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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Ryan Warmly, joined by Andrew Ericson and by Jake Seely

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Speaker 1: from the Athletic. We are talking some polarizing players today,

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Speaker 1: draft or pass on some guys across all the positions

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Speaker 1: who have a pretty wide range of rankings in our

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Speaker 1: early rankings at fantasypros dot com slash rankings. You can

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Speaker 1: find our consensus rankings there for twenty twenty six. Also,

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Speaker 1: our tiers are on there as well from folks around

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Speaker 1: the industry. And we're gonna look at the guys who

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Speaker 1: have these very wide ranges at all the different positions

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Speaker 1: and see who we agree with being high and think

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Speaker 1: should be low, and where were coming down on a

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Speaker 1: lot of these guys before we dive in. Jake, what

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Speaker 1: are you going on with the Athletic these days?

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Speaker 2: All this off season content, dynasty rankings, rookie rankings, new

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Speaker 2: way too early rankings and rankings, rankings, rankings, rankings, because.

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Speaker 3: That's what here.

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Speaker 2: It is is just to talk about the stuff that

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Speaker 2: we're talking about today. So there's plenty of fun if

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Speaker 2: you want to start drafting early, which some of us,

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Speaker 2: including myself already have.

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Speaker 1: Ericson. I would ask what you have going on at work,

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Speaker 1: but I know you have a lot more going on

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Speaker 1: at home as a new dog dad. Congratulations.

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Speaker 4: Yep, have not been in the best ball streets because

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Speaker 4: I've been too busy cleaning up accidents in my house.

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Speaker 4: So that's how I've been preoccupied. But it's been a

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Speaker 4: lot of fun. Archie Rickson is the newest member of

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Speaker 4: the Rickson Clan Golden Retriever puppy eight weeks. He is

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Speaker 4: all of those eight weeks which he was older. I'm

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Speaker 4: just fingers crossed of what he'll be like when he's

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Speaker 4: a little bit older. Right now, he is a tornado

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Speaker 4: when he's up. But it's so fun. You see him

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Speaker 4: run around and then five seconds later just passed out,

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Speaker 4: just gone zonged. So it's been a while ride here

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Speaker 4: at the Rickson household, but set some time aside to

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Speaker 4: chop it up with you boys.

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Speaker 1: Archie is very, very adorable. We've seen some of the pictures.

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Speaker 1: Is he named after the future number one overall pick

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Speaker 4: I'm just I'm me and Archie were excited for college

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Speaker 4: football this year. Watch sit down, watch Archie in his

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Speaker 4: March for his heisman, so it should be.

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Speaker 5: A lot of fun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, here's a big Archie Bunker.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was I was trying to go how

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Speaker 1: many archies I could even think of? Those are pretty

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Speaker 1: much the only one of them is arch But yeah,

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Speaker 1: arch and Archie Bunker are the only two I could

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Speaker 1: think of. All right, let's let's dive into the episode here.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna start with quarterbacks. We got a couple for you.

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Speaker 1: First one I want to talk about is justin Herbert.

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Speaker 1: He's QB seven in ECR. His highest ranking is QB six.

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Speaker 1: His lowest ranking is down at QB fourteen. So considering

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Speaker 1: the kind of the range we're looking at, that's a

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Speaker 1: pretty wide spot of eight eight spots there at the position.

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Speaker 1: I like Herbert a lot. I'll just say right off

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Speaker 1: the bat, I am definitely closer to the higher ranking

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Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel. They I'm gonna hope finally have a healthy

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Speaker 1: I like the pieces around him at the running game

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Speaker 1: will be tryng. I'm just like, I really want to

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Speaker 1: be buying in on this offense and I love Herbert

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Speaker 1: the player. I remember watching Eric's in the first game

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Speaker 1: go bet on Herbert to win MVP this year? Like

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Speaker 1: he just looked like he was taking a step forward.

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Speaker 1: I kind of think it's all gonna come together even

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Speaker 1: more this year with the new offensive coordinator change. I

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Speaker 1: off by saying, I'm definitely on the high end of

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Speaker 4: I have met QB six, so I'm definitely on the

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Speaker 4: high You are the best ranker though, Justin Herbert, so

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Speaker 4: count of my chest for yep, Justin Herbert. I'm the

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Speaker 4: reason why he's on the show because I ranked him

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Speaker 4: as QB six the worm. You kind of summed it

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Speaker 4: up great where we remember talking about him on the

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Speaker 4: trade show. I'm gonna buy Justin Herbert man after what

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Speaker 4: we saw him do early on in the year when

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Speaker 4: the tackles were mostly healthy. Five games is Joe Walt

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty five, Justin Herbert average nearly twenty four

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Speaker 4: I get that the rushing and carries probably won't carry over.

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Speaker 4: He had career highs in those those last year, but

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Speaker 4: in terms of just pure ceiling, he tied Josh Allen

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Speaker 4: is an uber talented quarterback. I think that he's with

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Speaker 4: behind broken pieces, good weapons. Scott David Joku Now, I

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Speaker 4: love Justin Herbert. He's one of my favorite quarterbacks to draft,

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Speaker 4: in at six to seven range.

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Speaker 5: I think he's a good pick.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know if I would say for sure

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Speaker 1: that he might not run as much. I just I'm

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Speaker 1: very curious to see if Mike McDaniel, like I finally

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Speaker 1: some ideas with using him in that way. Obviously, not

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Speaker 1: that Herbert is like a Lamar Jackson level runner, but like, clearly,

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Speaker 1: I mean compared to two he might as well be.

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Speaker 1: So I am interested to see what McDaniel does in

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Speaker 1: that regard. But yeah, like Jake, I mean, I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at the rankings right now. I'm not saying I would

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Speaker 1: rank Herbert like as high as QB four. I'm not crazy,

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Speaker 1: but I will say, like right now, there are only

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Speaker 1: will not have, you know, below Herbert, and that's Alan

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Speaker 1: to entertain a conversation. I like Herbert that much.

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Speaker 2: Definitely not on the same page as you guys. Comes

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Speaker 2: down to, I think what I try to preach all

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Speaker 2: the time is don't buy all the risk. And I

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Speaker 2: think buying him at six as you're buying all the risk.

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Speaker 2: It is because let's make the easy comparison. If you

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Speaker 2: Mayfield from two years ago with the rushing, the four

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Speaker 2: but I don't think the fall off would be too

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Speaker 2: great where it's all of a sudden he only runs

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Speaker 2: Not gonna be a lot of rushing touchdowns though. So

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Speaker 2: that's why I say is look at Baker Mayfield. But

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Speaker 2: as Baker Mayfield showed last year and then the year

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Speaker 2: is that you could easily be QB twelve and just

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Speaker 2: not quite as good in the passing department. And that's

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Speaker 2: where my concern really lies is that, you know, justin Herbert,

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Speaker 2: going back to his first two seasons when he was

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Speaker 2: averaging twenty one Fantasy points per game, he hasn't been

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Speaker 2: asked to pass that much since then. And it's been

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Speaker 2: seventeen sixteen, seventeen sixteen. I know if he take the

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Speaker 2: first half of last year before all the injuries, it's

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Speaker 2: more like nineteen, which is really nice, but you're still

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Speaker 3: And where my real concern lies is everybody's excited.

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Speaker 2: For Mike McDaniel, and I get it, but at the

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Speaker 2: same time, we're talking about a team as every single year,

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Speaker 2: the Dolphins one of the lowest pace per plays the

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Speaker 2: Charge were just fourth lowest in pace per play last

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Speaker 2: year before getting Mike McDaniel in there, who also brought

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Speaker 2: in Kohler for a blocking tight end, and then they

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Speaker 2: signed David and Jok who they're clearly going to go

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Speaker 2: end sets. They were actually dead last in the league

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Speaker 2: last year using two tight ends and a team that's

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Speaker 2: still going to be run balanced. I'm not gonna say

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Speaker 2: run heavy. They actually were a heavy passing team last year.

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Speaker 2: To say all this to say, it's like, I don't

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Speaker 2: think I'm not putting Herbert down at fifteen. I just

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Speaker 2: think putting him at five or six or even seven,

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Speaker 2: I think you're just buying that he has to do

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Speaker 2: everything that Baker did two years ago. Ken, He absolutely,

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Speaker 2: I'm just not going to buy him at that because

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Speaker 2: I feel like now you're buying the fact that if

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Speaker 2: he just was last year, as Andrews said, it's still good,

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Speaker 2: but it's actually a pretty significant drop off from what

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Speaker 2: you're like, seventeen eighteen, nineteen fantasy points at per game

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Speaker 2: at quarterback is kind of that's a bunch of guys

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Speaker 2: who are gonna do like Trevor Lawrence, Dak Prescott, even

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Speaker 2: Jackson Dart. If he stays health to get the twenty one,

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Speaker 2: you really need to make that difference, and I feel

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Speaker 2: like putting them at six, you kind of need him

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Speaker 1: What do you think about that? Erickson?

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Speaker 4: No, I think that laying out with the numbers of

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Speaker 4: what it takes to hit a certain threshold is really

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Speaker 4: good to illuminate because if Jake is saying that there

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Speaker 4: are other quarterbacks that he feels can hit that similar ceiling,

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Speaker 4: but where you're not paying for basically the ecr ADP

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Speaker 4: is suggesting that this is like the favorite to make

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Speaker 4: the jump into elite in twenty twenty six, which doesn't

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Speaker 4: mean it's wrong, it's just it has to hit or

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Speaker 4: else you're gonna be really disappointed, So Jake, Besides which,

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Speaker 4: so where do you.

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Speaker 5: Actually have justin Herbert ranked?

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Speaker 2: I'm a ten, okay, but I have him in a

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Speaker 2: giant tier. So my tier one is Alan May, Jackson, Daniels,

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Speaker 2: Tier one Burrows sitting by himself, and then I have

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Speaker 2: a really really really small tier of two, which I

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Speaker 2: know one is gonna make everybody lose their minds not

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Speaker 2: of the show. But my really small tier of two

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Speaker 2: is Hurts and Dart. I know everybody hates Jackson or

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Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts undeservedly, So that's a conversation for another day.

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Speaker 2: Those are my two, and then my tier with Herbert

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Speaker 2: is Dak and Lawrence and Caleb and Nix and Purdy

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Speaker 2: and Kyler and Herbert like all those names. So if

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Speaker 2: you want to put him as high as eight, I'm

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Speaker 2: okay with it. I just can't get to six.

