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A couple of talking points out 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:21.600 of that couple of things to highlight. 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:22.680 We'll start Clue me in. 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:24.399 Do you want to start with. 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:27.200 Running backs, you start clude out. I don't think you're 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:28.000 ever clued out. 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:29.080 I didn't listen this morning. 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:30.640 Oh then you clued out. 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:34.880 We get we got you covered. Got the one thing 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:37.560 that or the number one thing that I thought stuck 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:39.759 out to me was And it was a phenomenal question 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:40.440 from Bobby. 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:42.840 Bobby Belt asked it on one O five through the Fan. 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:48.320 And he was asking, does the significant injuries to guys 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:52.040 like DeMarcus Lawrence, Michael Parsons, de Ron Bland, does that 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:55.520 change the way that you evaluate a head coach going 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:58.560 into his final year of the contract, which is I mean, 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:00.960 that's the fact of what my party is facing here 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:04.720 is his final year of his contract. And Jerry's answer 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:08.000 was intriguing in the fact that he basically said, if anything, 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:10.440 it helps the evaluation. 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:12.840 It doesn't give him a pass. 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:15.680 He said, it's a part of the game as much 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:19.119 as a kickoff is. He said, there's no pass whatsoever. 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:24.400 If anything, you either are you aren't. We've got to 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:27.080 move forward depending on whatever's best for this football. 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:32.280 It was interesting answer, but then my interpretation of it 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:36.480 made it make sense, because you want your coach is 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:38.880 an approve it year and what you don't want is 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:40.800 to lose any of your talent to injury. 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:43.840 You just don't want that. Period. But the sun is 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:44.679 going to rise. 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:48.359 In the west instead of the east rising the sets. 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:49.480 In the west. 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:50.240 Yeah, so. 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:55.920 See clue out when you look at it from that capacity, 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:56.560 it's going to happen. 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:58.520 It's inevitable, like thanos. 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:02.120 And you want to see how your coach handles that 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:04.880 level of adversity, right, And this is when you talk 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:05.440 about injuries. 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:07.040 Yeah, the Cowboys have had injuries before. 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.240 They had they lost Trevon Diggs, but then they had 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:12.760 Stefan Gilmore who was fortuitously here, right, And that's just 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:14.920 one example of you know, you lose this guy, but 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:17.240 you got that guy. They haven't lost Michael Parsons for 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:19.600 any period of time over the last three seasons, including 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:22.760 this one, with the exception of that one game due 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:26.680 to COVID. But now you're looking at Parsons and Tank 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:29.360 possibly being out. You're looking at Deron Bland is not 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:31.320 back yet, and Caitlin Carson we don't know if he's 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:32.800 going to be on the field quite yet. So you 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:35.760 have that kind of adversity so forth and so on. 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:39.280 So I mean it's you're about to find out exactly 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:41.720 what kind of coach you have in Mike McCarthy. Not 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:43.360 not just the kind of coach you have when things 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:45.960 are going well, right, but the kind of not just 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:47.680 the kind of coach you have when one or two 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:51.120 things are going wrong, but when a lot of things 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:54.680 start going wrong on the health and injury front. How 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:58.200 can he manage this roster? And you know, then the 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:02.080 question becomes, as Jerry was, as are the Cowboys want 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:04.480 to look outside the building to try to bring in 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:06.800 some guys? Now he was at we talked about this yesterday, 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:10.280 and this is exactly what he ended up saying. Inward 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:13.800 and then they're gonna look inward, and then they're gonna 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:19.080 look at possible like practice squads, and then maybe free agency, 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:21.040 and then trade being the last possible thing. 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:22.640 It just doesn't sound like trade is on the on 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:23.000 the back. 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:25.520 Yeah, I think I wish they would flip the two. 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:26.640 I think that's what we were. 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:28.760 Just talking about yesterday, Like you wish they would flip that. 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:29.880 I wish they would flip it. 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:34.920 And at least for me, it's saying, Okay, michaelccarthy, how 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:37.160 do you respond He's going push your tee on im. 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:39.480 You know what I'm saying, how do you respond to this? 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:42.680 And if it's not well and you you miss the 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:46.840 next two games without Micah and you miss, you lose 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:49.600 the next two games without those two. I feel like 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:54.159 the coaching his the seats will not just be hot, 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:55.000 but infrared. 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:58.640 You know what I'm saying, infra red hot. Ye see 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:01.479 through X ray all sorts exactly. 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:03.400 I just wanted to fit another push reference. 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:04.320 Now that's good, but. 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:06.719 It's one one hand has to watch the other as well, 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:11.839 because a coach is going to be tasked with making 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:16.320 the current roster as great as it can be. But 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:20.760 roster building and your willingness to go into free agency 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:23.200 when it's time, you know, subjectively when it's time to 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:25.040 go in the free agency, maybe your willingness to make 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:29.080 a trade when you have two star edge rushers go down. 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:29.800 Things like that. 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:33.240 I mean, that's going to lend to what the ceiling 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:36.520 is for the roster, for the coach that you're paying 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:38.640 to make that roster as great as it can be. 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:41.479 So both of those things have to work in simpatico. 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:43.440 And that's kind of where I'm standing with it. 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:45.000 Well, Mike Zimmers even said it yesterday. 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:48.120 He was talking about how important depth is to a defense, 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:50.640 and when you lose guys like this, obviously you know 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:52.560 you're looking at it now it's like, oh, yeah, depth 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:55.799 is important, especially when you lose your top two edge rushers. 