1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How does a mild mannered 2 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: orthodonis end up dead? And so called death by Mercedes. 3 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I Nancy Grace, this is 4 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at 5 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: Fox Nation and Sirius XM one eleven. First of all, 6 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: let's take a listen to Unraveled. Soon after landing her 7 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: job at a clinic in Houston, she meets thirty two 8 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: year old orthodontists David Harris. Start, I've been here about 9 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: a month. This is in my dream being accepted. He 10 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 1: was amazing. Claris said they were both very, very dedicated 11 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: to the practice of their professions. From originally born and 12 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: raised here in Texas, in the Austin area. Where'd you 13 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: come from from Colombia? Wow. She found him to be 14 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: a man who was kind, gentle, loving, hard working anyway, cheers, welcome, 15 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: thank you, good to meet you. All of the qualities. 16 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:38,479 Speaker 1: So she was looking for everyone loved David Harris. He 17 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: was from a very good family. He was well liked 18 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: in his church and in his community. He did a 19 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: great job in his business, and he was very kind 20 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: to everyone. Well, it's not to love kind, loving, mild mannered, 21 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: hard worker educated. So how does a mild mannered or 22 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: to do us, beloved in his community and church end 23 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: up dead like he's a speed bump on the highway. Again, 24 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us, with me an all 25 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: star panel to break it down and put it back 26 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: together again. You were just hearing the voices of Clara 27 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: and David Harris in a welcome video with me to 28 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: analyze it all. Judge and trial lawyer, Court TV anchor 29 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot at Ashley Wilcot dot com, fornown psychoanalyst joining 30 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: me out of Beverly Hills, doctor Bethany Marshall and doctor 31 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall dot com, Founder director of the Cold Case 32 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: Research Institute, Forensics expert Cheryl McCollum, doctor Chris Sperry, former 33 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: chief medical Examiner for the entire State of Georgia, lead 34 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: news anchor for w DBO Ray Kaputo. But first to 35 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: Bobby Bosha, private investigator with the Blue Moon Investigations with 36 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: a very intimate connection to this. To you, Bobby Bosha, 37 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. We were just hearing 38 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: a welcome video including Clara and David Harris. Now David 39 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: is an orthodonis, Clara is a dentist. Correct. What is 40 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: a welcome video? What is that? I'm a welcome video. 41 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: I'm guessing that's just where they're they're getting together and 42 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: meeting each other. They had just met at a clinic 43 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: in Houston. Tell me about how the two of them 44 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: end up meeting, Bobby Bosha. From what I understand, Clara 45 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: started taking working at I think it was called Castle 46 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: Dental and or and learning to She was going there 47 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: like apprenticing to become a dentist. And I believe David 48 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: Harris was working there, and that's how they met. I 49 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: also heard there's another way that they met. Is it 50 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: originally maybe? And maybe he helped her get a job 51 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: here at the Castle. Vidal is that she was in 52 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: the beauty contest of Miss Columbia Houston and she won 53 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: that contest. He was there and that's another way that 54 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: they met. Okay, hold on, let me analyze what Bobby Botch, 55 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: a private eye with Blue Moon Investigations, just told me 56 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: to you, doctor Bethany Marshall, you're the shrink, not me, 57 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: But what does strutting in a swimsuit? Not judging? Don't 58 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: care have to do with your ability to run a 59 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: dental practice. A very good question. Does it never end 60 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: with men? And I've been accused of being a man hater. 61 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: That is so not true. I love my husband David 62 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: and my son John David so much. I'm not a 63 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: man hater. But doctor Bethany Marshall, what is it like, Oh, 64 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: there goes something shiny, let me grab it. I mean, 65 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: he sees her in a beauty contest and bam, there 66 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: she is up in his life. Well, it does tell 67 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: me that there was a very idealized beginning to this relationship. 68 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: There was a lot of passion, a lot of strong emotions, 69 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: very strong sense of sexuality. He's very attracted to hers. 70 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 1: She was up on a stage and a swimsuit. So 71 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: there was a lot of adoration going on at the beginning, 72 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: like a mutual love fest. And when there is that 73 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: much adoration at the beginning, I always worry in a 74 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: marital or a romantic relationship if somebody who's been put 75 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: on a pedestal is going to be knocked right back 76 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: down again. Idealization always leads to the evaluation. So I 77 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever talked to a couple where 78 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: all they say is positive things about each other and 79 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: there's never one negative thing that comes out of their mouths, 80 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: And you think, too, there has to be something bad somewhere. 