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Speaker 1: Nathan Zigura. All right, let's do a line on a

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Speaker 1: Tuesday this year, the program merely bow in the great Z. Brisk,

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Speaker 1: brisk weather, brisk, free agency. Wait, yeah you were on?

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Speaker 1: Now now you are you're on? All right? Yeah you're good?

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Speaker 1: Beautiful yeah, good, awful weather, disgusting weather, and a productive

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Speaker 1: start to free agency. I think for the Cleveland Browns,

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Speaker 1: obviously still worked to be done, and I would expect

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Speaker 1: that the Browns are still going to make a few

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Speaker 1: more moves here safety. You know, we've talked a little

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Speaker 1: bit about wide receiver, but we needed to shore up

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Speaker 1: that defensive line. They made two moves. They identified targets

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Speaker 1: at the defensive tackle position. And obviously, you know there's

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Speaker 1: reporting that the Browns were in on Javon Hargrave. I

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Speaker 1: think that that became cost prohibitive. But once that happened,

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Speaker 1: I can tell you that Dalvin Tomlinson was the guy

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Speaker 1: and they are very, very excited about what he can

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Speaker 1: bring three hundred twenty five pounds. People will look at

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Speaker 1: just the sack numbers and say, oh, there's much more

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Speaker 1: like that. He was last year overall, just overall, he

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Speaker 1: was Pro Football Focuses number twelve defensive tackle. For comparison's sake,

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Speaker 1: pass rush grade. He was eleventh. Hardgrave was right ahead

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Speaker 1: of him. Again, just I think number nine, Draymond Jones

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Speaker 1: I know that a lot of people went to a

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Speaker 1: This is the way that the Browns wanted to go.

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Speaker 1: They feel, you know, Dalvin Tomlinson at three or twenty

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Speaker 1: the run very effectively as well, which will help out

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Speaker 1: our linebackers. But he gives us that legitimate size that

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Speaker 1: we have been lacking in the middle of our defense,

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Speaker 1: and so they are very, very very happy. I can

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Speaker 1: tell you talking to some of the people up in

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Speaker 1: the Browns brass as it were today that they were

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Speaker 1: able to get Dalvin Tomlinson after you know, Hardgrave decided

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Speaker 1: went to the forty nine ers. Yeah. Look, it's hard

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Speaker 1: because this is not a position. I mean, Hardgrave, everybody

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Speaker 1: the average fan doesn't have any idea about Dalvin Tomlinson.

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Speaker 1: And let's be honest, neither you nor I did either. No, Like,

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Speaker 1: he's grades well, and you had to have big and

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Speaker 1: and see him rec havoc um. But from a value standpoint,

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Speaker 1: just looking at the value and based on the numbers

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Speaker 1: other thing you think about with him, like the pedigree

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Speaker 1: He's originally a giant UM. So that's something that they value.

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Speaker 1: And we've seen that through abs dealing with UM, you know,

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Speaker 1: Based on the reports that the Browns have have signed Tomlinson,

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Speaker 1: still believe very much so that perry On Winfrey possesses

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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of praise obviously for the Browns

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Speaker 1: getting him, getting him at the level they did three

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Speaker 1: think he's an underrated run defender. As I said, those

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Speaker 1: and you tried to temper it. But like, how many

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Speaker 1: and none of this matters. Yeah, these are these are

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Speaker 1: But Dalvin Tomlinson individually, I think created out very very

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Speaker 1: well and he's exactly the piece that they need. But

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Speaker 1: he's only one piece. Whether it's with pick forty two,

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Speaker 1: or whether it's another piece in free agency, or whether

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Speaker 1: it's a late in the season or late in the

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Speaker 1: summer free agent piece. They obviously need to keep working

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Speaker 1: on the front seven. It's work in progress. One free

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Speaker 1: agent spending day isn't going to change it. But I

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Speaker 1: think it's a good step. Andrew, I want to ask

433
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Speaker 1: you about everything that's been going on down in Miami.

434
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Speaker 1: Ramsay obviously headed there. Their roster looks like one that's

435
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Speaker 1: just obviously ready to go, and when two is healthy,

436
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Speaker 1: they proved that they were that. But his health is

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Speaker 1: a real issue. Obviously, the concussion stuff is real, and

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Speaker 1: beyond that, just staying uprights real? Does it feel like

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Speaker 1: and I always come back to Brady. I think we

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Speaker 1: all do, right. I mean, there's so much smoke there.

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Speaker 1: Are we sure that that's not going to happen eventually?

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Speaker 1: Are they really going to roll with White and Twa

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Speaker 1: next year at quarterback with that roster? So? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I too subscribe to the conspiracy theories that there. I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't even call it a conspiracy. I too remained skeptical,

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Speaker 1: let's put it that way, that there is always a chance.

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Speaker 1: But I do think picking up to a fifth year

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Speaker 1: option changes that equation a little bit, because that fifth

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Speaker 1: year is we saw with Baker last year that's guaranteed

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Speaker 1: that that's not money that you could just rip up.

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Speaker 1: We saw with Daniel Jones and other guys obviously that

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Speaker 1: that fifth year is real. The Giants into Dan and

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Speaker 1: now they had to pay him. So when you pick

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Speaker 1: up two his fifth year, to me, that kind of

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Speaker 1: sort of shut the door on Brady. I texted someone

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Speaker 1: down there, so picking up to his fifth year option

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Speaker 1: means Tom finally said no, and I got some lols,

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Speaker 1: So you know, take it for what it's worth. I

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Speaker 1: don't think that Tom Brady thing is going to happen,

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Speaker 1: you know. I asked Josh McDaniel's point blank at the

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Speaker 1: combine on TV, are you one hundred percent certain that

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Speaker 1: Tom has retired? Because last year I got anyone remembers.

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Speaker 1: But again I had Josh Han he had not yet

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Speaker 1: coached a game with the Raiders, and I said, are

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Speaker 1: you sure that Tom is retired? He had not yet

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Speaker 1: come back, and he said, I will believe it when

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Speaker 1: I see it, and he was right. A week later,

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Speaker 1: Tom came out of retirement. So I asked him again,

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Speaker 1: Are you still sure that he's retired or how do

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Speaker 1: you feel this year? Rather, he said yes, I talked

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Speaker 1: to him for a long time. Um, he's he's he's

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Speaker 1: spending time with the family. Like, yeah, I truly do believe. Well,

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Speaker 1: it feels like there's there's a space there to parachute

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Speaker 1: a quarterback in. We'll see. I think that he probably

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Speaker 1: is retired as well. One guy who is dealing between

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Speaker 1: retirement the Jets. We mentioned Aaron Rodgers and the Twitter

477
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Speaker 1: handle earlier, but I want to go a different direction.

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Speaker 1: Here is Aaron Rodgers, the most loyal player ever, and

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Speaker 1: that it sounds like he wants Lazard, he wants Randall Cobb,

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Speaker 1: and he wants Marcedes Lewis all to be Jets. If

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Speaker 1: he's going to the Jets, I mean Mercedes Lewis like

482
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Speaker 1: played with Paul Horning. I'm convinced. But his longevity's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Nobody talks about it. It's unbelievable. Guy. Yeah, great, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's amazing. Yeah, he's either the most loyal or what's

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Speaker 1: the word I'm looking for, Nathan defiant his old friends,

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Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, Yeah, I think there's different ways to

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Speaker 1: look at it, but he certainly knows what he's like,

488
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: set in his ways. Perhaps, how about that not eager

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Speaker 1: to work with younger players who are more prone to

490
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: misunderstanding your needs. I like that. That's a good way

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Speaker 1: to put it. That's why he's the pro. How about that? Yeah? Yeah,

492
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: like it? Or he's the pro and he wants it

493
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Speaker 1: done his pro way, and that that's the only way.

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Speaker 1: That's it, Andrew, Great stuff is always, Bud. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: your time. You got a guys. Sorry for the back

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Speaker 1: connection there, blame La. You're great. All good. That's our

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Speaker 1: it twisted Cleveland. Uh. Incidentally, there's some stuff we didn't

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Speaker 1: get too off the top in regard to our guys.

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Speaker 1: He can post it coming back. Some interest that we

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Speaker 1: haven't on the league. We'll get into that coming up next.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to get to Andrew right on time there,

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00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: so we missed a couple of things out of the top.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that happened yesterday, according to Mary

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Speaker 1: kay Cabot, reportedly Ethan Posk signing to a three year deal.

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Speaker 1: You and I talked about that yesterday and that Harris

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Speaker 1: had beat him out in camp. You have I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure you on how you are. Harris had beaten him

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Speaker 1: ountain camp, and the thing we said yesteryear and the

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Speaker 1: show was look, you have Bill Callaghan to continue to

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Speaker 1: nurture guys into Ethan Posic and so we weren't sure

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Speaker 1: what that would be, but we also said it depends

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Speaker 1: on what the money is on it. Yep. With Postic

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Speaker 1: and so we don't have do we have details on

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Speaker 1: that any do we have reporting of the detail? Reported

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Speaker 1: details were three years, eighteen millions six a year. I

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Speaker 1: mean not bad. The center market was flooded. There are

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Speaker 1: a lot of good centers out there, and so it

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Speaker 1: ended up being cheaper. I think at the time when

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Speaker 1: we closed out this season, I don't think there was

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Speaker 1: a single person this building that thought Ethan Postic would

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Speaker 1: be the starting center for the Browns in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: That will be cost prohibitive, and it ended up not being.

