WEBVTT - KILLER WIVES: Human Speed Bump 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:16.520 Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How does a mild mannered 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:22.560 orthodonis end up dead? And so called death by Mercedes. 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:40.199 Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I Nancy Grace, this is 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:42.760 Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:46.879 Fox Nation and Sirius XM one eleven. First of all, 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:51.159 let's take a listen to Unraveled. Soon after landing her 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:54.240 job at a clinic in Houston, she meets thirty two 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:59.520 year old orthodontists David Harris. Start, I've been here about 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:01.640 a month. This is in my dream being accepted. He 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:04.960 was amazing. Claris said they were both very, very dedicated 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:09.560 to the practice of their professions. From originally born and 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:12.920 raised here in Texas, in the Austin area. Where'd you 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:19.240 come from from Colombia? Wow. She found him to be 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:26.840 a man who was kind, gentle, loving, hard working anyway, cheers, welcome, 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:31.360 thank you, good to meet you. All of the qualities. 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:38.479 So she was looking for everyone loved David Harris. He 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:41.880 was from a very good family. He was well liked 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:45.200 in his church and in his community. He did a 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:48.360 great job in his business, and he was very kind 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:53.440 to everyone. Well, it's not to love kind, loving, mild mannered, 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:59.440 hard worker educated. So how does a mild mannered or 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:02.920 to do us, beloved in his community and church end 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:08.720 up dead like he's a speed bump on the highway. Again, 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:10.560 thank you for being with us, with me an all 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:12.520 star panel to break it down and put it back 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:16.880 together again. You were just hearing the voices of Clara 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:21.640 and David Harris in a welcome video with me to 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:25.000 analyze it all. Judge and trial lawyer, Court TV anchor 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:29.400 Ashley Wilcot at Ashley Wilcot dot com, fornown psychoanalyst joining 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:32.720 me out of Beverly Hills, doctor Bethany Marshall and doctor 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:36.160 Bethany Marshall dot com, Founder director of the Cold Case 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:43.040 Research Institute, Forensics expert Cheryl McCollum, doctor Chris Sperry, former 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:47.160 chief medical Examiner for the entire State of Georgia, lead 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:51.120 news anchor for w DBO Ray Kaputo. But first to 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:57.720 Bobby Bosha, private investigator with the Blue Moon Investigations with 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:01.880 a very intimate connection to this. To you, Bobby Bosha, 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.280 thank you for being with us. We were just hearing 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:10.640 a welcome video including Clara and David Harris. Now David 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:14.840 is an orthodonis, Clara is a dentist. Correct. What is 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:18.720 a welcome video? What is that? I'm a welcome video. 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:22.480 I'm guessing that's just where they're they're getting together and 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:26.480 meeting each other. They had just met at a clinic 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:30.720 in Houston. Tell me about how the two of them 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:35.560 end up meeting, Bobby Bosha. From what I understand, Clara 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:39.320 started taking working at I think it was called Castle 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:43.280 Dental and or and learning to She was going there 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:47.320 like apprenticing to become a dentist. And I believe David 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:51.160 Harris was working there, and that's how they met. I 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:54.240 also heard there's another way that they met. Is it 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:57.760 originally maybe? And maybe he helped her get a job 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:01.040 here at the Castle. Vidal is that she was in 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:06.800 the beauty contest of Miss Columbia Houston and she won 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:10.520 that contest. He was there and that's another way that 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.680 they met. Okay, hold on, let me analyze what Bobby Botch, 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:16.600 a private eye with Blue Moon Investigations, just told me 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:19.240 to you, doctor Bethany Marshall, you're the shrink, not me, 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:24.000 But what does strutting in a swimsuit? Not judging? Don't 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:27.600 care have to do with your ability to run a 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:31.680 dental practice. A very good question. Does it never end 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:34.440 with men? And I've been accused of being a man hater. 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:36.719 That is so not true. I love my husband David 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:40.159 and my son John David so much. I'm not a 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:43.560 man hater. But doctor Bethany Marshall, what is it like, Oh, 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.120 there goes something shiny, let me grab it. I mean, 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:48.520 he sees her in a beauty contest and bam, there 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:50.720 she is up in his life. Well, it does tell 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:54.440 me that there was a very idealized beginning to this relationship. 