WEBVTT - The Consequences of Political Apathy

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Tamika D.

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<v Speaker 2>Mallory and this shit boy my son in general.

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<v Speaker 1>We are your host of TMI.

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<v Speaker 1>New energy. What's going on, my son, Lennon, I am.

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<v Speaker 3>Blessed in Holly Favor. How you doing today, Tamika D.

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<v Speaker 1>Mallory, I'm doing really good. I am feeling a little

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<v Speaker 1>reallye I'll tell you I am.

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<v Speaker 3>And why are you feeling relieved too?

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<v Speaker 1>For the last few days since the rally that took

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<v Speaker 1>place in Madison Square Garden on this past Sunday, I

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<v Speaker 1>received a lot of messages from people, and I've also

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<v Speaker 1>been watching some of the social media profiles or pages

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<v Speaker 1>where they have a lot of people, not just black people,

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<v Speaker 1>but just people in general with who have expressed their

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<v Speaker 1>either support for Trump or just their desire to stay home.

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<v Speaker 1>It's probably probably been more people who have expressed that

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<v Speaker 1>they're not going to vote at all. And the last

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<v Speaker 1>few days I really have been watching that turnaround. I

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<v Speaker 1>received a number of text messages. By the time I

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<v Speaker 1>woke up on Monday morning, there were at least three

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<v Speaker 1>people that text me saying, Hey, you know this is crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I was thinking about voting for Trump. Now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not and or I'm definitely going to the polls. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I saw on a few people's pages in the comments,

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<v Speaker 1>they were like, you know, I wasn't going to vote.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm tired of it all. You know, the same things

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<v Speaker 1>and by the way, things we agree with, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>things that people just feeling like this whole thing is

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<v Speaker 1>a clown show. They just don't feel, they don't feel

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<v Speaker 1>or see how it will impact their lives, and even

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<v Speaker 1>though we know it will, and they weren't planning on voting,

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<v Speaker 1>and now they're like, yeah, we can't let these people

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<v Speaker 1>take control back of the country. And so I think

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<v Speaker 1>I feel good about that. I had said to you

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<v Speaker 1>from you know, months and months ago when we were

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<v Speaker 1>it was during the Joe Biden time, I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was Joe Biden was still the nominee, and I remember

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<v Speaker 1>saying to you. You were like, I just don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what's going to happen, And I said, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>best things that could happen in this election, or that

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<v Speaker 1>happens every time, is Trump speaking. When he talks, when

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<v Speaker 1>he talks, when his sarrogates talk, when he has people

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<v Speaker 1>around him talking because they talk their way out of

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<v Speaker 1>people having any sort of you know, feeling of I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to say affinity, but people seeing them as

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<v Speaker 1>anything other than what they are, which is raging racist.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you know, I as an organizer for thirty

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<v Speaker 1>years of my life, I am always incredibly grateful when

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<v Speaker 1>the opponent gives me something to work with that I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to try to figure out on my own

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<v Speaker 1>or try to clip everything together to show people what

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about. It's just all right there. The media,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody every day has been talking about what happened at

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<v Speaker 1>that rally.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been it's been very interesting. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>The Trumpers were trumping this weekend, as I say, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was really just mind boggling, you know, it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so mind boggling. First of all, I had

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<v Speaker 2>heard about this rally, like probably the day before it

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<v Speaker 2>was happening.

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<v Speaker 3>They said it. I didn't even know.

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<v Speaker 2>And then to see a lot of people down there,

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<v Speaker 2>so and I seen it on a black guy's face.

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<v Speaker 2>He was like bragging he was outside. So when you

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<v Speaker 2>listen to just the rhetoric that was going on in there,

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<v Speaker 2>just in the last couple, like the last couple rallies

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<v Speaker 2>that he had. You've seen the doctor phil statement, the

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<v Speaker 2>other guy's statement about Americas for America, and then they

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<v Speaker 2>compared it to you know, the statement that was made

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<v Speaker 2>by Hitler, you know, the Germany is for Germans, so

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<v Speaker 2>and then it was comparing it to the actual meeting

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<v Speaker 2>and rally that it had in the garden in.

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<v Speaker 1>The thirties, in the thirties.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like it was reminiscent, and it really felt

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<v Speaker 2>the same kind of energy. You know, I just I

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<v Speaker 2>sat there and I said to myself, this is just

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<v Speaker 2>really wild. Yeah, you know, it was just so wild

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<v Speaker 2>just to hear those sentiments and just hear the even

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<v Speaker 2>the crowd like agree with certain things. It's like, damn,

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<v Speaker 2>how do we live in America? Excuse me? The current

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<v Speaker 2>day of America. There are people that have this mind state,

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<v Speaker 2>like how do you how do you still share that

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<v Speaker 2>type of mind state as we've grown, like you you

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<v Speaker 2>would believe that.

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<v Speaker 3>America should have grown, right, you should.

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<v Speaker 2>We know there are pockets, right, we know there are

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<v Speaker 2>pockets of racism, but racism was so prevalent in that

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<v Speaker 2>room and in that space. The energy of it was

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<v Speaker 2>just like it's like unhinged, it's un bridged, is unhidden

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<v Speaker 2>KKK with no robes. It was just crazy to me

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<v Speaker 2>that a person that was running for presidency in a

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<v Speaker 2>race that people were saying is so close, that would

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<v Speaker 2>utilize that time for rally to cause that level of

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<v Speaker 2>dissension and division.

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<v Speaker 3>It just didn't make any sense to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, I would say that one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that was really disturbing for me was that during

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<v Speaker 1>these speeches where people are saying the most vile, disrespectful, racist,

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<v Speaker 1>ignorant lies by the way stating lies, you didn't see

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<v Speaker 1>a mass exodus of people leaving either, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're even in the room, if you're even in

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<v Speaker 1>the room, if you even take the time to go

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<v Speaker 1>to the rallies understanding who Trump is. You know, that

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<v Speaker 1>for me is problematic. But I still keep trying to

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<v Speaker 1>give people the benefit of the doubt that perhaps they

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, I don't know, maybe they're misinformation disinformation,

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe they're confused, you know, maybe they just think it's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>I still try to give people some benefit of doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I shouldn't, but nonetheless, something has to give

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<v Speaker 1>you the ability to coexist in the society where people

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<v Speaker 1>standing to your left and right that might be a

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<v Speaker 1>supporter of Trump or have been to a rally, and

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<v Speaker 1>you still got to like walk around through the world.

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<v Speaker 1>So I try to say to myself, they just ignorant

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. But you didn't see a mass exodus of

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<v Speaker 1>people walking out the building once those words were being stated,

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<v Speaker 1>and what Well, no, but it's not them, because remember,

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<v Speaker 1>the media is not just Fox News. Okay, it's all

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<v Speaker 1>media in these spaces like right, If there was a

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<v Speaker 1>mass exodus of people leaving, it would have been reported

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<v Speaker 1>because you have every media outlet in the press pool,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not just a Fox News network. Now. Fox

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<v Speaker 1>might have the best spot, they might be able to

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<v Speaker 1>get all the interviews afterwards and all of that, but

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<v Speaker 1>you have a lot of media outlets that are in

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<v Speaker 1>the presspool that are able to report, and there is

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<v Speaker 1>there was no mass exodus. There are not people online

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<v Speaker 1>today saying we left, we left, we left, we left,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least I haven't. I've not witnessed that, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But this is what I want to say. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how many people. I guess Madison Square Garden probably

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<v Speaker 1>holds like thirty five thousand people or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I probably all the way off on the numbers, but

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<v Speaker 1>they hold tens of thousands of people. Then they say

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<v Speaker 1>that there was another ten thousand people outside waiting to

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<v Speaker 1>get in. I just want people to know. These folks

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<v Speaker 1>are on the restaurants that cook food, They are teachers,

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<v Speaker 1>they are doctors, They are people who you see every

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<v Speaker 1>single day. So the folks who were at that rally,

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<v Speaker 1>the maybe fifty thousand people that were down there at

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<v Speaker 1>Madison Square Garden on last Sunday, those are people who

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<v Speaker 1>provide service for you. They're bankers, they are not These

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<v Speaker 1>are not people who live in the bottom of a

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<v Speaker 1>barrow somewhere. These are folks who are walking around every

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<v Speaker 1>single day with you. Again, doctors, lawyers, teachers, people educating

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<v Speaker 1>your children, people providing you services, people cooking your food,

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<v Speaker 1>people who absolutely hate you. And so I just, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just want to make sure that that's out there for folks,

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<v Speaker 1>so that people are not confused what you're looking at.

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<v Speaker 1>You are looking at fellow citizens who believe things about us,

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<v Speaker 1>things about our communities, things about people of color. That

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<v Speaker 1>it's vile and it fuels the hate that allows us

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<v Speaker 1>to oh, oh, oh, I left out a major category.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of them are police officers. So let's be clear

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<v Speaker 1>that when we're saying, oh, we're being killed disproportionately, or

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<v Speaker 1>we're being mistreated, or when we get to the hospital

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<v Speaker 1>we can't get the type of care that we're supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to have, that black infant mortality is an issue, that

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<v Speaker 1>there are other health concerns that our communities are people

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<v Speaker 1>are not being treated properly. The folks at the store

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<v Speaker 1>treat you disrespectfully. All of that is in the hearts

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<v Speaker 1>and mind of folks who went to that rally.

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<v Speaker 3>So just know that, I mean, I'm very clear of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't understand why people haven't been knowing these,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and it's sad that it's taking this time

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<v Speaker 2>and some people still, you know, they're gonna drink the

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<v Speaker 2>kool aid man. I said it on my Instagram page

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<v Speaker 2>yesterday that I really believe that this is an experiment.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, me and me and the producer. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>always having this conversation. A few minutes ago that somebody said,

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<v Speaker 2>I can prove to you that we can pick the

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<v Speaker 2>violenst lowest vibrational individual and put them out here disrespect

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<v Speaker 2>do everything and people still following both absolutely and because

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<v Speaker 2>there's no there's no other common sense answer for what

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<v Speaker 2>we're dealing with right now. There is absolutely, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so perplexed that the things that's happened, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>like it has to be this has to be an experiment.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody's gonna have to come out and say punk or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it does not America.

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<v Speaker 2>America is is no way that America is just bad

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just can't it is, And to some degree it's

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<v Speaker 1>gotten worse. And I think that President Obama's presidency was

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<v Speaker 1>like the beginning of a all out war on people

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<v Speaker 1>of color. That you know, we are still dealing with

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<v Speaker 1>the backlash of President Obama being elected to office and

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<v Speaker 1>having that black, strong black woman and those black daughters

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<v Speaker 1>and a black mother in law in the White House.

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<v Speaker 1>We are still dealing with the backlasher that I saw.

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<v Speaker 1>Eric Holder was at a rally for Kamala Harris the

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<v Speaker 1>other day, the black Attorney General who started and still

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<v Speaker 1>to this day talks about, uh, the issues of police

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<v Speaker 1>accountability and police violence in this country, dealing with criminal

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<v Speaker 1>justice reform. I mean, these are these are things that

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<v Speaker 1>they never wanted to see happen, and they were asleep

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<v Speaker 1>at the wheel. They believed that they had unmitigated power

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<v Speaker 1>and control, and then all of a sudden they woke up, like, oh, ship,

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<v Speaker 1>we let this hope and this we let this hope

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<v Speaker 1>and this energy get into our youth. This is why

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<v Speaker 1>they're targeting. And this is not just by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's be clear, this is not just about Democrats and Republicans.

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<v Speaker 1>This is white supremacy which exists in both parties, but

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<v Speaker 1>one party has it upfront out and it's it's the

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<v Speaker 1>exactly and it does not have space for any balance.

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<v Speaker 1>It is just what it is.

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<v Speaker 3>Started out, it started out in that form.

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<v Speaker 2>Like people always want to talk about the history of

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<v Speaker 2>the Republican Party, how it started out, the history, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the party of Abraham Lincoln that was for civil rights,

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<v Speaker 2>and we know all of that, but people actually act

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<v Speaker 2>like they forget when the parties flipped. They act like

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<v Speaker 2>they forgot when they decided that we're no longer going

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<v Speaker 2>to focus on civil rights anymore, and they started to

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<v Speaker 2>be way more conservative and started to fight against civil

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<v Speaker 2>rights and advancement of blacks, and therefore blacks shifted away

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<v Speaker 2>from that party. They pretty much pushed us out of

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<v Speaker 2>the Republican Party and we've rebuilt ourselves inside the Democratic

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<v Speaker 2>Party on our principal started electing our own government officials.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we have over two and three hundred elected officials

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<v Speaker 2>inside of a party that we've put into Like a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of us have literally been on the ground putting

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<v Speaker 2>these people into office.

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<v Speaker 3>We voted.

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<v Speaker 2>We know people that's been on the front line with us,

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<v Speaker 2>that have started out as activists, being in the same

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<v Speaker 2>trenches with us, that fought against that we've actually been

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<v Speaker 2>able to vote into power that we actually can go

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<v Speaker 2>to the office say these things are going on our communities.

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<v Speaker 3>It ain't know what's going on communities, and it's still.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of work to get what should be happening

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<v Speaker 1>from those individuals to become realized. I mean, even our

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<v Speaker 1>guest today is someone who uh you know, because of

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<v Speaker 1>the pushback on him speaking about issues, Uh, he lost

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<v Speaker 1>his election. Also, Corey Bush lost her re election. Bid.

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<v Speaker 1>You have the pressure, the the the unfortunate. What's the

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<v Speaker 1>word that I'm looking for, the the violence against threats

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<v Speaker 1>there you go to threats against people like aoc Rashida.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the list goes on and on right, and

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<v Speaker 1>so we know that there are people. There are good

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<v Speaker 1>people and people even before the squad, when you think

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<v Speaker 1>about Maxine Waters, Barbara Lee, Uh, these are people, Evett Clark,

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<v Speaker 1>these are people what's our brother's name from Indiana, good brother. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Congressman Andre Carson, these are good people. And I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>I'm missing a bunch of folks. Jasmine Crockett, these are

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<v Speaker 1>people who are They take fighting for black people and

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<v Speaker 1>brown people and marginalized communities very serious, but they are

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<v Speaker 1>often fighting against the wind because white supremacy has a

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<v Speaker 1>hold in all of these political parties, including the Green

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<v Speaker 1>Party right. And so as a result of you of

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<v Speaker 1>being or having this kind of like trifecta of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just in politics, but it's just like the society,

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<v Speaker 1>the politics, every little area, everywhere you go, everywhere you

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<v Speaker 1>time great, you're fighting against white supremacy, and that makes

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<v Speaker 1>it really difficult to get things done. We have to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out what it looks like to respond to this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and really fight and tear down the these walls

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<v Speaker 1>that have been built around us that are literally choking

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<v Speaker 1>the life out of our communities. And that brings me

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<v Speaker 1>to my thought of the day. So, you know, over

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<v Speaker 1>these last few days, the big takeaway up from the

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<v Speaker 1>rally is that three individuals endorsed Kamala Harris. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>Bad Bunny, j Loo and Ricky Martin. Now, Bad Bunny

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<v Speaker 1>has forty five million followers, Jalo has two hundred and

0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:33.280
<v Speaker 1>fifty million followers, and Ricky Martin has let's see, eighteen

0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:36.240
<v Speaker 1>million follows. This is a lot of people that they

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<v Speaker 1>have now you know, come forward to try to influence

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<v Speaker 1>to vote for Kamala Harris. I have a serious problem

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<v Speaker 1>with that. Well, for one, I'm trying. I get that

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<v Speaker 1>in the last days that's when you really really win elections,

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<v Speaker 1>like right, and that final stretch, those last two to

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<v Speaker 1>three weeks and those last days, that's when the pressure

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<v Speaker 1>is really on. All the ads are on TV, people

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<v Speaker 1>are endorsing, rallies are happening, right, And that's why it's

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<v Speaker 1>so good that this MAGA rally took place when it did,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's the last few days and as people make

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<v Speaker 1>those final decisions or people who were like, oh I

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<v Speaker 1>ain't even I ain't even thinking about oh shoot, oh

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<v Speaker 1>that's right, I gotta go vote. So it's always good.

