WEBVTT - Rick Wilson & Rep. Melanie Stansbury 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.120 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:11.119 today's best minds and Pete Buddha. Judge says, this is 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:15.640 clearly amateur hour at the Pentagon and in the White House, 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:18.279 we have such a great show for you today. The 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:23.360 Lincoln Project's own Rick Wilson joins us to discuss Tucker Paulison, 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:26.759 saying the CIA is coming for him. Then we'll talk 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:32.479 to congress wor Alman Melanie Stansberry about the investigation into 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:36.440 Ebstein's Zorro ranch. But first the news. 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:40.560 So, Molly, it is unbelievable how much the Trump administration 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:44.600 does something. They fuck it up. They convince his followers 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:47.360 that he solved the problem. This headline from the New 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:49.440 York Times. I literally, you know how when we say 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:52.120 I spit out my coffee, I literally spit out my coffee. 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:55.480 To address farm la versus shortage, Trump administration turns to 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:56.320 migrant workers. 0:00:56.680 --> 0:01:01.200 Yes, the great irony of Trump world is that Trump, 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:06.320 the man who is trying to end migration, actually desperately 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:10.000 needs migrants. By the way, this could have all been 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:13.240 seen coming a million miles away for years. The agricultural 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:17.600 sector has faced a tight labor market as farm workers age. 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:20.440 This is like jobs that Americans don't want to do, 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:23.080 picking strawberries. I feel like we've been doing this for 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:26.440 so long that we have had this conversation so many times. 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:30.640 Americans don't want to pick strawberries. It's hard, backbreaking labor. 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:35.640 People who are not from this country. Somehow we convince 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:39.000 them to do this. Here's the problem. Now they can't 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:42.039 come here, and they're scared to come and because Christie 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:45.240 Nome has spent two hundred and twenty million dollars making 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:49.520 little videos telling them to self deport and maybe taking 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:51.680 some of the money for herself. By the way, I 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:54.800 went through TSA this weekend, no Christie Nome photo. It 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:58.560 was amazing. Oh no, they took them down already, like 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:00.800 she's only been out for like four and there's no 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:04.720 cowboy hat, like please go through the You know, they. 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:07.600 Were probably worried that that's what was driving down the tourism. 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:11.359 Yeah, that'll do it, not the four hour lines. Our 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:15.120 country is like a banana republic. So yeah, there's nobody 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:18.240 to pick the fruit and we need them back. But 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:22.000 they don't want to come here because of ice, and 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:26.320 how terrifying it is. So as someone who carries her 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:30.079 passport around with her when she goes places. I don't 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:31.840 know what to tell you, but this seems bad. 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:32.480 Yeah. 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:35.839 Soby I was watching the Sunday shows and I see 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:38.840 a energy secretary, Chris Wright, make an appearance, and he says, 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:42.160 no guarantees gas prices will fall in weeks. And so 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:44.079 I took a walk up. I live on a corner 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:46.639 with a gas station. I walked up the buck I'd 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:49.480 gotten gas last week. Gas is up almost a dollar at. 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:49.960 That gas station. 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:54.680 Yeah, you know, Chris Right, I've rarely been so impressed 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:59.800 by a Trump cabinet secretary. My man is working for 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:02.760 the Democrats. Let's be honest here, Molly. Would you say 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:05.000 they don't bring us their best? I don't know, because 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:08.600 this is honestly, he's my favorite, But then again, I'm 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:13.920 a Democrat. So he said things that were absolutely like 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:16.880 if Trump doesn't like, send him to Gitmo. I don't 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:19.440 know what to tell you. He said there would be 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:21.960 a period of short term disruption. By the way, everyone 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:24.600 in Trump world has said that. Now this this is 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.600 a talking point, short term pain for long term gain. 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:30.160 What is the long term gain. The long term gain 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:33.480 is what that we have destroyed around a country that 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:35.560 none of us have ever been to and never will 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:38.640 go to. And that's a gain for us. How okay, 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:42.720 But here's the deal. He then admitted, or his Energy 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:47.360 Information Administration, his own department, admitted that they forecast that 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:50.680 gas will not get back to pre conflict levels before 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:53.680 the end of twenty twenty seven. So good news because 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:57.560 the Republicans are going into a midterm. Here's the problem. 