Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,
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Speaker 2: So, Molly, it is unbelievable how much the Trump administration
Speaker 2: does something. They fuck it up. They convince his followers
Speaker 2: that he solved the problem. This headline from the New
Speaker 2: York Times. I literally, you know how when we say
Speaker 2: I spit out my coffee, I literally spit out my coffee.
Speaker 2: To address farm la versus shortage, Trump administration turns to
Speaker 2: migrant workers.
Speaker 1: Yes, the great irony of Trump world is that Trump,
Speaker 1: the man who is trying to end migration, actually desperately
Speaker 1: needs migrants. By the way, this could have all been
Speaker 1: seen coming a million miles away for years. The agricultural
Speaker 1: sector has faced a tight labor market as farm workers age.
Speaker 1: This is like jobs that Americans don't want to do,
Speaker 1: picking strawberries. I feel like we've been doing this for
Speaker 1: so long that we have had this conversation so many times.
Speaker 1: Americans don't want to pick strawberries. It's hard, backbreaking labor.
Speaker 1: People who are not from this country. Somehow we convince
Speaker 1: them to do this. Here's the problem. Now they can't
Speaker 1: come here, and they're scared to come and because Christie
Speaker 1: Nome has spent two hundred and twenty million dollars making
Speaker 1: little videos telling them to self deport and maybe taking
Speaker 1: some of the money for herself. By the way, I
Speaker 1: went through TSA this weekend, no Christie Nome photo. It
Speaker 1: was amazing. Oh no, they took them down already, like
Speaker 1: she's only been out for like four and there's no
Speaker 1: cowboy hat, like please go through the You know, they.
Speaker 2: Were probably worried that that's what was driving down the tourism.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll do it, not the four hour lines. Our
Speaker 1: country is like a banana republic. So yeah, there's nobody
Speaker 1: to pick the fruit and we need them back. But
Speaker 1: they don't want to come here because of ice, and
Speaker 1: how terrifying it is. So as someone who carries her
Speaker 1: passport around with her when she goes places. I don't
Speaker 1: know what to tell you, but this seems bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Soby I was watching the Sunday shows and I see
Speaker 2: a energy secretary, Chris Wright, make an appearance, and he says,
Speaker 2: no guarantees gas prices will fall in weeks. And so
Speaker 2: I took a walk up. I live on a corner
Speaker 2: with a gas station. I walked up the buck I'd
Speaker 2: gotten gas last week. Gas is up almost a dollar at.
Speaker 3: That gas station.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Chris Right, I've rarely been so impressed
Speaker 1: by a Trump cabinet secretary. My man is working for
Speaker 1: the Democrats. Let's be honest here, Molly. Would you say
Speaker 1: they don't bring us their best? I don't know, because
Speaker 1: this is honestly, he's my favorite, But then again, I'm
Speaker 1: a Democrat. So he said things that were absolutely like
Speaker 1: if Trump doesn't like, send him to Gitmo. I don't
Speaker 1: know what to tell you. He said there would be
Speaker 1: a period of short term disruption. By the way, everyone
Speaker 1: in Trump world has said that. Now this this is
Speaker 1: a talking point, short term pain for long term gain.
Speaker 1: What is the long term gain. The long term gain
Speaker 1: is what that we have destroyed around a country that
Speaker 1: none of us have ever been to and never will
Speaker 1: go to. And that's a gain for us. How okay,
Speaker 1: But here's the deal. He then admitted, or his Energy
Speaker 1: Information Administration, his own department, admitted that they forecast that
Speaker 1: gas will not get back to pre conflict levels before
Speaker 1: the end of twenty twenty seven. So good news because
Speaker 1: the Republicans are going into a midterm. Here's the problem.
Speaker 1: Twenty percent of all oil and gas goes to the
Speaker 1: straits of Homooth. So even if America is energy independent,
Speaker 1: it does not mean that we will be selling ourselves
Speaker 1: cheap gas because I don't know if you know this,
Speaker 1: but in capitalism, they can sell the gas for as
Speaker 1: much as they want. And so there is gas is
Speaker 1: getting more expensive. Oil and gas entrepreneurs are making more money,
Speaker 1: Oil and gas barons are making more money, which is
Speaker 1: good news for Trump because you'll remember Trump got like
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars from those guys, and remember when
Speaker 1: he was like, you know, you guys need me. But
Speaker 1: gas prices are already up to three dollars and sixty
Speaker 1: nine cents, up from two dollars and ninety seven cents
Speaker 1: a month ago, and it's only going to get higher
Speaker 1: because while this war is going on, the number of
Speaker 1: barrels are being you know, we're having less and less
Speaker 1: oil and we're going to have to catch up on
Speaker 1: this oil that we're missing, and everything's going to get
Speaker 1: we have a supply chain crisis, just like during COVID Mike.
Speaker 2: There is another civil war inside maga is between Ken
Speaker 2: Paxton and John Cornan, and Trump's being forced to choose
Speaker 2: which one he's going to back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is my favorite story ever. So basically, John
Speaker 1: Cornyan Republicans have dumped millions of dollars into this primary.
Speaker 1: John Cornan is the Republican senator from Texas. You know,
Speaker 1: he's very popular in the Senate. But the problem is
Speaker 1: he's not very trumpy. And this other guy, Ken Paxton
Speaker 1: is like the AG has been Trump's cheerleader. He has
Speaker 1: done everything Trump has wanted, like everything he fought against
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty election results. He was impeached and fought
Speaker 1: against removal and ended up staying as AG. He's a philanderer.
Speaker 1: I mean, my man is just a truly trumpy politician.
Speaker 1: And so the republiclkins, you know, in Republican world, they're like,
Speaker 1: you gotta endorse Cornan because he's less insane, and normal
Speaker 1: people who are not MAGA will not vote for Paxton
Speaker 1: because any number of reasons. But here's the problem. Trump
Speaker 1: can't because Paxton has that thing that Trump had when
Speaker 1: normal Republicans tried to get rid of him. He's got
Speaker 1: that thing right. I mean, Paxton way underspent Cornan and
Speaker 1: Cornyn barely, you know, and now they'll go to a runoff.