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:57.839 There was a lot of passion, a lot of strong emotions, 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:03.599 very strong sense of sexuality. He's very attracted to hers. 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:06.479 She was up on a stage and a swimsuit. So 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:11.320 there was a lot of adoration going on at the beginning, 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:15.920 like a mutual love fest. And when there is that 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:19.960 much adoration at the beginning, I always worry in a 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:24.200 marital or a romantic relationship if somebody who's been put 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:26.840 on a pedestal is going to be knocked right back 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:32.680 down again. Idealization always leads to the evaluation. So I 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:34.640 don't know if you've ever talked to a couple where 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:37.600 all they say is positive things about each other and 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:40.599 there's never one negative thing that comes out of their mouths, 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:44.000 And you think, too, there has to be something bad somewhere. 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:46.359 I mean, you know, maybe he has bad breath in 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:48.560 the morning, or maybe you know you don't like the 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:51.560 way he makes the bed or something. But if there's 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:55.040 only adoration, then I become very suspicious that there's a 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:59.039 dark side for the relationship that's not being adequately processed 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:01.360 or analyzed, and that there's going to be a shoote 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.120 conflict on down the road. Guys, we're talking about how 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:07.880 a mild manner orthodonist David Harris ends up as a 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:12.800 human speed bump in a parking lot dead. How did 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:17.599 he meet his wife, Clara, No doubt about it. A 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:20.719 real beauty and with smarts as well. She goes on 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:24.599 to become a dentist. Take a listen to Unraveled. She's 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:28.120 a tall woman, she's strikingly beautiful. I think that had 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:30.880 a strong effect on David Arison making a great team. 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:37.000 He's a beautiful woman's a great future looking forward. Clara 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:39.719 confides in David that she was a beauty queen back 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:43.160 in Columbia, so David encourages her to enter a local 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:48.040 pageant in Houston. David's support and personal ambition soon convinced 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:51.760 Clara that he's the man she's been searching for. I 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:55.120 believe that she must have figured that with the marriage 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:58.680 to a man like that, that she could really have 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:01.919 a perfect life, totally different sort of life than the 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.080 one that she came from after the death of her father. 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:09.040 Their courtship was rather quick. They married on Valentine's Day 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:12.520 in nineteen ninety two. In her eyes, she had the 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:17.000 perfect marriage and the perfect relationship. And Clara bows who 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:21.560 she'll always be his perfect wife. She seemed to adore David, 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:26.720 and she took a subservient position in most matters to 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:31.720 his wishes and desires. To Ray Kaputo, lead news anchor 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:35.280 Orlando News w DBO, Ray Kaputo, what can you tell 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:39.320 me about their lifestyle? Where did they live? What happened? 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:42.400 He falls in love with her Caesar in a beauty contest. 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:46.320 She's also a dentist, he's an orthodonist. Match made in heaven. 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.000 So then what happened? Well, Nancy, I mean, this is 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:51.640 a couple who appeared to have it all. They live 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:56.560 in Friendswood, Texas, at a suburb southeast of Houston upscale 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:59.720 million dollar homes. In fact, CNN Money ranked at one 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:01.960 of the of the best places to live the one 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:04.280 hundred Places to Live. I mean, it's a beautiful place. 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.320 And they go on and they start a family. David 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:10.760 already has a daughter. They actually have a couple of twins, 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:13.720 just like you, and everything appears to be great. So 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:17.960 he already has a daughter, Lindsay from a previous relationship 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:23.440 that two of them have boy twins. Guys. Speaking of Lindsay, 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:29.280 take a listen to Sharon Martin. Clara's sensitive nature soon 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:33.199 rekindled the relationship between David and his daughter, Lindsay. Father 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:36.079 and daughter had had little contact since his divorced from 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:39.320 Lindsay's mother in nineteen ninety one, but Clara believed it 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:42.360 was important for David to spend time with her. Clara 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:46.760 really got attached to Lindsay very early on David's first child, 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:51.000 