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Speaker 3: You are listening to episode two hundred and thirty three

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Speaker 3: of Hurdle, a wellness focus podcast. Reconnect with everyone from

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Speaker 3: your favorite athletes to top experts and industry CEOs about

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Speaker 3: their highest highs, toughest moments, and everything in between. We

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Speaker 3: I am sitting down with coach Chris Bennett. I always

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Speaker 4: So yeah, super.

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Speaker 2: Important, super important, you know.

439
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Speaker 3: Reminiscent here this conversation talking about teammates and supporting yourself.

440
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Speaker 3: Bring it back to maybe the last time we spoke,

441
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Speaker 3: which was during the pandemic, your first time on the show.

442
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Speaker 3: During that time when so many of us were really

443
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Speaker 3: learning how to be our own teammate, right like, put

444
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Speaker 3: in situations that we had really never been in before,

445
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Speaker 3: tested in a way that we had never been tested before.

446
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Speaker 3: Catch us up a little bit on some highlights, like

447
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Speaker 3: what's Coach B been up to, what's he been working

448
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Speaker 3: on in the last couple of years.

449
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Speaker 4: This is going to sound boring, but more of the same.

450
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Speaker 4: I mean that's the for me.

451
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Speaker 1: The biggest change that occurred for my job in COVID

452
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Speaker 1: was I think that it was more not so much accessible.

453
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Speaker 1: I think it was people were more open to what

454
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Speaker 1: was really being said. I mean, if you get rid

455
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Speaker 1: of all of the races in the world, suddenly the

456
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Speaker 1: only purpose for running can no longer be I want

457
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Speaker 1: to run my fastest five k or I want to

458
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Speaker 1: do a marathon.

459
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Speaker 4: And when the.

460
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Speaker 1: Entire globe is dealing with an incredible amount of stress

461
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Speaker 1: and fear, suddenly going for a run to try to

462
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Speaker 1: get faster seems a little silly, or maybe it's at

463
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Speaker 1: least it's not at the top of the list anymore.

464
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Speaker 1: So some of the conversations that I had been having

465
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Speaker 1: for a couple of years, I think just resonated a

466
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Speaker 1: little more. And really, at the end of the day,

467
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Speaker 1: it's just giving yourself more excuses to go for a run.

468
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Speaker 4: But for me it was just I think a lot

469
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Speaker 4: of people.

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Speaker 1: Allowed themselves to go for runs for more reasons and

471
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Speaker 1: as a result, you know, I think we might have

472
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Speaker 1: hinted at this last time, but now we can actually

473
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Speaker 1: look back a little bit and actually confirm it. There

474
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Speaker 1: have been a number of running revolutions. There's been a

475
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Speaker 1: number of running booms. Most of them have focused on performance.

476
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Speaker 1: Most of them have whether it was the first one,

477
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Speaker 1: which was going from you know, no such thing as

478
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Speaker 1: really communal jogging or community jogging. It was if you're

479
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Speaker 1: going to run, then you're on a literally on a team,

480
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Speaker 1: And that was the first running boom that we can

481
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Speaker 1: actually go out and we can get fitter, okay, And

482
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Speaker 1: that led to another running boom, which was racing and

483
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Speaker 1: now suddenly everyone wanted to race. And then there was

484
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Speaker 1: another running boom of the marathon in the early eighties,

485
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Speaker 1: where everyone suddenly wanted to do a marathon. So all

486
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Speaker 1: these booms have really just been about literally just the

487
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Speaker 1: running aspect of it. I'm running to get physically fitter,

488
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Speaker 1: or I'm running to get faster and I want to compete.

489
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Speaker 1: This was the first time that there was literally a

490
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Speaker 1: boom based on all the other shit that you get

491
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Speaker 1: out of running, like, which is massive and from a

492
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Speaker 1: coaching perspective, that's the stuff that there is no you know,

493
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Speaker 1: date of expiration for that, Like if you're only running

494
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Speaker 1: to get faster, like I got a news flash, like

495
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Speaker 1: at some point, like it's not going to be able

496
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Speaker 1: to be about just that, which means you're not going

497
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Speaker 1: to have the excuse, the motivation to go for a

498
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Speaker 1: run because you're like, I'm never going to run another

499
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Speaker 1: five k faster than I did.

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Speaker 4: Okay, well now what Well if.

501
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Speaker 1: That's all you want, there isn't anything left for you

502
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Speaker 1: in the sport, which is really sad. But if you're

503
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Speaker 1: going out there because you're saying, you know, I need

504
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Speaker 1: to know I accomplished something today, or I need to

505
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Speaker 1: do with some stress, or I want to explore a

506
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Speaker 1: part of my neighborhood, or it's my opportunity to be

507
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Speaker 1: outside and be around people, because there was a period

508
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Speaker 1: where running was an excuse to be around people because

509
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Speaker 1: you couldn't be around people inside.

510
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Speaker 4: Think about that, like.

511
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no expiration date for that. It doesn't matter

512
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Speaker 1: if you're fifteen, twenty five, sixty five or one hundred

513
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Speaker 1: and five. Like going out to relieve some stress, you

514
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Speaker 1: can always do that, yeah, which means you can always

515
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: come back a little bit better as long as you're

516
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Speaker 1: not measuring it just on Am I getting faster?

517
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Speaker 4: Am I going further?

518
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Speaker 1: And I think, to me, that's that's been what I've

519
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Speaker 1: been up to because more and more people have realized

520
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Speaker 1: that more and more people are going after it. And

521
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Speaker 1: this is the cool part when you are during a

522
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Speaker 1: phase in your life where it is one of the

523
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Speaker 1: top reasons is to get faster. If you include these

524
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Speaker 1: other reasons as potential excuses to go for a run,

525
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Speaker 1: you're going to have better runs. You're going to get faster.

526
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Speaker 1: So running to go out and relieve stress will make

527
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Speaker 1: you a better runner. There is a there's nothing you're

528
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Speaker 1: going to lose by expanding the reasons why you go

529
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Speaker 1: for a run and making it about more than just

530
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Speaker 1: the you know, the pace, the distance and all that stuff.