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Speaker 1: I guess what I would say to that is just

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Speaker 1: like a lot of the names ahead of him also

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Speaker 1: have their own risk, like Daniels obviously didn't have a

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Speaker 1: very good season last year and has injury risk. Burrow

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Speaker 1: gets hurt all the time, you know, dark playing the

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Speaker 1: injury about concussions all the time. I mean, like I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying like they're like because you're talking about like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you're like kind of you know, spending up with a

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Speaker 2: And that's what I'm saying, Like, if you want to,

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Speaker 2: I'm just not going to try to predict like, oh

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair. Dart is one where I think, like

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Speaker 4: But the thing too, But in a one quarterback league,

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Speaker 4: to Jake's point, you draft Trevor Lawrence as QB eleven.

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Speaker 4: He was the high scoring quarterback basically the second half

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Speaker 4: To be significantly less than Justin Herbert, but he showed

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Speaker 5: Yeah right, so it's.

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Speaker 4: Not a matter I mean, Jake is playing more Ugan.

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Speaker 4: The cost is really important here, not necessarily. Well, Jake,

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Speaker 4: if I told you that justin Herbert and Trevor went

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's get to the other quarterback we

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Speaker 1: but another wide ranger as high as QB thirteen for some,

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Speaker 1: I'll start with you on Kyler. Where do you come

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Speaker 2: I was almost the other person he like Andrew was.

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Speaker 2: I'm the guy that has him at the six. This

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Speaker 2: He doesn't make that tier with the others. But it

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Speaker 3: Two things.

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Speaker 2: One is he's going to a situation, which you would

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Speaker 2: argue is better because yes, Kevin O'Connell has kind of

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Speaker 2: O'Connell maximize the strength of his quarterbacks. It's signalar and

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to go down that road. But similar

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Speaker 2: to the Hurts argument, you don't think these teams bring

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Speaker 2: And I think Juwan Jennings is the underrated signing to

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Speaker 2: add either third wide receiver. But everything's here, and the

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Speaker 2: reason he's not higher is because he doesn't run as.

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Speaker 3: Much as he did four or five years ago.

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Speaker 2: If he did, if he was running six seven hundred yards,

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Speaker 2: I'd argue that a healthy Kyler with the Vikings could

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Speaker 2: this conversation where we're having about Lawrence and Dart and

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Speaker 2: unlike what pets Sing and the rest tried to do

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Speaker 2: with the Cardinals. I think it's actually a better spot

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Ericson? I mean, is any of

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Speaker 1: the shine coming off of Kevin O'Connell as the quarterback

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Speaker 1: whisper because of what we saw from jj McCarthy last year?

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Speaker 1: Do you still believe McCarthy wasn't his fault?

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Speaker 3: Stop it?

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Speaker 1: I just have to ask the question if he's this,

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Speaker 1: you know, quarterback whisper, but yeah, what do you think Ericson?

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Speaker 5: Well, I think he's a veteran quarterback whisperer.

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Speaker 4: He takes quarterbacks who have already played in the NFL

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Speaker 4: for some extent, have had some success and obviously some failure,

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Speaker 4: and then he has morphed them into really productive pros.

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Speaker 4: Jjy McCarthy missed his entire rookie year, so basically he

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Speaker 4: shown that he could transform a young player with not

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Speaker 4: these Vikings quarterbacks do in this system. So I'm not

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Speaker 4: cooked at this point. Again, he's coming off another season

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Speaker 4: just totally ignore that. I do think that the system

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Speaker 4: He's got Jordan Datisy, He's got arguably the best wide

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Speaker 5: So he's got weapons galore.

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Speaker 4: And he's also in a position of his NFL career where, dude,

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Speaker 4: something like he is playing again, he's getting paid this

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Speaker 4: It's not the first time we've seen a player drafted

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Speaker 4: be super shocking to see Kyler Murray because we've seen

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Speaker 4: the highs with him where he can be a top

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Speaker 4: ten finishes, five in points per game when he came

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Speaker 4: back from injury two does twenty three. So although the

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Speaker 4: come back from an injury and be productive. I remember

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Speaker 4: this guy's not going to run. He immediately runs and

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Speaker 4: it really blew me away, and I'm like, man, all

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Speaker 4: my takes on Kyler Murray were aging like spoiled Milk,

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Speaker 4: just absolutely terrible. So will it happen again remains to

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Speaker 4: oh baby, Now you have an asset so that you

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Speaker 4: saying Jake is oh Calla Murray's gonna be locked alone

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Speaker 1: twenty six. All right, guys, let's get to the running

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Speaker 1: backs here. We'll start off with the guy who's ranked

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Speaker 1: inside the top twelve. That's Kenneth Walker. He's RB eleven.

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Speaker 1: His best ranking is as high as RB seven, but

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Speaker 1: his worst is down at RB twenty. Ericson, I'll start

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Speaker 1: with you, which end are you closer to.

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Speaker 4: I'm closer to the high end of him at RB seven,

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Speaker 4: so I have him in said my top ten running backs.

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Speaker 4: I just really love the fit with the Kansas City

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Speaker 4: Chiefs offense. They need an explosive playmaker out of the backfield.

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Speaker 4: That's what they got and Ken Walker, that's really what

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Speaker 4: he does best is generate exposive plays, both as a

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Speaker 4: the fact that the Chiefs last year were still eighth

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Speaker 4: NFL can't guarantee ken Walker is going to get all

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Speaker 5: He probably won't.

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Speaker 4: They're probably going to use Imari de Mercado in certain situations,

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Speaker 4: But in the second half the season, Mahomes is playing better.

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Speaker 4: Maybe he's seeing less touches as they try to keep

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Speaker 4: him fresh for the potential playoffs, but he's more efficient

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Speaker 4: because now the defense have to respect a fully healthy

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Speaker 5: I'm not. I don't think that's a hot take.

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Speaker 4: And although there'll be times where it's kind of frustrating

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Speaker 4: and there, he's still a Day three rookie running back,

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Speaker 4: even though I do like him, and for me, it's

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Speaker 4: there's no exact sharbon a on this Chiefs team, Like

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Speaker 4: that's the big thing for me. And we saw the

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Speaker 4: upside with ken Walker when Hey, he got the keys

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Speaker 4: So obviously, injuries always play a factor when it comes

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Speaker 4: to running backs, appecially with a guy like Walker, but

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Speaker 5: I like that a lot, so I'm in.

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Speaker 1: So as a top ten running back. Is that like

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Speaker 1: late second round for you? Where are you looking to

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Speaker 1: draft him round wise?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I think that's prebac second Oka second round.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Actually he has moved up to RB

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Speaker 1: for him. Jake, where is he at for you?

435
00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,239
Speaker 2: He's well inside my top ten And the fact like

436
00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,359
Speaker 2: I think seven or eight, but more so that I

437
00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,160
Speaker 2: have him as a mid second rounder because I'm even

438
00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,160
Speaker 2: more aggressive than Andrew is on this. They sign him

439
00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,080
Speaker 2: to a major deal and bring him in to say like,

440
00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:17,879
Speaker 2: you are our lead and I know whether it might

441
00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,240
Speaker 2: be day Marcotto or Emma Johnson wherever it might be,

442
00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,119
Speaker 2: and I know there's years of everybody chasing the Chiefs

443
00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,560
Speaker 2: running back because it's the backfield, and the Chiefs have

444
00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,760
Speaker 2: been middle of the road offensively for the past couple

445
00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,360
Speaker 2: of seasons. So it's not like it's this magical landing spot,

446
00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,760
Speaker 2: but it's magical for what we want for Kenneth Walker

447
00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,919
Speaker 2: because we've been dealing with the Zach Charbonne for how

448
00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,760
Speaker 2: many years? The whole time with the Seahawks. And I

449
00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,399
Speaker 2: went back and look, since Kennth Walker came in the league,

450
00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,919
Speaker 2: you want the numbers on him, just fourteen touches or

451
00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,920
Speaker 2: more in a game. Every time he's had at least

452
00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,879
Speaker 2: fourteen touches, he's averaging fifteen Fantasy points per game. Then

453
00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,480
Speaker 2: we make him RB seven and by the way of

454
00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:57,359
Speaker 2: those games, he's only failed to hit double digits seven times.

455
00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,239
Speaker 2: So he has actually been what we've wanted to them

456
00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,040
Speaker 2: to be. And what is everybody screamed at the top

457
00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,959
Speaker 2: of their lungs watching it happen with the Seahawks being like,

458
00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:06,679
Speaker 2: oh my god, why don't they use it more? Oh

459
00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,719
Speaker 2: my god, why don't they use it more? Even if

460
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,960
Speaker 2: it's just fourteen, which it'll probably be more like sixteen seventeen,

461
00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,080
Speaker 2: Even if like Andrew's saying they see some touches or

462
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,159
Speaker 2: snaps on third downs, passing situations, whatever. It might be

463
00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,800
Speaker 2: just average fourteen touches per game, and we're gonna get

464
00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,720
Speaker 2: fifteen Fantasy points per game on the Chiefs because Kenneth

465
00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:25,800
Speaker 2: Walker is their clear lead. So I am well in

466
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,320
Speaker 2: on Kenneth Walker as a mid second round pick this year.

467
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, the rankings are not in agreement, but the three

468
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,880
Speaker 1: of us are. We all definitely really like Walker here,

469
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,679
Speaker 1: especially in this range. Let's go to the next running

470
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Speaker 1: back on the list, Cuba Hubbard. He's RB twenty seven.

471
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Speaker 1: And by the way, I don't think I don't know

472
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Speaker 1: if I said this at the top or not. We're

473
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Speaker 1: looking at the half PPR rankings in ECR when I'm

474
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,439
Speaker 1: saying these rankings. Obviously if you change some of these

475
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,400
Speaker 1: will look a little bit different. But Cuba Hubbard RB

476
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Speaker 1: twenty seven, His best is RB nineteen. His worst is

477
00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,320
Speaker 1: down at RB thirty nine, So a twenty spot difference

478
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Speaker 1: from best to worst. Jake, where are you at with Hubbard?

