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 1: strong either, depending on how close they were. But then 602 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,800 Speaker 1: that's that's another frighting possibility. How close with someone dear house, 603 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: If that's the explanation. I mean, this clearly made an 604 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: impression on you, Mario, on this, and I think we 605 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: have a lot of fellow conspiracy realists who have their 606 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: own childhood experiences that they still can't explain. Actually we 607 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,919 Speaker 1: know this because we've received a lot of wonderful correspondent 608 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: from these folks. I would you know, I'd love to 609 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 1: hear um anything. I'd love to hear a little bit 610 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: more about the house. I'd love to hear a little 611 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 1: bit more about maybe possible sounds that were unusual that 612 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 1: you heard, or anything else, because sometimes searching in the 613 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: for that unexpected context can get you a little bit 614 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 1: closer to an explanation. But thank you so much for 615 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: calling us. Glad you made it out of there, and 616 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 1: would love to hear if anything else unusual happened during 617 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: your time in that place. For now, we're going to 618 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,720 Speaker 1: move to last ghost story of the day. This story 619 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: comes to us from Kevin, and it really I was 620 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: really interested in this. I want to see what you 621 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: all think high conspiracy people, says Kevin. Having heard your 622 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: recent call for scary stories, I thought I would share 623 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 1: mine if there is interest, Oh, Kevin, there is interest. 624 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 1: It takes place in Shanghai, China and is related to 625 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: the Wu Kang Mansions, which has a history of hauntings. 626 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 1: The ghostly Fright is followed by some historical context. Thanks 627 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 1: in advance for reading before we begin. We can talk 628 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: about the historical context together. I think it would be 629 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 1: the best way to do it. But we're gonna we're 630 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: gonna edit some of it because it is It is 631 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 1: uh pretty detailed, A ghostly tail rooted in tragic reality, 632 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: Wooden floorboards creaked beneath his shifting feet. As a friend mumbled, 633 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 1: not sure how to describe it, but there's a presence 634 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: in the baby's room. Intentionally vague or not. I was 635 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 1: ushered through a door, his hand firmly at my back. 636 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 1: Please go in and let us, uh know if you 637 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,920 Speaker 1: uh feel something. Hesitantly stumbling forward, I found myself in 638 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: a room a wash and blue light. Dust particles twinkled 639 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: in and out of existence. Below large French bay windows 640 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: was an antique bed, complete with candle wick coverlet and 641 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 1: a wrought iron frame. At the foot of the bed 642 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 1: was a chest of drawers. In the farthest reaches of 643 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: the room of bassinet set still on wooden rockers, minus 644 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: the blue glow, The furniture and walls were you did white, 645 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 1: rubbing a hand over the coverlets, embroidery, and odd unwelcome 646 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 1: chill entered my body, yanking my hand away. I tried 647 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 1: to shake it off, failing. Something tugged at my side, 648 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,359 Speaker 1: as if possessed. My arm lifted itself into the air, 649 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,560 Speaker 1: taking aim at the chest of drawers. Against internal protest, 650 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: it continued to stretch itself towards the end of the bed, 651 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 1: feet petrified. My upward body leaned forward, helping what my 652 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: mind did not want. My arm seemingly grew in length, 653 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 1: extending itself further than was humanly possible, emanating from the 654 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: bottom of my spine. Another chilly wave confirmed it. A 655 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 1: presence was undeniable fingers reaching the base of the bed, 656 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 1: A dark shadow began to grow from beneath My hand 657 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: began to trigger as it continued to defy caution. Fingers 658 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 1: crossing the threshold, I was not prepared to breach inches 659 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: from the approaching darkness. I held my breath, willing them 660 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: to stop. Neither index nor the middle finger listened. If 661 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 1: my heart had been beating, it had surely stopped. The 662 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,479 Speaker 1: room's atmosphere was eerily silent. Another inch of space was past, 663 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: reaching its edge. My fingers entered the trespassed, Hovering dangerously 664 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,760 Speaker 1: above the darkness. A cold vice suddenly clapped soundly around 665 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 1: my fingers. The lights went out, blindly smack in a 666 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 1: ghostly apparition way. My upper body sprung upwards, my heart 667 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: threatening to burst from my chest. I heaved loudly