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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, It's Wednesday, April twenty fourth, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast for we wouldn't

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Speaker 1: mind having Princess at quarterback. It's being your Man, MG.

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Speaker 1: Marcus Grant joined by Michael f. Florio and Lakwan Jones Fellas.

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Speaker 1: We are one sleep away from the NFL Draft. I

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Speaker 1: don't know about you, but my body is ready. I'm

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Speaker 1: ready for this draft season.

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Speaker 2: So ready, man, so so ready.

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Speaker 1: We will talk some draft. We've been talking about positions.

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Speaker 1: We've done quarterbacks, We've done running backs. He done tight ends.

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Speaker 1: Figure me to say this one for last in part

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Speaker 1: because it is the deepest that maybe most talked about

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Speaker 1: position fantasy wise in this draft, but also because it

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Speaker 1: gave us a chance to get on a very very

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Speaker 1: special guest. You know him from the Yahoo Fantasy Football podcast.

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Speaker 1: You know him as the creator and owner of Reception Perception.

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Speaker 1: If you have been listening to this show long enough,

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Speaker 1: you know him from way back in the day on

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Speaker 1: this show when we had a whole cast of characters

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Speaker 1: that we all used to hang out together.

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Speaker 3: It is our friend, the one and elite, Matt Harmon.

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Speaker 4: Harmon.

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Speaker 1: It is I say, it's good to see, Like, I

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Speaker 1: talk to you all the time digitally, but it's nice

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Speaker 1: to see your shining face here on my computer screen.

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Speaker 4: Yes, we do talk to each other all the time digitally.

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Speaker 4: We just saw each other in person yesterday because you

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Speaker 4: were on my show. So thank you again for that,

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Speaker 4: Marcus Grant. But Florio LaQuan, it's good to see you.

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 4: Listen, I'm like so ready to just get to the

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Speaker 4: draft at this point, you know, to know where these

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Speaker 4: receivers are gonna play and so then we can really

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Speaker 4: kind of do our projections and understand roles and fits

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Speaker 4: with quarterbacks and all that. But hey, here on draft,

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Speaker 4: miss Eve, there's really no better crew I'd rather talk

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Speaker 4: about this position with. So I mean, even though Marcus,

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Speaker 4: you saw you said to me yesterday, I have this

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Speaker 4: on the record. We were previewing off ball linebackers on

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Speaker 4: this pod. I guess I can pivot last minute and

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Speaker 4: try to find some receiver info here.

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Speaker 5: I was hoping that maybe off ball one.

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Speaker 3: No, no, I was I was saying.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I told him that we were going to

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Speaker 1: have him on our show to talk about off ball linebackers,

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Speaker 1: that that we're going to do.

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Speaker 4: But so I feel like, throw all my notes out.

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Speaker 4: I gotta throw all my notes out that I had

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Speaker 4: about that position. And yeah, so I'll spring together some

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Speaker 4: receiver stuff. I feel like we can pivot and do that.

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Speaker 5: I know.

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Speaker 1: Lo, look, let's just start with the fact that obviously

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Speaker 1: reception perception has has grown. It has been very successful.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations to you and our old all friend James co

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Speaker 1: Uh for that for everything you guys have done. But

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Speaker 1: let's just start from the beginning. Man, how did RP

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Speaker 1: come to be and how has it evolved over the years.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, way back when we're twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 4: So you know, for me, I wanted to kind of

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Speaker 4: when I was number one, hoping to break into the industry, right, Like,

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's crazy now, guys, how much things have

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Speaker 4: changed in the last ten years, and really how much

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Speaker 4: bigger this industry has gotten. You're not just fantasy but

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Speaker 4: just straight up and analysis too. There's so many people

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Speaker 4: doing so much, so much fantastic work, and that felt

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Speaker 4: like the case. Then you know, it's only like ten

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Speaker 4: ten years here. But so for me, I wanted to

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Speaker 4: try to find like my niche. Right, everybody kind of

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Speaker 4: gives you that advice, like try to find your nieche,

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Speaker 4: try to find something that you can carve out. And

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Speaker 4: for me, when I wanted to do that, I wanted

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Speaker 4: to set out to really answer the number one question

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Speaker 4: that I had about football. You know, from just my

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Speaker 4: early days of consuming the sport and everything, it was

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Speaker 4: just always I was obsessed with the wide receiver position

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Speaker 4: because when you're watching games on Sunday, right, you know,

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Speaker 4: we definitely know this as fantasy fans, you're not seeing

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Speaker 4: the receiver what they're doing downfield on like the broadcast angle.

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Speaker 4: And as a receiver, you're lucky to get like eight

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Speaker 4: In my mind, I thought, there's got to be some

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Speaker 4: what they're doing on all those snaps isolated from quarterback

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Speaker 4: So that's what reception perception sort of how it came

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Speaker 4: to be and what it is that I do. And

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Speaker 4: so for people that don't know, over an eight game

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Speaker 4: film becomes available to me as a you know, lowly

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Speaker 4: peon on the outside, I charged every single route that

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Speaker 4: try to isolate them from why from the wide receiver

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Speaker 4: the main metrics are success rate versus coverage, where show

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Speaker 4: how often they're running each route type, how often they

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Speaker 4: there's after catch metrics, and the most crucial thing boys

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Speaker 4: is really to me the alignment data, Like that's where

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Speaker 4: every discussion has to start and t go down from.

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Speaker 4: So again, the big picture of reception perception is just

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to isolate wide receiver play from surrounding variables.

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Speaker 4: So specifically for the draft, it's tough because we don't. Again,

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Speaker 4: we don't know where these guys are gonna play yet.

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Speaker 4: But I think the main goal for reception perception is

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Speaker 4: showing you what type of player this guy is and

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Speaker 4: what roles he can be successful, so that so that

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Speaker 3: And I'm a subscriber to Reception Perception.