479
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,400
Speaker 2: I'm a few spots lower. I don't know how much

480
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,200
Speaker 2: Hubbard are going to have just because not saying it's

481
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,159
Speaker 2: definitely but it feels like two years ago it might

482
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 2: have been an anomaly for Hubbard in his career. And

483
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,440
Speaker 2: you watch what the Panthers did, and all they did

484
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,160
Speaker 2: was signed AJ Dillon this offseason. So you have Hubbard,

485
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 2: Brooks and a chan question mark. Trevor hasn't said if

486
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 2: he wants the same last name as his brother, so

487
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I mean that's the backfield of today,

488
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,879
Speaker 2: which I know people might say they let Doubtell go

489
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 2: and that's a positive for Hubbard, but I think it

490
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:33,680
Speaker 2: might be more of a positive, like they still think

491
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 2: they have something in Jonathan Brooks. So we're talking about

492
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 2: Jonathan Brooks the talent and what he was thought of

493
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 2: coming out as college as a Bellcal NFL running back

494
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 2: with top ten potential. And I know there's two major injuries,

495
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,679
Speaker 2: but maybe he is close to one hundred percent and

496
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 2: close to anything like the running back I mean, hell, Nick.

497
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 3: Chubb did it.

498
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 2: There's been other Kareem Hunts where like we've had running

499
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 2: backs that have had serious injuries, and we could go

500
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Speaker 2: down a bigger list than that, but like there's been

501
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,880
Speaker 2: plenty that have gotten back to what we thought they

502
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,199
Speaker 2: could be before their injuries. So I'm thinking to say, like,

503
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,919
Speaker 2: I don't know that Hubbard's definitively the one as in

504
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,120
Speaker 2: Bell cow One. I think the doubt wile usage last

505
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 2: year pointed to the fact that they weren't enamored with

506
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 2: him in net work, and I know the contract is there,

507
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 2: but I think that might have been more of Buyer's

508
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 2: remorse that we were seeing last season with the Panthers.

509
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 2: So I'm saying to say, is like, Yeah, Hubbard's fine

510
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 2: in this range. I'll probably be taking wide receivers just

511
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 2: because I've been oscily taking a lot of late round

512
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 2: flyers on Jonathan Brooks, just on the chance that he's

513
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Speaker 2: anything like we saw pre injury.

514
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ericson, I'm curious what you think about Hubbard, but

515
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 1: also what you think of Brooks playing into this backfield.

516
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 5: I'd much rather have Brooks at his cost.

517
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Speaker 4: That's kind of how I see this Panthers backfield where

518
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 4: Chuba Hubbard to me, looks a little bit like a

519
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 4: dead zone running back. Now the dead zone I mean

520
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,120
Speaker 4: in terms of the profile of the player, not where

521
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 4: they're going in drafts, because that has also completely changed

522
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 4: in the last couple of seasons. But primarily operating on

523
00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 4: early downs. He does catch passes, but he hasn't been

524
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 4: super efficient as a pass catcher. And what has Jonathan

525
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 4: Brooks offered that maybe Cheba Hubbard isn't great at his catching.

526
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 5: Passes out of the backfield.

527
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 4: When Jonathan Brooks came back in twenty twenty four from

528
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:16,199
Speaker 4: his first Injurychuba Hubbard's targets were immediately nuked. So I

529
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 4: think that's going to play a big factor. And it's

530
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 4: just hard for me to get so gun ho on

531
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 4: a running back that lost his job just last year

532
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 4: to a pretty much career journeyman running back in Ricodella.

533
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 4: Ricodowlla wasn't some young stud that was drafted highly. He

534
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,439
Speaker 4: was an undrafted guy who had a big year with

535
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 4: the Dallas Cowboys, went over one thousand scremer yards. Him

536
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,640
Speaker 4: and Chuba Hubbard were both very good in twenty twenty four,

537
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 4: and Hubbard got hurt lost his job. So that doesn't

538
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,679
Speaker 4: make me feel really warm and fuzzy about Okay, you

539
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 4: gotta draft this guy because he's going to smash and

540
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 4: do but he did in twenty twenty four. Again, you

541
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 4: look at twenty twenty four, he also broke down during

542
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,239
Speaker 4: that season as well. So he also hasn't been a

543
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 4: player that has lasted the majority of both twenty twenty

544
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 4: four and twenty twenty five seasons. So I think that

545
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 4: the Panthers are going to you a committee of guys.

546
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 4: I still think they like Brooks. They still drafted Trevor

547
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 4: etna Chan whatever his name is, we don't know, but

548
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 4: they seem to like him a little bit as well.

549
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 4: So I think Hubbard to me, is someone that I'm

550
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 4: cool passing on. Take the upside on maybe a more

551
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 4: ambiguous backfield with the player like Donathan Brooks is only

552
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 4: twenty two years old and he is barely played in Ena.

553
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: I believe he'll be twenty three to start the season.

554
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: For obviously still very young, but just say.

555
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a still very young player.

556
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 4: And week one after we watched happens in Week one,

557
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 4: you can see the view of Hubbard and Brooks dramatically change.

558
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 4: So I'm not willing to say I'm so confident Hubbard

559
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 4: to take him. Now when Brooks as I top forty

560
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 4: running backs, that's where I want to kind of take

561
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 4: my chance on this Panther's running backfield.

562
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: Will is still twenty first yeah, so coming up in

563
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: a couple of months.

564
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 5: May twenty three is one one day away from my birthday.

565
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: Shout Jonathan brook Shout Jonathan Brooks. This is really like

566
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: you said that the dead zone ericson, Like, this kind

567
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 1: of group of players we're talking about is really like

568
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: the polarizing zone, because in this tier we have TRUEB Hubbard,

569
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: we have the next two names we're about to talk about.

570
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: We also have Jenderian Price, who we're not talking about,

571
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: but has a very wide standard deviation as well. If

572
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: you look at the Fantasy pros rankings, it's a lot

573
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: of names in this kind of late twenties early thirties

574
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 1: of the running back position where people are very split

575
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 1: on them and will be kind of a key area

576
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: to get right on draft day. I think so, Like

577
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: I said, we just talked about Hubbard, We're not talking

578
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 1: about Price. We are going to talk about the two

579
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: Broncos guys. R J. Harvey and JK. Dobbins are both

580
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 1: in this range. RJ. Harvey is RB twenty nine. His

581
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: highest ranking is RB twenty, his lowest is RB forty. JK.

582
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 1: Dobbins he's RB thirty five. His highest ranking is twenty seven.

583
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 1: His lowest ranking is forty seven. Do you think, Jacob,

584
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: this is a case of like the you know, rankers

585
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: are saying, like, we have to pick one of these

586
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: guys to rank high and the other to rank low,

587
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: and that's almost why they both have such wider ranges.

588
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: Or do you think they are just both kind of

589
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: inherently difficult to rank players this year?

590
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: I think I want to know how RJ. Harvey hurt you,

591
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 2: the person who put him at forty What the heck like?

592
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 2: You cannot think he's the best option in the backfield,

593
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 2: but forty Wow, that's crazy to me. But all that

594
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 2: being said, there's risk with this backfield. It is Sean Payton.

595
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 2: Sean Payton loves to have sometimes four active running backs

596
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 2: on game day. This is just what Sean Payton does.

597
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 2: If anybody doesn't know his first year playing, Sean Payton

598
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 2: hates your fantasy team, including wide receivers and everything else

599
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 2: and his joker role. But all that being said, I

600
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 2: still have Harvey the highest. I'm not far from consensus

601
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 2: on him or Dobbins. I think that a healthy Dobbins

602
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 2: we just saw last year. It was better as the

603
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 2: short yards, even at times better in the passing game,

604
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 2: but they're a nice compliment to each other, whether or

605
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: not Dobbins stays healthy the entire year. I think that's

606
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 2: why they took Jonah Coleman. I'm not enamored by Jonah Coleman.

607
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people saw this landing spot

608
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh my gosh, Jonah Coleman and he's

609
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 2: going to take over Dobbins. No. I think he's the

610
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 2: plan for next year or if Dobbins happens to get

611
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 2: hurt in twenty twenty six. Remember how excited everybody was

612
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: for Caleb Johnson last year, and I think that Coleman's

613
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 2: slightly better than Caleb Johnson, But I don't think it's

614
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: world's better. Where Why are we just crucifying Harvey and

615
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: Dobbins because they drafted Coleman. I think it's a smart play.

616
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 2: I think it's a smart play by the Broncos knowing

617
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 2: the health risk of Dobbins and then he's essentially one

618
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 2: year contract and gone. But I'm still gonna take Harvey

619
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 2: as the as the upside one because there's one thing

620
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 2: that also with Peyton's backfield, he likes to kind of

621
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 2: have the lead option the pass catcher, And I know

622
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 2: I just referenced that Dobbins was doing better early last year,

623
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 2: but Harvey definitely picked that up as the year went on.

624
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: In the second half when it was his backfield, he

625
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 2: was struggling in the areas that we knew he'd probably

626
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 2: struggle in, but was still explosive enough to put up

627
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 2: some decent numbers and somewhat in the passing game was

628
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 2: getting those targets.

629
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Speaker 3: So I think the.

630
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 2: Concern for Harvey is that he can't be a true

631
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 2: three down, three hundred touch running back, but as the

632
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 2: complimentary piece, and that's you usually who gets featured more

633
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 2: as the pass catcher. I'm going to take Harvey first,

634
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 2: then Dobbins, and then yeah, we could see Jonah Coleman

635
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 2: as like OH League winner if JK. Dobbins gets hurt

636
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden like Harvey's just has

637
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 2: no improvement for last year. But I think Coleman's getting

638
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: way overrated just off the draft spot.

639
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: So one feature you can do on a player's profile

640
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: page on fantasypros dot Com is if you click rankings,

641
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: you can see who individually has them ranked, where a

642
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: couple a couple of the guys who have him down

643
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: near forty are guys who have been on the show before.

644
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: Jacob Gibbs from CBS and Sports Line has him at

645
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: RB forty. Justin Boone has him RB thirty five, and

646
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: then our very own Pat fitz Morris has him RB

647
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: thirty six. And again this is in half people ranking

648
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, I was gonna say shame he's not

649
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: on the show here to argue his case. Ericson where

650
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: do you come down on Harvey? And I want to

651
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: kind of loop Dobbins into the same conversation, the two

652
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: of them together. What are you doing with them?

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00:28:59,600 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 5: Yeah?

654
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 4: I have them pretty close to ECR and pretty close

655
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 4: to where Jake has So I have Harvey thirty Dobbins

656
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 4: thirty four. So I still take Harvey over Dobbins because

657
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 4: although we don't like to play the injury card, we've

658
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 4: seen this with Dobbins.

659
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: That one I will play that one's a little different

660
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: and then like like this.