531
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Speaker 1: So it's made it's made my life a little bit easier,

532
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Speaker 1: which is nice.

533
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

534
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Speaker 3: I mean it also probably has really shaped the way

535
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Speaker 3: that you think about and create content for an right,

536
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Speaker 3: because now these people that were maybe sipping the kool

537
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 3: aid before but are now like full on, like drinking

538
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 3: it by the gallon, are coming to you and saying

539
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Speaker 3: exactly what it is that they want and what they

540
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Speaker 3: need to continue in their pursuit of run with that

541
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Speaker 3: diverse list of reasons as to why they're getting out

542
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Speaker 3: there and lacing up in the first place.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and to that point, I asked, I don't have

544
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Speaker 1: to explain why certain runs are needed, you know, like

545
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Speaker 1: the back in like twenty seventeen, it was one of

546
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Speaker 1: the first runs was that don't want to run run

547
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Speaker 1: And it was like, do you do we really need it?

548
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Speaker 1: Don't want to run run? I'm like, yeah, cause most

549
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Speaker 1: people's runs or don't want to run runs. But you

550
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Speaker 1: can take that out to something like the thank you run,

551
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Speaker 1: which was what is that about?

552
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Speaker 2: Last?

553
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Speaker 4: But it was because this is a really good thing

554
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Speaker 4: to talk about.

555
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Speaker 1: So we just had our fifth kind of thank you run,

556
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Speaker 1: which is like thirty minute thank yous, but those are

557
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Speaker 1: the types of runs that are also the ones.

558
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Speaker 4: That get done over and over and over again.

559
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Speaker 1: And I think it's also because we're human beings and

560
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: we all go through a lot of stuff and this

561
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 1: is a roller coaster of ups and downs. Yeah, and

562
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Speaker 1: it doesn't always mean that they're you know, substantial downs

563
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Speaker 1: or incredible highs, but it is rolling.

564
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Speaker 4: But it's also good good lessons.

565
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Speaker 1: I mean, as a former teacher, I mean, you know,

566
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Speaker 1: a lot of teaching is repetition because the best lessons often,

567
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: you know, you need to remind people of. So those

568
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Speaker 1: are the types of things I mean, And you're right,

569
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Speaker 1: I mean, over just the past couple of months, I mean,

570
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Speaker 1: one of the biggest runs we've ever had was it

571
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Speaker 1: came out just a few months ago called It's Okay

572
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Speaker 1: five K, which is really just me coming in thirty

573
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Speaker 1: times over the course of this five K telling you

574
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Speaker 1: like it's it's okay if you're struggling, or it's okay

575
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: if you're different, or it's okay to try your best,

576
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: it's okay to take a break. You know, I think

577
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Speaker 1: we forget sometimes, like all that seems really obvious, doesn't it.

578
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Speaker 3: So it's so interesting to hear you say that sometimes

579
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Speaker 3: the biggest lessons that we learn are worth repeating, like

580
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Speaker 3: we need them repeat it.

581
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because those are the ones that are so obvious

582
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Speaker 1: you eventually take them for granted, and those are the

583
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Speaker 1: ones that you just overlook. So I mean, like, there

584
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Speaker 1: isn't one thing in the It's ok five K that

585
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Speaker 1: I think if I were to write down, you'd be like,

586
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Speaker 1: that's that's interesting.

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Speaker 4: I never thought about that. Of course, it's okay to

588
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Speaker 4: be different.

589
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Speaker 1: But we can forget that and we can feel like

590
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Speaker 1: it's not or it scary, and sometimes you just need

591
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: someone to be like, I just need to remind you

592
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Speaker 1: of something you already know, And sometimes that's the epiphany.

593
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: It's just it's just relearning something that you once knew

594
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Speaker 1: and have since kind of parked somewhere back in your

595
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Speaker 1: mind and hidden under a lot of garbage.

596
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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of garbage. You know, as a coach,

597
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 3: not just over on Nike Run Club, but then also

598
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Speaker 3: you mentioned bringing a slew of teams here to NxN.

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Speaker 3: You know, you have certainly been a role model for

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Speaker 3: so for so many, So how does it feel for

601
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Speaker 3: you to be a role model and to tag on

602
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Speaker 3: to that what would you say or who would you

603
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Speaker 3: say have been some of yours?

604
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Speaker 4: That's a good question.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever that's, you know, not

606
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Speaker 1: to jump on what we were just talking about. That

607
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Speaker 1: seems like that would be an obvious question for me

608
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Speaker 1: to get asked, and I don't think I've ever been

609
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: asked that question.

610
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Speaker 4: So cheers to you. Wows there we go? Right?

611
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I since I taught and coached in high school,

612
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Speaker 1: I didn't look at it really as being a role model.

613
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Speaker 1: I looked at it really as part of the job description,

614
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Speaker 1: like if you are if you are in a position,

615
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Speaker 1: and a lot of times you get put in a position,

616
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Speaker 1: whether you're a teacher or a coach, whether you deserve

617
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Speaker 1: it or not. You're in a position of leadership. You're

618
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Speaker 1: in a position of authority. You have an element of

619
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Speaker 1: power over the individuals that you're been tasked with with

620
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Speaker 1: taken care of. You're a caretaker, so to me, you know,

621
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Speaker 1: it might not be written in the job description, but

622
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Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone really has a job description

623
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Speaker 1: where most of what you're tasked with is actually written

624
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Speaker 1: into the job description. So I don't think there's when

625
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Speaker 1: I became a teacher or a coach. One of them said,

626
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Speaker 1: role model.

627
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Speaker 2: Can you imagine if it was like you must be

628
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Speaker 2: role model material.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's but I don't know how you could take

630
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Speaker 1: that role and not assume that you are going to

631
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Speaker 1: inspire the people in your charge to either do the right.

632
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 4: Thing or the wrong thing.

633
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Speaker 1: Definitely, And I don't think you can ask people to

634
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Speaker 1: do things when you're in a position of authority or

635
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: leadership and then not hold yourself to the same standard.

