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Speaker 2: Going on, everybody. Welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast from

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Speaker 2: the Action Network and Fantasy Labs. I'm your host, Chris Raybond,

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Speaker 2: and I'm joined as always by the odds maker Sean Kerner,

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Speaker 2: and we are going to jump into part two of

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Speaker 2: our AFC Training Camp episode. Sean, it's been quite marathon

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Speaker 2: these things. I knew these, knew these would run long day.

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Speaker 2: Our producer shout out to our guy deep paying. He

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Speaker 2: thought we were going to do this. These in just

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Speaker 2: two episodes. The end of scretion probably could have been eight.

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Speaker 2: I mean, could have gotten an episode per division at

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Like these have been amazing. We're doing a

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Speaker 1: You want to have your priors ready to go, yes,

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Speaker 2: Any thoughts on any futures that I should be aware of?

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Speaker 2: Who you got for the chick oh.

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Speaker 3: Doug Well, I like, I'm all in on NFL now.

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Speaker 1: The one future I locked in a few weeks ago

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Speaker 1: I do it all the time when I'm juggling different

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like sometimes the thing when you confuse a name

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Speaker 2: break out? Is he the new Kyle Pitts?

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Speaker 2: So I don't what are your thoughts here?

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Speaker 1: I think I brought him up on like a Best

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Speaker 1: So Coleman's just there's a bigger delta between regular season

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Speaker 1: No, But is he on the roster. No, he's a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like all everybody in this offense has uh you

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Speaker 1: you know, Tua getting injured, which has been a thing obviously,

432
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 1: really just tanks about everybody in this offense.

433
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 2: Who's the It's Zach Wilson.

434
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: The Yeah, yeah, So.

435
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 2: I mean hopefully it'll be better than what was it,

436
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 2: skywar Thompson and Tyler Huntly but and.

437
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 3: Our boy Tim Boyle. I mean, it can't get much

438
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 3: worse than that.

439
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 2: Oh man, Yeah, that's all right, let's uh what do

440
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 2: you got dolphins?

441
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 3: Yeah?

442
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: So just you know, they they got rid of John

443
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: new Smith and they brought in Darren Waller. So just

444
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: how do you see this shaking out? Assuming Waller stays healthy,

445
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: is he gonna be able to command the same target

446
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: shair John Who had or those going elsewhere? Like, how

447
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 1: do you see this working out?

448
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 2: Uh? Not well, not not not very well. Like I

449
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 2: think John Who, that John new Wait resurgence is gonna

450
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 2: kind of make us more blowish than we should be

451
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 2: on Darren Waller, who I mean, this is the last

452
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 2: thing that Miami Dolphins need. Did you hear how down

453
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 2: Darren Waller talked about how he decided he was going

454
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 2: to retire. I think it was that Giant Buffalo where

455
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 2: tyro Chwast missed him on the Yeah, well, yeah, that's

456
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 2: that's what he was talking about. He's like, they had

457
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 2: me at lead blocking like a full back and then yeah,

458
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 2: I was like, I am, I can't do this anymore.

459
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 2: I didn't tell anybody, but I decided right then in there,

460
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 2: and they ain't playing more. I think, dude, that was

461
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 2: so like the last thing that Dolphins need is like

462
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 2: wishy washy uh, injury prone, past their prime, lack, probably

463
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:18,479
Speaker 2: not totally committed a veterans like that. That's just the

464
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 2: last thing Miami needs right now. So I don't I

465
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 2: don't think it'll work out quite well. I mean they

466
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 2: also have Westbrook, a Keenegg and uh in the league Washington,

467
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 2: so I mean they could they could just use what's

468
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 2: his name, Julian Hill is an inline tight end and

469
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: not have to really like it just seems desperate to me,

470
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,959
Speaker 2: great right move by the Giants to get an asset

471
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 2: for him, because you know, I mean they got like

472
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 2: a weight round pick. But yeah, I mean, what do.

473
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 1: You what do you? What do you?

474
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 2: Where are you? I think I have war like tight

475
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,479
Speaker 2: end twenty four, just kind of slidding them into like

476
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 2: a fault number of uh production. But I I mean,

477
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 2: I'm not really bullish at all.

478
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that same I just put in a default U projection.

479
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: We'll see how it goes. That's kind of my point

480
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: where we're heading in a training camp. I have no

481
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: idea how this is going to turn out. I was

482
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 1: I was disappointed when I saw them bring him in

483
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: out of retirement. I was hoping they would do something

484
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: like trade for Michael Mayer, like that would be fun.

485
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just a lot of uncertainty. I mean,

486
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 1: he sat out last year. Who knows what kind of

487
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 1: shape he's in. So just one of those things. We'll

488
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: have to see how it works out. But yeah, I

489
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: think it's gonna result in more targets. I think for

490
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: you know, Tyreek Waddle and Westbrook A Kine, so I think,

491
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: you know it, I raised their projections slightly because John

492
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: U was such you know, asset in this offense last

493
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: year that I think Waller is definitely a downgrade. But again,

494
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: he probably won't play the entire season, so I think

495
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 1: we will see games where Julian Hill is the lead

496
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: tight end and that's just gonna the Dolphins offense from

497
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: a few years ago where it's heavily concentrated through Tyreek

498
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: Hill and German Wall. I think it will slowly return

499
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: back to that, uh, you know with John U Gunn.

500
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that offense coming back. You think

501
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 2: that's I don't think that. I mean I think I

502
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 2: think the weak figured that out. And now concussions, oh yeah,

503
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's harder for them to get the

504
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: ball now though, because like a lot of it was

505
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 2: just like a couple of years ago, they start they

506
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 2: were throwing downfield and Tua was near the top of

507
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 2: the league in AA and and then they kind of

508
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 2: figured out how to defend it. And now and it's

509
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 2: with all the concussion situations in this terrible old line,

510
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,719
Speaker 2: they pretty much don't want to risk him at all.

511
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 2: So now he's like this underneath thrower, which is why

512
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 2: I guess John Hue and h and we're you know,

513
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: getting so much well, but I'm worried that might continue,

514
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 2: which is I guess why I'm little skeptical of of

515
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 2: of their receivers. Like the talent is there, but it's

516
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 2: it's just not as easy to get those guys the

517
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 2: ball because they're not going to risk to a like

518
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 2: just while we gagging in the pocket and now have

519
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: what arms they're retired, So I mean, could they might

520
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 2: have the worst old line in there, like it's between

521
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: them Seattle. There's a few teams that I could see

522
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 2: you getting mad. So I mean, I'm I like the uh,

523
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 2: I like the underneath guys that well were I mean,

524
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: I guess from that standpoint, but he's like so soft,

525
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 2: like I just I don't know, man, I just I

526
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 2: feel like, like, what what ab the odd your tires again?

527
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: Before he plays a snap?

528
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: Before he plays like week yep, oh have to be

529
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: well over ten percent? Right, it's over ten percent?

530
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably not.

531
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: A coin flip, but yeah, it's it's there's a.

532
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 2: Chance one in five is yeah yeah yeah, Like I

533
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: was thinking, like, yeah, twenty percent chance.

534
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: He might try to get out of camp somehow, like

535
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: tend to be hurt or something, but yeah, it'll be

536
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: interesting to see. I didn't like to move at all.

537
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 2: So if he makes the roster its contract, like you

538
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: get like something becomes guaranteed when you make the week

539
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 2: run roster, right, and he's probably like allright, get the

540
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: bag chilling Miami, uh you know his South Beach and

541
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: then right when McDaniel asked me to lead block for

542
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: Ali Jordon call out a career again. For sure, I

543
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 2: knew the new England Patriots. What do you think the

544
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 2: how do you think the backfield split breaks out between

545
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: rookie trady On Henderson and uh Ramondre Stevenson, who is

546
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: familiar with McDaniels from his previous sin.

547
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think initially this will be pretty even time sure,

548
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: Like I think it's gonna be split down the middle.

549
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: I think, you know, Stevenson would probably be more of

550
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: the early down back, short yardage, goal line work, whereas

551
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: Henderson really dynamic player, Like my comp for him is

552
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,479
Speaker 1: like Aaron Jones, so, you know, very explosive player who

553
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: could put up really good numbers and just limited playing time.

554
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 3: I think he'll mix in as a pass catcher.

555
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: But I think as the season goes, I think Henderson

556
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: will leap frog Stevenson, especially if Stevenson continues having funneling

557
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: issues that's just going to accelerate even more. But I

558
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: like Henderson and this offense could take a step forward

559
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: this year. You know, Drake May entering year two, So

560
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: that would help both these running backs. There has been

561
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: drafts where I've drafted I've drafted both these backs plenty

562
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: of times. But I think at the end of the day,

563
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: Henderson is the more likely back to lead at the

564
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: end of the year. But I think early in the

565
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: season it's going to be closer to fifty to fifty,

566
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: with Henderson trending up as the season goes.