81 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, maybe he has bad breath in 82 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: the morning, or maybe you know you don't like the 83 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: way he makes the bed or something. But if there's 84 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: only adoration, then I become very suspicious that there's a 85 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: dark side for the relationship that's not being adequately processed 86 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: or analyzed, and that there's going to be a shoote 87 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: conflict on down the road. Guys, we're talking about how 88 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: a mild manner orthodonist David Harris ends up as a 89 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: human speed bump in a parking lot dead. How did 90 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: he meet his wife, Clara, No doubt about it. A 91 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 1: real beauty and with smarts as well. She goes on 92 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: to become a dentist. Take a listen to Unraveled. She's 93 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: a tall woman, she's strikingly beautiful. I think that had 94 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: a strong effect on David Arison making a great team. 95 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: He's a beautiful woman's a great future looking forward. Clara 96 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: confides in David that she was a beauty queen back 97 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 1: in Columbia, so David encourages her to enter a local 98 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: pageant in Houston. David's support and personal ambition soon convinced 99 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: Clara that he's the man she's been searching for. I 100 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: believe that she must have figured that with the marriage 101 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: to a man like that, that she could really have 102 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 1: a perfect life, totally different sort of life than the 103 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: one that she came from after the death of her father. 104 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: Their courtship was rather quick. They married on Valentine's Day 105 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety two. In her eyes, she had the 106 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: perfect marriage and the perfect relationship. And Clara bows who 107 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: she'll always be his perfect wife. She seemed to adore David, 108 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: and she took a subservient position in most matters to 109 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: his wishes and desires. To Ray Kaputo, lead news anchor 110 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: Orlando News w DBO, Ray Kaputo, what can you tell 111 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: me about their lifestyle? Where did they live? What happened? 112 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: He falls in love with her Caesar in a beauty contest. 113 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: She's also a dentist, he's an orthodonist. Match made in heaven. 114 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: So then what happened? Well, Nancy, I mean, this is 115 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: a couple who appeared to have it all. They live 116 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: in Friendswood, Texas, at a suburb southeast of Houston upscale 117 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: million dollar homes. In fact, CNN Money ranked at one 118 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: of the of the best places to live the one 119 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: hundred Places to Live. I mean, it's a beautiful place. 120 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: And they go on and they start a family. David 121 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: already has a daughter. They actually have a couple of twins, 122 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: just like you, and everything appears to be great. So 123 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: he already has a daughter, Lindsay from a previous relationship 124 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: that two of them have boy twins. Guys. Speaking of Lindsay, 125 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: take a listen to Sharon Martin. Clara's sensitive nature soon 126 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 1: rekindled the relationship between David and his daughter, Lindsay. Father 127 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 1: and daughter had had little contact since his divorced from 128 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: Lindsay's mother in nineteen ninety one, but Clara believed it 129 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: was important for David to spend time with her. Clara 130 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: really got attached to Lindsay very early on David's first child, 131 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: because when Clara and David met, Lindsay was something like 132 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: three years old. Clara was the reason that Lindsay was 133 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: David's life. He had not had a relationship with Lindsay 134 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: until Clara came into his life and said you need 135 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: to have a relationship with your daughter. And Clara didn't 136 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: just add Lindsay back into David's life. In September of 137 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight, Clara gave birth to twin boys, Brian 138 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: and Bradley. That rock their world. That was the bow 139 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: on the package. I mean, they had this great life, 140 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: their future look totally Bryan, do you actually Wilcott judge 141 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: and trial lawyer COURTV anchor who deals a lot with 142 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: JEVENI all issues. When a step mom comes in, very 143 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: often that changes the entire scenario. What absolutely does the 144 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: entire family dynamic. And what's interesting to hear in this 145 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 1: case is that the stepdaughter and the stepmother got close. 