661
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 4: So it makes sense that the Broncos drafted a guy

662
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 4: to fill in that type of grinder role, especially with

663
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 4: a player like Coleman who profiled and he's a bowling

664
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Speaker 4: ball right and he fits I think exactly what they

665
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 4: maybe didn't get or don't want to necessarily ensure if

666
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 4: Harvey doesn't take that step, Okay, well, at least we

667
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 4: have Jonah Coleman. We feel confident that maybe he can

668
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 4: do and fill this role. And I think that's how

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00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 4: I view Harvey as a loss, not because his role

670
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 4: changes with the addition of Coleman, but the contingent upside

671
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 4: of Dobbins goes down Harvey back into that three down

672
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 4: role like that seems like it's gone because now Coleman

673
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 4: is introduced. So I think that's how I view it

674
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 4: a little bit differently. After the NFL Draft, that contingent

675
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 4: upside where one injury away, which is what we talk

676
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 4: about a lot with these running backs because it is

677
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 4: a position where you can gain so much value. If

678
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 4: the starter goes down with the Broncos Sean Payton, it's

679
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 4: not that easy, especially with Coleman added to this back

680
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 4: So that's just one thing I wanted to add in.

681
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 4: But I don't really think I view the backfield differently

682
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 4: than Jake. Where Harvey's the receiving profile, which usually is

683
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 4: the thing that's harder for rookie running backs to hit

684
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 4: in their first year. Harvey was good as a receiver,

685
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 4: really high target rate perrout run. They used him in

686
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 4: the red zone. So he also plays in a good offense.

687
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,959
Speaker 4: So I think Harvey is in a spot where if

688
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 4: people are really really low on him, I think there's

689
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 4: an opportunity to buy a player like this, especially in

690
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 4: full PPR formats, because we let's gotta do this, improve

691
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 4: some of the rushing it's got to put off.

692
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 5: It'sive line. If he can be average, okay, then we're

693
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 5: cooking with gas.

694
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 4: He's already kind of like done the hard thing right

695
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 4: where it's like we're begging for guys to be using

696
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 4: the receiving game more like please catch passes. Whereas rushing

697
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 4: between the twenties and even if Harvey's not seeing ten

698
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 4: twelve carries a game.

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00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 5: Dude's explosive.

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Speaker 4: Remember all those big plays he had. He doesn't necessarily

701
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 4: need that type of saying volume as a rusher to

702
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 4: get yardage. So those are the things I wanted to

703
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 4: kind of layer in here, which is also why I

704
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Speaker 4: have Harvey ranked ahead of Dobins, just because I also

705
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 4: know Dobins he's not meant to He's not built for

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Speaker 4: seventeen games.

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Speaker 1: Let's move to the receivers here, Jake, you specifically requested

747
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: that we talk about EJ. Moore on this show Wide

748
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: Receiver twenty eight. He is his best ranking his wide

749
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: receiver seventeen. His worst is down at wide receiver forty four.

750
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: Where are you ranked with the which one is hold on?

751
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 3: In the comments on we need to find this? Where's

752
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 3: this full profile?

753
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 2: I need to find out who who's forty four so

754
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 2: I can come for them, because that's that's.

755
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: I'll pull it up here.

756
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, so seventeen.

757
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: Oh Funston my cohort over the Athletic, He's trying to

758
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 2: jump me. Derek Brown's trying to jump me. There's your

759
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: hint to where my answer is? So apparently, Oh, this

760
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: is two times Matthew Hill and.

761
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 3: I are on way opposite page. Smitty is the worst

762
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 3: at forty seven.

763
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: We got to come for these people because I don't

764
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: know what they're smoking.

765
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 3: But this is insane.

766
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 2: So DJ Moore just two years removed from Wide Receiver

767
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: seven finish, by the way, Oh, who were the quarterbacks

768
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: justin feels Entyson badgin't like those were the quarterbacks.

769
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 3: That was also, by the way.

770
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 2: The last time that Josh Allen threw to anybody more

771
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 2: than one hundred times, it was Stephan Diggs who finished

772
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 2: his wide receiver nine granted on one hundred and sixty targets.

773
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: But the Bills watched what they tried to do the

774
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 2: last two years, which is basically what Tom Brady was

775
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 2: asked to do a lot towards the end of his

776
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 2: Patriots career, and it's like, hey, you're so good, you

777
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 2: elevate everybody else. We'll ask Khalil Shakir, who should be

778
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: a two maybe a three in the NFL at best,

779
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: to be your one. We'll ask this raw Keon Coleman

780
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: to step in from day one and do things. We'll

781
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 2: ask all these Jabronis to come in and be your

782
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 2: wide receivers. And they said, well, that's not working. We

783
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: got to change things. If we want to win the

784
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 2: Big One, if we want to be successful every single week,

785
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: we need a true number one wide receiver.

786
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 3: And they made this number.

787
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 2: They made this trade to get a number one wide

788
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 2: receiver for DJ Moore.

789
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 3: Who still has wide receiver one upside? Did I rank

790
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 3: him there? No people are ahead of me.

791
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: I'm in nineteen, so I got jumped by a few

792
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 2: people putting him at seventeen. But that's where he should

793
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: be walking into one hundred and thirty plus targets. Nobody

794
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 2: on this team contends with DJ Moore for the lead option,

795
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 2: and Josh Allen is going to know that and going

796
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: to use him from day one. And I think DJ

797
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 2: Moore being locked in as a wide receiver two in

798
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 2: fantasy is a guarantee I will go down with that ship.

799
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: You could cold take me if it doesn't happen injury aside,

800
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: but if he plays a full sixteen, having a seventeen

801
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 2: sixteen out of seventeen games, and doesn't finish as a

802
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 2: wide receiver two this year, we'll figure out something for

803
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: that show. Because I don't see any way that doesn't happen.

804
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: He's had a real floor despite his really poor quarterback play.

805
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you mentioned the ceiling obviously that number six

806
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: finish a couple of years ago, but like you know,

807
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: after his rookie season wide receiver sixteen twenty five, eighteen,

808
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: twenty four, six, sixteen, and then last year obviously the

809
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 1: down year, but there was a stretch of six straight

810
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: seasons where his worst finish was twenty five, So technically

811
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 1: not a wide receiver two, but obviously just right outside

812
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: it that year, and that was with basically no you know,

813
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: barely scoring any touchdowns, right, he was scoring four four, four, seven,

814
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: eight six, Like in a high scoring offense, is the

815
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 1: number one option? Like, I'm I don't know exactly where

816
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: I have in ranked, Jake, but I definitely closer to

817
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: you than to wide receiver forty four. I'll say that

818
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: very very common.

819
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 2: I have a feeling in the fouries maybe haven't updated

820
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: since the end of the season, and they still like

821
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 2: have him, like as Chicago Bear did you more?

822
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was trying to look when I was looking

823
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: at the RJ. Harvey one, and I was like, I

824
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: wonder if like like Jacob Gibbs or you know, had

825
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: had updated it yet and he had. I haven't looked

826
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: at all of these guys who have him low. Your

827
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: friend Joe Rico Erickson is on here as well, with

828
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: DJ Moore down at wide receiver forty four. Where is

829
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: he for you?

830
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 4: Well, let's peel back the onion with people that have

831
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 4: him ranked really low? Is that following the Joe Brady

832
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 4: Buffalo Bills. Everybody eats philosophy where no, we don't want

833
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 4: to have a number one, And I think that how

834
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 4: legitimate is that case that's really been since they jettisoned

835
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 4: Stefan Diggs in that second half of that season, they

836
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 4: decided we're not going to have a number one wide

837
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 4: receiver anymore. We're done with this. Does Dj Moore change

838
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 4: out equation? Jake clearly thinks that is the case. And

839
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 4: I think, regardless of whether that's right or wrong, chasing

840
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 4: that ceiling makes it worth betting on because with Dj

841
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 4: Moore worm you just talked about it. This dude has

842
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 4: had a super high floor his entire NFL career. Six

843
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 4: of his last seven seasons he's wide receiver twenty two

844
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 4: or better. With laundry list of quarterbacks that are hardly

845
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 4: players that we want our receivers catching passes from, Like, oh,

846
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 4: I'm hoping it's justin feel like you're not hoping that.

847
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 4: But now, who is he playing with? Throw every other

848
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 4: analysis he's played with the best quarterback of his career

849
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 4: name Josh Well.

850
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this.

851
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 2: They traded essentially a second rounder. You're telling me they

852
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 2: don't break they I don't care if it's Brady or whoever.

853
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 2: You trade a second rounder and you don't treat them

854
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 2: as they're one, like, you make them a collection of options.

855
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: I just that would make If that's the case, and

856
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 2: that's the downside, and I'm completely wrong, and that's where

857
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 2: they go with this. I know that you weren't saying that, Andrew,

858
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 2: but if that's where they go with this, fire the staff.

859
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: You do not trade a second rounder for Dj Moore

860
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 2: and then put him as a part of a collective.

861
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 4: I do think they're but that's the worst case scenario.

862
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 4: He's the one A but ends up still being to

863
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 4: your point, he's still top twenty four guy. So even

864
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 4: if he doesn't hit that ceiling because he's not used

865
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 4: as a true alpha and I kind of like on

866
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 4: the fence about Dj Moore of a true alpha type

867
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 4: of wide receiver because he's had obviously wide receiver one

868
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 4: seasons before that being said, the upside case especially attached

869
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 4: to Joe Brady, who he has had success with before,

870
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 4: and they're times together in Carolina when Brady call plays

871
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty twenty twenty one.

872
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 5: During those seasons more.

873
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 4: Wide receiver twenty two wide receiver nineteen half pbr nearly

874
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 4: twelve hundred receiving yards both seasons, eleven point five Fantasy

875
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 4: points per game, which are road ranked wide receiver.

876
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 5: What did you have him as?

877
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 4: Jake our receiver seventeen my receiver seventy seventeen for them

878
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 4: fund Oh seventeen, seventeen seventeen for Funston. So yeah, it's

879
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 4: I feel like we can paint the picture of how

880
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 4: DJ Moore does hit his high range of outcomes, and

881
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 4: that's how you win in Fantasy right, chasing that ceiling.

882
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: DJ Moore, by the way, in twenty twenty was his

883
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: age twenty three season. He had the second most targets

884
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: on the team that year behind Robbie Chosen, and then

885
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,479
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, the other year under Joe Brady,

886
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: he had one hundred and sixty three targets, which is

887
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: he wasn't Robbie Chosen though Brady was willing to use

888
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: him as a number one guy.

889
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, well was he was? He was He Robbie with

890
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 5: a why Robbi.

891
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 2: And like seventeen different names with this dude. Yeah, he's legitimately.

892
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: I don't remember Robbie chosen Anderson and Robbie chosen like

893
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: the dude's legit had four names.