Speaker 1: So I think it's going to be really interesting. And
Speaker 1: here's why it's interesting, because if Trump endorses Cornan, MAGA
Speaker 1: will spoil with him. And already Paxton has said a
Speaker 1: number of different things. But he said he wouldn't drop
Speaker 1: out even if Trump didn't endorse him, And then he
Speaker 1: said he would only drop out if they passed the
Speaker 1: Save Act, which was like a pathetic pandering but also
Speaker 1: a way to try to get Cornan to apt to
Speaker 1: say he supported the Stave Act, which Cornyan did, which
Speaker 1: then like lost corn In quite a lot of credibility
Speaker 1: because a lot of these senators really like the Philip
Speaker 1: Wester don't want to get rid of it. It just
Speaker 1: was like an amazing situation because Trump is really between
Speaker 1: a rock and hard places. If he endorses Paxton, which
Speaker 1: would make the most sense, then Paxton will very likely
Speaker 1: win the primary anyway, but he may not win the
Speaker 1: general because he's a complete lunatic. But if he endores
Speaker 1: this cornan, I think there's a real chance that Paxton
Speaker 1: stays in and still wins, which will make Trump. You know,
Speaker 1: if Trump can't control MAGA, that's a big deal. I'll
Speaker 1: be curious to see how this plays out. It's not
Speaker 1: a good situation for Trump.
Speaker 2: I agree. Speaking of not good situations for Trump, the
Speaker 2: war in Iran not good. He has some thoughts to
Speaker 2: mister Brian kill Meat about how he'll know when the
Speaker 2: war is done that I think we should really listen to.
Speaker 1: Yes, let's go.
Speaker 4: And I had to take an excursion.
Speaker 3: We had the greatest economy in history.
Speaker 4: We do.
Speaker 3: He'll do this will bounce right back when it's over,
Speaker 3: And I don't think it's going to be low when
Speaker 3: it's over.
Speaker 2: This is good to bounce right back so fast.
Speaker 3: When are you gonna know when it's over? When I
Speaker 3: feel it, okay, feel it in my bones.
Speaker 1: Will you ask anybody in particular would that be some
Speaker 1: of these A joint decisions.
Speaker 3: Deal with people.
Speaker 1: I have great people, Yeah, I have General Raising Kine,
Speaker 1: I have Pete, Pete shared out to be a star,
Speaker 1: Marco's great JD.
Speaker 5: I've got all good people.
Speaker 1: I've got We've got a great group.
Speaker 2: Got a great group, Molly.
Speaker 1: I listened to that and I was like in his phones.
Speaker 1: I mean, I understand that Trump is an autocrat, so
Speaker 1: he's going to always say, you know, he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to give up any parts of control.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: He's like Godafi. He's a completely self contained There are
Speaker 1: no checks and balances, there are no branches of the federal government.
Speaker 1: There's just him, and he is Maga and magas him.
Speaker 1: The problem is he just doesn't know what the she's
Speaker 1: doing it, and he's way too embolden and there's no
Speaker 1: one around him to tell. So he's going to know
Speaker 1: the wars over when he fills it in his bones.
Speaker 1: I don't know when that's going to be. I do
Speaker 1: not think that will be soon.
Speaker 2: This is like a worse moment than Mission accomplished in
Speaker 2: my mind.
Speaker 1: I mean mission accomplished. You know. Now we go into
Speaker 1: this like cursed conversation of whether Bush is worse than Trump.
Speaker 1: I mean, Trump is obviously worse than Bush, but like
Speaker 1: Bush did get you know, quite a lot of Americans
Speaker 1: are Rockies and all sorts of other people in the
Speaker 1: Middle East got killed. So I don't know. But the
Speaker 1: one thing I will say is that Bush did stop
Speaker 1: playing golf, and Donald Trump does seem to still be
Speaker 1: playing golf. So there is that.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, here's a way that Trump is much worse
Speaker 2: than George Bush. Ever, was Brendan Carr is threatening broadcast
Speaker 2: licenses for that coverage over the war in Iran.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Brendan Carr, this is his whole thing is
Speaker 1: that he's really into threatening people, and he's really not
Speaker 1: so into the First Amendment when these people call it
Speaker 1: themselves free speech absolutists, Oh, because I am.
Speaker 3: You're just vivid in my brain. You know.
Speaker 1: His whole thing is he basically just like makes stuff
Speaker 1: up and he's like, you can't do that. No, he
Speaker 1: wants to take these licenses away. I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: all of this stuff is you just have to push back.
Speaker 1: If you don't push back, like just like Trump one
Speaker 1: point zero, if you push back, you know, Jimmy Kimmel
Speaker 1: is still on the air, right, But if you don't
Speaker 1: push back, then Jimmy Kimmel will be off there. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is it's not this is not rocket science. You
Speaker 1: push back or you lose your freedoms and rights. And
Speaker 1: you know, I want to point out that Brendan Carr
Speaker 1: said broadcasters are running hoaxes and news distortions also known
Speaker 1: as speaking news. They have a chance to course correct
Speaker 1: before their license renewals come up. This is this other
Speaker 1: thing too. They really want to car Trump World really
Speaker 1: wants to intimidate corporations that want you know, there are
Speaker 1: so many of these ways in which Republicans and these
Speaker 1: businesses are. They have conflicts of interest, they want regulatory approval,
Speaker 1: and a lot we've seen a lot of media companies
Speaker 1: cave just because they like think of Sherry Redstone, just
Speaker 1: because they wanted regulatory approval. So I think Brendan Carr
Speaker 1: hopes that he can get.
Speaker 5: More to cave that way, which is sort of so
Speaker 5: it's sort of like capitalism authoritarianism, right, It's authoritarianism with
Speaker 5: like capitalist impulses like you want to make this murders
Speaker 5: and that is how we got here.
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Speaker 1: So Tucker Carlson believe that he is going to He
Speaker 1: says that he is being h the I'm just going
Speaker 1: to read the text above the.
Speaker 3: Just just tweet because it because it does need somebody
Speaker 3: to read it. So you hear how.