146 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: That doesn't always happen. I often see step parent come 147 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: into a home dynamic and the children are not forging 148 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: a good relationship with the step parent. Of a stepparent 149 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: may not be loving and adoring to that child. But 150 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: this case does not sound like that. It sounds like 151 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: they really truly enjoyed each other and were building a 152 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: great family together. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we 153 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 1: are talking about how a mild mannered Orthodonnis David Harris 154 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 1: ends up a human speed bump dead in a case 155 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: we're calling death by Mercedes. These two had the perfect marriage, 156 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:37,719 Speaker 1: as it seemed on the outside, but then things went sideways. 157 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Sharon Martin. David Harris 158 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: and Gil Bridges would spend time had David and Clara's lakehouse. 159 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: They would go to hotels. Certainly a favorite was the Hilton, 160 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: the very same Hilton that was right next to the 161 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: country club where the Harrises were married. Before long, the 162 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: couple wasn't even trying to conceal the affect except from 163 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: David's wife Clara and daughter Lindsay. But eventually word of 164 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: her husband's associate made its way back to Clara, one 165 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: of the ladies that was working at david Santel office, 166 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: who took her out to dinner one night and told 167 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: her that she needed to be aware that she may 168 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: have a problem in her marriage and that she should 169 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: address That was the first time that Clara really had 170 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: an inclination that there was something seriously wrong. Clara told 171 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: David's sixteen year old daughter Lindsay. Lindsay, who always felt 172 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: close to Clara, immediately took her side. Then, on the 173 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: morning of Wednesday, July seventeenth, two thousand and two, Clara 174 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 1: confronted David about Gail. David admitted to the affair. Did 175 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: he not even care enough to try to lie his 176 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: way out of it for Pete's sake? Or was he 177 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: just busted red handed? Doctor Bethany Marshall Psycho Alice joining 178 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: me out of Beverly Hills at dtor Bethany Marshall dot com. 179 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: What you know? I always remember reading the actual paper, 180 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: the actual paper growing up. The first thing I would 181 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: read as a little girl, in a teen into college 182 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: was Dear Abbey, And people would always say, I know 183 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: my friend's husband's having a fairy. Should I tell her? 184 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: Abby always said x nay on the ab blake, don't blab, 185 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: don't say a word, stay an, let them work it out. 186 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: For all you know, she may already know. Jump in, 187 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: you're the shrink. I'm just a lawyer. I agree with 188 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: you and Hanny's Abbey. If you know your best friend, okay, well, okay, 189 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: I agree with Abby. If your best friend's husband's having 190 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: an affair, you don't need to tell your friend because 191 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: your friends should already know on some level when there's 192 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: trouble in paradise. Both people know about it. I think 193 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: that there was trouble brewing in this marriage. I mean, 194 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: if he was having an affair, there would be unexplained absences. 195 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: There would be, you know, charges on credit cards. There 196 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: were good, great bathony. You think I get through David's charges. 197 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: I tried to read his computer one time. I told 198 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: you what happened. My eyes started bleeding. It was so boring. 199 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: Let me just say my eyes dried up. That's even 200 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: more boring than bleeding. I'm not gonna look through his 201 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: credit cards. And yes, sometimes to say bye in the morning, 202 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: I don't hear from him till supper time. You know what. 203 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: That's fine, that's okay with me. But why would I 204 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: rance that rubble through his uh credit cards? I mean, 205 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: why would you suspect? But we also don't know about 206 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: Clara's character. We don't know if she had a personality 207 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 1: oh here you go. Don't know if she's Larry imagining 208 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: all of these mental illnesses on people. Why would she 209 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: suspect her husband? You know what? Hold on, Hold on, 210 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: Bobby Bosh, your private investigator, Blue Moon Investigations. Clara Harris 211 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: actually hired Blue Moon to follow her husband. So that's 212 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: really going out alone when you're willing to part with 213 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: money to because you're so suspicious of your husband. What 214 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: about this woman taking her out to whatever it was, dinner, lunch, coffee, 215 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: is saying you have a problem. That was her, basically 216 