1 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: Hey guys, It's Sammy J. And welcome to this week's episode. 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: Today I got to talk with Lou, which was so exciting. 3 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: We talked about how he's doing in Quarantine, his new album, 4 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: how I'm feeling the process of creating that, his mental 5 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: health struggles, and his foundation, the Blue Boy Foundation, which 6 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: you should totally check out, and so much more. I 7 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: hope you guys enjoy it and I cannot wait for 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: your feedback. Hi, Low Hi, how are you doing. I'm 9 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: doing pretty well. How are you? I'm good? How are you? 10 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,639 Speaker 1: Are you at home right now? Yeah? I'm at home. 11 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: I'm actually in my studio. So is that where you 12 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: do all your music? Yeah? Um, pretty much. I just 13 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: got make a really cozy couch behind me and a 14 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: little set up in little piano, a couple of cents 15 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: and uh survivee. Is that how you've just been spending 16 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: your days in mid Yeah, it's like the one of 17 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: the only things that's keeping me saying, I'm rantined to 18 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: the couple of my best friends and um, we just 19 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: like almost every single day we're down here, like twelve 20 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,559 Speaker 1: hours a day, just like writing, writing, writing. How many 21 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,839 Speaker 1: songs do you think you've written well, we might start 22 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: like five or six ideas, but usually we don't make 23 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: like five or six songs in one day. We just 24 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: find like which whatever we like vibe with the most, 25 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: and we might make like a couple of songs in 26 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,279 Speaker 1: a day. But I would say probably since we started 27 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: locking up together, we've probably made about ten songs and 28 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: then like probably another ten ideas. Um. Yeah, and a 29 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: few of them I really really like. So Okay, So 30 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: do you think the next album would be a quarantine edition? 31 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to call it that because I think 32 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: that kind of dates it, but a lot of the 33 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: songs will be made during quarantine for sure. So I 34 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: don't know about you, but during the quarantine, I've been 35 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: listening to How I'm Feeling, which is your most recent album, 36 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: And I know you call yourself the one man band. 37 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: So my question is, if you could have anyone else 38 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: in a band, who would it be? Um, it would 39 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: be it would probably be like Harry Styles. Um, I'm 40 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: gonna say Jim Carey, I'm gonna say Chris Martin from Coldplay, 41 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Drake and um uh, Tony the Tiger 42 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: from Frosted Place. Man. I think that would be the 43 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: most iconic band of all time? What would it be called, 44 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: We'd be called we would be called the most iconic 45 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,239 Speaker 1: band of all time? Pretty simple. Yeah, for the cover 46 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: for your album, it is incredible. How did you come 47 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,839 Speaker 1: up with the idea to have uh, your different kind 48 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: of personalities formed in colors? Yeah, Basically it was like 49 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: when I was listening to the music as I was 50 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: finishing the album, I was like, there's so many different vibes, 51 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: like so many different kind of genres and and like moods, 52 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,399 Speaker 1: and I the album for me was sort of born 53 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: out of this place of feeling very boxed in in 54 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 1: terms of identity, you know before, And I wanted the 55 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 1: whole album to be about kind of embracing all the 56 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: different parts of yourself because I think that humans are 57 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: really complicated, and I think that the world and the 58 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: internet tries to mold you into having a singular identity, 59 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: but I think we're way more complicated than that. So 60 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: I wanted the artwork and everything to represent like different 61 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: versions of me and kind of like how they all 62 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: work together to create this one man boy band. So 63 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: who came up with like each one? And how do 64 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: you assign the color it was just me and then 65 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: um and then like my creative directors were just sitting 66 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: in the room together just like homies and just like 67 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: chatting through the concepts and and um, yeah, we come 68 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: up with six different characters in addition to the real me. 69 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: So it's brilliant. I think this. One of the things 70 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: about this album is there are songs. What is the 71 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: process of eliminating songs and choosing what has to be 72 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: in like an album, because I'm sure that's so stressful. Well, 73 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: first you get rid of all the ones that suck. 74 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: I wrote probably about I wrote probably about fifty songs, 75 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: and then originally my idea was to make it fifteen songs. Um. 76 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: But then like I tried to narrow it down to 77 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: fifteen and it just like it just wasn't enough. So 78 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: I kept like, okay, no sixteen, no eighteen, No, it's 79 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: twenty not twenty one. And at that point I was like, Okay, 80 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: it's not gonna be any longer than twenty one songs. 