Speaker 1: Yes, when you this is just what he tweeted, and
Speaker 1: then we can talk about what he said. But I
Speaker 1: think this is worthy. Uh when you discover the CIA
Speaker 1: has been reading your texts in order to frame you
Speaker 1: for a crime. Sure, uh is the first part of
Speaker 1: the story, but basically, in a clip shared Saturday evening,
Speaker 1: As One Does, Tucker Carlson says the CIA is preparing
Speaker 1: some kind of criminal referral against him to the Justice
Speaker 1: Department quote on the basis of a supposed crime. The
Speaker 1: former Fox News host claims claimed investigators had read his
Speaker 1: text messages and that the support the supposed probe relates
Speaker 1: to talking to people in ran before the war. The
Speaker 1: crime is a consideration apparently that would be under the
Speaker 1: Foreign Agent Act or something like that. Acting is an
Speaker 1: agent of a foreign power, He's said, Foreign.
Speaker 3: Agent's Registration Act is what it's what it's uh, what
Speaker 3: it's called. I'd just like to ask, Tucker, is the
Speaker 3: CIA in the room with this now, Tucker? Are they
Speaker 3: telling you to hurt yourself or others?
Speaker 1: So, so there are questions here, right, Like this is
Speaker 1: one of these stories where it's it's self reported, so
Speaker 1: that could could mean any number.
Speaker 3: Is our only source on this story, to be fair, right.
Speaker 1: A single source story. Also, how he knows they've read
Speaker 1: his texts.
Speaker 3: You know, once again, I don't know if if, if
Speaker 3: the CIA is telling him these things or what, but
Speaker 3: you know he has he has a fairly pro Iran
Speaker 3: position when it comes to this war, I would say,
Speaker 3: and I don't want to say he's like, I'm not
Speaker 3: saying he's cheerleading for the mullas to newke America. He
Speaker 3: certainly is anti Trump's war in Iran, which, you know,
Speaker 3: weirdly for the first time, and I don't know, a
Speaker 3: decade puts Tucker and I sort of on the same
Speaker 3: general paths, and I've done it feels weird and it
Speaker 3: feels kind of dirty, and I don't feel good about it.
Speaker 3: But but but but Molly, I mean, I think, I
Speaker 3: think what you've got here is there are a handful
Speaker 3: of these people, uh, Tucker, Jackson, Hinkle, sometimes Alex Joones,
Speaker 3: some of these weirdos who get in bed with other
Speaker 3: with with foreign countries, Doug McGregor, you know, these people
Speaker 3: who seem to suddenly have mysterious access to our enemies
Speaker 3: to describe their intentions and and and to describe their
Speaker 3: side of these arguments over and over again. And I
Speaker 3: think it is I think it is entirely possible that
Speaker 3: Tucker has talked to these people. I don't know, we
Speaker 3: don't know, we don't know what this entails yet, but
Speaker 3: it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
Speaker 1: Well, so here's the thing. I mean, there have we've
Speaker 1: definitely seen members of conservative media make money from foreign countries.
Speaker 1: You'll remember that.
Speaker 3: Thing, Benny Johnson, Benny Cool and Southern.
Speaker 1: Do the husband of Megan McCain, Ben Dominic, maybe that.
Speaker 3: Was that was the Malaysia deal, Ben Malaysia or Indonesia,
Speaker 3: I remember Proprecia. I just threw a Zulander reference there
Speaker 3: it was. I think it was Malaysia. Like suddenly, back
Speaker 3: in the two thousands, a bunch of right wing waters
Speaker 3: were like writing about what a great country Malaysia was.
Speaker 3: The administration was so awesome. So look, being caught up
Speaker 3: in the fairest stuff is a rookie mistake, right, And
Speaker 3: and a lot of these guys who do politics in
Speaker 3: other countries as I have done. If you're just working
Speaker 3: in the other country, you don't have to register for Pharaoh,
Speaker 3: but if you're becoming an advocate it for them in
Speaker 3: this country, you do.
Speaker 1: Right, And this was something we saw. Trump's guy got
Speaker 1: involved in what's his name, the campaign manager in the
Speaker 1: first Trump one point zero? Oh, Brad Parscal And yeah, Brad.
Speaker 1: But also remember the guy where they had to sell
Speaker 1: his Ostrich jacket Palm. Yeah, of course I remember the
Speaker 1: jacket and not the name.
Speaker 3: Paul Maniford is a full time if. Paul Manaford is
Speaker 3: like a literary character almost in this country. He is
Speaker 3: a guy who if there's a if the if it's
Speaker 3: the scummiest, most dangerous, most anti American, most vile, most
Speaker 3: most repressive regime in the world, and they walk through
Speaker 3: Paul's office with a dollar bill hanging out of their
Speaker 3: back pocket, He's going to work for him. He literally
Speaker 3: works for Lukashinko, he works for he works for Orbon
Speaker 3: as to a bunch of other Trump senior advisers right now,
Speaker 3: by the way, they're all trying to get Orbon elected.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure as as we go back to Tucker,
Speaker 3: Tucker is also a huge fan of Orbon right, who's
Speaker 3: going to lose by the way.
Speaker 1: So here's the question. I think there are I think
Speaker 1: we should parse this out because it's there's so many
Speaker 1: issues here. There's the possibility that Tucker is acting as
Speaker 1: a foreign agent. But then there's the other possibility that
Speaker 1: they're going after media figures that they don't.
Speaker 3: Like, absolutely correct, and I.
Speaker 1: Think there's John Lemon.
Speaker 3: I think there's a massive overlap between left and right
Speaker 3: people that Trump is going after or as or as
Speaker 3: directed as people to go after. And I don't think
Speaker 3: it's happening in in equal intensity and sequence for all
Speaker 3: of them. Right. You know, when when you've got Judge
Speaker 3: box of Wine out on Friday screeching like a stuck
Speaker 3: hog about is that the court slap her down so
Speaker 3: hard she lost her dentures. I mean Jerome Powell was
Speaker 3: essentially the Court said this administration is harassing Jerome Powell.
Speaker 3: They have to fucking stop and Judge box of Wine
Speaker 3: has misread her role, powers and responsibilities. But they're going
Speaker 3: to go after people they don't like. You saw Brendan
Speaker 3: Carr over the weekend saying, oh, well, we're going to
Speaker 3: go after networks that don't cover the war like we
Speaker 3: want them to cover it. Yeah, well that and how
Speaker 3: this shit works, boss. But here we are.