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:01.400 Twenty percent of all oil and gas goes to the 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:06.280 straits of Homooth. So even if America is energy independent, 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:09.000 it does not mean that we will be selling ourselves 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:11.560 cheap gas because I don't know if you know this, 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:14.400 but in capitalism, they can sell the gas for as 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:17.520 much as they want. And so there is gas is 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:22.440 getting more expensive. Oil and gas entrepreneurs are making more money, 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:25.200 Oil and gas barons are making more money, which is 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:29.120 good news for Trump because you'll remember Trump got like 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:32.120 one hundred million dollars from those guys, and remember when 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:34.960 he was like, you know, you guys need me. But 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:38.919 gas prices are already up to three dollars and sixty 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:43.520 nine cents, up from two dollars and ninety seven cents 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:47.679 a month ago, and it's only going to get higher 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:52.480 because while this war is going on, the number of 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:56.400 barrels are being you know, we're having less and less 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:58.960 oil and we're going to have to catch up on 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:01.960 this oil that we're missing, and everything's going to get 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:05.679 we have a supply chain crisis, just like during COVID Mike. 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:10.120 There is another civil war inside maga is between Ken 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:13.280 Paxton and John Cornan, and Trump's being forced to choose 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:14.760 which one he's going to back. 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:18.359 Yeah, this is my favorite story ever. So basically, John 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:23.000 Cornyan Republicans have dumped millions of dollars into this primary. 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:27.880 John Cornan is the Republican senator from Texas. You know, 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:30.640 he's very popular in the Senate. But the problem is 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:34.760 he's not very trumpy. And this other guy, Ken Paxton 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:39.160 is like the AG has been Trump's cheerleader. He has 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:43.800 done everything Trump has wanted, like everything he fought against 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:48.120 the twenty twenty election results. He was impeached and fought 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:53.080 against removal and ended up staying as AG. He's a philanderer. 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:57.920 I mean, my man is just a truly trumpy politician. 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:02.880 And so the republiclkins, you know, in Republican world, they're like, 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:08.360 you gotta endorse Cornan because he's less insane, and normal 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:12.919 people who are not MAGA will not vote for Paxton 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:17.080 because any number of reasons. But here's the problem. Trump 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:21.800 can't because Paxton has that thing that Trump had when 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:25.200 normal Republicans tried to get rid of him. He's got 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:30.400 that thing right. I mean, Paxton way underspent Cornan and 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:34.520 Cornyn barely, you know, and now they'll go to a runoff. 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:36.600 So I think it's going to be really interesting. And 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:41.320 here's why it's interesting, because if Trump endorses Cornan, MAGA 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:44.880 will spoil with him. And already Paxton has said a 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.440 number of different things. But he said he wouldn't drop 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:50.400 out even if Trump didn't endorse him, And then he 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:53.200 said he would only drop out if they passed the 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:57.400 Save Act, which was like a pathetic pandering but also 0:06:57.560 --> 0:06:59.479 a way to try to get Cornan to apt to 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:02.680 say he supported the Stave Act, which Cornyan did, which 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.520 then like lost corn In quite a lot of credibility 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:08.000 because a lot of these senators really like the Philip 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:09.720 Wester don't want to get rid of it. It just 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:13.440 was like an amazing situation because Trump is really between 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:16.920 a rock and hard places. If he endorses Paxton, which 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:21.239 would make the most sense, then Paxton will very likely 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:24.280 win the primary anyway, but he may not win the 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:27.000 general because he's a complete lunatic. But if he endores 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:30.800 this cornan, I think there's a real chance that Paxton 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:34.080 stays in and still wins, which will make Trump. You know, 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:38.840 if Trump can't control MAGA, that's a big deal. I'll 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:41.160 be curious to see how this plays out. It's not 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:42.520 a good situation for Trump. 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:45.760 I agree. Speaking of not good situations for Trump, the 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:49.120 war in Iran not good. He has some thoughts to 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:51.480 mister Brian kill Meat about how he'll know when the 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:54.120 war is done that I think we should really listen to. 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:55.640 Yes, let's go. 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:57.640 And I had to take an excursion. 0:07:57.680 --> 0:07:59.360 We had the greatest economy in history. 0:07:59.400 --> 0:07:59.600 We do. 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:03.000 He'll do this will bounce right back when it's over, 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:05.240 And I don't think it's going to be low when 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:05.680 it's over. 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:08.080 This is good to bounce right back so fast. 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:10.760 When are you gonna know when it's over? When I 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:12.800 feel it, okay, feel it in my bones. 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:14.880 Will you ask anybody in particular would that be some 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:16.840 of these A joint decisions. 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:17.000 Deal with people. 