1
00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,160
Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

2
00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,120
Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

3
00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:11,119
Speaker 1: today's best minds and Pete Buddha. Judge says, this is

4
00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:15,640
Speaker 1: clearly amateur hour at the Pentagon and in the White House,

5
00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,279
Speaker 1: we have such a great show for you today. The

6
00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:23,360
Speaker 1: Lincoln Project's own Rick Wilson joins us to discuss Tucker Paulison,

7
00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,759
Speaker 1: saying the CIA is coming for him. Then we'll talk

8
00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:32,479
Speaker 1: to congress wor Alman Melanie Stansberry about the investigation into

9
00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,440
Speaker 1: Ebstein's Zorro ranch. But first the news.

10
00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,560
Speaker 2: So, Molly, it is unbelievable how much the Trump administration

11
00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,600
Speaker 2: does something. They fuck it up. They convince his followers

12
00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,360
Speaker 2: that he solved the problem. This headline from the New

13
00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,440
Speaker 2: York Times. I literally, you know how when we say

14
00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,120
Speaker 2: I spit out my coffee, I literally spit out my coffee.

15
00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,480
Speaker 2: To address farm la versus shortage, Trump administration turns to

16
00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:56,320
Speaker 2: migrant workers.

17
00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:01,200
Speaker 1: Yes, the great irony of Trump world is that Trump,

18
00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:06,320
Speaker 1: the man who is trying to end migration, actually desperately

19
00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:10,000
Speaker 1: needs migrants. By the way, this could have all been

20
00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,240
Speaker 1: seen coming a million miles away for years. The agricultural

21
00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:17,600
Speaker 1: sector has faced a tight labor market as farm workers age.

22
00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,440
Speaker 1: This is like jobs that Americans don't want to do,

23
00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,080
Speaker 1: picking strawberries. I feel like we've been doing this for

24
00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,440
Speaker 1: so long that we have had this conversation so many times.

25
00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,640
Speaker 1: Americans don't want to pick strawberries. It's hard, backbreaking labor.

26
00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:35,640
Speaker 1: People who are not from this country. Somehow we convince

27
00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,000
Speaker 1: them to do this. Here's the problem. Now they can't

28
00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,039
Speaker 1: come here, and they're scared to come and because Christie

29
00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,240
Speaker 1: Nome has spent two hundred and twenty million dollars making

30
00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,520
Speaker 1: little videos telling them to self deport and maybe taking

31
00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,680
Speaker 1: some of the money for herself. By the way, I

32
00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,800
Speaker 1: went through TSA this weekend, no Christie Nome photo. It

33
00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,560
Speaker 1: was amazing. Oh no, they took them down already, like

34
00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,800
Speaker 1: she's only been out for like four and there's no

35
00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,720
Speaker 1: cowboy hat, like please go through the You know, they.

36
00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,600
Speaker 2: Were probably worried that that's what was driving down the tourism.

37
00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll do it, not the four hour lines. Our

38
00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,120
Speaker 1: country is like a banana republic. So yeah, there's nobody

39
00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,240
Speaker 1: to pick the fruit and we need them back. But

40
00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,000
Speaker 1: they don't want to come here because of ice, and

41
00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:26,320
Speaker 1: how terrifying it is. So as someone who carries her

42
00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,079
Speaker 1: passport around with her when she goes places. I don't

43
00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:31,840
Speaker 1: know what to tell you, but this seems bad.

44
00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:32,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

45
00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,839
Speaker 2: Soby I was watching the Sunday shows and I see

46
00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,840
Speaker 2: a energy secretary, Chris Wright, make an appearance, and he says,

47
00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,160
Speaker 2: no guarantees gas prices will fall in weeks. And so

48
00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,079
Speaker 2: I took a walk up. I live on a corner

49
00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,639
Speaker 2: with a gas station. I walked up the buck I'd

50
00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,480
Speaker 2: gotten gas last week. Gas is up almost a dollar at.

51
00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:49,960
Speaker 3: That gas station.

52
00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:54,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Chris Right, I've rarely been so impressed

53
00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:59,800
Speaker 1: by a Trump cabinet secretary. My man is working for

54
00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,760
Speaker 1: the Democrats. Let's be honest here, Molly. Would you say

55
00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,000
Speaker 1: they don't bring us their best? I don't know, because

56
00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,600
Speaker 1: this is honestly, he's my favorite, But then again, I'm

57
00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:13,920
Speaker 1: a Democrat. So he said things that were absolutely like

58
00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,880
Speaker 1: if Trump doesn't like, send him to Gitmo. I don't

59
00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,440
Speaker 1: know what to tell you. He said there would be

60
00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,960
Speaker 1: a period of short term disruption. By the way, everyone

61
00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,600
Speaker 1: in Trump world has said that. Now this this is

62
00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,600
Speaker 1: a talking point, short term pain for long term gain.

63
00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,160
Speaker 1: What is the long term gain. The long term gain

64
00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,480
Speaker 1: is what that we have destroyed around a country that

65
00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,560
Speaker 1: none of us have ever been to and never will

66
00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,640
Speaker 1: go to. And that's a gain for us. How okay,

67
00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,720
Speaker 1: But here's the deal. He then admitted, or his Energy

68
00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:47,360
Speaker 1: Information Administration, his own department, admitted that they forecast that

69
00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,680
Speaker 1: gas will not get back to pre conflict levels before

70
00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,680
Speaker 1: the end of twenty twenty seven. So good news because

71
00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,560
Speaker 1: the Republicans are going into a midterm. Here's the problem.

72
00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,400
Speaker 1: Twenty percent of all oil and gas goes to the

73
00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:06,280
Speaker 1: straits of Homooth. So even if America is energy independent,

74
00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,000
Speaker 1: it does not mean that we will be selling ourselves

75
00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,560
Speaker 1: cheap gas because I don't know if you know this,

76
00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,400
Speaker 1: but in capitalism, they can sell the gas for as

77
00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,520
Speaker 1: much as they want. And so there is gas is

78
00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:22,440
Speaker 1: getting more expensive. Oil and gas entrepreneurs are making more money,

79
00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,200
Speaker 1: Oil and gas barons are making more money, which is

80
00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:29,120
Speaker 1: good news for Trump because you'll remember Trump got like

81
00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,120
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars from those guys, and remember when

82
00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,960
Speaker 1: he was like, you know, you guys need me. But

83
00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,919
Speaker 1: gas prices are already up to three dollars and sixty

84
00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:43,520
Speaker 1: nine cents, up from two dollars and ninety seven cents

85
00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,679
Speaker 1: a month ago, and it's only going to get higher

86
00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,480
Speaker 1: because while this war is going on, the number of

87
00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,400
Speaker 1: barrels are being you know, we're having less and less

88
00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,960
Speaker 1: oil and we're going to have to catch up on

89
00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,960
Speaker 1: this oil that we're missing, and everything's going to get

90
00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,679
Speaker 1: we have a supply chain crisis, just like during COVID Mike.

91
00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:10,120
Speaker 2: There is another civil war inside maga is between Ken

92
00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,280
Speaker 2: Paxton and John Cornan, and Trump's being forced to choose

93
00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:14,760
Speaker 2: which one he's going to back.

94
00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is my favorite story ever. So basically, John

95
00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:23,000
Speaker 1: Cornyan Republicans have dumped millions of dollars into this primary.