Speaker 1: So there's just a number of different of different possible
Speaker 1: bad results here, I think.
Speaker 3: You know, and look, here's the thing. I think. Tucker
Speaker 3: Carlson is a guy who has submerged himself into the
Speaker 3: most vile parts of the alt right, you know, white
Speaker 3: replacement bullshit world. But honestly, I don't want this administration
Speaker 3: using the power of the government to silent speech that
Speaker 3: they don't like, because that doesn't stop with Tucker. It
Speaker 3: ends with you and me. It ends with a whole
Speaker 3: bunch of other people. And you have seen this repeatedly
Speaker 3: across the spectrum, Trump saying that he's going to sue
Speaker 3: people like Maggie Haberman. This week he went after Maggie
Speaker 3: again because that's a love hate kind of thing that
Speaker 3: he's got in his head for years, call her maggot.
Speaker 3: So you're gonna sue her for defamation, you know. And
Speaker 3: you've got You've got Pete Heggstath not wanting to be
Speaker 3: covered by the press because he doesn't think they make
Speaker 3: him look good enough in his photographs. This is an
Speaker 3: administration and you have Brendan Carr threatening networks that don't
Speaker 3: cover stories the way they want them covered. This is
Speaker 3: an administration that has a very thin skin. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: so it wouldn't shock me if they tried to make
Speaker 3: an example out.
Speaker 1: Of Tucker, right. And then the other point. I think
Speaker 1: the other point here is that Tucker is a real
Speaker 1: is a real adversary of Trump. Right. He pushes at Trump,
Speaker 1: he would like to be the heir parent to Trump.
Speaker 3: Discuss Tucker represents the future of the gop MAGA movement,
Speaker 3: and a lot of people go, oh, no, that's impossible.
Speaker 3: It's got to be Trump, or it's some Trump designee,
Speaker 3: or it's going to be Marco or I disagree. I
Speaker 3: think that Tucker Carlson has a has a resonance with
Speaker 3: the growing number of eighteen to forty year old Republican
Speaker 3: men who have grown up in the Joe Rogan Tucker
Speaker 3: Carlson podcast verse who are into this alt right thing,
Speaker 3: whether they whether they say it that way or not,
Speaker 3: some of them and they range from I don't like
Speaker 3: women telling me what to do. I hate the woke,
Speaker 3: so that Hitler wasn't such a bad fellow, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: and I think Tucker has a lot of power with
Speaker 3: those people, and I think if he does decide to
Speaker 3: run for president, it would threat it would be something
Speaker 3: in a primary that would drive the rest of the
Speaker 3: MAGA GOP further to the right.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't even want to say right anymore. It's just
Speaker 3: like sane versus insane, but further crazy. And I think
Speaker 3: I think it would. It would be in some ways,
Speaker 3: like twenty and fifteen and sixteen, you had a flock
Speaker 3: of respectable Republican candidates who were all very talented at
Speaker 3: what they were doing. A lot of smart guys in
Speaker 3: that list, and Trump came in as the big disruptor
Speaker 3: and blew them all away. I think you could end up,
Speaker 3: Oh there's JD. Vance. Oh there's there's Josh Hawley. Oh
Speaker 3: there's Marco Rubio. Oh there's Ted Cruz. And you could
Speaker 3: end up with a Tucker coming in and saying here's
Speaker 3: a grenade and stepping out of the room.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Doesn't Tucker and JD Vance pull from the same group, really, JD.
Speaker 3: I think JD Vance is a declining stock right now.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Jdvan. That's a wonderful, wonderful thought. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about JD. Vance and the war and Iran, because
Speaker 1: it feels like he will defend anything. He will defend
Speaker 1: like forty year olds doing a Nazi group chat. But
Speaker 1: he seems like he's not defending this.
Speaker 3: You know that we've seen two stories leak now that
Speaker 3: Vance was had had different views on the conduct of
Speaker 3: the war from the beginning. He had given me the
Speaker 3: subtle shit you've ever seen. Okay, And it goes back
Speaker 3: to a rule that Karl Rove said one time way
Speaker 3: back in the day, and it was that bad white
Speaker 3: houses just leak. Good white houses leak on purpose. Jade
Speaker 3: Vance is in a bad white house. It's leaking crazily.
Speaker 3: Everybody's everybody's trying to get daylight, including the Joint chiefs
Speaker 3: of Staff, including the professional military commanders in the theater.
Speaker 3: Everybody's trying to get daylight on Trump and Hegsteth right now,
Speaker 3: and Rubio and even Ruby. I was trying to get
Speaker 3: some daylight on all this stuff because trying to change
Speaker 3: the subject to Cuba and move on from a wrong
Speaker 3: which ain't gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Amazing.
Speaker 3: So I think you're in a weird box right now
Speaker 3: where Vance recognizes that a big part of his potential
Speaker 3: coalition in twenty twenty eight are isolationists or they are
Speaker 3: in that weird Eldridge Colby pro China thing. Right, I
Speaker 3: don't know, he is square that fricking circle. And and
Speaker 3: so I think that there's a weird, a weird Vancian
Speaker 3: headspace that he's got, Like I can talk my way
Speaker 3: out of this. I can pretend I was the smart
Speaker 3: guy and the sane guy in the room and let
Speaker 3: Trump take the beating on this. In the future. I
Speaker 3: can say I can use this can. He's also thinking
Speaker 3: I can use this to cock block Hegseth and Marco
Speaker 3: from power on foreign policy matters.
Speaker 4: Us.
Speaker 3: I don't have a team of rivals people. This is
Speaker 3: a team of wild rabbid weasels in a garbage can fighting.
Speaker 1: The speaking of which I would love to talk about.
Speaker 1: Why this crew is such a disaster, Because like people
Speaker 1: are waiting for the oil markets to owe a good book.
Speaker 1: Yes there's been this weekend, there was like two hundred
Speaker 1: dollars a barrel oil batted around. You know, the streets
Speaker 1: of Permouth are basically ostensibly closed unless you're Chinese Chinese ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're doing yeah, so it does strike me. And Trump's
Speaker 1: big solution was to end sanctions on Russian oil.