894
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I I remember him as

895
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 1: Robbie Anderson. I don't remember when he changed the name though,

896
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: but yeah. So the point is that Joe Brady has

897
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: been willing to use DJ Moore as like a guy

898
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 1: getting like legitimate number one target share in the past.

899
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: Those is, you know, five years ago, but worth bringing

900
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: up there. So I like DJ Moore quite a bit.

901
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna loove together two rookie receivers here that are

902
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 1: both on our list, Jordan Tyson and mackay Lemon. Tyson

903
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 1: is wide receiver thirty five. His best ranking is wide

904
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: receiver twenty nine. His worst is wide receiver forty six.

905
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: McKay Lemon is wide receiver thirty nine overall. His best

906
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: is also wide receiver twenty nine. His worst is even lower,

907
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: at wide receiver fifty two. I know, Jake that you

908
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: have been kind of the pro Lemon guy. Do you

909
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: have him higher than Jordan Tyson? Again, we're talking redraft here,

910
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: not dynasty, but you have Lemon higher than Tyson? Or

911
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: do you think it's correct that Tyson is a few

912
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: spots better.

913
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: No, I do have him higher, but I go Lemon,

914
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 2: Tate Tyson legit back to back to back. They're one, two, three.

915
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 2: If you want to argue for any of the three,

916
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say my.

917
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 3: Big spiel and hate campaign.

918
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: And everything like that that people have seen the videos

919
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 2: of the shows I've already been on on here is

920
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: not so much the fact that Lemon definitively needs to

921
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: be in front of the other two. Like I said,

922
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 2: I have him back back to back. They're in the

923
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 2: same tier. If you want to argue for the others,

924
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 2: I'm cool with it. The biggest argument has been people

925
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 2: burying Lemon because they hate Jalen Hurts so much. Jalen

926
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 2: Hurts does not throw over the middle at a high rate.

927
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts actually throws over the middle at one of

928
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 2: the best efficiencies touchdown rates. All Like, I don't want

929
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 2: to go through all the metrics again, I've already done it.

930
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 2: The point being, and you also to talk about what

931
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 2: you do is a GM who.

932
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 3: Hates giving up picks. We're talking about.

933
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 2: Howie Roseman, who actually like is one of the best

934
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: drafters of the past decade, question mark, you don't send

935
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: two fourth rounders to move up three spots to a

936
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 2: division rival to take Lemon and be like he doesn't

937
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 2: fit our offense, get out of here, like they're gonna

938
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 2: change things. So anyway, I go Lemon, Tate Tyson. The

939
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 2: biggest obvious difference is I have Lemon way ahead of most.

940
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 2: I know there's some people like actually not even the

941
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 2: highest on Lemon. Surprisingly enough, I'm very close to it,

942
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 2: but I'm not. Tate is a few spots behind. Consensus's

943
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: actually right online. He's at thirty five. So again, if

944
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: you want to argue for all of them, and I'm

945
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 2: interested to see who Andrew likes the most out of

946
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 2: the three, because I can see a case for all three.

947
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 2: The biggest that the Lemon thing had more to do

948
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 2: with the hate for Lemon and Hurts than it did

949
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 2: the three rookies in their own right.

950
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: So if I'm asking drafter pass, it sounds like you

951
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: would draft both. You just like Lemon better. He's the

952
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: guy that's seeing I.

953
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 2: Know we're not even We're not even bringing Tate in

954
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 2: this conversation. If it's like draft or pass, Lemon's my

955
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 2: favorite at value. Tate's my least favorite at value, and

956
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 2: I would take Tyson because he's right at value for me.

957
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tate's up at wide receiver thirty for what it's

958
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: worth a little bit less of a wide range. It's

959
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: why I didn't include him in the conversation with these

960
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 1: other two, but a few spots ahead in the rankings

961
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: ericson where are you at on Tyson versus Lemon? And

962
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: kind of drafting or passing on both these guys.

963
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 5: I like them both at their respective costs.

964
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 4: So I have Tyson ranked a little bit ahead, but

965
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 4: I'm ahead of ECR I think on all three guys

966
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 4: because I think that coming at a pretty good value,

967
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 4: Tate is viewed as the highest rank guy because he's

968
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 4: dropped in as the viewed number one. And we see

969
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 4: this all the time with these talented rookie receivers that

970
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 4: come in that well, they're not the number one on

971
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 4: their team, and then it doesn't matter because they're good

972
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 4: number one and number two. We see offenses all the

973
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 4: time support more than one fantasy asset. So that's the

974
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 4: only thing for Lemon to me, that how.

975
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 5: Will he do in his rookie year? Where We've seen this.

976
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 4: Before, when a rookie receiver that is talented gets dropped

977
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,919
Speaker 4: in an offense that there are two other established pass

978
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 4: catchers that are ahead of him. Now, Dallas Goddard is

979
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 4: kind of the wild card in that scenario. Where is

980
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 4: Dallas gart so good that he would see more targets

981
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 4: than makaile Lemon. I don't know if I buy into that.

982
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 4: I do think Devonte Smith is ready to take that

983
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 4: step to be the number one receiver on the Philadelphia

984
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 4: Eagles more so than not really more so than Chris Alave.

985
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 4: But I think with Tyson, I like him more as

986
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 4: a top ten pick. You just look at the average

987
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 4: production of receivers that were drafted in the top ten

988
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 4: last five drafts averages seventy eight catches, over one thousand yards,

989
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 4: six point four touchdowns as rookies. So that's fantasy wide

990
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 4: receiver too production out of the oven just from being

991
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 4: a top ten overall pick. And why like Tyson Because

992
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 4: he's viewed as the number two on his team behind

993
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 4: Chris Olave. That just naturally suppresses his price. Where if Tyson,

994
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 4: if krysl Love was out of the equation, Tyson would

995
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 4: probably be what wide receiver twenty or deceiver twenty one.

996
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 4: He would be way up there because, oh, he's gonna

997
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 4: get all the volume when you look at how much

998
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 4: the Saints offense could throw in twenty twenty five referencing

999
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 4: or excuse me two twenty six referencing Mike Clay's projections.

1000
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 4: He has Jordan Tyson, I believe at wide receiver thirty

1001
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 4: seven and his projections, and I'm just using that as

1002
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 4: a way to capture if the Saints' offense is pass heavy,

1003
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 4: they're running up tempo, it's pretty easy for him to

1004
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 4: crack the top forty. So when I see his ECR

1005
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 4: right around wide receiver thirty five, I think that's pretty accurate.

1006
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 5: It'spot on.

1007
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if he'd be his high it's like

1008
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: wide soever twenty without a lave, because that's essentially Cardell

1009
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: Tate is in a situation where it's like there's no

1010
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 1: real competition and he's a wide receiver thirty Wendel Robinson.

1011
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 2: But Brian Brian Dable didn't essentially for all intensive purposes,

1012
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 2: bring him with him to not.

1013
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: Yet like he's but he's not on the level of

1014
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: like in Alava. He's not like no, dominant number one.

1015
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 3: No, But I think that's where I come.

1016
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 2: Like my pushback for Andrew would be on the Lemon

1017
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 2: situation is I think we're all assuming AJ Brown's gone.

1018
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 2: He's probably sitting with his bags packed right next to

1019
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 2: him as we're doing this log.

1020
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 4: He's he's checking, just just waiting for that, just waiting

1021
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 4: to go, waiting for the rental car.

1022
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 3: He probably already trying to shop the house.

1023
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 2: He probably already has a house that's already ready to

1024
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: go up in New England.

1025
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: He's you're saying, he's at the Hurts checkout. He's already

1026
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: checked out of playing with her.

1027
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 2: So I'll tell you, oh, there you go.

1028
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, nicely done on that one.

1029
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 2: But what I was gonna say is like, if you

1030
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: look at DeVante Smith and AJ Brown's target over targets

1031
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 2: over seventeen game paces the past three years, AJ Brown

1032
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 2: is essentially right around one hundred and thirty eight and

1033
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 2: Devonte Smith is around one seventeen. So even if DeVante

1034
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: Smith takes that one for AJ Brown and Lemon just

1035
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 2: walks into the one seventeen, that's where my excitement is.

1036
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 2: And I think that one seventeen could be at best

1037
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 2: or at worst the same as Tate being the one

1038
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: like with Kim Ward, Like maybe I'm crazy and w'

1039
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 2: wrong on that one, and Ward somehow gets one hundred

1040
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 2: and thirty targets to Tate, then I would clearly take

1041
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 2: Tate number one. I just think Wondel is going to

1042
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 2: take enough. And I do agree with Andrew that Tyson

1043
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,439
Speaker 2: is coming in as the two to Chris o'lave, which

1044
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 2: should have similar target shares. So where I come down

1045
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 2: to that, which has been my entire argument at the time,

1046
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 2: is that if they're both a brown one hundred and

1047
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 2: fifteen to one hundred and twenty targets, Tyson talent over Lemon. Yeah,

1048
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 2: they were on the same tier for me, but I

1049
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: would take Tyson the talent over Lemon. But I'm taking

1050
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: Hurts Overshook every single time. Granted, I think a lot

1051
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 2: of people are just excited and projecting a lot out

1052
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 2: for Shuck because they's surprised us so much. But and

1053
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 2: I hope he's good, and I hope he carries over

1054
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 2: into next season, but we're taking a career of Hurts

1055
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: over essentially a half season a Shook.

1056
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: I think, just to put a bow on this like,

1057
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: as a general rule, I'm kind of very willing to

1058
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: go down with the ship of just blindly saying if

1059
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: a guy is taken with a top twenty pick in

1060
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: the draft and his ECR is in the thirties, like

1061
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: as a rookie at receiver, I'm just very willing to

1062
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: make that bet, like across the board. As a general rule,

1063
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: I feel like it pays out more often than it

1064
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: doesn't when the price is a little bit suppressed like

1065
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: that relative to the draft.

1066
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 3: Well, and that's a good way to put it real quick.

1067
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 3: Sorry that you put in the bow on it.

1068
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 2: I do want to add to that is that Marvin

1069
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 2: Harrison was a disappointment as a fringe wide receiver two

1070
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: or three where he was draft and expected, but he

1071
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 2: was still like in this range of the cost. Like

1072
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 2: if this was the cost of Marvin Harrison, everybody would

1073
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 2: have been so upset about him for his rookie season.

1074
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1075
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like the last couple of years too,

1076
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: I've been like, this is the cheapest Milk Neighbors will

1077
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: ever be, this is the cheapest Ted Robilan will ever be.