96
00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,880
Speaker 1: John Cornan is the Republican senator from Texas. You know,

97
00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,640
Speaker 1: he's very popular in the Senate. But the problem is

98
00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,760
Speaker 1: he's not very trumpy. And this other guy, Ken Paxton

99
00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:39,160
Speaker 1: is like the AG has been Trump's cheerleader. He has

100
00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:43,800
Speaker 1: done everything Trump has wanted, like everything he fought against

101
00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:48,120
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty election results. He was impeached and fought

102
00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:53,080
Speaker 1: against removal and ended up staying as AG. He's a philanderer.

103
00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:57,920
Speaker 1: I mean, my man is just a truly trumpy politician.

104
00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:02,880
Speaker 1: And so the republiclkins, you know, in Republican world, they're like,

105
00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:08,360
Speaker 1: you gotta endorse Cornan because he's less insane, and normal

106
00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,919
Speaker 1: people who are not MAGA will not vote for Paxton

107
00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:17,080
Speaker 1: because any number of reasons. But here's the problem. Trump

108
00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:21,800
Speaker 1: can't because Paxton has that thing that Trump had when

109
00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,200
Speaker 1: normal Republicans tried to get rid of him. He's got

110
00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:30,400
Speaker 1: that thing right. I mean, Paxton way underspent Cornan and

111
00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,520
Speaker 1: Cornyn barely, you know, and now they'll go to a runoff.

112
00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,600
Speaker 1: So I think it's going to be really interesting. And

113
00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:41,320
Speaker 1: here's why it's interesting, because if Trump endorses Cornan, MAGA

114
00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,880
Speaker 1: will spoil with him. And already Paxton has said a

115
00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,440
Speaker 1: number of different things. But he said he wouldn't drop

116
00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,400
Speaker 1: out even if Trump didn't endorse him, And then he

117
00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,200
Speaker 1: said he would only drop out if they passed the

118
00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:57,400
Speaker 1: Save Act, which was like a pathetic pandering but also

119
00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,479
Speaker 1: a way to try to get Cornan to apt to

120
00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,680
Speaker 1: say he supported the Stave Act, which Cornyan did, which

121
00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,520
Speaker 1: then like lost corn In quite a lot of credibility

122
00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,000
Speaker 1: because a lot of these senators really like the Philip

123
00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,720
Speaker 1: Wester don't want to get rid of it. It just

124
00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,440
Speaker 1: was like an amazing situation because Trump is really between

125
00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,920
Speaker 1: a rock and hard places. If he endorses Paxton, which

126
00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:21,239
Speaker 1: would make the most sense, then Paxton will very likely

127
00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,280
Speaker 1: win the primary anyway, but he may not win the

128
00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,000
Speaker 1: general because he's a complete lunatic. But if he endores

129
00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,800
Speaker 1: this cornan, I think there's a real chance that Paxton

130
00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,080
Speaker 1: stays in and still wins, which will make Trump. You know,

131
00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:38,840
Speaker 1: if Trump can't control MAGA, that's a big deal. I'll

132
00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,160
Speaker 1: be curious to see how this plays out. It's not

133
00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:42,520
Speaker 1: a good situation for Trump.

134
00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,760
Speaker 2: I agree. Speaking of not good situations for Trump, the

135
00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,120
Speaker 2: war in Iran not good. He has some thoughts to

136
00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,480
Speaker 2: mister Brian kill Meat about how he'll know when the

137
00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,120
Speaker 2: war is done that I think we should really listen to.

138
00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:55,640
Speaker 1: Yes, let's go.

139
00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:57,640
Speaker 4: And I had to take an excursion.

140
00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,360
Speaker 3: We had the greatest economy in history.

141
00:07:59,400 --> 00:07:59,600
Speaker 4: We do.

142
00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,000
Speaker 3: He'll do this will bounce right back when it's over,

143
00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,240
Speaker 3: And I don't think it's going to be low when

144
00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:05,680
Speaker 3: it's over.

145
00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,080
Speaker 2: This is good to bounce right back so fast.

146
00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,760
Speaker 3: When are you gonna know when it's over? When I

147
00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,800
Speaker 3: feel it, okay, feel it in my bones.

148
00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:14,880
Speaker 1: Will you ask anybody in particular would that be some

149
00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:16,840
Speaker 1: of these A joint decisions.

150
00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:17,000
Speaker 3: Deal with people.

151
00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,960
Speaker 1: I have great people, Yeah, I have General Raising Kine,

152
00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,880
Speaker 1: I have Pete, Pete shared out to be a star,

153
00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:24,000
Speaker 1: Marco's great JD.

154
00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:25,320
Speaker 5: I've got all good people.

155
00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:26,960
Speaker 1: I've got We've got a great group.

156
00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:28,120
Speaker 2: Got a great group, Molly.

157
00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:33,240
Speaker 1: I listened to that and I was like in his phones.

158
00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I understand that Trump is an autocrat, so

159
00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,280
Speaker 1: he's going to always say, you know, he doesn't want

160
00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,360
Speaker 1: to give up any parts of control.

161
00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:41,640
Speaker 3: Right.

162
00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:46,640
Speaker 1: He's like Godafi. He's a completely self contained There are

163
00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,240
Speaker 1: no checks and balances, there are no branches of the federal government.

164
00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,080
Speaker 1: There's just him, and he is Maga and magas him.

165
00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,719
Speaker 1: The problem is he just doesn't know what the she's

166
00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,920
Speaker 1: doing it, and he's way too embolden and there's no

167
00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,160
Speaker 1: one around him to tell. So he's going to know

168
00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,800
Speaker 1: the wars over when he fills it in his bones.

169
00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,960
Speaker 1: I don't know when that's going to be. I do

170
00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:09,200
Speaker 1: not think that will be soon.

171
00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,480
Speaker 2: This is like a worse moment than Mission accomplished in

172
00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:12,960
Speaker 2: my mind.

173
00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,079
Speaker 1: I mean mission accomplished. You know. Now we go into

174
00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,720
Speaker 1: this like cursed conversation of whether Bush is worse than Trump.

175
00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,120
Speaker 1: I mean, Trump is obviously worse than Bush, but like

176
00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,640
Speaker 1: Bush did get you know, quite a lot of Americans

177
00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,599
Speaker 1: are Rockies and all sorts of other people in the

178
00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,080
Speaker 1: Middle East got killed. So I don't know. But the

179
00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,560
Speaker 1: one thing I will say is that Bush did stop

180
00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,400
Speaker 1: playing golf, and Donald Trump does seem to still be

181
00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:38,960
Speaker 1: playing golf. So there is that.

182
00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,800
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, here's a way that Trump is much worse

183
00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,960
Speaker 2: than George Bush. Ever, was Brendan Carr is threatening broadcast

184
00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,320
Speaker 2: licenses for that coverage over the war in Iran.

185
00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Brendan Carr, this is his whole thing is

186
00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:57,760
Speaker 1: that he's really into threatening people, and he's really not

187
00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,240
Speaker 1: so into the First Amendment when these people call it

188
00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:05,040
Speaker 1: themselves free speech absolutists, Oh, because I am.

189
00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,000
Speaker 3: You're just vivid in my brain. You know.