636
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: So to me, it was it was just again, I

637
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Speaker 1: think I had the luxury because I was I was

638
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: working with kids that the obligation that you have to

639
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: them is it's I don't understand how anyone could not

640
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: realize the incredible power they have over these end of

641
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: and you can really screw things up. And then on

642
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: top of that, it goes so far beyond practice. So

643
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's one thing to say like, well, for

644
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: two hours, I'm going to make you a better runner

645
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: and a better teammate, and we're going to you know,

646
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: focus on this, but you'd have to be lying to

647
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: yourself to not understand that whatever happens after in practice

648
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: extends itself outside of practice. And leads right into the

649
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: next practice. So whatever you're doing a practice, the assumption

650
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: should be that they're leaving better in some way. But

651
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: that means, you know, you have to hold yourself to

652
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: a certain standard where everyone's leaving better for having been

653
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: with you. And the ultimate standard I think if a

654
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Speaker 1: coach is is everyone who leaves should need you less.

655
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Speaker 1: If your team is relying on you more and more

656
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Speaker 1: and more the more they work with you, I think

657
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Speaker 1: you're a pretty crappy coach. I mean, by the end,

658
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: they shouldn't really need you at all. It should really

659
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: just be you're there to kind of again reaffirm lessons.

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Speaker 1: They already know you can be someone there for them

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Speaker 1: to lean on ask for advice. But so to me,

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Speaker 1: like that's that was a role model. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if I ever used that term, which is so weird

664
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Speaker 1: that you're asking this, but yeah, that's one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: I just assumed that if I was going to coach

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Speaker 1: and I was going to teach, that I absolutely had

667
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: to be a role model one hundred percent. I was

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Speaker 1: lucky because I was I was fourth out of five kids,

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Speaker 1: so I had an older sister and three older brothers

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Speaker 1: or two older brothers, I'm sorry, a younger brother also,

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Speaker 1: and whether they realize whether a sibling realizes it or not,

672
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: too you look up to them totally, not just physically

673
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: like you look up to them, so how they carry

674
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Speaker 1: themselves is really important. So I lucked out there my parents.

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Speaker 1: I think most parents realize that their role models, so

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00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: I looked up to them. So I mean just the

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Speaker 1: people that you're around a lot. And then I had

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Speaker 1: a few teachers that stood out more than some others.

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Speaker 1: But I always kind of held the teachers to a standard,

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Speaker 1: whether they know it or not, and more often than

681
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Speaker 1: not they upheld it. But on the flip side, I

682
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Speaker 1: also learned when you have good role models, you can

683
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: have people in that exact same position that could be

684
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: really bad ones. So sometimes like really good lessons also

685
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: tell you not just what to do, they should tell

686
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Speaker 1: you what not to do. And also really crappy lessons

687
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: don't just teach you what not to do, they teach

688
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Speaker 1: you what to do. So by having a really good teacher,

689
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: I knew what a good teacher now does and what

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Speaker 1: a good teacher does not do. And I've had bad

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Speaker 1: teachers that bereat kids and make them feel stupid and

692
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Speaker 1: as a result, I knew that's what not to do.

693
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Speaker 1: That doesn't lead to better performance. That just leads to

694
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Speaker 1: a kid who's scared to raise their hand, which is

695
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: the opposite of what you want.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean there's a difference between knowing and

697
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 3: executing though, right Like, you may know, but if you

698
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 3: look at your moral compass and your values and how

699
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 3: you want to execute, that is kind of where that

700
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 3: power lies. Also, I've really been thinking about what you

701
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 3: just said two minutes ago, saying that a good coach

702
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Speaker 3: or maybe a good leader, the people that they work

703
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Speaker 3: with over.

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Speaker 2: Time need them less.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And I'm thinking about that in context to maybe

706
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Speaker 3: like bring it to adulthood and mentors. I don't know

707
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Speaker 3: if maybe it's just the shift in the language where

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Speaker 3: it's you don't need them, so to speak, because you

709
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 3: start to create and pave your own way. But I

710
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 3: do believe that you still desire that connection because this

711
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 3: person so truly inspires you to step into the beauty

712
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Speaker 3: that is your best self.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I think it's just the I mean you just

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Speaker 1: described it. I think what happens is the relationship changes

716
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Speaker 1: where I mean, like honestly if you're if you're a

717
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Speaker 1: teacher or you're a coach, the goal really should be

718
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Speaker 1: not only do they need you less and less, but

719
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Speaker 1: they're better at whatever you're coaching them or teaching them

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Speaker 1: to do than you are. I mean, it really is like,

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Speaker 1: as a visual you should be thinking, I'm handing the

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00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: baton off to you, and they're going to be things

723
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: that I can't achieve that you can. I mean that

724
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: is so there's a level of humility there as well.

725
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Speaker 1: But also that doesn't mean that the relationship has to

726
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: stay the same because as you become equals or as

727
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: you actually become like the assistant coach to you know,

728
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: your athlete, it doesn't mean that you can't offer incredible things.

729
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Speaker 1: And like I said, sometimes you shift from Like when

730
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Speaker 1: I was coaching high school, I spent way more time

731
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Speaker 1: with the freshmen than I did the seniors. But what

732
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Speaker 1: I was giving the seniors was different than what I

733
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Speaker 1: was giving the freshmen. I was giving the freshmen kind

734
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Speaker 1: of like this is how to run the right way,

735
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Speaker 1: this is I want you to fall in love with

736
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Speaker 1: the sport. For the seniors, it was navigating some maybe

737
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Speaker 1: some things outside of the sport. It was showing them

738
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Speaker 1: that what it means to now be a leader to

739
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Speaker 1: other kids on the team. So it's just what you're

740
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 1: teaching is different. And then eventually it just you become equals,

741
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: and you become colleagues, and you can become friends. But

742
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: that's down the road, and it doesn't mean you have

743
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: anything less to offer, just means what you're offering is different.