1078
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: And these guys maybe on that level so much of prospects,

1079
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: but like again, when you have this kind of draft

1080
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: capital and a ranked where you are, I think that's

1081
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: really enticing for all three of them. Let's quickly hit

1082
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: one more receiver here, Parker Washington. We talked a little

1083
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: bit about Brian Thomas Junior on a different episode that

1084
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: we taped earlier today short form. Hope everybody checks that

1085
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 1: out on YouTube. But Parker Washington does have a pretty

1086
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 1: wide range here. He's wide receiver forty one. His highest

1087
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: is wide receiver thirty one. His lowest is wide receiver

1088
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 1: fifty two. Ericson what do you think about Washington?

1089
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 4: I think he's a player that I need to move

1090
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 4: up my rankings after we talked about him a little

1091
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 4: bit on the Brian Thomas Show. Wide receivers that are

1092
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 4: going to be bused in twenty twenty six.

1093
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 5: Go check it out.

1094
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 4: Washington and the projections that Mike Clay did wide receiver

1095
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 4: thirty one. That's really strong and that's matching his best

1096
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 4: here and Mike Clay with projections. I know Jake knows this,

1097
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 4: but projections are just trying to capture a median outcome,

1098
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 4: not all. This is his high range of outcomes when

1099
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 4: he's doing projections. Just Okay, this is what he did

1100
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 4: last year. This is how offense is going to throw

1101
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 4: this much. Trevor Lawrence has many pass attempts, Parker Washington

1102
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 4: spits out wide receiver thirty one For that to match

1103
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 4: his best.

1104
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 5: That's really eye.

1105
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 4: Opening to me that his best is a median range

1106
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 4: outcome for Parker Washington. When you look at the game

1107
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 4: logs the last four games, over eighty seven receiving yards.

1108
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 4: This dude was absolutely cooking, and so much of it

1109
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 4: has to do with his chemistry with Trevor Lawrence and

1110
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 4: even going back to twenty twenty four, who filled an

1111
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 4: admirably when Christian Kirk got hurt yet again.

1112
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 5: Parker Washington.

1113
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 4: So I think he's a player that I definitely need

1114
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 4: to move up. And I guess I'm still torn on

1115
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 4: him versus Jacoby Myers because I like Jacoby too. I

1116
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 4: think he's always been a underrated wide receiver. But maybe

1117
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 4: the fact that Washington does play a little bit more

1118
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 4: in the slot where Liam Cohen has just schemed up

1119
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,479
Speaker 4: a lot of his touches to for wide receivers Treviors Hunter,

1120
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 4: if he's playing more or focusing more on corner, not

1121
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 4: as much of a wide receiver. Does that allow more

1122
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 4: targets for Parker Washington? I think so potentially. So he's

1123
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 4: someone that I think is going pretty late and I'm

1124
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 4: still a young player, not someone that is twenty nine

1125
00:49:58,520 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 4: thirty years old that's kind of popped out of no.

1126
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 4: So someone to be excited about, some interesting to hear

1127
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 4: what else Jake has to say about him as well.

1128
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, go check out the short form one when we

1129
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 2: went a little bit more in depth for Brian Thomas.

1130
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 2: But I went and I checked ahead of time to

1131
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 2: see where people ranked in comparison to me. Debro is

1132
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 2: ahead of me, Dalton dell Don's ahead of me. Are

1133
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 2: my cohort over at the athletic function is just behind me?

1134
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 2: And there's only one person that has lockstet with me

1135
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 2: at wide receiver thirty eight is mister Joe Pizabia.

1136
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, there you go.

1137
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 2: I think I have the highest of the three Jaguars

1138
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 2: wide receivers, as I mentioned on that other show, and

1139
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 2: it really comes down to everything Andrew said. He echoed

1140
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,479
Speaker 2: a lot of what I said on that other show,

1141
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 2: including the fact that he's not like some breakout in

1142
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: his age twenty nine season that just kind of was

1143
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 2: a Fluke situation. He just fits what Cohen and Lawrence does.

1144
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 2: And one of my big takeaways from that show, if

1145
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 2: you don't want to watch it, is Lawrence is a

1146
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 2: very quick first read type of get the ball out.

1147
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 2: He doesn't sit in the pocket and wait too long

1148
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: when he's been comfortable. And he has finally been comfortable,

1149
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 2: and that was part of his breakout last year, making

1150
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 2: his first second reads. And it's gone and he has

1151
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 2: no time to find Brian Thomas twenty hours downfield, just

1152
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 2: because he's not even looking there, because he's already completed

1153
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: a pass to Parker Washington or Jacoby Meyers. So that's

1154
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 2: why I have him the highest of all the three.

1155
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: And that actually, as Andrew brought up, makes me feel

1156
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 2: even better about him. That Clay's I haven't finished my

1157
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 2: projections yet, but that Clay hasn't At wide receiver thirty one,

1158
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 2: that's that's encouraging.

1159
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, those three guys are all within four spots amongst

1160
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: receivers Brian Thomas at thirty eight, Myers at forty, Parker

1161
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: Washington at forty one. Jake has that reverse to the

1162
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 1: Washington at the top of his rankings. Let's do one

1163
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: tight end here Aroana Gadston. I wanted to talk about him.

1164
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: We weren't totally sure which tight end we were going

1165
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: to include here. He does have a pretty wide range.

1166
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: He's tight end ten, his best is tight ened eight,

1167
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: his worst is tight end twenty. But he's also kind

1168
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: of a discussion point this week because of the David

1169
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: and Joku audition for the Chargers. So Jake, I'll start

1170
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: with you on this one. How do you see that

1171
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: in Joku edition affecting where you're going to be ranking

1172
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: Gadsden and where are you ranking him for the season?

1173
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: So that updated. By the way, I am not the

1174
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 2: lowest ranker, but I'm close to it. The lowest ranker

1175
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 2: is right there if you want to talk to him

1176
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 2: and ask for how far he moved him down, because

1177
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 2: I thought I was going to be the low man

1178
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 2: at twenty four, and Andrews got him even behind that.

1179
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 2: I have names in front of him like a conkue

1180
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 2: with Washington, Sadik the rookie, and even his new teammate

1181
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 2: in Djoku, And that's really what it comes down to.

1182
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 2: I know this ranking is a lot of people haven't

1183
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 2: updated yet, but if you look at this situation when

1184
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 2: we go back to Herbert, you know, I talk about

1185
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 2: this entire team, there's a lot of two tight end

1186
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 2: sets possibly coming around the NFL. Let alone, what this

1187
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 2: team now makeup is looking like it's going to do.

1188
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 2: And it was going to be hard for us to

1189
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 2: count on who was going to be.

1190
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 3: The number two.

1191
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 2: The excitement for Gadsden was that he could be the

1192
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 2: number two to McConkie, ahead of Quentin Johnson, head of

1193
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 2: Trey Harris, and ahead to all the rest, like it

1194
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 2: could be a situation of like Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelcey.

1195
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 2: That is so far not the case. Like they were

1196
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 2: still hope with Coller Kohler coming in and that you know,

1197
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 2: he's just basically a blocking tight end. But you add

1198
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 2: Djoku too, who is kind of like all around and

1199
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 2: still pretty good in the bassing game. I don't see

1200
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 2: how Gaston's even on our radar at this point, and

1201
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 2: it's a big testament to like I said, I'll have

1202
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 2: a lot of McConkie as a bounce back, especially in

1203
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 2: this offense under Mike McDaniel. But that's probably going to

1204
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 2: be the end of it. It's going to be mconkie,

1205
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 2: maybe some Herbert at the value is there some of

1206
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 2: the backfield with Hampton everything, but is going to be,

1207
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 2: in my opinion, a cluster of grossness of everybody else.

1208
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: E ericson what do you think I mean from what

1209
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: Jake just said, Obviously he's kind of spoiling that. You're

1210
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: quite low.

1211
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 4: There are just so many other tight ends that the

1212
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 4: path to fantasy relevance seems so much clearer than Gatsdon. Right,

1213
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 4: how many things does he need to necessarily hit? And

1214
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 4: we're at a point too with some of these late

1215
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 4: round tight ends where all you do is care about ceiling. Right,

1216
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 4: we come out Week one, he's running eighty percent of

1217
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,240
Speaker 4: the routes. That's all he's doing. He's in this hybrid

1218
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 4: slot role. Okay, you can kind of change your perspective

1219
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 4: because I do think Jake, I wanted to get your.

1220
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 5: Thoughts on this. Do you think he's going to run

1221
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 5: more else than David and Joku?

1222
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 3: Not? Not at this point, that's right.

1223
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:04,439
Speaker 5: You don't.

1224
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 4: You don't think that, And it's just because he's playing

1225
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 4: less snaps.

1226
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 2: I don't even know if Yeah, I don't even know

1227
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 2: if he's on the field as much as Cohler at

1228
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 2: this point, like, this.

1229
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 5: Is a coler blocking.

1230
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I know, but not on the field, so

1231
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 2: he's not going to be on the field, so he

1232
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 2: can't run routes.

1233
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 3: That's really what it comes down to.

1234
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 2: It comes back to the age old argument that always

1235
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 2: bring up with the example of Braton oj Howard with

1236
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 2: the Bucks, is like we always wanted more and more

1237
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 2: for either of them, but oj Howard was such a

1238
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:30,439
Speaker 2: good blocker that he would to come off the field,

1239
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 2: but he also wouldn't run the routes because he was blocking.

1240
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 2: But that still hurts the snaps of both of them.

1241
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 2: So I actually think at this point the makeup of

1242
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 2: this team looks like maybe we get some three tight

1243
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 2: end sets at them, because there I referenced it with Herbert,

1244
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 2: they were dead last and using two tight.

1245
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 3: Ends last year, let alone three.

1246
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 2: Maybe we do see some three and they copy the rams.

1247
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 2: But or whatever it might be, I think Gason as

1248
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 2: of right now, you don't make that in Djoku's signing

1249
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 2: if you really thought that Gason was ready to be which.

1250
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:55,439
Speaker 3: We all did.

1251
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 2: Admittedly I thought there was a ceiling for Gason here

1252
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 2: and I still do, but in Joku would have to

1253
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 2: get hurt at this point, which.

1254
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 4: That is possible cause he got hurt last year and

1255
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 4: we saw Harold Fannin basically take his job.

1256
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 5: So that's another thing too.

1257
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 4: You've got a conservating joke with like how much does

1258
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 4: he have left in the Again, he's not old by

1259
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 4: tight end standards.

1260
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 5: He's going to turn thirty this year.