190
00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,839
Speaker 1: His whole thing is he basically just like makes stuff

191
00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,120
Speaker 1: up and he's like, you can't do that. No, he

192
00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:16,240
Speaker 1: wants to take these licenses away. I think that, you know,

193
00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,520
Speaker 1: all of this stuff is you just have to push back.

194
00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,640
Speaker 1: If you don't push back, like just like Trump one

195
00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,400
Speaker 1: point zero, if you push back, you know, Jimmy Kimmel

196
00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,400
Speaker 1: is still on the air, right, But if you don't

197
00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,280
Speaker 1: push back, then Jimmy Kimmel will be off there. I mean,

198
00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,960
Speaker 1: this is it's not this is not rocket science. You

199
00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:36,000
Speaker 1: push back or you lose your freedoms and rights. And

200
00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,480
Speaker 1: you know, I want to point out that Brendan Carr

201
00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,360
Speaker 1: said broadcasters are running hoaxes and news distortions also known

202
00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,000
Speaker 1: as speaking news. They have a chance to course correct

203
00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,080
Speaker 1: before their license renewals come up. This is this other

204
00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,960
Speaker 1: thing too. They really want to car Trump World really

205
00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,680
Speaker 1: wants to intimidate corporations that want you know, there are

206
00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:02,320
Speaker 1: so many of these ways in which Republicans and these

207
00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:07,719
Speaker 1: businesses are. They have conflicts of interest, they want regulatory approval,

208
00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,320
Speaker 1: and a lot we've seen a lot of media companies

209
00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,480
Speaker 1: cave just because they like think of Sherry Redstone, just

210
00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,840
Speaker 1: because they wanted regulatory approval. So I think Brendan Carr

211
00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:19,120
Speaker 1: hopes that he can get.

212
00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,320
Speaker 5: More to cave that way, which is sort of so

213
00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:26,120
Speaker 5: it's sort of like capitalism authoritarianism, right, It's authoritarianism with

214
00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,400
Speaker 5: like capitalist impulses like you want to make this murders

215
00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:30,800
Speaker 5: and that is how we got here.

216
00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:39,720
Speaker 1: And so welcome to an entire news cycle of we

217
00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:45,680
Speaker 1: have exciting news over at our YouTube channel. The third

218
00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:50,040
Speaker 1: episode is out now from our series Project twenty twenty

219
00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:54,120
Speaker 1: nine are reimagining where we examine what went wrong with

220
00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,559
Speaker 1: democrats approach to policy and how we can correct it

221
00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:03,719
Speaker 1: and deliver changes for the American people. The first episodes

222
00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:10,160
Speaker 1: dove into campaign finance, reform, antitrust, and regulation. Our newest

223
00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:14,880
Speaker 1: episode is on how we solidify reproductive rights for women.

224
00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,240
Speaker 1: We talk to the smartest names in the fields like

225
00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,840
Speaker 1: abortion every Day is Jessica Valenti, the Center for Reproductive Rights,

226
00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:28,160
Speaker 1: Nancy Northok UCLA is oh and Mary Ziegler, and the

227
00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:33,400
Speaker 1: gout Macher Institute's Kelly Badden. Republicans were prepared for when

228
00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,040
Speaker 1: they got the levers of power. Democrats need to be too.

229
00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,439
Speaker 1: So please head over to YouTube and search Molly John

230
00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,120
Speaker 1: Fast Project twenty twenty nine or go to the Fast

231
00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,800
Speaker 1: Politics YouTube channel page and you'll find it there. Help

232
00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,760
Speaker 1: us spread the word. Rick Wilson is the founder of

233
00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:54,000
Speaker 1: the Lincoln Project.

234
00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,560
Speaker 3: Rick Wilson, Hey, Molly, how are you going?

235
00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:05,600
Speaker 1: So Tucker Carlson believe that he is going to He

236
00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:10,320
Speaker 1: says that he is being h the I'm just going

237
00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,319
Speaker 1: to read the text above the.

238
00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,560
Speaker 3: Just just tweet because it because it does need somebody

239
00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:16,960
Speaker 3: to read it. So you hear how.

240
00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,760
Speaker 1: Yes, when you this is just what he tweeted, and

241
00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,920
Speaker 1: then we can talk about what he said. But I

242
00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,319
Speaker 1: think this is worthy. Uh when you discover the CIA

243
00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,560
Speaker 1: has been reading your texts in order to frame you

244
00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:34,720
Speaker 1: for a crime. Sure, uh is the first part of

245
00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,680
Speaker 1: the story, but basically, in a clip shared Saturday evening,

246
00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:43,080
Speaker 1: As One Does, Tucker Carlson says the CIA is preparing

247
00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,480
Speaker 1: some kind of criminal referral against him to the Justice

248
00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:51,400
Speaker 1: Department quote on the basis of a supposed crime. The

249
00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:55,080
Speaker 1: former Fox News host claims claimed investigators had read his

250
00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,720
Speaker 1: text messages and that the support the supposed probe relates

251
00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:04,840
Speaker 1: to talking to people in ran before the war. The

252
00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:09,520
Speaker 1: crime is a consideration apparently that would be under the

253
00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:13,440
Speaker 1: Foreign Agent Act or something like that. Acting is an

254
00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:17,120
Speaker 1: agent of a foreign power, He's said, Foreign.

255
00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,640
Speaker 3: Agent's Registration Act is what it's what it's uh, what

256
00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,360
Speaker 3: it's called. I'd just like to ask, Tucker, is the

257
00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,200
Speaker 3: CIA in the room with this now, Tucker? Are they

258
00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:26,800
Speaker 3: telling you to hurt yourself or others?

259
00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,960
Speaker 1: So, so there are questions here, right, Like this is

260
00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,880
Speaker 1: one of these stories where it's it's self reported, so

261
00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:36,680
Speaker 1: that could could mean any number.

262
00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,000
Speaker 3: Is our only source on this story, to be fair, right.

263
00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:44,640
Speaker 1: A single source story. Also, how he knows they've read

264
00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:46,240
Speaker 1: his texts.

265
00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,960
Speaker 3: You know, once again, I don't know if if, if

266
00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,760
Speaker 3: the CIA is telling him these things or what, but

267
00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,960
Speaker 3: you know he has he has a fairly pro Iran

268
00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,280
Speaker 3: position when it comes to this war, I would say,

269
00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,120
Speaker 3: and I don't want to say he's like, I'm not

270
00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,920
Speaker 3: saying he's cheerleading for the mullas to newke America. He

271
00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:11,200
Speaker 3: certainly is anti Trump's war in Iran, which, you know,

272
00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,800
Speaker 3: weirdly for the first time, and I don't know, a

273
00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:15,680
Speaker 3: decade puts Tucker and I sort of on the same

274
00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,320
Speaker 3: general paths, and I've done it feels weird and it

275
00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,440
Speaker 3: feels kind of dirty, and I don't feel good about it.

