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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Battleground Podcast.

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Speaker 2: You'll play for all things.

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Speaker 3: And exclusive interviews with some of your favorite wrestlers abound.

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Speaker 4: Stop it, what's up you guys? Welcome back into iHeartRadio's

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Speaker 4: official wrestling podcast, the Battleground Podcast. It is battle from

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Speaker 4: one of your favorite iHeart Radio stations that you hear

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Speaker 4: across the country. And well, if you're looking for something

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Speaker 4: to do this weekend, I highly suggest going to the

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Speaker 4: movie to see what I know will be a fan favorite,

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Speaker 4: especially when it comes to the wrestling community.

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Speaker 2: Queen of the Ring in theaters this Friday.

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Speaker 4: The movie, of course, based on Mildred Burke of the NWA,

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Speaker 4: and you know her story and somebody who is a

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Speaker 4: part of the movie that helped told that story. Everybody

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Speaker 4: give it up for our guest today, Martin Cove joined us.

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Speaker 2: So, Martin, sir, how are you doing? It's an honor

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Speaker 3: I'm good. I'm really good. I think people really like

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Speaker 3: this movie. It's you know, ash Aveilson, who's you know

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Speaker 3: his father? I worked for a Karate Kid, he directed

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Speaker 3: Karate Kid, he directed Rocky. It's a terrific story, terrific

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Speaker 3: underdog story. And I only saw it a few days

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Speaker 3: ago and it was brilliant. I saw it in Nashville

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Speaker 3: and it was really terrific. And Emily is marvelous, Emily

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Speaker 3: Bets Richard's is marvelous. And the fighting is really good,

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Speaker 3: good good stuff. Women doing some work and female wrestlers,

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Speaker 3: and Emily does some great work as well. So it's

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Speaker 3: it's really good. It's kind of like watching Karate Kid,

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Speaker 3: you know, it's sort of like watching Rocky, you know,

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Speaker 3: all these elements.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was a fantastic movie.

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Speaker 4: We were part of the premiere last Thursday in Nashville.

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Speaker 2: A great movie.

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Speaker 4: Excited to see for the rest of the world to

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Speaker 4: see this in theaters this Friday. And of course you

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Speaker 4: play legendary promoter Al Haft, who a lot of people

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Speaker 4: know as the creator of the Midwest Wrestling Association and

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Speaker 2: What drew you to this product?

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Speaker 4: Were you a fan of professional wrestling before this was

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean I remember as a child growing up

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Speaker 3: I remember Channel nine, Channel eleven, you know, and I

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Speaker 3: Now I've done promo with Britt Baker, you know, and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So when when they when they brought this role

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Speaker 3: Well? Al Haft was you know, out of you know,

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Speaker 3: tycoon of the role that Walton played, you know, Walton's

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Speaker 3: just an underdog story. To me, is the most exciting

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, and I can't wait for everybody to see

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Speaker 4: Queen of the Ring in theaters this Friday.

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Speaker 2: We had a chance to see it last Thursday at

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Speaker 4: Everybody's gonna love this, especially if you're a rested fan,

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Speaker 4: even if you're not a wrestling fan, like you said

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Speaker 4: the under dog story. It's a great movie to go

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Speaker 4: see again. Quinnen the Ring in theaters this Friday. And

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Speaker 4: you know, one of the cool things when we saw

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Speaker 4: of it. Queen the Ring features several professional wrestlers in

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Speaker 2: She played June Byers.

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Speaker 4: How was your experience working alongside a lot of these

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Speaker 4: these athletes, These wrestlers turned actors and did their wrestling

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Speaker 4: back fluence backgrounds influenced the film's authenticity.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, I think that, you know,

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Speaker 3: game is going to rise. Emily, I don't think Emily

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Speaker 3: was uncanny how your game rises when it's like acting

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Speaker 3: They bring you game up. And there was a lot

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Speaker 3: sometimes that happens. Sometimes it doesn't happens in Cobra Kai

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Speaker 3: the heritage of Karate Karate Kid, you know, so it's

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Speaker 3: it isn't built in. The devotion, the seriousness, the basic preparation,

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Speaker 3: from preparation, because if you don't prepare in Karate Kid

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Speaker 3: got to really know what you're doing. And I bought

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Speaker 3: more moments in this movie than I did as a

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Speaker 4: You know, right, Yeah, And that's incredible because I mean,

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Speaker 4: like you said, you can see it play out on

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Speaker 4: you could see the like you said, the wrestlers, the

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, Emily is brilliant. She's really terrific. And

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Speaker 3: the tubes. You know, you just don't know, and underdog

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Speaker 3: if you didn't like John Crease and Cobra Kai and

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Speaker 3: He's not a villain. You got to develop these characters,

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Speaker 3: and Ash developed them, and the actors did really good work.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely phenomenal work. I gotta say again. Queen of

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Speaker 4: About this scene and like the creative discussion that led

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Speaker 1: Well, we always assume, you know, it's like there's one

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Speaker 3: And neither does John Creese, you know. And what happens

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Speaker 3: is we shot a scene where you just see my

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Speaker 3: Terry Silver? And we shot that scene and then they,

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Speaker 3: the writers decided it was a little Hollywood ending. Twenty

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Speaker 3: was so big that you know, John Crees no, unquestionably

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Speaker 3: got out. But the bottom line is, was he in

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Speaker 3: It was hokey, it was it would have been too

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Speaker 3: one believes that John Creese is dead anyway. You know,

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Speaker 3: he survives everything. And I was at that comic con

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Speaker 3: in Nashville. Nobody bought that he was dead.

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Speaker 2: John Grees is like Michael Myers. You can't kill him,

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Speaker 2: You can't.

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Speaker 3: You can't kill him. You know, it's just one of

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Speaker 4: you said, And again, I know we're here to talk

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Speaker 3: Well, just go to see this movie because it is

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Speaker 3: be written, so it shall be done, And remember mercies

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