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:59.320 So now it really is about responding and how you're 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:02.240 able to scheme the guys that you have on the team, 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:05.919 the depth that you do have. But maybe to me 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:08.080 that was a little there. Maybe there's a little more 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:10.440 behind that statement where he's like, you know, depth is 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:11.240 really important. 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:14.080 Yeah, we kind of need it. 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:18.799 Uh My interpretation of it was he's not giving a pass, 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:20.800 which I don't think he should give him a pass. 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.080 In my own this is the NFL. 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:26.039 Injuries happen. You've got to win, whether with what you're given, 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:27.000 regardless or not. 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:30.200 Especially is gonna win a few games without that receiver. 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:33.120 Absolutely, I think they would still. 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:38.640 Well, they also have lost Isaiah Pacheco, They've lost for 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:41.880 she Rice. They're gonna be playing Taylor Swift at wide receiver. 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:44.160 And they might and they'll probably end up making a 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:46.640 tree to They'll do supplement the loss. 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:48.240 They will do something about it. 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:52.440 Yeah, So I think the pass is off the table. 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:55.880 At least that's the way I interpreted it from Jerry Jones. 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:58.480 But I also looked at it as Okay, this is 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:00.880 a tough schedule. We've talked about that multiple times on 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:03.839 this show. Steelers, Lions, forty nine Ers, Falcons, Eagles, Texans 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.560 are your next six games. It does not get much 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:09.600 easier coming up over the next two months of football. 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:13.520 So even without those guys, you have zero excuse going 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:15.600 up against some of the better teams in the NFL. 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:19.480 If you can right the ship, it gives an opportunity. 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:21.240 It could go one way or the other. Of course, 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:24.280 everybody's got their own expectations, but if it goes right 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:26.360 for you, then all of a sudden, I think we 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:29.200 value this coaching staff a little bit better than what 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:30.240 we had previously. 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:32.240 Three straight twelve win seasons. 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.000 The way that Mike McCarthy has led in the regular season, 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.720 it to a certain extents have been undervalued because of. 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:40.160 The lack of postseason success. 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:41.440 But at the end of the day, that's what he 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:43.880 was hired to do, was have postseason success. So I 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:47.200 get the criticism there. The way that they respond without 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:50.040 these key players over the next couple games Steelers, Lions, 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:53.080 forty nine Ers, Falcons, Eagles, Texans, depending on who's missing 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:55.240 for those games, is going to tell you a lot 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:58.040 about how good of a coaching staff and how well 0:07:58.080 --> 0:07:59.120 oiled this machine is. 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:00.360 I agree with you. 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:03.840 If you can win, if you're a Formula one driver, 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:06.679 if you can win your race with your car working 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:09.800 on a fire on all cylinders, everything goes perfectly, which 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:12.800 it rarely does in Formula one. If everything goes perfectly 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:15.200 and you, as a Formula one driver can whin your race, 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:18.360 everybody's applauding because you podium, and as it should be, 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:23.760 because that's extremely difficult to do, especially consistently, right shouts 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:27.320 out the red bull. But if you can win, if 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:30.840 you can podium at F one after tires keep blowing 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:32.880 out every every ten. 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:34.240 Or fifteen laps, or your car is not. 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:37.520 Your car is not very good, and you're you're pushing 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:40.959 that not very good car past cars that are mechanically 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:44.319 superior to yours that particular race, then it's that much 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:47.160 more value to your point. So if the Cowboys and 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:49.560 Mike McCarthy can get through this stretch and after what 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:52.240 we sawget now it's a week the weekly, but the lines. 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:55.040 Wow, okay, So. 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:58.040 If you can get past this stretch the Steelers on 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:00.520 the road, the lines are coming. You're not playing well 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:02.160 at home. And you saw what the lines just did 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:05.800 against the Seahawks eighteen for eighteen, passing for Jerrett Golf 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:09.920 and a touchdown reception. That's why, kiddemy, if they can 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:14.960 get through this stretch with two flat tires. They have 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:17.760 two flat tires right now in the absence of DeMarcus Lawrence. 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:19.400 And we'll see how how long. 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:21.839 We're talking like front, left, front, right, back, right, not 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:26.160 steers one steer okay, one steer one. 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:30.880 Micah is a steer, okay, right, But good news is 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:34.400 is he's still weak the week, so he may may 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:43.240 only miss the Steelers cause you do that so fast, sterity, 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:46.160 So yeah, Michael may only miss the Steelers game. Across 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:48.800 all the fingers toes in your eyes. So you might 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:51.720 be just without one tire, and then it's a matter 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:54.480 of you go into the pit and you start bringing 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:56.719 out replacement tires and hope they can get you through 0:09:56.720 --> 0:09:59.599 the rest of the race, because thankfully it's not the entirety. 0:09:59.200 --> 0:09:59.880 Of the races. 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:01.440 You just got to get through these next six or 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:03.160 seven laps. Yeah, you know what, I like it? 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:06.800 Yeah, I mean I don't. 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:09.040 I don't know, man, I think, especially after that Lion's 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:13.080 performance yesterday, I'm just not looking forward to the schedule. 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:15.280 I'm gonna pick the Lions next week. I'm telling you that, right. 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:17.040 Yeah, that's that's too. 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:19.280 I don't care if the Cowboys beat the Steelers by 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:20.200 forty I'm still proud. 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:22.840 It's still way that they're built. It's the way that 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:25.200 the off that their offense runs in. And they are 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:26.360 not happy with you either. 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:28.640 They're not happy for one. So it's a grudge Max 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:29.800 for not our fault. 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:31.600 They didn't declare him eligible. 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.000 I get it. I don't know, I get it, But 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:44.280 Jim uh, it's it's tough, man. 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:47.920 I just don't think that this team as is without Micah, 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:50.720 without the Marcus Lawrence, I just don't see how it's. 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:51.360 Just rough man. 