276
00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:25,160
Speaker 3: But but but but Molly, I mean, I think, I

277
00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,000
Speaker 3: think what you've got here is there are a handful

278
00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:34,760
Speaker 3: of these people, uh, Tucker, Jackson, Hinkle, sometimes Alex Joones,

279
00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,920
Speaker 3: some of these weirdos who get in bed with other

280
00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,800
Speaker 3: with with foreign countries, Doug McGregor, you know, these people

281
00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,440
Speaker 3: who seem to suddenly have mysterious access to our enemies

282
00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,720
Speaker 3: to describe their intentions and and and to describe their

283
00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,720
Speaker 3: side of these arguments over and over again. And I

284
00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,960
Speaker 3: think it is I think it is entirely possible that

285
00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,320
Speaker 3: Tucker has talked to these people. I don't know, we

286
00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,400
Speaker 3: don't know, we don't know what this entails yet, but

287
00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:03,840
Speaker 3: it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

288
00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,640
Speaker 1: Well, so here's the thing. I mean, there have we've

289
00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,800
Speaker 1: definitely seen members of conservative media make money from foreign countries.

290
00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:12,960
Speaker 1: You'll remember that.

291
00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:17,880
Speaker 3: Thing, Benny Johnson, Benny Cool and Southern.

292
00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:22,720
Speaker 1: Do the husband of Megan McCain, Ben Dominic, maybe that.

293
00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,920
Speaker 3: Was that was the Malaysia deal, Ben Malaysia or Indonesia,

294
00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,320
Speaker 3: I remember Proprecia. I just threw a Zulander reference there

295
00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,200
Speaker 3: it was. I think it was Malaysia. Like suddenly, back

296
00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,200
Speaker 3: in the two thousands, a bunch of right wing waters

297
00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,960
Speaker 3: were like writing about what a great country Malaysia was.

298
00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:42,280
Speaker 3: The administration was so awesome. So look, being caught up

299
00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:48,320
Speaker 3: in the fairest stuff is a rookie mistake, right, And

300
00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,080
Speaker 3: and a lot of these guys who do politics in

301
00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:56,080
Speaker 3: other countries as I have done. If you're just working

302
00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,160
Speaker 3: in the other country, you don't have to register for Pharaoh,

303
00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,680
Speaker 3: but if you're becoming an advocate it for them in

304
00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:02,120
Speaker 3: this country, you do.

305
00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:07,679
Speaker 1: Right, And this was something we saw. Trump's guy got

306
00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:12,120
Speaker 1: involved in what's his name, the campaign manager in the

307
00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:17,480
Speaker 1: first Trump one point zero? Oh, Brad Parscal And yeah, Brad.

308
00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,320
Speaker 1: But also remember the guy where they had to sell

309
00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:25,439
Speaker 1: his Ostrich jacket Palm. Yeah, of course I remember the

310
00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:26,600
Speaker 1: jacket and not the name.

311
00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:31,040
Speaker 3: Paul Maniford is a full time if. Paul Manaford is

312
00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,320
Speaker 3: like a literary character almost in this country. He is

313
00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,240
Speaker 3: a guy who if there's a if the if it's

314
00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:42,200
Speaker 3: the scummiest, most dangerous, most anti American, most vile, most

315
00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,760
Speaker 3: most repressive regime in the world, and they walk through

316
00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,000
Speaker 3: Paul's office with a dollar bill hanging out of their

317
00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,960
Speaker 3: back pocket, He's going to work for him. He literally

318
00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:55,960
Speaker 3: works for Lukashinko, he works for he works for Orbon

319
00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,320
Speaker 3: as to a bunch of other Trump senior advisers right now,

320
00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,280
Speaker 3: by the way, they're all trying to get Orbon elected.

321
00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,119
Speaker 3: And I'm sure as as we go back to Tucker,

322
00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,560
Speaker 3: Tucker is also a huge fan of Orbon right, who's

323
00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:09,600
Speaker 3: going to lose by the way.

324
00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,160
Speaker 1: So here's the question. I think there are I think

325
00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,600
Speaker 1: we should parse this out because it's there's so many

326
00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:19,440
Speaker 1: issues here. There's the possibility that Tucker is acting as

327
00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,720
Speaker 1: a foreign agent. But then there's the other possibility that

328
00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,880
Speaker 1: they're going after media figures that they don't.

329
00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,680
Speaker 3: Like, absolutely correct, and I.

330
00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,480
Speaker 1: Think there's John Lemon.

331
00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:37,800
Speaker 3: I think there's a massive overlap between left and right

332
00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,680
Speaker 3: people that Trump is going after or as or as

333
00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,359
Speaker 3: directed as people to go after. And I don't think

334
00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:49,040
Speaker 3: it's happening in in equal intensity and sequence for all

335
00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,560
Speaker 3: of them. Right. You know, when when you've got Judge

336
00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,080
Speaker 3: box of Wine out on Friday screeching like a stuck

337
00:18:55,160 --> 00:19:00,600
Speaker 3: hog about is that the court slap her down so

338
00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:06,320
Speaker 3: hard she lost her dentures. I mean Jerome Powell was

339
00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:11,120
Speaker 3: essentially the Court said this administration is harassing Jerome Powell.

340
00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,240
Speaker 3: They have to fucking stop and Judge box of Wine

341
00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:19,280
Speaker 3: has misread her role, powers and responsibilities. But they're going

342
00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,639
Speaker 3: to go after people they don't like. You saw Brendan

343
00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,840
Speaker 3: Carr over the weekend saying, oh, well, we're going to

344
00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:28,320
Speaker 3: go after networks that don't cover the war like we

345
00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,480
Speaker 3: want them to cover it. Yeah, well that and how

346
00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,200
Speaker 3: this shit works, boss. But here we are.

347
00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,240
Speaker 1: So there's just a number of different of different possible

348
00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,080
Speaker 1: bad results here, I think.

349
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,760
Speaker 3: You know, and look, here's the thing. I think. Tucker

350
00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,760
Speaker 3: Carlson is a guy who has submerged himself into the

351
00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,520
Speaker 3: most vile parts of the alt right, you know, white

352
00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,919
Speaker 3: replacement bullshit world. But honestly, I don't want this administration

353
00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,080
Speaker 3: using the power of the government to silent speech that

354
00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:01,159
Speaker 3: they don't like, because that doesn't stop with Tucker. It

355
00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,400
Speaker 3: ends with you and me. It ends with a whole

356
00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,920
Speaker 3: bunch of other people. And you have seen this repeatedly

357
00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,480
Speaker 3: across the spectrum, Trump saying that he's going to sue

358
00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,160
Speaker 3: people like Maggie Haberman. This week he went after Maggie

359
00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,639
Speaker 3: again because that's a love hate kind of thing that

360
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,399
Speaker 3: he's got in his head for years, call her maggot.

361
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,119
Speaker 3: So you're gonna sue her for defamation, you know. And

362
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,119
Speaker 3: you've got You've got Pete Heggstath not wanting to be

363
00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,800
Speaker 3: covered by the press because he doesn't think they make

364
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,560
Speaker 3: him look good enough in his photographs. This is an

365
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,040
Speaker 3: administration and you have Brendan Carr threatening networks that don't

366
00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,840
Speaker 3: cover stories the way they want them covered. This is

367
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,159
Speaker 3: an administration that has a very thin skin. Yeah, and

368
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,199
Speaker 3: so it wouldn't shock me if they tried to make

369
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:42,159
Speaker 3: an example out.

370
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,560
Speaker 1: Of Tucker, right. And then the other point. I think

371
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:50,399
Speaker 1: the other point here is that Tucker is a real

372
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:56,880
Speaker 1: is a real adversary of Trump. Right. He pushes at Trump,

373
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 1: he would like to be the heir parent to Trump.