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Speaker 1: He wanted to be back here with Bill Callahan. The

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Speaker 1: Browns will always invest in the trenches, as I was

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Speaker 1: told earlier today, and so they felt like it was

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00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: a great deal. Now that is a lot of money

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Speaker 1: still invested in this offensive line, and that again is fine.

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Speaker 1: But I do think you're going to have to make

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Speaker 1: some decisions at some point with some of these guys,

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Speaker 1: because part of having Bill Callahan is the ability to

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Speaker 1: get a free beyond your line, to get somebody that

544
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Speaker 1: is not being paid much at all, And maybe it's

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Speaker 1: a rookie that ends up doing that, but to have

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Speaker 1: that person be productive and played a high level, that's

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Speaker 1: that's the benefit there. But obviously You're thrilled to have

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Speaker 1: him back. You're thrilled to have ethan postic back. He

549
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Speaker 1: played so well last year, was a top five center

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Speaker 1: while he was on the field, according Profitable Focus, and

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Speaker 1: you could just see it the difference when he was

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Speaker 1: out there and not out there last year. So happy

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Speaker 1: for him, Bummed for Nick Harris. Honestly, I think it

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Speaker 1: puts Nick Harris's path to being a starter's challenged. But

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Speaker 1: bljuries happen, Yeah, and you know, maybe that will be

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Speaker 1: how he gets his opportunity as he heads in the

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Speaker 1: final year of his rookie deal. But yeah, nice to

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Speaker 1: have him back. And so you think about your offense

559
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Speaker 1: from a year ago. Every principal person is back, literally

560
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Speaker 1: every single principal person is back from your offensive year ago,

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Speaker 1: and now you need to find out who do we

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Speaker 1: add to it. That's speed receiver, I'll tell you. In

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Speaker 1: the event of you know, a guy like Amicole Hardeman,

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Speaker 1: the longer that it goes, the better are and more

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Speaker 1: likely it is that you can get him on a

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Speaker 1: cheap one year deal. The fact that he hasn't signed yet,

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Speaker 1: now you know the receiver market's been really tepid, well

568
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Speaker 1: because there isn't it's not nobody out the most talented group. Um. Now,

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Speaker 1: if if Aaron Rodgers and Diana Russini just reported that

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers gave the Jets a wish list of what

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Speaker 1: he wants if he is to come to stop you

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Speaker 1: on that before you go any further, because Josina Anderson

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Speaker 1: reporting that Moore will not be traded, she did report

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Speaker 1: that Elijah Moore will not not be traded. That's right,

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Speaker 1: So there is that's kind of the common sense. It

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Speaker 1: was like, how many receivers they're gonna have? And Green

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Speaker 1: Bay Jets, here's here's his wish list? Or the New

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Speaker 1: York Packers who Who's who's it? Diana Russie, Randall Cobb,

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Speaker 1: Alan Lazard, which we hear we're close they're close to

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Speaker 1: a deal with Marcedes Lewis, close to a deal with

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Speaker 1: and Odell Beckham Junior. Now, if you got you can't

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Speaker 1: have all of those guys because Garrett Wilson Davis and

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Speaker 1: they have Wilson who's the Now they could cut Corey

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Speaker 1: Davison save ten million dollars and then Corey Davis, I think,

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Speaker 1: becomes an interesting guy for the Browns. A true tall

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Speaker 1: outside receiver with some speed, former first round pick. But

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Speaker 1: this is just bizarre how he's giving wish lists and

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00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: it just feels like it feels absurd to me. Nonetheless,

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Speaker 1: that's the price that they're willing to pay. He wants

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Speaker 1: to work with Odell, that would be Odell and Garrett

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Speaker 1: Wilson would be a lot of fun and Elijah more.

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Speaker 1: But then where's the room for Alan Lazard, where's the

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Speaker 1: room for Randall Cobb? That doesn't exist. So I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't get it what they would what they'd be

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Speaker 1: doing there anyway, But on the receiver front, as we

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Speaker 1: were saying, you know, the longer it goes with a

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Speaker 1: guy like mcole Hardman, maybe you can't get him on

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Speaker 1: a cheap one year deal and that would be awesome. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that it would be. Look, this is pretty the reason

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Speaker 1: the Jets do this is because they're the Jets, and

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Speaker 1: he's Aaron Rodgers, and you do whatever is necessary to

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Speaker 1: appease him, to get him to greenlight the deal, to

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Speaker 1: bring him onto your thing with the hope that in

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Speaker 1: the reality that a year ago, two years ago, he

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Speaker 1: was the MVP of the league back to back and

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Speaker 1: just say say he hasn't won as a GM I

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Speaker 1: agree with he's been doing with the last few years

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Speaker 1: and has agreed anything. I agree, But they have a

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Speaker 1: lot of great pieces and if you're them, it's still

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Speaker 1: they would kill to be with the Packers have been

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Speaker 1: the last three years. Of course kill thirteen and three, yeah,

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Speaker 1: fourteen and three. Yeah. I mean it's consequence. And also,

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Speaker 1: like you know, Woody Johnson's owned that team for a

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Speaker 1: while now, and he's he's had to stare up at

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Speaker 1: the Patriots forever. Now he's staring up at the Bills

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Speaker 1: like he just wants to win a little bit man.

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Speaker 1: So they'll do whatever is necessary to make that done.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I get it, no doubt. Well, And because

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Speaker 1: don't get him, there's a place. What are they going

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Speaker 1: Jammis and the Saints? Yeah, he's staying at the Saints. Yep.

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Speaker 1: Bake those type of I mean that's the market. If not,

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Speaker 1: Ben said that on with us yesterday, and I saw

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Speaker 1: Brandt with it this morning and brand at fifty seven billion.

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Speaker 1: There's something with the March seventeen. So you know, if

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Speaker 1: of the Saints. No nonsense. He was not at the

636
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: combine when we left Thursday. Anybody you talked to who's

637
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: plugged in the league said Car Jets done, that's at

638
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: the one yard line, and all of a sudden, three

639
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: days later he's at the Saints. Leads me to believe

640
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: that the Packers and Rogers said, hey, this is where

641
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: he wants to be. Let's get this done. And they said, well, well,

642
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: we'd rather have Rodgers, even it's for a couple of

643
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: years than Car for a longer, longer period, No doubt.

644
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: It just doesn't make sense any other way. In terms

645
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: of other things around the league. The Raiders are signing

646
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: former Patriots wide receiver Jacobe Myers three years, thirty three

647
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: million dollars on that McDaniel reud Knights. Well, I mean,

648
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: Jacoby Myers was worth one win to the to the

649
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: Raiders last year, so they probably feel like if he

650
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: plays with us all year, how many wins? Good to

651
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: be with? Infinite infinite wins? Right? Yeah? Right? How could

652
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 1: they lose? Yea one win, one game, seventeen game, seventeen wins.

653
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the math, so they would have

654
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: they have, uh And obviously he played well with Josh

655
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: McDaniels in New England. I mean DeVante Adams and Wallers

656
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: and Renfro and him. He and Renfro are very similar. Yeah, yep,

657
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 1: So I'm curious to see how that plays out. Are

658
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: they trying to recreate Amndola and Edelman together, knowing them,

659
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: knowing that Patriots lineage? They all try to It's possible

660
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 1: that Tom Brady was the magic there. It's quite possible, right,

661
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: Like quite possible in retrospect. How's it been going for

662
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: Bill considering Tom? How's that worked out? Not? Well? None

663
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: of these guys who go elsewhere hit Flora has had

664
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: the most to me idiot success, but the rest of

665
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: them have fallen completely flat. They all try to do

666
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: that Patriots thing and none of it works. And maybe

667
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: the Patriots thing was just Brady go ahead, mister not

668
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: Brown's Saints expected to retain Michael Thomas on an incentive

669
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: late in one year deal, so one of the NFL's

670
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 1: best when healthy. He sticks with his new quarterback, Derek

671
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: car I mean he hasn't played football really been a

672
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: long time, in many many a moon. Yeah. A couple

673
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: others from around the league. Taylor Heineke, former Commanders, He's

674
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: going to the Falcon, Saint Darnold going to the forty

675
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: nine Ers. A lot of money for Heineke, by the way, Yeah,

676
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: it was right, like, yep, interesting what they're ridders the starter,

677
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, we're not totally sure. Steelers as are signing

678
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: a three time All Pro corner Pat Peterson two years,

679
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 1: fourteen million. Would it surprise you if they like put

680
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: him at safety and he was good? No, wouldn't it

681
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: either me either. Not surprising. It's he still can play

682
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: at a high level, Pat Pete. That's a nice signing

683
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: for them. Bengals lost both of their safeties. They were

684
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: planning on Jesse Bates and I don't think they were

685
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: planning on Von Bell. I think they thought Bell would

686
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: be back to the Panthers now. So they got Jeremy

687
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: Chin and Von Bell on the back end, which is

688
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: pretty good. JC Horn at one corner they got they

689
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: got Dwayne Brown up front. Yeah, yeah, that's a nice

690
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: That is a nice defense. And now they're going to

691
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: have the number one quarterback. Yeah, their defense is in

692
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: a don't know he's throwing too though. No, I don't either, kid,

693
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: I don't know who is. Don't know you're throwing the

694
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: ball too, my friend DJ Moore, see you later. Yeah,

695
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: Terrence Marshall is probably their number one receiversch McAffrey, he's

696
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: not walking through the door. Oh yeah, he's gone to

697
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: Yeah maybe Hollywood. Higgins resurgence, you'd love to see it.