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:54.160 I think marsh I'm confident that Marshaw Kneeland will step 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:56.840 up and and like I said yesterday, I'm not worried 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:59.360 about Marshaun Kneeling because I don't think there's that much 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:03.240 of a drop off from DeMarcus Lawrence to Marsha Kneelon 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:06.160 in the capacity solely in the capacity of run stopping 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:09.440 on the edge. I think Marshawn Kneeling has that in spades. 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:13.080 But when you add the ability to draw double teams 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:15.280 from you had the ability to disrupt in the as 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:18.200 far as QB pressures are concerned. Even marsha Kneeling yesterday 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:19.640 himself said when we were talking to him in the 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:22.040 locker room, he said that he's trying to get better 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.520 at pass rush. He was asked what aspect of his 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:28.040 game is he is he does he feel he needs 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:30.920 to improve upon going forward and he immediately he was like, 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:32.920 pass rush, I feel like I need to be able 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:33.680 to do more there. 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:34.880 Yeah. 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:37.800 So I could hear Isaiah right now. I know he's 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:40.199 not on the show today, but I could hear him 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:43.360 because he was so critical of Marshaw Kneel in a 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:46.560 training camp of being a twiner. He thinks he's too 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:48.440 big to be an ad rusher, he's too small to 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:52.360 be a defensive tackle. And I could just hear him saying, man, 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:55.440 there's not enough there from a pass rush standpoint for 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:58.000 us to have any sort of confidence in the ad rushers. 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:01.160 And to a certain extent, I agree. I think Marshaw 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:03.520 Kneelan has the ability to edge rush. I saw the 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:07.480 Western Michigan different competition level when you get to the NFL. 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:10.240 But even in the preseason and even in these first 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:14.920 four games or so, he's shown it at times consistently. No, 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:17.600 not really, but he hasn't been asked to do it consistently. 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:20.320 So this is his opportunity show it will now. 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:23.120 But then I think the bigger onus is on a 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:27.120 guy like Chauncey Ghostin, right, because Marshawn Kneelan, while he's 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.000 being asked to step up that much more, he was 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.640 already being asked to step up once Sam Williams went down, 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:34.640 So he's going to see more. But it was interesting 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:38.240 to me in speaking with Mike McCarthy yesterday that you 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:42.560 would think the default answer would be Marshawn Kneelan and 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:45.800 let's see more Carl Lawson. Okay, because Carl Lawson went 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:48.880 from eight snaps his first elevation to twenty three I 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:51.560 think twenty one to twenty three snaps against the New 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:54.320 York Giants, and now you lose Michael Parsons in the 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:56.200 Marcus lunch, She's like, oh, this is what you bought 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:59.840 Carl Lawson in here for well. Mike McCarthy yesterday said 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:04.680 that they're going to lean heavily on Kneeland and Chauncey Gholston. 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:08.360 And I don't disagree. I wanted to put Chauncey back 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:08.600 on it. 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:13.400 And this is such an opportunity for Chauncey Ghosten, and 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:16.120 in so many ways, this is a contract year for him. 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:17.200 Part of why they kept him. 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:20.040 Right, this is exactly this is about to be, if 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:23.960 I'm not mistaken, the single biggest opportunity. 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:25.320 For more reps for him. 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:30.120 Right, He's never had this particular opportunity where they're just 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:32.520 going to PLoP him down as a potential starter and 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:35.520 say go eat right and then rotate loss and in 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:35.959 with him. 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:37.240 I thought it would be the verse. 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:39.280 So for as much as we're talking about the rookie 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:41.840 second round pick who's still getting his learning curve under him, 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:45.000 with Chauncey Ghosten, this is year four and I'm sure 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:46.160 he's loving. 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:47.679 He hates that Micah. 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.080 And tank her down, but you have to love that. 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.160 This is this is your opportunity as an athlete. You say, hey, 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:55.520 I hate that my brothers are injured, but I have 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:56.440 to make the most of this. 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:57.800 Got to make the most of it. 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:01.000 But like, what was your confidence level and Chauncey Golston 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:05.120 going into my problem with I'm not gonna say Pittsburgh, 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:08.320 but like to not to overlook Pittsburgh either, But like, 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:09.640 just going forward, let's just say that. 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:12.400 My problem with Chauncey Gooston hasn't been with Chauncey Golston. 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:16.160 It's been with the utilization of Chauncey Ghosten that's prohibited 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.680 me from knowing what the hell I have fully with 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:21.880 Chauncey Ghoston, if that makes sense. So, because he was 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:24.080 brought in as an edge rusher right enter the league 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:26.040 as an edge rusher, then he was right. Then he 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:28.960 was slid inside right. So now he spent most of 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:32.440 his his NFL's year or career should say, as a 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.920 three tech and kind of you know, mulling the about 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:37.640 there and then they pop him out every once in 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:39.800 a while to the five and things like that. But 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:42.160 for the most part, there's so much dedicated to him 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:44.680 at the three. So now in training camp, they gave 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:48.080 him some more reps at the edge for a situation 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:50.760 such as this that might present itself. But you've not 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:52.600 seen him full time at the edge as a Cowboy. 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:55.280 Now you've not, but you're about to. So I don't 0:14:55.320 --> 0:15:00.040 have enough of his edge ability on film with the 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:03.360 Cowboys to say that I am confident or not confident. 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:05.560 But that's not a knock on him. I can say that. 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:06.920 The sample sizes isn't there. 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:09.080 I can say that he has traded in the right 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:12.600 direction no matter which position they've put him at. But 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:16.280 three tick and five those are two different animals all together. 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:17.040 What about you, Kyle? 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:20.880 He was drafted for this reason. I mean twenty twenty 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:23.800 one draft, same drafts as Micah and Osa, and they 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:25.880 were in that third round together with na Sean Right. 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:28.840 There's a reason he's still on the roster. They've moved 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:32.480 on from nay Sean Right, They've moved on from plenty of. 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:33.840 Guys out of that draft class. 