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Speaker 5: Not only do you get all of that and that

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Speaker 5: amazing analysis, you also have the best boxer in the

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Speaker 5: fantasy industry on your Yeah, for sure it is correct.

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Speaker 4: Now, I don't know how many people are competing for

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Speaker 4: that title, but yes, that is true.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, we gotta get we gotta get go back

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Speaker 1: in the releast, I need video of Co's one bout,

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Speaker 3: I mean, he got in great shape, he slimmed down,

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Speaker 3: he looked awesome. I know it didn't.

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Speaker 1: Necessarily end out the way he wanted it to, but

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Speaker 1: I want video of it. I need video proof of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I have seen video proof of it, at least

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Speaker 4: I don't think. But yeah, it's got to be.

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Speaker 2: On his Instagram, like little preview clips of it though there.

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Speaker 4: I should follow it on Instagram, Yeah, you should.

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Speaker 1: You probly follow your you know, your co owner of

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Speaker 3: That's just me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So you talk about like things like you know, where

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Speaker 1: positional data and that sort of stuff. What things, What

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think this is really a critical sticking

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Speaker 4: point that for different positions within the position, different metrics

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Speaker 4: But then you sit there and like, look at these

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Speaker 4: It's so so different to me. This sort of crystallized

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Speaker 4: they're basically like they might both have wr next to

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Speaker 4: It's just more difficult to get open and to work

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Speaker 4: And I think teams that want, you know, Xavier Worthy

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Speaker 4: it's more zone heavy, but brass tacks like down in distance,

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Speaker 4: But if you're a guy that's gonna move around the

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Speaker 5: And we all know that this class starts with the

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Speaker 5: Big Three. I'm curious how because people think it's a

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Speaker 5: hot take to have anyone but Marvin Harrison Junior as

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Speaker 5: the number one in this class. How do you rank

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Speaker 4: My personal opinion Florio on this class is that I

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Speaker 4: think all three of these guys are Tier one wide

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Speaker 4: reception perception, a Tier one player is worth a top

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Speaker 4: It's very easy to see that that potential early on

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Speaker 4: So with that being said, you like this guy or

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Speaker 1: We have plenty more to talk about with dive into

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Speaker 1: Fantasy Football Podcast. All right, let's get into some more guys,

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say, good, good guy to drink beer with.

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Speaker 3: We just stunned.

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Speaker 4: a guy that is gonna come off the board in

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Speaker 4: Day two. I have him ranked pretty highly, So I

435
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Speaker 4: would really like that pick.

436
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Speaker 2: There.

437
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Speaker 1: You said Michael Gallup Or don't say that, because for

438
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Speaker 1: years I was. I was on the Michael Gallup train,

439
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Speaker 1: to the point that our friend and producer Hythan Kalani

440
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Speaker 1: just he still won't let me forget about it. Like

441
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Speaker 1: I've let go of the rope years ago, he still

442
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Speaker 1: won't let me forget about it.

443
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Speaker 4: He he had eleven hundred yards in his second season. Like,

444
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Speaker 4: I think that was a good take.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, thanks, yeah, but we're talking day two, guys.

446
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Speaker 6: I'm wondering where do you have any concerns about Xavier Laget,

447
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,600
Speaker 6: because like he's a guy that's like in the fancy

448
00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,120
Speaker 6: streets right now, people are still trying to figure out,

449
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Speaker 6: like what's so special about him.

450
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Speaker 2: And do you have any concerns?

451
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Speaker 4: Uh, Yeah, He's a guy that I've called the most

452
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,040
Speaker 4: difficult evaluation in this class because I think you can

453
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Speaker 4: look at yeah, yeah, well number one, like throw out

454
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Speaker 4: the reception perception for a second. You just don't see

455
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Speaker 4: a player have this type of collegiate journey, right he

456
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 4: is a guy that played for five years at the

457
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Speaker 4: same school and didn't break out until his fifth season.

458
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Speaker 4: Like I think we you know, maybe we don't even

459
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Speaker 4: have a conversation about it here, but just generally there's

460
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Speaker 4: a conversation that we had about just how weird this

461
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,679
Speaker 4: draft class is for a couple of different reasons. Because

462
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Speaker 4: it's an older class. There's a lot of guys like

463
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Speaker 4: zaber Leaguet who are coming in here after five seasons

464
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Speaker 4: because of COVID. There's also, like I think once we

465
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Speaker 4: get to the third day, like I've talked to several

466
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Speaker 4: evaluators who just say, like, after one hundred and fifty

467
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,440
Speaker 4: dress like it's not good. You're gonna be drafting a

468
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Speaker 4: lot of like UDFA graded players in round six and

469
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 4: seven and stuff like that where you wouldn't previously necessarily.

470
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Speaker 4: So it's it's an interesting draft to sort of consider.

471
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Speaker 4: And I think zaber le Get specifically talks like he

472
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Speaker 4: kind of personifies that in a way. And then when

473
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Speaker 4: you look at his reception perception profile too, he's a

474
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Speaker 4: difficult player to get a handle on because I think

475
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Speaker 4: you can look at you can look at his profile

476
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 4: in several different angles and like kind of talk yourself

477
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 4: into a couple different things. So I think if he

478
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Speaker 4: is a pure x receiver, he probably he probably fits

479
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Speaker 4: into like the Alshon Jeffery type of bucket. If you

480
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 4: look at his man press success rates, you're gonna be

481
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Speaker 4: more so counting on him in contested situations like tight

482
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Speaker 4: coverage down the field. To me, that's not like unless

483
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Speaker 4: I have the right type of quarterback that's just so

484
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Speaker 4: aggressive and willing to make those strows. That's not really

485
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Speaker 4: how I want to use the guy like this, because

486
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Speaker 4: when you look at actually his zone coverage success rates

487
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Speaker 4: pretty good eighty one point four percent interception perception. That's

488
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 4: a pretty good number. You look at his dig route

489
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Speaker 4: and slant route success rate, those routes over the middle

490
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Speaker 4: of the field. That's that's really like a good indicator

491
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Speaker 4: for that. If a guy that you can use in

492
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Speaker 4: He's not Deebo Samuel, but use him in the like

493
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Speaker 4: non gimmicky running back Deebo Samuel type role where you're

494
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Speaker 4: getting him off the ball your pre snap motion crossing

495
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Speaker 4: routes over the middle. That's where I think you want

496
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Speaker 4: to use zably gets. So to answer the question like

497
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Speaker 4: he is going to be a guy that after he

498
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Speaker 4: gets drafted, I'm gonna really know how I feel about

499
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Speaker 4: the fit right now, I'm like, it just depends on

500
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Speaker 4: the team. Here.