because when Clara and David met, Lindsay was something like 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:53.760 three years old. Clara was the reason that Lindsay was 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:57.880 David's life. He had not had a relationship with Lindsay 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:01.240 until Clara came into his life and said you need 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:05.720 to have a relationship with your daughter. And Clara didn't 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:09.000 just add Lindsay back into David's life. In September of 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:12.640 nineteen ninety eight, Clara gave birth to twin boys, Brian 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:16.440 and Bradley. That rock their world. That was the bow 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:18.800 on the package. I mean, they had this great life, 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:22.000 their future look totally Bryan, do you actually Wilcott judge 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:24.880 and trial lawyer COURTV anchor who deals a lot with 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:28.360 JEVENI all issues. When a step mom comes in, very 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:32.440 often that changes the entire scenario. What absolutely does the 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:35.280 entire family dynamic. And what's interesting to hear in this 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:37.959 case is that the stepdaughter and the stepmother got close. 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:41.400 That doesn't always happen. I often see step parent come 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:46.520 into a home dynamic and the children are not forging 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:48.960 a good relationship with the step parent. Of a stepparent 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.400 may not be loving and adoring to that child. But 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:54.520 this case does not sound like that. It sounds like 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:59.640 they really truly enjoyed each other and were building a 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:18.560 great family together. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:23.199 are talking about how a mild mannered Orthodonnis David Harris 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:26.839 ends up a human speed bump dead in a case 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:32.520 we're calling death by Mercedes. These two had the perfect marriage, 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:37.719 as it seemed on the outside, but then things went sideways. 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:41.480 Take a listen to our friend Sharon Martin. David Harris 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:46.600 and Gil Bridges would spend time had David and Clara's lakehouse. 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:50.880 They would go to hotels. Certainly a favorite was the Hilton, 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:54.120 the very same Hilton that was right next to the 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:57.760 country club where the Harrises were married. Before long, the 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:01.000 couple wasn't even trying to conceal the affect except from 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:04.480 David's wife Clara and daughter Lindsay. But eventually word of 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:09.040 her husband's associate made its way back to Clara, one 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:12.680 of the ladies that was working at david Santel office, 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:15.800 who took her out to dinner one night and told 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:21.120 her that she needed to be aware that she may 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.240 have a problem in her marriage and that she should 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:27.760 address That was the first time that Clara really had 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:31.960 an inclination that there was something seriously wrong. Clara told 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:35.600 David's sixteen year old daughter Lindsay. Lindsay, who always felt 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:38.800 close to Clara, immediately took her side. Then, on the 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:43.000 morning of Wednesday, July seventeenth, two thousand and two, Clara 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:48.199 confronted David about Gail. David admitted to the affair. Did 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.360 he not even care enough to try to lie his 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:53.040 way out of it for Pete's sake? Or was he 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:57.960 just busted red handed? Doctor Bethany Marshall Psycho Alice joining 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:01.400 me out of Beverly Hills at dtor Bethany Marshall dot com. 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:05.560 What you know? I always remember reading the actual paper, 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:08.840 the actual paper growing up. The first thing I would 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:12.280 read as a little girl, in a teen into college 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:17.920 was Dear Abbey, And people would always say, I know 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.360 my friend's husband's having a fairy. Should I tell her? 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:26.840 Abby always said x nay on the ab blake, don't blab, 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:31.160 don't say a word, stay an, let them work it out. 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:36.160 For all you know, she may already know. Jump in, 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:39.560 you're the shrink. I'm just a lawyer. I agree with 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:45.160 you and Hanny's Abbey. If you know your best friend, okay, well, okay, 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:47.960 I agree with Abby. If your best friend's husband's having 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:50.400 an affair, you don't need to tell your friend because 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:53.800 your friends should already know on some level when there's 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:58.360 trouble in paradise. Both people know about it. I think 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:02.240 that there was trouble brewing in this marriage. I mean, 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:07.480 if he was having an affair, there would be unexplained absences. 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:11.280 There would be, you know, charges on credit cards. There 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:15.040 were good, great bathony. You think I get through David's charges. 