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<v Speaker 1>But there has been misinformation, disrespect, racism, vileness, and every

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<v Speaker 1>hate happening for a long time, and these three individuals

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<v Speaker 1>have now decided that they want to come forward. And

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<v Speaker 1>my issue is that I don't like the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>we can sit back and only make a move when

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<v Speaker 1>something happens to our people, when we don't see the

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<v Speaker 1>humanity in other people enough to say, well, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>like it when they was talking about black women, so

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<v Speaker 1>I was going, I'm gonna make an endorsement. Now, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't like the fact that they're run around on Kamala

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<v Speaker 1>Harris names, saying that she's a whore, that she's a count.

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<v Speaker 1>All of this stuff was going on prior prior. Just

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<v Speaker 1>so we're clear, this stuff was happening prior to the

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<v Speaker 1>moment when Puerto Rico became an issue, which for me

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<v Speaker 1>that like, it really hurt me to hear them speak

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<v Speaker 1>about the people of Puerto Rico and the island of

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<v Speaker 1>Puerto Rico the way that they did. That hurt me.

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<v Speaker 1>But just like, I stand up for the Palestinian people

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<v Speaker 1>because as we see they're being demonized, there was a

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<v Speaker 1>target put on their back in this same rally. As

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<v Speaker 1>we see that for us, our humanity tells us that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm there for every single community that is being mistreated,

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<v Speaker 1>or if people are speaking about these people in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that puts a target on them, I feel it's

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<v Speaker 1>an issue for me. I may not be a member

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<v Speaker 1>of the lgbtqi A community, but guess what, I still

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<v Speaker 1>hear and feel and understand when people are targeting them immigrants.

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<v Speaker 1>I see that. So I'm just trying to understand what

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<v Speaker 1>was happening for the last several months as we saw

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<v Speaker 1>these people pick off the Haitians, was eating dogs. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>there's been so many things and I just feel like

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<v Speaker 1>we need to be more responsible. Sure, I'm glad that

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<v Speaker 1>they endorse. I'm of course i am. I'm so glad.

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<v Speaker 1>It was so good to see. Okay, these are powerful

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<v Speaker 1>individuals in a community that really needs the information, and

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<v Speaker 1>I know that these are people they follow, So I'm

0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:35.240
<v Speaker 1>glad that they did. That's not the point. But my

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<v Speaker 1>thing is we got to stop waiting until our name

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<v Speaker 1>is called specifically and not seeing the humanity of the

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<v Speaker 1>other person sitting right next to you who's being demonized.

0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:48.000
<v Speaker 1>Because the one thing that we know is that white

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<v Speaker 1>supremacy does not have limits and bounds. It is only

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<v Speaker 1>for white men for the most part. Right it is

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<v Speaker 1>to uphold the power of white men. So guess what,

0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:02.600
<v Speaker 1>white women who are losing their rights in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>their physical autonomy to make just decisions about their body,

0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:09.520
<v Speaker 1>guess what, Ricky Martin and bad Bunny, I need you

0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:12.399
<v Speaker 1>to care about that. Now. Perhaps I didn't hear before

0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.600
<v Speaker 1>that they had already said things for Kamala. Perhaps you

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<v Speaker 1>know I missed it, But it seems that after the

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<v Speaker 1>statement about the Puerto Rican people and the island of

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<v Speaker 1>Puerto Rico, now the whole world is seeing what black

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<v Speaker 1>women have been saying. We've been on the top of

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<v Speaker 1>buildings going yo, yo, check them out. The racists. They're dangerous.

0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:38.639
<v Speaker 1>They coming for all of us. So I just hope

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<v Speaker 1>that we can find a way to say when I

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<v Speaker 1>see you disrespect my sign, then I'm not gonna let

0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:49.440
<v Speaker 1>you get to me. You're not even gonna get to me.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just wanna say one thing. It's very similar

0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:55.760
<v Speaker 1>to the whole thing that happened with us at American Airlines.

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<v Speaker 1>Right then I see all these people being like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>American analyzes is the worst They did this to me?

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<v Speaker 1>They did that to me. Well, guess what we told y'all,

0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:09.879
<v Speaker 1>what they did to us, We told you, and you

0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:13.680
<v Speaker 1>ran on over there act ignoring what we went through

0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:16.600
<v Speaker 1>and just going on about your business. We told you

0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:19.679
<v Speaker 1>Gucci was out here being racist with that sweater that

0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:22.639
<v Speaker 1>they put out there. We done told you that Nike

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<v Speaker 1>had they severed their relationship with Kyrie Irvin and for

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<v Speaker 1>no reason at all, just disrespected this black man. For

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<v Speaker 1>no reason at all, We told you these things, and

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<v Speaker 1>guess what people be like. That's not my problem. I

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<v Speaker 1>got nothing to do with that. And you keep on

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<v Speaker 1>until eventually the pendulum swings in your direction.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's that's just a reality that we deal with.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I was having a conversation with some I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to bring up the individual's name, but individual

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<v Speaker 2>was talking about how they came forward and said that

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<v Speaker 2>they were supporting Kamala Harris, Kamala Kamala Lah and the

0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:01.359
<v Speaker 2>individual came forward until how they was taught they was

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<v Speaker 2>going to support Kamala Harris and when they said it,

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<v Speaker 2>they lost five to six thousand followers instantly. And the

0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:14.639
<v Speaker 2>person said, they just got quiet because you know, I

0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:17.080
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to deal with that, and then they was like,

0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:19.040
<v Speaker 2>I commend you for being able to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>And I've lost followers.

0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:23.080
<v Speaker 2>I've lost probably about eight nine thousand followers, and that

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<v Speaker 2>made me more.

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<v Speaker 3>That made me.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it because now I just I don't want

0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:32.520
<v Speaker 2>you all to follow me anyway. Whoever, everybody who unfollowed

0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:35.560
<v Speaker 2>me because I was I was ten toes down for

0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:37.480
<v Speaker 2>a black woman. I said, this is who I stand for.

0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:40.199
<v Speaker 2>Everybody who un follow me, you wasn't supposed to be

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<v Speaker 2>it anyway, because obviously you thought I stood for something

0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:45.119
<v Speaker 2>that I didn't stand for anyway, So you was actually

0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:47.720
<v Speaker 2>following the wrong person. So that was perfect for me.

0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:50.280
<v Speaker 2>But everybody's not willing to do that to me because

0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:53.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, when we're talking about they said, Michael Jordan said,

0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:54.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, when he was they was asking about things,

0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:58.080
<v Speaker 2>he said, well, Republicans buy shoes too, right, So this

0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:00.240
<v Speaker 2>is how people feel. And a lot of these people, look,

0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:05.080
<v Speaker 2>you said, one hundred million followers, their publicists is telling them,

0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:05.600
<v Speaker 2>don't get.

0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:08.080
<v Speaker 1>Involved in politics, stay away from politics.

0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:10.719
<v Speaker 2>And because at the end of this is a reality

0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:14.200
<v Speaker 2>of situation. So what happens is it becomes when it

0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:16.960
<v Speaker 2>starts to get personal. For them when they see the

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<v Speaker 2>direct attack on them, even if they was on the

0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:21.600
<v Speaker 2>edge before, they were sitting there and saying I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to do it.

0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:24.000
<v Speaker 3>Now they personalize it.

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, that's the world we live in, you know, And

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<v Speaker 2>and we have to I say all the time, don't

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<v Speaker 2>wait till somebody do something to your kids to be

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<v Speaker 2>out here protested in Marshall and say something that because

0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:35.920
<v Speaker 2>you gonna want us, because there's a lot of people

0:22:35.920 --> 0:22:38.639
<v Speaker 2>that say, you know, I don't do those politics, this

0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:43.040
<v Speaker 2>and that. Unfortunately we talk about we're talking about young thug,

0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:45.439
<v Speaker 2>Young Doug is facing the system right now, right and

0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:48.200
<v Speaker 2>he's and everybody saying yo, this and that Young Doug. God,

0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:50.440
<v Speaker 2>when they were saying, yo, what's going with Black Lives matter?

0:22:50.480 --> 0:22:52.240
<v Speaker 2>Young thusts, I don't. I don't want to. I' gottahe

0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:54.040
<v Speaker 2>to do with that, you know, So I don't. And

0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:57.080
<v Speaker 2>that's how he felt. But I guarantee right now he

0:22:57.119 --> 0:22:59.040
<v Speaker 2>wants black people to stand up for him and see

0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:01.919
<v Speaker 2>the injustice that's did with them. And unfortunately, that's what

0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:05.359
<v Speaker 2>we deal with in society. So because we've dealt with

0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:07.440
<v Speaker 2>this and we know exactly what's come with it, we've

0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:09.560
<v Speaker 2>made out. We made a decision, and this is the

0:23:09.600 --> 0:23:11.280
<v Speaker 2>calling on our life to make sure that we send

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<v Speaker 2>up for people. We see things through a different lens,

0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:17.080
<v Speaker 2>and unfortunately everybody's not gonna see I just hope that

0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:19.080
<v Speaker 2>they see it before it's too late, you know what

0:23:19.119 --> 0:23:20.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, Because it's.

0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Gonna be too late. Yeah, And in this situation, I

0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:27.080
<v Speaker 1>hope because a lot of people have voted already. So

0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:31.119
<v Speaker 1>when you, as a you know, a j LO, you

0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:36.879
<v Speaker 1>come out days into early voting, that's dangerous because people

0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:41.560
<v Speaker 1>have already been out there casting their ballots or somebody

0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:45.919
<v Speaker 1>who didn't have an opportunity to see all of the details.

0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:49.040
<v Speaker 1>Like I really did think it's no way that everybody

0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:53.240
<v Speaker 1>doesn't know who these people are. But I'm realizing a

0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:56.520
<v Speaker 1>lot of people don't know, Like they don't see it

0:23:56.560 --> 0:24:00.880
<v Speaker 1>because their algorithm. A lot of people follow stupidity, right.

0:24:00.960 --> 0:24:03.439
<v Speaker 1>The algorithm picks up on the type of stuff that

0:24:03.520 --> 0:24:06.239
<v Speaker 1>you stop them. So when you're scrolling, I told you

0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:10.200
<v Speaker 1>I used to be scrolling all the time looking at rats,

0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:12.960
<v Speaker 1>like trying to understand what's going on with the rats

0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:15.520
<v Speaker 1>in New York City and other places. I was really

0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:18.920
<v Speaker 1>deeply trying to figure out what do we do to

0:24:18.920 --> 0:24:22.960
<v Speaker 1>conquer this issue on rats, and my algorithm started pushing

0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:26.800
<v Speaker 1>the craziest videos to me. I had to change it.

0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:29.560
<v Speaker 1>By as soon as I see it, I just keep going,

0:24:29.880 --> 0:24:32.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't share it. I don't do any of that anymore.

0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:34.359
<v Speaker 1>And now it's out of my algorithm. So if you

0:24:34.480 --> 0:24:40.000
<v Speaker 1>out there following you know, Kevin Samuels, right, if that's

0:24:40.040 --> 0:24:43.000
<v Speaker 1>your main type of person. And I'm not saying I

0:24:43.040 --> 0:24:45.399
<v Speaker 1>am not here today to get into a debate about

0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:48.240
<v Speaker 1>Kevin Samuels, but I'm just saying, if you are a

0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:51.800
<v Speaker 1>person who follows somebody like Kevin Samuels, God rest his soul.

0:24:52.280 --> 0:24:55.680
<v Speaker 1>And then you start, you know, getting a lot of

0:24:55.920 --> 0:24:59.960
<v Speaker 1>other podcasts and whatnot where they're saying things about women,

0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:03.440
<v Speaker 1>and that may not be favorable, it is coming because

0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:07.520
<v Speaker 1>the algorithm has decided this is the content you want now.

0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:09.919
<v Speaker 1>And now you're at the point of an election, and

0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:12.360
<v Speaker 1>maybe you're not that seri into it, but you do

0:25:12.400 --> 0:25:16.199
<v Speaker 1>feel like women don't ever admit when they're wrong, and

0:25:16.280 --> 0:25:19.280
<v Speaker 1>some of these women think that they so fly and

0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:22.680
<v Speaker 1>man nine and you might have some of those thoughts,

0:25:23.000 --> 0:25:25.040
<v Speaker 1>and then you watch a little bit, a little bit.

0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:28.040
<v Speaker 1>So now you up to the point where Kamala Harris

0:25:28.119 --> 0:25:30.919
<v Speaker 1>isn't black. She slept her way to the time, she

0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:34.320
<v Speaker 1>this and that like anything, she's stupid. Look at her,

0:25:34.400 --> 0:25:38.960
<v Speaker 1>because now your algorithm has decided, it's determined that this

0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:41.560
<v Speaker 1>is the type of feedback that you want. So no,

0:25:41.720 --> 0:25:44.240
<v Speaker 1>it's not going to push to you that Trump said

0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 1>something about whoever, or that he was throwing paper towels

0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:50.000
<v Speaker 1>at the Puerto Ricans. It's not going to show you that,

0:25:50.240 --> 0:25:52.520
<v Speaker 1>you know. So anyway, it is what it is. It's

0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:55.520
<v Speaker 1>very very very interesting out here. So let's talk about

0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:58.600
<v Speaker 1>CMI today. What was too much? The rally was all

0:25:58.640 --> 0:26:01.080
<v Speaker 1>the way too much, right. I didn't even want to

0:26:01.080 --> 0:26:04.240
<v Speaker 1>get into comedians because somebody tried to say to me, well,

0:26:04.800 --> 0:26:07.800
<v Speaker 1>you all, this is my social media. You all have

0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:12.159
<v Speaker 1>black comedians that say things that hurt people, are so

0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:16.639
<v Speaker 1>disrespectful whatever, whatever. They don't get to speak at the

0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:21.919
<v Speaker 1>rally for Kamala Harris or any other political person, except

0:26:22.400 --> 0:26:26.760
<v Speaker 1>they don't get an invitation or allowed to speak in

0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:30.720
<v Speaker 1>those types of spaces. Right, this was a rally for

0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:34.480
<v Speaker 1>somebody who's supposed to be running for president of everybody,

0:26:35.040 --> 0:26:37.439
<v Speaker 1>not just one group. Of people. So you would not

0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:42.400
<v Speaker 1>have a comedian like XYZ, black person, brown person, anybody

0:26:42.400 --> 0:26:45.680
<v Speaker 1>else on the stage at Kamala Harris's rally because they're

0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:48.200
<v Speaker 1>not going to allow you to either go off script

0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:52.720
<v Speaker 1>or even for who you are to be associated with

0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:55.879
<v Speaker 1>them and their campaign. They wouldn't have me and you

0:26:56.040 --> 0:27:01.800
<v Speaker 1>up there speaking. Why because we are extremely prop pro Palestinian, right.

0:27:02.000 --> 0:27:06.359
<v Speaker 1>We have challenged the Democratic Party. They know that we have.

0:27:06.600 --> 0:27:09.120
<v Speaker 1>We fall out with them all the time, so they're

0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:11.560
<v Speaker 1>not gonna put us up there to speak. They're gonna

0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:14.360
<v Speaker 1>have certain types of people because they know that they

0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:18.960
<v Speaker 1>have to contained the message exactly at their rally. So

0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:21.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm not even gonna get into the comedian piece, right,

0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:25.520
<v Speaker 1>but I will say that Giuliani, right, the former mayor

0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:29.320
<v Speaker 1>of New York, who also has to turn over his

0:27:29.440 --> 0:27:32.359
<v Speaker 1>apartment and whatever assets he has because he doesn't have

0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:36.680
<v Speaker 1>enough money to pay the black women that he targeted

0:27:36.760 --> 0:27:40.280
<v Speaker 1>in Georgia, the two women who were pole workers who

0:27:40.359 --> 0:27:44.080
<v Speaker 1>started getting death threats because of this vile nature of

0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:48.200
<v Speaker 1>how he spoke about them at rallies and in other places.

