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Speaker 1: This is straight fire with Jason McIntire.

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Speaker 2: What is up fire, fram It's me Jason McIntyre Street

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Speaker 2: Fire for Tuesday, June the third, and with no NBA

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Speaker 2: on a nightly basis, it is getting tough out there, folks. However,

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Speaker 2: the good news is you've got a great producer, rob Gie,

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Speaker 2: who hits me with all these topic ideas and we

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Speaker 2: bat some stuff around so we could easily do and

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Speaker 2: we might. You know, you never know where once we

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Speaker 2: The Yiannis stuff is interesting. I think the big retirement

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Speaker 2: because you know, I bet on the sport, but a

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Speaker 2: lot of people don't. That's big. But I do think

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Speaker 2: we haven't really given the finals there due and I'm

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Speaker 2: sure you know after the Game one ratings come out

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Speaker 2: and they're not great. People always stop talking about the finals.

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Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. Get back to Kitlin Clark. Well, she's hurt, guys.

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Speaker 2: By the way. By the way, I have open as

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Speaker 2: a tab rob on my computer. This whole Caitlin Clark

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Speaker 2: Diana Tarassi stuff that happened. She made some comments and

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Speaker 2: I just have it. We haven't had a chance to get

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Speaker 2: to it. Clark is hurt, so maybe when we're really

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Speaker 2: slow we'll get back to it. But I do want

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Speaker 2: to kind of focus on Pacers Thunder because I spent

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Speaker 2: a lot of time digging into this rob I essentially

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Speaker 2: have come to two conclusions. I think the Pacers can

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Speaker 2: pull an unbelievable upset, and I think at like plus

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Speaker 2: the Pacers. The other part of me it's fifty percent

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Speaker 2: I think the Pacers can pull the upset. The other

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Speaker 2: fifty percent says thunder and a landslide. I e thunders

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Speaker 2: sweep them like it could be that bad, and I don't.

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of torn on which way to go, because again,

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Speaker 2: we're not gonna make the fool's errand mistake of saying, oh,

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Speaker 2: in the regular season, this happened, so that means it

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Speaker 2: might happen in the playoffs. Is a recent example, the

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Speaker 2: Celtics obliterate the Knicks in the regular season and then

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Speaker 2: factor in experience, and you know, that kind of bit

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Speaker 2: me in the butt thinking Minnesota had a chance against Okay. See,

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Speaker 2: that series was a bloodbath because Minnesota was in the

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Speaker 2: conference finals. And Okase's still really young, the youngest team

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Speaker 2: they are incredibly young. They only have finals experience in

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Speaker 2: alex Caruso. And you could counter with, hey, Indiana has

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Speaker 2: what Pascal Siakam like, Come on, Jay, So ultimately, and

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Speaker 2: I teased this yesterday, is that the things that Okase

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Speaker 2: They want to push tempo. They don't turn the ball over,

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Speaker 2: but you could argue they haven't faced pressure like this.

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Speaker 2: And Indiana loves playing on the road. I mean, they

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Speaker 2: steal games one and two in New York, they steal

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Speaker 2: games one and two in Cleveland. You know, this is

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Speaker 2: what this team does. The thing that concerns me, and

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Speaker 2: It has been It was, you know, good but not

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Speaker 2: They're not missing from three and they have finished out

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Speaker 2: game six. They were I believe sixteen from thirty two.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. If you shoot fifteen percent on that volume

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Speaker 2: So Indiana number one in three point percentage in the

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Speaker 2: Because my guess, Rob is that Indiana. And listen, Rick

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Speaker 2: that was a shocking sweep. Okay, absolutely shocking. But not

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Speaker 2: So what new stuff? What wrinkles does Carlisle have up

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Speaker 2: But you know, ultimately, Rob, I think my head gets

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Speaker 2: don't want to give him respect. You you say Shay

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Speaker 2: is the third best player in the league without a ring, dismissing,

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Speaker 2: your hater, but ultimately, Rob, I probably should say thunder

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Speaker 3: You know, it's funny because of this podcast, people assume

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Speaker 3: Ryan Music, Go talk to Martin Weiss.