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:19.960 I have great people, Yeah, I have General Raising Kine, 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:21.880 I have Pete, Pete shared out to be a star, 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:24.000 Marco's great JD. 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:25.320 I've got all good people. 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:26.960 I've got We've got a great group. 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:28.120 Got a great group, Molly. 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:33.240 I listened to that and I was like in his phones. 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:36.160 I mean, I understand that Trump is an autocrat, so 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:39.280 he's going to always say, you know, he doesn't want 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:41.360 to give up any parts of control. 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:41.640 Right. 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:46.640 He's like Godafi. He's a completely self contained There are 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:49.240 no checks and balances, there are no branches of the federal government. 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:52.080 There's just him, and he is Maga and magas him. 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:55.719 The problem is he just doesn't know what the she's 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:58.920 doing it, and he's way too embolden and there's no 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:02.160 one around him to tell. So he's going to know 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:04.800 the wars over when he fills it in his bones. 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:07.960 I don't know when that's going to be. I do 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:09.200 not think that will be soon. 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.480 This is like a worse moment than Mission accomplished in 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:12.960 my mind. 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:16.079 I mean mission accomplished. You know. Now we go into 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:20.720 this like cursed conversation of whether Bush is worse than Trump. 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.120 I mean, Trump is obviously worse than Bush, but like 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:26.640 Bush did get you know, quite a lot of Americans 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:29.599 are Rockies and all sorts of other people in the 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:32.080 Middle East got killed. So I don't know. But the 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.560 one thing I will say is that Bush did stop 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:37.400 playing golf, and Donald Trump does seem to still be 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:38.960 playing golf. So there is that. 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:41.800 Okay, Well, here's a way that Trump is much worse 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:45.960 than George Bush. Ever, was Brendan Carr is threatening broadcast 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:49.320 licenses for that coverage over the war in Iran. 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:53.080 Yeah, so Brendan Carr, this is his whole thing is 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:57.760 that he's really into threatening people, and he's really not 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:01.240 so into the First Amendment when these people call it 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:05.040 themselves free speech absolutists, Oh, because I am. 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:07.000 You're just vivid in my brain. You know. 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:09.839 His whole thing is he basically just like makes stuff 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:12.120 up and he's like, you can't do that. No, he 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:16.240 wants to take these licenses away. I think that, you know, 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:18.520 all of this stuff is you just have to push back. 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:20.640 If you don't push back, like just like Trump one 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:23.400 point zero, if you push back, you know, Jimmy Kimmel 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:26.400 is still on the air, right, But if you don't 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:29.280 push back, then Jimmy Kimmel will be off there. I mean, 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:31.960 this is it's not this is not rocket science. You 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:36.000 push back or you lose your freedoms and rights. And 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:39.480 you know, I want to point out that Brendan Carr 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:43.360 said broadcasters are running hoaxes and news distortions also known 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:46.000 as speaking news. They have a chance to course correct 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:49.080 before their license renewals come up. This is this other 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:52.960 thing too. They really want to car Trump World really 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:56.680 wants to intimidate corporations that want you know, there are 0:10:56.880 --> 0:11:02.320 so many of these ways in which Republicans and these 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:07.719 businesses are. They have conflicts of interest, they want regulatory approval, 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:10.320 and a lot we've seen a lot of media companies 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:13.480 cave just because they like think of Sherry Redstone, just 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:17.840 because they wanted regulatory approval. 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Rick Wilson is the founder of 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:54.000 the Lincoln Project. 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:56.560 Rick Wilson, Hey, Molly, how are you going? 0:12:57.320 --> 0:13:05.600 So Tucker Carlson believe that he is going to He 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:10.320 says that he is being h the I'm just going 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:12.319 to read the text above the. 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.560 Just just tweet because it because it does need somebody 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:16.960 to read it. So you hear how. 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:20.760 Yes, when you this is just what he tweeted, and 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:22.920 then we can talk about what he said. But I 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:26.319 think this is worthy. Uh when you discover the CIA 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:29.560 has been reading your texts in order to frame you 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:34.720 for a crime. Sure, uh is the first part of 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:38.680 the story, but basically, in a clip shared Saturday evening, 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:43.080 As One Does, Tucker Carlson says the CIA is preparing 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:46.480 some kind of criminal referral against him to the Justice 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:51.400 Department quote on the basis of a supposed crime. The 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:55.080 former Fox News host claims claimed investigators had read his 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:59.720 text messages and that the support the supposed probe relates 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:04.840 to talking to people in ran before the war. The 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:09.520 crime is a consideration apparently that would be under the 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:13.440 Foreign Agent Act or something like that. Acting is an 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:17.120 agent of a foreign power, He's said, Foreign. 