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: the woman who took her out or actually they worked 217 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know this. They worked in 218 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: separate clinics. Clara worked about forty five minutes from her 219 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: house at David worked right in town. Clara worked out 220 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: of the Clute, Texas office, and David worked out the 221 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: clear Lake office. The Clute was more of like your 222 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: every poor families. You know, she's probably there to help 223 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: the poor, and David's doing all the high paying clients 224 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: with the insurance and the clear Lake office. Well, now 225 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: wait a minute, wait a minute, who wait? Right, she's 226 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: a dentist. He's an orthodonist. Right, she's a dentist. He's 227 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: an orthosode. He put in the I don't know that 228 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: insurance covers orthodontia. Yeah, but I don't think it does. 229 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: So he would be seeing people that could write a 230 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: check for bryces, and she would be seeing people that 231 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: involved insurance. I mean insurance medicaid all that. Yes, so okay, 232 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: they were separate office. Now who's this woman this friend? Yes, 233 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: this is a woman who worked in the office. And 234 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: she basically was David's bookkeeper. And I don't have her name, 235 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: so I'm sorry about that, and I'm not sure if 236 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: she wanted revealed, but um, she basically was the bookkeeper. Um, 237 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: when they hired the Claire always called the other woman 238 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: the other woman. When they hire hired Gail m. Thompson, 239 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: that was her maiden name, Bridges was her married name. 240 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: But when they hired Gil Thompson, um this and trained 241 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: Gale to work because Gale was a new divorcee and 242 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: she had children or yes, and so they hired her 243 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: and this woman trained her. But apparently, I'm David took 244 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: interest in Gale right away. Gale very petite, totally opposite 245 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: of Clara. Clara was very strong. She was a powerful woman. 246 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: Clara dominated a contrary to what they were saying in 247 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: that audio earlier, Clara was the dominant force in the marriage. 248 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: And she's the one who picked the vacations. She's the 249 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: one who picked what they did. She basically said everything, 250 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: and David would jump and also Lindsay and her. Yes, 251 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: she might have gotten David close to Lindsay in the beginning, 252 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: but when Clara got pregnant, she had to go she 253 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: because remember Clara had to go get pregnant. I think 254 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: she had to get inseminated, you know, they had to. 255 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly what they did, but she ended 256 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: up with twins. As usually happens when you're trying to 257 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: get pregnant, you might have twins, and so she had 258 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: twin boys. After she had the twins, she basically kind 259 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: of cut Lindsay out of the relationship with them. It 260 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,719 Speaker 1: was Clara and the boys. And from what I'm understanding, 261 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: she would actually physically cut Lindsay out of pictures that 262 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: put the boys and really didn't have a place for 263 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: Lindsay to stay when she visited. So but Lindsay would 264 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 1: visit for I believe. I think it was a mound 265 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: or two months in the summer, and they would usually 266 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: vacation together with friends affairs, and I think it was 267 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: the Fondren Roberta and Mike Fondre. Mike Frondren worked for 268 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 1: David for Clara Harris and the Clute Clinic as the 269 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: driver and person who took care of her Mercedes from 270 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: what I understand. But anyway, Clara basically worked at that 271 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: other clinic. David worked at the clear Lake Clinic. And 272 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: this woman that worked at the clear Lake Clinic is 273 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: the one who parent We got jealous of the new 274 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: hire Gil Thompson, and decided today she was watching him 275 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: go to lunch together. It was all fine. Well, apparently 276 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: you know, there was not a problem. And from what 277 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: I understand, Gil said she would go to lunch with David. 