501
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Speaker 2: Let's say to Patriots, I'm there.

502
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Speaker 4: I'm concerned because I think I think they'll get beyond started.

503
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Speaker 2: He'll burn him.

504
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean beyond beyond the fact that just like

505
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Speaker 4: what is I mean, who who are they drafting a quarterback?

506
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Speaker 4: You know, in the top in the top three picks,

507
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Speaker 4: So they are who is it? Chakobra Set. I like

508
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Speaker 4: Jacobra Set, but I just don't think they have a

509
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Speaker 4: situation right now to grow and develop a quarterback number

510
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Speaker 4: one and then a wide receiver. You know, I like

511
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Speaker 4: Pop Douglas as a slot. They still have juju kicking

512
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Speaker 4: around there. You know, they lose DeVante Parker, who is

513
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Speaker 4: sort of their pure X receiver. Kendrick Bourn's coming off

514
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Speaker 4: in a cl like, are they just gonna throw zab

515
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 4: to get out as the X receiver? I think that

516
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Speaker 4: would be a little concerning. You know, there's a lot

517
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Speaker 4: of buzz that like Caroline is gonna take him at

518
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Speaker 4: thirty three. He had an interview a couple recent a

519
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Speaker 4: couple a couple days ago, maybe a week ago, where

520
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Speaker 4: he said he's been told that if he's there at

521
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Speaker 4: thirty three, the Panthers are taking him. That's what they've

522
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Speaker 4: told him. You know, that gets said to a lot

523
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Speaker 4: of prospects all the time and then they get their

524
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 4: hearts broken, So that that could certainly happen. But that's

525
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Speaker 4: another spot where Okay, where is he lining up? Because

526
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Speaker 4: they sort of had that guy in Jonathan Mingo last

527
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Speaker 4: year that I thought like, if he's gonna work in

528
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Speaker 4: the NFL, it's gonna have to be as a big slot. Well,

529
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Speaker 4: you have Adam Thielon who's a pro and he's playing

530
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Speaker 4: he's a big slot receiver at this point in his career.

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Speaker 4: So you've blocked Mingo there, right, And like Flan is

532
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Speaker 4: still on the team. Deontay Johnson's kind of a guy

533
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Speaker 4: that you can line up at X. He has lined

534
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Speaker 4: up at X in his career. But he's also really

535
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Speaker 4: I think had his best season last season from an

536
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Speaker 4: efficiency standpoint, when he was when George Pickens was the

537
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Speaker 4: ex receiver and he was allowed to play more off

538
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Speaker 4: the ball. So again, where's Zavier? Look at that? That's

539
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 4: a slightly better picture to me, but still one that like,

540
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Speaker 4: these are the questions I think we're gonna have to

541
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Speaker 4: ask once he gets drafted.

542
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Speaker 5: And last week Peter Schrager put out a mock he

543
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Speaker 5: had Jalen Polk going in the first round, and it

544
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Speaker 5: kind of turned fantasy analysts against one another.

545
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Speaker 3: I like Polk.

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Speaker 5: I don't think he's a first round pick, but how

547
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Speaker 5: do you feel about him?

548
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Speaker 4: I don't think Jalen Polk's a first round pick, but

549
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Speaker 4: I sort of bucketed him in the priority round two bucket.

550
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Speaker 4: I think this guy's a good player. Man. I didn't

551
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Speaker 4: know what to expect going into his film, but you know,

552
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Speaker 4: beyond the fact that like I had seen Washington's offense

553
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Speaker 4: and like, I know they're gonna throw the ball down

554
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Speaker 4: the field because I'd already worked on Rome soon day.

555
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Speaker 4: But I didn't really know much about Jalen Polk. I

556
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Speaker 4: knew Jalen Jalen McMillan was kind of their primary slot guy.

557
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Speaker 4: But I've also seen some people say that, like Jalen

558
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Speaker 4: Polp maybe projects best of the slot. And that's one

559
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Speaker 4: thing that's interesting about him is like you get a

560
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 4: glimpse of him doing a lot of different things, Like

561
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Speaker 4: sixty point six percent of his sample snaps were outside,

562
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Speaker 4: thirty five point eight percent were in the slot. He's

563
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Speaker 4: in the backfield as like a pre SAT motion option

564
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Speaker 4: on three point six percent of sampled snaps, and like

565
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Speaker 4: like thirty five percent of his snaps and slot's a

566
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Speaker 4: pretty healthy number for a guy that's not a pure

567
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Speaker 4: slot player. I think that's probably his best role in

568
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Speaker 4: the NFL, very like Robert woods Ish and his ability

569
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Speaker 4: to beat zone coverage is nice. I really like his

570
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 4: route running overall, like he knows where to settle, he

571
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Speaker 4: knows where to kind of work back to the quarterback

572
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 4: against zone coverage. But the routes to get you really

573
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Speaker 4: excited and you think about, like I wrote this on

574
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 4: the website, is like and you know, hopefully no one's

575
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 4: listening to this right now, even though it's a podcast.

576
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Speaker 4: Like I'm not saying he's the next Pooka Akua, right, Like,

577
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 4: don't aggregate me and say he's the next Pookin Akua.