0:27:48.200 --> 0:27:51.520
<v Speaker 1>They were being harassed. And it was because of Giuliani

0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:54.720
<v Speaker 1>that this happened. By the way, Giuliani has done this,

0:27:54.880 --> 0:27:57.560
<v Speaker 1>not just to those women, but he's done it as

0:27:57.600 --> 0:28:00.480
<v Speaker 1>the mayor of New York City. We know him if

0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:02.520
<v Speaker 1>it were not for the fact that nine to eleven

0:28:02.640 --> 0:28:06.040
<v Speaker 1>happened while he was mayor, right, that is what basically

0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:08.560
<v Speaker 1>saved him, because while he was mayor and nine to

0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:12.120
<v Speaker 1>eleven took place, he had no choice, just like Andrew

0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:15.320
<v Speaker 1>Cuomo when COVID happened. And everybody's sitting there watching TV

0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:18.400
<v Speaker 1>to all, we love Andrew Cromo. He's amazing. No, no,

0:28:18.440 --> 0:28:22.640
<v Speaker 1>you don't know his politics prior to this natural disaster,

0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:25.959
<v Speaker 1>which has required him to have to step up and

0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:28.000
<v Speaker 1>do what he needs to do on behalf of all

0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:30.800
<v Speaker 1>New Yorkers. But prior to that, Andrew Cromo was playing

0:28:31.000 --> 0:28:34.920
<v Speaker 1>a game with black and brown people, causing division amongst

0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:37.439
<v Speaker 1>us in our community. And let's not talk about what

0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:40.400
<v Speaker 1>these women are saying took place in the office space, right.

0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:43.800
<v Speaker 1>So same thing with Giuliani. He was a race a

0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:48.160
<v Speaker 1>raging racist as mayor of New York City. I remember

0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:52.040
<v Speaker 1>my parents were out there fighting against Giuliani. So now

0:28:52.240 --> 0:28:54.959
<v Speaker 1>you know too much, too much. He could have went

0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:57.240
<v Speaker 1>out there and said a whole bunch of racist things.

0:28:57.640 --> 0:29:01.400
<v Speaker 1>What would make you especially this is so crazy to me.

0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:08.120
<v Speaker 1>This is so crazy to me. You want your candidate

0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:11.800
<v Speaker 1>to win, and y'all clearly have worked up a scheme

0:29:11.960 --> 0:29:15.640
<v Speaker 1>to get Arab people, some folks in the Arab community

0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:21.080
<v Speaker 1>to stand with your guy. Just a couple of days ago,

0:29:21.600 --> 0:29:25.600
<v Speaker 1>there were Arab people standing with him. Why would you

0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:29.280
<v Speaker 1>come out on stage and say that two year old

0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:33.200
<v Speaker 1>Palestinian children are taught to kill Americans And it might

0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:35.520
<v Speaker 1>be a few of them, but I'm not taking any

0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:38.920
<v Speaker 1>chances they they basically are taught to kill us, and

0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:42.280
<v Speaker 1>they're evil. What would make like this?

0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:42.000
<v Speaker 3>This?

0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:44.000
<v Speaker 1>This was so dumb.

0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:46.480
<v Speaker 2>It's not even just dumb, it's it's who you are.

0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 2>You can't you can't hide who you are at the base,

0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:51.800
<v Speaker 2>at the core of who you are. You can do

0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:54.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, you can hide it for a little while,

0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:55.800
<v Speaker 2>you could try to be quiet, but at the base

0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:58.239
<v Speaker 2>in the court, especially when you're in a room and

0:29:58.320 --> 0:30:01.520
<v Speaker 2>you feel comfortable, right, that's what happens when you feel

0:30:01.520 --> 0:30:04.000
<v Speaker 2>comfortable in the space and you see the energy and

0:30:04.240 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 2>energy is this is what the people feel. When he

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:08.600
<v Speaker 2>said that, you see how the peoples like, yeah, they

0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:11.800
<v Speaker 2>cheer because that's how they feel. This is how they feel.

0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:13.640
<v Speaker 2>This is a room full of people that feel that

0:30:13.760 --> 0:30:16.880
<v Speaker 2>that is the sentiment that they have. And they said,

0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:19.360
<v Speaker 2>this is what Trump feels, and that's why they follow

0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:21.680
<v Speaker 2>Trump because they know that's what Trump feels. So the

0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:24.480
<v Speaker 2>reality is God was just doing God's work. He was

0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:28.479
<v Speaker 2>exposing the person before you so you can see. Don't listen.

0:30:28.640 --> 0:30:31.720
<v Speaker 2>A snake has a split tongue. So when you listen

0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:34.080
<v Speaker 2>to the split tongue snake, they might they might woo

0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:36.040
<v Speaker 2>you with a little bit. They gonna show you exactly

0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:38.440
<v Speaker 2>who they are. And that's what that was. Julianni was

0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:41.720
<v Speaker 2>being exactly who he was, exactly who he's always been.

0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:45.080
<v Speaker 2>And I hope that everybody's seen it. But you know,

0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:48.720
<v Speaker 2>we got the you know, the kool aid sippers that's

0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:51.720
<v Speaker 2>still gonna say, no, he don't, he ain't Trump, That

0:30:51.760 --> 0:30:54.479
<v Speaker 2>ain't what Trump think. Yeah, the whole the whole audience

0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:57.040
<v Speaker 2>when he said this is what Trump think. He said,

0:30:57.120 --> 0:30:58.360
<v Speaker 2>this is how Trump feels.

0:30:58.680 --> 0:31:01.160
<v Speaker 1>And everybody screaming, I wasn't even paying yea.

0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:03.720
<v Speaker 3>He said that, he said Trump, this is how Trump feels.

0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you know, like the reason why I'm giving

0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:12.000
<v Speaker 1>them TMI for today is because as a political strategist,

0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:13.480
<v Speaker 1>as a movement.

0:31:13.080 --> 0:31:15.960
<v Speaker 3>Strategy, it was just it was just inso much.

0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:20.920
<v Speaker 1>But as a political strategist, as a movement strategist, you're

0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:25.760
<v Speaker 1>supposed to know. You're supposed to know. We got days left,

0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:29.680
<v Speaker 1>no reason to go upset it. Kamala Harris is already

0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:34.480
<v Speaker 1>dealing with her own support for Israel and the fact

0:31:34.480 --> 0:31:37.800
<v Speaker 1>that you know her, the administration that she's a part

0:31:37.880 --> 0:31:41.120
<v Speaker 1>of is continuing to drop bombs on the people of

0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Palestine now, the people of Lebanon, Like she's already up

0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:48.280
<v Speaker 1>dealing with that. She already damn ned didn't get our

0:31:48.360 --> 0:31:52.000
<v Speaker 1>support because of it, right, so they didn't need to

0:31:52.040 --> 0:31:54.160
<v Speaker 1>do any work. So that was just too much, Like

0:31:54.240 --> 0:32:01.160
<v Speaker 1>it was TMI too much for Juliani to set which which,

0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:03.880
<v Speaker 1>by the way, it must be stated that what he

0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:07.960
<v Speaker 1>said is a damn lie. We know Palestinians. We have

0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:12.520
<v Speaker 1>been working with Palestinian woman Linda Sarsour, who has an

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:19.400
<v Speaker 1>incredible family of Palestinians. We've been to family occasions, we've

0:32:19.440 --> 0:32:24.240
<v Speaker 1>been to Palestine. Ain't no two year old child learning

0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:29.280
<v Speaker 1>to kill Americans. That is a bold face lie. So

0:32:29.720 --> 0:32:32.240
<v Speaker 1>that's that. That's why it's t m I first of all.

0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:35.640
<v Speaker 1>But beyond that, you should have tucked your racism because

0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:38.360
<v Speaker 1>you only have a few more days that you would

0:32:38.360 --> 0:32:42.080
<v Speaker 1>have been able to maybe keep some people around that issue.

0:32:42.240 --> 0:32:45.120
<v Speaker 2>You help yourself. Man, Racism gonna is gonna bust out

0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:49.239
<v Speaker 2>at the scene. White supremacy isn't the is the It

0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:53.320
<v Speaker 2>is the ideology that you are so superior to everybody

0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:55.680
<v Speaker 2>that you don't have to value them right so that

0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:57.360
<v Speaker 2>you can actually say what you want.

0:32:57.400 --> 0:32:58.479
<v Speaker 3>That's why it shows up.

0:32:58.520 --> 0:33:01.640
<v Speaker 2>You can't really hide weiser from because they made up

0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:05.400
<v Speaker 2>in their mind that they can go unchecked right right there.

0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:08.240
<v Speaker 3>And when you in a room with otherwise and premise

0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:09.480
<v Speaker 3>it just.

0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:12.360
<v Speaker 1>Like that's like, yeah, you gave them. They had so

0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:16.560
<v Speaker 1>much energy in there and that happened. Yo. That is

0:33:16.600 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 1>a real things. I have been at rally's before when

0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:22.720
<v Speaker 1>I had talking points that I know I'm supposed to

0:33:22.720 --> 0:33:25.520
<v Speaker 1>stick to, but it's still other stuff in my mind,

0:33:25.720 --> 0:33:27.960
<v Speaker 1>like other stuff that I know I'm not supposed to say,

0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:31.440
<v Speaker 1>and because the energy is so crazy. In fact, I

0:33:31.520 --> 0:33:35.200
<v Speaker 1>talk about one incident that took place when I was

0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:38.680
<v Speaker 1>working at National Action Network as a younger activist. It

0:33:38.720 --> 0:33:42.120
<v Speaker 1>was during the time of Trayvon Martin. I got so excited,

0:33:42.240 --> 0:33:44.480
<v Speaker 1>and you have to read it in the book to

0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:47.600
<v Speaker 1>know exactly what I did. A baby. My tongue was

0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:50.920
<v Speaker 1>ready to go because people were standing on their feet,

0:33:51.360 --> 0:33:53.960
<v Speaker 1>screaming and yelling, and then it was just coming out

0:33:54.000 --> 0:33:56.880
<v Speaker 1>because that's how I really felt. But it was inappropriate,

0:33:57.160 --> 0:33:59.520
<v Speaker 1>more more than likely. I mean, I still think I

0:33:59.520 --> 0:34:01.640
<v Speaker 1>should have been able to say that and more. But

0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:04.480
<v Speaker 1>I do know that it was the wrong environment because

0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:06.920
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't my rally right, it's not my mic. And

0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:11.200
<v Speaker 1>the problem is that my boss at the time, Reverend Sharpton,

0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:16.000
<v Speaker 1>had already been involved in another incident where he was

0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:19.439
<v Speaker 1>charged with inciting violence, and it became a whole thing.

0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:22.839
<v Speaker 1>And so when you speaking on somebody else's microsphone where

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:25.720
<v Speaker 1>they're paying the bills and they're doing you know, they're

0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:27.840
<v Speaker 1>in charge, and the heat will come to them, you

0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:29.759
<v Speaker 1>gotta be careful. You got to have your own mic

0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:31.879
<v Speaker 1>to speak how you want. So you know, I don't

0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:34.319
<v Speaker 1>think what I said was wrong, but the time and

0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:37.359
<v Speaker 1>the place for where I did it, it definitely caused me.

0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:39.719
<v Speaker 3>It was it was politically incorrect.

0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:43.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was a little well, you got to read

0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:44.160
<v Speaker 1>the book.

0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:46.719
<v Speaker 3>What's the name of the book again, I live to

0:34:46.719 --> 0:34:47.279
<v Speaker 3>tell the story.

0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:54.240
<v Speaker 2>It should be out, yes, yes, So my real music Spotlight,

0:34:54.280 --> 0:34:57.319
<v Speaker 2>it's based on something that you sent me, right, you know.

0:34:57.400 --> 0:35:00.720
<v Speaker 2>I you know, I've always liked a lot of Little

0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:04.120
<v Speaker 2>Dirk's music. I've watched him evolve as an artist, you know,

0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:06.439
<v Speaker 2>I've studied him, I've watched him.

0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:06.960
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:10.080
<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, in last week, we've seen that he just was

0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:16.480
<v Speaker 2>arrested on federal indictment for actually attempting to pay somebody

0:35:17.160 --> 0:35:22.759
<v Speaker 2>conspiracy mur murdifa Hi, conspiracy for murder for hind We

0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:23.440
<v Speaker 2>just seen that.

0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:24.239
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:35:24.400 --> 0:35:28.480
<v Speaker 2>It's it's very unfortunate because I've been watching Dirk evolve.

0:35:29.160 --> 0:35:31.879
<v Speaker 2>I watched him go from one of the main drill

0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:34.680
<v Speaker 2>rappers who is you know, connected to all types of

0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:39.880
<v Speaker 2>negativity to you know, transformed, transformed to.

0:35:42.640 --> 0:35:43.000
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:45.840
<v Speaker 2>I watched him going from a drill rapper who was

0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:49.360
<v Speaker 2>involved in everything, a young boy who was procerated, you know,

0:35:49.360 --> 0:35:51.360
<v Speaker 2>who had a track record for a lot of things,

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:56.440
<v Speaker 2>to evolving and actually converting to Islam. You know, his

0:35:56.520 --> 0:35:58.680
<v Speaker 2>father had that Big Dirk had did a bunch of

0:35:58.719 --> 0:36:01.040
<v Speaker 2>times came home and you had seen him on a

0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:04.560
<v Speaker 2>proper trajectory, you know, him speaking properly, say he didn't

0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:08.240
<v Speaker 2>want to be associated with anything negative, and to see

0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:11.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, this happened to him at this time, which

0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:13.920
<v Speaker 2>it usually does, you know, karma catch up.

0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:16.120
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I can't speak what happened.

0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:19.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know specifics, but I just know it's really

0:36:19.080 --> 0:36:22.840
<v Speaker 2>unfortunate just to constantly just keep watching these young boys

0:36:22.880 --> 0:36:25.400
<v Speaker 2>going to jail and be a young boy. It's supposed

0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:28.080
<v Speaker 2>to be in jail for guncharged, and they just had

0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:30.839
<v Speaker 2>their thing, and then you know, just all this negativity

0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:32.320
<v Speaker 2>around these young artists.

0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:35.240
<v Speaker 3>It is just it is deflating. And I've been saying

0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:35.560
<v Speaker 3>it a.

0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Lot that you know, I hate the fact that these

0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:42.279
<v Speaker 2>artists only get the spotlight or get people to pay

0:36:42.280 --> 0:36:45.319
<v Speaker 2>attention to them because they're talking about beef, you know.

0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:48.480
<v Speaker 3>In the drill scene. That's what it takes.

0:36:48.480 --> 0:36:50.359
<v Speaker 2>You know, if you're not talking about real beef that

0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:53.320
<v Speaker 2>you have, you're not describing a real shooting or killing,

0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:56.279
<v Speaker 2>if you're not smoking on the ops, if you're not

0:36:56.320 --> 0:36:59.439
<v Speaker 2>doing that negativity, they're not even grabbing you. That's where

0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:02.200
<v Speaker 2>the buzz comes from now, And I hate that because

0:37:02.200 --> 0:37:04.239
<v Speaker 2>that only ends up one way, and we see it

0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:07.319
<v Speaker 2>constantly happen, you know, young Floer k Flock and all

0:37:07.320 --> 0:37:10.320
<v Speaker 2>these people just constantly what you know, we talk about

0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:13.319
<v Speaker 2>the six nons and we just constantly keep seeing the

0:37:13.360 --> 0:37:16.600
<v Speaker 2>same train wreck happen over and over for these young boys.

0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:18.719
<v Speaker 2>But you sent me a song, I guess when you

0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:22.120
<v Speaker 2>heard about you and you started listening, and I had

0:37:22.200 --> 0:37:28.160
<v Speaker 2>heard the song before, but it really resonated now, right,

0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:30.840
<v Speaker 2>and it was Federal Nightmas. I think you should everybody

0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:34.920
<v Speaker 2>should listen to it. It talks about the reality of

0:37:35.360 --> 0:37:37.719
<v Speaker 2>when you in these streets and things have happened and

0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:40.120
<v Speaker 2>you have a nightmares that the Feds are gonna come

0:37:40.120 --> 0:37:43.080
<v Speaker 2>get you. And it's pretty much like he spoke this

0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:46.160
<v Speaker 2>into existence, the reality he was talking about how his

0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:49.759
<v Speaker 2>friend couldn't even look at him on his stand, has

0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:52.480
<v Speaker 2>he beene told on him? And you know, and allegedly

0:37:53.000 --> 0:37:55.560
<v Speaker 2>one of his close friends who he actually gave money

0:37:55.960 --> 0:37:58.240
<v Speaker 2>he came home and brought them houses and did things,

0:37:58.520 --> 0:38:01.480
<v Speaker 2>who was a friend for him, was being a wire

0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:04.200
<v Speaker 2>for about two years, you know. And he's the person

0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:07.640
<v Speaker 2>that you know, ultimately got him arrested. You know, I

0:38:07.640 --> 0:38:10.359
<v Speaker 2>don't know what he did. You know, you know, at

0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:12.680
<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, we have to be held

0:38:12.680 --> 0:38:15.879
<v Speaker 2>accountable for our actions and those realities. But it's just

0:38:15.960 --> 0:38:21.560
<v Speaker 2>so unfortunate to just constantly watch our youth, our young stars,

0:38:22.080 --> 0:38:24.239
<v Speaker 2>up and coming stars. Because Dirk was a star. Like

0:38:24.480 --> 0:38:27.239
<v Speaker 2>he was speaking and he was you could hear the evolution.