567
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: What about you, Yeah, that's how I see it. I'm

568
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: you know, McDaniel's is kind of tough to read sometimes,

569
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: but I view it. I think Henderson remember that those

570
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 2: couple of years when James White was like a top

571
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: five running back back in the era where like James

572
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 2: White and Danny Woodhead would be top five running back. Yeah,

573
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: I think Henderson kind of like similar to Harvey, might

574
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 2: be a little more pass focused than we think, and

575
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: Stevenson may be more of like a like a Dabid

576
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: Harris Sony Michelle type of guy. I mean, he could

577
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: definitely play in the past game too, But I just

578
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 2: I just wonder if that was kind of more of

579
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 2: the vision, uh for for for kind of how this

580
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 2: breaks out. But yeah, I think, you know, Stevenson, I've

581
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 2: been I've been buying the dip on him a bit too,

582
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: because Henderson is getting to that point. I mean, there's

583
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 2: there's still a bunch of uncertainty. He's not quite as

584
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: expensive as Harvey, uh, and I think the floor is higher,

585
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: but you know, there is still some questions to exactly

586
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 2: what his role is and that's not ideal again because

587
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 2: it's just an arms wide receiver arms race in those

588
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: middle rounds, So you gotta be, you gotta be. If

589
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: you're not sure about running back, just wait around and

590
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: there'll be another, you know, whole frozen pond of them

591
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 2: in that round. Round is like eight to twelve. It's

592
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: like half the running backs are going, so uh, it

593
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: really just depends on individual drafts. I kind of recommend

594
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 2: just wetting the value fall to you with these guys.

595
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 2: And for the for the most part, I'm treating all

596
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 2: these RB two, RB three guys it's like interchangeable for now,

597
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: except for like you know, a couple that like put

598
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: check on kind of out on and I'm high on toting.

599
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 2: But for the most part, I'm just trying to get

600
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 2: exposure to all of them in bastball, and as camp progresses,

601
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 2: we'll see it just got to take advantage of the ADPs.

602
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think I think Stevens will definitely be

603
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: involved and probably gets goal. On to your point, all right,

604
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: what are you looking at for New England?

605
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's let's talk about the wide receivers, specifically

606
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: Sefon Diggs. My main question for me personally is like

607
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: will he be ready for week one? Like how healthy

608
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: will it be? Will he be one hundred percent? Will

609
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: he be staying out of trouble the next few weeks?

610
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: We'll see, But do you think Diggs will be key

611
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: into unlocking Drake Maine year two for Fantasy?

612
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean you almost gotta treat May's rookie year

613
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: as kind of like Trevor Lawrence's rookie year with with

614
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: was the urban Meyer. I think, yeah, yeah, it was right, yeah,

615
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: because it was just a shit show that New England offense.

616
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: I mean.

617
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: They couldn't block, they couldn't catch, they couldn't get open,

618
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 2: they couldn't execute, like end of half and like it

619
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: was just oh bad. I mean, he was the one

620
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 2: of the only bright spots and every once in a

621
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 2: while you'd have like a tight end top. But uh,

622
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 2: I do think you know now he's this McDaniel's offense,

623
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: not not an easy offense. So I think there will

624
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: be somewhat of learning curve with you know, so I

625
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: don't think it'll be like I think he's probably still

626
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: a year away from that true unlocked, but I do

627
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: think for fantasy, like it won't take much because May

628
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 2: scrambled over ten percent of his dropbacks last season. So

629
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,919
Speaker 2: anytime you have a scramble rate like that, you can

630
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 2: kind of you're getting one of those rushing you're getting

631
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: that rushing up side. And he barely got any design runs.

632
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 2: You can see those increase this year, and his receiving

633
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 2: core can't get any worse. And you know this year,

634
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 2: I mean you got Williams. Maybe you know, we'll see

635
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 2: about him and what his learning curve is, but you

636
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: definitely have better weapons, and Henderson is a weapon. So yeah,

637
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: I think I think May for fantasy could end up

638
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 2: he could end up being alone QB one when it's

639
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 2: all of a sudden done like you know, kind of

640
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 2: in that bow Knick's territory where you look up and

641
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 2: it's like, oh yeah, he's got a bunch of like

642
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 2: top eight finishes. Uh So yeah, I do think. I

643
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: think Diggs just being a bit swept on too, because

644
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 2: what I mean, what else are they gonna do? Who

645
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 2: else are they throwing to? If they paid him so

646
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 2: much money that it's almost like they and and mcganner

647
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: is one of those veteran coordinators that I feel like,

648
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,959
Speaker 2: and vrabel to veteran coast that I feel like they're

649
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: gonna just pepper the veteran with targets. So yeah, yeah.

650
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 3: All, assuming he's healthy for real, I think.

651
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, But with him, I because it's if he is healthy,

652
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 2: you know, like he's not like one of those guys

653
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: where it's like, okay, he seems at least he doesn't

654
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 2: seem as much in danger of being like a pup

655
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 2: guy or anything like that. So I've actually been buying

656
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 2: the dip on on him because it kind of reminds

657
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 2: me a little bit of Davante Adams. We talked about

658
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 2: how people were getting fatigue of him changing teams. I

659
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: remember that first year with Big dan Is he never

660
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 2: came off the field and got peppered with targets. And

661
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 2: I mean, why else would you get Stefan Diggs at

662
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 2: this juncture? Uh, you know, if you're the Patriots, right,

663
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 2: like Mike Vrabel was hired to win games like this

664
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 2: is there. This is the second best team in the

665
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: AFC East. They are a bill's catastrophe away from challenging

666
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: for the division win. So I think this team is

667
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 2: gonna try to win games, and that means that probably

668
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 2: means targeting digs, maybe even more than they should be

669
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 2: targeting digs. But he can still he can still catch

670
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 2: like one hundred balls average like eleven yards per catch,

671
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 2: you know, put up a nice little eleven hundred yard season,

672
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 2: seven or eight touchdowns and give May just enough with

673
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: combined with the rushing to get a low end TB

674
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 2: one finish. So yeah, I like like digs and what

675
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 2: he does for May, but I think he's still a

676
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 2: year away from like that true, Like oh wow, like

677
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 2: this is this guy's special potential. Let's go to the

678
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 2: Jets justin fields. He's been climbing up boards. Do you

679
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 2: think he's again we're always searching for those guys with

680
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: the Russian upside? Viable? Has he been a viable QB

681
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: one well, like weight round QB one for you? Are

682
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 2: you relegating him to more of a QB two Do

683
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 2: you think he starts all the games. Do you think

684
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 2: they end up going with Tyrod? What's you're out with

685
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: the fields? Yeah, well he's not even a late round

686
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 2: quarterback anymore. He's going tenth now in Best Ball. Yeah

687
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: you're telling me? Yeah? Yeah, I mean no, I thought

688
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: it was nuts when he was up to like twelfth,

689
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: and I stopped drafting, and so I haven't like it's

690
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: been like looking at his eightyp since but yeah, oh

691
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: my goodness, it's still going last two days.

692
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's.

693
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 3: Still going up there.

694
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: There's not two people on Earth that understand his upside

695
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: more than you and I, But there were there were

696
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 1: other times to be taking justin fields right now, Probably,

697
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 1: isn't it, Because again, like he's maxed out at QB ten.

698
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: I think I think his job security is pretty safe.

699
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: I don't think they have much to gain by throwing

700
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor out there, So I think I think he'll

701
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: play most of the games barring you know, disaster. But

702
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: I have him like for you know, Best Ball. I

703
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: have him as like my QB fourteen, So I consider him,

704
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: you know, a solid QB two with massive rushing upside.

705
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: But outside of Garrett Wilson, he just doesn't have many

706
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: other options, so I think he is going to be

707
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 1: leaning on his legs a lot, so you know, he's

708
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: going to provide a nice rushing floor weekend and week out.

709
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 1: But I'm not taking him anywhere near you know, the

710
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: top ten quarterback. I think, you know, I'm still going

711
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: to be taking guys like bownecks Cale Williams in this range,

712
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: So I'd rather just wait and take a flyer on

713
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: some of the guys that we like, like Trevor Lawrence,

714
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy as opposed to taking Fields there. So he's

715
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 1: kind of in a purgatory for me in best ball.

716
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 1: But you know, when it comes to season long leagues

717
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: where you know he might actually fall because you know

718
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some drafts where he does go outside

719
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: of the top twelve, then I might take a flyer.

720
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: But right now I think the market's way too high

721
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: on him.