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Speaker 3: In this series upcoming you mentioned the three point poll.

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Speaker 3: in today's NBA news flash, like the offenses are too good,

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Speaker 3: you comfortable giving up? Indiana shoots a lot of threes.

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Speaker 3: In the Eastern Conference finals. Of their six main guys Siakam, Halliburn,

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Speaker 2: Which is ridiculous. A lot of that was the eight

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Speaker 3: What they do and what they do well is its

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Speaker 3: Rather than play their normal defense, what they did was

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Speaker 3: a lot of pressure on Tyre's Halliburton to play outside

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Speaker 3: gonna switch on to him, it's that that's not how

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Speaker 3: he likes to play. He likes to get the ball,

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Speaker 2: And it's a big reason why, and we talked about

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Speaker 3: Oklahoma City entered into the series, the numbers already been down,

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Speaker 3: but at minus eight hundred favorites, that was the tide

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Speaker 3: for the fifth highest favorite in NBA history.

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Speaker 2: Was it one of those teams a Kobe team? Well,

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Speaker 2: Lakers Pistons. It wasn't Lakers Pistons. I can give you

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Speaker 2: the numbers right here. I thought it was the Karl

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Speaker 2: Cooper Flag's really good. He's really he could do a

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Speaker 2: Huh okay, I see what you That to me is

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Speaker 2: like Carmelo stands, Oh dude, we talk. Cooper Flag's not

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Speaker 2: can score all three levels, right, he can defend one

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Speaker 2: He's eighteen years old. I don't under it's weird. I

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Speaker 2: for OKC, but he tried to guard Jokis for like

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Speaker 3: But what he does do is he plays a great

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Speaker 3: Well, but at some point I want my point guard

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Speaker 3: back to Cooper Flag. Cooper Flag. I don't need him

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Speaker 2: So it's interesting that you go there because it's like, well,

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Speaker 2: is that what we're doing? So just because they lose,

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Speaker 2: spot in Dallas. I would speculate that the MAVs get

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Speaker 2: off Gafford, try to trade him for you know, I

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Speaker 2: don't know, they'll have to do him in something for

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Speaker 2: like a Drew Holliday, uh, because they want defense. Remember

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Speaker 2: Nico Harrison loves his good defense. So you get a

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Speaker 2: defensive guard who can be a lead guard, and that

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Speaker 2: frees up more room up up front for Cooper Flag, like,

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Speaker 2: I don't even know if he'll start right. Let's say

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Speaker 2: you trade Gafford, You'll start Lively and Ad because they

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Speaker 2: beats Soften does one place center by himself. You start

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Speaker 2: those two PJ. Washington at the three and super Max

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Speaker 2: Christie at the two and Drew Holliday at the one.

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Speaker 2: That's a really good team, and then you've got Cooper

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Speaker 2: Flag as your six man. So the numbers will probably

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Speaker 2: be down a little bit, but they will go up

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Speaker 2: because as we know, Anthony David is probably gonna miss

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Speaker 2: twenty or thirty games. Come on, Rob, you're laughing, but

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Speaker 2: I know not the reality.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in that scenario, yes, he's gonna miss at least

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Speaker 3: ten to fifteen minimum. But if I'm Dallas, I would

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Speaker 3: much rather start Flagg than PJ.

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Speaker 2: Washington.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I know that PJ and Gaffer were like

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Speaker 3: their big acquisition to get to the final couple years ago,

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Speaker 3: but with the way that their team is built now,

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Speaker 3: especially if Cooper Flag is as good as we all

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Speaker 3: think he's gonna be, I want to get him as

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Speaker 3: many minutes as possible right out of the gate, because

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Speaker 3: you're not gonna win anything anyways, unless Kyrie Irving is

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Speaker 3: at least like eighty percent of what he was before

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Speaker 3: the injury minimum.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I forgot. They have Klay Thompson. My bad.