698
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: Eric Kendricks a linebacker and the Chargers agree to a

699
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: deal as well. We mentioned Winston by the way, Eric

700
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: Kendricks Minnesota guy, yep, the new linebacker coach of the

701
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: Chargers prior to being with the Browns Minnesota. Perhaps there

702
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: was those two worked in collaboration. Yeah, on that deal.

703
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: Tremaine Edmonds to the Bears. I think we mentioned that

704
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: one yesterday. Why didn't they just pay Roquan Smith? Great question?

705
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: In fact, that's what Michael Silver, your buddy said. Well,

706
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 1: you've been smarter too. I don't know, pay Roquan Smith.

707
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: Oh Man, Yes, it appears like, yeah, it feels like

708
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: that would happen right after we got off the year

709
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: or right the very end. But yeah, that I don't

710
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: know why you wouldn't have paid Roquan. It would have

711
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: helped out our division. Solves a lot of problems that

712
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: you've just done that. We mentioned the lazard stuff most dirt.

713
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: Can we talk about the forty nine ers signing a

714
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: certain quarterback? Yeah, Darnald, what m I guess? Well, first

715
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: of all, if you're Kyle, literally anybody can work your

716
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: system if they're smart um, And it feels to me,

717
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: I mean, you're more plugged into the forty nine ers

718
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: than me, But it would feel to me like, hey,

719
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: let's have a camp arm to throw with Lance and

720
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: if we strike gold, we do Meantime Purdy gets healthy

721
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 1: from the surgery. Kyle has always liked Sam Darnold, Yeah,

722
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,479
Speaker 1: and is thrilled to have gotten Sam Donald. He wanted

723
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: Sam Arnold this offseason, and it's so weird, like is

724
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: infatuation with quarterbacks because I'm not sure he's good at it.

725
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: It might be the only blind spot he has worked

726
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: out though everybody he has is good. I'm not sure

727
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: Lance is well that everything. He might be wrong about that. Yeah,

728
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: and Garoppolo, like they went all in on that. I mean,

729
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: when all right, all right, I'm saying guys play well

730
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: for him, I'm saying I'm not sure he identifies them well.

731
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: He can get anybody to play well. That's the genius. Well,

732
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: that's the genius. I mean, it's a bigger The Lance

733
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: things is bigger right now, looks like as big a

734
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: miss as you could have considering with here's the thing,

735
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: there's no doubt that Sam Darnold is just a more

736
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: talented human being than brock Purty. So it is worth

737
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: it to take a roll the dice. And right now

738
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: you don't know if you got Lance or if you

739
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: got brock Purty. So that's a pretty I think it's

740
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: a it's a good deal for them, and if you're

741
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, it's a great deal for you. The people

742
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: that go to the Niners and then don't work out,

743
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,919
Speaker 1: like if you can't play with Kyle or for Kyle,

744
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: forget it the host. Yeah, well here's I guess Sarah

745
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: Saway judge it. If Sam Darnold played anywhere else, I

746
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: don't even know if you talk about it, because it

747
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: feels like it's done. Yeah, you know, it feels like

748
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: it's a rap. He's had a lot of opportunity, but

749
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,959
Speaker 1: the chances too. Can you resuscitate with Kyle? That would

750
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: be the thing. And it's really more the genius of

751
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: the system that he has and put him in position

752
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: to succeed that you bank on, like great supporting casts

753
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: are gonna have a great defense. So the thing is,

754
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: can Kyle get Sam Darnald to follow the progressions? If so?

755
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: If so, he's more athletic than brock Purty. He can

756
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: make more throws than brock. Purdy's got a better arm

757
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: than brock Purty. He's a better size than brock Purty.

758
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: So if that's the case, then that could be a

759
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 1: huge one for them. I just don't anybody knock on him.

760
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: Who Darnald? Why is it not worked? I'm not I'm

761
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: not paying attention on the Jets Panthers. I know that

762
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: the turnovers were an issue for him. Let's take a look.

763
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: I thought he played pretty well for Carolina a couple

764
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: of years ago, his final year with the Jets. I

765
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: thought he was okay. Last year with Carolan's completion percentage

766
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: in his career is sixty one. That's the problem. Yeah,

767
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: and he's not accurate. Touchdown interception ratios basically one to

768
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: one for his career. It's a turnovers, not accurate in turnovers.

769
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: But if you can go where the ball is supposed

770
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 1: to go in this offense, you're going to be accurate.

771
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: Last year in six games with Carolina, only fifty nine completion,

772
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: seven touchdowns, three picks. Quarterback rating of ninety two point six,

773
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: which is the highest of his career. Yeah, he's you know,

774
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: he was young when he was drafted twenty one. Yeah

775
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: a draft he's only twenty five. Yeah. Yeah, Like he

776
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: hasn't done it though. At There's not a whole lot there. No,

777
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: it's been pretty bad. But that's listen, Kyle, That's what

778
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: I would say. Yeah, system works, man, Kyle, it absolutely does. Um,

779
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: So you wait on Rogers, You're waiting on Lamar. There

780
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: was a series of Lamar tweets that was pretty interesting.

781
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: It feels like he's getting growing quite weary of the

782
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: you don't have an agent thing, But I don't know.

783
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: The way I read it, it was almost like it

784
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: exposes why it'd be it'd be nice to be had one,

785
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: right if he had an agent. Yes, he's saying, look,

786
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 1: I don't need to because I don't need to because

787
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: I got three years, one thirty three guaranteed. And he

788
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: turned it down. And all of this was in reaction

789
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: to a schefter tweet saying he's offered two hundred and

790
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: turned it down, which he said no, she said no,

791
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: that did not happen. Here's the problem with this is

792
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: one of the we laid out all the other and

793
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: then he goes people throw a blank at the wall

794
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: and and hope it sticks. Here's here's this is another

795
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: one of the kind of factors and why it's difficult

796
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: when you don't have an agent is that you can't

797
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: use the media to influence things. Right, It's hard to

798
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: leak things. It's hard to leak things because it's you're

799
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: the one who's doing the leaking, correct. So that's the

800
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: other thing. He can't really fight this publicly except on

801
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: social media and then I don't know. I don't even

802
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,479
Speaker 1: know what this means. He goes one hundred and thirty

803
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: three million, three years fully guaranteed. I roll, but I

804
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: need an agent, laughing, shaking and smacking my face, like

805
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: how stupid? Why do we need an agent? Well, you

806
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: need an agent because that wasn't good enough. It wasn't

807
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: good enough, right, you turn that you didn't want it,

808
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: So that would be one thirty three a year? Is

809
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: what forty five? Sure, forty five of a year would

810
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: be one three four one thirty five. So it's forty

811
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: four and a third million a year to make thirty

812
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: two this year with the transition tech. Well, yeah, that's

813
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like great. I always thought, I'm always thought

814
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: it was crazy that like that they didn't do like

815
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: three years, one fifty fully guaranteed, like fifty a year.

816
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: That's what I think is gonna end up getting. That's

817
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: the number that always made sense to me, like, just

818
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: go shorter more making the highest paid per year quarterback

819
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: in the league, or they don't want him everything. I

820
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 1: know where you're I mean, I get. I just would

821
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: seem stunning to me that they would what seems stunting

822
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: to say that would be. He's a difference worth of

823
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: eight points a game to them that we're willing to

824
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: give you forty four and a third million. Yet haven't

825
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: played a game in December in three years? Well, he

826
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: played one in December here a couple of years ago

827
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: on a Monday night game and came back from the

828
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: bathroom to convert a fourth down for I think a touchdown.

829
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: That was three years that we worked out well for him. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

830
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what their path would be if they

831
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: don't have him. Is it Huntley or Huntley? I don't know.

832
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I is He's still there, He's

833
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: not there. He's a he's a pro bowler and a

834
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: free agent. It's interesting that as a pro bowler and

835
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: we haven't even heard anything about him yet. He was

836
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: a pro bowler. You'll always look back on that one. Yeah,

837
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got Darneld had better numbers. It's just sad,

838
00:43:55,280 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: for sure he did. It's it feels almost unfair to

839
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: him that now that's all anybody would even talk about. Sad. Yeah,

840
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 1: there you go, all right, coming up at the top

841
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Speaker 1: not on. Are you in trouble with the headset now? Yeah? Barely,

853
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Speaker 1: Like it barely comes through even when I tap it,

854
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Speaker 1: even when you tap it, you can't hear the Yeah

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Speaker 1: that turn the volume up on the head Well hear,

856
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Speaker 1: but I hear it is something in the It's something

857
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Speaker 1: in the can. You're hearing everything, okay, bo Yeah, yeah, Yeah,

858
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Speaker 1: we're great. We're thriving. We're thriving. Sure, we always are

859
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: thrown from one to three. That's when the show is right,

860
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Speaker 1: that's right, continues to be Yeah, yeah, I'm not I'm

861
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 1: not crazy about I'm hoping that we don't have anything.

862
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: Uh you know, three h three, Well, you never know.

863
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: I don't like a thing. Three latest updates Schultz report

864
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: Jordan Schultz reporting that Demante Kazi the safety to the

865
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: Steelers and that the forty nineers are keeping their center.