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:17.280 I tried to read his computer one time. I told 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:20.160 you what happened. My eyes started bleeding. It was so boring. 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:22.840 Let me just say my eyes dried up. That's even 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:26.040 more boring than bleeding. I'm not gonna look through his 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:29.680 credit cards. And yes, sometimes to say bye in the morning, 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.120 I don't hear from him till supper time. You know what. 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:37.640 That's fine, that's okay with me. But why would I 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:42.160 rance that rubble through his uh credit cards? I mean, 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:46.000 why would you suspect? But we also don't know about 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:49.920 Clara's character. We don't know if she had a personality 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:52.959 oh here you go. Don't know if she's Larry imagining 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:56.280 all of these mental illnesses on people. Why would she 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:58.800 suspect her husband? You know what? Hold on, Hold on, 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:04.320 Bobby Bosh, your private investigator, Blue Moon Investigations. Clara Harris 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:12.920 actually hired Blue Moon to follow her husband. So that's 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:15.000 really going out alone when you're willing to part with 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:19.400 money to because you're so suspicious of your husband. What 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:23.240 about this woman taking her out to whatever it was, dinner, lunch, coffee, 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:27.000 is saying you have a problem. That was her, basically 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:30.040 the woman who took her out or actually they worked 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:31.640 a lot of people don't know this. They worked in 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:36.360 separate clinics. Clara worked about forty five minutes from her 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:40.600 house at David worked right in town. Clara worked out 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:43.480 of the Clute, Texas office, and David worked out the 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:46.560 clear Lake office. The Clute was more of like your 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:51.400 every poor families. You know, she's probably there to help 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:55.120 the poor, and David's doing all the high paying clients 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:58.520 with the insurance and the clear Lake office. Well, now 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.240 wait a minute, wait a minute, who wait? Right, she's 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:04.000 a dentist. He's an orthodonist. Right, she's a dentist. He's 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:06.080 an orthosode. He put in the I don't know that 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:10.200 insurance covers orthodontia. Yeah, but I don't think it does. 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:13.200 So he would be seeing people that could write a 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:17.640 check for bryces, and she would be seeing people that 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:25.080 involved insurance. I mean insurance medicaid all that. Yes, so okay, 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:29.640 they were separate office. Now who's this woman this friend? Yes, 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.200 this is a woman who worked in the office. And 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:35.720 she basically was David's bookkeeper. And I don't have her name, 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:37.760 so I'm sorry about that, and I'm not sure if 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:43.200 she wanted revealed, but um, she basically was the bookkeeper. Um, 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:47.440 when they hired the Claire always called the other woman 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:52.080 the other woman. When they hire hired Gail m. Thompson, 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.880 that was her maiden name, Bridges was her married name. 0:15:56.560 --> 0:16:00.720 But when they hired Gil Thompson, um this and trained 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:04.760 Gale to work because Gale was a new divorcee and 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:09.800 she had children or yes, and so they hired her 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:13.840 and this woman trained her. But apparently, I'm David took 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:18.960 interest in Gale right away. Gale very petite, totally opposite 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:23.480 of Clara. Clara was very strong. She was a powerful woman. 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:27.000 Clara dominated a contrary to what they were saying in 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:31.600 that audio earlier, Clara was the dominant force in the marriage. 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:35.120 And she's the one who picked the vacations. She's the 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:40.120 one who picked what they did. She basically said everything, 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:44.280 and David would jump and also Lindsay and her. Yes, 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:47.120 she might have gotten David close to Lindsay in the beginning, 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:49.960 but when Clara got pregnant, she had to go she 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:53.440 because remember Clara had to go get pregnant. I think 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:55.320 she had to get inseminated, you know, they had to. 