Speaker 3: And I actually, by the way, I don't know if
Speaker 3: Russia exists right now because in the streets of Moscow,
Speaker 3: right there's no Internet. And apparently before we came on
Speaker 3: the show, I saw something in the Financial Times like
Speaker 3: there have been troops deployed now in Moscow in the
Speaker 3: Ring Road areas. Wait, miss cooking, and it's probably not good.
Speaker 1: My favorite part of this whole story, I'm telling you
Speaker 1: is that I watched a Goldman Sachs analyst like melt
Speaker 1: down about the oil situation.
Speaker 3: I saw him the other day and I got to
Speaker 3: tell you, I asked somebody about him. I'm like, is
Speaker 3: this guy like legiting is because oh no, no, that guy
Speaker 3: is probably the most knowledgeable person in the world about
Speaker 3: oil markets and oil Futureskay.
Speaker 1: You can only do two million barrels a day? You
Speaker 1: see him just like sweat.
Speaker 3: It's like the math, the math of it is so
Speaker 3: fucking brutal.
Speaker 1: Right, he said it's gonna take two hundred days to
Speaker 1: get back online, and well that's.
Speaker 3: Just a round election time, Molly, Yeah, I mean it
Speaker 3: just the American people love nothing more than paying their
Speaker 3: Trump gas tax.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a summer phil with six dollars seven dollars gasoline.
Speaker 1: People are gonna it's gonna be like being It's actually
Speaker 1: going to be like being in Europe.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and those and those summer plane rides, y'all
Speaker 3: were thinking about taking those tickets that are one thousand
Speaker 3: dollars now are going to be thirty five hundred.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's just an incredible, incredible way to run a country.
Speaker 3: And all this crap molly about like, oh, we're gonna
Speaker 3: find ways to bring the oil price down. We're going
Speaker 3: to talk to the producers here in America. We're going
Speaker 3: to do this, make them do that. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 3: that's all find and good congrats, But did you did
Speaker 3: you ever think that you might want to not start
Speaker 3: a war, that you didn't have a plan to keep
Speaker 3: the straits open without.
Speaker 4: Something?
Speaker 1: But imagine if Harris had been like, you know, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have price controls on oil, like, we're not going
Speaker 1: to go for this capitalism streamed.
Speaker 3: It's full communism, I mean.
Speaker 1: But also they the reporting this weekend, three weeks into
Speaker 1: the war, that nobody knows why we're fighting Uh. My
Speaker 1: favorite part of the story is like they had no
Speaker 1: plans for the Straits, and everyone said, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: this problem with the Straits and removes everyone for every
Speaker 1: you know, everyone, anyone who's ever read the economists said this,
Speaker 1: and then they had no plan.
Speaker 3: I can tell you something I know from experience. You
Speaker 3: can look from UEE across the Strait, not a clear day,
Speaker 3: and it's often it's often hazy, but you can see
Speaker 3: across it. That is not an area that you easily
Speaker 3: that you have a lot of running room, because the
Speaker 3: only thing that it takes to put one of those
Speaker 3: five hundred dollars sea mines that can blow up a
Speaker 3: billion dollar ship is some asshole on a jet ski
Speaker 3: or a speedboat runs out and dumps it in the water.
Speaker 3: And believe me, they're gonna have a lot of assholes
Speaker 3: willing to go out and dump mines in the in
Speaker 3: the in the in the in the Strait, because that
Speaker 3: is Iran's power. Now. Now, of course, we've also got
Speaker 3: a marine unit going from Asia over there, and nine
Speaker 3: days from now they will arrive, and apparently Trump wants
Speaker 3: them to take over carg Island, as I call it
Speaker 3: Hot Greenland.
Speaker 1: Okay, so explain.
Speaker 3: It is the main oil terminal in for Iran. It's
Speaker 3: in the Northern Persian Gulf. It is a about ten
Speaker 3: thousand people lived there, flown over it before. It's a
Speaker 3: it's a big oil tank facility. They pipe oil out
Speaker 3: to it to these big, big storage units, big storage drums,
Speaker 3: and then that gets loaded onto tankers. Tankers then move
Speaker 3: from there. Like ninety percent of Iran's oil goes through
Speaker 3: carg Island. That's their central oil terminal. It would be
Speaker 3: like Houston for US. Okay, it's very important. Trump it
Speaker 3: seems to think he's going to take it and and
Speaker 3: then make Iran surrender. I guess I think this is
Speaker 3: a recipe for two thousand marines to get trapped on
Speaker 3: an island, to get murdered by cruise missiles. Because if
Speaker 3: you if you're telling Iran we're going to destroy your
Speaker 3: regime or or unless you surrender, will destroy your oil,
Speaker 3: trauma will be like, oh, you're going to kill us anyway,
Speaker 3: so why not? Yeah, and death more than we love life.
Speaker 1: And that gets us to the real worry that I
Speaker 1: think everyone has here is does this become a ground war?
Speaker 3: Look, Molly, if it does become a ground war. And
Speaker 3: I said this from the beginning. I said, this is
Speaker 3: the first time we talked about this. Iran cannot beat
Speaker 3: us in the air, and they cannot beat us on
Speaker 3: the sea, but that we can't beat them on the ground.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's a humongous country, for like.
Speaker 3: Ninety million people in a country the size of Texas, Folks, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it is. It is going to make f Gghanistan look
Speaker 3: like a cakewalk.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And and remember in Iran, they are the religious fanaticism
Speaker 3: of the regime is built into the culture top to bottom.
Speaker 3: Not everybody wants to live in that world, but but
Speaker 3: millions and millions and millions of Imagine if you went
Speaker 3: to if somebody invaded America and they're like, we love
Speaker 3: everybody except the MAGA voters. What do you think the
Speaker 3: MAGA voters would do. They would find like tooth and
Speaker 3: nail to survive. Yeah. And the Iranian version of MAGA
Speaker 3: are the moahs and the terrorists, and they are going
Speaker 3: to fight like hell to survive. They're gonna do whatever
Speaker 3: they can. And as military planners always say, they get
Speaker 3: a vote.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is a.
Speaker 3: Ground war is a bad, bad, bad bad super bad, bad,
Speaker 3: bad bad idea. And I'm saying this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I know. Well, I mean the best moment
Speaker 1: of the whole weekend is John Bolton being like, whoa right?