278 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: The whole office knew it. Everyone knew it. She said 279 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: that David said it was an open marriage, that he 280 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: was divorcing, and everyone knew it. And whoa, whoa wait, wait, 281 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: how in the hey do we go? Doctor Chris Berry, 282 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: former Chief Medical exam or State of Georgia. You and 283 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 1: I would go to lunch together when we were I 284 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: was prosecuting, and we had so many cases together, and 285 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: we had a good time. You know, it was kind 286 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: of a break from the Of course, all we talked 287 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: about were dead bodies, but that was a good time. 288 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: To me, what is wrong with having lunch with somebody 289 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: you work with? It? How the hey? I mean, do 290 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: you remember that doctor Sperry yeah, I remember. Those were 291 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: some of the happy times in prosecuting when you could 292 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: go out with a colleague or somebody that understood what 293 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: you're talking about. That's hard to find in our line 294 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: of business. Doctor sporting crime stories with Nancy Grace, guys 295 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: were talking about an orthodonus ends up a human speed 296 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: bump dead. We call it death by Mercedes. But doctor Bethany, 297 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: you know they're good intentioned friends that will tell you 298 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: your spouse is cheating and they think they're doing you 299 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: a favor. And honestly, I mean, if David was cheating, 300 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: I would want to know. I definitely would want to 301 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: know so I could go ahead and kill them and 302 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: be done with that. I didn't say that, but don't know, Bethany. 303 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: So you're still sticking to your guns about don't tell, 304 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: don't say anything. That's kind of hard to do right 305 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: when you know something's happening. It's a very sticky situation 306 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 1: to be in. I just think the unconscious is such 307 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: a powerful thing, and if your spouse is cheating, you're 308 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: going to know. Very rarely is a spouse Do you 309 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: mean you're subconscious? Did I actually get to correct, doctor 310 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: beth It's never happened in life. All that take. So 311 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: you're saying, just give it to me by doctor, best 312 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: analyze me. Yes, No, then your spouse is cheating. When 313 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: a man is cheating, the wife tends to know. She 314 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: may choose to not put her thoughts together about it. 315 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 1: She may choose to sweep it under the carpet or tonight, 316 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: to deny that it's happening. But when her friend takes 317 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: her to lunch and says there's trouble in your marriage, 318 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: your husband is cheating, all that denial goes right out 319 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: the window. And that's what causes people to snap sometimes. 320 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: And I wanted to say something about the husband saying 321 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: that they were in an open relationship. I've been arrive 322 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: at practice for almost thirty yrriage. I rearenactly what marriage says. 323 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: That's always the man in the open marriage. The wife 324 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: seemingly doesn't know anything about it, exactly. Only one person 325 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: knew that the narrative or held his camerage him and 326 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: his girlfriend. Okay, guys, take a listen to most evil 327 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: Neil Dadge. Listen to this. When she confronts her, he 328 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: admits to having an affair with his receptionist, Gail Clara 329 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: is devastated. She makes David tell her everything about Gail's 330 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: According to David, she is younger, more attractive, and caters 331 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: to his niece. Clara takes notes during their conversation, comparing 332 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 1: herself to Gail and writing down her own shortcomings. Willing 333 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: to do anything to save their marriage, Clara joins a gym, 334 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 1: has her nails and hair done, and goes to a 335 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: tanning salon. She puts some money down at a plastic 336 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: surgeons for a tummy tuck and breast augmentation. She even 337 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 1: leaves her job to be more available for David's sexual desires. Okay, 338 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: let me just let that sink in from say you 339 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: leave your job. I can see that my peripheral vision. 340 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: Jackie laughing into her fist. YEP, she is, Okay, did 341 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: I get that right, Bobby Bosh? I probably an investigator, 342 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: believe me an investigations. Clara Harris quits her job to 343 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: be more sexually available to her husband, but they don't 344 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: think they can't work around. I did not hear that 345 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: she actually quit her job. She may have not gone 346 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: to some days of her job, but she didn't actually quit. 347 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 1: So when she came to us, it was in the 348 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: afternoon after she got off of work. You know, she 349 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 1: may have taken some days off that I don't think 350 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: she quit her job, so she was actually still working, 351 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: but she had taken days off. But Clara, actually, you 352 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: know what an idiot David was. I mean, you would say, oh, 353 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: your your feet are big, her feet are small, she 354 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: has big yes to change her feet? Yeah, he said, 355 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 1: she has pete petite, she has tiny feet and you 356 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: have big feet. Um, she's small framed and we fit 357 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: well together and you're big frames and we're awkward together. Um. 358 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: She's got small, pretty little teeth and you've got big teeth. Um, 359 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: how did you change your teeth? How do you change 360 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: your feet? She's got big breasts and you have small breaths. Um, 361 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: she's small, she's tiny, and you're heavy. So I think 362 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 1: she was weighing probably like one eight five time she'd 363 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: had twins, her beautiful bloody and had twins. Yeah. So um, 364 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: so you know, so he was, you know, he was 365 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: an idiot to admit it. But now also she made 366 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: him do it. Well wait a minute, wait a minute. 