Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.
Speaker 1: These are our stories.
Speaker 3: Dune done.
Speaker 2: Hey, it's that's messed up? An SVU podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Liza Trigger and I as always am Kara Klank
Speaker 1: and you guys hopefully should know the drill. We talk
Speaker 1: about an episode of Law and Order, sview a true
Speaker 1: crime that is based on and interview an awesome celebrity
Speaker 1: guest from the episode. And today is our one hundred episode.
Speaker 2: Wow, I forgot. That was a truly surprise. I'm like
Speaker 2: so excited.
Speaker 4: I can't believe, Like surprise, Lisa.
Speaker 2: I just can't believe we've done a hundred fucking episodes.
Speaker 4: Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 2: I can't believe we've talked to one hundred people I
Speaker 2: know and a hundred crimes.
Speaker 1: And one hundred crimes even more because sometimes we do
Speaker 1: two crimes, Oh my god, and yeah, and it feels
Speaker 1: like yesterday, like I still talk to people, and I'm
Speaker 1: like it's kind of new, like it's kind of a
Speaker 1: new podcast, but it's like we've been going on for like,
Speaker 1: it's like almost two years in a couple of Like
Speaker 1: we started in October recording, but the first episodes didn't
Speaker 1: come out until December.
Speaker 2: Wait, you know what, And the first crime we did
Speaker 2: is Leona Hemsley. And I didn't post these photos. I
Speaker 2: forgot because I had my Central Park photos that I
Speaker 2: loved so much laying on the ground.
Speaker 4: But I there's Hemsley buildings in New York.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, you're doing a lot of poses next
Speaker 2: to all the Hemsley's everywhere.
Speaker 4: Where you like, send out the dog. I was just
Speaker 4: reminiscing about her. Trouble Dog's name was Trouble. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: just that's very cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I recorded in so many different places, which is
Speaker 2: wild and situations and different.
Speaker 1: It's really yeah, And like I thought, I I thought, honestly,
Speaker 1: like in the back of my mind, I was like,
Speaker 1: I wonder if I'll get bored just like asking people
Speaker 1: about their s F experience.
Speaker 4: But like I haven't at all.
Speaker 1: Like everyone we've talked to, I feel like has been
Speaker 1: interesting and has had something different to say. And I
Speaker 1: like love everyone that we've talked to on this pod.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess there's probably one or two that
Speaker 1: weren't my shape, and.
Speaker 4: I'm here the name names.
Speaker 2: We're not gonna name names, but like, obviously you guys
Speaker 2: have favorites and not favorites too. Listen, there's some dishes. No,
Speaker 2: No one was like, I don't think so, but no,
Speaker 2: it's been very exciting and I like meeting everyone. It's
Speaker 2: just cool to be in people's days, you know, it's wild.
Speaker 2: It's like people listen as they do their laundry or
Speaker 2: do the dishes, or commuting or working out or like
Speaker 2: doing their makeup, and so it's like very cool to
Speaker 2: be in people's lives, routines, in their ears.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels cool and not to be annoying. But
Speaker 1: this is my job to tell you guys. But I'd
Speaker 1: like to be in your life even more when we
Speaker 1: come to your city on tour.
Speaker 4: Hello.
Speaker 1: This episode is wide releasing on November first, which means
Speaker 1: you've still got two weeks or so to get tickets
Speaker 1: for our Midwestern run of our tour. We're going to
Speaker 1: be in Rosemont, Illinois, which is right outside of Chicago,
Speaker 1: on eleven thirteen, Chicago at Zany's on eleven fourteen, Indianapolis
Speaker 1: on the fifteenth, Columbus on the sixteenth, Cleveland on the seventeenth,
Speaker 1: Detroit on the eighteenth, and Madison on the twentieth. Guys,
Speaker 1: come see us, and I think on the nineteenth are
Speaker 1: we going to stand up in Madison or in Detroit? Girl,
Speaker 1: I don't even know. Well, we're doing stand up at
Speaker 1: one of those places.
Speaker 2: So come see us do stand.
Speaker 3: Up to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And of course in December, we're gonna be in Florida,
Speaker 1: Tampa on the first, Miami on the third, and Orlando
Speaker 1: on the thirtieth of November. Sorry, I forgot about that
Speaker 1: Orlando date because it's kind of hanging off the edge
Speaker 1: of November there.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we're going to stay an umer day and
Speaker 2: like go to Universal Studios. Probably not, oh man, I
Speaker 2: would love to, or like i'd even go to like
Speaker 2: Bush Gardens.