1261
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 4: And he's a player that I think, for the most part,

1262
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 4: has been a pretty efficient player throughout his career, really

1263
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 4: good out guards after the catch obviously didn't work out

1264
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 4: finally with Cleveland, but it's with both these guys that

1265
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 4: they're both healthy. You can't really touch either. Go back

1266
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 4: to your first argument that there are so many That

1267
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 4: was a really good point.

1268
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 3: Where's the path?

1269
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 2: And you know, like you say, for a concu you

1270
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 2: can say, well, the path is Antonio Williams is a

1271
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 2: disappointment as a rookie, and he's forced to be the

1272
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 2: two after Terry McLaurin Siddiq comes into his is actually

1273
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 2: the two even in the fact that they have another

1274
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 2: rookie next to Garrett Wilson. So I think, like you

1275
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 2: all look at the fact there are another wide receiver

1276
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 2: next to Wilson, like you look at all these situations,

1277
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 2: and like Hockinson, maybe maybe their shift in offense goes

1278
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,439
Speaker 2: to what Kyler Murray does well, and all of a sudden,

1279
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 2: Addison falls to the three and Hawkinson back in play

1280
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 2: getting one hundred and ten targets. I'm not saying that

1281
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 2: one of those things are definitively gonna happen, but I

1282
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 2: just don't want to gloss over.

1283
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 3: What I thought you made was a really good point.

1284
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 2: Is we need to create the narrative with these flyers.

1285
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 2: What's the path that gets him to being a tight

1286
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 2: end one? And I think at this point I can't

1287
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 2: see a path for Gazin.

1288
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 4: He is definitely behind my favorite fight run tight end,

1289
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 4: Greg Dulcic.

1290
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: So you do love dulphe Afie. I've already here.

1291
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Speaker 2: So there's a path for him to be two or

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Speaker 2: three exactly the path.

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Speaker 1: It's so easy, all right? Those were our polarizing players

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Speaker 1: we are either drafting or passing on. Let's wrap up

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Speaker 1: with some mail bag questions. We opened it up on

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Speaker 1: Twitter slash x, so thanks everybody for sending in your

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Speaker 1: questions here. We got a handful of them for us.

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Speaker 1: Let's actually start with one on a player we kind

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Speaker 1: of talked about a little bit already a contending roster,

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Speaker 1: does this person keep R. J. Harvey as there AREB

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Speaker 1: four or five or should they sell Harvey for some

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00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: draft capital? Obviously talking about any dynasty league. So if

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00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,760
Speaker 1: you're a contending roster ericson, would you keep RJ. Harvey

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00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: as your RB four or five or just try and

1305
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:03,439
Speaker 1: sell him for what you can?

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00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 5: I think I would keep him.

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00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 4: I think that having good running back depth is solid,

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00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 4: and Harvey in a pinch, he's gonna catch passes, so

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00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 4: I don't think he's ever going to totally zerout or

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00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 4: dot out in the lineup if you need running back production,

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Speaker 4: especially as an RB four or five, So I think

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Speaker 4: I probably just keep him, especially because I don't think

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00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 4: his stock right now is oh I want to get

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Speaker 4: or Jie Harvey on my fantasy team. I think it's

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Speaker 4: pretty low. So I think you are selling for pennies

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Speaker 4: on the dollar.

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Speaker 1: How do you feel, Jacob?

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Speaker 2: I would agree that now it's not the best time.

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00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 2: Unless there's somebody out there who's willing to give you,

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00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,479
Speaker 2: like a mid first next year, then I would because

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00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 2: I'm always looking to especially if I have depth. I'm

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00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 2: always looking at trade running backs, and I even mean

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00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 2: young ones because we've seen recently, just the past couple

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00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 2: of years, like how things can change. I mean, I

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00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 2: know he's not super young, but just look at Algier.

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00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 2: Algier went like this, he was like, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: back up. Oh my god, he's gonna be lead. Oh

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00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 2: my god, he's back up again. Like running backs change

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00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 2: so much, so frequently in fantasy that if I can

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Speaker 2: get value, I will always do it. But I agree

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Speaker 2: with ericson is I don't think you're gonna get in

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00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 2: mid first, so I wouldn't right now unless you do

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Speaker 2: get that value or yes or as de bro.

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00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Another dynasty question from the same person, which is

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00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: at retired swim guy. By the way, where do Tyson

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00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: and Lemon rank versus the incoming twenty twenty seven receivers. Obviously,

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00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: anybody who asked about is going to rank lower than

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00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Smith. For just about anybody you ask Cam Coleman

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00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: is ranked very highly as well in terms of next

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Speaker 1: year's class. Beyond that, I think it gets a lot

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00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: more interesting, of like kind of this year's first round

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00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: is compared to next. So Jeremiah Smith think and I

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00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: think probably Cam Coleman definitely higher than Tyson Lemon, But

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00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: what about kind of the rest of the class where

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00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: where these guys fit in?

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Speaker 2: For you, Jake, I would actually just say only Smith

1347
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 2: at this point, because like Coleman as of right now

1348
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 2: doesn't look like there's a question that he won't be

1349
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 2: the number two. But we've seen things change, and what

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00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 2: if Coleman goes the route of case and Conception and

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00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,040
Speaker 2: a team, we're just like, oh my god, he's like

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00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 2: a third, you know, not even something like that.

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00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 3: A Doonsay just did it.

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00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 2: Jackson Smith and Jigba took two or three years like

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00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 2: just to get their peak value is and we haven't

1356
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 2: even seen it from a Donsay and all Luther Burden

1357
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 2: just last year, like all these wide receivers going into

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00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 2: the situations where there's a three and we have to

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00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 2: wait a year. And that's the only reason I bringing

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Speaker 2: up because let's just say he ends up a team

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Speaker 2: where he's the three, and yeah, he's a top fifteen

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Speaker 2: wide receiver in twenty twenty eight, but now you're giving.

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Speaker 3: Up two years of potential production for that, and.

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Speaker 2: I know the value at that point would be higher.

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Speaker 2: But that's why I would say the only one would

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Speaker 2: be Smith because I think no matter what team he's on,

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Speaker 2: he's going to be exceptional.

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Speaker 3: I would take all.

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Speaker 2: Three rookies, and then I would start talking about Coleman

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Speaker 2: and the rest.

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Speaker 1: Eric Ston, I don't know how much you are looking ahead.

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Speaker 1: Obviously you do a lot of dynasty stuff, but I

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00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: think you're more year to year. So do you have

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Speaker 1: a lot of insight on the twenty twenty seven class?

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Speaker 6: Yet?

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Speaker 5: I know that the Alabama wide receiver changed his last name.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ryan will Ryan, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 5: I just added that's about the extent.

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01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 4: That's not the extent that I know this class outside

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Speaker 4: of Jeremi Smith.

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Speaker 5: So I mean that's a good eagree with you?

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01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 2: Well, you know enough to say, like that's just a

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01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 2: good example just late last year, so not this past year.

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Speaker 2: Is in twenty twenty five, twenty twenty four, like Ryan

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Speaker 2: Williams was conversation.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so like that's my challenging Smith.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, So he changed his name and I'm like, wait,

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01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 4: I thought this was Ryan Williams, So what is his real.

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01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: I believe it's Ryan Coleman Williams.

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Speaker 3: That could be with a hyphen.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, wait, wait, so you guys were talking

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Speaker 4: Wait were we talking about the camp?

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01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 5: We guys talking about camp?

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01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 4: Oh?

1395
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: Cam Coleman and Ryan Coleman Williams are two different people.

1396
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: But yes, that is the same oh.

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Speaker 3: Oh we were talking about.

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Speaker 2: I thought you meant the same guy as you. Yes,

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Speaker 2: and no, we weren't talking about the same wide receiver.

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Speaker 4: Guys, I have not been saying I can't talk twenty

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01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 4: twenty seven wide receive the short answer.

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01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 1: The short answer is these guys are not even close

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01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: to Jeremia Smith because Jeremia Smith, like whatever receiver you

1404
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: want to throw out there, Jamar Chase, Julio Jones, Calvia Johnson.

1405
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: These are the names that we were talking about. Jeremia Smith,

1406
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: which junior is coming out this year?

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01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 5: Someone's kids coming out?

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01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 4: Is no way?

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01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 5: Larry Fitzgerald's kid. Is he coming to that?

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01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: I actually don't know off the top of my head, Baby,

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01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: I don't know.

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01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 5: Is he any Notre dame? All right, An, let's go.

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01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 1: To let's go to the next question. We're losing ourselves here, Jake.

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01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 2: It's like when you're so when you're so tired, everything

1415
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 2: just they're just gonna cut this after him post.

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01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: Jake actually just mentioned a Duneesday. We have a question

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01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: on him from Tim at what point are we removing

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01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: the blinders on roma? Duneesday got offered Kyen Williams and

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01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: Josh Downs for him in Dynasty super Flex full PPR

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01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 1: ericson what do you.

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01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 3: Think about that? What does to remove the blinders mean?

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01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: Not one hundred percent sure what direction they're going with that,

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01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 1: but what do you think about the trade itself a

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01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: dude day and this is Dynasty Super Flex oldpr a

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01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: dude day for Kien Williams and Josh Downs.

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01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 5: So I think he means by blinders removed the.

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01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: Fact that he was a top just thinking like yeah,

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01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: kind of overrating his production.

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01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 4: Which I mean, you look at his production before he

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01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 4: got hurt last year, it's pretty good.

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01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 1: I think he's closer to that than he as to

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01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: how he finish. I am really interested in buying a

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Speaker 1: Dunza in every Dynasty league I can this year.

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Speaker 4: I mean, when you just look at the Bears offense,

1435
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 4: he's clearly the best value and it's not even like close,

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01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 4: just even if there are so many vacated targets in

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01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 4: that offense from Zakis from DJ Moore leaving that even

1438
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 4: Burden and Colson love and like taking a leap or

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01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 4: having significant roles, Odunza is still going to be a

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Speaker 4: big part of that offense.

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01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: Let's just year two under Ben Johnson. I think the

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01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: offense there will be more scoring opportunities. I think it'll

1443
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: take a step forward, like Kayleb Williams, and that will

1444
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 1: help well being.

1445
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 4: That being said, Kyron is a good asset to have

1446
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 4: running back. He's gonna get your production top fifteen most likely.

1447
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 4: And I love Josh Downs. I love buying Josh Downs

1448
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 4: a dynasty, So I think this is a pretty fair trade.

1449
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 4: And if I really needed running backs I think I

1450
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 4: would just take Kyroen and add Josh Downs as a

1451
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 4: wide receiver piece.