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:37.600 They kept Chauncey Golson around even without the production, even 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:40.240 without the snap counts and really the piece of the 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:42.720 pie that you expected out of a third round pick. 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:44.920 And he kind of hides in the weeds because there 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:46.720 are three third round picks that year, and I think 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:49.960 if it was just him that year in the third round, 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:53.320 I think he would be criticized a little bit more. However, 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:56.720 what you're saying is correct. He's in the building and 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:58.680 they haven't moved on from him because he does the 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:01.800 right things. He's everything they've asked him to do. He's 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:04.800 moved inside, he's moved outside, he's done whatever he can. 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:09.000 And for this fact, he hasn't needed been needed at 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:12.000 the outside of the defensive line at the edge spot, 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:15.040 because you have DeMarcus Lawrence, Michael Parsons has only missed 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:19.640 one game in his career. You had had, you had Dorin, 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:22.160 You had all these guys stacked at the edge. 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:23.600 Rusher spot, so you didn't need him. 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:25.920 You were trying to find a way to fit him 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:30.200 into this whole puzzle. Now you've got a piece for 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:32.200 him in the puzzle and it's where he should fit. 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:36.360 And so I think there's there's hope there from my standpoint, 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:40.080 that he will produce. He'll have some edge rush's, he'll 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:41.680 be able to set the edge, he'll have some pass 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:45.400 rush ability. Do I think he's gonna be DeMarcus Lawrence. 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:45.680 No? 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:49.360 Do I think he holds as much weight and pressure 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:52.960 on his shoulders as a Marshaw Neelan, No? But will 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:56.640 he contribute absolutely, and I think they'll see him rotate 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:58.160 in and out a little bit more so than you 0:16:58.240 --> 0:16:59.440 anticipate going into the week. 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:01.680 I think you're also going to have to get really quickly, Josh, 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:04.480 You're going to have to get a maverick involved here 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:06.120 in the guy like Tyrus Wheat. 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:06.720 Right. 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:09.200 So Tyros Wheat he's on the roster because he's done 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:12.160 so well with special team, Right, but he's an edge 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:14.639 rusher as well. So what kind of contribution cand of 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:16.360 guy like Tyros Wheed give you? 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:16.600 Well? 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:18.720 Yeah, and I was more so going to ask about 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:23.320 pass rush versus run block or run defense, like does 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:24.960 he have like a change? 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:29.359 Yeah, he was better at run defense in college. 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:32.040 I'm trying to remember back. I can find my scouting report. 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:35.760 Uh, he was better as a run stopper on the edge, 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:40.480 but his pass rush ability is minimal. It's very similar 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:42.200 to what marshawn Nealan has. 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:42.600 I think. 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:44.800 I think he's a better run stopper than he is 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:46.800 a pass rusher. I'm going to find my my scouting 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:49.120 report on and obviously the past rush has the last 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:51.120 time we've seen him as a full time edge rusher. 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:53.960 That's fair, And the last time we've well, at least 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:56.000 the last game or the last few games, the pass 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:57.399 rush hasn't been there period. 0:17:57.560 --> 0:17:59.400 Even that that's the concern, even. 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:02.399 With Mike, even with Marcus Lawrence. But the way that 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:05.560 you're kind of building up Chauncey is like, at least 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:09.000 maybe the run defense still holds up like it did 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:09.280 in New. 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:12.000 York, right, And here's where and this is why I 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:14.719 thought that they would lean more on the combo of 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:18.959 Kneeland and Lawson is because while you'll lose some of 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:21.240 that run defense with lost in as far as setting 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:25.159 the edge, you're theoretically gaining the pass rush over what 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:27.760 a guy like Chauncey would give you. Because Carlawston, although 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:30.600 he only had two pressures against the Giants, Cowboys didn't 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:33.119 pressure you know, the Giants, well, they didn't pressure the 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:37.440 Ravens well as we're talking about. But those two pressures 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:42.200 occurred in twenty one snaps, right, Chauncey Ghoston had twenty 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:44.479 three snaps I believe, and he had one pressure. So 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:47.600 granted that particular game is a small sample size, but 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:49.640 when you look at the totality of their career, Carl 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:52.679 Lawson has been a get after the guy quarterback, I 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:54.639 mean get up to the quarterback kind of guy. Whereas 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:57.560 Chauncey Ghoston, what has he been We don't know because 0:18:57.600 --> 0:18:59.720 again he's not been number one, he hasn't had the 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:03.000 opp tunity because the path hasn't been clear for injury 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:06.800 like that, but also insane that it's also true that 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:09.439 they didn't have him on the edge anyway. Right, So 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:12.320 you just you don't know from a pass rush perspective there. 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:16.960 But as it stands, you have a solid edge setter 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:20.240 for the run in Chauncey, and you have an above average, 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:23.760 far above average edge setter against the run in Marshawn Kneeland. 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:27.119 But from a pass rush perspective, from either one of 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:30.160 those guys, if you roll them together in a ball, 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:32.879 you don't have Micah. If you roll them together in 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:35.920 a ball, from a disruption path standpoint, you don't have Tank. 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:38.880 You need you need a Maverick, You need another guy. 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:41.080 It might be Tyres Wheat. Maybe you go like Jerry said, 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:44.240 maybe you go poach somebody off of somebody's practice squad, 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:50.440 whatever the case may be. But as it stands, going 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:53.600 against the next six or seven laps of this race, 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:55.359 that they have to go against I just feel like 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:58.040 you gotta you gotta add another tire. 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:00.679 I think you gotta add another It's hired to pull 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:02.439 it out of the pit, get to the paddock. 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:03.080 Uh. 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:06.919 Lightly recruited out of high school, outworked other higher recruits. 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:09.480 Shocking in any regard based off of what you've seen 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:10.560 over the last couple of years. 