367 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: You know Ash Willcott, Jess and trial lawyer. Of course 368 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: he'd the anchor I've seen mini meny divorces as part 369 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: of criminal law that end in a felony, usually somebody 370 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: taking a shot at somebody grounds for a divorce. You 371 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: have big feet. You ever heard that? God, that's what it's. 372 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 1: I've just been biting my tongue, Nancy, because I just 373 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: starting to sing together. Now, Oh my gosh. Clearly, clearly, 374 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 1: clearly there are bigger issues in this marriage, because all 375 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: of these things he's coming up with, that he's making 376 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: up just means that he has no interest in his 377 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: wife and doesn't want to be married to her. Please. 378 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: The other thing I have to say is, you know 379 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: she was described as the dominant force in the marriage 380 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: that David would jump when it doesn't justify his one 381 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: out and having an affair. He doesn't even want to 382 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: be with his wife, and he's coming up with all 383 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: these little things about her. He doesn't even like. You know. 384 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: Another thing I heard earlier that like, for instance, she 385 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: would pick the vacation. That means nothing to me. I 386 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: pick our vacations, where we're gonna go, how we're gonna 387 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: do it. David works like a maniac. He really has 388 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: his nose to the grindstone. If I didn't come up 389 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: with a vacation plan. The whole thing. Go rent the RV. 390 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: We wouldn't have a vacation. It's just that simple. So 391 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: he couldn't care less where we go. He loves being 392 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 1: with us. He goes willingly, but he doesn't stop and 393 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: make a plan. I don't hold that against him because 394 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 1: I like what I plan. So long story short, that 395 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: means nothing to me about her being quote dominant, because 396 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: she would pick vacations and other similar examples. But when 397 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: she finds out about the affair, take a listen to 398 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 1: our cut seven Sharon Martin. On July twenty three, Clara 399 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: walked into the Blue Moon Detective Agency. She wanted us 400 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: to get close and listen to conversations if we could, 401 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: because she wanted to know what his plans were, and 402 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: of course that he went to a hotel or anything 403 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: like that. To document any adultery, because even though he 404 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: had invest you still have to document the adultery. For 405 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: court in Texas, everything is split fifty fifty. Unless she 406 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: can prove adultery, you can ask for up to ninety 407 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: percent of the assets. Blue Moon assigned an agent named 408 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: Lucas to the case and a few days later, she 409 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: checked back with the agency to see how things were going. 410 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: Lucas finally called them back. He said, your case is 411 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: going fine. They're at a hotel fourth or sixth floor. 412 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 1: You'll get a full report tomorrow after noon. Clara knew 413 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: just which hotel, and she wasn't going to wait until 414 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: tomorrow afternoon to get a full report sixteen year old 415 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: Lindsay in toe. Clara climbed into her Mercedes and headed 416 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: down to the Hilton to confront David head On. Okay, 417 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: that's what I don't get. She grabs her husband's bio child, 418 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: sixteen year old Lindsay and takes her to go confront 419 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: her dad about having a fair I don't think I 420 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: would take the children along on that particular joy ride. 421 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: She also knows she's no idiot that in Texas there's 422 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: a fifty fifty split of marital assets unless adultery has 423 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: proven and the wrong spouse can get up to ninety 424 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 1: percent of the assets. Wow, well you know what to do? You, 425 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: Ray Ki Puto, lead anchor Orlando's Morning News, I mean, Dbo, Ray, 426 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 1: they get to the hotel, what happens then, well, simply 427 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 1: put Nancy clariflies into a rage. You know, she's got 428 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: Lindsay with her. First thing she does is she goes 429 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: up to Gal's navigator in the parking lot and she 430 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 1: gets