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Speaker 3: metaphors in here. Obviously, as always, it's about running, it's

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Speaker 3: not about running. You also use the phrase here past

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Speaker 3: the baton appropriate for a question that I want to

795
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Speaker 3: ask you about kind of where we're heading, right. I mean,

796
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Speaker 3: we think about what running looks like now, and you

797
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Speaker 3: described this most recent running boom being so beautiful and

798
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Speaker 3: that it's about so many other things aside from what

799
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Speaker 3: we quote unquote used to worry about, right, So, knowing

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Speaker 3: that where do you believe or what are your hopes

801
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Speaker 3: for maybe the next fifty in terms of running, well.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the things that I've noticed just

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Speaker 1: in the last let's say ten years, and I think

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Speaker 1: that gives you kind of a clue to where maybe

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Speaker 1: the next ten years are going. Then you can kind

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Speaker 1: of expand from there, and I'll just use an example

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Speaker 1: of n ex and then you can kind of expand

808
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: it out, because I think anytime you see certain things occurring,

809
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 1: especially in sport, there's obviously more to the story than

810
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: just a simplistic explanation of it. So I'll start with

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Speaker 1: a simple aspect. If you were to look at the

812
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Speaker 1: girls race this year, there are a dozen teams that

813
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 1: would have been good enough to win ten years ago. Okay,

814
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: so the depth is mind blowing right now. So if

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Speaker 1: you were to get out of a time machine from

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Speaker 1: like twenty twelve to twenty twenty two, you'd show up

817
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two and just your mind would be

818
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Speaker 1: blown of just just how many great runners there are

819
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: and how many good teams there are. So what that

820
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 1: means is that there's a lot more great running happening

821
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: out there in the country, which if you just go

822
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Speaker 1: to a track meet or a cross country meet, you

823
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: can tell there's a lot more kids coming out for

824
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Speaker 1: the sport, which means there's probably a lot more opportunities.

825
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: I mean, cross country is one of the few sports

826
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Speaker 1: that has a team sports that has continued to grow

827
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Speaker 1: year after year after year after You're same thing with

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Speaker 1: indoor track. Outdoor track is the highest participatory sport in

829
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Speaker 1: all of high school when you put in boys and

830
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Speaker 1: girls track and field. So to me, what I'm seeing

831
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Speaker 1: is that more kids are taking the opportunity to give

832
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: this sport a shot for a lot of different reasons,

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Speaker 1: and I think part of it is because there's more

834
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Speaker 1: opportunities at the middle school level. I think there's more

835
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Speaker 1: opportunities to compete at different levels. I think there's better

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Speaker 1: coaching now, So I think there's a progression because what

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Speaker 1: that means, though, is that there were less opportunities. There

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00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: wasn't as good coaching, There weren't as many excuses to

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Speaker 1: go for a run, there weren't as many starting lines

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Speaker 1: available for everyone. So I think that to me is

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Speaker 1: probably the most exciting aspect because it doesn't matter if

842
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: you're going for like a run in Central Park, it

843
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you're at Annex N, it doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: where you're going for a run. There are more people running.

845
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Speaker 1: It looks different, it sounds different, and as a result,

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00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 1: more people are running and the running is getting better.

847
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,479
Speaker 1: So to me, just like to make this about running

848
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: and not about running. The best way to get better

849
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Speaker 1: at running is to diversify your training. Okay, don't run

850
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 1: five k every day at the same pace, at the

851
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: same time, on the same course. Mix things up. Do

852
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Speaker 1: speed runs, do long runs, do fart lick, run in

853
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: neighborhoods you've never been in, run with people, run alone,

854
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: run in the morning, run at night. Mix up your pace,

855
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: mix up the terrain, you know, have some fun racing.

856
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: Like that's how you get better at running. It's also

857
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,479
Speaker 1: how you keep running exciting and not going stale. It's

858
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Speaker 1: the same thing with the people on a starting line, Like,

859
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Speaker 1: diversify the people doing the sport, and you're going.

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Speaker 4: To have a better sport.

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Speaker 1: If it's the same group at the same time, running

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Speaker 1: the same way, talking the same way, sounding the same way, like,

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00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: the sport will go stale. And I think right now

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00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: there's a lot of excitement around this sport because there

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Speaker 1: are more starting lines opening up. I think what needs

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Speaker 1: to happen is that just needs to be amplified. I

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Speaker 1: think it's exciting and it's a challenge. It's a challenge

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Speaker 1: to say, yes, things are diversifying in the sport of running,

869
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: but now not to just put the car in neutral.

870
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Speaker 1: This is where you put your pedal down and you say, Okay,

871
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: let's open up as many opportunities, as many starting lines

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Speaker 1: for as many people as possible, because this is a really,

873
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: really great sport for everyone to be a part of.

874
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 2: Okay, so I have to challenge you real quick, Okay. Running.

875
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 3: USA's twenty twenty National Runner Survey found that only three

876
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 3: percent of all US runners are black. Yeah, how do

877
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 3: we include and open up more starting lines for not

878
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 3: only people of color, but maybe LGBTQ, et cetera, marginalized

879
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 3: groups that have a vested interests perhaps in sport, but

880
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 3: maybe haven't found their comfortability in it just yet.

881
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: Well, I think it goes to supporting them where they are.

882
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: I mean, because this is the thing, and if you

883
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: want to run, you have to be comfortable.

884
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 4: Okay.

885
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: It's no different than if it's cold out and you

886
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: don't have the right gear, You're not going to go

887
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: for a run. If it's dark and you don't feel

888
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: safe you're not going to go for a run. So

889
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: if you don't feel comfortable as who you are, we're

890
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: not talking about weather now, which can be fixed with

891
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: a jacket, and we're not talking about the lighting, which

892
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: can be fixed by the time of the day or

893
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: a light bulb. We're talking about who you personally are.

894
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: If you don't feel safe for whatever reason going for

895
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: a run, you're not going to run. But the way

896
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: you make that feel that person feel safe is you

897
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: don't say we want you to come here with these

898
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,720
Speaker 1: people over there.

899
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 4: You do all the work.

900
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: It's how do we make it as easy as possible

901
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: for someone to go for a run, feel comfortable, and

902
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: end it saying I felt good, I want to do

903
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 1: that again. But this is where I think the sport

904
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: as a whole has screwed up for fifty years. It's

905
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: not about gear getting someone to run, that's not the answer.