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:11.639 Absolutely not. 0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:14.800 And this is this is from him in college, became 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:17.320 a captain and had production with at least eight and 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:19.440 a half tackles for lost in each of the last 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:23.760 three years. Could could improve upon his play strength and 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:27.000 his ability to anchor. However, when setting the edge, he's 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:29.440 strong enough and has some length in order to push 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:32.200 the boundaries of setting the edge. So yeah, better run 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:35.400 stopper than he was a pass pass rusher. And that's 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:37.640 the scouting report from college last time, that he's been 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:38.760 a full time edge rusher. 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:41.359 And with Mazzi coming up coming into coming to fruition 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:44.320 at least in the run defense. I mean, maybe that's 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:48.840 recipe for Yeah, we're not trying to accept expectations here necessarily. 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:50.160 Sure, it's something to look. 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:52.680 Out for, but it goes to what Kyle was asking 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:55.120 yesterday and that you know, what kind of pressure does 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:57.960 this put on the linebackers, because now you have to 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:00.320 figure out how to get how to generate additional pressure 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:02.480 in the past rush yeah, or maybe you don't run 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:05.320 three linebackers, maybe you want run three safeties and Donovan 0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:08.760 becomes more of your downhill you know, blitz package guy. 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:10.800 When he's in, it's definitely a blitz type of thing. 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:14.720 But see then that becomes predictable. 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Give us a call eight eight 0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:56.119 eight eight five five two two nine seven Mike in 0:23:56.240 --> 0:23:59.399 New York is our first caller online. Mike, what's going on, 0:23:59.440 --> 0:23:59.879 my man? 0:24:00.600 --> 0:24:03.840 What's going on? Guys. I was happy you guys got 0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:06.440 your gift on it. I know you guys definitely definitely enjoyed. 0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:08.840 It was awesome to see obviously watching you guys open 0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:11.720 and stuff them. Obviously, I hope you guys obviously enjoyed it. 0:24:11.760 --> 0:24:13.920 That's I know, it's nothing like get something, Oh man. 0:24:13.960 --> 0:24:16.679 I know it's a little different, but so I know 0:24:16.720 --> 0:24:19.560 you guys obviously enjoyed that. But more to the cowboys, 0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:22.560 I think cowboys wish to wish to be a little 0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:25.440 more disciplined on with the flags. I feel like it's 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:27.800 killing us. Man, it's been going on for I don't 0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:29.280 understand with all these penalties. 0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:33.800 That's a great point, Mike. Yeah, we love the the 0:24:34.080 --> 0:24:37.399 hand carved block. I mean, that was really cool. We 0:24:37.440 --> 0:24:41.160 put it back in Beamer's office. Josh has it displayed 0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:42.840 up in the desk so that way, it's close to 0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:43.800 our show every day. 0:24:43.880 --> 0:24:46.720 So we really imaginated displayed. 0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:49.359 But uh, let's talk about the penalties. I think that 0:24:49.480 --> 0:24:51.760 is a great point, Mike. Thanks for the call. As always, 0:24:52.680 --> 0:24:56.280 the penalties are concerning and and Jerry was asked about 0:24:56.280 --> 0:24:58.240 that this morning as well, and he kind of said, 0:24:58.280 --> 0:25:01.000 he was like, we got to find a way to negate. 0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:01.639 Those holding calls. 0:25:01.920 --> 0:25:03.960 He's like, But other than that, I think Tyler Giton's 0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:09.640 been a he called him an excellent rookie. I think 0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:12.320 there's still more to be desired with Tyler Goyiton, which 0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:14.840 is in turn leading to the holding penalties. 0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:18.280 No, of course, and it doesn't help when Tyler Gritton's 0:25:18.280 --> 0:25:21.560 calling out the refs for not being good. Yeah, yeah, 0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:23.800 that's not great because now the microscope is on him. 0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:28.199 John Gotti, John Gotti, Yes, yes, yes, yes. I just 0:25:28.280 --> 0:25:32.040 think that at least with Tyler Goyiton, we kind of 0:25:32.080 --> 0:25:35.720 knew this coming in. We knew the sample size early on. 0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:38.720 You give them some time, man, the ceiling is there. 0:25:38.840 --> 0:25:40.359 And then if you look at the Jets, you look 0:25:40.400 --> 0:25:43.720 at Tyron Smith on the Jets like it's I don't know, man, 0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:45.040 and I hate to say it. I don't want to 0:25:45.040 --> 0:25:46.760 be disparager or anything like that, but he doesn't look 0:25:46.760 --> 0:25:51.120 like the same Tyron Smith. No, So if you'd rather 0:25:51.200 --> 0:25:54.400 have that at the cap that you're going to get 0:25:54.480 --> 0:25:58.080 hit with for Tyron Smith as opposed to a Tyler 0:25:58.119 --> 0:26:01.680 Goyiton that would have to sit this year year behind Tyrons. 0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:04.320 I don't know, man, I'm all. 0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:07.320 For taking that rookie, letting him develop on the field, 0:26:07.560 --> 0:26:09.480 getting those reps in good or bad. 0:26:10.000 --> 0:26:11.040 I think mostly good. 0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:15.040 Tyron allowed a sack and two pressures in their game 0:26:15.080 --> 0:26:18.160 against the he did Broncos, and what an ugly game 0:26:18.200 --> 0:26:18.520 that was. 0:26:20.080 --> 0:26:21.639 They got to get the penalties, and this is a 0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:23.040 state and the obvious of course they got to get 0:26:23.080 --> 0:26:25.480 the penalties in hand. I mean, you had thirteen penalties 0:26:25.800 --> 0:26:28.480 for over one hundred yards against the Ravens. You're not 0:26:28.640 --> 0:26:31.800 just guying you had as a team. You had eleven 0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:34.960 penalties for just under ninety yards against the Giants. And 0:26:35.000 --> 0:26:37.520 keep in mind, these don't include the penalties that were declined. 0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:39.320 These are only the accepted penalties. 0:26:39.480 --> 0:26:39.800 Okay. 0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:44.560 And the other mic, the mic from Dallas spoke yesterday 0:26:44.720 --> 0:26:49.040 about what they need to learn from September going into October, 0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:51.399 and he drew a circle around penalties and this is 0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:53.800 his quote. He said, and quote, we've way too many 0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:56.159 third down penalties, way too many red zone penalties, A 0:26:56.160 --> 0:26:59.159 couple of two minute penalties that affects scoring. It affects 0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:01.400 the opportunity for the offense to have the ball more, 0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:03.520 and that affects the defense being on the field longer. 0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:04.160 End quote. 0:27:04.320 --> 0:27:07.480 So that is definitely a point of inphasis emphasis for 0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:10.919 the Cowboys and Mike McCarthy going into October. They just 0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:12.280 have to figure out a way to clean it up. 0:27:12.280 --> 0:27:15.560 And let's be fair, not all of those penalties are righteous, 0:27:15.640 --> 0:27:18.520 but the ones that are righteous shouldn't be happening, uh, 0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:20.840 to the frequency that they are happening. So when you 0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:22.440 talk about a guy like Tyler Gout, and I don't 0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:25.679 want to single out Tyler Guyton because other guys are 0:27:25.680 --> 0:27:29.200 committing penalties as well. They're you know, when you get 0:27:29.240 --> 0:27:32.000 false starts on the drive and it's just like how 0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:34.560 you know the snap count? Okay, when you're lining up 0:27:34.560 --> 0:27:36.639 off sides, you're like, you know, all you got to 0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:39.919 do is look, yeah, right to the to the to 0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:41.719 the side, yeah, and you see where the ball is. 0:27:41.720 --> 0:27:43.680 Back up, those types of. 0:27:45.160 --> 0:27:47.800 Small discipline things, And I think that harkens back to 0:27:48.000 --> 0:27:50.560 like what a guy like Jordan Lewis said last week 0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:54.400 before the Giants game when he was like details, details, details, details, 0:27:54.400 --> 0:27:58.320 refine your details. But if the Cowboys don't finally, finally, 0:27:58.320 --> 0:27:59.840 and I'm with Mike from New York on this one, 0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:02.640 they don't finally get a handle on these penalties because 0:28:02.640 --> 0:28:06.000 it's something that's been haunting them for seasons now. It's 0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:08.879 going to eventually be the thing, excuse me, one of 0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:10.760 the things that continues to bite them in the back. 0:28:11.000 --> 0:28:11.119 Well. 0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:12.800 And I feel like every year when we get to 0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:16.080 the playoffs, since something does go wrong, which at least 0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:19.679 has been inevitable recently, it's usually a red flag from 0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:23.359 the season and the two losses to San Francisco. 