Speaker 1: Like is all he's ever wanted this? He was paid
Speaker 1: by the Shaws people. Yeah, and he's like, oh, I
Speaker 1: don't know, It's.
Speaker 3: Like maybe we ought to walk this one a little
Speaker 3: slower there, Chief, What do you think? Yeah? And I've
Speaker 3: known John for a very long time, and I've known
Speaker 3: about this. I've known that this has been an aspirational
Speaker 3: goal for a very long time. But and I look again,
Speaker 3: I want to say this one more time. I feel
Speaker 3: like I feel stupid having to say it. No one's
Speaker 3: being an apologist for the Iranian regime. Nobody wants the
Speaker 3: mulas to be like in charge of people and hang
Speaker 3: gay people from cranes and make women wear burkas. Nobody
Speaker 3: wants that. But the alternative is not free and democratic Iran.
Speaker 3: The alternative is Trump's trying to make a deal to
Speaker 3: make them give him a cut of their oil rev
Speaker 3: and then he'll declare victory and go away.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think it's important to just point out
Speaker 1: as we are almost done, but no one that what
Speaker 1: they did in Venezuela was not free the Venezuelans. What
Speaker 1: they did was put the vice president in charge.
Speaker 3: If you read that Times piece that it was a
Speaker 3: Chevron executive who came up with the plan. Yeah, instead
Speaker 3: of going to the pro democratic side, the Chevron executive
Speaker 3: came up with a plan because they knew they could
Speaker 3: make a deal with Delsea Rodriguez and the Massuro regime
Speaker 3: which is still in charge of Venezuela.
Speaker 1: But the good news is that Donald Trump did in
Speaker 1: fact get that peace prize.
Speaker 3: You know, the FIFA Peace Prize is a is a
Speaker 3: highly desirable peace prize. Next year it's probably gonna have
Speaker 3: to be like the Chick fil A Peace Prize because
Speaker 3: even FIFA can't stand this level of embarrassment.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll see, Rick Wilson. Congresswoman Melanie Stansberry represents New
Speaker 1: Mexico's first congressional district. Welcome, Welcome, Congresswoman.
Speaker 4: It's great to be here.
Speaker 1: So I have been interested in having on for a
Speaker 1: long time because of what you've been doing. You were
Speaker 1: on the original Doge Committee to Weapons highs Government, even
Speaker 1: when special government employee Elon Musk was on it. Whatever
Speaker 1: they did there was wild I mean, does that still exist?
Speaker 1: Just catch me up on that.
Speaker 4: Just to clarify, I was not a part of DOGE.
Speaker 1: I was, no, I know, you were part of DOGE oversight.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was the highest ranking Democrat and the Congressional
Speaker 4: Oversight Committee. But yeah, I mean, you know, Dotch never
Speaker 4: really existed outside of Elon Musk's brain. That he came
Speaker 4: into government in this whirlwind of illegal activity and stolar
Speaker 4: data and mass fired people and sent his hackers into
Speaker 4: all the agencies. But yeah, I mean some of those
Speaker 4: DOGE people are still there. But I would say by
Speaker 4: and large, this administration has pretty much renounced the whole
Speaker 4: DOGE experiment. And I mean if you look at any agency,
Speaker 4: whether it's Department of Defense, which it was just revealed
Speaker 4: that the secretary spent ninety three billion dollars on King
Speaker 4: Crab and stakes, to you know, the stealing of social
Speaker 4: Security data, to Christy Nome buying a private jet so
Speaker 4: she could travel across the country. The entire thing was
Speaker 4: a farce.
Speaker 1: Yes, And in fact, they've had to rehire some people, right.
Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely, yeah, I mean because of how they executed DOJ.
Speaker 4: It was so massively illegal that there have been hundreds
Speaker 4: of lawsuits that had basically resulted in court orders to
Speaker 4: reverse much of the harmful damage that they did, and
Speaker 4: a lot of people, thousands of people have been ordered
Speaker 4: to be rehired.
Speaker 1: Besides that, the government on its own has come to
Speaker 1: the decision that they need some of those people back too. Right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the idea of making government more lean and transparent
Speaker 4: and effective is a good idea. It has everything to
Speaker 4: do with execution, right, And had the intent from the
Speaker 4: beginning actually been to really improve the federal government, they
Speaker 4: would have spend some time to understand how these agencies
Speaker 4: actually they work, what they do, why the certain things
Speaker 4: that they do is important.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I was just on my way back to do this interview.
Speaker 4: I was listening to MPR, and MPR is confirming as
Speaker 4: of the last couple of hours that it was indeed
Speaker 4: an American bomb that killed one hundred and seventy school
Speaker 4: children in Iran, and DoD is investigating why they targeted
Speaker 4: that location. And it turns out because the Secretary of
Speaker 4: War fired all these employees who actually worked in the
Speaker 4: office that was supposed to make sure that they weren't
Speaker 4: targeting civilian infrastructure and so those are the kind of
Speaker 4: casualties of DOJE that they didn't even understand what these
Speaker 4: agencies did. And now you have one hundred, you know,
Speaker 4: one hundred and seventy school children and teachers dead as
Speaker 4: a result of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll be curious to see what function AI
Speaker 1: played in all of that too, because I know this
Speaker 1: DoD or as we call it now, the Department of War,
Speaker 1: which seems very aft, has been experimenting with AI, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I would love you to talk about where we
Speaker 1: are right now with the Ebstein files stuff. Because James Comer,
Speaker 1: who is the head of Oversight, was on I'm sure
Speaker 1: you've seen this clip on Fox News and he was
Speaker 1: talking to Jesse Waters and Comer said the federal government
Speaker 1: had asked New Mexico to stop their investigation. And I
Speaker 1: actually talked to Raoul Torres about this too, and he said,
Speaker 1: I believe that was back in twenty nineteen. Waters said,
Speaker 1: what branch Comber said, the DOJ, So that would be
Speaker 1: the Trump DOJ.
Speaker 4: Can we talk about this, Yeah, of course. So I
Speaker 4: don't watch as a general matter the Jesse Watter. No,
Speaker 4: But what I can't say is that, yes, part of
Speaker 4: the overall investigation that we're doing here in New Mexico.