0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:29.479
<v Speaker 2>And that's what I always talk about. They talk about

0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:31.600
<v Speaker 2>these young kids, and I'm like, you have to give

0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:34.160
<v Speaker 2>us an You got to give us an opportunity evolved.

0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:36.040
<v Speaker 2>You know, I came into this game as mice an

0:38:36.160 --> 0:38:38.600
<v Speaker 2>left the gun and the right pomp and this evolution.

0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:41.799
<v Speaker 2>You know, Malcolm X was Detroit Red. Like, there's a

0:38:41.840 --> 0:38:45.920
<v Speaker 2>process of evolution, and it's so unfortunate that as these

0:38:46.040 --> 0:38:49.600
<v Speaker 2>kids constantly evolve, they get snatched out of their prime

0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:51.000
<v Speaker 2>and they get snatched out of the world.

0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:55.160
<v Speaker 3>So, you know, I'm hoping the best. You know, Dirk

0:38:55.280 --> 0:38:55.960
<v Speaker 3>keeps his head up.

0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:58.760
<v Speaker 2>But I need everybody listen to this Federal nightment, especially

0:38:58.800 --> 0:39:02.400
<v Speaker 2>if you're a young kid in these streets involved in

0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:06.799
<v Speaker 2>different things and you don't understand the ramifications and the

0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:10.040
<v Speaker 2>realities of what's going on in this lifestyle. This is

0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:11.840
<v Speaker 2>something I need you to listen to because it's a

0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:15.680
<v Speaker 2>real thing, and it actually came to exactly how he

0:39:15.760 --> 0:39:16.400
<v Speaker 2>spoke about it.

0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I heard that song as I was

0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:21.840
<v Speaker 1>laying in the bed. I wanted to learn more about it.

0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:24.239
<v Speaker 1>I went down a rabbit hole, and you know, I

0:39:24.280 --> 0:39:27.920
<v Speaker 1>don't listen to a lot of drill music. I'm sure

0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:30.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't even really know what drill music is.

0:39:31.000 --> 0:39:33.080
<v Speaker 1>That's different from some of the other stuff. I guess

0:39:33.160 --> 0:39:35.440
<v Speaker 1>I do, but I really don't enough that I can say, oh,

0:39:35.480 --> 0:39:40.120
<v Speaker 1>that's drill. But you know, I wanted to just understand

0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:43.360
<v Speaker 1>what happened to this young man. That's just something we

0:39:43.560 --> 0:39:46.160
<v Speaker 1>have to keep our fingers on, right, Like we're so

0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:48.759
<v Speaker 1>caught up in what's going on with the politics in

0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:53.160
<v Speaker 1>this nation, but a lot of the politics are local,

0:39:53.360 --> 0:39:55.920
<v Speaker 1>and we need to know what's happening with our people.

0:39:55.960 --> 0:39:57.920
<v Speaker 1>So I just was doing a little bit of research

0:39:58.520 --> 0:40:03.040
<v Speaker 1>and I just happened to come across this song Federal Nightmas,

0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:06.480
<v Speaker 1>which literally, as you said, is laying out what I

0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:09.600
<v Speaker 1>learned as I read articles I was on Twitter. I mean,

0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:12.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm all the way down in the rabbit hole looking

0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:15.880
<v Speaker 1>my hairstyl is. One of her other clients was giving

0:40:15.880 --> 0:40:19.160
<v Speaker 1>me some information, so I was googling names. I didn't

0:40:19.200 --> 0:40:22.160
<v Speaker 1>know who King Vaughn was, and now I see that

0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:24.440
<v Speaker 1>he's at the center of a lot of this and

0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:28.439
<v Speaker 1>supposedly all of this stuff is to avenge people killing him.

0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:32.200
<v Speaker 1>But he killed all these people before he turned nineteen,

0:40:32.440 --> 0:40:35.040
<v Speaker 1>and you know, I mean, it was so much. I'm like, dude,

0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:37.480
<v Speaker 1>these people think they in a movie, Like this is

0:40:37.520 --> 0:40:41.000
<v Speaker 1>not a movie. This is real life. And the sad

0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:43.239
<v Speaker 1>part for me is, I don't know if King Vaughan

0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:45.279
<v Speaker 1>killed people. I'm just telling you what I saw. But

0:40:45.560 --> 0:40:49.560
<v Speaker 1>here we are, this young man, if you did take

0:40:49.640 --> 0:40:58.320
<v Speaker 1>these lives, these are people's children, grandchildren, fathers, mothers, Like damn,

0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:03.120
<v Speaker 1>like we just we don't have any sensibility around, like humanity,

0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:06.279
<v Speaker 1>and you can't just be out here killing people. It

0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:09.239
<v Speaker 1>doesn't work like that. And now this situation, and then

0:41:09.280 --> 0:41:11.480
<v Speaker 1>I saw a little Dirk has all these children. And

0:41:11.520 --> 0:41:14.200
<v Speaker 1>then I know this girl in the Royal that I've

0:41:14.239 --> 0:41:16.360
<v Speaker 1>watched her. She's a real, real pretty girl. I just

0:41:16.520 --> 0:41:20.560
<v Speaker 1>liked the fact that she's supernatural right her face, she

0:41:20.680 --> 0:41:22.400
<v Speaker 1>just looks like she's just like a real pretty like.

0:41:22.600 --> 0:41:25.520
<v Speaker 1>She looks like somebody that I grew up with, right,

0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:28.600
<v Speaker 1>like somebody who lived in the community with me, the

0:41:28.600 --> 0:41:31.400
<v Speaker 1>pretty girl, and I just I knew her already, but

0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:34.200
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know the connection with him. So I've listened

0:41:34.239 --> 0:41:35.759
<v Speaker 1>to that song and I thought it was deep. But

0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:37.360
<v Speaker 1>then I went on ahead and listened to some of

0:41:37.400 --> 0:41:39.720
<v Speaker 1>his other music, and I was like, Okay, I really

0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:44.120
<v Speaker 1>like some of his music. And what hit me was

0:41:44.160 --> 0:41:47.560
<v Speaker 1>seeing that his father was in prison for all of

0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:50.080
<v Speaker 1>those years, as you said, and then came home and

0:41:50.120 --> 0:41:53.720
<v Speaker 1>his son, the other son, died, and now his other son,

0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:57.400
<v Speaker 1>who became a huge success, is under a federal indictment

0:41:57.640 --> 0:42:01.879
<v Speaker 1>or probably not indicted yet, but certainly Okay, well now

0:42:01.960 --> 0:42:04.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, been picked up by the Feds. And I

0:42:04.040 --> 0:42:06.960
<v Speaker 1>was like, this, there has to be a better story

0:42:07.000 --> 0:42:09.040
<v Speaker 1>for our young people. It has to be. I pray

0:42:09.120 --> 0:42:12.880
<v Speaker 1>for all our kids. I pray for our actual sons

0:42:12.920 --> 0:42:16.360
<v Speaker 1>that are in that age group that listen to this music.

0:42:16.560 --> 0:42:19.480
<v Speaker 1>I pray for them. I pray for my friends children,

0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:21.799
<v Speaker 1>I pray for family members, I pray for them. I

0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:26.040
<v Speaker 1>was literally a weeping mother on Sunday morning when I

0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:29.880
<v Speaker 1>read and listened to all of this because our children

0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:33.319
<v Speaker 1>are if there's like a to me, it feels like

0:42:33.360 --> 0:42:36.360
<v Speaker 1>there's a fishing pole that's out there just trying to

0:42:36.440 --> 0:42:39.120
<v Speaker 1>catch one and hooking and then wheel them on. And

0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:42.120
<v Speaker 1>the sad part about it is that when they will

0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:47.040
<v Speaker 1>you in, they're not taking you to a better fishing pond.

0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:51.279
<v Speaker 1>They're not taking you to a beautiful fishing bowl where

0:42:51.280 --> 0:42:54.239
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna be fed. They're taking you to slice you up,

0:42:54.719 --> 0:42:57.600
<v Speaker 1>cut you open, and fry you up so somebody else

0:42:57.680 --> 0:43:01.600
<v Speaker 1>can eat you. And I just I just burst into

0:43:01.640 --> 0:43:03.920
<v Speaker 1>tears that you know, I don't know what he did.

0:43:04.239 --> 0:43:06.960
<v Speaker 1>So then I saw that another rapper that this is

0:43:07.000 --> 0:43:08.880
<v Speaker 1>all supposed to be. I think the hit was supposed

0:43:08.880 --> 0:43:13.279
<v Speaker 1>to be on him. Kwondo Rondo. You know, he came

0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:16.480
<v Speaker 1>out with a statement saying, I like, I forgive everybody.

0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:18.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't even want no problems. I don't want any

0:43:18.520 --> 0:43:22.200
<v Speaker 1>beef because I'm gonna tell you there's something about traveling

0:43:22.680 --> 0:43:27.200
<v Speaker 1>the world, getting to see other experiences, being able to

0:43:27.760 --> 0:43:30.319
<v Speaker 1>walk out of the bounds of the hood you grew

0:43:30.400 --> 0:43:33.239
<v Speaker 1>up in and going to other places, seeing other successful

0:43:33.320 --> 0:43:37.200
<v Speaker 1>black people, seeing how they're living, seeing people making investments

0:43:37.239 --> 0:43:41.120
<v Speaker 1>and community development and all of that eating different foods

0:43:41.360 --> 0:43:44.520
<v Speaker 1>that gets into you, right, and it starts making you,

0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:47.400
<v Speaker 1>like you said, evolve and think to yourself, well, damn,

0:43:47.440 --> 0:43:50.680
<v Speaker 1>there's more than what I've known for my entire life.

0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:52.960
<v Speaker 1>And this young man is like, don't even worry about it,

0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:56.600
<v Speaker 1>like I wish everybody's success. That's just let this stuff go.

0:43:56.800 --> 0:43:59.920
<v Speaker 1>And I pray and hope that his attitude, that spirit

0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:03.600
<v Speaker 1>that came into him spreads to these other young people

0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:06.319
<v Speaker 1>who are out here watching this because all we're doing

0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:09.400
<v Speaker 1>is dying and here we are. And then somebody wrote

0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:11.600
<v Speaker 1>in the comment section, and I will let it go

0:44:11.719 --> 0:44:13.920
<v Speaker 1>at this because our guest is here and we want

0:44:13.920 --> 0:44:17.400
<v Speaker 1>to talk to him about this too. Somebody wrote in

0:44:17.400 --> 0:44:21.080
<v Speaker 1>the comment section, it's the only news. The real enemy

0:44:21.440 --> 0:44:26.480
<v Speaker 1>things right. The real enemy was at Madison Square Garden

0:44:27.160 --> 0:44:32.960
<v Speaker 1>with thousands of people who want to see you day. Meanwhile,

0:44:33.120 --> 0:44:35.239
<v Speaker 1>they don't even have to do the killing because we're

0:44:35.280 --> 0:44:38.680
<v Speaker 1>willing to do it for ourselves. So you know, our

0:44:39.160 --> 0:44:43.080
<v Speaker 1>running joke around here is that our friends are doing

0:44:43.200 --> 0:44:45.840
<v Speaker 1>so many powerful things that our show is full of friends.

0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:49.919
<v Speaker 1>We have so many people who come by to our

0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:54.360
<v Speaker 1>new digs. Now, by the way, we have new digs

0:44:54.480 --> 0:44:58.799
<v Speaker 1>and you are truly our friends with somebody that we love.

0:44:59.200 --> 0:45:03.640
<v Speaker 1>We reach out to you when we're angry, when we're happy. Everything.

0:45:03.920 --> 0:45:07.279
<v Speaker 1>You are in that inner circle for my son and

0:45:07.360 --> 0:45:11.120
<v Speaker 1>me too. Yeah, you do what we've been with you

0:45:11.200 --> 0:45:13.360
<v Speaker 1>in the trenches and you with us and so we

0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:17.759
<v Speaker 1>are very very excited to have back today. Uh, this

0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:20.240
<v Speaker 1>is probably the third or fourth time that you've actually

0:45:20.280 --> 0:45:27.240
<v Speaker 1>done our show, Congressman Jamal Bowman, JB sixteenth Congressional District

0:45:27.320 --> 0:45:30.799
<v Speaker 1>in the Bronx Mount Vernon and neuro show right and

0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:39.239
<v Speaker 1>Yonkers and also okay, and a former principle, which you know,

0:45:39.320 --> 0:45:43.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't think enough people know that you were a principal.

0:45:43.800 --> 0:45:45.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Are you going to go back to

0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:46.360
<v Speaker 1>being a principal.

0:45:46.080 --> 0:45:48.520
<v Speaker 4>No, I don't think so. I may go back to

0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:55.120
<v Speaker 4>like coaching rising not just a principal actually open school, wow,

0:45:55.640 --> 0:45:58.200
<v Speaker 4>district school charge, the school district schools.

0:45:58.239 --> 0:45:59.640
<v Speaker 1>Wow. Wonderful, wonderful.

0:45:59.680 --> 0:46:02.640
<v Speaker 3>So I knows that. Yeah, it was in my school

0:46:02.680 --> 0:46:04.720
<v Speaker 3>definitely working with the kids. Yeah.

0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:07.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think that's what makes you so authentic

0:46:08.440 --> 0:46:10.600
<v Speaker 1>is that you've been doing this work and being an

0:46:10.640 --> 0:46:12.759
<v Speaker 1>activist in your own right for a long time. So

0:46:12.800 --> 0:46:14.799
<v Speaker 1>first of all, start out by telling that's how are

0:46:14.800 --> 0:46:18.239
<v Speaker 1>you feeling now that, uh, you know, I don't want

0:46:18.280 --> 0:46:20.719
<v Speaker 1>to I'm not gonna get you in trouble today, and

0:46:20.760 --> 0:46:22.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna get myself at Joe. I was getting raised,

0:46:22.680 --> 0:46:26.319
<v Speaker 1>I call names of people and everything. But now that

0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:31.400
<v Speaker 1>you were not re elected to Congress for the next term.

0:46:32.040 --> 0:46:36.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so feeling pretty liberated. That was the first feeling

0:46:36.920 --> 0:46:37.800
<v Speaker 4>I had after.

0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:42.759
<v Speaker 3>Light. It's over. Not because I don't want to be

0:46:42.800 --> 0:46:43.800
<v Speaker 3>in Congress anymore.

0:46:43.840 --> 0:46:47.640
<v Speaker 4>It's just because I can't be in a place that

0:46:48.920 --> 0:46:56.120
<v Speaker 4>just originalizes it humanized. I just can't function, Like literally,

0:46:56.280 --> 0:46:59.680
<v Speaker 4>I feel sick going to work in the place that

0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:05.399
<v Speaker 4>value certain lives over others. So, you know, ever since

0:47:05.440 --> 0:47:10.920
<v Speaker 4>October seventh, it just got to the point where everyone president,

0:47:11.400 --> 0:47:15.160
<v Speaker 4>down to our local city council people, you know, only

0:47:15.280 --> 0:47:20.360
<v Speaker 4>felt the need to uplift Jewish lives and rarely lives

0:47:20.360 --> 0:47:24.880
<v Speaker 4>and they weren't Palestinian lives slaughtered. And so you know,

0:47:24.920 --> 0:47:27.280
<v Speaker 4>I couldn't abide by that, and that's why I didn't

0:47:27.680 --> 0:47:30.839
<v Speaker 4>change my position during the race. So you know, we

0:47:30.920 --> 0:47:34.120
<v Speaker 4>ran a tough race, and I think we exposed to

0:47:34.200 --> 0:47:37.799
<v Speaker 4>a lot of people in terms of who a pack

0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:42.839
<v Speaker 4>is and what is about and how special interest can

0:47:42.840 --> 0:47:45.400
<v Speaker 4>get involved in our politics and come in and just

0:47:45.480 --> 0:47:49.799
<v Speaker 4>spend records amount of money to turn communities upside down.