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01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 2: I actually think it's a little unbalanced, Like that's the thing,

1453
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 2: Like it's so it's not mutually exclusive to me. And

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01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 2: the fact that, like I think a Donsay is being

1455
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 2: undervalued because people forgot how good he was and then

1456
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 2: the injury at the end of the season. I mean,

1457
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 2: the good wasn't one hundred percent healthy, and there's a

1458
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 2: lot of factors going into that team as well.

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01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 3: So I like a Dunsay a lot I want to

1460
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 3: be shocked. I'm surprised, but I want to be shocked.

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01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 2: If Donsay and Burden are both top twenty wide receivers

1462
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 2: this year, I'd bean a little because Coulson Levelin would

1463
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 2: have to take a seat as the third. And I

1464
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 2: think that's the biggest factor we're talking about here. But

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01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 2: when it comes to the Donsday, if you're getting Kyroen

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Speaker 2: and Downs, I'm taking that ten times out of ten

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01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 2: because I think that's I think Donsays undervalued, but that's

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01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,439
Speaker 2: a hell of value for Doomsday. Like that, I feel

1469
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 2: like to balance that, I feel like you need a

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01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 2: late second with a Donsay just to balance that in general,

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Speaker 2: And I'm with you, like Downs is walking in as

1472
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 2: the number two. But I think I think the problem is,

1473
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 2: like take the blinders off on Kiren. Why does everybody

1474
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 2: want to hate Kyroen? Year after year after year after year?

1475
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 2: People want to hate Kyroen. So I think du Donsay

1476
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 2: side actually needs a little bit more to make that

1477
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 2: a balance trade.

1478
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 3: So if he's getting the do take it.

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Speaker 1: Two more questions here, one dynasty, one redraft the dynasty question.

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Speaker 1: How should leagues hand the Brendan Sorosby situation for those

1481
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: who haven't been paying attention, quarterback who was going to

1482
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 1: be a next year's class but is going through some

1483
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: legal stuff with he checked himself into a gambling addiction

1484
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: rehab and might you know kind of bring back the

1485
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 1: supplemental draft, which we haven't had in a couple of

1486
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 1: years for the NFL. So if he does go into

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01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 1: the supplemental draft, how are you guys handling that in

1488
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: dynasty leagues? My quick answer would be like, I think

1489
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 1: you could do whatever you want as long as the

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01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 1: league agrees to it. You could have your own supplemental draft,

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01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 1: Like people can actually bid on what picks are willing

1492
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: to give up next year for him. I think if

1493
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 1: you have a waiver system that your waivers are already

1494
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 1: live now for the regular season, you can just put

1495
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 1: them on waivers and let people use their fab on them.

1496
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: I think you could wait until a week one and say, hey,

1497
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 1: use your in season fab on him to do this.

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01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 1: The one thing I wouldn't do is use off season

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01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 1: fab because there's not really that much incentive to keep

1500
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 1: your off season fab, and I think everybody would just

1501
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 1: bid all of it. But I think any other kind

1502
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 1: of scenario. I think, I think you have flexibility as

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01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 1: a league commissioner and as a league and just kind

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Speaker 1: of vote see what everybody feels like. You guys have

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Speaker 1: any thoughts on on the situation, ericson Jake, either of you.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it's just going to be like

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Speaker 4: as simple as he just doesn't play college football and

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Speaker 4: just enters the supplemental draft and faces no punishment from

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Speaker 4: the NFL, or I just don't think it's just as like, oh,

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Speaker 4: copy and paste. He's good to go and he's going

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Speaker 4: to go to a team for a twenty twenty seven

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Speaker 4: third round pick. He could end up on an NFL team,

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Speaker 4: but I think there's more hurdles for him to have

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Speaker 4: to overcome, So I think that there's going to be

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Speaker 4: more information to follow with however the path kind of

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Speaker 4: plays out. But I agree with you where I'm where

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Speaker 4: open up to a vote with a couple of the

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Speaker 4: options that you just listed out.

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Speaker 5: You have this auction.

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Speaker 4: I like the idea of kind of doing your own

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Speaker 4: supplemental draft for fun. Again, throw some other veterans in,

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Speaker 4: give it. I mean, what's so wrong with having another

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Speaker 4: draft in your dynasty league. We're sitting around making trades

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Speaker 4: like let's do more drafts, Like why not?

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Speaker 5: So maybe that could be a fun way to spend it.

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Speaker 2: Jake any thoughts, So I'm gonna make my comparison would

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Speaker 2: be redrafts from last year, the Juggins situation. So if

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Speaker 2: you're in the middle of a draft and that Jugkins

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Speaker 2: news dropped, I saw it as that Judkins should be

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Speaker 2: thrown to waivers. He shouldn't be part of the draft

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01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 2: because nobody would be sitting there, like you just threw

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Speaker 2: off the value of so many things. And as it

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Speaker 2: wasn't just Judkins, it was Judkins and the backfield, like

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of picks and then whoever sitting on

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Speaker 2: the clock when that Juggins news came out, This isn't

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Speaker 2: normal off season news when I bring up Judkins because

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Speaker 2: it's I think it's a similar parallel. So I would say,

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Speaker 2: if you're in the middle of the draft when it

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Speaker 2: happens to have happened, I would say, he's not part

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Speaker 2: of the draft, And then I agree with you, guys,

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Speaker 2: is kind of get a consensus of the league. My

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Speaker 2: recommendation would be that like kind of like either put

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Speaker 2: him into a supplemental draft, where like now everybody's made

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Speaker 2: their cuts because it's Dynasty, so people are gonna have

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Speaker 2: to make cuts, maybe have one round of a supplemental

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01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 2: and use FAB. So it's not just whoever just number

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01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 2: one just takes them on something like that. But FAB

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Speaker 2: to what you said, Worm, I would say, it's the

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Speaker 2: fab that you're gonna have to spend in the season too.

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Speaker 2: So if somebody wants to blow one hundred percent of

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Speaker 2: the budget, they don't have moves for the rest.

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Speaker 1: Of the year.

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Speaker 2: That type of situation, I think that's the fairest if

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Speaker 2: it was my choice, But again it really comes down

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Speaker 2: to what does your league think.

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Speaker 3: Get an agreement from your league?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is it, and he's not the type of

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Speaker 1: prospect that I don't think it should cause too much infighting.

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Speaker 1: Like in super Flex, obviously you want to take swings

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Speaker 1: web all right, last one quickly here?

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Speaker 4: Or well I actually weren't, I got one, I just

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Speaker 4: want one other thing. It just popped in my head,

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Speaker 4: or what you can do as well, instead of using

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Speaker 4: bidding dollars, you use player values from the Fantasy pros

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Speaker 4: Trade value chart. So whoever gives up the player with

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Speaker 4: the most value for Soresby and then that player goes

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Speaker 4: into waivers, so you basically get who how bad do

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Speaker 4: you want this player where you're giving up an actual

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Speaker 4: asset that's in the NFL right now.

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Speaker 5: I think that would be.

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Speaker 1: Like I like creative stuff like that. That's fun. Last

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Speaker 1: one here at a redraft question. This person with the

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Speaker 1: seventh pick in a twelve man league to standard half

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Speaker 1: PPR redraft league. If Christian McCaffrey's pick one and Saquon

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Speaker 1: Barclays is their second pick, so like their first rounder

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Speaker 1: and the second rounder. Who are you targeting the third round?

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Speaker 1: So again to pair with CMC and Barkley, T Higgins, Breese, Haall,

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Speaker 1: Ted McMillan, Tucker Craft or Jeremiah Love. So again, you're

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Speaker 1: pairing this person with McCaffrey and Saquon, Who would you

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Speaker 1: be targeting in round three? T Higgins, Breese, Hall, Tetoro McMillan,

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Speaker 1: Tucker Craft or Jeremiah Love Jake Any thoughts?

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Speaker 3: One is I hate these questions.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry the person because you No, no, no, Because

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Speaker 2: number one, because you're trying to not only predict out

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Speaker 2: your first two picks, you're trying to predict that the

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Speaker 2: first three. You never ever know how the draft is

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Speaker 2: gonna fall. That being said, I'll still answer it, like,

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Speaker 2: I mean, make that clear. Is as much as that's

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Speaker 2: a screaming value for Jeremiah Love, that's a tough decision

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Speaker 2: that you're gonna have to make at that point, because

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Speaker 2: if you take Love for Michael McMillan would be my

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Speaker 2: pick as the best balance for my team because I

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Speaker 2: want to want I need a wide receiver and there's

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Speaker 2: a chance that McMillan turns into a wide receiver one

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Speaker 2: this year. But Love at that point should not be

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Speaker 2: sitting there, and I don't think you will be. But

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Speaker 2: the problem is if you do take Love, you've just

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Speaker 2: tied up your flex So like if a running and

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Speaker 2: this is my point about predicting drafts, a running back

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Speaker 2: value of amazing running back value falls into like round six,

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Speaker 2: there's nothing you can do about at that point. Like,

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01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 2: now you're really really screwed if you try to make

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Speaker 2: that pick because of what you're doing at your other positions.

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Speaker 2: So McMillan for vacuum, it would actually be Love, but

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Speaker 2: McMillan makes the most sense for that team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Eric, sim what do you think.

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Speaker 4: Well, you could spin it this way, where you take

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Speaker 4: the running back, whether it be Love, I Breese Hall

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Speaker 4: over Love, so I would take Breesze Hall. You have

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Speaker 4: three running backs, then you trade McCaffrey for the best

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Speaker 4: wide recy we can get back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, then people know you need to trade and I

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Speaker 2: hate that too.

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Speaker 1: It depends in the league. Some leagues are so willing

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Speaker 1: to trade and others are like it's it's like, you know,

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01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 1: pulling teeth to get anybody to agree to a trade,

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Speaker 1: especially if they if.

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Speaker 2: You have smart managers and they see you do that,

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01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 2: they know they just be like holding you up.

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Speaker 4: They're gonna be like, we're gonna we're gonna box you

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01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 4: into playing Jeremiah Love, Christian mcaffren, Saquon Barkley every week,

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Speaker 4: or just.

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Speaker 2: Don't want to just buy CMC for any cents on

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Speaker 2: the dollar, like.

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01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:03,760
Speaker 1: Just Ericton, if you don't want to take a third

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Speaker 1: running back, would you go McMillan, That would be my choice. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: okays an agreement there were all right? Thank you everybody

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Speaker 1: for the questions. We love opening up the mailbag every

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Speaker 1: now and again, and thank you everybody for checking out

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Speaker 1: this full episode. For Ericson and Jake, I'm Ryan Warmley.

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