the windshield wipers and she bends the blades that 431 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the plastic part. We're talking about 432 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: like the metal part that's really hard to bend. I mean, 433 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: it just shows how angry she was, you know. And 434 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: then from there she goes from the parking lot and 435 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 1: messing with the suv, she storms upstairs into the lobby 436 00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: of the Hilton where presumably David and gall Or out 437 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 1: when she's got Lindsay and toast still and you know, 438 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 1: things just keep getting worse. Wow, crime stories with Nancy 439 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: Grace guys and well loved and respected local orthodonist is 440 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: victim to quote death by Mercedes and joining me right now. 441 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: The private investigator who worked on the case, Bobby Basha, 442 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: and as it happened to be, you guys apparently were 443 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: there surveiling him. Is that correct? We were surveying David 444 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: And obviously what was unknown to it, something that no 445 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: one knew at the time, was Clara was, you know, 446 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: so worried about not finding David that night that she 447 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: actually asked the assistance that was worked with David that 448 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: night to fallow him. Unknown to us, the assistant that 449 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: told her about the affair. So when you said Clara 450 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: flew into a rage and got into her car, she 451 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: was already at the hotel when she called us wanting 452 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: an update on the base. She knew the hotel. She knew, Wow, 453 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: Well what did you see? What did you observe? We 454 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: saw David, basically we saw data and meet up with 455 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: Scale and her navigator was parked in the back and 456 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: his car was parked in the back. He basically left 457 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: his work, went to an ATM machine, got cash, went 458 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: straight to the hotel. He met up with um, you know, 459 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: the other woman, Gale and her navigator, and they parked 460 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: in the back. They went inside the hotel and they 461 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: sat in the bar at the bar. So you saw, 462 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: you saw all of that happening, right, And they said 463 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: at the bar talk okay, and hour went back to 464 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: the car, then eventually checked back into the hotel. And 465 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: you saw all of that. We got all of that. 466 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: And so there these two are going up to their 467 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: hotel room. Take a listen to Clara Harris herself speaking 468 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: to our friends at ABC. As Clara Harris continues her story, 469 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: she and Lindsay called David Harris on his cell phone. 470 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: He had told them he was going to a restaurant, 471 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: but instead he and his mistress come out of a 472 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: room at the hotel. When the elevator opens into the lobby, 473 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: Lindsay and Clara are there. He was holding her hand 474 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: up like he used to hold my hand many times 475 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: when he would call me that I was his princess, 476 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: in his sweetheart, in the very special manner. And I 477 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: just looked at her. She was in the even surprised 478 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: to see me. I grabbed her by her hair on 479 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:53,479 Speaker 1: their mind side, and I remember Davidson. Oh no, no, no. 480 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: A fierce struggle erupts. David Harris shouts at his wife 481 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: it's over, it's over. He and Gale Bridges are escorted 482 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: outside to her car, while another hotel employees steers Clara 483 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: and Lindsay to her mercedes, saying don't go where they're going. Wow. 484 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: So this turns into and outright brawl. So Clara Harris 485 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: to wife, goes up the elevator into her husband's teen 486 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: girl and they confront the two getting off the elevator. 487 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: Listen to this. Clara grabbed Lindsay and returned to the Mercedes. 488 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: The two women got back in the car. What happened 489 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: next would be debated for years to come. From witness statements, 490 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: what I was told was that she had pulled out 491 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: of her parking spot, had drove around to where Miss 492 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: Bridges was parked, struck the navigator and mister Harris. He 493 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: flew approximately twenty five to thirty feet and he crossed 494 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: a grassy median. Two grassy medians, which about twenty five 495 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: feet apart. Oh while Lindsay sat in the passenger seat. 496 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: She crossed over the first one. She crossed over the 497 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: second grassy median, and from what witness has told us 498 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,719 Speaker 1: was that she had ran over him again. Police were 499 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: soon summoned to the scene. At that point, I did 500 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: not know he was five or dead. I was told 501 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: that m he was injured, pretty battling, but I did 502 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: not know if he was