Speaker 4: We just launched a bipartisan truth Commission to understand and
Speaker 4: to potentially prosecute crimes that were never prosecuted that Epstein
Speaker 4: and his associates committed here in New Mexico. But the
Speaker 4: other piece of it is to understand why there was
Speaker 4: a failure in the justice system, because there were reports
Speaker 4: to the FBI and local law enforcement going back to
Speaker 4: the mid nineties that Jeffrey Epstein had sexually abused girls
Speaker 4: in New Mexico. In fact, we know that Annie Farmer
Speaker 4: had filed her FBI complaint as early as nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 4: and there were other complaints filed through the Santa Fe
Speaker 4: Police as well as our state authorities, and New Mexico
Speaker 4: was conducting its own investigation into various crimes, and for
Speaker 4: whatever reason, in twenty nineteen, the US Department of Justice
Speaker 4: essentially asked New Mexico to stop investigating. And as it's understood,
Speaker 4: they were asked to transmit all of the case files
Speaker 4: that they had been managing regarding these crimes to the
Speaker 4: federal DOJ. But not only did they ask them to
Speaker 4: stop investigating, It's unclear whether the federal DOJ did anything
Speaker 4: with these files, and these files have not been disclosed
Speaker 4: as part of the Federal Epstein Files Transparency Act, and
Speaker 4: so clearly there's still a cover up happening. We don't
Speaker 4: know why Trump's DOJ asked New Mexico to stop investigating.
Speaker 4: So there's so many unanswered questions in this case. And
Speaker 4: you know, the miscarriage of justice that happened, whether it
Speaker 4: was in Florida and New York and New Mexico, has
Speaker 4: so many layers to it. You know, New Mexico's doing
Speaker 4: its part, and our state Department of Justice and our
Speaker 4: legislature are investigating these crimes and we will pursue justice.
Speaker 4: And in fact New Mexico is acting where the federal
Speaker 4: government has failed.
Speaker 1: You will be able to search the house, right, the farms,
Speaker 1: or orand so as.
Speaker 4: Of Monday, the State Department of Justice did begin searching
Speaker 4: the physical property of Zoro Ranch. The question that is
Speaker 4: ready is why was it never searched while it was
Speaker 4: still owned by Epstein or his estate. In fact, when
Speaker 4: in twenty nineteen, when Epstein was arrested, the FBI issued
Speaker 4: search warrants for his other properties, but they never searched
Speaker 4: Zoro Ranch, even though there were known crimes to have
Speaker 4: been committed there. That property has now been sold and
Speaker 4: in fact, strangely, it was bought by a Trump ally
Speaker 4: and donor, this guy Heffins, who's running for state comptroller
Speaker 4: in Texas and whose son works in the White House.
Speaker 1: Yes, who is.
Speaker 4: Reportedly turning Zoro Ranch into a Christian retreat, which is
Speaker 4: a whole other weird side to this story. But as
Speaker 4: of Monday, our state DOJ was physically on the property,
Speaker 4: searching and treating it as a crime scene.
Speaker 1: It is, however, six years later.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you think about some of these crimes
Speaker 4: were reported in nineteen ninety six, so this is thirty
Speaker 4: years later, and so we don't know to what extent
Speaker 4: there's still evidence, physical evidence on the property.
Speaker 1: Right now. Oversight has do a really good job pushing
Speaker 1: on the Epstein files. I think it feels as if
Speaker 1: Garcia has really been that's you know, the ranking member
Speaker 1: has been really focused on getting these hearings, getting these depositions,
Speaker 1: and it feels like Comer is, despite all of the
Speaker 1: partisanship in the Republican Party, kind of open to it.
Speaker 1: I know, you have a list of more people. You
Speaker 1: guys are about to talk to, Oversight is about to
Speaker 1: talk to. I wonder if you could tell us, like
Speaker 1: where you think it is right now, where oversight is,
Speaker 1: and also what you'd like to see more of, and
Speaker 1: so go from that, and then I have more questions.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean what I'd like to see more of
Speaker 4: is accountability of the administration, because we have not only
Speaker 4: passed a law now which the President signed himself, requiring
Speaker 4: that they disclose all of the Epstein files, in which
Speaker 4: they haven't released even half of, but also we subpoena
Speaker 4: those files last summer and they haven't even begun to
Speaker 4: comply with the subpoena. And the subpoena is much more
Speaker 4: all encompassing than even the Epstein Files Transparency Act. So
Speaker 4: the administration is breaking the law. And even though I'm
Speaker 4: grateful that we have bipartisan cooperation on calling these depositions
Speaker 4: and subpoena ing both witnesses and documents, they have up
Speaker 4: until now not been willing to hold the administration's feet
Speaker 4: to the fire to actually make them comply with the law.
Speaker 4: The one development this week that I think is an
Speaker 4: important development, as Nancy Mace offered a vote on a
Speaker 4: subpoena of Pambondi, and that pass with the bipartisan support,
Speaker 4: and so pam Bondi is now going to be deposed
Speaker 4: by the Committee in our investigation into her handling of
Speaker 4: the case. And that's important because it's not your typical
Speaker 4: hearing in front of the public. In fact, this will
Speaker 4: be an actual deposition on the record, and ultimately it
Speaker 4: will be made public. But the point is that we're
Speaker 4: conducting oversight in her handling, and I believe at the
Speaker 4: end of the day, her handling of this case and
Speaker 4: her complete mismanagement and cover up this case, will be
Speaker 4: the end of her career at DOJ. I genuinely believe that.
Speaker 4: I think that there is support on both sides of
Speaker 4: the aisle to hold her in contempt, and ultimately I
Speaker 4: think the calls for her to leave will continue to grow.
Speaker 4: But in terms of the overall investigation, you know, this
Speaker 4: case is vast. It spans decades, it spans over a
Speaker 4: thousand victims, it spans multiple administrations, it spans multiple states,
Speaker 4: and I think at the end of the day, the
Speaker 4: fundamental question is how did Jeffrey Epstein and his associates
Speaker 4: and his friends who engaged in sexual abuse of miners
Speaker 4: and women for decades go unprosecuted, And who is responsible
Speaker 4: and culpable for the miscarriages of justice that happened at
Speaker 4: the state level, at the federal level, who buried this case?