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.480 I'm not sure exactly what they did, but she ended 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:00.360 up with twins. As usually happens when you're trying to 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:03.720 get pregnant, you might have twins, and so she had 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:07.840 twin boys. After she had the twins, she basically kind 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.600 of cut Lindsay out of the relationship with them. It 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:14.719 was Clara and the boys. And from what I'm understanding, 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:17.359 she would actually physically cut Lindsay out of pictures that 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:20.119 put the boys and really didn't have a place for 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:24.000 Lindsay to stay when she visited. So but Lindsay would 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:26.360 visit for I believe. I think it was a mound 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:29.080 or two months in the summer, and they would usually 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:32.440 vacation together with friends affairs, and I think it was 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:37.639 the Fondren Roberta and Mike Fondre. Mike Frondren worked for 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:41.399 David for Clara Harris and the Clute Clinic as the 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:45.440 driver and person who took care of her Mercedes from 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:51.840 what I understand. But anyway, Clara basically worked at that 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:55.359 other clinic. David worked at the clear Lake Clinic. And 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:57.720 this woman that worked at the clear Lake Clinic is 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:02.040 the one who parent We got jealous of the new 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:07.960 hire Gil Thompson, and decided today she was watching him 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:11.159 go to lunch together. It was all fine. Well, apparently 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:13.639 you know, there was not a problem. And from what 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:18.240 I understand, Gil said she would go to lunch with David. 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:21.760 The whole office knew it. Everyone knew it. She said 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:24.080 that David said it was an open marriage, that he 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:28.040 was divorcing, and everyone knew it. And whoa, whoa wait, wait, 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:30.800 how in the hey do we go? Doctor Chris Berry, 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:34.720 former Chief Medical exam or State of Georgia. You and 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:38.199 I would go to lunch together when we were I 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:41.520 was prosecuting, and we had so many cases together, and 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:43.960 we had a good time. You know, it was kind 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:46.720 of a break from the Of course, all we talked 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:48.840 about were dead bodies, but that was a good time. 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:52.600 To me, what is wrong with having lunch with somebody 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:55.800 you work with? It? How the hey? I mean, do 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:58.920 you remember that doctor Sperry yeah, I remember. Those were 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:02.480 some of the happy times in prosecuting when you could 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:06.400 go out with a colleague or somebody that understood what 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:08.840 you're talking about. That's hard to find in our line 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:26.879 of business. Doctor sporting crime stories with Nancy Grace, guys 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:30.840 were talking about an orthodonus ends up a human speed 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:35.720 bump dead. We call it death by Mercedes. But doctor Bethany, 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:41.880 you know they're good intentioned friends that will tell you 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:44.879 your spouse is cheating and they think they're doing you 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:47.560 a favor. And honestly, I mean, if David was cheating, 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:49.960 I would want to know. I definitely would want to 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:51.960 know so I could go ahead and kill them and 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:55.280 be done with that. I didn't say that, but don't know, Bethany. 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:58.680 So you're still sticking to your guns about don't tell, 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:01.040 don't say anything. That's kind of hard to do right 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:04.800 when you know something's happening. It's a very sticky situation 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:07.400 to be in. I just think the unconscious is such 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:10.080 a powerful thing, and if your spouse is cheating, you're 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:14.280 going to know. Very rarely is a spouse Do you 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:17.320 mean you're subconscious? Did I actually get to correct, doctor 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:21.000 beth It's never happened in life. All that take. So 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:24.200 you're saying, just give it to me by doctor, best 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:28.680 analyze me. Yes, No, then your spouse is cheating. When 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:33.520 a man is cheating, the wife tends to know. She 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:36.280 may choose to not put her thoughts together about it. 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:39.439 She may choose to sweep it under the carpet or tonight, 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:43.080 to deny that it's happening. But when her friend takes 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:46.240 her to lunch and says there's trouble in your marriage, 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:51.480 your husband is cheating, all that denial goes right out 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:55.760 the window. And that's what causes people to snap sometimes. 0:20:56.000 --> 0:20:58.320 And I wanted to say something about the husband saying 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:02.320 that they were in an open relationship. I've been arrive 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:08.480 at practice for almost thirty yrriage. I rearenactly what marriage says. 