Speaker 1: I fucking love amusement parks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go to a chiller one. I don't need
Speaker 2: to go to a popular one. The less people the
Speaker 2: better for me. What is Bush Gardens. I've never heard
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: I forget. It's a big Florida No, it's a I
Speaker 1: might have animals, but it's a big Florida amusement park.
Speaker 1: So we'll look into where I've been to it, but
Speaker 1: I think it was in Saint Petersburg. I can't remember.
Speaker 1: I will find out and we can maybe go because
Speaker 1: I love amusement parks. But yeah, we love you guys
Speaker 1: so much. We really love meeting people on our tours.
Speaker 1: We meet and greet like everybody afterwards, and we.
Speaker 4: Have exclusive merch for a tour only.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love sellar. Yeah, we sell cool merch that's
Speaker 1: only for SA on the tours. So yeah, even if
Speaker 1: you're coming by yourself, people are always like, I don't
Speaker 1: have anyone to go with me. Everybody makes a friend
Speaker 1: when they come to the show. So many people come alone,
Speaker 1: they always meet other people that listen. At the very least,
Speaker 1: you have our podcast in common. You can just sit
Speaker 1: and have a drink and watch our podcast together. So anyway,
Speaker 1: that's the end of my selling speech. I was talking
Speaker 1: to you the other day about the newest one of
Speaker 1: the newer episodes I have many times on this podcast
Speaker 1: mentioned that one of my most haunting episodes is Nicole
Speaker 1: Sullivan from Mad TV, like being raped on a subway
Speaker 1: car while many people are watching, and it's like so
Speaker 1: horrific to me and then one of the recent episodes
Speaker 1: of SVU, they just did it again in season twenty four.
Speaker 1: They just had this sixteen year old girl get assaulted
Speaker 1: in front of her entire family while by gang members
Speaker 1: with a machete, and then the dad gets like attacked
Speaker 1: as well with the machete.
Speaker 2: Like it's it was.
Speaker 1: I was like, you guys are bringing me back to
Speaker 1: that episode and I didn't like it.
Speaker 2: No, it was intense, the machete being with the family.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine. It's was a lot. It was a lot.
Speaker 1: I just like, I agree with what you were telling
Speaker 1: me the other day, Like it's just feels like there's
Speaker 1: a seriousness and like a heaviness And not that not
Speaker 1: that the show's subject matter does not deserve seriousness and heaviness.
Speaker 4: It is the most serious and heavy subject matter, But.
Speaker 1: I think what the reason one of the reasons we
Speaker 1: love the first like twelve or so seasons so much
Speaker 1: is because like Munch brought some levity, ic t brought
Speaker 1: some levity, Like there was a little bit of humor
Speaker 1: in it, and like.
Speaker 4: Craigan had little clips like yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 2: It seems like Benson's just like fighting the world constantly
Speaker 2: and these bad bosses and these horrific heavy things like
Speaker 2: you said, and it's like there just used to be
Speaker 2: a little comedy banter and a little spirit and funny
Speaker 2: lines and silly headlines and shit like that, and like, yeah,
Speaker 2: and I'm missing the humor. It's just like because like
Speaker 2: silly websites, like you know, just things that were like
Speaker 2: when you see us on tour.
Speaker 4: Actually, this isn't totally unrelated.
Speaker 1: Like we do a lot of we do mostly episodes
Speaker 1: from the first twelve seasons. Those we only do because
Speaker 1: they're the most fun to kind of like they're they're
Speaker 1: the only ones that have like a little bit of
Speaker 1: camp to them that we can make fun of on
Speaker 1: like when we do the live show, you know, and
Speaker 1: some people have been asking, they're like, are you guys
Speaker 1: going to cover these on the podcast? And just to
Speaker 1: let you know, our live shows are always not based
Speaker 1: on crimes. They're the ones that are not based on crimes.