Speaker 4: Why are they still not investigating these crimes. Why is
Speaker 4: the DOJ covering for perpetrators that were reported to committed
Speaker 4: abuse by survivors, and why have these crimes not been prosecuted?
Speaker 4: And so, you know, in our overall effort in this case,
Speaker 4: I think we're both trying to investigate why this case
Speaker 4: was never fully investigated and prosecuted, whether or not they're
Speaker 4: individuals who are perpetrators that can still be held accountable,
Speaker 4: and to really seek justice and change to the system
Speaker 4: that failed these survivors for decades, because at the end
Speaker 4: of the day, like this is going to keep happening,
Speaker 4: right if rich and powerful men are able to get
Speaker 4: away with committing crimes by you know, giving payoffs and
Speaker 4: asking their friends to bury cases. And so I know,
Speaker 4: certainly here in New Mexico, we're looking at changing the
Speaker 4: statute to limitations and other laws that allowed Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 4: to slip through the cracks and that's what we ultimately
Speaker 4: will have to do at the federal level as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I actually wanted to ask you about
Speaker 1: that because I it does seem to me when you
Speaker 1: talk to these victims and their survivors are not but
Speaker 1: the survivors. I mean, I talked to me Farmer recently
Speaker 1: and she just she had come forward in nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 1: And then I talked to Danny Balski, who was abused
Speaker 1: in two thousand and five. So that was years and
Speaker 1: years of abuse that could have been stopped had the
Speaker 1: FBI just listened to women. I wondered if, like the
Speaker 1: sea change that I think could happen with this would
Speaker 1: be this idea that the FBI changes the way they
Speaker 1: listened to women, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, the FBI, to its credit, did take
Speaker 4: complaints and statements, but the problem is the federal government
Speaker 4: didn't prosecute so the I mean, certainly there's always room
Speaker 4: for improvement within the FBI, but the real miscarriage of
Speaker 4: justice happened in the Department of Justice, and kind of
Speaker 4: the original sin goes back to the original Florida case,
Speaker 4: where you know, local and state authorities were going to
Speaker 4: prosecute Jeffrey Epstein. Then the US Department of Justice stepped
Speaker 4: in and said, actually, we're going to prosecute. A case
Speaker 4: was prepared, the line attorneys recommended that they prosecute and
Speaker 4: put them away for decades. And then you have Alex Acosta,
Speaker 4: who is the US Attorney at the time, step in
Speaker 4: and say, actually, no, we're not going to prosecute this case.
Speaker 4: And you know, I think we have not gotten to
Speaker 4: the bottom of what happened that made him make that decision.
Speaker 4: But I suspect that if you follow the money, ultimately
Speaker 4: we will find out that something something happened or was
Speaker 4: exchanged that gave him that impetus. But it wasn't just him, right,
Speaker 4: because the FBI and DOJ had these case files for years,
Speaker 4: and it wasn't until the case was reopened in twenty
Speaker 4: nineteen after Miami Herald journalists brought this issue back forward
Speaker 4: and Acosta was now a Cabinet secretary, that they even
Speaker 4: began investigating again. And what's strange to me is that
Speaker 4: they prepared a trial for Jeffrey Epstein, which he never
Speaker 4: stood for because he died in jail. GILLEI Maxwell was
Speaker 4: ultimately prosecuted, But there are potentially dozens of perpetrators in
Speaker 4: the files that were never fully investigated, and so why
Speaker 4: is the DOJ still sitting on those files and not
Speaker 4: prosecuting those crimes. So, you know, the continued miscarriage of
Speaker 4: justice is continuing to happen, but it more sits squarely
Speaker 4: with the Department of Justice, whose job it is to
Speaker 4: prosecute these crimes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you. Congresswoman.
Speaker 3: M Hm, no moment, Rick Wilson, Okay, Molly, what is
Speaker 3: your moment of fuckery? You know, my moment of fuckery
Speaker 3: is that the Kennedy Center is about to be demolished
Speaker 3: by the Trump administration and that one of the most
Speaker 3: egregious trolls in the Trump universe has been and now
Speaker 3: and remains, Rick Renell. And Rick Renell has managed to
Speaker 3: nate the Kennedy Center, turning it into a kid rock
Speaker 3: style maga version of Branson, like a dinner at theater
Speaker 3: and it's dying and it didn't work. You know why
Speaker 3: people want to come to the Kennedy Center, to apologies
Speaker 3: to Timothy Shallow, may see things like the ballet and
Speaker 3: the opera. And Rick Renell thought they wanted to see
Speaker 3: like the what. I don't know, the fucking pigeon Forge
Speaker 3: banjob singers, I don't know. Right, the thing Maga wants
Speaker 3: and the thing Trump wants about culture, they're even different
Speaker 3: between them. And there's a big part of that movement
Speaker 3: that believes there should be like an official American culture.
Speaker 3: It's not the version that the Kennedy Center has fostered
Speaker 3: over sixty plus years of being a hub of culture
Speaker 3: in this country.
Speaker 1: You can't move NASCAR into the Kennedy Center.
Speaker 3: No, No, They're not going to be a monster truck
Speaker 3: show in the Kennedy Center Monday Sunday Sunday at the
Speaker 3: Kennedy Center. That kind of thrills and spills the fans
Speaker 3: want to see that here.
Speaker 1: You know, when you have all these members of the
Speaker 1: Trump FBI, like Cash Battal Jazz doing UFC and UFC
Speaker 1: not for the Kennedy Center.
Speaker 3: No, not for the Kennedy Center. And Grenelle's out. But
Speaker 3: he's probably going to go on to poison some other
Speaker 3: cultural institution in DC. But I honestly believe Trump will
Speaker 3: order the destruction of the Kennedy Center this summer because
Speaker 3: he just does it.
Speaker 1: It's what he does, and why not?
Speaker 3: So why not do you want? What are we going
Speaker 3: to stop him?
Speaker 1: It's certainly not going to be used for anything cultural.
Speaker 3: Look, I wanted to be distracted by the Kennedy Center
Speaker 3: so he doesn't one day wake up and go, Pete,
Speaker 3: how do I do those bombs again? How do I
Speaker 3: launch this missus again? I want to see the pretty fireworks.
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