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Speaker 3: Clay Thompson's probably gonna start, right. I think that was

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Speaker 3: part of the prerequident he was signing there, was he

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Speaker 3: was gonna start.

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Speaker 2: You know, he wants he's gonna soak up thirty minutes

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Speaker 2: a night at.

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Speaker 3: Least exactly, so you know, I would try to get

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Speaker 3: him as many minutes as possible until Kyrie is back,

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Speaker 3: so that we know what we have going into it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you need Cooper Flag. And again I'm not comparing

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Speaker 2: him to Kitlin Clark, but given the cultural larger forces

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Speaker 2: at play in America right now, I think it certainly

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Speaker 2: helps that Caitlin Clark is white, and I think it

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Speaker 2: certainly helps that Cooper Flag is white. I mean, obviously

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Speaker 2: basketball has had a good history of white players, but

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Speaker 2: not any recently. And an American who went to Duke, Like, again,

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Speaker 2: you add that up, that's like, Okay, the casual fan

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Speaker 2: who thinks the NBA is all threes in dunks might

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Speaker 2: check it out for Cooper Fly. I don't know, is

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Speaker 2: that out of pocket to say rob Am, I gonna

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Speaker 2: get in trouble. Would you guys get in trouble if

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Speaker 2: you said that on the radio show? No, No, you

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Speaker 2: know people are gonna clip stuff anyway and try to

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Speaker 2: sure thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there'll be people who will clip off

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Speaker 3: anything and try to make it like an aggregator and

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Speaker 3: a shot at so and so and can't believe so

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Speaker 3: and so would say this whatever. But you would have

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Speaker 3: to have your head in the sand to not admit

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Speaker 3: that Caitlin Clark being white has played a role in

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Speaker 3: her success her popularity. Cooper Flag, assuming that he is

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Speaker 3: as good as advertised, him being white is going to

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Speaker 3: lead to so many more endorsement and marketability opportunities than

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Speaker 3: somebody who is a comparable skill level.

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Speaker 2: As in, Yeah, by the way, did you see that.

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Speaker 2: I know the headline says twenty eight million in nil,

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Speaker 2: but he essentially signed deals with New Balance and Fanatics

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Speaker 2: and that kind of counts toward his nil ledger. Listen,

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Speaker 2: there are companies out there who are willing to invest

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Speaker 2: eight figures in an eighteen year old basketball player. You

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Speaker 2: don't get that a lot. Obviously, Lebron was like a

498
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Speaker 2: what ninety million dollars Nike deal. But look in recent years,

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Speaker 2: Resa Shay, Alex Sar, those guys aren't getting big shoe

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Speaker 2: deals fanatics thing dropping fifteen mil on them. And Cooper

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Speaker 2: Flag there is a belief that there is something here

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Speaker 2: as maybe the next great I don't want to say

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Speaker 2: White Hope because that's goofy, but he's not going to

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Speaker 2: be Larry Bird. But could he was John Stocked in

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Speaker 2: that popular.

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Speaker 3: No, but I mean the stock in him alone pairing

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Speaker 3: was well known. I don't say as well known. But

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Speaker 3: let me ask you a question real quick. So a

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Speaker 3: few NBA people that I respect have said that the

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Speaker 3: maximum like the if Cooper Flag reaches his full potential,

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Speaker 3: he is somewhere between Kawhi Leonard Jason Tatum. If he

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Speaker 3: reaches the full as much as whatever everything in his

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Speaker 3: bag becomes revealed and he reaches it. If he is

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Speaker 3: in Dallas and he is a comparable talent to Jason Tatum,

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Speaker 3: who do you think is more marketable.

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Speaker 2: Tatum or Cooper Flag? Yes?

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Speaker 3: Now, Tatum was obviously probably gonna win more because he

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Speaker 3: plays for the Boston Celtics. He plays for a marquee brand.

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Speaker 3: But as you mentioned five minutes ago, the color of

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Speaker 3: Cooper Flag's skin cannot be understated here.