0:47:49.800 --> 0:47:53.400
<v Speaker 4>So I think we exposed that, but liberated also in

0:47:53.440 --> 0:47:56.000
<v Speaker 4>a sense that now, like you know, kind of the

0:47:56.040 --> 0:47:59.439
<v Speaker 4>handcuffs are off a bit and I get to god

0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:03.000
<v Speaker 4>willing work in a lot of different sectors with different

0:48:03.000 --> 0:48:06.920
<v Speaker 4>people of different industries and and continue to do good work.

0:48:07.040 --> 0:48:11.520
<v Speaker 4>You know what I mean, The mission for liberation continues,

0:48:11.680 --> 0:48:13.520
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying, So that is that is

0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:16.399
<v Speaker 4>never going to stop. So I'm feeling feeling pretty good,

0:48:16.680 --> 0:48:19.839
<v Speaker 4>pretty liberated, learning a lot, you know in terms of

0:48:20.760 --> 0:48:25.120
<v Speaker 4>you know, technology and AI and opportunities there, and you know,

0:48:25.239 --> 0:48:27.200
<v Speaker 4>excited for what the next chapter is going to be.

0:48:27.600 --> 0:48:30.319
<v Speaker 2>People always say you need to run for office this

0:48:30.360 --> 0:48:35.120
<v Speaker 2>and that, And I see you as an activist that

0:48:35.239 --> 0:48:37.440
<v Speaker 2>was posing as a politician, right.

0:48:37.440 --> 0:48:40.000
<v Speaker 3>Because you you have the same spirit that I have.

0:48:40.200 --> 0:48:43.879
<v Speaker 2>Like we were staying on business writing for people, We're

0:48:43.880 --> 0:48:46.080
<v Speaker 2>not going to we're not going to.

0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:48.240
<v Speaker 3>Beat around the bush. We're not going to half step.

0:48:48.480 --> 0:48:50.879
<v Speaker 2>We're going to stand firm and we're going to stand

0:48:50.920 --> 0:48:53.920
<v Speaker 2>for our communities, even when it's against the powers that

0:48:54.000 --> 0:48:58.880
<v Speaker 2>be and just watching you, like when you became the congressman,

0:48:58.920 --> 0:49:00.960
<v Speaker 2>it gave me some hope. Okay, we got one of

0:49:01.040 --> 0:49:04.080
<v Speaker 2>us in the building, you know, But then seeing how

0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:07.920
<v Speaker 2>it was you fighting against a whole structure that should

0:49:07.920 --> 0:49:10.279
<v Speaker 2>have been supporting you, you know, even people that I

0:49:10.320 --> 0:49:13.240
<v Speaker 2>believe your own people that didn't really give you support.

0:49:13.280 --> 0:49:15.920
<v Speaker 2>It just it just it demoralizes a lot of us

0:49:15.920 --> 0:49:17.839
<v Speaker 2>at times, you know what I'm saying. And it's like,

0:49:18.120 --> 0:49:21.480
<v Speaker 2>are people like us actually supposed to be in those positions?

0:49:21.480 --> 0:49:22.560
<v Speaker 3>Because I think we should be.

0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:25.280
<v Speaker 2>I think there should be people who have the same

0:49:25.360 --> 0:49:28.440
<v Speaker 2>mind states and who have the same strength and the

0:49:28.480 --> 0:49:31.480
<v Speaker 2>same you know, energy that we have in those positions.

0:49:31.560 --> 0:49:35.280
<v Speaker 2>But I don't know if you know politics is actually

0:49:35.320 --> 0:49:38.000
<v Speaker 2>ready for you know, it's very it's very far between

0:49:38.040 --> 0:49:42.000
<v Speaker 2>that you see brothers like yourself, especially brothers strong men

0:49:42.200 --> 0:49:45.760
<v Speaker 2>who are affirmed and strong in their conviction, who stand

0:49:45.800 --> 0:49:49.160
<v Speaker 2>on what they stand for, speak for their communities unabridged,

0:49:49.440 --> 0:49:52.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, unapologetically, So speak to that.

0:49:53.120 --> 0:49:56.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think we have to be in those positions,

0:49:56.120 --> 0:49:59.840
<v Speaker 4>and I think we should continue to run for office

0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:03.400
<v Speaker 4>and do what we can to get into those positions.

0:50:03.440 --> 0:50:07.560
<v Speaker 4>I think the context really matters. So the district in

0:50:07.640 --> 0:50:13.800
<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty that I won changed dramatically by twenty twenty

0:50:13.840 --> 0:50:17.800
<v Speaker 4>four when we lost. So in twenty twenty the district

0:50:17.800 --> 0:50:20.960
<v Speaker 4>had two hundred thousand additional black people in the district.

0:50:21.800 --> 0:50:26.719
<v Speaker 4>Then because of redistricting and fighting in the courts and

0:50:26.760 --> 0:50:30.560
<v Speaker 4>the special mass exactly. Yeah, So every ten years when

0:50:30.560 --> 0:50:34.400
<v Speaker 4>there's a census, the census comes out, people complete the census,

0:50:34.440 --> 0:50:39.120
<v Speaker 4>and then based on population, population growth or loss, the

0:50:39.200 --> 0:50:43.880
<v Speaker 4>district's changed. So in twenty twenty, we lost. The population

0:50:44.000 --> 0:50:48.000
<v Speaker 4>went down because we never did an accurate count, and

0:50:48.880 --> 0:50:52.319
<v Speaker 4>we lost the congressional seat. So because we lost the

0:50:52.320 --> 0:50:55.120
<v Speaker 4>congressional seat, they had to redraw the lines and withdraw

0:50:55.160 --> 0:50:58.680
<v Speaker 4>the district maps. And so the initial map that was

0:50:58.800 --> 0:51:04.120
<v Speaker 4>drawn in twenty twenty kept the district majority black. It

0:51:04.239 --> 0:51:08.120
<v Speaker 4>went through the legislature, they voted on it, Governor signed

0:51:08.200 --> 0:51:12.239
<v Speaker 4>into law dund it. All of a sudden, Republicans challenged

0:51:12.280 --> 0:51:16.480
<v Speaker 4>the map, said it was jerry manner, and then that

0:51:16.560 --> 0:51:18.920
<v Speaker 4>challenge went to the first level of course, the second

0:51:19.040 --> 0:51:22.320
<v Speaker 4>level of courts, the third level of courts. The challenge

0:51:22.360 --> 0:51:27.000
<v Speaker 4>was upheld at every level, and the final court, which

0:51:27.000 --> 0:51:29.799
<v Speaker 4>I believe is the Pellicourt State, sent it to a

0:51:29.840 --> 0:51:33.440
<v Speaker 4>special master who didn't know nothing about New York City,

0:51:33.640 --> 0:51:37.480
<v Speaker 4>didn't understand the contexts, drew some maps that took two

0:51:37.560 --> 0:51:41.919
<v Speaker 4>hundred thousand black people out of for the first time ever.

0:51:42.000 --> 0:51:44.200
<v Speaker 4>So now my district was no longer majority black, still

0:51:44.239 --> 0:51:48.120
<v Speaker 4>majority minority, but no longer majority black, and the white

0:51:48.120 --> 0:51:50.640
<v Speaker 4>population in the district was more likely to the primary.

0:51:51.120 --> 0:51:53.919
<v Speaker 4>I won the first reelection because they threw out two

0:51:53.960 --> 0:51:57.160
<v Speaker 4>tomato cans. And then twenty twenty four they brought in

0:51:57.320 --> 0:51:59.680
<v Speaker 4>like the best candidate they could find, someone that people

0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:03.560
<v Speaker 4>people like. They spent record amounts of money and we

0:52:03.600 --> 0:52:06.360
<v Speaker 4>had two hundred thousand less black people, and so so

0:52:06.400 --> 0:52:09.719
<v Speaker 4>we weren't able to win that reelection. But let's say

0:52:09.760 --> 0:52:12.960
<v Speaker 4>you or someone like us is in a situation anywhere

0:52:13.000 --> 0:52:17.880
<v Speaker 4>in the country there's a majority black district that needs

0:52:17.960 --> 0:52:19.160
<v Speaker 4>proper representation.

0:52:20.000 --> 0:52:21.799
<v Speaker 3>People should absolutely.

0:52:21.280 --> 0:52:23.319
<v Speaker 4>Run for office in those districts if they think they

0:52:23.760 --> 0:52:26.239
<v Speaker 4>because you know, in Congress is the.

0:52:26.160 --> 0:52:29.120
<v Speaker 3>Most high profile I guess of government.

0:52:29.600 --> 0:52:32.400
<v Speaker 4>But man, someone like you could get in the state House,

0:52:32.520 --> 0:52:34.120
<v Speaker 4>someone like you could get in a county.

0:52:34.239 --> 0:52:35.280
<v Speaker 3>Someone like you get.

0:52:35.160 --> 0:52:39.680
<v Speaker 4>City council or or village trustee, whatever, there's a lot of.

0:52:39.640 --> 0:52:41.520
<v Speaker 3>Power in those positions.

0:52:42.040 --> 0:52:45.799
<v Speaker 4>And for our collective liberation, which is our mission, we

0:52:45.840 --> 0:52:50.040
<v Speaker 4>need power. We need political power, we need economic power.

0:52:50.960 --> 0:52:53.040
<v Speaker 4>And then the last thing I'll say on that is

0:52:53.120 --> 0:52:57.600
<v Speaker 4>just going back to the special interest piece. If if

0:52:57.640 --> 0:53:01.879
<v Speaker 4>we're not there, people like us are not there, then

0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:07.080
<v Speaker 4>the people who are there are going to be manipulated

0:53:07.200 --> 0:53:12.000
<v Speaker 4>to maintain the power structures that are influence right now, which.

0:53:11.760 --> 0:53:14.680
<v Speaker 3>Are power structures rooted white supremacy HM.

0:53:15.120 --> 0:53:18.319
<v Speaker 4>And so because they're not people and they're ready to fight,

0:53:18.320 --> 0:53:20.040
<v Speaker 4>they don't have no, they don't have the character, they

0:53:20.040 --> 0:53:24.480
<v Speaker 4>don't have they they're they're the bourgeoisie. They're just in

0:53:24.520 --> 0:53:27.640
<v Speaker 4>there for the title and the position. And then the

0:53:27.719 --> 0:53:31.200
<v Speaker 4>last thing I say is historically, take the Civil rights

0:53:31.200 --> 0:53:36.720
<v Speaker 4>movement for example, those leaders you know, Fred Hampton, Quam Toy,

0:53:37.239 --> 0:53:38.560
<v Speaker 4>Doctor King, Malcolm X.

0:53:39.040 --> 0:53:40.640
<v Speaker 3>They were not elected officials.

0:53:41.400 --> 0:53:44.000
<v Speaker 4>So we have a lot of power on the outside

0:53:44.160 --> 0:53:47.080
<v Speaker 4>to continue to push elected officials to do.

0:53:47.080 --> 0:53:47.839
<v Speaker 3>What got to be done.

0:53:47.880 --> 0:53:49.799
<v Speaker 4>And I think that's our calling and that's what we need.

0:53:50.560 --> 0:53:57.600
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm in the Blackish, yes, yeah, yes, I'm absolutely

0:53:58.360 --> 0:54:01.520
<v Speaker 1>apart and and I think that's the duality of some

0:54:01.600 --> 0:54:08.880
<v Speaker 1>of us that I mean, I'm in organizations like the Links,

0:54:08.920 --> 0:54:13.040
<v Speaker 1>like the you know a KA is like absolutely, I

0:54:13.040 --> 0:54:14.439
<v Speaker 1>mean we're we're in the black.

0:54:15.840 --> 0:54:19.640
<v Speaker 4>I was like black people who are like elected CEOs

0:54:20.120 --> 0:54:23.440
<v Speaker 4>whatever that's just there for like the titles or whatever

0:54:23.640 --> 0:54:25.600
<v Speaker 4>those to maintain that structure.

0:54:26.360 --> 0:54:31.040
<v Speaker 1>I would call them. I would call them like black

0:54:31.640 --> 0:54:35.640
<v Speaker 1>faces that are kind of like sellouts, right like I

0:54:35.640 --> 0:54:37.279
<v Speaker 1>would say that. I mean, you didn't say that, but

0:54:37.360 --> 0:54:40.920
<v Speaker 1>I would. But and I wasn't even about to say

0:54:41.120 --> 0:54:43.960
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't even going to try to defend being because

0:54:44.000 --> 0:54:46.600
<v Speaker 1>because there are people who are part of the black

0:54:46.640 --> 0:54:50.080
<v Speaker 1>boutheuasi that are willing to stand up, they fight. I

0:54:50.080 --> 0:54:52.799
<v Speaker 1>mean I think about like just this weekend coming up

0:54:52.960 --> 0:54:56.800
<v Speaker 1>right now, Uh you know, I'm traveling with Links a Ka's,

0:54:56.880 --> 0:55:00.520
<v Speaker 1>Deltas and others down to Philly. We are looking for

0:55:01.080 --> 0:55:05.600
<v Speaker 1>the low propensity, which we believe or high opportunity areas

0:55:05.920 --> 0:55:09.359
<v Speaker 1>to go into the buildings where you stepping over the

0:55:09.400 --> 0:55:11.799
<v Speaker 1>stuff and you in there, like with the community, where

0:55:11.840 --> 0:55:14.800
<v Speaker 1>somebody comes to the door with they joint out like hello,

0:55:15.280 --> 0:55:18.040
<v Speaker 1>like what you want, Like that's what we said that's

0:55:18.080 --> 0:55:20.920
<v Speaker 1>exactly where we want to go. There's some people who

0:55:21.040 --> 0:55:23.200
<v Speaker 1>is a bunch of us that are going. Then there

0:55:23.200 --> 0:55:26.319
<v Speaker 1>are some people who can't go for various reasons. They

0:55:26.440 --> 0:55:28.880
<v Speaker 1>doing something else, they texting, their calling. But then there

0:55:28.880 --> 0:55:32.000
<v Speaker 1>are other people who would never ever, ever, ever go.

0:55:32.440 --> 0:55:35.600
<v Speaker 1>So there is a mixture of folks that are in

0:55:35.760 --> 0:55:38.520
<v Speaker 1>all these groups. And I'm okay with whatever. I'm okay

0:55:38.560 --> 0:55:40.680
<v Speaker 1>with you being. I don't care what you are. You

0:55:40.760 --> 0:55:45.840
<v Speaker 1>could be a stripper, you could be in the bourgeoisie,

0:55:45.880 --> 0:55:49.799
<v Speaker 1>you could be whatever you want to be. But you

0:55:50.000 --> 0:55:53.759
<v Speaker 1>still have to have a social justice lens, right. You

0:55:53.840 --> 0:55:57.560
<v Speaker 1>still have to have something about you that says I'm

0:55:57.560 --> 0:56:01.320
<v Speaker 1>not just here to give scholarship to kids, which is good,

0:56:01.560 --> 0:56:04.080
<v Speaker 1>we want that, but I'm also going to speak out

0:56:04.120 --> 0:56:07.719
<v Speaker 1>about the conditions that make these children need scholarships. And

0:56:07.760 --> 0:56:10.680
<v Speaker 1>that's a that's a challenge that I have in some

0:56:10.840 --> 0:56:12.920
<v Speaker 1>of these places. When I be showing up in my

0:56:13.000 --> 0:56:16.520
<v Speaker 1>bourgeois with my Saint John suit on, and I still

0:56:16.560 --> 0:56:18.360
<v Speaker 1>want to bring these things up. They like here and

0:56:18.520 --> 0:56:21.400
<v Speaker 1>she come with this, but it has to be said.