374
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 3: Discuss Tucker represents the future of the gop MAGA movement,

375
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 3: and a lot of people go, oh, no, that's impossible.

376
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 3: It's got to be Trump, or it's some Trump designee,

377
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 3: or it's going to be Marco or I disagree. I

378
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:23,199
Speaker 3: think that Tucker Carlson has a has a resonance with

379
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 3: the growing number of eighteen to forty year old Republican

380
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 3: men who have grown up in the Joe Rogan Tucker

381
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 3: Carlson podcast verse who are into this alt right thing,

382
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 3: whether they whether they say it that way or not,

383
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 3: some of them and they range from I don't like

384
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,639
Speaker 3: women telling me what to do. I hate the woke,

385
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,959
Speaker 3: so that Hitler wasn't such a bad fellow, Yeah, you know,

386
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 3: and I think Tucker has a lot of power with

387
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,680
Speaker 3: those people, and I think if he does decide to

388
00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 3: run for president, it would threat it would be something

389
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,159
Speaker 3: in a primary that would drive the rest of the

390
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 3: MAGA GOP further to the right.

391
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 5: Yeah.

392
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 3: I don't even want to say right anymore. It's just

393
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 3: like sane versus insane, but further crazy. And I think

394
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 3: I think it would. It would be in some ways,

395
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:22,199
Speaker 3: like twenty and fifteen and sixteen, you had a flock

396
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,159
Speaker 3: of respectable Republican candidates who were all very talented at

397
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 3: what they were doing. A lot of smart guys in

398
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 3: that list, and Trump came in as the big disruptor

399
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 3: and blew them all away. I think you could end up,

400
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,159
Speaker 3: Oh there's JD. Vance. Oh there's there's Josh Hawley. Oh

401
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 3: there's Marco Rubio. Oh there's Ted Cruz. And you could

402
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 3: end up with a Tucker coming in and saying here's

403
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 3: a grenade and stepping out of the room.

404
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 1: Exactly. Doesn't Tucker and JD Vance pull from the same group, really, JD.

405
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 3: I think JD Vance is a declining stock right now.

406
00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Jdvan. That's a wonderful, wonderful thought. Let's

407
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 1: talk about JD. Vance and the war and Iran, because

408
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 1: it feels like he will defend anything. He will defend

409
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 1: like forty year olds doing a Nazi group chat. But

410
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,919
Speaker 1: he seems like he's not defending this.

411
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,199
Speaker 3: You know that we've seen two stories leak now that

412
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 3: Vance was had had different views on the conduct of

413
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 3: the war from the beginning. He had given me the

414
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 3: subtle shit you've ever seen. Okay, And it goes back

415
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 3: to a rule that Karl Rove said one time way

416
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 3: back in the day, and it was that bad white

417
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 3: houses just leak. Good white houses leak on purpose. Jade

418
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 3: Vance is in a bad white house. It's leaking crazily.

419
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 3: Everybody's everybody's trying to get daylight, including the Joint chiefs

420
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 3: of Staff, including the professional military commanders in the theater.

421
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 3: Everybody's trying to get daylight on Trump and Hegsteth right now,

422
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 3: and Rubio and even Ruby. I was trying to get

423
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 3: some daylight on all this stuff because trying to change

424
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 3: the subject to Cuba and move on from a wrong

425
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 3: which ain't gonna happen.

426
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: Amazing.

427
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 3: So I think you're in a weird box right now

428
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:15,439
Speaker 3: where Vance recognizes that a big part of his potential

429
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 3: coalition in twenty twenty eight are isolationists or they are

430
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 3: in that weird Eldridge Colby pro China thing. Right, I

431
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 3: don't know, he is square that fricking circle. And and

432
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 3: so I think that there's a weird, a weird Vancian

433
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 3: headspace that he's got, Like I can talk my way

434
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 3: out of this. I can pretend I was the smart

435
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 3: guy and the sane guy in the room and let

436
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,239
Speaker 3: Trump take the beating on this. In the future. I

437
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 3: can say I can use this can. He's also thinking

438
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 3: I can use this to cock block Hegseth and Marco

439
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 3: from power on foreign policy matters.

440
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:00,479
Speaker 4: Us.

441
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 3: I don't have a team of rivals people. This is

442
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 3: a team of wild rabbid weasels in a garbage can fighting.

443
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: The speaking of which I would love to talk about.

444
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 1: Why this crew is such a disaster, Because like people

445
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 1: are waiting for the oil markets to owe a good book.

446
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: Yes there's been this weekend, there was like two hundred

447
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: dollars a barrel oil batted around. You know, the streets

448
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 1: of Permouth are basically ostensibly closed unless you're Chinese Chinese ship. Yeah,

449
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: they're doing yeah, so it does strike me. And Trump's

450
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: big solution was to end sanctions on Russian oil.

451
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 3: And I actually, by the way, I don't know if

452
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 3: Russia exists right now because in the streets of Moscow,

453
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 3: right there's no Internet. And apparently before we came on

454
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 3: the show, I saw something in the Financial Times like

455
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 3: there have been troops deployed now in Moscow in the

456
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 3: Ring Road areas. Wait, miss cooking, and it's probably not good.

457
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: My favorite part of this whole story, I'm telling you

458
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: is that I watched a Goldman Sachs analyst like melt

459
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: down about the oil situation.

460
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 3: I saw him the other day and I got to

461
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 3: tell you, I asked somebody about him. I'm like, is

462
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 3: this guy like legiting is because oh no, no, that guy

463
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 3: is probably the most knowledgeable person in the world about

464
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 3: oil markets and oil Futureskay.

465
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: You can only do two million barrels a day? You

466
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: see him just like sweat.

467
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 3: It's like the math, the math of it is so

468
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 3: fucking brutal.

469
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: Right, he said it's gonna take two hundred days to

470
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: get back online, and well that's.

471
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 3: Just a round election time, Molly, Yeah, I mean it

472
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 3: just the American people love nothing more than paying their

473
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 3: Trump gas tax.

474
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, a summer phil with six dollars seven dollars gasoline.

475
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: People are gonna it's gonna be like being It's actually

476
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: going to be like being in Europe.

477
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and those and those summer plane rides, y'all

478
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 3: were thinking about taking those tickets that are one thousand

479
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 3: dollars now are going to be thirty five hundred.

480
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's just an incredible, incredible way to run a country.

481
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 3: And all this crap molly about like, oh, we're gonna

482
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 3: find ways to bring the oil price down. We're going

483
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 3: to talk to the producers here in America. We're going

484
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 3: to do this, make them do that. I'm like, Okay,

485
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 3: that's all find and good congrats, But did you did

486
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 3: you ever think that you might want to not start

487
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,239
Speaker 3: a war, that you didn't have a plan to keep

488
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 3: the straits open without.

489
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 4: Something?

490
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 1: But imagine if Harris had been like, you know, we're

491
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:50,719
Speaker 1: gonna have price controls on oil, like, we're not going

492
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 1: to go for this capitalism streamed.

493
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 3: It's full communism, I mean.

494
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: But also they the reporting this weekend, three weeks into

495
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: the war, that nobody knows why we're fighting Uh. My

496
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: favorite part of the story is like they had no

497
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: plans for the Straits, and everyone said, you're gonna have

498
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: this problem with the Straits and removes everyone for every

499
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, everyone, anyone who's ever read the economists said this,

500
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: and then they had no plan.