578
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 4: But like, from a utilization standpoint, how they used Puka

579
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 4: is kind of how I think Jalen Polk should be

580
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 4: used in the NFL. Where you're getting him on these

581
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 4: crossing routes and stuff like that. That's where it's really

582
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Speaker 4: exciting for me. I think he's not a lot of

583
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 4: build up speed against man coverage. He just seems like

584
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 4: a really rugged, reliable, dirty work player. And if you

585
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 4: go back and read what I wrote about Pooka before

586
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 4: the draft, I used a lot of the same words,

587
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Speaker 4: like we're talking about that family of receivers.

588
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:01,479
Speaker 3: Now.

589
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 4: He's not going to go out and break rookie records,

590
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 4: most likely as a as a first year player, but

591
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 4: I do think he can land in a good spot

592
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 4: and be a relatively productive player early.

593
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 3: Climate Pooka, you heard it here.

594
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: Firstwet reception perception, owners says, this is the new Puka Nakua.

595
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 4: I may or may not have some of those accounts blocked, but.

596
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 6: I like it.

597
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 4: I like a clean feed. But that's me. That's just me.

598
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 3: It's funny.

599
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Speaker 1: So Keon Coleman was a guy who I felt like

600
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: at the start of draft season was getting a lot

601
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: of talk and suddenly he's not suddenly, but he just

602
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: kind of steadily faded. I think as we have gotten

603
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: closer to the actual draft, one of the knocks on

604
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: him is that he is not a good separator. I

605
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: know for you that's not necessarily a big thing or

606
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: a bad thing necessarily, but you do sort of worry

607
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: that a guy who can't separate in college, what's he

608
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: going to do with the NFL level?

609
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 3: Is that a concern for you? For him?

610
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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I did a full YouTube breakdown on this,

611
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Speaker 4: so you guys can check that out if you're interested

612
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 4: in real dorky percentiles and numbers and a lot of

613
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 4: names that you forgot about at the wide receiver position,

614
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 4: if you want to go check that out. But prior

615
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 4: to this year's class, in terms of all of the

616
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Speaker 4: guys I've charted in reception, perceptionist prospects. There have been

617
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Speaker 4: thirty four players total that have finished below the thirty

618
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 4: fifth percentile against man, zone, and press cover all three

619
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Speaker 4: of these metrics, or at least two of the three.

620
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 4: Kean Coleman does fit into this bucket where he is

621
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Speaker 4: below the thirty fifth percentile against man and press coverage. Now,

622
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 4: his own coverage success rate is pretty good. But if

623
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,959
Speaker 4: you look at all those players, thirty four total players,

624
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Speaker 4: I would say nine of them. Again, I'm not going

625
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 4: to read it the whole list year because it's a mess.

626
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 4: Nine of these guys have had moments in the league.

627
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 4: So that's twenty eight percent of the list. I would

628
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 4: argue that there are five true inarguable hits. All five

629
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 4: of those guys are big slot receivers. I'm on Ross

630
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 4: Saint Brown is one of them, a guy who was

631
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 4: not good against man, press coverages and outside receiver at USC,

632
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 4: but it was a pretty solid zone beater. Cooper Cup

633
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 4: was another one of them. Not that good against man

634
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 4: press coverage as a slot, as a as a receiver

635
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 4: in college, but was good against zone coverage. And by

636
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 4: the way, before he went like nuclear with Stafford, he

637
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,959
Speaker 4: was a guy that was not that great against man

638
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 4: press coverage early in his career, being used in like

639
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 4: these very specific I mean, Lakwan you know this, like

640
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 4: these very specific, like almost tight end dish type ways.

641
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 4: You know, he was like chipping guys and then going

642
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 4: out to routes in the flat as a big slot receiver.

643
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 4: He's like the first guy to really be in this

644
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 4: arc type. Other players that fit this list Juju is

645
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 4: another one perimeter receiver at USC moved into the slot.

646
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 4: Rashi Rice another guy perimeter receiver at SMU moved into

647
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 4: the slot, and then Tyler Boyd is the other one

648
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 4: who was a big slot receiver during his time with

649
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 4: the Bengals. So I think that is the best future

650
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Speaker 4: projection for a guy like Keon Coleman. I understand the

651
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 4: temptation that other people will have of like he's a

652
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 4: big guy, you use him at ex receiver and you

653
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 4: throw him into tight coverage situations. He's a different player,

654
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 4: obviously a different player than what we talked about with

655
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Speaker 4: xavierly get there. They're not the same guy, but it's

656
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 4: it's sort of the same way where I think I

657
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 4: think Lagett can play a little bit more outside than

658
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 4: Coleman can, But I just want Coleman running these routes

659
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 4: against zone coverage, having some freedom, you know, to get

660
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 4: into space, because he's pretty good when he's got a

661
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 4: head of steam. There runner routes with the free release,

662
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 4: like crossing over the middle of the field, and I

663
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 4: think he fits into that bucket of receiver. So another

664
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 4: guy that like where he lands is gonna matter a

665
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 4: lot because there are coaching staffs I trust with this transition,

666
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 4: and then there are coaching staffs that I do not

667
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 4: trust with this transition. Again the Jonathan Mingo example earlier,

668
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 4: he fits into this bucket. Another example, Traylon Burks fit

669
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 4: into this bucket. And what did the Titans do with

670
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 4: Traylon Burks despite the fact I rode in his RP

671
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 4: profile like this is a guy that needs to play

672
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 4: as a big slot receiver. He's gonna work in the

673
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 4: NFL because that was what he was doing in college.

674
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 4: They took big body receiver wins in tight coverage, can

675
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 4: rippy downfield, and they threw him out an X receiver.

676
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 4: And even though he's had injuries when he's been on

677
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 4: the field, the film is not good for trailing Brook.

678
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 4: So that's sort of the path I'd like to see

679
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 4: Kean Coleman go down.

680
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: Just sort of weird that the Titans moved on from

681
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: AJ Brown for what they thought was sort of arbitrage

682
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: AJ Brown and worked out.