Speaker 1: And they although a few of them I've gone back
Speaker 1: to look at and they are so maybe we will
Speaker 1: do a couple of them, but not what you see
Speaker 1: at the live show. Because the live show has PowerPoint,
Speaker 1: has all this visual stuff we show clips, we bring
Speaker 1: people up on stage, we can't get like releases for
Speaker 1: these people. Releases for these clips we can't show, so
Speaker 1: we and it wouldn't make any sense to just listen
Speaker 1: to it. So unfortunately, the live show is a singular
Speaker 1: experience and we will not be able to release them
Speaker 1: anywhere except when we do live streams. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: just like feel like I'm really missing Munch these days,
Speaker 1: like just someone who's like a conspiracy theorist or as
Speaker 1: something funny going on. It's like like Amanda Rollin's like
Speaker 1: rethinking every choice she's made in her life, or like,
Speaker 1: you know, even her relationship with Kreese seems like heavy,
Speaker 1: Like it's just there's no there's all that much lightness.
Speaker 1: I love to see a little bit more lightness on
Speaker 1: the show, just little DIBs and dabs. It's kind of
Speaker 1: makes it so you don't walk away from everyone being
Speaker 1: like every episode being like that was horrific because the
Speaker 1: world is doing enough of that already, right And.
Speaker 2: When we were talking, I said, I was like, I
Speaker 2: credit Neil Bear, this might that might be a Neil
Speaker 2: Bear signature, Hutch, because maybe that's the Warren light vibe
Speaker 2: is here. I don't know what it is, but I
Speaker 2: do credit Neil Bear a little bit to the little
Speaker 2: nod the Hollywood.
Speaker 1: I don't know, like, but Marishka is also like an
Speaker 1: EP on the show, so like you think that she
Speaker 1: has like some say of that.
Speaker 4: And everyone she's so funny.
Speaker 1: Exactly like ninety five out of one hundred guests or
Speaker 1: like she's so funny. So I'm just like, yeah, what
Speaker 1: happened to the I guess we talked to Mrshca One
Speaker 1: day we'll get to ask.
Speaker 2: Oh, we can't tell her the show you see funny.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go, what.
Speaker 4: Happened to a funny vibe?
Speaker 1: Girl? When did things get so serious? I'm gonna go,
Speaker 1: like that's the thing they were able, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you said joker.
Speaker 2: So I was talking to someone and we were talking tattoos,
Speaker 2: and then I was saying how I would love hand tattoos.
Speaker 4: I think it's like so cool, but I would never
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 2: And someone was like, oh, yeah, my friend has the
Speaker 2: Joker face on his hand, like on the what's.
Speaker 1: This part called yeah, yeah upper.
Speaker 2: D yeah, and it's like the jokers smile, and I go,
Speaker 2: that's disgusting. He'll never get a date ever in his
Speaker 2: life and he goes, WHOA, he is single. I go, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's like the international sign of like no one will
Speaker 2: fuck you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he said his friend in cell calling card.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said.
Speaker 2: His friend is fifty and single and has never really
Speaker 2: been in a relationship and can't figure it out. And
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, and I'm sure this joker hand
Speaker 2: tattoo is not helping.
Speaker 4: Do an experiment and wear a glove on a date.
Speaker 2: Well, no, it obviously infiltrates the personality, like you're just
Speaker 2: gonna get the joker on your hand, you know. But
Speaker 2: I wonder if people when they see me around how
Speaker 2: chili prepper tattoo, if they kind of assume something about
Speaker 2: me that is real or not?
Speaker 4: Like I wonder totally.
Speaker 1: And you know what's funny is like my brother Colin,
Speaker 1: who you've met, who is like not He's like a
Speaker 1: funny gay man, like not an inceel at all. Like
Speaker 1: was obsessed with the heath Ledger joker. Like the heath
Speaker 1: Ledger Joker. He had like a poster of it in
Speaker 1: his room. Like he was so in that way different
Speaker 1: and he's like it's changed, right, heath.
Speaker 2: Ledger was something special and like I didn't even watch it,
Speaker 2: but I feel like it's the Joaquin Joker.
Speaker 4: Everyone's talk.
Speaker 2: You're talking, it's like a stand up comic who's depressed.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, yeah, this is depressed women, Like
Speaker 2: I don't understand, you know, it's not getting fucked Kathy
Speaker 2: the comic and she just eats cheetahs. Like it's just
Speaker 2: it's crazy what these men. These men cannot handle it.
Speaker 2: They just really can't. Oh my god. I had like
Speaker 2: a cool moment, you know, I think I was telling
Speaker 2: you this, but at a comedy club, like a bunch
Speaker 2: of wo were hanging out outside and this guy was
Speaker 2: just like flipping out about something, just like like really
Speaker 2: flipping out. And then he said two women told him
Speaker 2: to like relax, and he was like, but you know,
Speaker 2: women just go off of their emotions. And then I calmly,
Speaker 2: have never been so calm in my Life's just like,
Speaker 2: seems like you're pretty emotional right now. And he couldn't
Speaker 2: even handle it or admit that he was being emotional.