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Speaker 2: We Yeah, I'm a huge Tatum fan, but it's well

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Speaker 2: documented that he's not the most marketable guy because like

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Speaker 2: he's I mean, he did. I think his signature play

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Speaker 2: in the NBA was when he was like nineteen or

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Speaker 2: twenty and dunked on Lebron. Do you remember that? Yes?

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Speaker 2: I do, and I think they lost the game. He

527
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Speaker 2: was super young, but like that was the most fire

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Speaker 2: I've ever seen from Jason Tatum. And again, I like

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Speaker 2: him a lot. I would build around him before SGA.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry I had to put that out there, but

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Speaker 2: you're right. I think Cooper Flag's way more marketable now

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Speaker 2: the more I think about it, his numbers are going

533
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Speaker 2: to be down in Dallas. And also there is going

534
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Speaker 2: to be this, Hey, we lost Lucas, so we could

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Speaker 2: get Cooper Flagg and he's averaging fifteen to eight. That

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Speaker 2: would be a little depressing. So I do wonder if

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Speaker 2: Dallas is going to be forced to play him more

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Speaker 2: then they might want to. And again that's making up

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Speaker 2: for the Lucas screw up. But I don't know how

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Speaker 2: we got into ten minutes of Cooper Flag. But I

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Speaker 2: just I found that interesting because I do think Cooper

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Speaker 2: Flag is going to be I don't know, Generational is

543
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 2: a bit strong, but like Wemby hasn't made the playoffs yet, No,

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Speaker 2: is that disappointing? Well, I mean he had a blood

545
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Speaker 2: clot and missed a third of the season. I think

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Speaker 2: I would think they certainly have to make the playoffs

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Speaker 2: this next year. Right they got to Hearon Fox, he

548
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 2: should be healthy, Like I think Cooper Flag probably is

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Speaker 2: in the playoffs next year with Dallas, assuming Kyrie comes

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Speaker 2: back by the All Star break.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I mean the Western Conference is gnarly. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I know they didn't seem that way because of the

553
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Speaker 3: way oklaoms He ran through everybody, But when you just

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Speaker 3: look at the overall depth, you'd have to say conservatively

555
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 3: that the only teams that probably are not trying to

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Speaker 3: win and at least make the postseason next season are

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Speaker 3: Utah and Portland.

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Speaker 2: Everybody else, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Sure believes that they should be in the top ten,

560
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Speaker 3: if not the top six.

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Speaker 2: If you're those teams are, don't aren't you a seller

562
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Speaker 2: like I would love to get off Lourie Marken in

563
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 2: bottom out? We're not going to the playoffs, sell high

564
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 2: on him. I don't know what's up with Sacramento. Do

565
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: they move on from Sabonis like they have no upward potential?

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Speaker 2: Phoenix probably gonna trade KD. But then do they circle

567
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: the draam with Booker or do they just nuke at all?

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Speaker 2: I saw stat Robbs because some of these teams will

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Speaker 2: be in the luxury tax. Phoenix of course that the

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Speaker 2: Indiana Pacers haven't paid the luxury tax since two thousand

571
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Speaker 2: and four. That's right, that's great, That's insane. So now

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Speaker 2: the question is do they end up keeping Miles Turner

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Speaker 2: and say we're going into the tax because we made

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Speaker 2: the finals. And that becomes interesting because I thought Miles

575
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Speaker 2: Turner would be a great get for anybody, specifically Lakers.

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Speaker 2: But now it's like, oh, they're going into the tax.

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00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: And that's where it gets kind of interesting. Like if

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Speaker 2: you're the Thunder you botched it with Harden back in

579
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Speaker 2: the day, do you say we're going early check JDub SGA,

580
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: we're all giving you three new deals and do you

581
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: make that your Big three or do you move off

582
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: JDub if you win the finals. I know there's just

583
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: so many options. I think It's actually going to be

584
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Speaker 2: a fun summer around these parts, so keep it locked straight.

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Speaker 2: Fire back tomorrow, talk to you then.