81 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: It's like a lot. So yeah, yeah, do you have 82 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: a favorite song off the album Modern momentas for sure, Okay, 83 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: let's I want to talk about that song because I 84 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: think it is so representative of just like where we are, 85 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: especially with social media these days. I always say that, 86 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: you know, social media, it brings people closer that you 87 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 1: don't see, but it takes you further away from the 88 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: people you are with. How have you I'm looking for 89 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: advice for this. How have you maintained or kind of 90 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: formed a healthy relationship with social media? I mean, I'm 91 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: always working on that. I mean, because it's very addictive, 92 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: you know. Um, So it seems like we have an 93 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: endless like an endless um whole for attention, like we 94 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: you know, like I feel like there's like I'll be 95 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: in a mood and I'm like, I just want to 96 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: post something so people give pay attention to me, you know, 97 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: And I'm like that never fulfills that anything. And I 98 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: think just trying to get into moments where I actually 99 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: have like deep conversations with my friends, are like actually 100 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: talk to my parents, Like I find myself a lot 101 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: of the time, you know, avoiding calls from my parents 102 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: are like my sisters are like my best friend because 103 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: I'm like doing something else, And I'm like, then you 104 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: can't complain about being lonely if you're the one who's 105 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: you know, not not engaging in those conversations. So I'm 106 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: trying to be aware of that, and um, especially now, 107 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 1: I think it's actually been a little bit better because 108 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: like we're forced, this is like our only way to 109 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: connect with people right now. We can't see people. So 110 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: I'm finding myself actually doing things like going on live stream, 111 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: like really like doing productive things that hopefully are helping people, 112 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: you know, talking to my parents more often, talking to 113 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: friends that I haven't spoken to in a long time. UM. Yeah, 114 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: That's what I've been trying to do too. It's so 115 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: hard though, especially with social media to find um you know, 116 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: if you look at comments, a lot of comments are 117 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: kind of fake nice and they're like, oh my god 118 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:53,679 Speaker 1: all that. So how do you separate that from finding 119 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: who your real friends are and all that? Um? I 120 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: feel like I just don't take trying to take anything 121 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: on social media like with anything more than a grain 122 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: of salt. I mean, just the people that I know 123 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: are the people that I actually know. UM. And aside 124 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: from that, it's like I kind of just everything is 125 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: everybody has something to say. I don't know, Yeah, I 126 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: guess I don't really think about it. I think one 127 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: of the things that I love about your music is 128 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: you speak so candidly about things that people just aren't 129 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: talking about. For example, your song Changes. I hate change 130 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: so much and I haven't heard a song about it. 131 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: How do you just get to be okay with change 132 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: because you wrote a song about it, so you must have. 133 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I had to get to a literal rock 134 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: bottom before I decided I needed to make changes, like 135 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: I was at the beginning of January nine. I was like, 136 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: that was like right at the end of that month, 137 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: I was diagnosed with m O c D and clinical depression, 138 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: and up until then I was just struggling with it 139 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: on my own and not really like realizing what it 140 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: was and sort of downplaying it and being like trying 141 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: to deal with it myself, and like I was just like, oh, 142 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. I kept like thinking like it would 143 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: go way or something, and and I started that song 144 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: Changes in that time, and it was like when I realized, 145 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: like I need to be open to something else, you know, 146 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: are also I'm gonna be stuck here forever. So I 147 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: think it took me hitting a rock bottom to realize 148 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: I needed to make changes. Now I'm just trying to, 149 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: like after I got through that. I'm trying to just 150 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: be like a little bit more brave when it comes 151 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: to making changes, like just be like, you know what, 152 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: Like it always works out, you know, if you have 153 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: to change something in your life, whether that means like 154 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: a relationship with a person or you know, something in 155 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: your career that's not working for you, or something that's 156 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: not working, you're not being maybe you're not even being 157 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:33,679 Speaker 1: a good friend, and you have to make a change. 