866
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: Those are the latest things around. Leaks really slow down,

867
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: by the way, I would say, after the first day,

868
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: we're really kind of slow. This was never you know,

869
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: it was never. It's never It's never been a loaded

870
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 1: class yep. You know, there was never that huge star

871
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: power that was out there. I mean, we you have Lamar,

872
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: you have Rogers, We've already had car and Garoppolo from

873
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: a quarterback position, fine homes and then from a big

874
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: time free agent standpoint. There just aren't those a list

875
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: guys that are out there. No, I wouldn't mind seeing

876
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: Alan Thornhill make his way over here to the Cleveland

877
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: Browns at the safety spot. You know the name I

878
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: had mentioned, Marcus Epps he signed Where did he signed? Raiders?

879
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: I want to say, yeah, I think so with the Raiders.

880
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: He was somebody that I think the Browns were interested in,

881
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: and so we still I think we still need that

882
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: still need to get that safety position handled, and then

883
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: I think, you know the receiver part of it. A

884
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 1: lot of ways to go about that. I don't know

885
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: if the better receivers out there are are via trade

886
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: rather than a signing. But that's kind of where you're

887
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: at right now. As you look at this, you know

888
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: on the top one hundred and fifty guys that are

889
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: left you gotta go down like it's like j Charks Campbell. Yeah,

890
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: I just don't know Paris Campbell is. Again. I know

891
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: that we want him because he's an Ohio state guy.

892
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: I don't think he's that. I think he's a very

893
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: talented guy. I just think that I wouldn't he's not

894
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: a straight line for take the top off a defense. Yes,

895
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: I don't know that speed guy. I don't even know

896
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: that he would be the answer to that. He might

897
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,919
Speaker 1: be something that comes in in addition to that, sure,

898
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: like sign Hardman and him. I mean, I'm I'm that

899
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 1: you need all the weapons in the world. I hear that.

900
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: I hear that. I think all the weapons I don't.

901
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: I can tell you they're not done with David Bell.

902
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: They loved DPJ and you got a Maori. I mean,

903
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 1: there are only so many receivers are gonna be playing.

904
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 1: It feels like you need four. Yeah, so if Bell

905
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: was your fourth, he's got to go, though, He's got

906
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: to go. He's got to really go, because you know,

907
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 1: it was they really loved Schwartz and that difference difference,

908
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 1: but what it was, it was it was totally they've

909
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,919
Speaker 1: still believed. We had Depot in here and we asked

910
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: him about him not in terms of believing, and they

911
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: believed him. So Schwartz was a rack star who had

912
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: limited receiving play at Alabama, right Auburn that you're hoping

913
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: that's a receiver like Dave Bell was the Big ten

914
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: receiver of the year and when they was the country. Yeah, no, No.

915
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: What I'm saying though, is like at some point they've

916
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: got to go. Like he didn't show you much. I

917
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: was as big on Bell as anybody. I remember coming

918
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: in are after the draft and go did to Ohio State.

919
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: I went through what he did against the Iowa the

920
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: best corner. I mean, I went through all of it.

921
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: I lived it. I saw what he did. I know

922
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: who he is. I'm just saying like he's got to go. Yeah,

923
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: you know like so to say, I guess what I'm

924
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: saying is if you need four receivers right now, I

925
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: think you need four good ones in the AFC. You

926
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: need three dudes in the AFC, and you need a

927
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: fourth who can go. Like he has to come a

928
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: long ways from what we saw last year to prove

929
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: he can go. Don't disagree. So that's that's all. But

930
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: so no, I think that's where the I don't think

931
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: that the I think. I don't think Paris Campbell is

932
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: he's not. He's not what the doctor ordered. What the

933
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: doctor orders is fast guy, go run a straight line,

934
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: take the top off the defense. That's not what Paris

935
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: Campbell has been in the league. Or he's side to

936
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: side shifty. Yeah, that's what that's what he did at

937
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: Ohio State. You said it yesterday. It's probably pretty accurate. Oh,

938
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: I say. Sometimes he's almost like a running back, Yeah,

939
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: is the way that they would use him. And he

940
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: hasn't been healthy either with the cults. He was never healthy, No,

941
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: and that has been one of the big issues for him.

942
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: Hardman got banged up last year. That's the first time

943
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,439
Speaker 1: that he's been hurt in his career. He uh, yeah,

944
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: we need that, we need speed. I think I still

945
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: think David Bell can be a very good kind of

946
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 1: possession e slot receiver. I don't know that he's ever

947
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: going to be a number one or a number two

948
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: in the NFL. I don't think that that's I really

949
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: will I'd love to be wrong about that, but right now,

950
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: that's what it looks like for him, just because of

951
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: the lack of speed. But he didn't know how to

952
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: get open. And I think we're gonna have a completely

953
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: different offense with DaShan this year in terms of what

954
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: it can be for a receiver. But we do need

955
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: that one more guy, There's no question about it. You

956
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: need another guy that makes that Defenses are like, we

957
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: got to account for this, right you know, Like we

958
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: love DPJ, but it's not like you're not having a

959
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: game plan around him. But you know, at this point,

960
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: he's a really nice player, really good player. He's a

961
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: very solid two receiver. But when you think about, like,

962
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: just go the team we're gonna have to deal with

963
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 1: in this division with Chase and Higgins. You're sixth overall

964
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: pick in the first pick of the second round. I

965
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: understand that this is our standard, right you got to

966
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: beat those teams to be able to win the Super Bowl.

967
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: So you need to have weaponry. It's similar and you

968
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: got it, can't really rest until you have it. The

969
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: Chiefs don't. Well they have a cyborg. Yeah, right, So

970
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: that game that they actually beat them, they had I

971
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: think marquees Adalda Scanley was the only healthy receiver by

972
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: the time you got into the second half of that game.

973
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: I don't think you can use put Mahomes in anything

974
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: because of what he's all about. Um. But the other

975
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 1: thing that they have is even those other guys, they

976
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: there are elite traits and all of those guys that

977
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: they used in the Super Bowl, whether you think about

978
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: even Skymore in the Super Bowl, like those type of things,

979
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: like they found those guys in that are weapons. But

980
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: I think also, I mean, our guy has some of

981
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: what Mahomes has a couple of years ago. He's got

982
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: to get back to that. And everything's a space creator

983
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 1: because they have Kelsey well and one to play off

984
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: of it. And one of the things that you know,

985
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 1: I remember John mcclaim the general is saying, is you

986
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: he will elevate our receivers. And so the whole goal

987
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: is that he needs to be who he was and

988
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: then some and do that. And if he does, I

989
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: think we're gonna be in a very good space. But

990
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 1: I still believe we need that space creator and listen,

991
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: t stuff. Joku is also one like I count him

992
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: as a receiver. He's an excellent blocker, but he is

993
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: a good part of our pass catching corps. No, I'm problem.

994
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: That's fair. That's fair to think that that he he

995
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: is that and he'll continue to go with Watson, that'll

996
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: that'll come along and hopefully he can turn himself into

997
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 1: us whatever percentage of Travis Kelsey, Yeah, because that's that's

998
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 1: part of the going to be part of the requirement.

999
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: You just need miss matches around the field. That's what

1000
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: you need, that's right, and right now we don't have

1001
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: enough of those as currently construct. One of the other

1002
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 1: things that getting somebody who is so speedy that scares

1003
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 1: a defense does for you is that it allows Amari

1004
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: Cooper to continue to work against single coverage. And Amari

1005
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: Cooper is one of the most effective receivers in the

1006
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: NFL period, full stop against single coverage, top five period.

1007
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: It's like him and Jefferson, you know, guys like that

1008
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: that's how good he is against single coverage. So I

1009
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,720
Speaker 1: think it's critically important. I've said it all along, critically important.

1010
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: Now we could still be very productive and good on offense.

1011
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: We were last year under different circumstances with you know,

1012
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: lesser talent at quarterback. But I think we're going to

1013
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: be a completely different offense too. There's a lot there's

1014
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: a lot that there's a lot that could change on offense.

1015
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things people don't want to talk

1016
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: about that could change on offense. But I agree that

1017
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: with all of those changes, directly speaking, we know where

1018
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: they're going. You need to have another stud receiver. Period.

1019
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: You can make you can make no mistake, make no

1020
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: mistake about it. Put this offense and this roster in

1021
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 1: the NFC North and you feel entirely different. You're the favorite, correct,

1022
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: you take this team right now, You're the favorite in

1023
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: the NFC South, You're the favorite in the NFC North,

1024
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: you are second in the East, and right there in

1025
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: the Yeah. Right. But the problem is we play in

1026
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 1: the AFC, and so that the standard of and the

1027
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:30,919
Speaker 1: it's the problem. This is why, and we've talked about

1028
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,959
Speaker 1: this a lot this offseason, but That's why no matter

1029
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 1: what happens here, it's really won't be There's two parts.

1030
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: I want to get to one. No matter what happens

1031
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: this offseason, nothing's really going to be satisfied until you

1032
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,280
Speaker 1: get to next football season. Correct where fan base feels

1033
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 1: it's way we all know it, like we That's that's

1034
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: where you got to get on this thing. Um. And

1035
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: the other part of it is is because of the

1036
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: age of our superstars, we are a win go right

1037
00:53:55,160 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: damn now, situation go like it's you can't build anything anymore.