683
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 4: Sometimes sometimes you trade your elite receiver and you get

684
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 4: Justin Jefferson for like for the Viking example. Sometimes you

685
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 4: trade your elite receiver and you get Trailing Brooke. So

686
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 4: we'll see.

687
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 5: My biggest takeaway there was USC receivers can't win out

688
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 5: wide in the NFL.

689
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 4: Unless you drink London, unless you drink Wow.

690
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 3: You know what. They may not be able to win outside,

691
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 3: but they get paid, so that is true. They get paid.

692
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 3: We still got a few more guys to talk about.

693
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Speaker 1: Take another quick break, will come back, excuse me, and

694
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Speaker 1: wrap things up here with Matt Harmon on the NFL

695
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: Fantasy Football Podcast. A few other guys we want to

696
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: touch on, as we got Harmon here for a little

697
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: bit longer. Malachi Corley, and when I watch male Kai Corley,

698
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: I hate saying this, right, but Debo in the sense

699
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: of they used him in multiple ways, not saying that

700
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: he is a Deebo Samuel type player or will be

701
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: at the NFL level. Does this skill set translate or

702
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: is he I know a lot of these guys are

703
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: are landing spot dependent, but it feels like he is

704
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: more landing spot dependent than a lot of other guys

705
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: in this class.

706
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 3: Oh.

707
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Any of these like Gadgety create a touch type players.

708
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 4: It's gonna really matter where they land right now. I

709
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 4: think that when you look at malak Kai Corley and

710
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 4: you compare him to sort of the fake receivers that

711
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 4: have come out of the draft in the last few years,

712
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 4: you know, Rondel Moore, Wandale Robinson, I think he's more

713
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 4: of a real receiver than those guys. He's also bigger,

714
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 4: obviously than a guy certainly like a guy like Rondel Moore,

715
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 4: he I think brings you a little more physicality after

716
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 4: they catch in some of those players, which that's gonna

717
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 4: that's gonna matter, right I Mean, the guy literally calls

718
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 4: himself the Yak King, and he certainly is that type

719
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 4: of player. But yeah, he's a guy that's gonna take

720
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 4: a specific role. I mean, eighty nine percent of his

721
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 4: sample snaps for reception perception were in the slot, eight

722
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 4: point two percent in the backfield, ninety nine point three percent.

723
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 4: Just one snap out of the full sample was on

724
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 4: the line of scrimmage. He's an off ball player that

725
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 4: you're gonna move around, you're gonna create mismatches with. But

726
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 4: again that's gonna take the right coaching staff. So he

727
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 4: to me, he's a guy that, like I prefer to

728
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 4: take that profile on on day three. But every now

729
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 4: and again you will see a coaching staff, like with

730
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 4: those two players I mentioned earlier, Rondelle Moore Wando Robinson,

731
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 4: like now we're taking that on on day two and

732
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 4: then we're immediately or sometimes they do it like Cadarius

733
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 4: Tony Giants twice here, different different gms, but still and

734
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 4: then like you, you just you've got to build a

735
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 4: package for those players. It just that it can happen.

736
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 4: The right coach can do it, the right court. I

737
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 4: think you also need the right quarterback. But at the

738
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 4: same time, it's a burden I think for coaching have

739
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 4: to to to sort of design these plays for for

740
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 4: guys that are on that spectrum of players, because I

741
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 4: think with Debo, like look, we get obsessed with the

742
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 4: gadgety stuff with him, but like, guy's also a real receiver.

743
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 4: That beats like zone coverage and runs legitimate routes. And

744
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 4: he's not a pressman beater, that's for sure. And I

745
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 4: do see some of those glimpses with Malachi Corley. So

746
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 4: if we're talking about the spectrum of this, this receiver

747
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 4: like Deebo's the peak arc type and then these other

748
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 4: guys are are down here, I do think Corley is

749
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 4: somewhere in the middle. Just don't have a lot of

750
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 4: conviction on how close he is to one side or

751
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 4: the other.

752
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 6: So I'm a huge sucker for speed and I'm a

753
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 6: speed demon follower. So Xavier Worthy, Like, there's a lot

754
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 6: of headlines about the speed, but is there more to

755
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 6: Xavier Worthy? And will it be successful for NFL team?

756
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, buddy, your rams should take Xavier Worthy because but yes, yeah,

757
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 4: what are we say Marcus yesterday? Yeah, souped up to two? Yeah, Look,

758
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 4: I think there are team This is the best time

759
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 4: for a player like Xavier Worthy to come into the

760
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 4: NFL because there are so many teams making use of

761
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 4: these full speed pre snap motions right the Kyle Shanahan

762
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 4: called him the the cheap motions last year, Like that's

763
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 4: that's what you want Xavier Worthy to do it because

764
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 4: I think he is a real receiver, right, Like he's

765
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 4: he's not a just a speed demon. He's not your

766
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 4: you know. Scott Barrett put out the list of like

767
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 4: the fastest combine speeds ever, and like, well, there's only

768
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 4: one thousand yard receiver in there that was Santana Moss.

769
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 4: Shout out what a good player Santana Moss was in

770
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 4: his prime. If we ever did an RP historic uh,

771
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 4: you know, like old time old timers, Santana Moss would

772
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 4: definitely be a guide one in there, you know. But

773
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 4: I think that, like in terms of those fast combine speeds,

774
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 4: like he's much more of a real receiver than like

775
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 4: Dree Archer or John what was JJ Nelson all these guys. Right,

776
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 4: But there are limitations because of the size he is

777
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 4: not like like Tank Dell. Last year, Despike the size

778
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 4: had an eighty third percentile success rate versus press coverage.