0:28:23.000 --> 0:28:24.920 Underneath Mike McCarthy, it was. 0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:29.560 Penalties, it was turnovers, it was run defense, it was 0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:30.480 all these different things. 0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:33.160 Last year against. 0:28:32.680 --> 0:28:38.160 Yeah, shoot, the last year it was penalties and run 0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:40.160 defense against Green Bay. I mean, it's all these things 0:28:40.200 --> 0:28:41.320 that have kind of lingered. 0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:45.080 Penalties have been very consistent in the Mike McCarthy era. 0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:46.520 Look at it from this point. 0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:49.960 I pulled up my game chart from the Ravens Okay 0:28:50.200 --> 0:28:54.400 Cowboys opening drive. Right, so Cowboys took the ball first. 0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:57.720 On the Cowboys opening drive first, you get a penalty 0:28:57.800 --> 0:29:00.840 holding to Cavante Turpin ten yards. Okay, you're working against 0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:03.040 yourself now you get down the field a little bit. 0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:06.800 Penalty second and nine, holding defense that was on the Ravens, 0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:10.920 the QB conversion by Dak Prescott on second and seven 0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:13.560 that was turned into a first down false start on 0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:16.760 Brevin span four. That was the drive where you had 0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:20.040 a false start on or penalty on both of your 0:29:20.040 --> 0:29:23.200 tight ends, Brevon span four and Jake Ferguson. So I 0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:26.720 sell that to say it's not only Tyler Guiden. It's 0:29:26.760 --> 0:29:29.560 happening across the board, even with names that you wouldn't 0:29:29.560 --> 0:29:31.960 normally hear, like a Jake Ferguson. Right, So Jake didn't, 0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:34.080 if I'm not mistaken, he didn't have any penalties against 0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:36.280 the Giants, and they were ones that argue it should 0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:36.840 have been a holding. 0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:38.360 I didn't see that. It was a bang bang play. 0:29:38.400 --> 0:29:40.320 Let's play football right on that touchdown. 0:29:41.720 --> 0:29:44.400 But bottom line is you can't have these types of 0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:47.240 penalties killing drives. Because that drive I'm talking about the 0:29:47.280 --> 0:29:49.400 opening Cowboys drive. You know how it resulted against the 0:29:49.480 --> 0:29:52.600 Ravens in a punt YEP, that's what happens that drive. 0:29:52.760 --> 0:29:53.400 That's what happens. 0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:57.320 Lee in Dallas is on the line, Lee, what's on 0:29:57.360 --> 0:29:58.440 your mind? Thanks for calling. 0:29:58.960 --> 0:30:02.360 Hey, good morning, guys, Thanks for having me. There's been 0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:04.880 a lot of talking this offensive line and how the 0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:08.440 struggles are and Tyler Goidens having a hard time, you know, 0:30:08.560 --> 0:30:12.840 transitioning to left tackle, and Terrence Steel's having a hard 0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:15.479 time at right tackle coming back from injuries or whatever 0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:19.840 in the season, and it just feels to me, when 0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:22.960 is there a time where we start talking about and thinking, well, 0:30:23.040 --> 0:30:26.960 Tyler Goyiton was a right tackle, his transition to left 0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:30.000 tackle has been a struggle. When do we start thinking 0:30:30.000 --> 0:30:34.080 about putting him back at right tackle if Terren Steel 0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:37.400 isn't playing any better. They talk about getting the best 0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:40.400 five on the field, that's their priority. I think one 0:30:40.440 --> 0:30:42.720 of their best five linemens on the bench in TJ. 0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:43.360 Bass. 0:30:43.800 --> 0:30:46.160 You've got a guy that has spent a season at 0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:49.880 left tackle proven that he's you know, a great player 0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:53.720 at it almost pro bowl level in Tyler Smith. And 0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:57.680 I've thought this from before the season. My starting offensive 0:30:57.720 --> 0:31:01.120 line would be Tyler Smith at left tackle, PJ Batts 0:31:01.120 --> 0:31:04.560 at left guard, Cooper BB at center, Zach Martin at 0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:07.680 right guard, and Tyler at right tackle. 0:31:09.280 --> 0:31:12.840 Interesting, Okay, Lee, I appreciate the call as always and 0:31:13.240 --> 0:31:16.960 I think he's got a point. I don't know if 0:31:16.960 --> 0:31:20.600 it's a point for twenty twenty four. And I've actually 0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:22.880 thought about this too, because Tyler Goiden was much better 0:31:22.880 --> 0:31:25.160 as a right tackle in college and what he was 0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:28.240 able to do. It's a transition period, and Josh you 0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:31.040 pointed that out just a couple moments ago. There's going 0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:33.840 to be a learning curve. We're four games into this 0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:37.680 guy's career. I don't want to completely upend his future 0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:40.520 of what could be your left tackle of the future 0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:42.600 just because of a couple holding calls. 0:31:42.360 --> 0:31:43.440 And a couple of bad games. 0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:48.040 So not yet. I don't know if it's out of 0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:50.960 the question though, because this is another draft class that 0:31:51.080 --> 0:31:54.000 as heavy at left tackle. You could draft again. I 0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:55.560 don't know how many times in a row they're gonna 0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:59.040 have to draft a tackle in the first round of 0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:01.360 the d NFL Draft. You can't do that every year. 0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:04.520 But I don't think it's out of the conversation to 0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:07.120 move guys around. I just think it's out of the 0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:08.840 conversation for twenty twenty four. 0:32:09.160 --> 0:32:10.840 I'll tell you what part of that is out of 0:32:10.840 --> 0:32:14.840 the conversation entirely. For Mike McCarthy, Tyler Smith is not 0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:19.640 moving to left tackle. Tyler Smith is not moving to left. 0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:21.920 See and I agree with that with a part of 0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:25.800 this would be adding another piece, adding a left tackle 0:32:25.840 --> 0:32:28.720 to your roster. If you've got an all pro at 0:32:28.880 --> 0:32:32.040 any of the offensive line possessions that keep him there. 0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:32.960 Correct, do not move. 0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:33.600 He's an All Pro. 0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:37.760 That's the only that's the only flaw, maybe. 0:32:38.120 --> 0:32:40.320 But I don't want to risk it. I don't want 0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:41.160 to mess with it. 0:32:41.320 --> 0:32:45.680 Is one of the only consistent things on your offensive line. 0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:47.720 The only consistent guys on your offensive line would be 0:32:47.760 --> 0:32:51.400 Tyler Smith, Cooper BB at the moment, and Zach Martin, 0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:54.400 which is you know, arguable at this point, at this 0:32:54.440 --> 0:32:56.920 point in time, Tyler Smith has been the most solid 0:32:57.360 --> 0:32:57.760 player on. 0:32:57.760 --> 0:33:00.720 The office be offensive lineman right now, close. 0:33:00.520 --> 0:33:02.000 And he's at left guard. 0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:03.760 Keep him there, keep him there. 0:33:03.840 --> 0:33:06.320 So that for me, that's the only flaw. I see 0:33:06.320 --> 0:33:08.880 the logic and the reason in Lee's argument. 0:33:08.960 --> 0:33:09.320 I see it. 0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:09.760 That's fine. 0:33:10.200 --> 0:33:12.960 But that's that's the flaw, you know, or that's the 0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:14.840 fly in your honey there is that they're not moving 0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:17.720 Tyler Smith to left tackle. So as far as maybe 0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:20.840 twenty five and beyond, let's see, because again, this is 0:33:20.880 --> 0:33:24.320 four games in and it's so early in this young 0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:27.520 man's career to write him off as not having the 0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:31.360 ability to develop and be your future at left tackle, 0:33:31.760 --> 0:33:35.280 just as it's it's difficult to to say, Okay, four 0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:38.880 games in, let's rite off Terrence Steele. 