0:56:21.680 --> 0:56:23.440
<v Speaker 1>And that's why we got to be in all of

0:56:23.480 --> 0:56:27.680
<v Speaker 1>these spaces. But no running for running for office is

0:56:27.800 --> 0:56:31.080
<v Speaker 1>not something that I'm I don't think I'll ever do it,

0:56:31.120 --> 0:56:34.000
<v Speaker 1>but I'm certainly not anywhere you're ready for it, And

0:56:34.040 --> 0:56:37.040
<v Speaker 1>I know that as you get older, it is probably

0:56:37.120 --> 0:56:39.760
<v Speaker 1>not a good idea to go try to run for office,

0:56:39.840 --> 0:56:43.480
<v Speaker 1>because one, you don't have the stamina to deal with

0:56:43.560 --> 0:56:45.560
<v Speaker 1>all of this craziness, and then you kind of get

0:56:45.600 --> 0:56:49.080
<v Speaker 1>set in your ways. You really need younger people who

0:56:49.160 --> 0:56:51.960
<v Speaker 1>have their finger on the pulse of the youth, and

0:56:52.360 --> 0:56:55.600
<v Speaker 1>also the intelligent intellect to be able to look at

0:56:55.600 --> 0:56:59.480
<v Speaker 1>things from you know, various positions and compromise and all

0:56:59.480 --> 0:57:02.680
<v Speaker 1>of that. I don't think fifty five, six, seven, eight

0:57:02.800 --> 0:57:06.800
<v Speaker 1>nine years old starting out in politics, you don't think so.

0:57:06.880 --> 0:57:08.440
<v Speaker 4>That's going to be time. I mean, I'm forty eight

0:57:08.480 --> 0:57:11.480
<v Speaker 4>and i'd be tired. I had to get back in

0:57:11.520 --> 0:57:12.920
<v Speaker 4>the gym to make sure I was ready for my

0:57:12.960 --> 0:57:15.640
<v Speaker 4>own campaign. But you're right about the youth piece and

0:57:15.680 --> 0:57:18.800
<v Speaker 4>the older piece. And again, everybody has differents I.

0:57:18.760 --> 0:57:22.320
<v Speaker 1>Sent your start out. I'm not saying you should be continue.

0:57:22.360 --> 0:57:24.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying to get started.

0:57:23.960 --> 0:57:27.760
<v Speaker 4>In one hundred percent. Everyone has different lanes. But whatever

0:57:27.800 --> 0:57:30.280
<v Speaker 4>your laying, you just got to be about liberation. Man,

0:57:30.800 --> 0:57:33.120
<v Speaker 4>and I'm in part of my frustration also to the

0:57:33.160 --> 0:57:35.440
<v Speaker 4>point that I was made earlier. There's a lot of

0:57:35.440 --> 0:57:39.120
<v Speaker 4>black elected officials who are not about liberation. There's there's

0:57:39.160 --> 0:57:42.680
<v Speaker 4>a lot of black caucuses who I don't feel about liberation.

0:57:42.880 --> 0:57:46.920
<v Speaker 4>And so for me, we need to be unapologetic about liberation.

0:57:47.040 --> 0:57:49.880
<v Speaker 4>That means our education, that means our healthcare, that means

0:57:49.880 --> 0:57:54.000
<v Speaker 4>our food security, that means jobs, that means entrepreneurship, that

0:57:54.120 --> 0:57:56.600
<v Speaker 4>means all of it. Like you want to call it reparations,

0:57:56.600 --> 0:57:58.720
<v Speaker 4>you want to call it something else. We got to

0:57:58.720 --> 0:57:59.720
<v Speaker 4>be about liberation.

0:58:00.080 --> 0:58:00.520
<v Speaker 3>Whe Are our.

0:58:00.520 --> 0:58:03.880
<v Speaker 4>Kids reading, who's teaching our kids, how we engage in parents,

0:58:03.880 --> 0:58:07.280
<v Speaker 4>how we engage in community. The fact that certain parts

0:58:07.280 --> 0:58:11.080
<v Speaker 4>of my district, usually the black and brown, usually the poverty,

0:58:11.800 --> 0:58:16.640
<v Speaker 4>don't have community. Since it's crazy, like you don't have

0:58:16.720 --> 0:58:19.400
<v Speaker 4>a community sent So I was very lucky, Like I

0:58:19.440 --> 0:58:21.600
<v Speaker 4>lived in East River until I was about eight. My

0:58:21.600 --> 0:58:24.640
<v Speaker 4>grandmother passed and I moved to like Upper east Side,

0:58:24.720 --> 0:58:25.640
<v Speaker 4>right Yorkville.

0:58:26.160 --> 0:58:27.160
<v Speaker 3>Two different worlds.

0:58:27.160 --> 0:58:30.920
<v Speaker 4>Man like East River projects right in the project, that's it,

0:58:31.040 --> 0:58:33.920
<v Speaker 4>that's all you got. You go to Yorkville ninety second

0:58:34.000 --> 0:58:36.600
<v Speaker 4>and second. Now I could walk to Central park. I

0:58:36.600 --> 0:58:38.640
<v Speaker 4>could walk to the museums and just be in the

0:58:38.720 --> 0:58:43.080
<v Speaker 4>museum looking around like I had. There was asphalt green,

0:58:43.520 --> 0:58:45.960
<v Speaker 4>there's a playstreet here, there's a little park, kid, there's

0:58:45.960 --> 0:58:49.320
<v Speaker 4>a big park kids mad just space for kids to

0:58:49.400 --> 0:58:50.080
<v Speaker 4>beat kids.

0:58:50.080 --> 0:58:53.480
<v Speaker 3>And just how we got elected officials who are.

0:58:53.600 --> 0:58:58.640
<v Speaker 5>Mayors, senators, you know what I'm saying, Like like Congress

0:58:58.640 --> 0:59:05.400
<v Speaker 5>people Assembly, people in our communities that they represent don't

0:59:05.440 --> 0:59:08.600
<v Speaker 5>have community centers and parks for kids.

0:59:08.960 --> 0:59:11.000
<v Speaker 3>What are we talking And this ain't even a lot

0:59:11.000 --> 0:59:15.000
<v Speaker 3>of money, right, it's not even mad money the community.

0:59:15.240 --> 0:59:17.640
<v Speaker 1>Let me say something to you. I don't want to

0:59:17.680 --> 0:59:20.919
<v Speaker 1>cut you off. But we this past weekend were in

0:59:20.960 --> 0:59:25.200
<v Speaker 1>Georgia knocking on doors in South Fulton County and other

0:59:25.280 --> 0:59:29.760
<v Speaker 1>places around the city of Atlanta. And we went to

0:59:29.840 --> 0:59:32.360
<v Speaker 1>this one community. There was a bunch of us. It

0:59:32.520 --> 0:59:34.919
<v Speaker 1>was a bunch of celebrities and others, and a lot

0:59:34.960 --> 0:59:36.840
<v Speaker 1>of them, like Killer Mike and others, are people who

0:59:36.880 --> 0:59:39.080
<v Speaker 1>do community work all the time. So when like we

0:59:39.160 --> 0:59:42.560
<v Speaker 1>showed up, Jadakiss was with us. You know people who

0:59:42.880 --> 0:59:45.800
<v Speaker 1>always you can call on them to be involved in

0:59:45.920 --> 0:59:48.880
<v Speaker 1>issues and you know they really get or have a

0:59:48.880 --> 0:59:52.880
<v Speaker 1>connection to the streets. So we show up there, and

0:59:53.240 --> 0:59:56.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, we get out and everybody's getting ready to

0:59:56.720 --> 1:00:00.280
<v Speaker 1>go into the buildings. Now we're talking about like something

1:00:00.280 --> 1:00:05.520
<v Speaker 1>that's actually called a condominium. It's called condominiums, but it

1:00:05.560 --> 1:00:07.880
<v Speaker 1>is it's sort of set up like the projects. Like

1:00:07.960 --> 1:00:10.520
<v Speaker 1>we go inside of a building it's three levels or

1:00:10.520 --> 1:00:14.640
<v Speaker 1>whatever to get in there, and they point us to

1:00:14.840 --> 1:00:17.600
<v Speaker 1>team one, team two, team to hit all of these doors.

1:00:18.000 --> 1:00:21.880
<v Speaker 1>And as soon as we start approaching the doors, I'm looking,

1:00:21.960 --> 1:00:24.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I don't know if we're supposed to be

1:00:24.440 --> 1:00:29.560
<v Speaker 1>going in these buildings. One they look they're falling up,

1:00:29.720 --> 1:00:33.520
<v Speaker 1>literally falling apart. I don't mean like falling apart, I

1:00:33.560 --> 1:00:39.480
<v Speaker 1>mean falling apart. No glass in the windows, no glass

1:00:39.520 --> 1:00:42.400
<v Speaker 1>in the sliding doors. But people are living there. People

1:00:42.440 --> 1:00:46.440
<v Speaker 1>have sheets up to the windows, people have mattresses up

1:00:46.480 --> 1:00:50.640
<v Speaker 1>to the windows. Dogs all looking out, pit bulls looking

1:00:50.640 --> 1:00:53.960
<v Speaker 1>out because that's their only form of protection. One building,

1:00:54.160 --> 1:00:56.120
<v Speaker 1>they told us not to go in it because the

1:00:56.200 --> 1:01:00.800
<v Speaker 1>staircase is basically needs to be demolished and you have

1:01:00.920 --> 1:01:03.600
<v Speaker 1>to know how to walk around certain things in order

1:01:03.680 --> 1:01:06.240
<v Speaker 1>to walk up the stairs without making it tumble down.

1:01:06.680 --> 1:01:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Like this is how black people and there are elected

1:01:10.800 --> 1:01:15.400
<v Speaker 1>officials that are responsible for this area and people live

1:01:15.560 --> 1:01:17.760
<v Speaker 1>like that, and they're saying this is condiment, and people

1:01:17.960 --> 1:01:23.320
<v Speaker 1>own some of these places in this neighborhood. And eventually

1:01:23.640 --> 1:01:27.000
<v Speaker 1>it's funny because when you work closely with people, you

1:01:27.000 --> 1:01:30.680
<v Speaker 1>can feel them even when you're not looking. So I'm like,

1:01:30.800 --> 1:01:33.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to these people doors. I dare not

1:01:33.840 --> 1:01:36.600
<v Speaker 1>ask you to vote for anybody. I did not. I

1:01:36.640 --> 1:01:39.960
<v Speaker 1>did not, even though even though I know you need to,

1:01:40.880 --> 1:01:44.600
<v Speaker 1>but I still me personally that just showed up hearing

1:01:44.680 --> 1:01:48.440
<v Speaker 1>a black suv coming from New York. I dare not

1:01:48.640 --> 1:01:50.360
<v Speaker 1>knock on your door and say vote.

1:01:50.360 --> 1:01:53.960
<v Speaker 2>But I did get peoples, right, But.

1:01:53.960 --> 1:01:57.080
<v Speaker 1>I did get people's phone numbers so that I could

1:01:57.120 --> 1:02:00.240
<v Speaker 1>follow up with the mothers in the neighborhood to see

1:02:00.280 --> 1:02:02.520
<v Speaker 1>what we can do and how until freedom can go

1:02:02.600 --> 1:02:06.120
<v Speaker 1>back and support them. And one of the mothers was

1:02:06.160 --> 1:02:12.160
<v Speaker 1>like standing out there yelling and screaming, these people need help. Right.

1:02:12.280 --> 1:02:15.800
<v Speaker 1>So election time is called, and again you got it.

1:02:15.920 --> 1:02:19.280
<v Speaker 1>You have to participate. But but I was gonna say

1:02:19.280 --> 1:02:22.000
<v Speaker 1>about the feeling people. I turned around and I'm looking

1:02:22.000 --> 1:02:23.600
<v Speaker 1>for my team because I want to say to them,

1:02:23.720 --> 1:02:28.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm not knocking and I see my son Angelo and

1:02:28.160 --> 1:02:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Linda kind of walking down the side. They're not not

1:02:30.560 --> 1:02:33.680
<v Speaker 1>going to do us either, because we are we already

1:02:33.720 --> 1:02:37.040
<v Speaker 1>know we need a different We should have been bringing.

1:02:36.760 --> 1:02:41.760
<v Speaker 2>Food, yeah, and resources, and you know, the communities needed something.

1:02:42.440 --> 1:02:45.560
<v Speaker 2>The guy was explaining to me how you know how

1:02:45.600 --> 1:02:48.160
<v Speaker 2>it's garbage everywhere and if they've been doing the best

1:02:48.200 --> 1:02:50.880
<v Speaker 2>they can and they try to provide, like he said.

1:02:51.040 --> 1:02:53.000
<v Speaker 2>The lady came out and she was just talking about

1:02:53.040 --> 1:02:56.520
<v Speaker 2>how this he has been abandoned and people have been arrested,

1:02:56.560 --> 1:02:58.720
<v Speaker 2>the person who was running. But it was just and

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<v Speaker 2>it felt like that we were don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Cut that off. She said. The people running for or

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<v Speaker 1>already in office were arrested literally for corruption in the neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 2>They were taking the resources and things like that. So

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<v Speaker 2>I just felt like that we were imposing upon these

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<v Speaker 2>people and we didn't bring nothing, were asking them to do,

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<v Speaker 2>and they needed more than that.

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<v Speaker 4>You were the bourgeois in that context, Like you are

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<v Speaker 4>the bourgeoisie, like you coming here asking for my vote, Like.

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<v Speaker 3>My building is falling apart, my staircases fall about. We hungry, like.

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<v Speaker 4>We may not have jobs, and if we do, we

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<v Speaker 4>don't have good jobs, it's hard for me to pay

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<v Speaker 4>my bills. Like that was the ultimate lesson for me

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<v Speaker 4>with my race as well, because we were asking people

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<v Speaker 4>who struggled through povardy year in and year out for years,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe even decades, to come out and vote, like, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>I am the kind of elected official who is going

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<v Speaker 4>to fight for all of that. Right, I'll turn over

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<v Speaker 4>build to fight for that. But if they don't see

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<v Speaker 4>change in their community after an election, they're not gonna

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<v Speaker 4>come out the next election. And that's what I'm saying, Like,

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<v Speaker 4>we do a lot leading up to an election, but

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<v Speaker 4>what's gonna happen on November sixth? Right, So we got

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<v Speaker 4>the fifth new Congress, new House, new Senate, new president

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<v Speaker 4>right on the six These people ain't gonna hear from

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<v Speaker 4>us again until the next election cycle.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's the problem.

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<v Speaker 4>And so for me, again, my big takeaway, big learning

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<v Speaker 4>was why do we only have twenty five percent turnout?

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<v Speaker 3>Is because we weren't.

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<v Speaker 4>Engaging the people and literally feeding the people.

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<v Speaker 3>For the last two years, and now we're asking them

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<v Speaker 3>to go.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not we as just in you, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>we just we, it's the system.

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<v Speaker 4>The system is allowing one in five children to go hungry.

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<v Speaker 4>The system is allowing wealth to be concentraint in the

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<v Speaker 4>hands up point zero one percent of Americans. The system

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<v Speaker 4>is allowing massive conserration, system is allowing police brutality, systems

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<v Speaker 4>allowing food and security. The system and the people within

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<v Speaker 4>that system are allowing us. One of the first big

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<v Speaker 4>losses when I got to Congress is the loss where

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<v Speaker 4>we were trying to raise the federal federal minimum wage

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<v Speaker 4>for fifteen thousand hours. I learned during that fight is

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<v Speaker 4>it's still seven to twenty five hour. The federal minimum

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<v Speaker 4>wage is still seven to twenty five hour twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 4>And so you know, when you see people beside themselves

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<v Speaker 4>and frustrated and they don't care, there are reasons for that.

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<v Speaker 3>And so my hope in my prayer is as I

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<v Speaker 3>work on.

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<v Speaker 4>The outside, we deal with this issue of poverty in

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<v Speaker 4>a real direct way, and whoever the president is, we

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<v Speaker 4>got to hold them in every other elected official accountable

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<v Speaker 4>to deal with that issue of poverty.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's not only the president.