Speaker 2: He was just like, I'm just explaining, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like I'm just explaining and it's like yeah,
Speaker 2: in an angry tone. And then he goes, I guess
Speaker 2: I can't here, and like you just got to protect
Speaker 2: your own and it was like I'm not protecting, but
Speaker 2: just admit, like, simmer down, bitch. They say that this
Speaker 2: isn't an original thought, but like men think anger isn't
Speaker 2: an emotion, they like call women emotional and then they're
Speaker 2: just starting wars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think emotional is only crying? They do,
Speaker 1: like they do.
Speaker 2: They don't think punching a hole in a wall is
Speaker 2: being emotional.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And this guy was like truly yelly.
Speaker 2: Like twelve other people were hanging out in silence as
Speaker 2: this dude was like flipping out about something and he
Speaker 2: was just like I'm just explaining, like I'm just passionate.
Speaker 2: You would know if I'm mad. And it's like, no,
Speaker 2: I see you all the time. You are really mad
Speaker 2: all the time. Like you you are very emotional.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, wait, can we please explain the video
Speaker 1: that you sent me this tweet yesterday? But then today
Speaker 1: I see retweeted it, so I think it's like kind
Speaker 1: of going viral like this guy. There was this like
Speaker 1: funny moment on like the People's Court where this guy
Speaker 1: is talking to the judge and being like, I, you know,
Speaker 1: you can't be happy with women or something like that,
Speaker 1: and the judge says, like, I don't know, he's happy.
Speaker 1: He's been married twenty years and points to this like
Speaker 1: really jacked bailiff who's there. And they have this funny
Speaker 1: conversation and the guy goes, I don't know, you look angry,
Speaker 1: like you don't look happy, and then they like, everyone funny,
Speaker 1: it's a funny haha People's Court moment. Everyone's laughing, and
Speaker 1: then they cut to news footage of this bailiff known
Speaker 1: for the People's Court a suspect in his wife's murder,
Speaker 1: like so wild, Like I'm going to retweet it on
Speaker 1: our account from uh from ice so everyone knows what
Speaker 1: we're talking about.
Speaker 4: But fuck that was I was like, where's this going?
Speaker 2: I tweet the one that I sent you the caption
Speaker 2: whoever reposted it wrote that escalated quickly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I thought.
Speaker 2: The bailiff was going to like jump and you know,
Speaker 2: hit the guy. I thought it was going to be
Speaker 2: in the court room, like I ever thought it was
Speaker 2: going to escalate to like and you know, I see
Speaker 2: who's chill as fuck on the internet. Was like this
Speaker 2: is wild crazy, like His caption is like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I love as damn you know what.
Speaker 1: You know what I think would be I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: this before we leave, just like the way I just
Speaker 1: said joker and you like had a story for it.
Speaker 1: I think it would be funny to do a podcast
Speaker 1: with you where I just come in with like five
Speaker 1: six random words prepared every week and we see where
Speaker 1: you go with them. I really think it would be
Speaker 1: so funny to just come in and be like Corvette
Speaker 1: and then you just like.
Speaker 2: Are like, oh no, I actually have a story about that.
Speaker 2: But the joker wasn't even like how did you get there?
Speaker 1: The word is equal to oh, yes, that was an
Speaker 1: easy one. Yeah that was.
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's like, but I've.
Speaker 2: Been in a Corvette and can I just say the
Speaker 2: leg room is nice, really nice? Like I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I get it, you know, like it felt nice.
Speaker 1: I don't like being that close to the street like
Speaker 1: with these like low to the ground like sports cars.
Speaker 4: I like being high up.
Speaker 2: You know, my god, you know who I want to
Speaker 2: shout out, don our fucking mechanic. I mean his name's
Speaker 2: not Don, it's Don's auto shop. His dad bought it.
Speaker 2: He works there and the best customer service I ever
Speaker 2: ever got in anywhere. He knows, he knows everyone's don's
Speaker 2: I walk in, he goes Lisa right away, and then
Speaker 2: so the next person came in, knew her name, knows everything,
Speaker 2: like so nice, always a good banter, like I love
Speaker 2: dropping my car off, I hate doing errands.