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.640 Agent's Registration Act is what it's what it's uh, what 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:22.360 it's called. I'd just like to ask, Tucker, is the 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.200 CIA in the room with this now, Tucker? Are they 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:26.800 telling you to hurt yourself or others? 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:30.960 So, so there are questions here, right, Like this is 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:33.880 one of these stories where it's it's self reported, so 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:36.680 that could could mean any number. 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:39.000 Is our only source on this story, to be fair, right. 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:44.640 A single source story. Also, how he knows they've read 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:46.240 his texts. 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:48.960 You know, once again, I don't know if if, if 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:52.760 the CIA is telling him these things or what, but 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:57.960 you know he has he has a fairly pro Iran 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:01.280 position when it comes to this war, I would say, 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:03.120 and I don't want to say he's like, I'm not 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:06.920 saying he's cheerleading for the mullas to newke America. He 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:11.200 certainly is anti Trump's war in Iran, which, you know, 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:13.800 weirdly for the first time, and I don't know, a 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:15.680 decade puts Tucker and I sort of on the same 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:19.320 general paths, and I've done it feels weird and it 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:21.440 feels kind of dirty, and I don't feel good about it. 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:25.160 But but but but Molly, I mean, I think, I 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:28.000 think what you've got here is there are a handful 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:34.760 of these people, uh, Tucker, Jackson, Hinkle, sometimes Alex Joones, 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:37.920 some of these weirdos who get in bed with other 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:41.800 with with foreign countries, Doug McGregor, you know, these people 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.440 who seem to suddenly have mysterious access to our enemies 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:48.720 to describe their intentions and and and to describe their 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:51.720 side of these arguments over and over again. And I 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:55.960 think it is I think it is entirely possible that 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:58.320 Tucker has talked to these people. I don't know, we 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:01.400 don't know, we don't know what this entails yet, but 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:03.840 it couldn't happen to a nicer guy. 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.640 Well, so here's the thing. I mean, there have we've 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:11.800 definitely seen members of conservative media make money from foreign countries. 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:12.960 You'll remember that. 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:17.880 Thing, Benny Johnson, Benny Cool and Southern. 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:22.720 Do the husband of Megan McCain, Ben Dominic, maybe that. 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.920 Was that was the Malaysia deal, Ben Malaysia or Indonesia, 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:29.320 I remember Proprecia. I just threw a Zulander reference there 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:32.200 it was. I think it was Malaysia. Like suddenly, back 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:34.200 in the two thousands, a bunch of right wing waters 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:36.960 were like writing about what a great country Malaysia was. 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:42.280 The administration was so awesome. So look, being caught up 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:48.320 in the fairest stuff is a rookie mistake, right, And 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:51.080 and a lot of these guys who do politics in 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:56.080 other countries as I have done. If you're just working 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:58.160 in the other country, you don't have to register for Pharaoh, 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:00.680 but if you're becoming an advocate it for them in 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:02.120 this country, you do. 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:07.679 Right, And this was something we saw. Trump's guy got 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:12.120 involved in what's his name, the campaign manager in the 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:17.480 first Trump one point zero? Oh, Brad Parscal And yeah, Brad. 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:20.320 But also remember the guy where they had to sell 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:25.439 his Ostrich jacket Palm. Yeah, of course I remember the 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:26.600 jacket and not the name. 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:31.040 Paul Maniford is a full time if. Paul Manaford is 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:34.320 like a literary character almost in this country. He is 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.240 a guy who if there's a if the if it's 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:42.200 the scummiest, most dangerous, most anti American, most vile, most 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:45.760 most repressive regime in the world, and they walk through 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.000 Paul's office with a dollar bill hanging out of their 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:50.960 back pocket, He's going to work for him. He literally 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:55.960 works for Lukashinko, he works for he works for Orbon 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:59.320 as to a bunch of other Trump senior advisers right now, 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:01.280 by the way, they're all trying to get Orbon elected. 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:04.119 And I'm sure as as we go back to Tucker, 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:08.560 Tucker is also a huge fan of Orbon right, who's 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:09.600 going to lose by the way. 