906
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: It's about getting someone to want to run again, which

907
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: means that run has to be a good run. And

908
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: you can only have a good run if you end

909
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: it wanting to run again, which means you have to

910
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: feel comfortable about who you are. If every time you

911
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: show up for a run and you have to pretend

912
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: you're something you're not. If every time you go for

913
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: a run and you don't feel comfortable, If every time

914
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: you go for a run and feel I can't be

915
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: who I truly am, you're not going to come back

916
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: for a run.

917
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 4: I mean, this is the other.

918
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: Thing that I'll say, because I think this is super

919
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: important and I've said this before, but I think for

920
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: right now, the moment is a good one to say.

921
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: You should end a run closer to who you fully are.

922
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: Every single run should end that way. It doesn't mean

923
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: every run is going to feel good physically, like I

924
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: felt great and I got a runner's high, you know,

925
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: which I think I've had like twice in my life.

926
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: I think, and I'm probably am lying about that, but

927
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: you should end it feeling closer to who you feel

928
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: you were meant to be. That will never happen if

929
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: the entire time you're on a run, you're pretending you're

930
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: something you're.

931
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Speaker 2: Not, or you're like concerned for your safety.

932
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 3: I mean, heck, this is like such a such a

933
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 3: topic right now, especially like with women in sport. We

934
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 3: have a huge conversation about it in New York recently,

935
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 3: and it's it's challenging right now to go out there

936
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Speaker 3: and feel like the whole time you're not like kind

937
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 3: of looking over.

938
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Speaker 2: Your shoulder a little bit.

939
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Speaker 3: But I totally hear you in this, like getting to

940
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 3: the end of the run and feeling just like so

941
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 3: much more even more, just like a little bit more

942
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 3: whole than you did when you started that.

943
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Speaker 1: I mean, that is the definition of recovery is to

944
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: take back something that was lost or stolen. Most of

945
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: your running should be recovery runs.

946
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 4: You should be doing.

947
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 2: Something that was lost or stolen. So like, okay, so

948
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 2: expand that out.

949
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: I mean that is to me, that is the true

950
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: definition of a recovery run, that by the end of it,

951
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: you have brought something back that was yours.

952
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 2: And we're not even talking about like just like muscles.

953
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, I'm talking about the opposite.

954
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm talking about totally different like this, I'm not

955
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: about anything physical right now. The the you will not

956
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: get pure the most benefit out of a recovery run

957
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: if you think it's just recovering from a hard effort

958
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 1: or an anticipation of a next hard effort. A recovery

959
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: run is about taking back what was lost your soul

960
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: and during the day to make you more holy you

961
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: then you can get into the physical aspects. But if

962
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Speaker 1: you're not starting with that, then you're not really achieving

963
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:23,439
Speaker 1: the purpose of a recovery run.

964
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 4: But if you're already starting a.

965
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Speaker 1: Run having to slice off a part of your identity,

966
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Speaker 1: then the run isn't going to bring that back. So

967
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: you never want to end the run with less. You

968
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: always want to end the run with more of the

969
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: good stuff.

970
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 4: But in order to.

971
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Speaker 1: Do that, to your point, yeah, you have to feel comfortable.

972
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 1: You have to feel safe. You can't recover when you're tense,

973
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 1: when you're anxious, when you're stressed, or when you're lying

974
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: to yourself for other people, which is not how it's

975
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: supposed to be, and that is super important.

976
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're a Miss Globe head coach Nike running,

977
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 3: how would you say we're talking about accessibility here? So

978
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 3: how would you say that Nike is making sport accessible

979
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 3: for every athlete right and using that innovation then to

980
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 3: grow community when it comes to running, well.

981
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 4: I think some of it is.

982
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: I mean, education gets a bad rap as a word

983
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: and everyone thinks it's so boring.

984
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 3: You know, you can't get a teacher sitting done with

985
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 3: me and telling me that education.

986
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 4: It's not boring, it's awesome.

987
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: It's awesome, you know, because I mean, basically, education is

988
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: just code for sharing you know, wisdom or insights or

989
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: learned experiences and all that. So I mean, I'll tell

990
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: you some of the things that I mean I've personally

991
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 1: been very proud to be a part of. We've worked

992
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: over the last two years to put out a lot

993
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: of runs on running during, before, during, and after pregnancy.

994
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: I think we have about ten runs. Some of it

995
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: is running during the first trimester or running during the

996
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: third trimester and beyond. Some of it is pregnancies and

997
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: long runs and pregnancies and speed runs, because these are

998
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: the things that I get asked a lot, like, Okay,

999
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,240
Speaker 1: I'm pregnant, Can I still run?

1000
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 4: Can I still do speed runs? Can I do long runs?

1001
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 1: And as you can tell, a lot of it is

1002
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: not anything more than just I don't know, which is

1003
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: huge and this is a great starting point with running.

1004
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: Most people hate running or don't think that running is

1005
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: for them because they don't know how to run, or

1006
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: they don't feel like they have an invitation to join.

1007
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: So part of it is inviting people to join, which

1008
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: is huge, and telling them that, by the way, they

1009
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 1: never needed the invite, you know, like they've always had it,

1010
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: like they have a place on the starting line already booked.

1011
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 4: It's there.

1012
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: But the other part, a lot of is education and

1013
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: then some of it is just the opportunity. So if

1014
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: you look at the NTC, which is kind of our

1015
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: sister app with NRC, there are adaptive.

1016
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 2: Workouts in there stands for Nike Training Club, Niggie Training Club.

1017
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 4: There you go.

1018
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 1: So, I mean, but those are the types of things

1019
00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: that you know, after they're in there, you think, how

1020
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: how have they not always been in there. It's the

1021
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: same thing of how does everyone not know whether or

1022
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: not they can run when they're pregnant. It's because obviously

1023
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: the information's not out there, So part of is getting

1024
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: the information out there. It's the same thing as if

1025
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: you're at a track and you're standing at a starting

1026
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: line and saying, where is everybody? And you realize, well,

1027
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: did you invite anyone? No?