Speaker 1: They actually couldn't do something for me one time and
Speaker 1: sent me to another.
Speaker 2: Guy who gave me like a really good price.
Speaker 1: And because I was like, oh he sent me, you know,
Speaker 1: so it's like very neighborhoody shit.
Speaker 2: But the reason I thought of him because he has
Speaker 2: three cars, two he doesn't drive and one he does,
Speaker 2: so he has a sport like a racing car, his baby,
Speaker 2: and then his Audi that he uses.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, I got it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well we should also I thought you were going
Speaker 1: somewhere different with that. Thank you, But we should also
Speaker 1: thank our producer, Casey. Casey, it's our one hundredth episode.
Speaker 1: Thank you for thanking our great producer and everybody at
Speaker 1: exactly right, thanks for a hundred episodes.
Speaker 4: Should we shout out On a Lease they've been a
Speaker 4: part of On a Lease are amazing.
Speaker 1: I mean, Hannah at the beginning we've had an We've
Speaker 1: had an amazing list of great are We've got a
Speaker 1: great booker named Patrick. Guys, everybody at exactly right is
Speaker 1: awesome some and we are psyched to be here and
Speaker 1: passing our one hundredth milestone, and we hope to be
Speaker 1: here for our five hundredth episode because as view just
Speaker 1: has to keep going or we won't be able to wait.
Speaker 2: But we should say some sort of memories from our
Speaker 2: one hundred I guess this is a big deal. We're
Speaker 2: like talking about bailiffs murdering their wives, like we should.
Speaker 2: We should talk about something with us.
Speaker 4: I also like our merch. It's cute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we have new merch coming who knows when
Speaker 1: they already dropped.
Speaker 2: Hopefully by the time you hear this, I hope you've
Speaker 2: seen that we have new merch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully. We don't know the waiting, you know.
Speaker 4: Trying to get it in for the holiday season.
Speaker 1: We're part of, oh yeah, it'll be in for holidays,
Speaker 1: but this comes out like November first. I don't be
Speaker 1: ready by then, but it'll be down for holidays for sure.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's messed up. Live dot Com is our tour, guys,
Speaker 1: Come see us, come help us celebrate one hundred amazing episodes.
Speaker 4: And I don't know what.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Do you have like a favorite interview, Like no, but
Speaker 2: I think about Helen Shaver a lot.
Speaker 4: You know, the director. I really liked her.
Speaker 2: I feel like I whenever I brag about guests, like
Speaker 2: when I'm out in a bout with like just socializing,
Speaker 2: I always say, lou Diamond Phillips, that's where.
Speaker 1: Ye start you do. He is your baseline brag. I'm
Speaker 1: always like, we got Y Cleft because he was so
Speaker 1: huge for like my college music life.
Speaker 2: But and then I go to the cast, you know,
Speaker 2: I say, we've got Beady Wonk. But I depending on
Speaker 2: who I'm talking to you, it's like the actor's name
Speaker 2: or the characters. But if it's an I'm like, we
Speaker 2: got Craigan, Yeah, we got Novack, we got Yeah. I
Speaker 2: think Bert Trevor was the most like I was like, Wow,
Speaker 2: You're just the hottest person ever, so hot. I feel
Speaker 2: like Andy Powers I was very smitten for that was
Speaker 2: like an exciting one.
Speaker 1: Yeah you loved Andy Powers, That's true. I really love
Speaker 1: Jacqueline Smith gorgeous, a woman who has never done a podcast,
Speaker 1: just sitting looking beautiful in her in her California.
Speaker 2: I got a few first podcasters on yeah, and I
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: Karen Karen Lee we just had it was her first podcast.
Speaker 1: Delaney Williams had never done a podcast, so we're breaking
Speaker 1: them in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and hopefully they'll keep on coming. I mean Marcia
Speaker 2: gay Harden. I remember when she was booked. That was
Speaker 2: that was a moment for us.
Speaker 1: It was hard to continue from there. We just like
Speaker 1: came out of the gate almost with an Oscar winner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even right away, I feel like we we
Speaker 2: were good.
Speaker 1: We were challenge.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, congratulations too.
Speaker 1: Honestly, me and you like us like we I love us.
Speaker 4: Our dynamic, our virgo dynamic.
Speaker 1: It works, Yeah, the opposite sides of some kind of
Speaker 1: wild virgo spectrum.