722
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough and basketball because he does have that

723
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: rushing upside we want, but there's there's starting to be

724
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: more of those guys, and like, okay, if you don't

725
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: think if you think there's any questions at all about

726
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 2: Fields's job security, which I mean there's probably more than

727
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: most quarterbacks going in that range, or pretty much all

728
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 2: quarterbacks going in that range. I would say he has

729
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 2: the least job security. Then like why can't why shouldn't

730
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: I just take Anthony Richardson like Keen rounds later for

731
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 2: the same probably even more upside. That's that's kind of

732
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 2: that's the issue with Fields. But at the same time,

733
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 2: if you do need two even three quarterback builds have

734
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 2: been have been working out and so you know Fields

735
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 2: QB one and then you still take you know, like

736
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 2: a Drake may or somebody else, and and maybe you

737
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 2: tap it off with Richardson or mill Row or whoever

738
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 2: your flavor is, Jackson Dart whatever. Wait, I could I

739
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 2: could see it, Like I don't I'm not avoiding him

740
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 2: Tanner Engstren you know comes over from Detroit that you

741
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: do have a defensive head coach. So with that, like

742
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: wo means Aaron Glenn probably probably have a run heavy squad.

743
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 2: So uh, but justin Fields, I mean, you're always you're

744
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 2: gonna run with justin Fields, you're gonna hand off, but

745
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: you're also gonna use him on a ton of design runs.

746
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 2: So I think he'll be fine. I mean he was

747
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 2: he was good with the He was productive with DJ

748
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 2: Moore a couple of years ago. Yeah, so you know

749
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 2: it's I think he could do just enough. He'll averages

750
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: like one hundred and eighty five yards passing and monster rushing,

751
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: and it's just does does he get benched at any

752
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: point or that the Jets like kind of goes super

753
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 2: tank weight in the year and give tirerods some snaps,

754
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 2: Like that's that's the question. Like QB twelve is like

755
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: now we're getting into Anthony Richardson territory all over again,

756
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: where it's like he's like at that point where it's

757
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: like I could get guys that are locked in or

758
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 2: just beef up the running backs that I had to

759
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 2: ignore for this wide receiver arms race in the middle

760
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 2: round or whatever. Like there's just a lot of value

761
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: there to where I agree it's the cost is becoming

762
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 2: a little bit rich for for fields, but he does

763
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 2: have that upside. What are you looking at for the

764
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: Jets heading the camp?

765
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so just trying to figure out, like who's gonna

766
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: step up to be the number two target behind Garrett

767
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: Wilson because you know, obviously DeVante Adams is now at

768
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: the Rams, so who do you think is gonna step

769
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: up to be the number two target in this offense?

770
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: And should we care? Should we be targeting anybody else

771
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: outside of Garret Wilson.

772
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: Probably probably Breeze Hall, but we shouldn't. We should not

773
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 2: care because we saw this with Fields like he will target,

774
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 2: he can target, is out an alpha dog number one.

775
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: I think Dj Moore, if I'm not mistaken, had like

776
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,479
Speaker 2: a two hundred yard game, maybe even three hundred yard

777
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 2: game with Fields. I think it was a Thursday night

778
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: game against the the Commanders a couple of years ago.

779
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 2: So Garrett Wilson, he's talented enough that I'm not as

780
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: worried about him, but I mean everything's set up for

781
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 2: him to be just a massive target hug And then

782
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 2: as long as Grease Hall is still in good graces

783
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 2: with the you know, with his team, I mean he's

784
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 2: probably make probably the number two because they can scheme

785
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 2: stuff for him. But Fields is not really gonna check

786
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: it down, so that that could be a concern. But

787
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 2: I mean he averages what career I think it's like

788
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 2: a one hundred and yeah bucks seventy five passing career

789
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 2: in forty four starts. Does justin fields average, So it's

790
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: it's really I mean, we're just hoping Garrett Wilson gets home.

791
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 2: But like to answer your question, I think I think

792
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 2: it'll be Josh Reynolds will be the number two, and

793
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 2: uh a Ryan's Smith. The rookie is intriguing as well.

794
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: But the guy I'm not, uh not the guy who

795
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: won't be It won't be Gibson and it won't be

796
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 2: Malachi Corley. That's that's for sure.

797
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about Taylor works You're kind of high on

798
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: him after that.

799
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, But the more like the more I look at it,

800
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 2: it's just like when you project it out, I mean

801
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: there's just a lot of tight end fact like I said,

802
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 2: I got Dalton konk like tight end twenty, you know

803
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: what I mean. There's just better guys to take whose

804
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 2: quarterbacks are projected for more than like one hundred, Like

805
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 2: are gonna essentially top out somewhere between a buck seventy

806
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 2: five and two hundred most likely in terms of the

807
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: past and Tyrod Taylor really would be projected for the

808
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 2: same yardage, right you You wouldn't really project Taylor for

809
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 2: anything more.

810
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: Than that, you would, so, yeah, he wouldn't like unlock anything,

811
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: it would be pretty similar. Yep.

812
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: So uh yeah, I mean Taylor it he could be

813
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 2: the number two guy. But I don't think anything's I

814
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 2: don't think there's really anything of value besides besides Wilson

815
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 2: Breesaw and may you get like Braylen Allen or to

816
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 2: step up in a kind of like a Montgomery Gibbs

817
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 2: type of split. If Eanngstern's gonna do what he did

818
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,919
Speaker 2: in Detroit or what Ben Johnson didn't Detroit. But yeah,

819
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 2: it's Jet You gotta try to lightly with this with

820
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 2: this Jets offense. Let's go the a fced not Central,

821
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: but North Baltimore. Ravens Keaton Mitchell. What do you think

822
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 2: of him is? Do you think he could potentially be

823
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 2: the handcuff if Derrick Henry goes down because Justice Hill

824
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 2: kind of that passed down, hurry up, third down specialist.

825
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 2: But Mitchell was a really explosive player, and now he's

826
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 2: a year removed from that injured seem like they wanted

827
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 2: to work him in. You think you think he kind

828
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: of takes over that role. You think it'll be more

829
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: of a like Justice Hill even split.

830
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think it'll be you know, committee, but yeah,

831
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: It's hard to look too much into Mitchell's numbers last year.

832
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: They really they were really cautious with him, But I

833
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: think he has the most pop. So in a situation

834
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: where it is a committee, where you know they're not

835
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: getting a ton of touches, Mitchell probably offers the most

836
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: upside because he can, you know, score from anywhere on

837
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: the field, So he.

838
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 3: Would be the handcuff. But again, anytime you have.

839
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: A situation where you're not certain and it's a running

840
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: back like Derrick Henry, it's not a situation I'm going

841
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: to be targeting necessarily. But I think of the two,

842
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: I think Mitchell would provide the most injury upside, Whereas

843
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 1: you know Hill might offer some value here or there

844
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: when Henry's active, that's not gonna be Mitchell. I think

845
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: Mitchell has the most to gain if Henry were to

846
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: miss time.

847
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think both of them could be valuable in

848
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 2: different ways if Henry goes down, because Baltimore extremely run

849
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:57,919
Speaker 2: heavy team because they have Derrick Henry. If Baltimore were

850
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: to not have Derrick Henry, they have a quarterback who

851
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 2: I don't know, only put up probably the best passing

852
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 2: season we've seen this side of what Joe Montana, Dan Marino,

853
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 2: I mean, just the most ridiculous season throwing the football

854
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: last year. So I think what would end up happening

855
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 2: in the event that Henry went down, what would be

856
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 2: Baltimore would just go to being a very past heavy team.

857
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: Remember Tom Munkin is there, It's not Roman anymore, so

858
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 2: they would probably just go super pass heavy and that

859
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 2: would benefit just as Hill. But at the same time,

860
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 2: like you said, Mitchell a lot of pop and last

861
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 2: year was just a lost year for him. I think

862
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 2: they just wanted to get him on the roster. Maybe

863
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: it was like some roster bonuses or something we didn't

864
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 2: know about, but it seemed like they just wanted him

865
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 2: to kind of have him on the roster and keep

866
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: him in bubble wrap. But he would be, like Hill

867
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 2: has been historically, more of like a passing down specialist.

868
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: So I think if Mitchell is healthy, which that's what

869
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 2: we're gonna monitoring camp, But if he's healthy and goes down,

870
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 2: I mean there's a lot of upside there because Mitchell

871
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 2: could probably wouldn't be like Henry usage, but I could

872
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 2: see Mitchell getting like Gus Edwards usage, you know, like

873
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 2: twelve thirteen ish carries if he can handle it, and

874
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 2: then he'll he'll gets the rest and there's probably some

875
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 2: random veteran third guy that never plays so or Rashiinawi.

876
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm I've been taking to Mitchell. He's another

877
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 2: one of those guys that's just he's basically free in bastball.

878
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: And it's like Henry's one of those guys where if

879
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 2: somebody drafted him or early. I want to be able

880
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 2: to capitalize off that with a guy that you know,

881
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 2: is you know, not costing me. There's all upside there.

882
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 2: So I do like Mitchell, but it's also very possible

883
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 2: that he'll sees a nice bump because they could just

884
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: become super passive. So where are you on Henry? By

885
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 2: the way, Like, are you you know he's getting up

886
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 2: there in age? I know we talked he's no, we

887
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: say he never gets hurt. But have you been drafting

888
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:57,919
Speaker 2: him or is he kind of been at McCaffrey boat

889
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 2: for you too?

890
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, I've been drafting him.