1028
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 4: So you can sit around and you can wait for

1029
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 4: people to figure out that they can show up at

1030
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 4: a starting line, or you can get off your ass

1031
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 4: and you can start inviting people and then you can say,

1032
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 4: well what happened, Well, they showed up and then went

1033
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 4: for a run and they hated it. Well, whose fault

1034
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 4: is that?

1035
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: Well, if you know how to run, then part of

1036
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: your obligation is to share the wisdom.

1037
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 4: I mean that's you know.

1038
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: I mean you walk around about every if you have

1039
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: a body, you're an athlete. I love the line, but

1040
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: everyone can be a teacher. All it is is sharing information.

1041
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: It's sharing it and that is the key. The keyword

1042
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: is sharing because when you share, there's no expectation of

1043
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: getting something in return. And I think as a runner,

1044
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: if you love this sport, part of the obligation is

1045
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: to give back to it, which is to get more

1046
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: people to a starting line. So I think that's part

1047
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: of it. And also I think the messaging which I'm

1048
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: really proud of and r C. I think if I

1049
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: were to leave Nike today, that would be what I'm

1050
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: most proud of. Is from day one, I was like,

1051
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 1: this is going to be human. It's going to be empathetic,

1052
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: and it's going to be open, and it's not going

1053
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 1: to be about the type of shoe you're in. It's

1054
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: not going to be about where you're running. It's not

1055
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: going to be about your pace. It's not going to

1056
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: be about how fast you are. It's going to lead

1057
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: with that human element of it. And I think that's

1058
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: always an open invitation when you start with that, because

1059
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: it's not how fast or how far we're going, it's

1060
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: just have you struggled? Everyone can say yes to that.

1061
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: You know, do you want to feel successful? Everyone wants

1062
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: to Are you a little nervous?

1063
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 4: Okay?

1064
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: We share that, And I think that's kind of the

1065
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: thing that we have to remember. There's room on the

1066
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: starting line for everybody. But I think it starts with

1067
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: at least letting people know that, because most people are

1068
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: not on the starting line and they don't know.

1069
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, have you struggled? In question obviously relevant to the

1070
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 3: podcast you're on right now. We're recording this tail end

1071
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Speaker 3: of twenty twenty two, kind of for lack of a

1072
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 3: better designation, maybe our first what feels like, I want

1073
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 3: to say the term post pandemic year, even though we're

1074
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 3: still in it. When we think about struggle, when we

1075
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 3: think about hurdles, and you think about the past year,

1076
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 3: what would you say your perhaps biggest struggle has been

1077
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 3: and maybe the hurdle that really feels like you've conquered.

1078
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 4: Well, that's a good question. You really you're packing them

1079
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 4: in here at the end.

1080
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 2: I'm here for you.

1081
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 4: That's a good one.

1082
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 2: I'm winding. I always wind on strung.

1083
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: No, I would say it's been being okay with admitting

1084
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 1: how tired I am. Yeah, I would say, what often

1085
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: happens and it makes sense. I mean, when we'll get

1086
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: rid of the waiver of we know we're still in

1087
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: the pandemic, but to your point, the things are opening up.

1088
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Speaker 1: People are traveling, people are going to races, they're coming together.

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Speaker 1: I think what happens sometimes is when you've been like

1090
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: clenching for a really, really really long time, and you're

1091
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: really tight and you're kind of in a ball, and

1092
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: then finally you relax. Relaxing the tension doesn't mean you're relaxed,

1093
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: And a lot of times what happens is once you

1094
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 1: finally relax that tension that you've been holding in, that's

1095
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: when you finally.

1096
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 4: Realize you're exhausted.

1097
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 1: And I don't think any of us have really given

1098
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: ourselves the grace to just admit I know we're on

1099
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: the other side, but now I can finally admit I'm

1100
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: really tired.

1101
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 4: I think we got to.

1102
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: A point where we were okay with admitting I'm scared,

1103
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm stressed, but it's really exhausting to be scared. It's

1104
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: really exhausting to be stressed. And I think the next

1105
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: thing I think we all have to be okay with

1106
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 1: admitting is I am really tired and we're not at

1107
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: our best room. We're tired, and I think until we

1108
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: give ourselves the ability to recover from that, we're not

1109
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: going to recover.

1110
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 4: So for me, it's been a little bit on and

1111
00:54:58,520 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 4: off of.

1112
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 1: Just realizing that it's not that I don't have anything

1113
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: to write, or I don't have anything to say, or that,

1114
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: you know.

1115
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 4: Gosh, I'm not inspired to go to work today. I'm

1116
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 4: just tired.

1117
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: And a lot of times we can blame all these

1118
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: other things, like why have I lost inspiration? Why am

1119
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: I not motivated? Why am I not doing good work?

1120
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: And it's you're tired. It doesn't mean you're bad at

1121
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: your job. It doesn't mean you're a bad runner, it

1122
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you're a bad partner. You're tired, and it's

1123
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 1: just like anything else. I mean, you'd think runners, we

1124
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 1: would figure this out because after a hard workout, what's the.

1125
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 4: Number one thing to do? Recover?

1126
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: And we just went through a really hard workout that

1127
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: lasted a couple of years and we still haven't recovered.

1128
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: So I would say one of my goals, oddly enough,

1129
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: is I would hope twenty twenty three gets us further

1130
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: and further away from all of the hardest parts of

1131
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: the past few years. But I would say that the

1132
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: best work and the best efforts I'm going to be

1133
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: able to give are going to be effort and work

1134
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:02,280
Speaker 1: towards recovering.

1135
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, when someone tells you that like I'm tired, they're

1136
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 3: out the admission. They admit it, right, what happens after

1137
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 3: they admit it, Like, how how do you move forward?

1138
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 4: Then?

1139
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: Well, I think you celebrate the work they're going to

1140
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: do to recover because I think we we do not

1141
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: equate them equally, and we should. So we look at

1142
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:24,720
Speaker 1: like if you're gonna if you're gonna do something hard,

1143
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: that's bad ass. Recovery is like a sign of weakness,

1144
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: and it's like not recovery is like I think that

1145
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: what I think if people realize that, like not everything's

1146
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: about running, but we're going to make it about running

1147
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: right here. Great running is dependent on great recovery, and

1148
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: if you want consistently good running, you have to consistently recover.