158 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: Like I think just being aware of those things and 159 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: being like, you know what, Like we're humans, were able 160 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: to grow and we're able to evolve. I really believe that, 161 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: and I think we're naturally programmed to be afraid of 162 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: those changes. But I think that, you know, we can 163 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: override that fear. So yeah, you know, I actually, in 164 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: the same time when you were going through your lowest point, 165 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: I was two, I actually have O c D two 166 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: and I find it I'm curious what your opinion is 167 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: the misconceptions, because a lot of people will be like, 168 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm so O c D when they're 169 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: just not into becoming a try and actually with me 170 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: at least, it's like obsessing over thoughts. Yeah, I mean, 171 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're talking about. I mean, I 172 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: feel like, um, I don't want to be like sometimes 173 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: I want to be frustrated, but then I'm like, don't 174 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: because it's like, you know, like I don't think people 175 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: mean wrong when they're like, oh, I'm so O c 176 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: D about this, Like if they don't, if it's not 177 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: really like a thing. Um, but I think what when 178 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: I realized it's like, I mean c O c D 179 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: definitely comes in many forms. You know, people really Oh 180 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: it's like you clean obsessively or blah blah blah, you 181 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: have to turn the light switch off seven times exactly 182 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: the right way or whatever. And I know that that's 183 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: definitely a very classic form of O c D. But 184 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 1: you know, in my situation, it's probably sounds kind of 185 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: similar to yours. It's like very similar have very obsessive 186 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: negative thoughts that I like constantly need to get reassurance about. 187 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: So it's like when I was in January, I was 188 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: like having these negative obsessions about my past, and like 189 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: like really really intense ones that I would just journal 190 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: about over and over, trying to recall events from my 191 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: past and thinking if I could recall them correctly, I 192 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: could be happy again, and I would like call my 193 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: parents multiple times a day, my friends, my sisters, like 194 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: trying to tell stories from like two or three years 195 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: ago and be like I didn't I don't know, Like 196 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: how did it happen? Like what happened? And like it 197 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: just got to the point where I was so stuck 198 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: in this hole that it was like I was fully 199 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: withdrawn from reality and it felt like it felt like 200 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: what I needed to do. And that's the thing about 201 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 1: I think a lot of like stuff like O c 202 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: D or anxiety is the voice becomes so loud that 203 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: it tells you it's what you need to pay attention 204 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: to no matter what, and it fully takes over your 205 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 1: ability to live your life. You should write a song 206 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: about O c D. Yeah, I mean it's hard to depict, 207 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: and you kind of did it really well. So yeah, 208 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 1: thank you for giving me a chance to openly talk 209 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 1: about it. I appreciate it. No, I feel the same way. 210 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: That's actually why I started this podcast because when I 211 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: was really anxious, I had nothing else to do, started 212 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: listen to podcasts and then I was like there's nothing 213 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: talking about what I want to and then here we are. 214 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: That's amazing. Well, thank you for doing that. I'm really 215 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 1: excited to talk about just the song Sad Forever, because 216 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 1: I love that You've given a lot of the proceeds 217 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: to different organizations to help with mental health. When did 218 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: that journey start? And I know you wrote that song 219 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: during a really difficult time, So what was it like? 220 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: Was it like singing a song that it kind of 221 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: brings you back to that time when ye're in a 222 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: good place? Now it's actually quite beautiful. Like I would 223 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: sing it on tour, and I expected to be really 224 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: sad on stage when I sing it, and maybe I 225 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: do at the beginning, maybe I'm a little sad, But 226 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: by the time I'm like halfway through and everybody's screaming 227 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 1: the words, and like it's just this beautiful moment where 228 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: I'm like everybody is at some different point in their 229 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: journey right now in this room. You know, some people 230 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: are really in a low place, some people are probably 231 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: in a great place. Some people are fighting through it, 232 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: Like it depends depending on the day. For me, I'm 233 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: in any of those places, but especially like when I 234 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: can have that perspective of like, look how far I've come, 235 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: and look how possible it is to get to know 236 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: to know what it's like to be in a place 237 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: where you don't think it's possible you'll ever be happy again, 238 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: and you'll ever want to really live your life and 239 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: to actually be in the place where you are happy 240 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: and you do want to live your life full lead. 241 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: It's like it makes you break down and you're like, 242 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: I'm so thankful. You know that song is such like 243 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 1: a grounding song for me. It really is. And I 244 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: know you talk about just like the importance of talking 245 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: about mental health. Um, what is the fan responsibit like? 246 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: Because you know you trapped like minded people. So what 247 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: has that process been like? It's been actually really positive. 248 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: You know, I was really nervous let's kind of start 249 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: opening up about it. But people are really appreciative. People 250 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: shared their own stories, like a lot of people, you know, fans, friends, family, 251 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: people haven't spoken to him forever started texting me and stuff. 252 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: And um, it's also kind of heavy though, because now 253 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: a lot of people I think like they think I 254 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: have the answers and like, um, and yeah, I'm still 255 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: going through it, and I wouldn't want I'm not a professional, 256 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 1: you know. All I can do is speak about my 257 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: own experience, and you know, it's it's like it feels 258 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: like a responsibility and I'm happy to share everything I 259 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: go through. And I started believe that's like my purpose 260 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: as an artist, you know, is to share what what 261 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: I go through and what you know, what my life is, 262 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: because I know if it if my life is this thing, 263 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: that somebody else's life is likely also that thing. And 264 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: that's one of my favorite things of the human experience, 265 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: is like kind of relating to somebody else. So what 266 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: is it? What was the hardest song on the album 267 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: where that you were most hesitant to put out just 268 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: because it was so like true to you. I mean, 269 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: modern Aluness was definitely a hard one. Um. Yeah, I 270 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,839 Speaker 1: think also, you know, Julia and I'll and I'll let 271 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: that song speak for itself, but just you know, um, 272 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: I think that's like the first time I've just kind 273 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: of written basically like an apology song, just straight up 274 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: put it out there. But yeah, I think it's very 275 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: strong to just put your your life in the public eye. 276 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 1: So how how do you deal with everyone put putting 277 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: in their opinions? And I don't do that. I don't 278 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: always do that well, I try, I try to remember 279 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: not to care. I mean, that's one of my biggest 280 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: things right now as a person that I'm working on 281 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: is I think a big part of like self security 282 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: and like confidence is getting to a point where you 283 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: don't really care about other people think about you, except 284 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: for the people that you know know you really well 285 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: and that you love and like they love you on 286 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: like a real deep level. And then it's like, oh, 287 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: if my friend, if my best friend thinks I'm a 288 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: bad person or I did something not a bad person, 289 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 1: but if I did something wrong, Okay, I'm listening, but 290 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: like to not let the like the endless you know, 291 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: endless voices on the internet dictate my mood. You know, 292 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 1: it's like the worst. Like, So, I'm trying to just 293 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: get to a point where I'm like, do I feel 294 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:25,719 Speaker 1: good about myself? Do I feel like I did the 295 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: right thing? And yeah? So I know you talked a 296 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: lot about meditation and journaling, and I'm curious because I 297 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: could never get into this. Okay, help me. So I've 298 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: heard so many great things about it, Yeah, meditation. Meditation 299 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: is an interesting one. I couldn't get into it for 300 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: a long time either. I would try to use apps 301 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: and stuff and I would just get I would do 302 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: it for a week maybe if I forced myself, and 303 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: then I would fall out of it again. I get bored, 304 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: but no, I feel you, and I would get anxious 305 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: like during it. What really helped me as a certain 306 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: type of meditation that I do that Like one of 307 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: my best friends in the world, Show of Me, he 308 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 1: used this form of meditation to really get me out 309 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: of my lowest points. And it's it's pretty simple basically, 310 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: I mean, and I want to do more like guided 311 