779
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 4: Like he showed you an ability to win despite the

780
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 4: size from like a press coverage standpoint, from a tight

781
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 4: cover standpoint. Those are areas of weakness in Xavier Worth

782
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 4: these games. But he does run good routes. He does

783
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 4: separate against offman coverage and zone coverage. So what I

784
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 4: like about those players is think about what Jayden Reid

785
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 4: did for the Packers last year. He was like the

786
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 4: Packers for years had been trying to have those pre

787
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 4: snap motion plays and then truly weaponize them. They had

788
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 4: like even Tyler Irvin a running back on those plays,

789
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 4: and they even tried like Aaron Jones at times. But

790
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 4: it's just like it's one thing when you and they

791
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 4: drafted Amari Rodgers thinking he was gonna be this player

792
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 4: and he wasn't, and they draft Jayden Reid and use

793
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 4: him in that role, and it's like, Okay, not only

794
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 4: do you have a dangerous player from a speed perspective

795
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 4: and a vertical perspective on those prestamp motion plays, but

796
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 4: you also have like a that's a real receiver in

797
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 4: Jayden Reid, that's a route runner. That's a guy that

798
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 4: gets open all on his own. I think Xavier Worthy.

799
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 4: I mean, he's faster than Jayden Reid. He's not necessarily

800
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 4: the technician that Jayden Reid was, but similar sort of

801
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 4: thing where okay, yeah, we take for the ram just

802
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 4: using the Rams as example too. To Atlow was like,

803
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 4: you know he's doing those things right. For he was

804
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 4: doing some receivery stuff on the back of those prestam

805
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 4: motion plays, but eventually that wore itself out, and then

806
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 4: they just throw a real receiver in JaMarcus Robinson, who's

807
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 4: a death guy, but a real receiver out there. I

808
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 4: think with Xavier Worthy, you get the best of both worlds.

809
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 4: So as long as one of those teams and he

810
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 4: went off that tree draft Zavior Worthy, I'm in on it.

811
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 2: I'm here for man.

812
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 6: I say we trade back from nineteen, you get the

813
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 6: picks in the second, we load up, and we still

814
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 6: get him at the back end the first.

815
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 5: I love it. I've been hoping my Bills take him.

816
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 5: I'm a sucker for players like Xavier Worthy. I Come Toto,

817
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 5: Marquise Brown, Will Fuller, stuff like that, like these players

818
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 5: that I've always loved historically.

819
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 2: But Harmon, I want to know who you love.

820
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 5: We've actually about a lot of different wide receivers. But

821
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 5: who is your guy in this class? Maybe outside the

822
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 5: top three because everyone loves the top three.

823
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally. I mean my guy is Marvin Harrison for sure. Yeah.

824
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 4: We've mentioned a lot of guys that I have like

825
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 4: a kind of a higher grade than consensus on. Maybe.

826
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously with the Jermaine Burton stuff, we gave

827
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 4: all the necessary caveats. I'm not going to say that.

828
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 4: I'm not going to say, you know, someone that strikes

829
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 4: a fan coming on the field is my guy. But

830
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 4: like from an on field perspective, he does certainly check

831
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 4: a lot of the boxes that I would like to

832
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 4: bet on. You know, but Ricky Piersall is a guy

833
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 4: I've been ahead of consensus on. I love him as

834
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 4: a route runner. I think he you know, he's similar

835
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 4: with Xavier Worthy where or excuse me, Xavier Leaguett where

836
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 4: he's an older player. He's an older prospect, But I

837
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 4: don't think he's out there out athleting people like Xavier

838
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 4: legett is. He's winning with nuanced timing technique and his

839
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 4: route running. That makes me really optimistic about him hitting

840
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 4: the NFL field and have some type of role. Early

841
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 4: I've been saying that he's a guy that could hit

842
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 4: the NFL field and like be early on that like

843
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 4: quarterback's best friend, because he could play all three positions.

844
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 4: He can run all the routes. He can win short,

845
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 4: he can win intermediate, like Okay, maybe we have a

846
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 4: high low read here and whoever insert number one receiver

847
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 4: here is our high read. Maybe Piercell is that guy, Like,

848
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 4: all right, we get it to him underneath. He's our

849
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 4: second read and he can be productive early with the

850
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 4: upside to grow into a guy that we're comfortable throwing

851
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 4: the ball to one hundred and twenty times a game.

852
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 4: You know, we talked about Jamon Baker, He's a player.

853
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 3: I like.

854
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 4: The other guy that I think, you know, people aren't

855
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 4: talking about enough is Malik Washington at a UVA. I

856
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 4: A man. I love Malik Washington, Flouria. Are you talking

857
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 4: about the players you're flourya? Are you talking about like

858
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 4: the players you're a sucker for. I'm always a sucker

859
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 4: for a guy like Malik Washington who runs good routes.

860
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 4: I mean he transferred from Northwestern and UVa's coaching staff

861
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 4: without having like a full production kind of like a

862
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 4: big resume or anything. They're like, we're gonna build the

863
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 4: whole offense out of you. Malik Washington, you know what,

864
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 4: broke ultiple school records? Incredibly productive and it worked, and

865
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 4: you see him beat zone coverage. You see him win

866
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 4: against man coverage, great hands, some of the best hands

867
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 4: in this class. I mean he is reliable, like you said,

868
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 4: understands the game he can win, and tight coverage he

869
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 4: can win when he's got nobody around him. Just consistent hands,

870
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 4: and he's a kind of a pain to bring down

871
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 4: after the catch. I was on with Rich Reebar, the

872
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 4: Great Lord Reeves, and he said he's his player. Comparison

873
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 4: form was if Maurice Jones Drew became a became a

874
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 4: wide receiver. That's how he sort of plays the game.

875
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 4: He's that like small compact player who just runs like

876
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 4: a rolling ball of butcher knives. Man. I'm a big

877
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 4: fan of Malik Washington. Like I talk about those Wandell

878
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 4: Robinson great example, Wanda Robbins goes in the second round,

879
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 4: leak Washington is a better prospect than Wandell Robinson. So like,

880
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 4: if he lands in the right team, some team has

881
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 4: that like conviction to take him on Day two of

882
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 4: the draft. Yeah, I'm gonna be way too excited about him.