1038
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: You've built to it. The building was the last four

1039
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: or five years was the building up of the roster.

1040
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: You've paid superstar guys to play like superstar players. It's

1041
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: time to go yep. So that's why there's this inherent

1042
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 1: pressure to get those things done. Yes, So that's where

1043
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: it is, Um, You're right. It has quieted on the

1044
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 1: on the NFL side of things, pretty quiet day today

1045
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 1: so far. Um, we'll see where things go. Still quiet

1046
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: on the receiver market. Lazard was the only one that

1047
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: that I saw that has gone. Everyone else is kind

1048
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: of sitting out there waiting, and it's Lazarre done. I

1049
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: don't know Kobe Myers is really the only one that's

1050
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 1: Myers was done. Yeah, and he was what three years thirty,

1051
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: which is a lot, which it's prizing number to me, honestly. Yeah,

1052
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,760
Speaker 1: there's still some uh some high I mean, like Bobby

1053
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: Wagner is still out there. He was second team All

1054
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: Pro again start three. I mean he would to me,

1055
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: it would be back to Seattle. Would seem to be

1056
00:54:54,680 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: Orlando Brown, Bradberry, Yeah, Lavante David Pardner Johnson is interesting.

1057
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,919
Speaker 1: I don't know with how they feel about it a scheme.

1058
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: The guy is an absolute playmaker and a dog. I

1059
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: would love to see him here. I still think at

1060
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: that center position, Thornhill feels like a nice a nice one.

1061
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 1: Maybe Julian Love feels like a nice one from the Jets,

1062
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: I mean from the Giants. But we gotta get somebody

1063
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: at safety, Like right now we're going into this season

1064
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: with Grant Delpitt and D'Anthony Bell. Yeah. Period, that's what

1065
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: we got right now, full stop. Fully, I do wonder

1066
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: if there are some of these you know, some of

1067
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 1: these guys could wait a while, right like they could

1068
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: wait till camp. We've seen that older David, like those

1069
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: guys could wait until they want to play later. Yeah, Taylor,

1070
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: y Like there's a lot of those guys out there

1071
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: who could just wait to see if there's a camp

1072
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: injury or a fit that they like, uh in Gockway

1073
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 1: just twenty eight. Yeah, it feels like that's where it is. Yeah,

1074
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be waiting on some of those guys. Certainly

1075
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: we'll do a little thing or not a thing coming

1076
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: up Nextualistically, The Browns Daily brought you by bally Bet

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00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,959
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00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:50,880
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00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: have for us? Not news relating to the Browns, but

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00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: this is news. After receiving footage of the alleged hotel insident,

1082
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: Michael Irvin has dropped his one hundred million dollars lawsuit

1083
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: against Marriott. He dropped it, that's right, r RV. Come on,

1084
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: Oh boy, Oh it wasn't there a story last week?

1085
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: Like from two people that were in the lobby. They're like,

1086
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: he didn't do anything wrong. It was like two random

1087
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: like yeah, he had witnesses. But the other person had

1088
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: witnesses as well, supposedly that we're really different. And I mean,

1089
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: I guess if he's seen the footage and he's dropping

1090
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: his lawsuit, he doesn't seem great sad. After receiving footage

1091
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: of the lead show tellings and Iran has dropped one

1092
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars lass against Maryott. His law firm says

1093
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: in a statement that footage will be shown at eleven

1094
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: am in a news conference in Dallas. Well that was

1095
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: five hours ago, so that should have happened. Yeah, that

1096
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: would have been at noon, right our time. Interesting m hm,

1097
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: So it could be he's he's refiling it. Here you go,

1098
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: he's going to refile it. So it doesn't necessarily mean

1099
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: that there's something that he could refiled in an Arizona

1100
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: a court. There you go. So not it doesn't look

1101
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: it says shows the truth. New lawsuit not only includes Marriott,

1102
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: but also has Renaissance Hotel operating company and for employees,

1103
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: including the unnamed accusers defendants. Speaks unspecified monetary damage, so

1104
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: he's saying it as a as a he believes that

1105
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: the footage has made his case even stronger. Literally, there's

1106
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: a video of him and his attorney watching it with

1107
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: the media. Yeah, that's one of those one. You gotta

1108
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: be careful with those. Man initially upon reading it may

1109
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: sound yeah, that's what happens. Man listened, We went down

1110
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: the wet We didn't. We didn't just take that and run.

1111
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: We sussed it out. He followed the crumbs to the truth.

1112
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: So what's he is? He gonna redo it? Yeah, so

1113
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: he refiled it and actually named more defendants. Oh you

1114
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: had a playmaker. There you go, all right, there you go,

1115
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: all right, time to a little thing or not a thing? Hello,

1116
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: GiB a hi boys, Uh so little rule change action

1117
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: all right, by the way, first and foremost yep um

1118
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,439
Speaker 1: JJ one had had a whole one on a part

1119
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: three course, count or not count? Absolutely not really, I

1120
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: would have said count it over water, absolutely not. You

1121
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: had to get over water. So I don't care the

1122
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: part three he's a part three I think he counts.

1123
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: You're the golf guy. I would say, no, way, I would.

1124
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: It's a part three course. Yeah, but I mean it's

1125
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: it's it's not like a put putt like if it's

1126
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: it's it's I mean, there are legitimate part three courses wherever.

1127
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: You know, if it's one hundred and eighty yards or

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01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: something like that. Feels like the hole on one's a

1129
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: hole on one. It does it feel like it has

1130
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: to happen in the round of golf or we talk

1131
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: to the official teaching pro see what his thoughts are.

1132
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 1: I mean, someone'll text him right now. Need a clarity.

1133
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I guess see how a golf

1134
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 1: pierists would say no, because it's not I have eighteen

1135
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: shots at at a whole like part of what makes

1136
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,919
Speaker 1: hole one specialist. There's four shots shots around, yeah, maybe

1137
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: five on some courses. I think what makes it special

1138
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: is is you hit a ball from a long ways

1139
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: away and it goes in a hole, for sure. But

1140
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: you can do that from the fair way on a

1141
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: part four and it doesn't count as a it's just

1142
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: an eagle's but it's not a whole one. Yeah. I

1143
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't have an answer because he's got

1144
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: an emphatic answer. I'm fine with it. He can roll

1145
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: with it always. I would if it were me, I

1146
01:00:54,280 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: would probably claim it. Uh. Some playing role proposal submitted

1147
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 1: by teams to the league for discussion later this month

1148
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 1: at the owner's meeting and the Competition Committee and all

1149
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: those fun things. Philadelphia amend's Rule five, Section one, Article

1150
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: two to permit the use of zero as a jersey numeral,

1151
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 1: to allow kickers and punters to use any jersey numeral

1152
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: between zero and forty nine and ninety and ninety nine.

1153
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: Zigura thing or not a thing. Hey's the thing. I'm

1154
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: with it. I'm fine with it. I remember, wasn't it

1155
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,919
Speaker 1: Jim Otto, the Great Center for the Rails? Double zero? Yeah?

1156
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: Why can't you be zero? It sounds like it's just

1157
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: kickers that can use that number. Player kickers can use

1158
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: zero or any players to permit the It's two separate things.

1159
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: The first, the first thing that they are amending is

1160
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: to permit the use of zero as a jersey number.

1161
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: And then the next one is to allow kickers and

1162
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:52,919
Speaker 1: punters sees any jersey ortweins zero, forty nine and ninety

1163
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: to nine. I'm gonna be honest with you. They did

1164
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: this in college football a few years ago, and I

1165
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: think the thinking was that they thought everyone would do

1166
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 1: it and everyone would look cool, and in reality that

1167
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: looks kind of dumb. Zero yeah, and in fact, like

1168
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: double zero Ohio State does. Like the they do it

1169
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: because their numbers are block so it really looks like

1170
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: it's an O. So they've tried to turn in like

1171
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: an honor Like the BLOCKO recipient this year is Jonathan Cooper,

1172
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: someone who's been there a long time. But it still

1173
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: just looks like he's got an O on his chest.

1174
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 1: It doesn't look like a zero. So I'm with you.

1175
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: I think double zero, like I think zero in basketball

1176
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: works primarily because Russell Westbrook was pretty cool when he

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01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: did it. Was it? Robert Parrish a double zero? Gilbert

1178
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: Arenas was zero zero? Yeah, Parrish was double zero. There's

1179
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: you know, there's been some double zero stuff out there,

1180
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: but like zero on a football uniform is a tough look. Man,

1181
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 1: it just doesn't It doesn't look great. I think that

1182
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: they I think it's really smart to do that with

1183
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: the kickers though, because what's going to happen is as

1184
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: more and more guys come into the league as rookies

1185
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: and want to wear single digits. There's no reason to

1186
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: have single digits beenopolized by punters and kickers, So get

1187
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: him up. In the nineties, college football kick and putters

1188
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: wear forties and nineties. Yeah, they're gross. They don't need

1189
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 1: to be in the teens. Look at him, he's the

1190
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 1: emphatic nature. They don't need to be swaggy. Look at

1191
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 1: that guy. How many jackets, how many layers He's got

1192
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 1: like a lot of foot moves that. Yeah, he says

1193
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 1: he's doing this new move with like a it's like

1194
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 1: a heisman. Yeah, like a kick kick out of it. Yeah,

1195
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: he's got a lot going on. Also likes the gritty

1196
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 1: allot you know, it's a big gritty gay Yep. Him

1197
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: and boots forty like but forty six on a kicker,

1198
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: So it's so ugly, Yahn, who cares it's kicker. That's

1199
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: why they give it to him. They give him forty six,

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01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: forty eight, ninety seven. You know those numbers, that's what

1201
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 1: they give a feel like coal, and it would have

1202
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 1: been an absurd to have coal enough. Thing is though,

1203
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: like in college football, they're not having that conversation like

1204
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: you take the number and you like it. Yeah, but

1205
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 1: I'm talking about coal. Yeah yeah. Uh. This by Philly

1206
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: again permits a team to maintain possession of the ball

1207
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 1: yep after a score by substituting one offensive play. Uh.