501
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 3: I can tell you something I know from experience. You

502
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:31,959
Speaker 3: can look from UEE across the Strait, not a clear day,

503
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 3: and it's often it's often hazy, but you can see

504
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 3: across it. That is not an area that you easily

505
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 3: that you have a lot of running room, because the

506
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 3: only thing that it takes to put one of those

507
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 3: five hundred dollars sea mines that can blow up a

508
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 3: billion dollar ship is some asshole on a jet ski

509
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 3: or a speedboat runs out and dumps it in the water.

510
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 3: And believe me, they're gonna have a lot of assholes

511
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 3: willing to go out and dump mines in the in

512
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 3: the in the in the in the Strait, because that

513
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 3: is Iran's power. Now. Now, of course, we've also got

514
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 3: a marine unit going from Asia over there, and nine

515
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 3: days from now they will arrive, and apparently Trump wants

516
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 3: them to take over carg Island, as I call it

517
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 3: Hot Greenland.

518
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: Okay, so explain.

519
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 3: It is the main oil terminal in for Iran. It's

520
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 3: in the Northern Persian Gulf. It is a about ten

521
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 3: thousand people lived there, flown over it before. It's a

522
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 3: it's a big oil tank facility. They pipe oil out

523
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 3: to it to these big, big storage units, big storage drums,

524
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: and then that gets loaded onto tankers. Tankers then move

525
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 3: from there. Like ninety percent of Iran's oil goes through

526
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 3: carg Island. That's their central oil terminal. It would be

527
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 3: like Houston for US. Okay, it's very important. Trump it

528
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 3: seems to think he's going to take it and and

529
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 3: then make Iran surrender. I guess I think this is

530
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 3: a recipe for two thousand marines to get trapped on

531
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 3: an island, to get murdered by cruise missiles. Because if

532
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 3: you if you're telling Iran we're going to destroy your

533
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 3: regime or or unless you surrender, will destroy your oil,

534
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 3: trauma will be like, oh, you're going to kill us anyway,

535
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 3: so why not? Yeah, and death more than we love life.

536
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: And that gets us to the real worry that I

537
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: think everyone has here is does this become a ground war?

538
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 3: Look, Molly, if it does become a ground war. And

539
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 3: I said this from the beginning. I said, this is

540
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 3: the first time we talked about this. Iran cannot beat

541
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 3: us in the air, and they cannot beat us on

542
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 3: the sea, but that we can't beat them on the ground.

543
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's a humongous country, for like.

544
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 3: Ninety million people in a country the size of Texas, Folks, Yeah,

545
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 3: it is. It is going to make f Gghanistan look

546
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 3: like a cakewalk.

547
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

548
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 3: And and remember in Iran, they are the religious fanaticism

549
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 3: of the regime is built into the culture top to bottom.

550
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 3: Not everybody wants to live in that world, but but

551
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 3: millions and millions and millions of Imagine if you went

552
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 3: to if somebody invaded America and they're like, we love

553
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 3: everybody except the MAGA voters. What do you think the

554
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 3: MAGA voters would do. They would find like tooth and

555
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 3: nail to survive. Yeah. And the Iranian version of MAGA

556
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 3: are the moahs and the terrorists, and they are going

557
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 3: to fight like hell to survive. They're gonna do whatever

558
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 3: they can. And as military planners always say, they get

559
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 3: a vote.

560
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is a.

561
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 3: Ground war is a bad, bad, bad bad super bad, bad,

562
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 3: bad bad idea. And I'm saying this.

563
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I know. Well, I mean the best moment

564
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: of the whole weekend is John Bolton being like, whoa right?

565
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: Like is all he's ever wanted this? He was paid

566
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: by the Shaws people. Yeah, and he's like, oh, I

567
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: don't know, It's.

568
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 3: Like maybe we ought to walk this one a little

569
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 3: slower there, Chief, What do you think? Yeah? And I've

570
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 3: known John for a very long time, and I've known

571
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 3: about this. I've known that this has been an aspirational

572
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 3: goal for a very long time. But and I look again,

573
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 3: I want to say this one more time. I feel

574
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: like I feel stupid having to say it. No one's

575
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 3: being an apologist for the Iranian regime. Nobody wants the

576
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 3: mulas to be like in charge of people and hang

577
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,959
Speaker 3: gay people from cranes and make women wear burkas. Nobody

578
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 3: wants that. But the alternative is not free and democratic Iran.

579
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 3: The alternative is Trump's trying to make a deal to

580
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 3: make them give him a cut of their oil rev

581
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 3: and then he'll declare victory and go away.

582
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think it's important to just point out

583
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: as we are almost done, but no one that what

584
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: they did in Venezuela was not free the Venezuelans. What

585
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: they did was put the vice president in charge.

586
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 3: If you read that Times piece that it was a

587
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 3: Chevron executive who came up with the plan. Yeah, instead

588
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 3: of going to the pro democratic side, the Chevron executive

589
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 3: came up with a plan because they knew they could

590
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 3: make a deal with Delsea Rodriguez and the Massuro regime

591
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 3: which is still in charge of Venezuela.

592
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: But the good news is that Donald Trump did in

593
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: fact get that peace prize.

594
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 3: You know, the FIFA Peace Prize is a is a

595
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 3: highly desirable peace prize. Next year it's probably gonna have

596
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 3: to be like the Chick fil A Peace Prize because

597
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 3: even FIFA can't stand this level of embarrassment.

598
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: Well, we'll see, Rick Wilson. Congresswoman Melanie Stansberry represents New

599
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: Mexico's first congressional district. Welcome, Welcome, Congresswoman.

600
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 4: It's great to be here.

601
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: So I have been interested in having on for a

602
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: long time because of what you've been doing. You were

603
00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: on the original Doge Committee to Weapons highs Government, even

604
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: when special government employee Elon Musk was on it. Whatever

605
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 1: they did there was wild I mean, does that still exist?

606
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: Just catch me up on that.

607
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 4: Just to clarify, I was not a part of DOGE.

608
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: I was, no, I know, you were part of DOGE oversight.

609
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was the highest ranking Democrat and the Congressional

610
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 4: Oversight Committee. But yeah, I mean, you know, Dotch never

611
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 4: really existed outside of Elon Musk's brain. That he came

612
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 4: into government in this whirlwind of illegal activity and stolar

613
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 4: data and mass fired people and sent his hackers into

614
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 4: all the agencies. But yeah, I mean some of those

615
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 4: DOGE people are still there. But I would say by

616
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 4: and large, this administration has pretty much renounced the whole

617
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 4: DOGE experiment. And I mean if you look at any agency,

618
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 4: whether it's Department of Defense, which it was just revealed

619
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,439
Speaker 4: that the secretary spent ninety three billion dollars on King

620
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 4: Crab and stakes, to you know, the stealing of social

621
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 4: Security data, to Christy Nome buying a private jet so

622
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 4: she could travel across the country. The entire thing was

623
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 4: a farce.

624
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: Yes, And in fact, they've had to rehire some people, right.

625
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely, yeah, I mean because of how they executed DOJ.