1149
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: So I think some of it is being like a

1150
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 1: champion for recovery, making recovery bad ass, making people know

1151
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: that they can be just as passionate about recovering as

1152
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,879
Speaker 1: they can about building up fatigue, because that's all we do.

1153
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 1: No one says like, I got ten hours of sleep

1154
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: and someone's like, good for you. People are like, I

1155
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: work ninety hour weeks, You're a badass. Well what if

1156
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: somebody works their ass off and never gets told they

1157
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: need to recover. I'll tell you what, They're not going

1158
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: to be able to work their ass off for very long.

1159
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: I don't think that's impressive. I don't think you working

1160
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: hard for a week and crashing is impressive. I think

1161
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: you can be way more intelligent about it and probably

1162
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: work really well all year round with great recovery. So

1163
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: if you want to showboat that you get four hours

1164
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: of sleep as opposed to spacing out the work over

1165
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: a period of time and getting eight hours of sleep,

1166
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm in the eight hour camp because

1167
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: I want to see you back here, and because I

1168
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: know what happens, I know what happens for me personally.

1169
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: I know what happens from working with athletes, I know

1170
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: what happens with working at Nike. When people work too

1171
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: hard for too long, they don't last. And what you

1172
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: want to do is you want to last. This isn't

1173
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: about today, this is about a lifetime. So if you

1174
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: are putting yourself out there and you're being to do

1175
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: a lot of work, understand that the best way to

1176
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: take advantage of the work you did is to recover

1177
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: with just as much passion and focus as you did

1178
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: working to accomplish all those things. And then, just in general,

1179
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: I think we need to, like I said, I think

1180
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: we need to be calling each other out in a

1181
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: good way about recovering like badasses. It's not just about

1182
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: running or working like a badass.

1183
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 4: Recover like a badass.

1184
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: You know when someone comes into work and they're ready

1185
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: to rock, Yeah, they're inspiring and it is a halo

1186
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: effect on everyone else. You also know when someone's dragging

1187
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: and refuses to recover. Yeah, you know where it ends.

1188
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: It doesn't end with them doing great work, It ends

1189
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: with them missing work. Badass recovery badass recovery. Let's go

1190
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: for it twenty twenty three. That's what it's all about.

1191
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 3: Final two questions, all right, Usually I ask someone how

1192
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 3: they feel when they look in the mirror, what they

1193
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 3: see looking back at them.

1194
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 2: I've asked you that question before, so I'm not going

1195
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 2: to do it today.

1196
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 3: But what I am going to ask you, as a

1197
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 3: dad and a coach, Yep, when your two daughters look

1198
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,919
Speaker 3: in the mirror tomorrow morning, before they head out and

1199
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 3: run N XN, what do you want them to see

1200
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 3: looking back at them.

1201
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: I want them to be proud of themselves before the

1202
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: before the race. I want them to be as proud

1203
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: of them as I am of them.

1204
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 4: I want you know what I mean.

1205
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: Like it's it's weird to say this, but I would

1206
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: love for them to look in the mirror and see

1207
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: them the way I see them, because they're fucking rock stars,

1208
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: you know, like flat out and they can hear Daddy

1209
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: curse because they are. They're fucking rock stars. And I

1210
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: want them to know that. And I think that's and

1211
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna expand it out. I'm not limiting that to

1212
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: my two girls on the line. Every girl on that

1213
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: line needs to look at themselves and think that, because

1214
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: the fact is they are. This isn't blowing smoke up

1215
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: anybody's but you're rock stars. And you can go to

1216
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: the regional meets and all those girls who took the

1217
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: line there, they're freaking rock stars. Okay, it is. They're

1218
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: not normal, and I mean that in the best possible sense.

1219
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: They're not ordinary, okay, because not everyone has taken these

1220
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: starting lines. I wish they would, but they're not. So

1221
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: until that happens, they're extraordinary and if you marry the words,

1222
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: it means extraordinary. But most of them probably don't look

1223
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: at the mirror and think that. And part of it

1224
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: is because the world they live in, where you're an athlete,

1225
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: everyone's doing this. But if they could just take a

1226
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: step back, and I have the luxury of doing that,

1227
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: because I'm not them looking in the mirror, I'm looking

1228
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: at them looking in the mirror.

1229
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 4: I know not everyone does this.

1230
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: I know that's extraordinary, and I just wish all of

1231
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: these kids knew what they're doing and who they are

1232
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: is extraordinary, because life's going to try to convince you

1233
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 1: that you're not. But if you at least have these

1234
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: moments where you can say I was in that moment.

1235
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: That's all it takes to get you out of those holes,

1236
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: which is super important. So that would be what I

1237
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: would hope that they see what I see.

1238
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 2: All Right, I love that extraordinary that's all we want

1239
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:12,959
Speaker 2: to be. Yeah, and you only need to be at once.

1240
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: Well, and the cool thing is is again not to

1241
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: get overly cheesy here, but I'm going to get a

1242
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: lit over cheesy.

1243
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 2: I'm down with it.

1244
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 4: And again I'm a dictionary guy.

1245
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: Okay, people should look up the definition of extraordinary. Simply

1246
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: being who you are quantifies as extraordinary because you are

1247
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: the only person like you. And I know that people

1248
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: can hear that, and sometimes it's like on a post

1249
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,439
Speaker 1: with a cat, like going after a ball of yarn,

1250
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: and it can seem very cheesy, but the.

1251
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 4: Fact of the matter is it's legit.

1252
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: There isn't anybody like you, and the more you try

1253
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 1: to be like other people, the less extraordinary you become.

1254
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: So don't be afraid of being yourself, because that is

1255
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: literally how you become extraordinary. And if you don't agree

1256
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: with me saying that, go to the dictionary and then

1257
01:01:58,080 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: you can write websters and you can argue with them,

1258
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 1: because that's the definition, y'all. Okay, be yourself, you're extraordinary.

1259
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 2: Then it doesn't want you and his DMS arguing with him.