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:12.160 So here's the question. I think there are I think 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:14.600 we should parse this out because it's there's so many 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:19.440 issues here. There's the possibility that Tucker is acting as 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:22.720 a foreign agent. But then there's the other possibility that 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:26.880 they're going after media figures that they don't. 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:29.680 Like, absolutely correct, and I. 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:31.480 Think there's John Lemon. 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:37.800 I think there's a massive overlap between left and right 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:41.680 people that Trump is going after or as or as 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:44.359 directed as people to go after. And I don't think 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:49.040 it's happening in in equal intensity and sequence for all 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:51.560 of them. Right. You know, when when you've got Judge 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:55.080 box of Wine out on Friday screeching like a stuck 0:18:55.160 --> 0:19:00.600 hog about is that the court slap her down so 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:06.320 hard she lost her dentures. I mean Jerome Powell was 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:11.120 essentially the Court said this administration is harassing Jerome Powell. 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:14.240 They have to fucking stop and Judge box of Wine 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:19.280 has misread her role, powers and responsibilities. But they're going 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:21.639 to go after people they don't like. You saw Brendan 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:24.840 Carr over the weekend saying, oh, well, we're going to 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:28.320 go after networks that don't cover the war like we 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:30.480 want them to cover it. Yeah, well that and how 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:33.200 this shit works, boss. But here we are. 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:37.240 So there's just a number of different of different possible 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:40.080 bad results here, I think. 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:42.760 You know, and look, here's the thing. I think. Tucker 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:46.760 Carlson is a guy who has submerged himself into the 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:49.520 most vile parts of the alt right, you know, white 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:52.919 replacement bullshit world. But honestly, I don't want this administration 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:57.080 using the power of the government to silent speech that 0:19:57.119 --> 0:20:01.159 they don't like, because that doesn't stop with Tucker. It 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:03.400 ends with you and me. It ends with a whole 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:06.920 bunch of other people. And you have seen this repeatedly 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:10.480 across the spectrum, Trump saying that he's going to sue 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:13.160 people like Maggie Haberman. This week he went after Maggie 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:15.639 again because that's a love hate kind of thing that 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:18.399 he's got in his head for years, call her maggot. 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:21.119 So you're gonna sue her for defamation, you know. And 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:24.119 you've got You've got Pete Heggstath not wanting to be 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:26.800 covered by the press because he doesn't think they make 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:29.560 him look good enough in his photographs. This is an 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:32.040 administration and you have Brendan Carr threatening networks that don't 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:34.840 cover stories the way they want them covered. This is 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:38.159 an administration that has a very thin skin. Yeah, and 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:41.199 so it wouldn't shock me if they tried to make 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:42.159 an example out. 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:45.560 Of Tucker, right. And then the other point. I think 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:50.399 the other point here is that Tucker is a real 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:56.880 is a real adversary of Trump. Right. He pushes at Trump, 0:20:56.960 --> 0:20:59.800 he would like to be the heir parent to Trump. 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:10.280 Discuss Tucker represents the future of the gop MAGA movement, 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:13.720 and a lot of people go, oh, no, that's impossible. 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:15.800 It's got to be Trump, or it's some Trump designee, 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:19.240 or it's going to be Marco or I disagree. I 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:23.199 think that Tucker Carlson has a has a resonance with 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:27.800 the growing number of eighteen to forty year old Republican 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:31.000 men who have grown up in the Joe Rogan Tucker 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:34.960 Carlson podcast verse who are into this alt right thing, 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:37.800 whether they whether they say it that way or not, 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:41.480 some of them and they range from I don't like 0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:43.639 women telling me what to do. I hate the woke, 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:48.959 so that Hitler wasn't such a bad fellow, Yeah, you know, 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:52.760 and I think Tucker has a lot of power with 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:56.680 those people, and I think if he does decide to 0:21:56.760 --> 0:22:01.560 run for president, it would threat it would be something 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:04.159 in a primary that would drive the rest of the 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:05.920 MAGA GOP further to the right. 0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:07.000 Yeah. 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:08.720 I don't even want to say right anymore. It's just 0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:14.240 like sane versus insane, but further crazy. And I think 0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:17.840 I think it would. It would be in some ways, 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:22.199 like twenty and fifteen and sixteen, you had a flock 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:26.159 of respectable Republican candidates who were all very talented at 0:22:26.200 --> 0:22:28.600 what they were doing. A lot of smart guys in 0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:31.359 that list, and Trump came in as the big disruptor 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:33.840 and blew them all away. I think you could end up, 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:37.159 Oh there's JD. Vance. Oh there's there's Josh Hawley. Oh 0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:40.200