Speaker 4: Oh, I like Jeffrey Kobert. That's how.
Speaker 1: That's how you say we love.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like I feel like I was transfixed with it.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, meditate, okay, I'll rub a horse.
Speaker 1: And then Missy Pile, I was like best friends with
Speaker 1: Missy Pyle. I keep I'm like I'm going to DM
Speaker 1: her and be like you want to get dinner. I tried.
Speaker 2: I did try to dm did you say I tried
Speaker 2: to do a group chat. I don't think she responded, yeah,
Speaker 2: she never.
Speaker 1: I don't think she's on there very much. I don't
Speaker 1: think we tried to just tell her, hey, everybody loves
Speaker 1: your interview, and she was just like not.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if she's on very much. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean Mark first. I mean that's newer, so it's
Speaker 2: like freshman head. But like we said, it's one hundred episodes.
Speaker 2: It's like tough to even put them all together. It's like,
Speaker 2: what's going on?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but let's let's dive into the episode because I
Speaker 1: will say I love our guest today. We had an
Speaker 1: amazing today, huge hundred of guests. I think for us
Speaker 1: we loved talking to this person. You guys are gonna
Speaker 1: love it. But let's get started with today's episode because
Speaker 1: it's a fucking class seek and thanks for listening.
Speaker 4: Yes, we love you guys.
Speaker 2: Hi.
Speaker 1: Today we're doing Paternity season nine, episode nine, Brooklyn nine nine.
Speaker 4: We open on.
Speaker 2: All watching this, didn't remember anything. I was on the
Speaker 2: ED Jimmy see like, I think it's and I started crying.
Speaker 2: I think this is like a William Lewis for me.
Speaker 2: I think I avoided on purpose. Oh really, yeah, I
Speaker 2: was like fully crying when the accident happened.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I was tearing up.
Speaker 1: The accident is dramatic, and I think that, like I
Speaker 1: always remember there being the accident, and I think that
Speaker 1: the accident almost overshadows the rest of the plot of
Speaker 1: the episode. That's why I was like, yeah, well, I
Speaker 1: you know, anyway, we'll get into it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I didn't know anything. I saw the
Speaker 2: mom I'm like, who is this woman? Like I just
Speaker 2: really it's like I was watching it for.
Speaker 1: The first time, which is sometimes can be fun, but
Speaker 1: maybe not in this case. We open on a little
Speaker 1: blonde bowl cut like bobbing and weaving down a Manhattan sidewalk.
Speaker 1: It's a little kid and there's a grown man chasing him,
Speaker 1: telling him to stop, and it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just not the that's really not the way to
Speaker 1: do it. If you're just like a man running after
Speaker 1: a kid, you gotta be like Bobby stop, Like he
Speaker 1: was just like stop, Like he seemed like a villain.
Speaker 1: So right as he grabs the kid, they're in front
Speaker 1: of this nice lady who's like, what's up sketchball? What
Speaker 1: did you do to this kid? He's got blood all
Speaker 1: over the front of him, And this is our cold
Speaker 1: open moment, and so when the parent then we cut
Speaker 1: to the paramedics checking him out. He actually has no
Speaker 1: visible injuries, like he's covered in someone else's blood, which
Speaker 1: is good news. Uh, but also, who was that guy?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think he was a guy. I honestly think he
Speaker 1: was a guy that just saw a kid covered in
Speaker 1: blood and was like, hey, kid, stop, let me help you, okay,
Speaker 1: and like yeah, and then it looked very sketchy unfortunately, because.
Speaker 4: Al yeah, like he even looks trustworthy.
Speaker 1: I think they want you to think, like, what is
Speaker 1: going on here? Yeah, but totally the gel helps with that.
Speaker 1: So the paramedics, yeah, check him out, and Benson and
Speaker 1: Stabler are there and they're like, yeah, like give us
Speaker 1: the clothes, we're gonna run it for DNA. And they
Speaker 1: asked the boy's name and he says Tommy. And we
Speaker 1: have a listener named Christine. I think it's it's Christine s.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say her last name in case
Speaker 1: she didn't want it. And she's been contacting us since
Speaker 1: the beginning of our podcast, and notice has always noticed
Speaker 1: that there is an insane number of Tommy's in the
Speaker 1: SVU universe, Like, and she made a list of them
Speaker 1: and sent it to us, and there are thirty seven
Speaker 1: characters on her list name Tommy. And it's wild because
Speaker 1: it's like, I know, Dick Wolfe has kids named Elliott, Olivia, Serena,
Speaker 1: and Rex who have all been characters in the universe.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, does he have a dog named Tommy?