883
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

884
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: So, I feel like you've gone through the game things.

885
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: I just want to sort of ask you about reception

886
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: perception kind of in general, because you you sort of

887
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: touched on it. And this is an idea that I

888
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: think I might have posed to you once upon a time,

889
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: doing kind of a you know, I don't know RP

890
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: Classic or RP throwback or something.

891
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 3: Like that, Like would you ever do that?

892
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: I feel like you actually mentioned that during the pandemic

893
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: you almost got to that point of going back and

894
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: watching old guys and kind of doing reception perception for them.

895
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 4: My thought was that, yeah, if if we had had

896
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 4: the twenty twenty season when listen, remember our mindset, like

897
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 4: back in twenty twenty, when like, I mean, anybody that

898
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 4: worked in the industry was like, oh my god, what

899
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 4: if like they canceled the season and all this stuff.

900
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 4: I'm like and I was like, what am I going

901
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 4: to do? That's a whole season's worth of data lost me.

902
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 4: My plan was actually to go back and like chart

903
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 4: old players. I don't know how much that would have

904
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 4: juiced up the subscriber account, but that was sort of

905
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 4: the plan. Like as much film as like you get

906
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 4: on guys that I never even really looked at for RP,

907
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 4: you know, Randy Moss or like Steve Smith, even guy

908
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 4: yeah Tory Hold, Isaac Bruce, Like let's get a profile

909
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 4: on those guys. That was definitely something I considered. Will

910
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 4: you take request? Here here's the thing. I'm not gonna

911
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 4: do it now because they're you guys. Well maybe not

912
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 4: you guys, because you know you're you're sickos in your

913
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 4: own right, you're your fantasy cicos in your own right.

914
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 4: But you would not believe some of the players I

915
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 4: like am consistently requested to chart beyond the tight end stuff, which.

916
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 3: Is just like I gonna say, tight ends I know

917
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 3: are a big thing for you.

918
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, Brock, just how many times we've gotten like, when's

919
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 4: the Kyle Pitt's reception perception? Will you consider doing a

920
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 4: profile on Brock Bowers? And the answer is no for

921
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 4: two for two reasons. One, here's here's the like data

922
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 4: statistical reason. I've been doing reception perception for ten years now.

923
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 4: Like I have a large database of wide receivers, and

924
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 4: like I said at the top, you know, depending on

925
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 4: where guys line up, I can tell you what this means,

926
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 4: how we can project this player not with one hundred

927
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 4: percent certainty, nothing's one hundred percent and this beautiful game

928
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 4: of football, but with a strong degree of confidence of

929
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 4: what this data point means I'm gonna start all over

930
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 4: at the tight end. That's that's tough. Like I'm sorry

931
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 4: doing tight ends, Like Okay, this guy's great against man coverage.

932
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 4: What does that mean?

933
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 3: I don't.

934
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 4: I don't know, because I just don't have that backlog

935
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 4: of data like I do with wide receivers, the non

936
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 4: data base, you know, just real person reason. I got

937
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 4: enough work to do. Like I said, there are so

938
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 4: many receivers that get I mean, like, can you when's

939
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 4: the this profile coming up? I mean certainly during prospect season.

940
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 4: You know, there are guys that I'm hoping to get

941
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 4: on the site like, and I'm running out of time

942
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 4: here before the draft, right, So I'm busy enough with

943
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 4: the with the receiver position that I can't include tight ends.

944
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 4: And then yeah, I I'd love to get some old

945
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 4: profiles up, but probably not gonna happen.

946
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: I will say this, and I know, knowing you the

947
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: way I do, I know that you are not one

948
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: who is you know, prone to April Fools jokes or

949
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: anything like that. But the fact that you guys posted

950
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: a Kyle Pitts route tree on a on April Fool's Day.

951
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 4: That I had nothing I had yeah, it was Number

952
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 4: one is great. Number two I had nothing to do

953
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:08,959
Speaker 4: with that. Like I think I said that the person

954
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 4: who was fooled most by that chart was me, because

955
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 4: we've mentioned James co several times on the show. James

956
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 4: also had nothing to do with that. The real backbone

957
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 4: of Reception Perception dot com is Zach Miller. Zach Miller

958
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 4: is literally, I mean I say this with love, a

959
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 4: total rando who reached out to me on Instagram at

960
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 4: one point, and you got you know, sometimes people reach

961
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 4: out to like, hey, you need any help on a project,

962
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 4: like I would love to help you for free to

963
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 4: try to break into the industry. And Zach just right place,

964
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 4: right time when I was building the website, put just

965
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 4: to hit me up on Instagram and I was like, actually, yes,

966
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 4: because I am overwhelmed and I need help getting like

967
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 4: old some of these like twenty nineteen profiles up on

968
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,959
Speaker 4: the site before we launch here and start charting twenty

969
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 4: twenty and all that. So yeah, if you want to

970
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 4: help me, like i'd love, I'm gonna pay you because

971
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,439
Speaker 4: I just I don't believe in letting anybody work for free.

972
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'll pay you, but you can help me

973
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 4: with this, and now he's literally become like our most

974
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 4: our MVP bye by a long shot. Like Reception, Perception

975
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 4: dot Com as you know it and love it maybe

976
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 4: does not exist without Zach Miller, to the point that

977
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 4: now all these years later, he because he's my most

978
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 4: valuable employee, you know, of like the free people I employ,

979
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 4: by far the most valuable even beyond my like myself. Listen,

980
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 4: I can do all the charting. It doesn't get on

981
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 4: the website as good as it looks and function as

982
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 4: well without Zach Miller. Now at this point, he can

983
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 4: do things like post a joke Kyle Pitts chart from

984
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 4: our social media account.

985
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 3: And I was like, what is what is that?

986
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 4: It's like, what's what is that?

987
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: Oh?

988
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 4: Right? Right? So that was definitely a good april fulist joke.