626
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 4: It was so massively illegal that there have been hundreds

627
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 4: of lawsuits that had basically resulted in court orders to

628
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 4: reverse much of the harmful damage that they did, and

629
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 4: a lot of people, thousands of people have been ordered

630
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 4: to be rehired.

631
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: Besides that, the government on its own has come to

632
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: the decision that they need some of those people back too. Right.

633
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, the idea of making government more lean and transparent

634
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 4: and effective is a good idea. It has everything to

635
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 4: do with execution, right, And had the intent from the

636
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 4: beginning actually been to really improve the federal government, they

637
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,720
Speaker 4: would have spend some time to understand how these agencies

638
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 4: actually they work, what they do, why the certain things

639
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 4: that they do is important.

640
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 3: You know.

641
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 4: I was just on my way back to do this interview.

642
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 4: I was listening to MPR, and MPR is confirming as

643
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 4: of the last couple of hours that it was indeed

644
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 4: an American bomb that killed one hundred and seventy school

645
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 4: children in Iran, and DoD is investigating why they targeted

646
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 4: that location. And it turns out because the Secretary of

647
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 4: War fired all these employees who actually worked in the

648
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 4: office that was supposed to make sure that they weren't

649
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 4: targeting civilian infrastructure and so those are the kind of

650
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 4: casualties of DOJE that they didn't even understand what these

651
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 4: agencies did. And now you have one hundred, you know,

652
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 4: one hundred and seventy school children and teachers dead as

653
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 4: a result of it.

654
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll be curious to see what function AI

655
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: played in all of that too, because I know this

656
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 1: DoD or as we call it now, the Department of War,

657
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: which seems very aft, has been experimenting with AI, right. Yeah,

658
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: So I would love you to talk about where we

659
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: are right now with the Ebstein files stuff. Because James Comer,

660
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: who is the head of Oversight, was on I'm sure

661
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: you've seen this clip on Fox News and he was

662
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: talking to Jesse Waters and Comer said the federal government

663
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: had asked New Mexico to stop their investigation. And I

664
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: actually talked to Raoul Torres about this too, and he said,

665
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: I believe that was back in twenty nineteen. Waters said,

666
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 1: what branch Comber said, the DOJ, So that would be

667
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: the Trump DOJ.

668
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 4: Can we talk about this, Yeah, of course. So I

669
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 4: don't watch as a general matter the Jesse Watter. No,

670
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 4: But what I can't say is that, yes, part of

671
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 4: the overall investigation that we're doing here in New Mexico.

672
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 4: We just launched a bipartisan truth Commission to understand and

673
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 4: to potentially prosecute crimes that were never prosecuted that Epstein

674
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 4: and his associates committed here in New Mexico. But the

675
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 4: other piece of it is to understand why there was

676
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 4: a failure in the justice system, because there were reports

677
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 4: to the FBI and local law enforcement going back to

678
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 4: the mid nineties that Jeffrey Epstein had sexually abused girls

679
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 4: in New Mexico. In fact, we know that Annie Farmer

680
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 4: had filed her FBI complaint as early as nineteen ninety six,

681
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 4: and there were other complaints filed through the Santa Fe

682
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 4: Police as well as our state authorities, and New Mexico

683
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 4: was conducting its own investigation into various crimes, and for

684
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 4: whatever reason, in twenty nineteen, the US Department of Justice

685
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 4: essentially asked New Mexico to stop investigating. And as it's understood,

686
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 4: they were asked to transmit all of the case files

687
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 4: that they had been managing regarding these crimes to the

688
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 4: federal DOJ. But not only did they ask them to

689
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 4: stop investigating, It's unclear whether the federal DOJ did anything

690
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 4: with these files, and these files have not been disclosed

691
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 4: as part of the Federal Epstein Files Transparency Act, and

692
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 4: so clearly there's still a cover up happening. We don't

693
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 4: know why Trump's DOJ asked New Mexico to stop investigating.

694
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 4: So there's so many unanswered questions in this case. And

695
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 4: you know, the miscarriage of justice that happened, whether it

696
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 4: was in Florida and New York and New Mexico, has

697
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 4: so many layers to it. You know, New Mexico's doing

698
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 4: its part, and our state Department of Justice and our

699
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 4: legislature are investigating these crimes and we will pursue justice.

700
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 4: And in fact New Mexico is acting where the federal

701
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 4: government has failed.

702
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: You will be able to search the house, right, the farms,

703
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: or orand so as.

704
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 4: Of Monday, the State Department of Justice did begin searching

705
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 4: the physical property of Zoro Ranch. The question that is

706
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 4: ready is why was it never searched while it was

707
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 4: still owned by Epstein or his estate. In fact, when

708
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 4: in twenty nineteen, when Epstein was arrested, the FBI issued

709
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 4: search warrants for his other properties, but they never searched

710
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 4: Zoro Ranch, even though there were known crimes to have

711
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 4: been committed there. That property has now been sold and

712
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 4: in fact, strangely, it was bought by a Trump ally

713
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 4: and donor, this guy Heffins, who's running for state comptroller

714
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 4: in Texas and whose son works in the White House.

715
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: Yes, who is.

716
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 4: Reportedly turning Zoro Ranch into a Christian retreat, which is

717
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 4: a whole other weird side to this story. But as

718
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 4: of Monday, our state DOJ was physically on the property,

719
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 4: searching and treating it as a crime scene.

720
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: It is, however, six years later.

721
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 4: I mean, if you think about some of these crimes

722
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 4: were reported in nineteen ninety six, so this is thirty

723
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 4: years later, and so we don't know to what extent

724
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 4: there's still evidence, physical evidence on the property.

725
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: Right now. Oversight has do a really good job pushing

726
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: on the Epstein files. I think it feels as if

727
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: Garcia has really been that's you know, the ranking member

728
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: has been really focused on getting these hearings, getting these depositions,

729
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: and it feels like Comer is, despite all of the

730
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: partisanship in the Republican Party, kind of open to it.

731
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: I know, you have a list of more people. You

732
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: guys are about to talk to, Oversight is about to

733
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: talk to. I wonder if you could tell us, like

734
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: where you think it is right now, where oversight is,

735
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: and also what you'd like to see more of, and

736
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: so go from that, and then I have more questions.

737
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean what I'd like to see more of

738
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 4: is accountability of the administration, because we have not only

739
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 4: passed a law now which the President signed himself, requiring

740
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 4: that they disclose all of the Epstein files, in which

741
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 4: they haven't released even half of, but also we subpoena

742
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 4: those files last summer and they haven't even begun to

743
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 4: comply with the subpoena. And the subpoena is much more

744
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 4: all encompassing than even the Epstein Files Transparency Act. So

745
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 4: the administration is breaking the law. And even though I'm

746
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 4: grateful that we have bipartisan cooperation on calling these depositions

747
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 4: and subpoena ing both witnesses and documents, they have up

748
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 4: until now not been willing to hold the administration's feet

749
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 4: to the fire to actually make them comply with the law.

750
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 4: The one development this week that I think is an

751
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 4: important development, as Nancy Mace offered a vote on a

752
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 4: subpoena of Pambondi, and that pass with the bipartisan support,

753
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 4: and so pam Bondi is now going to be deposed

754
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 4: by the Committee in our investigation into her handling of

755
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 4: the case. And that's important because it's not your typical

756
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 4: hearing in front of the public. In fact, this will

757
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 4: be an actual deposition on the record, and ultimately it

758
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 4: will be made public. But the point is that we're

759
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 4: conducting oversight in her handling, and I believe at the

760
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 4: end of the day, her handling of this case and

761
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 4: her complete mismanagement and cover up this case, will be

762
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 4: the end of her career at DOJ. I genuinely believe that.