891
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: I think he's still a steal even at what is

892
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 1: he now thirty two? But just this is similar to

893
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley, just like the perfect offense for him. I

894
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: was remember last year, I was saying how many touchdowns

895
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: he missed out on by being on the Titans instead

896
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: of the Ravens. So I think he's still got it.

897
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: I think he still has probably another couple of years,

898
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: who knows. But I'm still getting Henry. I actually have

899
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: him as my RB five. So yeah, still love getting Henry.

900
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: Still think there's a ton of touch on upside. They're

901
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: not really concerned about, you know, Andrey risk. Again, he's

902
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: he's a different breed, Like there's never been a back

903
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: quite like him. So I think he's he's breaking all

904
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: the age curves for a reason. So yeah, still super

905
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: super high on Henry.

906
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I do think he takes a step back.

907
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 2: I mean, like fa the time is undefeated and he's

908
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 2: had an amazing He's just had such a string of

909
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 2: amazing season. But you know, there he is a bigger guy.

910
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 2: He had, you know, a deeper playoff run than he's

911
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 2: probably used to. You know that that's not when you're

912
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 2: on the Titans. It didn't happen often. So I think

913
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 2: he is a little bit more elevated in terms of

914
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 2: injury risk than he's been at any other point in

915
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 2: his career, and really the only way to stop him

916
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 2: is you got to go low on him. So my

917
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,919
Speaker 2: concern is if he does get hurt, you know, big

918
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 2: body guy, older, Uh you know, it could be it

919
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 2: could be a bad injury if he does get hurt.

920
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 2: So yeah, I again, that's why I like getting some

921
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 2: of it, like Bucky and a Chan just because I

922
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 2: am gente. Because I just think like the younger guys

923
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 2: might be the cheat code this year, like everyone's memo

924
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 2: for for like passing up on Barkley like twice in

925
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 2: Henry twice in draft because they were going like second

926
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 2: third round. That Now, I think it might. It's just

927
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 2: hard for running backs to string together. He's played three

928
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 2: straight full seasons essentially with three hundred plus touches. I

929
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 2: guess just hard. But the year before that eight games,

930
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 2: So it's like it's just hard to string together for

931
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 2: five you know what I mean? Five? So I'm expecting

932
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 2: to miss games at least this year at least well.

933
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:20,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, who knows, knock on wood, but yeah, he's defying

934
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: age curves. He takes care of his body. I mean,

935
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: he works out in a very efficient way, eats right,

936
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: So he's doing everything right off the field to stay

937
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: in shape and stay healthy. But yeah, like you said,

938
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: father Time is undefeated, he's gonna fall off at some point.

939
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: That it'll probably come through, yeah, missing games because he

940
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 1: gets hurt and can't recover as fast as he used to.

941
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: So whether that happens this year or next, who knows,

942
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: it's definitely gonna happen because he's not gonna be playing

943
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: like this in his late thirties, So yeah, i'd be

944
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 1: cautious about that. But again, just in this offense, you know, massive,

945
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: he has massive touch on upside. They don't like he's

946
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson around the goal line, so you know, he

947
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: just has a massive target share, So that's why I

948
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: target him. But yeah, the risk is there for him

949
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: and honestly every running back you know in the first

950
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: round as well, so you know it goes with it.

951
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm still still high on Henry even though

952
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: he's in age thirty two to thirty three season.

953
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 2: Fantasy Flex listeners, We've got some very exciting news this year.

954
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 2: We're gonna do a live Fantasy Flex event on August

955
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:34,040
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956
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,920
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957
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:43,439
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958
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,920
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959
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 2: going to be a really dope atmosphere. So hoping to

960
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 2: meet as many of you guys as we can come through.

961
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,439
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962
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,120
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963
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 2: here on the Fantasy Flex Podcast in a coming week,

964
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 2: so be sure to keep it locked again. That Saturday,

965
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 2: August twenty third, Joe's on Weed Street in the Shy

966
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 2: or the Fantasy Flex Live event of twenty twenty five.

967
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 2: Sean sounds like it's going to be a be real

968
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 2: lit man.

969
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I'm pumped for this. These live events are

970
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: always a blast. It's always fun getting in to connect

971
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: with everyone in person. And we're gonna have a full

972
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: slate of preseason games that day, so it's my favorite

973
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: time of year as well. But yeah, we should be

974
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: able to watch some of those games together. It's gonna

975
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: be a blast.

976
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, excited to meet you guys again. That is Saturday,

977
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 2: August twenty third. Make sure you save the date if

978
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 2: you're going to be in the Chicago area. What are

979
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 2: you looking at for the.

980
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: Ravens and in the camp Well, I couldn't really pick

981
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: anything else on this roster. We kind of know who's

982
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: doing what. So let's talk kickers. So Justin Tucker is suspended,

983
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 1: so they're gonna have to move on from him. So

984
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: they drafted Tyler Loop, who I know somewhat about. I

985
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 1: know he kicked the sixty two yarder last year. Do

986
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: you think he's gonna be able to replace Tucker and

987
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 1: be a top five kicker? How are you projecting him

988
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,919
Speaker 1: this year? If you even have kicker projections? Yeah, I don't.

989
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I stay up with my kicker projections just

990
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 2: it's in my normal process where I kind of just

991
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 2: go through each team, like get truck position by position

992
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 2: and make sure mark rosters are up to date. So

993
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 2: I like to I like to have the kickers just

994
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 2: so I don't have to like scramble and be like,

995
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 2: oh man, who this guy's what? Who? Huh? But yeah,

996
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 2: I think Baltimore generally is one of the better teams

997
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 2: to kick for because they move the ball almost every time.

998
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 2: When you have a guy like Lamar Jackson, it's hard

999
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 2: not to cross midfield field goals around an all time high,

1000
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 2: Like teams are tempting more field goals than ever and

1001
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 2: from farther away. So and Baltimore has a good track record.

1002
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 2: I mean with these dates, I think they even had,

1003
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 2: didn't Baltimore have like another kicker who they never even

1004
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 2: used that ended up going to like another team or

1005
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 2: something like that.

1006
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 3: The guy that drafted that like also punted.

1007
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,919
Speaker 2: Wasn't him. Maybe there's a few, but yeah, I feel

1008
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 2: like they always have like a kicker in camp and

1009
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,959
Speaker 2: then yeah, he ends up popping up on another team.

1010
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 2: But in any case, yeah, I think I think I

1011
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 2: think Loop has kicker one upside, I still I think

1012
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 2: they they have another guy in the roster to Hoyland

1013
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 2: or did let me see if they they dumped him?

1014
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they still have him.

1015
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that so I anytime there's like two kickers

1016
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 2: on the roster, and like like in a situation like this,

1017
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 2: I don't project the full seventeen games yet, so I

1018
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 2: still have him as a kicker fifteen. But if I

1019
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 2: give him a full season projection, then yeah he'd be

1020
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 2: he'd be a top ten kicker. But it's just it

1021
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 2: would actually help if Henry got hurt and they didn't

1022
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 2: score quite as many touchdowns. But Baltimore is just so

1023
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 2: damn good and they've gotten so much better at scoring touchdowns,

1024
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 2: So probably not as great as it once was when

1025
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 2: they were more of a just run heavy, kick out

1026
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 2: a field goal offense, but still one of the higher scoring.

1027
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 2: It's just really you're just regressing toward points like projected

1028
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 2: points with kickers, and Baltimore's what still got to be

1029
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 2: top five, if not higher, in terms of points. So yeah, yeah.

1030
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 3: It's just that would them to Yeah, well, it's just interesting.

1031
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: I haven't done much with this, but it's something I'm

1032
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: gonna do like tomorrow, probably like I'm gonna do kicker

1033
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: projections tomorrow.

1034
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, will this Pott even be out of

1035
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 2: the listeners? Will never know you out yourself.

1036
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: It's one of those things where I'll be watching closely

1037
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 1: in camp, like it's the end of an era. I mean,

1038
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 1: Tucker has been kicking there for what fifteen years? I

1039
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: know Stucky called him the goat, so it could change off.

1040
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 1: It's like, do you think they might to like go

1041
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: for it more this year just due to the fact

1042
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: that they don't have Tucker. There's things like that that

1043
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: I haven't really run through, but it could lead to,

1044
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: you know, a couple more touchdowns for the offense. Who knows,

1045
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: but it is a significant shift.

1046
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 2: How can they possibly score more touches except for Mark

1047
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 2: Andrews and against the Booths. But like, I don't know

1048
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 2: if Baltimore can score anymore touches because they lost confident

1049
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 2: that It was pretty clear I think early to mid

1050
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 2: se right that Tucker was not it and Lamar Jackson

1051
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 2: was just doing ridiculous things and Darren Henry was doing

1052
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,879
Speaker 2: so I don't know if Baltimore. I think I would

1053
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 2: almost bet that Baltimore is going to regress in touchdown.

1054
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 2: That's a different Jackson threw forty one and that's a

1055
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 2: different point. We had sixteen.