1260
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 4: No, don't argue with me about the dictionary because I'm

1261
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 4: gonna win. Okay. The dictionary is like my assistant coach,

1262
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 4: So I love that. Don't bring that. Bring something else.

1263
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 3: Rather than ask you about advice that you would have

1264
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 3: offered to yourself. Like I usually close the end of

1265
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 3: every podcast again tail end of the year here, So

1266
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 3: we're gonna close it big. We're gonna think forward twenty

1267
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 3: twenty three. You bring with you one word into the

1268
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 3: new year. What is your word?

1269
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 2: How are you shaping up twenty twenty three? Give it

1270
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 2: to me?

1271
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: Wow, that's another go one. These are the hard ones,

1272
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: you know. It's like when people are like, what's your

1273
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: favorite song? And you're like, can I give you four?

1274
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 1: And they're like, no, you can't. You can give me one.

1275
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: So I can carry one word. I know it definitely

1276
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: is which dates me. But I have so many pockets.

1277
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: I can bring more words into twenty twenty three, but

1278
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 1: I will. I'll probably say joy. You know, I think

1279
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: joy and I think joy takes I think I like

1280
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: joy because there's a verb form to it, which is rejoice,

1281
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: and I think that would probably be the combo that

1282
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: I'll bring joy in. And I'm a verbs guy, so

1283
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,959
Speaker 1: I'll turn it into kind of an action and it'll

1284
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 1: be rejoice, and that's I think I want to kind of.

1285
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: I think it takes some guts to rejoice because I

1286
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 1: think a lot of times you bring down the wattage

1287
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 1: of your bulb based on the people around you because

1288
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: you don't. It's like when you're on a plane and

1289
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: you want to read, but the people next to you

1290
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: are asleep, and you're like, I'm not going to turn

1291
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: that light on, but now you're robbing yourself of reading,

1292
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: and it's like, screw you turn the light on.

1293
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 4: You can read. You know, you're on a plane.

1294
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: And I think for me, that's like twenty twenty three

1295
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 1: is like it's I think it's infectious to rejoice about things,

1296
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: but I also think it's an opportunity maybe to let

1297
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 1: people know what they're doing brings me joy, which in

1298
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: turn hopefully brings them joy, and it's just like this

1299
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 1: cascade effect. And then maybe I don't know, maybe instead

1300
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: of it being like a thirty w year. It's like

1301
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: a one hundred wat year from all of this.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, but that's what I'm going to say.

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Speaker 1: Joy with the verb form of choice, maybe as being

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Speaker 1: my action item.

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01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 2: Coach Bennett says, turn the light on.

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01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 4: Turn your light on, turn your light out, turn enough

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01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 4: lights on. Then we can all read. You know what

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Speaker 4: I mean.

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Speaker 2: So it's all good and you can be yo dictionary too.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's right, bring your own dictionary. Look, it's a

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Speaker 1: great book. And not to end this on a dictionary note,

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Speaker 1: but the dictionary can be one of your great assistant coaches.

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01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 1: We use a lot of words, we don't really understand

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01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: the depth of what we're saying. There's a lot of

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01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 1: cool words out there. But it also gives a little

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01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 1: bit more meaning to what you're trying to say. So

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Speaker 1: get a dictionary, and a real one with like papers

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01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: and a cover and all that stuff.

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Speaker 4: Don't use your phone, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: And because it's also pompous, and anyone that sees you

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01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: with a dictionary, one they're gonna hate you, but two

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01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 1: they're going to also respect you, which is kind of cool.

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01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 1: It's this weird thing because who sits around reading a dictionary.

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01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 4: I mean, what a weird.

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Speaker 2: I'm so not even mad that we're ending here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't even know what I'm talking about at

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Speaker 4: this point.

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Speaker 3: So Bennett, how do the hurdlers, if they do not

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Speaker 3: yet follow you, keep up with you? How do they

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Speaker 3: follow along with you? Give us your details?

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm on Instagram, and if you're expecting like really

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Speaker 1: awesome pictures, they're The pictures are mediocre. But I write

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Speaker 1: a lot on Instagram. Yeah, I'm one of those people.

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Speaker 1: So if you're not a big you know, Instagram, you're

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Speaker 1: not going there for like some epic you know, tome,

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Speaker 1: then you don't follow me. But I'm on Instagram. That's

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Speaker 1: probably the main place I'm inside the NRC app, so

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Speaker 1: I will meet you at the starting line. All you

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Speaker 1: need to do is go to a guided run and

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Speaker 1: press start. And there are also there's a one minute run,

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Speaker 1: there's a one k run, there's a first run, there's

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Speaker 1: like we said, I don't want to run run, there's

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Speaker 1: a struggle run that just came out. Yeah, whatever whatever

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01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 1: you need. I mean, the runs are there for for

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01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 1: not anything more than just what the runner needs in

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01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 1: the moment. So if you're willing to meet me at

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Speaker 1: the starting line. I'll go for a run with you there.

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Speaker 1: But those are those are the main main places. And

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Speaker 1: I'm on hurdle, so I mean, like, you know, that's

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Speaker 1: you can meet me there too.

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Speaker 4: Just let you know. There was another one that we did,

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Speaker 4: so if you ever wanted to do this too, you're right.

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Speaker 2: This is Dan. If you want to get to know

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Speaker 2: Coach Bennett's wife.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's Coach Bennett the Greater. That's Tammy.

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Speaker 2: So she's on hurdle too.

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Speaker 4: She was on the hurdle and she's a show up society.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's but give me a little time first

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01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: because when you go to her, you're not going to

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01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 1: come back to me, So just give me a little

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Speaker 1: bit of love first and then you can bail.

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Speaker 3: I'm over at Emily a Body and at Hurdle Podcast

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Speaker 3: Another Hurdle Conquered.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And let me just also tell you thank you

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01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: for what you do because it means a lot and

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Speaker 1: it inspires people, I think more than you probably know.

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Speaker 4: So keep doing what you're doing.

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Speaker 2: Moddelds Man. We all need them.

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Speaker 4: Not the job description, but it's part of the job.

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Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time.