763
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 4: I think that there is support on both sides of

764
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 4: the aisle to hold her in contempt, and ultimately I

765
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 4: think the calls for her to leave will continue to grow.

766
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 4: But in terms of the overall investigation, you know, this

767
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 4: case is vast. It spans decades, it spans over a

768
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 4: thousand victims, it spans multiple administrations, it spans multiple states,

769
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 4: and I think at the end of the day, the

770
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 4: fundamental question is how did Jeffrey Epstein and his associates

771
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 4: and his friends who engaged in sexual abuse of miners

772
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 4: and women for decades go unprosecuted, And who is responsible

773
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 4: and culpable for the miscarriages of justice that happened at

774
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 4: the state level, at the federal level, who buried this case?

775
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 4: Why are they still not investigating these crimes. Why is

776
00:43:55,480 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 4: the DOJ covering for perpetrators that were reported to committed

777
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 4: abuse by survivors, and why have these crimes not been prosecuted?

778
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 4: And so, you know, in our overall effort in this case,

779
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 4: I think we're both trying to investigate why this case

780
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 4: was never fully investigated and prosecuted, whether or not they're

781
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 4: individuals who are perpetrators that can still be held accountable,

782
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 4: and to really seek justice and change to the system

783
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 4: that failed these survivors for decades, because at the end

784
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 4: of the day, like this is going to keep happening,

785
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 4: right if rich and powerful men are able to get

786
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 4: away with committing crimes by you know, giving payoffs and

787
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 4: asking their friends to bury cases. And so I know,

788
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 4: certainly here in New Mexico, we're looking at changing the

789
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 4: statute to limitations and other laws that allowed Jeffrey Epstein

790
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 4: to slip through the cracks and that's what we ultimately

791
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 4: will have to do at the federal level as well.

792
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I actually wanted to ask you about

793
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: that because I it does seem to me when you

794
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: talk to these victims and their survivors are not but

795
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: the survivors. I mean, I talked to me Farmer recently

796
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: and she just she had come forward in nineteen ninety five.

797
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: And then I talked to Danny Balski, who was abused

798
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: in two thousand and five. So that was years and

799
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: years of abuse that could have been stopped had the

800
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: FBI just listened to women. I wondered if, like the

801
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: sea change that I think could happen with this would

802
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: be this idea that the FBI changes the way they

803
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: listened to women, right.

804
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, the FBI, to its credit, did take

805
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 4: complaints and statements, but the problem is the federal government

806
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 4: didn't prosecute so the I mean, certainly there's always room

807
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 4: for improvement within the FBI, but the real miscarriage of

808
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 4: justice happened in the Department of Justice, and kind of

809
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 4: the original sin goes back to the original Florida case,

810
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 4: where you know, local and state authorities were going to

811
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 4: prosecute Jeffrey Epstein. Then the US Department of Justice stepped

812
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 4: in and said, actually, we're going to prosecute. A case

813
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 4: was prepared, the line attorneys recommended that they prosecute and

814
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 4: put them away for decades. And then you have Alex Acosta,

815
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 4: who is the US Attorney at the time, step in

816
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 4: and say, actually, no, we're not going to prosecute this case.

817
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 4: And you know, I think we have not gotten to

818
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 4: the bottom of what happened that made him make that decision.

819
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 4: But I suspect that if you follow the money, ultimately

820
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 4: we will find out that something something happened or was

821
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 4: exchanged that gave him that impetus. But it wasn't just him, right,

822
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 4: because the FBI and DOJ had these case files for years,

823
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 4: and it wasn't until the case was reopened in twenty

824
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 4: nineteen after Miami Herald journalists brought this issue back forward

825
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 4: and Acosta was now a Cabinet secretary, that they even

826
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 4: began investigating again. And what's strange to me is that

827
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 4: they prepared a trial for Jeffrey Epstein, which he never

828
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 4: stood for because he died in jail. GILLEI Maxwell was

829
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 4: ultimately prosecuted, But there are potentially dozens of perpetrators in

830
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 4: the files that were never fully investigated, and so why

831
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 4: is the DOJ still sitting on those files and not

832
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 4: prosecuting those crimes. So, you know, the continued miscarriage of

833
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 4: justice is continuing to happen, but it more sits squarely

834
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 4: with the Department of Justice, whose job it is to

835
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 4: prosecute these crimes.

836
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you. Congresswoman.

837
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 3: M Hm, no moment, Rick Wilson, Okay, Molly, what is

838
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 3: your moment of fuckery? You know, my moment of fuckery

839
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 3: is that the Kennedy Center is about to be demolished

840
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 3: by the Trump administration and that one of the most

841
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 3: egregious trolls in the Trump universe has been and now

842
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 3: and remains, Rick Renell. And Rick Renell has managed to

843
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 3: nate the Kennedy Center, turning it into a kid rock

844
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 3: style maga version of Branson, like a dinner at theater

845
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 3: and it's dying and it didn't work. You know why

846
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 3: people want to come to the Kennedy Center, to apologies

847
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 3: to Timothy Shallow, may see things like the ballet and

848
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 3: the opera. And Rick Renell thought they wanted to see

849
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 3: like the what. I don't know, the fucking pigeon Forge

850
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 3: banjob singers, I don't know. Right, the thing Maga wants

851
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 3: and the thing Trump wants about culture, they're even different

852
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 3: between them. And there's a big part of that movement

853
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 3: that believes there should be like an official American culture.

854
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 3: It's not the version that the Kennedy Center has fostered

855
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 3: over sixty plus years of being a hub of culture

856
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 3: in this country.

857
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: You can't move NASCAR into the Kennedy Center.

858
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 3: No, No, They're not going to be a monster truck

859
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 3: show in the Kennedy Center Monday Sunday Sunday at the

860
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 3: Kennedy Center. That kind of thrills and spills the fans

861
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 3: want to see that here.

862
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: You know, when you have all these members of the

863
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 1: Trump FBI, like Cash Battal Jazz doing UFC and UFC

864
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 1: not for the Kennedy Center.

865
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 3: No, not for the Kennedy Center. And Grenelle's out. But

866
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 3: he's probably going to go on to poison some other

867
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 3: cultural institution in DC. But I honestly believe Trump will

868
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 3: order the destruction of the Kennedy Center this summer because

869
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:16,959
Speaker 3: he just does it.

870
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: It's what he does, and why not?

871
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 3: So why not do you want? What are we going

872
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 3: to stop him?

873
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: It's certainly not going to be used for anything cultural.

874
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 3: Look, I wanted to be distracted by the Kennedy Center

875
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 3: so he doesn't one day wake up and go, Pete,

876
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 3: how do I do those bombs again? How do I

877
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 3: launch this missus again? I want to see the pretty fireworks.

878
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 3: Rick Wilson Quai Duck Fast.

879
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in

880
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday to hear the best

881
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: minds and politics make sense of all this chaos. If

882
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 1: you enjoy this podcast, please send it to a friend

883
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: and keep the conversation going. Thanks for listening.

884
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 4: S