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: meditation stuff like out there on the internet. But it's basically, 312 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: you know the basics of its finding a comfortable position, 313 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: closing your eyes, putting your arms out, palms facing upward, 314 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: you know, taking an initial breath, and with that initial breath, 315 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: imagine everything that's weighing you down, everything that's making you anxious, 316 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: stressed out, worried, everything that doesn't serve you. Imagine it 317 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: falling away and basically speaking through this whole thing. Like 318 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: whenever I do it, I do it with people or 319 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: I speak to myself and um, yeah, it's basically like 320 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: kind of starting from that place of like letting things go, 321 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: kind of imagining, you know, thoughts that are hitting your 322 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: mind kind of bouncing away and acknowledging to yourself and 323 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: to whoever you're with that it's okay to take a 324 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: moment for yourself, your spirit, your mind, your heart. Um, 325 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: talk about just like imagining the front of your chest 326 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: opening up and opening your heart entirely to receiving energy 327 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: and giving love. And then it becomes sort of it 328 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: becomes sort of like I'm not really a religious person myself, 329 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: but it becomes a bit like prayer, Like I start 330 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: talking about, you know, like sending love to various people 331 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: in my life, like people, you know that, my family 332 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: and my friends, people that are suffering right now. Um, 333 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: And and then sorry, I'm kind of rambling, but this 334 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: is all that's very helpful. It's really nice. And then 335 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: I kind of it's a lot of it's also like speaking, 336 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: like because I find when you speak from your heart, 337 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: there's almost no better way to be in the moment. 338 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: Like once I start not thinking about what I'm gonna 339 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: say in the meditation, I just say whatever naturally comes up. 340 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: It really becomes powerful and I get to a flow 341 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: state where I feel totally unaware of any thought except 342 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: for right this moment. And so I'll talk about you know, 343 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: like like say things like let us pray for guidance, 344 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: like let us have you know, the courage to to 345 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: follow our you know, to follow our guts and to 346 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: and to you know, always becoming be becoming a better person. 347 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: And it's it's a lot of kind of speaking things 348 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: into fruition and and if you're with other people, speaking 349 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: your love for them, you know, because sometimes it's hard 350 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: to express the way you feel towards people, um in 351 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: a normal social setting for whatever, at least for me. 352 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: So this is like I love to meditate with my 353 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: best friends and just um, you should just you should 354 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: do it alive, like just meditating because I would listen, 355 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: because just to kind of get everyone in their own head, 356 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: because that's hard to do, especially in quarantine by yourself. 357 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: I know, I tried to do an Instagram live meditation, 358 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: but I think it was kind of weird because I 359 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: was just alone speaking to the phone. So I think 360 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: you should like join, you should guess with somebody in 361 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: that way. It's like that would be nice, that would 362 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: be really nice. And then journaling, yeah, oh, journaling is 363 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: one that I've tried in the past, but I'm not 364 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: going to at I don't really do it anymore, right, 365 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: I like I can like do it like speaking to 366 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: my phone, but like I just when writing it just 367 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm actually taking a creative writing class 368 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: and every morning they make you journal for its keeping 369 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: me accountable with it. Nice change of paste for one's. 370 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about your foundation that you started, um, 371 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: the Blue Boy Foundation. How First of all, why did 372 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: you want to set a foundation? UM? I wanted to 373 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: do that. Well, it was it was tied into Sad Forever, 374 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: you know, when I when I wrote Sad Forever, and 375 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 1: then I was starting to get to a better place. 