1208
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 1: And then Parento sees fourth and twenty from the kicking

1209
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: team's twenty yard line for an onside kickoff attempt. Totally

1210
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 1: in love it thing or not a thing? Bishop, run

1211
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 1: that by me again, the specifics what we're doing. So

1212
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 1: instead of instead of doing instead of doing an onside kick,

1213
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 1: you get one play from your own twenty and you

1214
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: got twenty yards. You have to get twenty yards. Gotta

1215
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 1: get twenty yards. You gotta get the first. So it's

1216
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 1: first and it's fourth and twenty from the twenty from

1217
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 1: your own twenty. If you don't get it, they get

1218
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 1: it at the twenty or I'm guessing if you get

1219
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 1: ten yards they get it to get it wherever. Okay,

1220
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 1: that's really hard to pick up. Yeah, it's way more

1221
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 1: excited and on site kicks. There was a time when

1222
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: an onside kick was a nervy thing when you could

1223
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 1: get everybody over and it was for sure. It just

1224
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 1: seems like it's based on so much randomness, the way

1225
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: the ball bounces off of a ground, like blah blah blah.

1226
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 1: Like if you come up with a play to pick

1227
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 1: up fourth and twenty when they know you're going for twenty, like,

1228
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 1: I love it, well, I think if you have I mean,

1229
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 1: if you have one of the dudes at quarterback. Then

1230
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: you're I mean, that's that's pretty doable. Could you do

1231
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 1: it at any point in the game or is it

1232
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 1: only how do they want to do it? I think

1233
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 1: it's like, instead of yeah you can, so, let's say

1234
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 1: we let's say the Chiefs got out and score, they

1235
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 1: choose to do this instead of kickoff. Yeah, so and

1236
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 1: then we stop them and then out seven seven. I'm

1237
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: not saying against us, I'm just saying in general, like,

1238
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 1: would that be something that would be I mean, it

1239
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: adds some excitement to the game. Fourth and twenty, you

1240
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: pick it up and you can go run, run back

1241
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: another touchdown. It would allow for some dramatic comeback potentials. Yeah.

1242
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: I'm for anything. I'm a big fan of interesting. So

1243
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 1: give me all the interesting that I can get. I'm

1244
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: gonna say the Detroit once for tomorrow that we'll split

1245
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: this up into two parts. Here, Houston has this amendment

1246
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: to expand the replay officials jurisdiction to allow for a

1247
01:05:57,080 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: review on failed fourth down attempt. Bishop that you're not

1248
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 1: not a thing stupid. Here's the deal. What does that mean?

1249
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 1: I don't even gotta That's my point. This is all

1250
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 1: replay should be replay should be sky judge. It should

1251
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 1: be done immediately. It should not be somebody walking over

1252
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 1: to any iPads underneath hoods. It should be done in

1253
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 1: two minutes on any play. So I don't don't add

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Speaker 1: more nonsense, just get it done right once. There's plenty

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Speaker 1: of technology for it. Yep, that's where I am. It's

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Speaker 1: interesting because our radio booth a lot of times on

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Speaker 1: the road is right next to a replay booth. Ye,

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01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 1: and the replay booth sometimes is not blocked out. We

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Speaker 1: can see everything. Especially in Baltimore, we can see everything. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I feel like in Cincinnati, maybe not in Washington we

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Speaker 1: were right next to Yeah, I was gonna say in Washington,

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Speaker 1: it's fascinated and like they've got twenty five views, twenty

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Speaker 1: five different angles, right, WHOA, let me verify the the

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Speaker 1: veracity of this non Browns non Browns from Tom Pellicero,

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Speaker 1: The Giants finalizing a trade to acquire startight End Darren

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01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 1: Waller from the Raiders the g men? Is that what

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Speaker 1: you said? The GMN finalizing the trade for Danny Dimes?

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Speaker 1: But what are you doing if you're the Raiders? Why

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Speaker 1: are you acquiring all these people, and then you're trading

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Speaker 1: away a weapon. Yeah, we're gonna signs like why would

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Speaker 1: you trade the tight end? That makes a lot of

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Speaker 1: sense in the world. But that's the Raiders in a nutshell.

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Speaker 1: So the pick that they got from could for trading

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01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 1: Kadarius Tony to the Chiefs was used to get Waller

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Speaker 1: pick number one hundred to get Darren Waller. M Wow,

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Speaker 1: I don't understand it. I understand what they're doing yet

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01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 1: this yesterday asked this question like I didn't understand what

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01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: they were doing, and then this morning I thought, okay,

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Speaker 1: well they however misguided it may be, they're going for it.

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01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 1: They're gonna go Adams Waller, Jacobs, renfro Myers. That's their

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01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 1: definition of going for it. That's what they're trying to do.

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Speaker 1: But now you're trading one of the examples that allowed

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Speaker 1: for you to go for it. I don't understand. It

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01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: makes no sense to me. That's figuring it out a thing,

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Speaker 1: all right. Matthew's third round pick for Darren Waller might agree,

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Speaker 1: I don't understand. All right, we'll have a little conversation

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Speaker 1: with our new about our new defensive tackle with Matthew

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Speaker 1: Matthew Coller. He is Purple's Insiders on the Bike and

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Speaker 1: a Vikings reporter. He joins us coming up next. She

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Speaker 1: was to Clevelandrowns Daily on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland. Cleveland

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Speaker 1: the other end, Matthew collar joining us Purple Insider, Vikings

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Speaker 1: reporter and podcast hoath. Matthew, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: take of the time. Obviously, this is in regard to

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Speaker 1: Dalvin Tomlinson, who reportedly the Browns signed yesterday. What can

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Speaker 1: you tell us, let's before we get into the type

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Speaker 1: of player, and we've kind of gone through some of

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01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 1: that stuff, what type of due dizzy? How does he

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01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 1: fit into a locker room? Yeah, Dalvin Tomlinson is a

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01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 1: guy that you absolutely want in your locker room. I

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01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 1: mean even just at the NFL Combine claci Adapfelmensa was

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01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 1: talking about how much they wanted to keep him here

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01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: in Minnesota, and you know, they even pushed back the

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01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 1: deadline for his dead cap hits to hit the Vikings

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01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 1: cap to try to negotiate with him more. But obviously

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01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:13,599
Speaker 1: the price just kept going up and up for defensive tackles.

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Speaker 1: And I don't blame Delvin Thomlinson at all. They're taking

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01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 1: the most he could possibly get. But you know, you're

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Speaker 1: talking about a guy that is the ultimate professional, shows

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01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 1: up to work every day, plays consistently week in week out.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of players in the league where

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01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 1: it's great one week and it's not great the next week.

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Speaker 1: That's not Delvia Thomlinson. You know exactly what you're getting

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Speaker 1: from him at all times. He makes great connections with

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Speaker 1: his teammates. He's tremendous to deal with with the media.

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Speaker 1: I mean, one of the more intelligent players you're ever

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Speaker 1: going to run across. I was talking to the Viking

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Speaker 1: defensive line coach about how Tomlinson has improved as a

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Speaker 1: pass rusher over the years in terms of creating pressures,

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Speaker 1: and he just said, like, this is one of the

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Speaker 1: smartest guys you're going to run across and any defensive

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Speaker 1: line coach is lucky to have Delvin Tomlinson. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're talking about does he add a positive,

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Speaker 1: you know, to the locker room, the answer is absolutely yes,

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Speaker 1: that everybody's going to be better for having Dalvin Tomlinson there. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's a great way to open this up. We're quite

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Speaker 1: pleased to hear that. You know, Dalvin Tomlinson the size,

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Speaker 1: what does he do for a middle of a defense

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Speaker 1: with that kind of size, And you mentioned his ability

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Speaker 1: to push the pocket as well. Yeah, you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm not a small person myself of a six foot

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01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 1: two and Dalvin Tomlinson is like twice my size widthwise

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01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 1: and towers over me. And he's one of those guys

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01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 1: where immediately when you see him, you're like, okay, wow, Yeah,

1340
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 1: this is the National Football League, folks. But you know,

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01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:49,639
Speaker 1: I think that he knows how to use it. For one,

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Speaker 1: I mean, there are big guys who play in the

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01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 1: league that get pushed around a lot. And I think

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Speaker 1: what people really like about him, an offensive lineman don't

1345
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 1: like about him is his strength is just through the roof.

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01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 1: He's extremely hard to move. He is a technician in

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01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 1: the trenches, so he's he also understands all of the

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Speaker 1: technical elements, all of the schematic elements that he's going

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01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 1: to be asked to do. And he's a guy that's

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Speaker 1: very difficult to handle. With one player, I mean, you

1351
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 1: can tell I do think very highly Dalvin Tomlinson. I

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01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:23,679
Speaker 1: think he was a really good player for the Vikings.