0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:41.280 Let's let this thing play out. Let's let it play out. 0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:43.880 I'm open to the conversation, not with a Tyler Smith 0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:47.200 to left tackle, because no, but let's let this play out, 0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:50.200 and let's let's have this conversation again in March. 0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:54.040 And I don't think Lee is discounting Tyler Guyton. 0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:56.840 As a player he kept. No. No, He's saying that 0:33:56.920 --> 0:34:00.680 he just wants him to fit and he's here believe. 0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:03.760 That he developed better as a starting right tackle than 0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:06.640 left tackle, which could very well could be. But what 0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:08.960 I'm saying the counterpoint is, and not that I'm disagreeing, 0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:11.600 the counterpoint is that it's only four games in. 0:34:11.840 --> 0:34:13.840 So that's why I said, let's let this play. 0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:17.080 Out, and then I'm wildly open to having the conversation 0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:19.440 revisiting this in the off season and after we have 0:34:19.480 --> 0:34:20.280 an entire season. 0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:22.399 I think you need to get us. 0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:25.160 Where that that was exactly. 0:34:25.160 --> 0:34:28.000 It then to your point about just like if if 0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:29.960 you do it now, I think that's just a disservice 0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:32.440 to the entire offensive, the whole offensive line, the offensive 0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:35.080 line as a whole, the chemistry that they've had, the 0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:37.040 reps of that shake up. 0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:40.000 A lot of people would say, Oh, this isn't Madden, right, Like, 0:34:40.120 --> 0:34:42.800 this isn't Madden. I don't think this is a Madden idea. 0:34:42.840 --> 0:34:44.160 I think it's just trying. 0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:46.960 To fit the pieces in the discussion. No, I like it. 0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:49.759 Good, good discussion, Lee, good question. We're going to take 0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:52.040 a break. Doing in Northport, Florida is on the other 0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:54.680 side of that break. We'll talk to him. Keep giving 0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:56.879 us the phone calls eight A eight eight five five 0:34:56.920 --> 0:34:59.560 two two nine seven here on this talking Tuesday with more. 0:34:59.640 --> 0:35:02.840 Right after this, Tod thought it would be secure to 0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:05.520 jog in the cheetah Savannah. Todd believed the big cat 0:35:05.560 --> 0:35:08.800 repellent he bought online was reliable. And now Todd is 0:35:08.840 --> 0:35:10.960 trying to be faster than this cheetah that can run 0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:13.600 eighty miles per hour. 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All right? 0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:31.200 So I saw something cool or I guess not cool, 0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:32.880 actually kind of disturbing this morning. 0:37:33.280 --> 0:37:34.520 I was looking at what a swing? 0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:38.080 This could go a lot of ways? Right, I'm. 0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:40.600 I'm scared. 0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:45.680 So against the Giants. Dak Prestoll was looking at his 0:37:45.760 --> 0:37:48.439 catching chart and only five out of the twenty seven 0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:50.880 pass and tens went for more than ten yards or 0:37:50.920 --> 0:37:53.319 travel more than ten yards. Only two travel more than 0:37:53.360 --> 0:37:56.840 fifteen and going into the game, Uh, you know Dallas 0:37:56.840 --> 0:37:59.320 face light boxes at the third high street. In the NFL, 0:37:59.360 --> 0:38:02.680 Giants eyes are presented light boxes at the highest straight. 0:38:03.040 --> 0:38:04.880 I haven't watched all all twenty two. 0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:06.000 Yeah, I plan to do that today. 0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:08.719 But my logical, guests, based on the historical data and 0:38:08.800 --> 0:38:11.000 just the live watch, is that the Giants are sitting 0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:13.200 back to I Safety is flogging a bunch of lanes 0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:15.879 and people are complaining about you know, Brandon Cooch running 0:38:15.880 --> 0:38:18.560 pitches and all these short routes and stuff, and uh, 0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:20.719 it's all I think stems from the lack of a 0:38:20.760 --> 0:38:22.640 ground game because teams are just sitting back and not 0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:24.360 allowing us to push the ball down the field. 0:38:24.400 --> 0:38:24.640 Right. 0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:29.240 So until Dallas can establish a consistent running attack against 0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:31.759 light boxes and forced teams to put more guys in 0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:33.520 the box, I think you're going to continue to see 0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:34.800 Dallas run these short routes. 0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:39.719 Completely agree, Completely agree, I think. And I've watched the 0:38:39.719 --> 0:38:42.719 all twenty two from Thursday already and a lot of 0:38:42.719 --> 0:38:44.759 too high a lot of too high shell, which of 0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:46.800 course mel Kiper hates now apparently. 0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:51.600 I think that's so silly, that's dumb. 0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:55.239 The big run the football if you if you want 0:38:55.280 --> 0:38:57.760 to ban the too high shell, be the Baltimore Ravens, 0:38:57.840 --> 0:38:59.280 be the Detroit Lions. 0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:01.600 Force him in to say within issue, got into buck. 0:39:01.520 --> 0:39:04.680 Run the ball, And I agree. I think part of 0:39:05.480 --> 0:39:10.640 Dalvin or not Dalvin Cooks Brandon Cook's struggles has been 0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:15.480 because one the separation isn't there from other wide receivers. 0:39:15.480 --> 0:39:18.920 So a lot of people are saying, okay, if jayaln Tolvert, 0:39:18.960 --> 0:39:22.400 Cavante Turpin and all these other guys aren't getting any separation. 0:39:22.760 --> 0:39:25.880 Then we've got to cover CD, we've got to cover Cooks, 0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:27.880 we've got to cover Ferguson, and we should be good 0:39:27.920 --> 0:39:29.839 because they're not going to run the ball. There's no 0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:32.799 threat outside of those three guys on this offense. And 0:39:32.920 --> 0:39:35.799 right now you can even x out number three, you 0:39:35.840 --> 0:39:38.440 can x out Brandon Cooks and at that equation, because 0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:40.840 you can't run the ball, you're gonna see light boxes, 0:39:40.840 --> 0:39:43.520 you're gonna see hefty coverage, and it's going to be 0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:45.080 more for this team to decipher through. 0:39:45.360 --> 0:39:45.959 And that's tough. 0:39:46.000 --> 0:39:47.759 That's tough for a guy like Dak Prescott who was 0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:52.280 having to throw these tight window throws just to get completion, 0:39:52.640 --> 0:39:55.319 just to find somebody, just to find somebody, he's got 0:39:55.320 --> 0:39:57.759 to throw a perfect pass each and every time. Yeah, 0:39:58.520 --> 0:40:00.439 he's not gonna have a Jared Goff like game where 0:40:00.440 --> 0:40:02.520 he goes eighteen for eighteen, you know what I mean. 0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:06.680 It's crazy to me that, uh, the running game is 0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:09.839 with the running backs that you have. Like granted this, 0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:12.279 we talked about it before the season started. Yeah, Zeke 0:40:12.440 --> 0:40:15.120 is not the same Zeke. No, that's no question. It's 0:40:15.160 --> 0:40:18.480 not rookie Zeke. But that is a serviceable running back. 0:40:19.400 --> 0:40:21.640 The fact that we cannot get the ground game running 0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:27.239 with Zeke anybody, anybody, with anybody, it's it's concerning, it's so. 0:40:27.520 --> 0:40:28.760 What So then where's Delvin? 0:40:28.800 --> 0:40:30.360 That was going to be my next question and that 0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:33.120 Jerry Jones conversation to the forefront of your mind where 0:40:33.120 --> 0:40:35.040 you asked sad him instead of Brandon Cooks. 0:40:35.040 --> 0:40:36.240 So the question is where's Delvin? 