376 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: Um um Mentally, I wanted to one tell the story 377 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: um of kind of like what I was going through, 378 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: um really Sad Forever, tell the story through that music 379 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: video as well, and then take all the proceeds from 380 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: the song and find various organizations to that you know, 381 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 1: that are working in the field of mental health and 382 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: to you know, allocate that money and basically, UM, with 383 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: my team and a couple other friends and actually my 384 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: my family, a couple of people in my family are 385 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: on the board, We've made this foundation called Blue Boy Foundation, 386 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: where yeah, we're just um, trying to find ways you know, 387 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: collecting money and donating money to various organizations all over 388 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: the world. Um, collecting a dollar on ticket sales each 389 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: there was like a ticket tax on each concert ticket 390 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: that's going you know through the foundation. And I mean 391 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: my goal with this year, my big goal was to 392 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: sit down with an organization in every city that I 393 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 1: go on toward too and to meet a local organization 394 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: that's you know, in the field, and learn how like, 395 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: other than just raising money, what are other ways to help? 396 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: Because you know, I think there's a lot for everyone 397 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: to learn, and especially myself. Um, but yeah, I just 398 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 1: kind of wanted to start doing something like that. So 399 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: I think one of the things that people relate to 400 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: most as an artist is just your honesty. Do you 401 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: remember the first time like you felt a connection with 402 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: a fan that was beyond music and you lay connected 403 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: with your life. I'm trying to think. Um. I think 404 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: one of the thing that first kind of tripped me 405 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: out was when I started to see people get tattoos 406 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: in my lyrics, because then that kind of like hit me, 407 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: like for me to get a tattoo of the lyrics, 408 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: like I would have to love that song so deeply, 409 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 1: like I would have to do it in a song 410 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: that changed my life. And I think that's when I 411 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: was like, okay, like this is something serious, you know. Yeah, 412 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 1: I mean I think that's a big one that that's 413 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: crazy to think that people get. Do you remember the 414 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: first time that happened? Mm hmm it was I think 415 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: it was the first one I saw. I think it 416 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: was in Chicago, one of my very first shows, and 417 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: it was like, I forget what I said, but it 418 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: was on it was on her finger, But um, yeah, crazy. 419 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: I'm always surprised with musicians with anxiety how they can 420 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: just perform in front of a bunch of people, because 421 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: I can't imagine doing that. Yeah, it's interesting, like I 422 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: feel like I get more anxious around a small group 423 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: of people than I do a big group. Really, I 424 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: feel like it's so interesting how it's different for everybody. Yeah, 425 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: do you have your favorite tour memory. I played a 426 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: show in New York a couple of years back where 427 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: I just remember for I don't know why, it was 428 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: so pleasing, but like it was like the first time 429 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: I took my shoes off on stage, and it just 430 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: felt like such a moment to me. I felt so 431 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: calm and so grounded, and it was so amazing. It 432 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: was so good. I don't know, it was such a 433 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: good show too. It was like I think it was 434 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: kind of around a little bit after I Like Me 435 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: Better came out, and it was like, you know, songs 436 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: about living in New York and I wrote it in 437 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: New York and then being back in New York playing it, 438 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 1: it was just special. You went to n y U, right, 439 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 1: what we York? Because I live in New York, Okay, 440 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: and I'm about to do the whole college thing. So 441 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: can you give me any advice because I'm looking at everywhere. 442 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: I'm mainly looking at schools in California because I love 443 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 1: a California. But I'm always I'm always curious at NYU. 444 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: What did you study there? Music technology? So that must 445 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: help with your career. Yeah, I mean so basically it's 446 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: like audio engineering. Um, I feel like I feel like, 447 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, some of my favorite parts of school, 448 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,959 Speaker 1: like school wise, where I did a minor in psychology. 449 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 1: I really like that. The I feel like a lot 450 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: of what like, don't get me wrong, like having a 451 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: music degree definitely like helps, you know, I learned a lot, 452 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: but I feel like a lot of really what it's about, 453 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: especially in something like music, you don't I mean, first 454 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: of all, I don't want anybody to think they have 455 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: to go to school to be a successful artist, successful producers, 456 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: like so many people who don't do that, Like I 457 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: just I just don't, like, I don't subscribe to that 458 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: you have to go to school for this, like you know, 459 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: whether or not you can even afford it, Like I 460 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,479 Speaker 1: wouldn't even say you should feel like you have to go. 461 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: Um yeah, and I was lucky I was able to go, 462 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: and um, I really enjoyed my experience. But it was 463 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 1: really about like in that time, making you know, the 464 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: connections and meeting other people who were like minded and 465 