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Speaker 1: You know, defenses are generally weak linked systems, so people

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Speaker 1: will look at the Vikings defense and how it played

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01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 1: last year and be like, wait, they got someone off

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Speaker 1: that defense, But they were not twenty seven because of

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Speaker 1: Dalvin Tomlinson, That's for sure. They were twenty seventh because

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01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:41,799
Speaker 1: they couldn't cover anyone and had a very bad system

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Speaker 1: for their defensive coordinator. But he played extremely well. And

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Speaker 1: I think that, you know, when you're talking about teams

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Speaker 1: like the Browns that use lighter linebackers, they need people

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Speaker 1: like Dalvin Thomlinson. And if you look at even some

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Speaker 1: of the run, if you like the PFF grades, if

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Speaker 1: you look at you know, how Eric Hendricks played against

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Speaker 1: the run, how Jordan Hicks played against the run, you

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Speaker 1: could see they graded pretty well last year. And I

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Speaker 1: think that a big part of that was Dalvin Tomlinson,

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Speaker 1: and he paired really well with Harrison Phillips against the run.

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Speaker 1: It was just that the Vikings couldn't cover anyone on

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Speaker 1: the back end, which you know, surprisingly they didn't ever

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Speaker 1: drop Dalvin Thomlinson into coverage. So I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: something you need to worry about, No, not at all.

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Speaker 1: Jim Schwartz the new defensive coordinator here, If you go

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Speaker 1: look at the guys who played defensive tackle for him,

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Speaker 1: they've been great and he's got the best out of them.

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Speaker 1: A lot of that wide nine scheme that you want

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01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 1: to see. He likes his guys to get up field.

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Speaker 1: How does that all fit into what obviously very high

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Speaker 1: in Thomlinson on about every regard, But in terms of

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Speaker 1: specifically what Schwartz is looking for? Is Tomlinson a really

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Speaker 1: good fit there? Yeah, And that's you know, kind of

1382
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 1: how the Vikings played last year with you know, Zadarius

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01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 1: Smith and Dnial Hunter playing wide out on the edges,

1384
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Speaker 1: which was quite an adjustment for Danial Hunter at first.

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Speaker 1: But if you look at how they played the Vikings

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Speaker 1: against the run game, will all I mean, that's always

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Speaker 1: the big weakness of that, right if you're lining up

1388
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 1: your edge rushers way out in the parking line over there,

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Speaker 1: one of the problems you run into is that teams

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Speaker 1: can find pretty big gaps and the Vikings. I can't

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Speaker 1: say we're absolutely perfect against the run, but especially in

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Speaker 1: big situations. And you know, I wish I had looked

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01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 1: this up at some point, but it seemed like every

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01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 1: time they needed one of those third down and one

1395
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:26,560
Speaker 1: fourth down and one stops, he was right there in

1396
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,759
Speaker 1: the middle of him and Harrison Phillips worked extremely well together.

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Speaker 1: And another guy, Kyris Tonga, that Delvid Thomlinson helped bring

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Speaker 1: along to the organization that's probably going to take over

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Speaker 1: that role now. So I think, you know, that's another

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Speaker 1: thing too, is connecting with teammates and helping people get better.

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Speaker 1: But if you look at how they perform in those spots,

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01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 1: which you know, I guess since the NFL is not

1403
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 1: going to ban the Philadelphia Eagles quarterback sneak, we're going

1404
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 1: to see a lot more of that. But you know,

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Speaker 1: he was He was just a big part of that.

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Speaker 1: And I think anytime you're you're asking your edge rushers

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Speaker 1: to play way outside, you need somebody stuffing two offensive linemen,

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Speaker 1: and Dalvin Thompson is certainly capable of that. So what

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Speaker 1: does he you mentioned obviously what he can do against

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Speaker 1: the run, and that is huge for the Browns needing

1411
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 1: that in the interior free up the lighter linebackers like

1412
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Speaker 1: a Jeremiah Ousu Coromoa. You know, what does he give

1413
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Speaker 1: you as a pass rusher? Because the ProFootball focus, his

1414
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Speaker 1: pass rush grade was actually excellent, number eleven amongst all

1415
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Speaker 1: interior defensive linemen. But no people see the sack numbers,

1416
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 1: they say, oh, there aren't a ton of sacks there.

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Speaker 1: What can you tell us about Dalvin Thompson's ability to

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Speaker 1: affect the pass game as well? Yeah? Yeah, And that's

1419
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Speaker 1: when I talked to his defensive line coach. That was

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Speaker 1: specifically what I was writing about is just how much

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Speaker 1: his grade and his pressure rate and his pass rush

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Speaker 1: win percentage by PFF had improved over the years, because

1423
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 1: if you look at his early years with the Giant,

1424
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 1: this is a run stuffer only. And I think that

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01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 1: what he's learned is as you as you get more

1426
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 1: reps in the NFL, to understand how to balance the

1427
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 1: run versus the pass and how to play both of

1428
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 1: those things in the interior of defensive line, how to

1429
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:09,800
Speaker 1: read those things and understand them quicker, And I think

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01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 1: it sort of shows you a lot about who he

1431
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: is as a player. That he was still very good

1432
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 1: and would have an NFL career if he was just

1433
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:20,680
Speaker 1: a run stuffer. But he's increased pretty much every year.

1434
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 1: His pass rush moves, his understanding of reading offenses, understanding situations,

1435
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 1: all those things to get better. If there is one criticism,

1436
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 1: it's that he doesn't sack the quarterback very often. I mean,

1437
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Speaker 1: this is any pocket pusher type of pass rusher that

1438
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Speaker 1: is going to have, you know, the center or the

1439
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 1: guard pushed back into the quarterback, which is effective, and

1440
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 1: he is going to get enough of an angle on

1441
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 1: somebody to get in the quarterback's face from time to

1442
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 1: time and create good numbers and good grades for PFF.

1443
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 1: But we're not talking about Aaron Donald, We're not talking

1444
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Speaker 1: about Dexter Lawrence or somebody who's going to put up

1445
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:00,560
Speaker 1: ten sacks in a season. So he's going to be

1446
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 1: effective and he helps the other rushers around him. And

1447
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Speaker 1: if you look at Zadarius Smith and Daniel Hunter's performance,

1448
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 1: last year. Both of them were I think of the

1449
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Speaker 1: top ten in pressures last season as well. So he

1450
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 1: is helpful to other players because of that, But I

1451
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 1: don't think he has a the quickness because he is

1452
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 1: so massive, or really like the natural instinct to do

1453
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 1: it to be a guy who's going to put up

1454
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 1: double digit tax So he is really effective, but the

1455
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 1: game changing plays for him are probably going to come

1456
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:33,400
Speaker 1: more on those short yardage situations where he stuffed somebody

1457
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 1: running up the mill. Listen, we'll take that. Obviously that

1458
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:39,679
Speaker 1: ends a possession there. But you mentioned him pushing the pocket. Listen,

1459
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 1: you have Miles Garrett coming off the edge. If you

1460
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 1: can't step up as a quarterback, you've got nowhere to go.

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Speaker 1: And so I think that will be something. It's something

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01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:48,679
Speaker 1: that I know that our staff was very excited about

1463
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 1: his ability to push that pocket there. Let's just talk

1464
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 1: real quickly, Matthew at about the Vikings great regular season.

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01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 1: Obviously it fell apart a little bit there in the

1466
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 1: playoffs last year. But a team can put points on

1467
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 1: the board, but they could look different. Maybe Dalvin Cook

1468
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 1: moves on there. Obviously the defense is going to look different.

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Speaker 1: What are your projections for a Viking team that could

1470
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:13,439
Speaker 1: find themselves in a very interesting NFC North, with Green

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01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 1: Bay likely moving on from Aaron Rodgers and ascending maybe

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01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions team and then who knows what we're going

1473
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 1: to have, but a lot of new faces probably in Chicago. Yeah, yeah,

1474
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 1: there are really a team in transition. I mean, most

1475
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 1: of the time, when you win thirteen games, it's like,

1476
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 1: let's run it back and win thirteen more and go

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01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl. But that was kind of the

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01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 1: final run for that group because a lot of players

1479
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 1: were aged and expensive, and that's why you see them

1480
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:43,639
Speaker 1: cut and Eric Kendricks and an Adam feel and those

1481
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 1: are guys that will go ultimately in the team's Ring

1482
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:49,559
Speaker 1: of honor. That's how much they've accomplished here. But it's

1483
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 1: just time and with the salary cap, there's only so

1484
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 1: much you can do. And so now they're in an

1485
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 1: odd position where you have justin Jefferson, Christian darrisaw young

1486
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 1: superstars on offense. You can't really just tear it all apart.

1487
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 1: Not that Cleveland would know anything about tanking, but yeah,

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01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 1: you know, you can't really do anything like that with

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01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 1: this team. At the same time, you don't have enough

1490
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 1: cap space to maneuver to stack up your roster and

1491
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 1: still all the weaknesses that you have, so you're kind

1492
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 1: of trying to make sure you don't hurt yourself too

1493
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 1: much down the road while staying competitive right now, possibly

1494
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 1: setting up for a new quarterback next year, which seems

1495
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 1: like what they're doing with the way they just restructured

1496
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:33,639
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins contract. So it's kind of a strange position.