1056
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: That's a different point than I was making. But maybe

1057
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: it's the same thing because Tucker was struggling. But you know,

1058
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: they could opt to go for it more often and

1059
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: extend a drive. That was my point. Maybe they were

1060
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,280
Speaker 1: doing it last year. I don't know, but they should.

1061
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 2: I would. I wouldn't kick nothing if I had Lamar

1062
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 2: Jackson Darry Henry.

1063
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: Right, well, for all these years they had Justin Tucker

1064
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: making everything. So either way, they're gonna have to change

1065
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,399
Speaker 1: things now and they have loop there, so we'll see

1066
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: how this goes. But that's one thing I'll be watching

1067
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: during training camp, that's for sure.

1068
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 2: Just give me the the injured Chiefs kicker, like the

1069
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 2: injury replacement of whoever the Chiefs kicker is Andrews Carlson

1070
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 2: or whoever the he could be.

1071
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 3: Massive right automatically. The top three example, just see.

1072
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 2: That guy Cincinnati Bengals best ball best Who would you

1073
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 2: take who or who's gonna end up? I should say

1074
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 2: who's gonna end up as the best best ball? Pick

1075
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 2: out of Andre Josebash, Mike get Sicky or Jermaine Burton.

1076
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 3: I mean I want to say Burton.

1077
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: I think he has the most upside, but clearly he is,

1078
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: you know, pissing the coaches off. I would say our

1079
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: guy Yosevash, I think you know he's still going to

1080
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: have that touch on upside injury upside. If you know

1081
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: either Jamar Chase or te Higgins missed time, He's just

1082
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: going to be that steady wide receiver. Three. Although I

1083
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: was impressed with Kaseki in this offense, so I I

1084
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: could see myself going that way, but I'm gonna go

1085
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: with Yosavash. I think he's proven to be kind of

1086
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: like a reliable, uh you know, touchdown kind dependent kind

1087
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: of guy with injury upside.

1088
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 2: Yep, and T Higgins seems to always miss like his

1089
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 2: customary five games. So Yo find himself as the wide

1090
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 2: receiver two. But Burn's having a better camp from all reports.

1091
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 2: I mean, who knows how long that last, but he

1092
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 2: could be could be an asset if Higgins goes down,

1093
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 2: but Yo is in the best position to. I think

1094
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: it's the issue with Gisiki and then maybe they changes,

1095
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 2: but like they tend to want to have a blocking

1096
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 2: tight end on the field more often than that because

1097
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 2: you like, Chase brown Is is good. It's pretty solid

1098
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 2: as a pass catcher too, and then obviously you want

1099
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 2: to get Chase Higgins and your receivers in the route. So, uh,

1100
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 2: Gasiki might be a little bit of a capped ceiling

1101
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 2: kind of situations.

1102
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, true. I mean they did sign a three year deal,

1103
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: but they still have six or seven tight ends that

1104
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: might be on back the roster. So yeah, guys like

1105
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: you know, Tanner Hudson, they scheme up place for him

1106
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: like every game. So yeah, you're right. Like Kaseki, even

1107
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: though he is a clear lead tight end, it's still

1108
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: cap because they like to rotate him and they all

1109
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: have their certain packages, so that that does cap Koseki's

1110
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: upside A bit.

1111
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 2: I got I got a prop for you. More catches

1112
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 2: this year, Tanner Hudson versus Lucas Crow. Tanner Hudson a

1113
00:59:58,080 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 2: four and a half catch favorite.

1114
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 1: Ooh, I'm always interested in betting on Tanner Hudson. But

1115
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 1: he's got a clear four and a half.

1116
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 2: Well, he's more five more than Kroll.

1117
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 1: I'll take. I'll take Hudson. I would need Evan Ingram

1118
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: to stay healthy all year, but yeah, i'll take I'll

1119
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 1: take Hudson.

1120
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's I think both of them could be

1121
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 2: at risk of not making the roster. That that's why

1122
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 2: I asked. It's like an interesting question. It's because like

1123
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 2: both of them at one point were almost like the

1124
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 2: de facto tight end ones or at least tight end twos.

1125
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 2: And but but both of them could be on the

1126
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 2: block because they don't really block. So yeah, I think

1127
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 2: if eric All hadn't gone down, Hudson might have. It

1128
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 2: might have been. It might have just gone forward with

1129
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 2: like all the sticky and and cam brandy and whatnot.

1130
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 2: But maybe Hudson will make it. Now, all right, what

1131
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 2: are you looking at four Cincinnati?

1132
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, so let's talk Chase Brown. He's going RB eleven

1133
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 3: right now. Are you buying or selling him there? Or

1134
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 3: are you right at RB eleven?

1135
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think that's fair value for him. I don't

1136
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 2: mind buying again. I think, you know, really the biggest impact,

1137
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 2: like if you're fading or I guess, the most leverages.

1138
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 2: It's going to kind of depend on those round one

1139
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 2: running backs, you know, like there's a lot of downside

1140
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 2: potential just because of the age, but as we saw

1141
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 2: last year, they could also smash so But either way,

1142
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 2: I love the way they used Brown and that they

1143
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 2: were willing to use Brown as an every snap player

1144
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 2: and uh, I mean our nemesis smiles. J. P. Ryan

1145
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 2: is back in the backfield. But I thought Brown showed

1146
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 2: out showed very well as a pass catcher. So I

1147
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 2: think p Uron would just again be one of those

1148
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 2: third downbacks if he even makes the roster, would be

1149
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 2: one of those third downbacks that is just like a

1150
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 2: third down more of a blocking back and Zach Moss.

1151
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 2: I think they resigned him, but I mean it was quick.

1152
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 2: Chase Brown is already in the process of overtaking him

1153
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 2: if he didn't already. So yeah, I'm I'm cautiously optimistic.

1154
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 2: Probably probably still a better spot to take wide receiver there.

1155
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 2: But like I like to think the sweet spot for

1156
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 2: running back is a little bit before Brown and then

1157
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 2: a little bit after Brown, if that makes sense. That

1158
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 2: more like at the turn, you could see who drops

1159
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 2: to you, maybe you get a Breis Hall or something

1160
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 2: like that, and then you could also get like your

1161
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 2: pick of at the other turn at the turn at

1162
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 2: the end of the turn in the first round, you

1163
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 2: could get your pick of maybe like a gentie or

1164
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 2: an a chan or a tail or somebody. So yeah,

1165
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 2: I think the sweet spot is not really matching up

1166
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 2: but where I usually draft running back. But I don't

1167
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 2: have a ton of concerns about him, and the Bengals

1168
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 2: can only go upward in terms of rush volume because

1169
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 2: I mean they're one of the most pass heavy teams.

1170
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 2: You're in year out. What do you think about Brown?

1171
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I think he's still a tricky project

1172
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 1: because I've always been high on Brown, it was nice

1173
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: to see him finally break out as you know, true

1174
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: workhorse back once Moss went down and it was like

1175
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: Week nine. Through the rest of the season, he proved

1176
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: he could handle twenty plus touches a game. However, at

1177
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: that point they didn't have anybody. Remember, they brought in

1178
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: like Khalil Herbert to mix in like a couple of

1179
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: snaps of game. So I think with everyone back, like

1180
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 1: Zach Moss might be, you know, mixing in for a

1181
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 1: couple carries a game. Like you said, they brought in

1182
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 1: p Ryan to maybe handle some pass catching duties, although

1183
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: it could be third and long where we don't talk

1184
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 1: about those.

1185
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, remember you know you know how I know? Yep,

1186
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 2: you know how we know. Remember who was in the

1187
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 2: backfield to block when they were in shotgun last year

1188
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 2: once everybody got hurt, Drew Sample that like the need

1189
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 2: they just need a body. Yeah, that's why that's why

1190
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 2: Zack Moss and and uh and the kicking retires on

1191
01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 2: p Ryan. So like that's actually that's actually good for

1192
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 2: because that means when he's in the game on passing plays,

1193
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 2: he's almost always going to be in the route and

1194
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 2: Sample will likely be the blocker, which again is what

1195
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 2: complicates things for Gisicki a little bit. But yeah, they

1196
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 2: they I think I remember talking about this briefly last season,

1197
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 2: or at least it was part of my handicap with

1198
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 2: Brown was that that first year, like the year before last,

1199
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, they designed a ton of screens for him,

1200
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 2: so like he wasn't just one of those running backs

1201
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 2: that had to rely purely on checkdowns to get the ball.

1202
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 2: So that like, and then last year he played, oh

1203
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 2: he caught balls and played on a lot of pass downs,

1204
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 2: he just didn't blocks as much. So that's actually great

1205
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 2: news for his usage, like as opposed to somebody like

1206
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 2: Tyron Williams, for example, who tends to be on the

1207
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 2: field almost all the time, but he's not really catching

1208
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 2: the ball. He's not he's not getting the ball in

1209
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 2: the past game for whatever reason. Chase Brown is, So

1210
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 2: I I think I favor him over Kiron at this point.