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: creative and making music with them, working at studios in 466 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: turning all of that was super important. But I think, 467 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: you know, if you have the luxury to go to 468 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: school and it's something you really want to do, just 469 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: finding a good like atmosphere, you know, finding a place 470 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: that you feel like you can imagine making a lot 471 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: of great memories at and a school that feels like 472 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: in line with like in terms of a program that 473 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: feels like who you are and that you'll find like 474 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: minded people and also people that are not like minded 475 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: that will help you know, expand your perspective on life. 476 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: But um, yeah, and he was. It was a great 477 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: experience for me. I know, you interned out a lot 478 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: of places and Brutland for a lot of people. What 479 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: was the was memorable story you have from your interning days? 480 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. I think probably there's two. One was standing 481 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: in an elevator with jay Z when he's up and 482 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: I just didn't say anything. It's like him in a 483 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: security guarden. I just stood there because like as an intern, 484 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: you're like they're like, don't talk, like, don't talk to 485 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 1: these people, you know what I mean. It's like just 486 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: like shut up, like you know, I'm like, okay, fine, 487 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 1: because I wouldn't even know what to say. In general, 488 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: that was probably the craziest. Yeah, there's like pretty strict rules, 489 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: like when you bring in the food, like don't say anything, 490 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: like don't like. I think it's actually nice, like I 491 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: would feel more comfortable to be in the situation where 492 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: it feels I mean, this is kind of why I 493 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 1: don't love big studios because it feels so like formal 494 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: to me. Sometimes I love working in my house because 495 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: it's just like me, my friends, whatever, no rules, do whatever. 496 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: How much of your album did you write in your house? 497 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: Most of it? Yeah, I would say good, like sevent 498 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: it or something that's crazy. Do you have any I 499 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: know you have crazy collapse on this album, like you bats, 500 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: you a Lessia karl All incredibly talented people. If you 501 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: could have any other person for the future, like nothing 502 00:22:55,600 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: off limits, Drake, let's do some of that'd be so sick. Yeah. 503 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: And then I'm just growing up with such a huge 504 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: Coldplay fans, so I think it would be crazy to 505 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: do something with Coldplay. Well, you're doing the band, so yeah, right, 506 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: he's gonna He's gonna be in the band. Okay, I 507 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: know you've dyed your hair, and I actually like dyed 508 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: in my hair purple. I don't know if you can 509 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: see with this like it's fat, Yeah I could, I 510 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: can see a little bit. Yeah, if you could dye 511 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: your hair and other color, because I know you dyed 512 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: it like a bunch of colors, I don't know. I'm 513 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: kind of I think I'm over all the crazy colors. Honestly, 514 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: sometimes I think I would maybe go back to a 515 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: certain type of purple or blue if it was short again. 516 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: But I think I'm gonna grow out. I'm gonna see 517 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,479 Speaker 1: what happens as I grow it out. I don't know. 518 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: Is it gonna become curly again? Do you think with blonde? 519 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean probably if I let it 520 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: grow keep being curly. I just don't want to go 521 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: back to the curly brown hair. I want to do 522 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 1: something different. So we'll see. You could always like do 523 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: a mohawk. That could be your thing. That could be crazy, 524 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: or like you can die like a smiley face on 525 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: your head, or like a blue leg m. H keep 526 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: keep coming with the ideas, Okay, okay, I'll keep thinking. 527 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite quote? Maybe you can put 528 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: that on your head? WHOA, I don't know if I 529 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: do have a favorite quote. Maybe just it's lit. That's 530 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: a pretty good quote, I think so. I've actually when 531 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: I can't turn my mind off, and I have like 532 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: a list of quotes on my phone, and some are 533 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: so stupid and some are the best. But this one 534 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: is like when I first heard it, it blew my mind. 535 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: Okay already. It's anger is a punishment we give ourselves 536 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 1: for someone else's mistake, Like I don't even know who 537 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: said that, but so true. I don't know when I 538 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: heard that. It just blew my mind and it gave 539 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: me a different perspective on any Sometimes when I'm mad 540 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: or something, I realize you have to look back and 541 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: you're you're you're hoping that you're going to affect the 542 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: other person, but really you're just affecting yourself, you know. Yeah, 