1497
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:36,599
Speaker 1: And if you guys google search their schedule, it's an

1498
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 1: absolute monster for next year. They play Kansas City, Cincinnati,

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01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 1: San Francisco, Philadelphia. It's going to be I think a

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01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:47,679
Speaker 1: tough year for them, where if they make the playoffs

1501
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 1: that's probably a victory and then they can start rebuilding

1502
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 1: those other parts around a new quarterback in the future.

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01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 1: At this moment, I think that's where it's going. But

1504
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:57,720
Speaker 1: this team also has a tendency to do stuff like

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01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 1: signing Brett Farve or whatever. I never really know where

1506
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:02,920
Speaker 1: things are headed. That's just kind of out it looks

1507
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, it's weird too because in the NFC,

1508
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 1: like how many teams are for sure better, right, I

1509
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:10,760
Speaker 1: Mean that's the tricky thing. Like in the AFC, you

1510
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:12,679
Speaker 1: could say, boy, you we're not gonna through Mahomes Alan

1511
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 1: borrow all this. But in the NFC Philly, San Francisco

1512
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 1: and then it's kind of open, right, So if you're

1513
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 1: if you're quazy, and you're looking at this thing like, boy,

1514
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 1: it's hard to it's hard to turn your back on

1515
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 1: being a playoff team chase in a division, right. I mean,

1516
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 1: the Packers are, but it feels like they're ready to

1517
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 1: implode with Rogers going to the Jets at any point.

1518
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 1: Right now, you're exactly right. And when you have justin Jefferson,

1519
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 1: it guarantees you being in the ballpark of a top

1520
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 1: ten offense, so you start there. And and also you

1521
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 1: know t. J. Hawkinson was a great addition for them

1522
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 1: last year. You kind of begin believing you could be

1523
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 1: a top ten offense. But can you compete, you know

1524
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 1: with the other teams that are you know, probably going

1525
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:52,120
Speaker 1: to be in a better position than you this year.

1526
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 1: But like you said, how many is that we could

1527
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 1: assuredly say it's Philadelphia, and then after that, I think

1528
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 1: Detroit is clearly better. You know, they just signed Sutton,

1529
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 1: the cornerback from Pittsburgh, which is going to be a

1530
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 1: big boost for them in their secondary which was a

1531
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 1: major problem. Certainly, Chicago is way better than they were

1532
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 1: last year. I would say it's really hard to predict

1533
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:16,959
Speaker 1: what Green Bay is going to be. Probably a mediocre

1534
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 1: team if Jordan Love isn't the next Farber Aaron Rodgers.

1535
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 1: So it ends up looking like, well, you could win

1536
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 1: the division. Detroit probably is the favorite right now, but

1537
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 1: you can win your division then and then you get

1538
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:30,840
Speaker 1: a home playoff game. Why would you turn that down

1539
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 1: by trading everything away and then tearing it all down.

1540
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 1: And at the same time, you know, it's been five

1541
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 1: years of Kirk Cousins, they have one playoff win, and

1542
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 1: there's really no argument that you're going to be able

1543
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 1: to go deep in the playoffs with this roster. So

1544
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 1: they're kind of teetering in this strange purgatory spot in

1545
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 1: the middle where this might be a year that we

1546
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:53,360
Speaker 1: end up being you know, it ends up being just

1547
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 1: kind of forgettable, and then the next phase happens where

1548
01:21:57,320 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 1: it truly becomes quasy. Adappleamenta and Kevin O'Connell's team, and

1549
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:03,680
Speaker 1: I think that that was the timeline they envisioned when

1550
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:06,760
Speaker 1: both of those guys took over. Matthew, great stuff. Really

1551
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:10,800
Speaker 1: appreciate great time. Yeah, you gave me the easiest player

1552
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 1: to talk about. I mean, Alvi Dominson is just a really,

1553
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 1: really beloved player by his coaches, his organization. So this

1554
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 1: was this was not a tough one to do. I

1555
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 1: appreciate you guys happening awesome, It's great. Yeah, Matthew Coller

1556
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 1: joining us, he was great Purple Insider, Vikings reporter in

1557
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 1: podcast host. Um. Yeah, that's that's about as good to get.

1558
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:33,040
Speaker 1: One big thing that I have no idea. Do some

1559
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 1: people understand this. I had never talked to, never never

1560
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 1: heard idea what he was gonna say. You could have

1561
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:40,200
Speaker 1: said he sucked, but he didn't. Glad he didn't. Would

1562
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 1: have made for an awkward interview. But um, one thing

1563
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 1: that is happening though in sports in general, and the

1564
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 1: Vikings are kind of a perfect example of it in

1565
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:49,599
Speaker 1: the NFL, but it's happening right now in the National

1566
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 1: Hockey League, it's happening in the NBA, It's been happening

1567
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 1: in baseball for a long time. They're probably first to

1568
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:57,559
Speaker 1: do it. Like, there is no upper middle class in sports.

1569
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 1: You're either either a contender or you're a middle class

1570
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:06,760
Speaker 1: trying to ascend a contender, or you're from scratch, like

1571
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 1: an upper middle class. Nobody wants to just be a

1572
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 1: playoff team. Yep. There used to be. There are organizations

1573
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 1: in this league that wined and dined on being a

1574
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 1: consistent playoff team winning a division. We are now in

1575
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 1: a stretch in professional sports where if you don't win

1576
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 1: a championship, I'm not interested. Yep. That's just where it is.

1577
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 1: If you can't compete for the champion, that's it. If

1578
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 1: you can't walk into every season saying we can, we

1579
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 1: can win a championship, then it's almost like then go

1580
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 1: back to the bottom. And they're an example of that totally.

1581
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 1: They were an upper middle class team. They've been that

1582
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:38,640
Speaker 1: since Cousin's been there. They were never a team that

1583
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 1: anybody looked at and said, oh, yeah, I can see

1584
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 1: him winning the championship. I don't think anybody honestly said that.

1585
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:44,560
Speaker 1: And so what do they what do they have to

1586
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 1: show for it all? That's the tricky that's the spot

1587
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:49,640
Speaker 1: that they're in. Quasi's trying to sort that out, and

1588
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:53,479
Speaker 1: it's it's something that's just evaporated in professional sports that's gone.

1589
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 1: The upper middle class is completely gone, so much more

1590
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:58,120
Speaker 1: to come. You listen to Clean Bron's Daily on eight

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1593
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:36,840
Speaker 1: Not that the guy needs uh any sort of publicity

1594
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:40,800
Speaker 1: from a guy like me, And you know, we could

1595
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 1: probably do an endorsement more likes with something like this,

1596
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:46,679
Speaker 1: considering my reputation. Sure, but I stumbled into the Teramana

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01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 1: in yehie. It's a delight and it's fifty It really is.

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01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 1: I mean, he crushed it. The Represado is a delight.

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Speaker 1: Understand box, I understand, But I judge everything all tequilas.

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01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 1: I judge on and Jeho. That's the one that I like.

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01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 1: And I saw it over the weekend and I picked

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01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:08,040
Speaker 1: it up and it's it's really good. It's a it's

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01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:12,679
Speaker 1: a real treat sent scenario. Guy. I like me a class.

1604
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:14,720
Speaker 1: I like me at Don Julio and you said that

1605
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 1: it's in the it's in that vicinity. You blind it

1606
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:19,439
Speaker 1: with a nineteen forty two that says all you need

1607
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:21,680
Speaker 1: to know about it. I did. I ran it out.

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01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't have a full taste test, but

1609
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 1: I'm well familiar how those others taste, and those are

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01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:27,559
Speaker 1: the ones that I always have around, and I'm an

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01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 1: elite palette, and I wanted to give it a shot,

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01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:31,560
Speaker 1: and it was it was a pretty good job. And

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01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 1: in a cold night, maybe a little little bit of salt,

1614
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:38,599
Speaker 1: little slight lime squeeze. All of a sudden, it's tropical.

1615
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:43,640
Speaker 1: It's tropical, boy, we could use that. Never used to

1616
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 1: be in the fifties by end of the week. But

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01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:51,639
Speaker 1: d percent chance of rain? Yeah so what so full

1618
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:54,479
Speaker 1: rain Thursday and Friday, and then it's back down to

1619
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 1: thirty two for Saturday. Correct, Yeah, it's good. So just

1620
01:25:57,439 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 1: all ice, yep, all the rain will melt at all,

1621
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 1: It'll all say, watch tournament a thirty two degree. The

1622
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:05,679
Speaker 1: best day that we're going to get is Tuesday. Between

1623
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 1: now in April is Tuesday or Thursday. The twenty third

1624
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:10,920
Speaker 1: is gonna be fifty two degrees with no rain. Every

1625
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:12,639
Speaker 1: other fifty to three day has more than fifty percent

1626
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 1: chance of rain. Just garbage, like where never I'm out

1627
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 1: here on the twenty fifth, I don't care. After that,

1628
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 1: when did we get anything we don't even have a

1629
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 1: there's nothing with a six, nothing nothing. Did we have

1630
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 1: one day in the month and this with a seven?

1631
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 1: I don't think we had one. We had two. There

1632
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 1: was that one day in February, but it was seventy

1633
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 1: five with eight thousand mile an hour. Yeah, yeah, all right,

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