alive or dead at that time. 503 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: I didn't know until I was contacted later by my 504 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,959 Speaker 1: lieutenant from the hospital. David Harris was pronounced dead at 505 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: ninety eight pm. She had to go over two medians 506 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: to run him over Ray Kaputo two medians. Well, that 507 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: that was the distance that David was thrown. So she 508 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: hits him and he's tossed about twenty five thirty feet, 509 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: which is a couple of car length, and then she 510 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: gets her car and kind of starts doing a donut 511 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: and in that radius, she covers that distance and ends up, 512 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: according to witnesses, hitting David again. Now she denies this, 513 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: but that's what several witnesses upset. Bobby Bosha is with me, 514 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: private eye at Blue Moon Investigations who was actually hired 515 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: by Clara Harris to follow her husband David. So what 516 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: did you guys observe happen in the parking lot? Bobby Bosha, Well, 517 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: this was one of the first videos actually caught a 518 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: murder caught on a video. We caught a video of 519 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: David actually being run over, you know, tonuts over him, 520 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: like several times. We counted five. The jurors basically thought 521 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: it was more. They agreed that at least three times, 522 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: maybe four. I've never seen an autopsy report with actual 523 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: tire marks on the victim, and this one did had that. 524 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: It was very very very obvious he was run over 525 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: and that's what we caught on our video and by 526 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: the way, he landed in the parking lot of where 527 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: Clara and David had their wedding reception. Okay, same parking lot. Wow, irony, guys, 528 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to a detail 529 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: of David Harris's injuries. Take a listen to Sharon Martin 530 00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: flows from the lower job. The right colin was broken. 531 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: Six of the right ribs were broken. But then as 532 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: the tire progressed across the left side of the chest, 533 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 1: the car was supported by nothing except the ribs, and 534 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: so the left ribs essentially from the first rib to 535 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,399 Speaker 1: the tenth rib, we're all fractured multiply. The left side 536 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: of his chest was essentially collapsed. Clara was arrested and 537 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: charged with murder. But was it murder or a tragic 538 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: mistake by a desperate woman. That would be up to 539 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: the jury to decide, and they would have plenty of help. 540 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: The Blue Moon Detective Agency called the whole Thing team, 541 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: joining me doctor Chris Sperry, former chief medical Examiner for 542 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,919 Speaker 1: the whole State of Georgia. Doctor Sperry, can you analyze 543 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: his injuries predominantly he's going to have tremendous crushing injuries 544 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,919 Speaker 1: to the chest and then the abdomen with a lot 545 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: of organs torn to pieces, maybe the liver christ and 546 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: the heart torn loose, and all of these would correlate 547 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: with the tire marks or the outside of the body 548 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: that shows where the vehicle went over his body and 549 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:07,800 Speaker 1: then disrupted all the internal organs beneath that. So with 550 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: multiple areas of tire marks, it's a little more challenging, 551 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: but you could still see the injuries very readily on 552 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 1: the inside and even an assess how long he was conscious, 553 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 1: perhaps how much pain he was he sustained before he 554 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: finally lost enough blood or had a brain injury. Say 555 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 1: that you know that would render him unconscious. So this 556 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: could be put put together pretty well, I mean to 557 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,399 Speaker 1: you joining me Cheryl McCollum, director a cold case research institute. 558 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,399 Speaker 1: When you put it to a jury what happened and 559 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: they hear about her apparently doing donuts over his body, 560 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: it's easy to throw out the phrase death by Mercedes, 561 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: but you also have evidence where he told her he 562 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 1: was having an affair because the new woman who he 563 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,760 Speaker 1: called my princess, her words, not mine, she had small feet, 564 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: and the wife had big feet, and she was petite, 565 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: and the wife was tall like an amazon. And he 566 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: says she had big breasts and the wife has small breasts. 567 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: You know, you get the right jury for a defense lawyer, 568 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: and you'll end up with not guilty. The rest of 569 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: the story Clara Harris Convicted. Final epilogue Clara Harris released 570 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: from prison after just fifteen short years, and as she 571 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 1: was released for the camera's watching, she smiled. Nancy Grace 572 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,720 Speaker 1: Crime Stories signing off goodbye friend.