over 668 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: my own frightening gas, hyperventilating lung star for oxygen of tiny, 669 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 1: yet faintly familiar female voice cried, Hey, what did you 670 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,240 Speaker 1: do that for? Watching me struggle for a single breath, 671 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 1: white knuckling the bedspread eyes wide with terror, The woman 672 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,880 Speaker 1: beside me was witnessing a full blown panic attack. Inhaling harshly, 673 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 1: I weise who are you mind? Not yet cleared? I 674 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 1: tried to continue, what is going? Uh? Delicate, steady hands 675 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 1: back as my own shaking ones. She tried to comfort 676 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 1: me as I rambled where I mean you? After a 677 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: long minute, panting, shallowy eyes adjusting to the darkness, muddiness 678 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,880 Speaker 1: gave way to clarity. I was finally able to confirm 679 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,760 Speaker 1: that was safely in our bed. The woman was my wife, 680 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,840 Speaker 1: and most importantly, there was no longer an earth sleep presence. 681 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,359 Speaker 1: So we'll we'll pause there, we'll we'll actually stop there again. 682 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: As Matt said, you can read the full thing in 683 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,360 Speaker 1: in this wonderful article by Kevin on Medium. It is 684 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:15,400 Speaker 1: called a ghostly tale rooted in tragic reality. I thought 685 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:20,879 Speaker 1: of sleep paralysis when I read this. Did that sound 686 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,399 Speaker 1: familiar to you? Guys? You can't move, you know, Yeah, 687 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 1: you're you're dreaming, but everything feels real. You're in the 688 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,200 Speaker 1: same place physically where you are in your mind feels 689 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,439 Speaker 1: very similar. Yeah, Matt, you were the one several years 690 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,800 Speaker 1: ago came up with the idea of looking deeper into 691 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: sleep paralysis. And we have we have some great stuff 692 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 1: on it for anybody who's interested in reading more about 693 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,919 Speaker 1: the science surrounding this as well as the folklore, which 694 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 1: I think are equally fascinating. But there's another fascinating thing 695 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,440 Speaker 1: that you've done here, Kevin, which is to go from 696 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,720 Speaker 1: from this experience. Kevin is okay. His wife's okay, although 697 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:07,279 Speaker 1: you know she's very patient with him. Kevin goes on 698 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 1: to talk in depth about the historical context of the 699 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 1: Wu kang Men mansion and why so many people feel 700 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,399 Speaker 1: it's haunted, and he adds that at the time they 701 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: were living within what did he say, within a hundred 702 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 1: yards of this area, And I get the sense that, Um, 703 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,520 Speaker 1: Kevin is maybe a little bit more on on the 704 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,320 Speaker 1: skeptical side in terms of how how this is described. 705 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 1: But he says he's never had a panic attack like that. Um, 706 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 1: couldn't have been a nightmare. I mean, have you guys 707 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: ever had I feel silly asking have you guys ever 708 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:50,480 Speaker 1: had very very vivid nightmares like I was saying, amantigo, 709 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,040 Speaker 1: But the you know, the the hats and the coats 710 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,279 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, that tends to join up with 711 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,880 Speaker 1: a nightmare type situation. I wake up and feel as 712 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 1: though there's something, you know, kind of glower ha hang 713 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:05,319 Speaker 1: over me. Never had a nightmare, not once. It's all 714 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 1: it's rainbows and arcade games. Yes, this would was fascinating 715 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:18,280 Speaker 1: as well for the context because it talks a little 716 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 1: bit about something called the Red Guard, which many Westerners 717 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,480 Speaker 1: might not be aware of. The Red Guards were, as 718 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,360 Speaker 1: Kevin puts it, a student led paramilitary force. They were 719 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:37,280 Speaker 1: fanatically ideological. They they determined who would be a quote 720 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,759 Speaker 1: unquote enemy of the state, and then they would subject 721 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,360 Speaker 1: them to like sanctioned mob violence. It's like all the 722 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,920 Speaker 1: scary things you see in all the scary things you 723 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 1: see in fiction about children being turned into despise, you 724 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,400 Speaker 1: know what I mean, and like reporting on their parents, 725 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,240 Speaker 1: very orwellian stuff. Some of that actually happened or something 726 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,759 Speaker 1: like that happen and in UH in China, and a 727 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 1: lot of people died as a result. So it's a 728 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,160 Speaker 1: glimpse into UH. It's a glimpse into the story that 729 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are unfamiliar with and 730 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 1: and should read more about. But it's also for anybody 731 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,800 Speaker 1: who has has had a panic attack. 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