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<v Speaker 4>So all these people talking about like, oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>Kama ain't gonna do this, she ain't gonna do that.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not just her, yo these same people don't even

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<v Speaker 4>know who they're member by Congresses. They don't they don't

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<v Speaker 4>even know how they engage the US Senate. They don't

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<v Speaker 4>know how to engage local like there's a lot of them.

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<v Speaker 4>And so that education on that engagement, but also the

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<v Speaker 4>organized and mobilizing day to day to deal with the

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<v Speaker 4>issue of poverty, of the poverty of the pocket, of

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<v Speaker 4>the stomach, and of the mind. That's what we got

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<v Speaker 4>to deal with, man, And we ain't doing that. We

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<v Speaker 4>we just we're not even serious about what we mean

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<v Speaker 4>serious about liberation.

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<v Speaker 3>And you're one hundred percent right.

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<v Speaker 2>So based on that, I just want to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we we have conversations offline all the time and we talk.

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<v Speaker 3>About the climate of the election. Black men in this election.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I've seen you very vocal, just as I

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<v Speaker 2>am online about how we need to be moving and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we heard Obama talk about black men. We've

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<v Speaker 2>hed media, you know, we've heard different you know, conversations

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<v Speaker 2>on black men need to be doing this, and then

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<v Speaker 2>they are a conversation that you're not going to put

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<v Speaker 2>this on black men's back, We're not going to make

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<v Speaker 2>them response with there so many different conversations you know.

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<v Speaker 3>I heard you have as I did. We watched Lord.

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<v Speaker 2>Jamal came and was, you know, called Kamala out of

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<v Speaker 2>her name, and we responded to that, and you know

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<v Speaker 2>he actually called you say he wants to have a

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<v Speaker 2>debate or whatever. Just all of these things with black men, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>what is your take on how this in general black

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<v Speaker 2>men are dealing with this election in this whole cycle? Yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, I get that black man a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>not a monolith. You know, we have different perspectives and

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<v Speaker 2>different opinions about politics and about people.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, I get all of that.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not here to force black men to do one

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<v Speaker 4>thing or another thing, right, but there are certain elements

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<v Speaker 4>to this election in particular that had.

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<v Speaker 3>Me bugging out very early.

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<v Speaker 4>On in terms of how black men were attacking you know,

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<v Speaker 4>Kamala Harris in support of Donald Trump, Like that that dichotomy,

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<v Speaker 4>that that that.

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<v Speaker 3>Those that polarization there didn't make sense to me.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I was just bugging off of that, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 4>so we got a black woman and someone with a

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<v Speaker 4>history rooted in white supremacy and racism.

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<v Speaker 3>Just on that alone, what are we talking about?

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<v Speaker 4>Like I'm voting for Kamala Harris, Right, Like, just on

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<v Speaker 4>that alone, you dig one layer deeper. Let's look at

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<v Speaker 4>you know her, her her history, right, you know, district attorney,

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<v Speaker 4>attorney general, US senator, vice president, soon to be president,

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<v Speaker 4>god willing. Uh, someone who was a was a scabbed

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<v Speaker 4>business owner. Uh, you know, got the donation from the pops,

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<v Speaker 4>went and let black people rent in his homes.

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<v Speaker 3>Sexual abuser, right Like, So just the resumes to me

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<v Speaker 3>left no doubt.

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<v Speaker 4>And then when you look at the policies, right, opportunity agenda,

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<v Speaker 4>overall opportunity agenda for black men, help with home ownership, investments,

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<v Speaker 4>in healthcare, investments, and entrepreneurship for everyone, but particularly black man.

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<v Speaker 4>He has no agenda like that. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 4>when he was president before the incited insurrection, h called

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<v Speaker 4>the election sitting the election was stolen and behaves like

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<v Speaker 4>a middle school child most of the time. And again

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<v Speaker 4>an abuser. So just on the who they are resume reputation,

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<v Speaker 4>black men, what are we talking about. There's no way

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<v Speaker 4>we're not going to vote for this black woman. But

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<v Speaker 4>then it's deeper than that, right, it goes into like,

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<v Speaker 4>it goes into us as a people. And in my position,

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<v Speaker 4>which is there's no circumstance ever where we should be

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<v Speaker 4>calling black women bitches in private or in public in

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<v Speaker 4>front of white people. No, that should never happen, right never.

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<v Speaker 4>But to go even further, man, this is rooted in history.

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<v Speaker 4>We haven't been allowed to really stand up for and

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<v Speaker 4>protect our women historically because of slavery and Jim Crow.

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<v Speaker 4>Our women were raped, forced to have children from their

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<v Speaker 4>slave master, weren't allowed to mother, they children, sold away

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<v Speaker 4>from their husbands, and families, experimented on when it comes

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<v Speaker 4>to gynecology lynched. This is what happened to our Black

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<v Speaker 4>women historically and what's happening to them now in terms

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<v Speaker 4>of you know, equal pay for equal work that's not happening,

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<v Speaker 4>bodily autonomy being taken away, in terms of you know,

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<v Speaker 4>reproductive rights, reproductive freedom, not chosen to be CEOs, very

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<v Speaker 4>few Black women on the hill in Congress as chiefs

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<v Speaker 4>of staff and leadership positions.

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<v Speaker 3>This is what our black women go through every day

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<v Speaker 3>and historically in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the reason why they want to say she's

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<v Speaker 1>not black, because you gotta be able. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>a very smart it was a very smart It was

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<v Speaker 1>a strategic move from the opponents, the whatever people want

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<v Speaker 1>to call it. On the other side, the Republicans, the

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<v Speaker 1>mag I don't know where it came from, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was a very smart move to try to remove her

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<v Speaker 1>ethnicity so that they can isolate that issue and not

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<v Speaker 1>have people feel a level of commitment to her because

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<v Speaker 1>she is in.

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<v Speaker 4>Black men, right, black men, no hesitation. We went to

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<v Speaker 4>an event early after she was made the nominate. You

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<v Speaker 4>and I ended up at the same event together, all

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<v Speaker 4>black men. We disagreed on certain things from a policy perspective,

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<v Speaker 4>but I don't remember anyone in that room being on

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<v Speaker 4>some she ain't black anyway, but it was a whole

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<v Speaker 4>It was real black men in this right again.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember that.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, disagreed on.

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<v Speaker 4>Different policy things or whatever, but in terms of is

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<v Speaker 4>she black or not and are we standing for our sisters, there.

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<v Speaker 3>Was no question. So real black man, it's no hesitation.

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<v Speaker 1>But are being paid?

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<v Speaker 4>Literally there's people being paid, and it's like, you know, man,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, man, And maybe I'm biased because I

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<v Speaker 4>know a little bit of the history, but also like

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<v Speaker 4>I'm raised by a single mom and I got four sisters, right,

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<v Speaker 4>So when you know a very well regarded, well respected activist.

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<v Speaker 4>A couple of weeks ago, as a black woman called

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<v Speaker 4>me and said, she don't feel safe around black Where

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<v Speaker 4>are we as black men? If that's I think.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what that's me is that, you know, being around

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<v Speaker 2>black women and hearing that constantly and always being I'm

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<v Speaker 2>always giving pushback, Well, we love black women, love and

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<v Speaker 2>then over the years I constantly see it show up

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<v Speaker 2>in ways that this didn't make sense. I was on

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<v Speaker 2>a live conversation years ago during the pandemic while he

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<v Speaker 2>was fighting for Breonna Taylor, and as God got on,

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<v Speaker 2>the black man explained to me how that it was

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<v Speaker 2>false that black men weren't protecting black women, and I said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>black women are beating He said, if I beat my woman, right,

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<v Speaker 2>you know this is what he's a swear, you can

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<v Speaker 2>go along. He said, If I beat my woman and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't let let somebody else beat him, I'm still

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<v Speaker 2>protecting I said, so if you don't realize that you're

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<v Speaker 2>the issue who's protecting her from you? And he was

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<v Speaker 2>dead sitting there, and there were people, there were other

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<v Speaker 2>black men that came on there and said he was right,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were making him feel like what he was

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<v Speaker 2>saying so then and and and the fast forward to

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<v Speaker 2>now four years later to see somebody that we respect,

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<v Speaker 2>like Lord Jamal get up there and just for no reason,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody that I've been in close proximity with, someone that

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<v Speaker 2>I would consider to be a friend, to come up

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<v Speaker 2>there and call her name strictly because you might not

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<v Speaker 2>agree with a policle or whatever the issue was it is,

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<v Speaker 2>it just didn't merit that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I'm glad that he, as a man, apologized,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate you can't take I hear what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to take once it's out there because we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to hear the apology or.

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<v Speaker 4>That's how a white man calling me a nigga, calling

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<v Speaker 4>us a nigga and then trying to apologize to me,

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<v Speaker 4>it's the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But we appreciate the fact that he did apologize because

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<v Speaker 1>when called.

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<v Speaker 3>Him out, like if people weren't calling him out, we

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<v Speaker 3>have apologized.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's what I was going to say.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying that we corrected him so he called himself.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's what I was going to say. Not only

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<v Speaker 1>did he apologize, the part that I appreciate is when

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<v Speaker 1>he said all of the criticism that I'm receiving is warranted.

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<v Speaker 1>So he wasn't out there like he's saying it's warranted.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I appreciate that because he called himself right,

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<v Speaker 1>like we all have biases. I remember one time I

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<v Speaker 1>was out with a friend of mine. We were at

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<v Speaker 1>Grace Baptist Church actually, and we went an event and

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<v Speaker 1>she's a Jewish woman, white facing Jewish woman, and she

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<v Speaker 1>and we were talking about something. Told my raising money

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<v Speaker 1>for something, and I said, well, my friend so and

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<v Speaker 1>so is Jewish. No, I didn't say that. I said

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<v Speaker 1>she knows the money, she could control the money. And

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<v Speaker 1>later on she said to me, let me break down

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<v Speaker 1>for you why this is an anti semetic trope, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so it wasn't that she was saying I am

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<v Speaker 1>anti Semitic. She's just saying. We all have heard things,

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<v Speaker 1>or you pick up on attitudes, you say things that

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<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't be saying, and sometimes it comes out. Now

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<v Speaker 1>it's not as harmful as calling this person. But to me,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not as harmful because I'm a black woman. And

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<v Speaker 1>so hearing him call Kamala Harris a B word right,

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<v Speaker 1>but listen, listen to me, it is more harmful. But

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<v Speaker 1>to her understanding the history of the Jewish people, what

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<v Speaker 1>they have suffered, and how dangerous that trope is and

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<v Speaker 1>how it pretty much demonizes them. From her perspective, it's

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<v Speaker 1>equally harmful because when you have by when you say

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<v Speaker 1>things and you don't know the history of it, where

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<v Speaker 1>it came from. That's something I probably picked up from

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<v Speaker 1>somebody in the community, or a church person, or somebody

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<v Speaker 1>a long time ago that has been with me. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course my parents is like, where did you get

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<v Speaker 1>that from? Because that's not how they speak. So we

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<v Speaker 1>pick up more from outside of our homes than we

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<v Speaker 1>do sometimes inside.

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<v Speaker 4>You're absolutely right, it was just to your point about

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<v Speaker 4>you know what, Lord Jamar represents you a black man,

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<v Speaker 4>godbody hip hop that should never come across your limit

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<v Speaker 4>in my opinion, and to be very transparent, I was

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<v Speaker 4>young and dumb and stupid at one point in my

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<v Speaker 4>life as a black man trying to holler at chicks.

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<v Speaker 4>And I've used that word as a young man trying

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<v Speaker 4>to because of some shit I heard of n w

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<v Speaker 4>A or so whatever it was. I don't even know

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<v Speaker 4>what got it in there. But the point is I

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<v Speaker 4>was young and a kid trying to holler at chicks

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<v Speaker 4>and use all kind of words.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, a girl, we were.

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<v Speaker 3>A word all day, you know what I'm saying. But

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<v Speaker 3>like we're older than that.

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<v Speaker 4>We grow up and we learned and we evolved, and

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<v Speaker 4>we should not be doing that. As I'm forty eighty, fittes, No,

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<v Speaker 4>we should, you know, we gotta we gotta grow up.

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<v Speaker 1>A young girl just told me it was she was young.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a friend of ours. I can't remember who it is,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's worth telling the story that she's she got

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<v Speaker 1>to be forty five something. She's our friend, and she

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<v Speaker 1>said she was out somewhere the other night she turned

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<v Speaker 1>down a guy who started out cool, cool, but then

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<v Speaker 1>after a while he just started calling her dirty beads.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember who it was, and I'm like, what

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<v Speaker 1>is it in us? But as I told my son

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<v Speaker 1>the other day, there are a lot of men, not

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<v Speaker 1>just black men, but men in general. Wool's mama hurt them,

1:18:17.520 --> 1:18:20.000
<v Speaker 1>The ex girlfriend hurt them. When they were a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>the teacher talked to them and told them they wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>gonna never be nothing, And that may have been a

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<v Speaker 1>black woman or you know, some woman, and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of that stuff is coming up because it's not been

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<v Speaker 1>addressed because black men don't focus enough, and men in

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<v Speaker 1>general don't focus enough on self help.

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<v Speaker 4>And patriarchy, misogyny. It's all a part of American culture,

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<v Speaker 4>right to your point. And so yeah, man, it's it's

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<v Speaker 4>it's wild. But when this high ranking activist told me

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<v Speaker 4>she don't feel safe around black men she's a black woman,

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<v Speaker 4>that hurt me to my core, right because like, now,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we could fight back, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>We could stand up for our sisters, We could be

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<v Speaker 4>there for them, we could work together, we can make

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<v Speaker 4>sure they are centered, right and if we're not doing

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<v Speaker 4>that now in this moment, And again, you don't have

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<v Speaker 4>to vote for just because she's a black woman. She's

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<v Speaker 4>a better candidate and she happens to be a black woman,

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<v Speaker 4>and she has a better vision for the country in

1:19:18.800 --> 1:19:22.920
<v Speaker 4>my opinion, than this guy, Donald Trump. And just to

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<v Speaker 4>slide to the political piece after, you know, just moving

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<v Speaker 4>on to the political piece, and what are we gonna

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<v Speaker 4>do November sixth or whatever, the day after the election

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<v Speaker 4>to hold her accountable and ourselves accountable? And that's the thing,

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<v Speaker 4>ourselves accountable. There's no savior in the White House. It's

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<v Speaker 4>on us as people participating in this democracy. So we

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<v Speaker 4>got a lot of whack ass elected officials right down

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<v Speaker 4>the street from us who sit on our city council,

1:19:58.360 --> 1:20:03.160
<v Speaker 4>village state. They trash, they're not doing nothing, and they

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<v Speaker 4>have money and influence that they could be using. We

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<v Speaker 4>got to put pressure on them next day after the

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<v Speaker 4>election and keep that going.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree one hund what I want to say before

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<v Speaker 2>we close, because I know you got a lot to do.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, are you guys going to have this debate?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I see, well, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>We we told them Friday and and they went dark.

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<v Speaker 4>They ghosted us. So we love to see this. So

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<v Speaker 4>we followed up to see if we could do it

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<v Speaker 4>this week. I said Wednesday. Then I realized Wednesday wasn't good,

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<v Speaker 4>So we we're gonna try for Thursday. And notice how

1:20:38.240 --> 1:20:41.519
<v Speaker 4>they framed it, right, because they already know what I'm

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<v Speaker 4>coming with. Notice how they framed it. It was like

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<v Speaker 4>not a debate, a conversation. Listen, because those are those

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<v Speaker 4>are those are imperative. I want to sit in rooms

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<v Speaker 4>with other black men.

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<v Speaker 2>We have to do that and have real dialogue, because

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<v Speaker 2>to do that, I think that's where we are. We

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<v Speaker 2>are in this space right now where there has to

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<v Speaker 2>be real conversations. It has to be intentional because when

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<v Speaker 2>when when I'm online, because I don't actually I just

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<v Speaker 2>don't believe that the end is a real place. So

1:21:10.000 --> 1:21:11.280
<v Speaker 2>a lot of these people are boxed. But there are

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of people that actually know that, people that

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<v Speaker 2>close to me, and they say things that are very

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<v Speaker 2>strange and confusing to me, and I don't I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know when this narrative, You know what I'm saying, it's

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<v Speaker 2>very strange, But I don't know when this narrative of

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<v Speaker 2>a man standing up to protect and stand for the

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<v Speaker 2>honor of a woman became made you lessons This is,

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<v Speaker 2>this is, this is this is on the internet when

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<v Speaker 2>they calling you simp, they call you this and that,

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<v Speaker 2>when I don't even.