1211
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 2: So I guess that's kind of the fair vack, Like

1212
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 2: that's where they're that's the way they're valued. So yeah,

1213
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 2: I'm in line with the market on Chase in that range.

1214
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, same, And you know he's not going to

1215
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 1: face many stack boxes that defense has to worry about.

1216
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: You know, Burrow dropp him back, so he's gonna have

1217
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 1: some softer boxes. So yeah, it was just nice to

1218
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 1: see him break out as the workhorse back last year.

1219
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 1: I think he might have a little more competition for touches,

1220
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: but no one is a threat on this depth chart

1221
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: at all, So yeah, I'm still comfortable taking him as

1222
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: like a fringe jarbi one.

1223
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's probably. I mean, remember Zach Moss had that

1224
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 2: like four game was it a four? It was a

1225
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 2: few few games stretch where he was out playing Jackson Taylor. Yeah,

1226
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 2: seems like so long ago.

1227
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 1: Now, ye.

1228
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 2: Oh man, here we are Cleveland Brown Baby. Let's start

1229
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 2: with start with Steve Smith seniors nemesis Jerry Judy. Which

1230
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 2: which version of Judy do we get? Because there was

1231
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 2: the one that Smith essentially eviscerated, and then there was

1232
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 2: the Jameis Winston version who was like a top top

1233
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 2: five Fantasy wide receiver. So what are we getting out

1234
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 2: of Judy? He does have talent, but that's never been

1235
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 2: a question with.

1236
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 3: Well.

1237
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: I think it depends who's throwing in the ball, And

1238
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 1: this year he might have what four to five different

1239
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 1: quarterbacks throwing in the ball. So it's it's going to

1240
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: depend week by week. I think initially, when we probably

1241
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 1: have Flacco under center, I think that's going to be

1242
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 1: maximum Judy, where you know he's potentially going to be

1243
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 1: putting up wide receiver two numbers. But you know, at

1244
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: any time we could get Canny Pickett, Dylan Gabriel or

1245
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 1: Sure Sanders where you know I would I'd be dropping

1246
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: him quite a bit. So yeah, the Browns are one

1247
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 1: of the toughest teams to project right now because of it,

1248
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:13,439
Speaker 1: and unfortunately Judy is attached to that. So I think

1249
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 1: early in the season will probably be his highest value

1250
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 1: when when I have Joe Flacco projected, and then after

1251
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 1: that I have no idea. Do you have any idea

1252
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 1: or how are you projecting that?

1253
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 2: This is another situation where whatever the consensus is for

1254
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 2: week one, starter, give me the other guy because I

1255
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 2: just don't think. I just don't think did Joe Flacco?

1256
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 2: And like, I get it, Joe Flacco Jameis Winston very

1257
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 2: comparable at this stage in their careers. Just chuck it,

1258
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 2: gonna throw a ton of picks, but chuck it deep.

1259
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 2: But what people aren't talking about is the fact that

1260
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 2: did Joe Flacco we got for those five games into

1261
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 2: the playoffs with the twenty twenty three Browns, that Joe

1262
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 2: Flacco wasn't the Joe Flacco we saw last year on

1263
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 2: the Indianapolis Colts who couldn't even pulled off Anthony Richardson.

1264
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 2: Like they're like there, we knew there was going to

1265
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 2: be a cliff with Joe Flacco. I just don't know

1266
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 2: if he can even be twenty twenty three Joe Flacco. Okay,

1267
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:25,680
Speaker 2: And remember the grounds were pretty pass heavy these last

1268
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 2: few years with Stefanski trying to spread it out. Once

1269
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 2: they acquire Watson, they kind of shifted their mentality and

1270
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 2: that's why a guy like Flacco and even Winston had

1271
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 2: worked so well at times. But now we know for

1272
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 2: a fact that they're making a concerted effort to go

1273
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 2: back to the original Stefanski offense, which is a little

1274
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 2: more you know, heavy personnel run heavy. So my my take,

1275
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 2: and I'm in the I'm not like this is a

1276
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 2: this goes against the grain. I think Joe Flacco is

1277
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 2: cut before. I don't think he makes the final roster,

1278
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 2: and I think Picket or Gay, Uh yeah, Gabriel right, Yeah,

1279
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 2: Picket or Gabriel start request, That's that's my thing.

1280
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 1: What do you think? Yeah, I think that's sharp. I

1281
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 1: always lean Picket. I think they kind of want to

1282
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 1: see what they have in him early on and give

1283
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 1: Gabriel and I guess Sanders sometime to prove themselves. But yeah,

1284
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 1: right now, it's well, they just have team leader in

1285
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 1: passing yards and Flacco is the favorite at plus one

1286
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 1: sixty five. Obviously this this is a market where it's

1287
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:41,639
Speaker 1: all bets, action tickets plus two pickets plus two forty.

1288
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 1: Shador is plus three fifty. I'm sure that's just a

1289
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 1: popular one. Gabriel's four to one, and then Deshaun Watson

1290
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 1: for some reason is twelve to one. Deshaun, I mean,

1291
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 1: is he gonna do?

1292
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 2: We have to project it because he gonna play.

1293
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 1: I haven't projected that. You might there's a report, there's

1294
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: a report where you're like, oh damn, I think I

1295
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:07,719
Speaker 1: have to project him now. Yeah.

1296
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 2: So yeah, like imagine of all the years, this is

1297
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 2: like the Deshaun redemption arc, because you know what would

1298
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:20,560
Speaker 2: have to do this year when because the Browns, you know,

1299
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:25,679
Speaker 2: what should It reminds me of Johnny Manziel where it's

1300
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 2: just like the squarest of square, uh like affinities, like

1301
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 2: you know, like I feel like anyone who I see

1302
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:36,680
Speaker 2: or Standers is is just square and he's just not

1303
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 2: a good quarterback, as evidenced by his draft pedigree in

1304
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 2: the fact that the Browns took a whole other wait,

1305
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 2: uh you know day what was it, day three, day

1306
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 2: day two, day three pick before him, he was just

1307
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 2: like an afterthought. Uh So, yeah, I think it's I

1308
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 2: think it's between Gabriel and Pickett, and we know what

1309
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 2: Picket is, So I feel like they probably trying They're

1310
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:01,559
Speaker 2: either gonna cut flackout or trade Picket, right they got

1311
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,639
Speaker 2: to keep Sanders and Gabriel on the roster, and they're

1312
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:06,639
Speaker 2: not caring for a quarterback, right right.

1313
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear you on that. I still think the

1314
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 1: short player would be Picket starting week one if I

1315
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 1: had to pick, like based on odds. Yeah, but yeah, yeah,

1316
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 1: I think you're right in how to assess it. And

1317
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 1: then yeah, Deshaun Watson, like his recovery throws a wrinkle

1318
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 1: into that, I guess in the second half of the season,

1319
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 1: but not thinking about that. But yeah, this this team

1320
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:31,720
Speaker 1: is very fun to project right now. It's gonna make

1321
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 1: training camp and especially preseason that much more interesting.

1322
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 3: Think for yourself watching watching the Browns.

1323
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm the preseason the resident preseason djen, so I

1324
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 1: can't wait for it.

1325
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 2: Oh man, you know who you know who's been having

1326
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 2: a good camp thrash baby Ji Johnson's also here. That's fun. Yeah, yeah,

1327
01:11:56,120 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 2: I don't like that uh always having I mean him

1328
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 2: and Darren Lawler should go throw a quitting party. Uh

1329
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 2: and uh r I p uh who's my guy that

1330
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 2: quit in the in the in the middle halftime Vante

1331
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 2: Vante Davis r P man, I love that guy, all right,

1332
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 2: but yeah, Judy well end wide receiver three for me,

1333
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 2: I do agree that Flacko's probably ideal, but that's not

1334
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 2: saying much. So yeah, it's I don't think you really

1335
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 2: want to invest too much in the grounds, Like I

1336
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 2: think Barry might have lost the plot. I mean, the

1337
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 2: roster moves that the drafts have just seemed to progressively

1338
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 2: get worse and worse. The suspensions seemed to increase. There's

1339
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 2: like there's somehow when you got five quarterbacks, you don't

1340
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 2: have any So probably best to just fade. But I

1341
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 2: know you're kind of looking at the backfield, and which

1342
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 2: does make sense because they do intend at least intend

1343
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 2: to go revert to a run heavier Stefan Ski offense.

1344
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, speaking of suspensions and legal issues, let's talk

1345
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:26,720
Speaker 1: about Quinchawn Judkins' ADP right now, as the RB twenty eight,

1346
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 1: he is currently dealing with legal issue. We have no

1347
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 1: idea how that's going to work out, but kind of

1348
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 1: how are you viewing him at the ADP and just

1349
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 1: how this backfield will shake out? Because they drafted Judkins

1350
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: and they also took Dylan Sampson in the fourth round,

1351
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 1: so a couple of rookie running backs. But how do

1352
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 1: you see this backfield shaping out?