0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:39.080 Where is so number one sensational take by Dylan Apps 0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:41.440 a freaking loly Oh they got those ball? Yeah, you 0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:42.920 got You gotta run the ball if you want to 0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:45.800 defeat the two high safeties, because you need one of 0:40:45.800 --> 0:40:47.640 those guys to drop down and make a heavier box. 0:40:47.880 --> 0:40:49.600 And if you can't run the ball, then you got 0:40:49.600 --> 0:40:51.000 to deal with that. And it's a lot of underneath 0:40:51.040 --> 0:40:54.520 because even the two touchdowns from Ceedee Lamb, there was 0:40:54.560 --> 0:40:57.359 a shot at one earlier in the season it with miscommunication, 0:40:57.480 --> 0:41:01.520 but that aside, he took that underneath a frozen rope 0:41:01.520 --> 0:41:04.800 through a keyhole from Dak Prescott and Ceedee Lamb made 0:41:05.160 --> 0:41:08.280 both of those touchdowns. Happened after because that was middle 0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:12.920 deep turned into a deep deep touchdown. But where's Delvin 0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:15.600 Jerry Jones this morning on one oh five three, the 0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:18.400 fan said, quote unquote, probably not this week, not this 0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:19.160 Dalvin Cook. 0:41:19.239 --> 0:41:19.680 Last week. 0:41:19.719 --> 0:41:22.800 It wasn't because it was not going to happen because 0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:26.240 per Jerry Jones, short week the week before. It's because 0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:28.840 small sample size with Zeke and Rico w induce and 0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:31.080 they're still trying to figure some things out. Well, now 0:41:31.080 --> 0:41:34.200 you're going into a long week. You got four games 0:41:34.239 --> 0:41:37.520 in and Mike McCarthy himself said yesterday, you know who 0:41:37.560 --> 0:41:41.040 you are after four weeks. Okay, Well, if you know 0:41:41.080 --> 0:41:42.880 who you are after four weeks, then you know that 0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:46.520 you might need some kind of juice injected into the 0:41:46.880 --> 0:41:47.480 rushing attack. 0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:49.240 You're bad at running the football. 0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:52.120 Yeah, John said, it's not it's for those that are asking, 0:41:52.200 --> 0:41:54.439 Jerry said, it's not a physical thing with Delvin Cook, 0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:56.400 they said he looks good. And I can attest to 0:41:56.400 --> 0:41:58.680 this in the aspect of those that I've spoken with 0:41:58.719 --> 0:42:01.040 coaches and other players, they are saying the same thing. 0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:04.879 They're saying Delvin looks good. They're saying his feet are quick, 0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:07.640 they're saying he looks great out there in practice. So 0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:10.520 then that just again begs the question, where is Dalvin 0:42:10.560 --> 0:42:14.920 Cook and when, if ever, this season, when do you 0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:15.600 elevate him? 0:42:15.719 --> 0:42:18.279 Jerry's answer today, and like you said, he gave some 0:42:18.320 --> 0:42:21.200 reasoning behind it. He was talking about looking at the 0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:24.120 season as a whole, and we haven't run the football 0:42:24.160 --> 0:42:26.000 a whole lot the last couple of weeks, which is. 0:42:25.960 --> 0:42:27.160 To a certain extent true. 0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:30.359 I mean, Rico Dowdell was utilized more than anybody this 0:42:30.400 --> 0:42:34.040 past Thursday, and Zeke only saw ten offensive snaps. Ten 0:42:35.400 --> 0:42:37.839 Rico looks fine. Honestly, I think Rico is your RB 0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:41.520 one right now. That's a separate conversation right now, that's 0:42:41.520 --> 0:42:45.880 a separate conversation. But Dalvin Cook specifically, they said, we 0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:48.399 want to utilize him when we're going to utilize him best, 0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:51.200 because he's coming off with the practice squad. You can 0:42:51.600 --> 0:42:54.919 elevate these guys only so many times. Do you feel 0:42:54.920 --> 0:42:58.320 like that plays any factor into it? Because I feel 0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:00.160 like if you wanted to just elevate the guy and 0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:04.320 he plays well, good sign him. If he doesn't play well, 0:43:04.360 --> 0:43:06.000 then maybe you push it. 0:43:06.000 --> 0:43:07.040 Back to squad. 0:43:07.280 --> 0:43:09.799 Yeah, you get you kind of push it down the line. 0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:14.080 I don't know if delaying his first call up is 0:43:14.360 --> 0:43:16.719 enough to say what's not utilize him. 0:43:16.800 --> 0:43:20.600 I think the bigger issue is you remember we had 0:43:20.600 --> 0:43:24.240 this conversation Isaiah included you bring up Dalvin Cook and 0:43:24.400 --> 0:43:25.680 who is made inactive? 0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:30.080 I mean, he only had ten offensive snaps, I would say, 0:43:30.080 --> 0:43:32.320 and Zeke you would say, I would absolutely. 0:43:32.200 --> 0:43:35.680 Based on how they're using Zeke, you would think so yeah, 0:43:35.719 --> 0:43:38.239 But do you realistically think they're going to make Zeken active? 0:43:38.320 --> 0:43:40.160 Probably not. And that's for me. 0:43:40.200 --> 0:43:43.359 That's where delvin's' that's the thing because if you bring 0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:46.080 up Dalvin Cook, but you don't want to make Zeke inactive. 0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:48.760 And this Rico is not in this conversation because Rico 0:43:48.960 --> 0:43:51.960 is continuing to improve as as he as RB one 0:43:52.040 --> 0:43:55.200 right now. So this is for me, is Dalvin Cook 0:43:55.320 --> 0:43:59.480 versus Rico versus deuce yea question because Hunter Lickey he's 0:43:59.480 --> 0:44:02.120 not in the carversation either. He's finally getting more utilization. 0:44:02.480 --> 0:44:05.080 So the question becomes, if you bring up Dalvin Cook, 0:44:05.120 --> 0:44:07.239 are you making duce and active for that game, which 0:44:07.400 --> 0:44:10.239 is probably supposed to be your change of pace back 0:44:10.760 --> 0:44:13.560 or is it Zeke which creates a redundancy because Zeke 0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:15.759 and Dalvin Cook are more or less the same guy. 0:44:15.840 --> 0:44:17.560 I mean, to your point, I'd love to see Hunter 0:44:17.640 --> 0:44:20.120 lip Key with actual RB one carries like I would 0:44:20.120 --> 0:44:22.000 love to see him take those snaps. 0:44:22.040 --> 0:44:24.760 Also another conversation, he's been great. 0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:27.279 It's totally separate, but it's like, what does he look 0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:30.520 like running the football, Because as far as like utility backs, 0:44:31.239 --> 0:44:33.960 I think he has everything that you're really looking for 0:44:34.080 --> 0:44:36.520 right now. He can push a pile and he's also 0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:38.880 catching out of the backfield, and he's pass blocking. 0:44:39.160 --> 0:44:41.520 It's not out of the question to say Hunter Lipke 0:44:41.719 --> 0:44:45.160 is your third most effective player on offense right now, 0:44:45.600 --> 0:44:49.319 behind CD and Jake Ferguson. Name a guy other than 0:44:49.520 --> 0:44:52.120 lip Key who's had maybe not the stats I think, 0:44:52.160 --> 0:44:53.680 but I'm talking about effective thinking. 0:44:55.480 --> 0:44:57.319 I think it's Rico. And the reason I said I 0:44:57.360 --> 0:44:58.759 think it is Rico is because. 0:44:58.560 --> 0:44:59.560 That maybe he's a bait. 0:44:59.640 --> 0:45:01.000 But yeah, I see what you're saying. 0:45:01.040 --> 0:45:03.680 Yeah, it's more production, but also it's it's commensurate with 0:45:03.719 --> 0:45:06.239 more opportunities. So if you I think if lip Key 0:45:06.280 --> 0:45:08.799 gets those opportunities, is correlated that way, and you say 0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:13.600 it's per opportunity, now you're talking efficiency per opportunity. That 0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:17.040 was most efficient, third more third most efficient player on 0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:20.160 offense I'm not productive because he hasn't had that touches 0:45:20.440 --> 0:45:22.080 the third most efficient player on offense. 0:45:22.080 --> 0:45:25.920 I think it's hunder lip so. I yeah, when it 0:45:25.960 --> 0:45:28.359 comes to Dalvin Cook, I think there needs to be 0:45:28.440 --> 0:45:29.160 a conversation. 0:45:29.280 --> 0:45:30.279 I think there needs to. 0:45:30.200 --> 0:45:35.440 Be an added emphasis to try and shake up the 0:45:35.520 --> 0:45:38.080 running back room. Whatever you're doing right now isn't working. 0:45:38.520 --> 0:45:41.759 It's not working running the football. Try something different, try 0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:42.600 it out. See what happens. 0:45:42.680 --> 0:45:44.920 Yeah, and if it doesn't work, he drops back to 0:45:44.960 --> 0:45:47.560 the practice squad and no harm, no foul, no harm, 0:45:47.560 --> 0:45:47.879 no foul. 0:45:47.960 --> 0:45:50.200 You figure it out for the following week. We'll see. 0:45:50.360 --> 0:45:50.719 We'll see. 0:45:50.800 --> 0:45:52.799 It's not gonna happen this week. Apparently it doesn't look 0:45:52.840 --> 0:45:54.920 to be the case. All right, that's gonna do it 0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:56.600 for us here on talking Cowboys. 0:45:56.920 --> 0:45:58.120 Hope you had some fun with us. 0:45:58.160 --> 0:46:01.960 Tomorrow, we will have the whole crew back in the building. 0:46:01.960 --> 0:46:04.200 We're gonna have Isaiah stand back back and we will 0:46:04.200 --> 0:46:07.080 get you started on the preview of this matchup with 0:46:07.200 --> 0:46:07.880 the Steelers. 0:46:07.880 --> 0:46:09.040 What a historic. 0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:12.799 Rivalry this, Oh my god, eleven Lombardi trophies, Oh yeah, 0:46:13.120 --> 0:46:14.560 you got a lot going on. 0:46:14.600 --> 0:46:18.719 And battles in the seventies man. Yeah, seventies nineties. 0:46:18.440 --> 0:46:23.640 Relevant, I remember those the last every like yesterday. Yeah, 0:46:24.440 --> 0:46:28.439 every matchup since the turn of the century has been 0:46:28.960 --> 0:46:30.120 a one score game. 0:46:31.040 --> 0:46:31.880 Every single matchup. 0:46:31.880 --> 0:46:34.320 They don't play it a whole lot, but every single 0:46:34.360 --> 0:46:36.560 game has been a one score affair CARDI I think 0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:39.400 you could see the exact same thing happening on Sunday. 0:46:39.400 --> 0:46:41.880 But tomorrow we're going to preview the Dallas defensive matchup 0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:46.200 going up against Justin Fields or Russell Wilson at quarterback 0:46:46.200 --> 0:46:48.560 with George Pickens, Pat Friar mused, and a couple of 0:46:48.600 --> 0:46:52.320 these other guys on the offense couple flat tires to 0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:55.120 see how they ad just In doing so for Chris Beam, 0:46:55.200 --> 0:46:58.279 Josh Rodriguez, Patrick No c walker around, Kyle Yeoman saying 0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:01.319 so long from Talking Cowboys, will you tomorrow. 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