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:11.000 That's always the man in the open marriage. The wife 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:14.720 seemingly doesn't know anything about it, exactly. Only one person 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:18.280 knew that the narrative or held his camerage him and 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:24.760 his girlfriend. Okay, guys, take a listen to most evil 0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:28.720 Neil Dadge. Listen to this. When she confronts her, he 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:33.199 admits to having an affair with his receptionist, Gail Clara 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:41.399 is devastated. She makes David tell her everything about Gail's 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:46.600 According to David, she is younger, more attractive, and caters 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:51.840 to his niece. Clara takes notes during their conversation, comparing 0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:56.919 herself to Gail and writing down her own shortcomings. Willing 0:21:56.960 --> 0:22:03.320 to do anything to save their marriage, Clara joins a gym, 0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:07.679 has her nails and hair done, and goes to a 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:11.520 tanning salon. She puts some money down at a plastic 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:15.960 surgeons for a tummy tuck and breast augmentation. She even 0:22:16.080 --> 0:22:20.160 leaves her job to be more available for David's sexual desires. Okay, 0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:22.320 let me just let that sink in from say you 0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:25.760 leave your job. I can see that my peripheral vision. 0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:30.240 Jackie laughing into her fist. YEP, she is, Okay, did 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:32.800 I get that right, Bobby Bosh? I probably an investigator, 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:37.480 believe me an investigations. Clara Harris quits her job to 0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:41.040 be more sexually available to her husband, but they don't 0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:43.560 think they can't work around. I did not hear that 0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:46.879 she actually quit her job. She may have not gone 0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:50.200 to some days of her job, but she didn't actually quit. 0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:52.679 So when she came to us, it was in the 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:56.720 afternoon after she got off of work. You know, she 0:22:56.840 --> 0:22:58.640 may have taken some days off that I don't think 0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:01.520 she quit her job, so she was actually still working, 0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:05.919 but she had taken days off. But Clara, actually, you 0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:10.560 know what an idiot David was. I mean, you would say, oh, 0:23:10.600 --> 0:23:14.760 your your feet are big, her feet are small, she 0:23:14.840 --> 0:23:18.920 has big yes to change her feet? Yeah, he said, 0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:22.439 she has pete petite, she has tiny feet and you 0:23:22.520 --> 0:23:26.120 have big feet. Um, she's small framed and we fit 0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:31.160 well together and you're big frames and we're awkward together. Um. 0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:35.960 She's got small, pretty little teeth and you've got big teeth. Um, 0:23:36.080 --> 0:23:38.280 how did you change your teeth? How do you change 0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:44.080 your feet? She's got big breasts and you have small breaths. Um, 0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:48.600 she's small, she's tiny, and you're heavy. So I think 0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:51.880 she was weighing probably like one eight five time she'd 0:23:51.880 --> 0:23:57.240 had twins, her beautiful bloody and had twins. Yeah. So um, 0:23:57.640 --> 0:24:00.960 so you know, so he was, you know, he was 0:24:01.000 --> 0:24:04.359 an idiot to admit it. But now also she made 0:24:04.400 --> 0:24:07.800 him do it. Well wait a minute, wait a minute. 0:24:08.280 --> 0:24:11.840 You know Ash Willcott, Jess and trial lawyer. Of course 0:24:11.840 --> 0:24:16.400 he'd the anchor I've seen mini meny divorces as part 0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:19.720 of criminal law that end in a felony, usually somebody 0:24:19.720 --> 0:24:23.560 taking a shot at somebody grounds for a divorce. You 0:24:23.600 --> 0:24:27.880 have big feet. You ever heard that? God, that's what it's. 0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:30.640 I've just been biting my tongue, Nancy, because I just 0:24:31.080 --> 0:24:34.560 starting to sing together. Now, Oh my gosh. Clearly, clearly, 0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:37.400 clearly there are bigger issues in this marriage, because all 0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:40.480 of these things he's coming up with, that he's making 0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:43.080 up just means that he has no interest in his 0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:45.760 wife and doesn't want to be married to her. Please. 0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:47.240 The other thing I have to say is, you know 0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:50.040 she was described as the dominant force in the marriage 0:24:50.320 --> 0:24:54.280 that David would jump when it doesn't justify his one 0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:56.520 out and having an affair. He doesn't even want to 0:24:56.560 --> 0:24:58.480 be with his wife, and he's coming up with all 0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:01.359 these little things about her. He doesn't even like. You know. 0:25:01.400 --> 0:25:04.119 Another thing I heard earlier that like, for instance, she 0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:07.760 would pick the vacation. That means nothing to me. I 0:25:07.800 --> 0:25:09.960 pick our vacations, where we're gonna go, how we're gonna 0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:13.600 do it. David works like a maniac. He really has 0:25:13.640 --> 0:25:16.320 his nose to the grindstone. If I didn't come up 0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:18.560 with a vacation plan. The whole thing. Go rent the RV. 0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:22.440 We wouldn't have a vacation. It's just that simple. So 0:25:22.880 --> 0:25:24.960 he couldn't care less where we go. He loves being 0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:29.679 with us. He goes willingly, but he doesn't stop and 0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:32.600 make a plan. I don't hold that against him because 0:25:32.640 --> 0:25:35.159 I like what I plan. So long story short, that 0:25:35.200 --> 0:25:38.080 means nothing to me about her being quote dominant, because 0:25:38.119 --> 0:25:43.480 she would pick vacations and other similar examples. But when 0:25:43.480 --> 0:25:47.480 she finds out about the affair, take a listen to 0:25:48.480 --> 0:25:51.919 our cut seven Sharon Martin. On July twenty three, Clara 0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:55.359 walked into the Blue Moon Detective Agency. She wanted us 0:25:55.400 --> 0:25:58.240 to get close and listen to conversations if we could, 0:25:58.840 --> 0:26:02.000