543 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: I'm always really curious, like the process of things. And 544 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people they just see like 545 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: a music and on and it's out and you don't 546 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: realize the work that goes into it. So like, well, 547 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 1: for sure, so like what is the process of creating 548 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: a song? Because I'm always very curious because every artist is. Yeah, 549 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,199 Speaker 1: I mean for me lately, it's been a little bit 550 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: different than it used to be. Like it used to 551 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 1: just be like sometimes on piano, sometimes on guitar, like 552 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: I'll get a melody, or I'll be walking and I 553 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: get a title, or I'll get a lyric, or I'll 554 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: just be making a beat. But usually it's been like 555 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 1: sitting with my friends, somebody else, one of my friends, um, 556 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 1: Johnny starting like a beat, I pick up the microphone. 557 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: I just freestyle stuff and then we're like, oh, that 558 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: sounds really cool. And then I'm like, oh, so the 559 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: song is about this now? Like I never go in 560 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: being like the song is about X y Z. It's 561 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: sort of like playing around until like the music feels 562 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 1: like the concept and I feel at all, and then 563 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 1: I just kind of like flesh it out from there 564 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: freestyle and stresses me out. Me too, I just started 565 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: doing this here, But like the more you do it, 566 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 1: the more fun it is and the better you get. 567 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: So that's cool. The way I see, like the way 568 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: lyric writing should be or the way I want it 569 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: to be for me is the same way I'm having 570 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 1: a conversation with you. I'm not okay. I just said 571 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: the word yellow, so I need to It's just the 572 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 1: words come out of my mouth because they are the 573 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: true words that I want to say, and I feel 574 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: like That's what I'm trying to do with my new music. 575 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: Is just here a chord progression or hear a beat 576 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: and say whatever it is that I feel with a 577 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: melody and then just go cool. You know, how how 578 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 1: long does it take to write one song? Would you say? Um, 579 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: as short as like an hour and then as long 580 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: as I don't know, a couple of months, I guess, 581 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,239 Speaker 1: but usually usually in like a few hour range. Yea, 582 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,199 Speaker 1: I asked us to a lot of people, but what 583 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: do you want to your music to be remembered as 584 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: in your legacy? Mm hmm. So I never really think 585 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: about that kind of stuff because it freaks me out. 586 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: I just focus on right now. That's what I try 587 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: and do. But I like to ask people. Yeah, I 588 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: don't know, because I think by the time I get there, 589 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: my answer is going to be so different, you know. 590 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: I guess. I just hope that my music will always 591 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: feel like it's evolving and that it's it's honest for 592 00:26:55,359 --> 00:27:00,360 Speaker 1: whatever wherever I was at that time. Um, and yeah, 593 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: I think it's just genuine and evolving. Are kind of 594 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: like the things that are important to me, and you 595 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: know that, you know, I think includes this idea of 596 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,439 Speaker 1: like what's really important to me at least right now, 597 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: and I imagine forever it's making music that that I 598 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: think really connects to people in a vulnerable way. So, yeah, 599 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: what's your goal for It's been a weird so far, 600 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: it's been a very long A few goals for another album, 601 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: get a girlfriend only, if it's natural. Uh, but that's 602 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 1: hard though, especially with Like I've been joking around with 603 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: my friends and I've been saying, you know, if I 604 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: find love in isolation, then I can write a book 605 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: called Finding Love and in Isolation and that will be 606 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: like just pretty tight. Well you should write it anyways, 607 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: and that should be about self love, finding love about 608 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: self love. That's pretty good. I feel like that could 609 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: just be your next song. You can take real I'm 610 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: have to steal that. Okay, you can take it. Yeah, 611 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: you'll get some percentage though. Okay, sounds good. Y Well, 612 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on my podcast. No, 613 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:04,959 Speaker 1: thank you, and thank you for all the questions. It's 614 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: really good vibes. Thank you. I think what you're doing 615 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: with music is so important. Thank you for talking about 616 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: things that need to be talked about. Of course, I'm 617 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 1: just doing what feels right. Thank you guys so much 618 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: for listening to this week's episode. Make sure you listen 619 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: to how I'm Feeling. Check out the Blue Boys Foundation. 620 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: Follow Loud on Instagram at loud Songs. 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