1353
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 2: Stack box, second and ten, third and eleven. Yeah, but

1354
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 2: so Judkins might have been overvalued. I mean this like

1355
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 2: it's it's again, these rookie backs. It's like you want

1356
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 2: to get chairs in Bestball. But when you start looking

1357
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:08,799
Speaker 2: at it from a consistency standpoint, as we inch closer

1358
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 2: to redraft season, I think we have to be a

1359
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 2: little bit more cautious. And I think that's where it

1360
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 2: makes sense to kind of, I don't want to say

1361
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 2: follow the market, but definitely you don't want to fall

1362
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 2: behind in inconsistent wide receivers. If everyone's going to have

1363
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:25,680
Speaker 2: like three or four, you know, like there's like kind

1364
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 2: of a finite group of those guys, so like you

1365
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 2: want to make sure you kind of pull from those

1366
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 2: because there's still going to be like these running backs

1367
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 2: with a lot wide range of outcomes. So yeah, I

1368
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 2: think Judkins may have been overvalued to begin with. I

1369
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 2: did bump him down. Now there's a chance he doesn't

1370
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 2: get suspended at all, right, Hall though you know, he

1371
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 2: had a domestic violence issue in court, a five game suspension,

1372
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:48,640
Speaker 2: but just I mean looking at the judge, I mean,

1373
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 2: Michael's case was a lot seemed a lot more serious.

1374
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 2: At one point there was talk that he brandished a

1375
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 2: firearm and whatnot, and that that was later recanted. But

1376
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 2: we juggins. I think there there could be things like

1377
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:07,719
Speaker 2: mitigating factors in this case, because you know, just looking

1378
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,480
Speaker 2: into it, there was like a from a legal standpoint,

1379
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 2: you know, I'm speaking strictly, there was a there's a

1380
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 2: time lapse between when it was reported. There's no video,

1381
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:19,640
Speaker 2: only picture evidence, so there's a lot of things that

1382
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 2: you know, this may end up being one of those

1383
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 2: situations where it's it doesn't result in like the full

1384
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 2: six game suspension, but I have bumped them down at

1385
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 2: twelve games projected, so like a five game suspension and

1386
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 2: but could be less, could be done, but also injury risks.

1387
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, I have more as an r BE four

1388
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 2: at this point. I mean it's you're already talking about

1389
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:49,600
Speaker 2: an early down back on what's probably gonna be the

1390
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:51,840
Speaker 2: worst team in the league. Because I know everyone's like

1391
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 2: down in New Orleans, but again, New Orleans has Kellen

1392
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 2: Moore and and you know some like it's it's a

1393
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 2: new regime. But this Brown team just seems to be

1394
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,800
Speaker 2: losing a plot more and more as we go. I mean,

1395
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:08,719
Speaker 2: Stefanski's getting worse. If the Fanski's regressed, Andrew Berry's regressed.

1396
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 2: The roster is shit. The draft class, like just the

1397
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 2: depositional allocation is odd. Two quarterbacks, two running backs. Oh yeah,

1398
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:20,519
Speaker 2: that's how That's how you win and fit in in

1399
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. So yeah, I'm out on Judkins. I

1400
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 2: think Drome Ford probably beneficiary. Sampson could be, but I

1401
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 2: think it's just probably more of the same. Jerome Ford's

1402
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 2: going to get the most pass down work and probably

1403
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 2: get eight to ten carries, or he's going to average

1404
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 2: out to eight to ten carries because of all the shenanigans.

1405
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 2: What do you think?

1406
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:47,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, before the legal issues, I thought Judkins ADP

1407
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,599
Speaker 1: was a bit rich because again you mentioned that he's

1408
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: he's going to be an early down back, like goal

1409
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:56,759
Speaker 1: line back, so you got to consider the landing spot.

1410
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 1: You know, the Browns are going to be trailing a ton,

1411
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 1: so they're going to be forced to throw that already

1412
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 1: hurts them and they're not going to be setting him

1413
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:06,799
Speaker 1: up for easy touchdowns, so double strike for Judkins.

1414
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 3: So not a great landing spot.

1415
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 1: Plus he still does have to compete with drum Ford

1416
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 1: and Dylan Sampson, so there was already enough there to

1417
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 1: kind of shy me away. But now with the legal issues,

1418
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,400
Speaker 1: I'm I'm out, So he would have to fall like

1419
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 1: ten more spots I think to really consider him. So yeah,

1420
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 1: running back twenty eight right now, I wouldn't touch him.

1421
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have. Let me see, I believe he is

1422
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 2: forty one. I dropped in a forty one, and I mean,

1423
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:37,559
Speaker 2: would you take Jerome Ford over him flat out? At

1424
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 2: this point? Do you think I have him right back?

1425
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:44,720
Speaker 2: To back. I have Ford, Oh you have forty two

1426
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 2: and Judkins forty three. I probably I think i'd just

1427
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 2: be avoiding situation with Stefanski. He always plays on pass downs.

1428
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:58,600
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, yeah, obviously yeah. But

1429
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,520
Speaker 2: then because Samson could he e's a weak factor.

1430
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:04,559
Speaker 3: In exactly it's too murky, too shitty of his situation.

1431
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 2: I think I fucking probably will go up a little

1432
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 2: bit just because but it's yeah, yeah, fuck it. It

1433
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 2: looks like they're gonna have a fullback this year too,

1434
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 2: So you gotta don't forget to project Troy Troy Harriston

1435
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 2: for two point five percent route. Oh great, gotta get

1436
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 2: that in there. Number another that happened, baby, All right,

1437
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:31,280
Speaker 2: let's close it. Let's close it out with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

1438
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 2: Derek Watt, he used to be used to be a fullback.

1439
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 3: I don't think.

1440
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 2: I guess now you're in Haywards as a fullback. But yeah,

1441
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:41,759
Speaker 2: who thinks the better value in their backfield? Uh, Caleb

1442
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 2: Johnson or your guy Jaylen Warren?

1443
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well Warren was my guy when he was the

1444
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 1: cheap option behind Nausey. But now I think I'm gonna

1445
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:57,679
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pivot here. I'm gonna go with Caleb Johnson.

1446
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 1: I think he has the most upside. I think he

1447
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 1: was drafted to kind of take over the nausea role.

1448
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:09,639
Speaker 1: I mean when I'm watching film from you know, Caleb

1449
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 1: at Iowa, I mean they had the same colors as

1450
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 1: the Steelers, you know, they're black and yellow. He looked

1451
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 1: like nausea Harris running the ball. And I think more importantly,

1452
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 1: he was running into a ton of stack boxes. I

1453
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 1: think he was by far the highest rate of eight

1454
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 1: plus defenders in the box. So I noticed that before

1455
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: the draft, and Mike Toman even referenced that why they

1456
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 1: liked him. They said, you know, we've already seen him

1457
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 1: run into heavy boxes. You know, he wasn't playing cupcake,

1458
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 1: you know, five to six man boxes. So I think

1459
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 1: he's ready to go NFL, ready take over the nause role.

1460
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go with Caleb Johnson here at Running

1461
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 1: Back twenty four. How about you.

1462
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:56,879
Speaker 2: It's kind of weird though, right, It's like most teams

1463
01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 2: would try to combat stack box is by not just

1464
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:07,799
Speaker 2: like I guess what do you call it, like scheming

1465
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 2: up eating them like they were trying to like, you know,

1466
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:13,640
Speaker 2: move like spread the offense out and like they're just like,

1467
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 2: oh man, it's like it's not a great vote to

1468
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 2: comments for Aaron Rodgers either. It's like, oh man, Aaron,

1469
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 2: we just saw Aaron Rodgers. We're my mine. Were going

1470
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 2: to deal with some stack boxes. Better draft the guy

1471
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 2: who can bang into walls over and over and get

1472
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:31,639
Speaker 2: another tight end. They're really trying to pay Aaron Rodgers

1473
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 2: from himself.

1474
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:34,840
Speaker 1: But no, you're right. I think they got to do

1475
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 1: ways to kind of prevent Caleb from running in the

1476
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 1: stack boxes. But I think to the point tom was making,

1477
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 1: it was like it was easier to evaluate where, you know,

1478
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 1: Dylan Sampson at Tennessee was running into like four man boxes,

1479
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 1: so it's kind of hard to evaluate him because there's

1480
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:54,559
Speaker 1: like no one around. So I think that's what Tomlin

1481
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 1: was going for. But yeah, I agree that they should

1482
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 1: do everything possible to prevent him from having to run

1483
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 1: into them, but he at least proved that he can.

1484
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:04,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean, didn't Jay when Warren have

1485
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 2: a really bad goal line fumble last year or something,

1486
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 2: I distinct we remember him coughing something up because I was,

1487
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 2: you know, I was bet on Pittsburgh all the time.

1488
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, I just think we remember him giving something.