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<v Speaker 3>Know because I've never been that. I've been. I've been.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been a man my whole life, and I always

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<v Speaker 2>knew that women should feel comfortable and safe around me.

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<v Speaker 2>When I walked in my community, the old ladies felt

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<v Speaker 2>safe when they see me from right. That's that's what

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<v Speaker 2>that's what quote unquote gangster used to be in our community.

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<v Speaker 3>Little girls who felt like they can go to school safely.

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<v Speaker 2>They weren't gonna be this expected when they see me,

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<v Speaker 2>When mothers seeing me, they feel like my kids are

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be safe.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a d M from a young girl that

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<v Speaker 2>was hanging with us all week and her mother said,

1:22:08.840 --> 1:22:11.080
<v Speaker 2>I know my daughter is safe with you. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>men who looks like.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's not. But I'm trying to tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>If we live in Colward culture, culture shows something else

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<v Speaker 2>is how you can impose your will and your energy

1:22:21.720 --> 1:22:23.599
<v Speaker 2>and you're strong and you can make people feel less.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's why that's why Donald.

1:22:26.520 --> 1:22:29.400
<v Speaker 2>Trump even has a leg to stand on me because

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<v Speaker 2>that culture is what's being embraced now.

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<v Speaker 3>So I just want to say that. But before we leave,

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<v Speaker 3>just tell me, tell us what is next for Jamal Bone.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so I guess we got to do more work

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<v Speaker 4>around Colward culture because that's crazy kind of what you

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<v Speaker 4>just shared with me.

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<v Speaker 3>So again, right now I'm finishing out my term which

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<v Speaker 3>ends the ends the end of this year.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to be looking at a variety of opportunities

1:22:52.760 --> 1:22:58.799
<v Speaker 4>public sector, private sector, education, healthcare, technology. I'm not ruling

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<v Speaker 4>out a run for off again. At some point it

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<v Speaker 4>probably won't be Congress. There will probably be something in

1:23:04.800 --> 1:23:05.840
<v Speaker 4>the executive seat.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, not only that, right, And so I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>know why I said it, because I have too many

1:23:15.479 --> 1:23:18.599
<v Speaker 1>good friends in New York City. So I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna take it back. I'm gonna take you back

1:23:20.640 --> 1:23:22.080
<v Speaker 1>because I don't know who's gonna do what. But I

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<v Speaker 1>know one damn thing, y'all better get on the same

1:23:25.640 --> 1:23:29.719
<v Speaker 1>page about who's running and who everybody is gonna support,

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<v Speaker 1>because I do not have the stomach to deal with

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<v Speaker 1>you running. This one is running, that one's running, and

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<v Speaker 1>then it turns into a whole thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Correct, I'm not running for mayor, just to make that

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<v Speaker 4>real clear. But but the biggest thing I'm really interested

1:23:44.320 --> 1:23:50.519
<v Speaker 4>in we have incredible people, brilliant right hard in the

1:23:50.600 --> 1:23:56.080
<v Speaker 4>right place, doing incredible work all over the country. I

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<v Speaker 4>want to work on and figure out what does unity

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<v Speaker 4>and collaborateation really look like?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 4>What if we figured out how to bring together? You know,

1:24:06.600 --> 1:24:09.200
<v Speaker 4>we've already done it and I've actually seen it happen,

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<v Speaker 4>And I want to point to the Woman's not to

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<v Speaker 4>trigger anything for Tamika, but the Woman's March movement at

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<v Speaker 4>that particular moment when Trump won.

1:24:23.160 --> 1:24:24.760
<v Speaker 3>And I think it was a day after it was

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<v Speaker 3>a mass march and it wasn't. I'm sorry I messed

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<v Speaker 3>it up.

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<v Speaker 1>The day after it was a call for a mass

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<v Speaker 1>mark got it. When did the big march happened?

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you?

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<v Speaker 4>But that moment and with Tamika and Linda and Carmen,

1:24:44.840 --> 1:24:50.080
<v Speaker 4>what was on was on was on breakfast that moment

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<v Speaker 4>that combined with when George Floyd was Lynch and everybody

1:24:56.040 --> 1:24:58.680
<v Speaker 4>in the street, that energy, that's that's what they think,

1:24:58.760 --> 1:25:02.000
<v Speaker 4>That's what I want on the harness, That's what we

1:25:02.120 --> 1:25:06.280
<v Speaker 4>got to hont That's because that moment, that's when I

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<v Speaker 4>first was introduced.

1:25:07.479 --> 1:25:09.800
<v Speaker 3>I knew Linda before the first introduced to Tamika, and

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<v Speaker 3>it was just like this is the ship we need.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that was the movement, right.

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<v Speaker 4>So part of my work in the next chapter is

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<v Speaker 4>to figure out how to bring that together, in addition

1:25:19.479 --> 1:25:23.080
<v Speaker 4>to the friends and supporters I've made across the country

1:25:23.520 --> 1:25:30.920
<v Speaker 4>as it relates to Palestine specifically, because this black Arab

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<v Speaker 4>South Asian, just Jewish justice and humanity unity that's possible.

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<v Speaker 4>I think, I think is the thing that's gonna that's

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<v Speaker 4>gonna defeat white supremacy and.

1:25:42.520 --> 1:25:45.080
<v Speaker 1>People white people who feel marginalized.

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<v Speaker 3>Body fighting for justice and humanity.

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<v Speaker 4>Like that's what we got to be on because I'm

1:25:50.960 --> 1:25:53.439
<v Speaker 4>really clear, and I think we all are really clear,

1:25:53.960 --> 1:25:57.920
<v Speaker 4>like white supremacy is real, alive and well we are

1:25:58.080 --> 1:26:01.799
<v Speaker 4>colonized people, uh, and our brains and in our spirits.

1:26:02.479 --> 1:26:08.479
<v Speaker 4>And my focus is on decolonization, liberation and collaboration, and

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<v Speaker 4>if we get that right, we change the world. So

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna just keep trying to change the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Congressman Jamal Bauman, my forever, forever Congress Yeah, absolutely, and

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<v Speaker 1>our friend, we love you, We thank you for joining

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<v Speaker 1>us today. You know, I thought we were getting ready

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about the rally, the MAGA rally, because you

1:26:27.200 --> 1:26:31.519
<v Speaker 1>said something earlier that uh, you know, we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>people who's educating our kids, and I was going to

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<v Speaker 1>say that at the MAGA rally it was people there

1:26:36.760 --> 1:26:40.479
<v Speaker 1>that educate your children right this past weekend. But our

1:26:40.600 --> 1:26:44.160
<v Speaker 1>conversation evolved even from what we thought when you came

1:26:44.280 --> 1:26:46.280
<v Speaker 1>through the door to be in so much more about

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<v Speaker 1>vision and I appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, let's keep it going.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, thank you for joining us.

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<v Speaker 2>Shout out to our brother Jamal Bowman, Congressman Jamaal Bowman

1:26:57.200 --> 1:27:01.679
<v Speaker 2>for always coming with vision, with enlightenment. We're just things

1:27:01.720 --> 1:27:04.120
<v Speaker 2>that we need to talk about and it's coming from

1:27:04.160 --> 1:27:06.640
<v Speaker 2>the hip, being real and raw. So there's always a

1:27:06.680 --> 1:27:08.000
<v Speaker 2>dope interview when we have him.

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<v Speaker 1>He's too too as you always say, like too masculine

1:27:14.160 --> 1:27:17.560
<v Speaker 1>or they want you to be like go along to

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<v Speaker 1>get along, I mean, And the public Advocate Jamini William

1:27:21.040 --> 1:27:23.960
<v Speaker 1>spoke about that a week before last in the interview,

1:27:24.040 --> 1:27:28.479
<v Speaker 1>about that masculine masculinity factor and how that in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of ways is sort of missing from what is celebrated.

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<v Speaker 1>Not that they are not people within the Democratic Party

1:27:36.600 --> 1:27:41.800
<v Speaker 1>who are masculine, but what is celebrated, what is Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So I think in some ways that's something that has

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<v Speaker 1>been a strike against him, but it's always been what.

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<v Speaker 2>I love about him because when I hear him, it

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<v Speaker 2>gives me the energy that I want to give forward.

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<v Speaker 2>And he speaks the same way I would. He's weeks

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<v Speaker 2>matter of factly, you know, and he doesn't bite his tongue,

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't care if you agree with him or disagree,

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<v Speaker 2>he's made a position and he's an educated individual, and

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't come from a place of this emotion or irrationality.

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<v Speaker 2>It comes from a place of just knowing what you're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about and just being able to understand right from wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>being on the right side of history all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>So once again, to loot to Jamaal Bowman for his service,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and his his authenticity.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what, you gotta lose, lose for the

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<v Speaker 1>right reason. So I think that the way that he lost,

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<v Speaker 1>he was standing on principle. So that's the way you're

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to.

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<v Speaker 2>Be standing on principal. That brings me to my I

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<v Speaker 2>don't get it today. And there was an issue this week.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I've seen Chris Cromoll has a new podcast

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<v Speaker 2>that he's doing, and well, I've never seen it before.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know he was doing the podcast, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was talking about Kamala Harris, you know, he was he

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<v Speaker 2>was receiving some flak about him being critical talking about

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<v Speaker 2>her in a way and a lot of people, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>were giving him feedback that he didn't really agree with,

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<v Speaker 2>and he chose to respond.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I've never you know really ever had an issue

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<v Speaker 3>with Chris Cronmore.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, usually he has a fair take, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think just watching his new podcast or the podcast that

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<v Speaker 2>I just found that he had, I've seen that his

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<v Speaker 2>take is taken a little bit of a turn.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's way more unhinged. And a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>times when people are unhinged and they're not tied to networks,

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<v Speaker 2>you just actually get to hear exactly how they feel,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And Angela Rai spoke about when she talked about the

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<v Speaker 1>text message that she had with somebody on from CNN

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<v Speaker 1>and she felt disrespected.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just well, I'm saying, you get I do kind

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<v Speaker 3>of remember that she did say something about that.

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<v Speaker 2>And so when I'm when I'm listening to him, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there was the original podcast that they say that he

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<v Speaker 2>was speaking on. I was listening, I was like okay.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, at first, I was like, okay, I had

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<v Speaker 2>seen this statement on a lot of different pages about

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<v Speaker 2>what he said, so I was let me, I said,

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<v Speaker 2>let me listen, because I don't like to just take soundbites.

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<v Speaker 2>So I listened to the whole interview and I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I hear interview I didn't even hear the part that

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<v Speaker 2>I was talking that they were talking about. But this

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<v Speaker 2>was the prior interview that he originally did that people

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<v Speaker 2>were responding to, and in his response to people critique.

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<v Speaker 2>In his critique, he decided to make a statement talking

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<v Speaker 2>about Kamala and he stated that quote unquote, you people

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<v Speaker 2>didn't even want her, you know, and she's not the

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<v Speaker 2>black female Jesus, and Obama is not the black Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was so confused at this content text, and

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<v Speaker 2>when I'm listening to it, I'm like, what would make

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<v Speaker 2>him say that?

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<v Speaker 3>You know? So I put I responded.

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<v Speaker 2>I posted on my page like unfortunately, you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>you give people the opportunity to speak freely, you get

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<v Speaker 2>to see how they really feel, what they really think,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And a lot of people came and WAT said, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to hear the context, and I had already

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<v Speaker 2>heard the context.

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<v Speaker 3>I listened to the full interview.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I listened to the response, and he was he

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<v Speaker 2>was basically saying that they weren't above critique right, that

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<v Speaker 2>these individual But the racist part of it was you

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<v Speaker 2>saying that you people, first of all, you people is

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<v Speaker 2>a racist trope. We know what you people mean. It

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<v Speaker 2>means black people. It means pretty much your lesson, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're in this category. And then when he said she's

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<v Speaker 2>not the female black Jesus and Obama is not black Jesus,

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<v Speaker 2>that's directly to black people. Because if you're saying you people,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you say she because you don't need to

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<v Speaker 2>tell white people that she's not black Jesus because they

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<v Speaker 2>don't believe in black Jesus anyway. So you're not talking

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<v Speaker 2>to anybody else other than black people. So this was

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<v Speaker 2>a racist comment, and it showed that it was racist.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's no way that you can go around this being.

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<v Speaker 1>Racist, right Tabat Swan Bishop taverts Swan tore him up too. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so same thing and he told Swan, oh, it's shameful

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that, and Swan ate him alive.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and he tried to come into my DM.

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<v Speaker 2>So I wake up this morning and I see him

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<v Speaker 2>in my DM saying that he's an ally and I

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<v Speaker 2>got this wrong and it's shameful, and I said shameful.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, no, I didn't get this wrong. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you an allied, right, you would understand that you can't

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<v Speaker 2>use the term you people and then refer to her

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<v Speaker 2>as black female Jesus and refer to Obama as black

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus if you're talking to the Democrats, because this was

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<v Speaker 2>his position. I was talking to the Democrats. You know

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<v Speaker 2>you weren't talking to no Democrats, Chris. You know exactly

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<v Speaker 2>who you were speaking to. You know there's cold language.

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<v Speaker 2>You know exactly what you were talking about. If you

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<v Speaker 2>were allied, then you wouldn't know that those terms weren't

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<v Speaker 2>were off the table. You wouldn't know that you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have to refer to them as black anything. Because Jesus

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<v Speaker 2>is Jesus. You didn't have to say to black Jesus.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>You could have just said they're not Jesus Christ. She's

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<v Speaker 2>not Jesus, and he's not Jesus either. They're not above

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<v Speaker 2>somebody critiquing them, and people would have been able to

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<v Speaker 2>say whatever they wanted to say. But you made it

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<v Speaker 2>very clear that you were speaking to a black demographic.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you speak to a black demographic and you

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<v Speaker 2>call them you people, it's racist. It is a racist trope.

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<v Speaker 2>It's no way around it. And then when I gave

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<v Speaker 2>you the opportunity and I said, I took what you

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<v Speaker 2>said and if you made a mistake, then you could

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<v Speaker 2>as a man apologize, right, And then he came back

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<v Speaker 2>and said, no, I'm not going to apologize because I

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<v Speaker 2>said what I said and I didn't mean those what

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<v Speaker 2>you taking my world out of context and it's a shame,

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<v Speaker 2>and he continued to double down.

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<v Speaker 3>So what I don't understand. What I don't get is

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<v Speaker 3>how if.

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<v Speaker 2>You're an ally quote unquote, why would it make you

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<v Speaker 2>feel any lesson a way to apologize to people that

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<v Speaker 2>the black people that you insulted. Right, if you're an ally,

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<v Speaker 2>you would say okay, as a white man, it is

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<v Speaker 2>not my place to tell black people how they need

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<v Speaker 2>to feel about being insulted. As as a white man,

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm an ally of black people, then I should

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<v Speaker 2>acknowledge that I did something wrong to those black people.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't ask you to do anything other than to

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<v Speaker 2>say that I apologize for a mistake that I made.

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<v Speaker 2>But that means that you didn't make a mistake, Chris,

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<v Speaker 2>because you refuse to apologize. So as a white man

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<v Speaker 2>not being willing to apologize for insulting and disrespecting black people,

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<v Speaker 2>you are not an ally. You are nowhere near ally,

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<v Speaker 2>And I need you to understand that because we don't

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<v Speaker 2>need those kind of allies. You can't be an ally

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<v Speaker 2>to me when you can't even acknowledge and respect that

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<v Speaker 2>you disrespected me. We need you to go home and

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<v Speaker 2>look at what allyship looks like, Chris and understand that

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<v Speaker 2>what you did is not allyship. It is disrespect and

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<v Speaker 2>it's just racist. And until you acknowledge that, until you

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<v Speaker 2>make amends for that, I'm going to double down and

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<v Speaker 2>make sure that you understand that the terms and the

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<v Speaker 2>words that you use were racist.

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<v Speaker 1>About that.

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<v Speaker 2>And with that said, we've come to the end of

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