989
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, Pal, you know, talking to you, I'm glad you're

990
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles for a couple of days you get

991
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: back here in the West Coast. Although I'm saying I

992
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: said this, I think on your your podcast yesterday that

993
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: we used to live like four or five miles from

994
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: each other. Now we have like three thousand miles apart,

995
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: and I feel like we still see each other the

996
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: same amount of time we lived down the street.

997
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 4: La is a weird city. And I was literally just

998
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 4: having this conversation with my wife this morning where we

999
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 4: saw a group of another group of friends last night,

1000
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 4: had dinner and everything, and I was trying to ease

1001
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 4: the pain of like, oh my god, it's so it's

1002
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 4: so sad we don't see these people. We're not we

1003
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 4: don't live close to these people all the time. I

1004
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 4: was like, let's remember that, like how many times, Like

1005
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 4: let's count literally count our minds, like how often we

1006
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 4: saw each other when we lived here, because it's just

1007
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 4: like four miles in La might as well be like

1008
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 4: four seas away from each other.

1009
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 5: Just yes, lives ten. I think it's like eight miles away.

1010
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 5: I see him like once a month.

1011
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 4: Oh that you're you're dude, you're doing great. Okay, you

1012
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 4: eight miles away and you see each other once a month,

1013
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 4: That's what that.

1014
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look when we all live like in

1015
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: Culver City Palms, and you know, our pal Matt Franciscovis

1016
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: franchise lived in Hollywood, he might as well have lived

1017
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: in Alaska.

1018
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 3: Like it was just like, we're not we're not coming there.

1019
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 3: It's not happening or La Kwan.

1020
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 5: That happens to Lakwan. He's he's for at least for me,

1021
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 5: he's off the beach.

1022
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 1: He's in like because l Q is in the high

1023
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: rent district down in the you know, Rancho Palace four

1024
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: days like, we're not we're not welcome down that far south.

1025
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 3: First of all, it's so funny.

1026
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 5: I keep checking the mail to see if I ever

1027
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 5: get like an invite to just go to his neighborhood.

1028
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 3: I pay trip out.

1029
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 2: There there on the grill, will chill by the pull,

1030
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 2: we'll do some rankings.

1031
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: It's it's literally a day trip. Otherwise, you know, otherwise

1032
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: that's totally incredible harmon dud Matt. We appreciate you, man.

1033
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: You guys are busy over at Yahoo. You guys got

1034
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: a whole lot of stuff going on. Man, on top

1035
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: of the reception perception Stuffhich everybody should go and subscribe

1036
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: to you guys. You get your hands full with Yahoo

1037
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 1: the next few days.

1038
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 4: Correct, absolutely, you know that is why I'm here in La.

1039
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 4: We're doing two live shows during the NFL Draft at

1040
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 4: Night one and Night two. It's gonna be a great cast.

1041
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 4: I know. I know you're gonna be watching the NFL

1042
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 4: network obviously. Okay, I'll be going to be watching the

1043
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 4: NFL Network and Daniel Jeremiah up there doing his thing,

1044
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 4: absolutely dominating it. But you people out there, you have

1045
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 4: a lot of screens. Okay, you got laptops, got iPads,

1046
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 4: you might have two laptops. You definitely got a phone. Okay,

1047
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 4: So one of those screens, what you're gonna do. You're

1048
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 4: going to the Yahoo Sports YouTube page night one to

1049
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 4: night two, and you're gonna watch us during the draft.

1050
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,439
Speaker 4: It's gonna be me Charles Robinson, senior NFL insider, Adam

1051
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 4: Gorney from Rivals, so he's gonna have a full background

1052
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 4: these guys dating back to high school. Jason Fitz best

1053
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 4: host in the game obviously, and Damien Harris, former Patriots

1054
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 4: and Bill's running back, will also be joining the show

1055
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 4: to break down these players. Yeah, it's gonna be full

1056
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 4: day next few days, and of course, my buddy Charles

1057
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 4: McDonald and I will be breaking down both round one

1058
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 4: and then the full draft on the Yahoo Fantasy Football Show.

1059
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 4: As Marcus mentioned, so yeah, full day. But I can't

1060
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 4: wait for it, man, I'm just so ready for this

1061
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 4: thing to happen.

1062
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Man, definitely a lot of good stuff over there

1063
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 1: at Yahoo, of course, a lot of great stuff at Reception, Perception.

1064
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 3: Give a shout out to my pal James co.

1065
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: I should proably just get on the phone and text

1066
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: him because that's probably easier than trying to send a

1067
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: message through you. Also really forward to you and and

1068
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: Charles McDonald too, like you know, the the great four

1069
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: verts on Twitter.

1070
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 3: Always a good listen as well, So looking forward to it.

1071
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: The Draft is in a little more than twenty four

1072
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: hours from now when we are currently recording this show,

1073
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: so it should be a whole lot of fun there.

1074
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: Of course, we'll be back with you on Thursday morning

1075
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: for another episode of the Fantasy cheat Sheet. You find

1076
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: that streaming on YouTube, and we will be back with

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Speaker 1: you post first round of the Draft with a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a live stream there too. So you talked,

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Speaker 1: Harman talked about the multi screens. You can multi screen

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Speaker 1: all of these, you know, have the Draft on TV,

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Speaker 1: have the Yahoo stream on one screen, have our stream

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Speaker 1: on another screen, and you will be bombarded with Fantasy

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Speaker 1: Draft takes as though you haven't had enough over the

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Speaker 1: last several months. All good Shout out to Susie Benon

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Speaker 1: for helping us get this thing up and going. Shout

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Speaker 1: out to Harmon for stopping by for Michael lef Florio,

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Speaker 1: for Lakwan Jones.

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Speaker 3: I am Marcus Grant. This has been the.

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Speaker 1: NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. Stay happy, safe and healthy, do

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Speaker 1: good and live well. Enjoy Draft Day, even though we'll

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Speaker 1: be back with you before then and we will talk

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Speaker 1: to you real real soon