1489
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 2: I think it was against the Commanders. He's given something

1490
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 2: away at the goal on so you you would figure

1491
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 2: he swats right into that that nausey rode. But man,

1492
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 2: frozen pond has returned, because I would I would consider

1493
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 2: Johnson a frozen pond guy too. I mean, could be

1494
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 2: just banging in this tack boxes all day and then

1495
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 2: you know Aaron Rodgers is gonna check it down eight

1496
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 2: million times to Jay when Warren somehow anyway, or Kenneth

1497
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 2: Gain will so like one way or another, like h Johnson,

1498
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:46,800
Speaker 2: probably he's not gonna do much in the in the past,

1499
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 2: is he. How How was he as a pass catcher

1500
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 2: at Iowa? Well they didn't throw the ball at all,

1501
01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 2: so we don't know. He might be good, but that

1502
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:58,080
Speaker 2: average is like no points, right, Yeah they don't. They

1503
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 2: don't score again they went every game or they lose

1504
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:05,840
Speaker 2: every game. But yeah, that's the that's the team we'll

1505
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:06,360
Speaker 2: draft from.

1506
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, he's definitely in the frozen pond range.

1507
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying I would draft him, but out

1508
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 1: of the two, I am hiring Caleb this year.

1509
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think Warren, who was he undrafted

1510
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 2: guy to begin with, uh, like they kind of he's

1511
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:27,040
Speaker 2: kind of popped out and he has a role, but

1512
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 2: that's I don't think they're interested in expanding his role now.

1513
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 2: The only way I could see is like uh, Caleb

1514
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 2: being a disaster is if Aaron Rodgers is a disaster

1515
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 2: but stays healthy and uh, he just wants like a

1516
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 2: guy he can check it down to left and right

1517
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 2: all day and their worst nightmares. The stack box is

1518
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 2: just equating to smash Jayden Warren into oblivion every time

1519
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 2: he catches the ball, catch like five balls for four

1520
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 2: yards every you can bet the over on his catches

1521
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:01,759
Speaker 2: under on his uh on his young every week boocket.

1522
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 2: All right, it's uh Shu's closed out with uh, which

1523
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:09,599
Speaker 2: you got for me with the Steelers.

1524
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 1: So just yeah, following this John new Smith trade, how

1525
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 1: do we think it's gonna work out with him and

1526
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 1: Pat Fryermuth on the same team.

1527
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 2: I mean, the way they're preparing, it's like everything's gonna

1528
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 2: happen near the line of scrimmage, right, So, but Arthur Smith,

1529
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:31,679
Speaker 2: for what it's worth, I know John who really broke

1530
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 2: out last year and had a monster year, but memor

1531
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:40,680
Speaker 2: Yoto exceeded expectations the last time he was in the

1532
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 2: Arthur Smith offense as well, So I think John Smith

1533
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 2: obviously probably doesn't have that top five six stitch upside

1534
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:53,760
Speaker 2: that he was that he had at the end of

1535
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 2: last year with the Dolphins when they were just you

1536
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:59,720
Speaker 2: know again, Tua was just not holding the ball. But

1537
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 2: to be fair, Aaron Rodgers could be that same kind

1538
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 2: of quarterback, and I think Pittsburgh could throw a little

1539
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 2: bit more than they have been. So I'm not completely

1540
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,320
Speaker 2: writing them up, but I see, I see, I still

1541
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 2: see John who was kind of like he's more on

1542
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 2: that border line now like tight end one, tight end two,

1543
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:20,600
Speaker 2: like he's an upside pick. I'd prefer him be my

1544
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 2: tight end too now because I don't know what's going

1545
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 2: on with his offense. But uh, it probably hurts Friar

1546
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 2: ruths Moore because I think Friar Mooth is much more

1547
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 2: likely to be a traditional inline guy. And uh, that

1548
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 2: just doesn't seem like what Aaron Rodgers is gonna look for.

1549
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 2: Like that's just like Aaron Rodgers is gonna for better

1550
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:44,640
Speaker 2: or worse, you know, look to the slot, look to

1551
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:47,880
Speaker 2: the perimeter look to dump it down, but tight ends

1552
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 2: not always the most productive in with Aaron Rodgers going

1553
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 2: back to his Green Bay days last year, I mean

1554
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 2: Conklin when certain games he was he had some some catches,

1555
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 2: but and overall wasn't really much of a factor. So yeah,

1556
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 2: I think it hurts farmf What do you think?

1557
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:07,559
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think it hurts Farmuth a ton obviously.

1558
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 1: I think also just because it is a new quarterback

1559
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:12,680
Speaker 1: and Rogers coming in, It's not like some guy that

1560
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 1: already had chemistry with Friar Muth from you know, last

1561
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 1: year or previous years with him. It's they're all new

1562
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 1: to Rogers. He hasn't even brought in like Lazard and

1563
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 1: Randal Cobb yet, so it's.

1564
01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 3: All new guys for Rogers.

1565
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:29,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, like I I think that that was a

1566
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 1: massive blow to Friar mouth Stock, So I you know,

1567
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 1: I downgrade him a ton. I think, you know, John

1568
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 1: New won't have as much upside here as he would

1569
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:41,680
Speaker 1: you know, playing in Miami again this year. But yeah,

1570
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 1: I agree, I think John New I have him as

1571
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:46,439
Speaker 1: like a high end tight end two if he if

1572
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 1: he becomes you know, rogers favorite end zone target that's

1573
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:51,760
Speaker 1: gonna be massive. So it's one of those things. We'll

1574
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 1: have to see how things unfold, and you know who

1575
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 1: Rogers is keying in on. But yeah, there's a massive,

1576
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 1: massive blow to Pat Firemouth. I haven't like all the

1577
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:03,600
Speaker 1: way down to tight end thirty now, so it was

1578
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 1: a huge drop for him.

1579
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just one of those things. Writing's kind

1580
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:11,680
Speaker 2: of on the wall because Pittsburgh seemed to be aggressively

1581
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:14,600
Speaker 2: targeting John Who Smith for the entire offseason. You know,

1582
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 2: you would think and maybe they are still in the

1583
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 2: market for another wide receiver as well, but the fact

1584
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 2: that they already had Friar moves and they were so

1585
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 2: aggressively targeting a guy like John Who and remember Rogers

1586
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,000
Speaker 2: is gonna have a lot of one way or another,

1587
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 2: he probably has is gonna have say in this offense

1588
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 2: and Arthur's Johnny's off the archer, Arthur Smith's guy. So

1589
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:39,519
Speaker 2: that just makes me like, that's that's not good for Friars.

1590
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 2: Wasn't it the playoff game, I think if I'm remembering correctly,

1591
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:47,600
Speaker 2: or their last game of the year or whatever it was,

1592
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:50,760
Speaker 2: where they were Fried Ruth like could have picked up

1593
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:52,679
Speaker 2: a first remember it was the game against Cincinnati where

1594
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 2: he could have picked up a first down but he

1595
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:56,560
Speaker 2: kind of like just ran out of bound for no

1596
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:59,559
Speaker 2: reason on something like like you know, like Tom Win

1597
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 2: hates stag kind of shit. So I wonder if he

1598
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:04,560
Speaker 2: played himself right out of the te one that with

1599
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 2: that specific play, because I distinctly remember it and just

1600
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 2: being egregious where it was like they instead of having

1601
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:15,320
Speaker 2: a first and ten, it was like third and one,

1602
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:17,599
Speaker 2: and I think they got stuffed into like a stack

1603
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 2: box and I think fourth and one Russell Wilson tried

1604
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 2: to sneak it or something and they didn't get it

1605
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 2: or maybe Warren short yardage for whatever reason, and they

1606
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:27,720
Speaker 2: turned it over and that was that was that. So yeah,

1607
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 2: for I might have literally played himself out of the

1608
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:33,559
Speaker 2: role with that one. I gotta go back and watch

1609
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 2: the I remember that's but I distink we remember that

1610
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 2: like it was it instead of like first of ten,

1611
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 2: it was like third and one for third in inches

1612
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:42,679
Speaker 2: or something something stupid like, Yeah, I remember that would

1613
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 2: be my pet peeve too.

1614
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:46,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I do remember that play. I don't remember

1615
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 1: exactly what happened, like you're saying, but I do remember

1616
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:51,719
Speaker 1: that and it was pretty egregious and thinking, Yeah, Tollman's

1617
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 1: probably pissed right now. So who knows that one play

1618
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:58,640
Speaker 1: might have ended Farmer's career as a you know, tight end,

1619
01:27:58,680 --> 01:27:59,720
Speaker 1: a fringe tight end one.

1620
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was high on them until that, you know,

1621
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 2: and John new drops as well. But I could see

1622
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:09,639
Speaker 2: this Pittsburgh offense being similar with It's just like Aaron

1623
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 2: Rodgers just get the ball completely out of his hands

1624
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 2: and in a lot of targets for johnres But yep,

1625
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 2: I think it's over for Friar Rooth that it's over

1626
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:25,800
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