Speaker 1: What's with the Tommy? There are a lot of Tommy's, sir,
Speaker 1: this one is one of the cutest ones. He's in
Speaker 1: competition with that other little boy, but like he is, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a very cute little Tommy McGrath's name is Tommy, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of Tommy's. Anyway, they ask
Speaker 1: him his mom's name and he says Mommy, And you know,
Speaker 1: I was kind of proud because I'm like, Rosie is
Speaker 1: also three years old, as is this child, and she
Speaker 1: definitely knows her last name, and she knows her names
Speaker 1: are Jared and Kraba because she calls us that all
Speaker 1: the time. So if you asked her, she'd be like,
Speaker 1: my dad is Jared Jared, Like she only says his
Speaker 1: name in my tone of voice, like when I'm yelling
Speaker 1: at it. It's really funny. But anyway, Tommy goes, I
Speaker 1: want my daddy and leaps into Elliot's arm arms, something
Speaker 1: most of the internet would also love to do, I'm sure,
Speaker 1: and Stabler's like, we're going to find him, and then
Speaker 1: it's the credits. Okay, at the precinct, little Tommy is
Speaker 1: still baby Koala with Daddy Koala just like on top
Speaker 1: of Elliott head on his shoulder. My kids will never
Speaker 1: lay their heads on my shoulder, and I love it
Speaker 1: so much, and they'll never do it because they're not chill.
Speaker 1: But I just really love when a kid just chills
Speaker 1: on your shoulder with his head and Live is telling
Speaker 1: Craigan what the deal is. She's like, he's been like
Speaker 1: this for an hour. He will not let go of
Speaker 1: Daddy's Addie, Stabler, and then we've got Finn and Lake
Speaker 1: on the case and they're like, nothing's popping up a
Speaker 1: missing person's we're canvassing, but it's like we found him
Speaker 1: on the Upper West Side. There's like six hundred apartments
Speaker 1: around the block where he was found, and they're like,
Speaker 1: someone's got to know this kid, and they're like, what
Speaker 1: if he doesn't live in that neighborhood. Maybe someone killed
Speaker 1: his parents and dropped him off far from the crime scene.
Speaker 1: Like there's spitballing ideas. Craigan's like, I'm going to call
Speaker 1: in my connects at the local news station and get
Speaker 1: Tommy's face out there and lives like why not make
Speaker 1: it a live story and milk it? And it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't really know what the point of that is.
Speaker 1: I feel like a photo would have worked fine. But
Speaker 1: we cut to Stabler on the news looking into camera
Speaker 1: holding Tommy being like, if you know Tommy, please come forward,
Speaker 1: and or if you know this boy? I think maybe
Speaker 1: he doesn't say the name. That would have been smart
Speaker 1: to not say the name, and they're pleading for anyone
Speaker 1: who recognizes him to come forward, and then the woman
Speaker 1: who is the news reporter goes, we'll have more on
Speaker 1: than the story of Tommy the boy with no last name.
Speaker 1: I'm Jackie Judd live from SVU, and I like her already.
Speaker 1: I want more Jackie Judd. Craigan wants them to drop
Speaker 1: Tommy at ACS, but Elliot, it's like, naw, this kid's
Speaker 1: gonna freak out if I leave him. Why don't I
Speaker 1: stay here and man the phones and then you and
Speaker 1: Finn and Lake can go out and do all the
Speaker 1: work and live is like okay, but like he needs
Speaker 1: rest and a bath and fresh clothes, and Stabler's like,
Speaker 1: I'm on It. Cut to Stabler and his wife Kathy,
Speaker 1: who is massively pregnant, bathing Tommy at their house, and
Speaker 1: I was just loling all night about the idea of
Speaker 1: an NYPD detective being able to just take a little
Speaker 1: boy home to his house to give him a bath, Like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you go home and take a bath with this cop
Speaker 1: and we'll try to find your parents. Like it's so
Speaker 1: TV and funny. They're talking about how they haven't done
Speaker 1: this in fifteen years, and she's like, are you ready
Speaker 1: to do it all over again? And so I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: how long has it been? Like what are the kids' ages?
Speaker 1: Because I forgot that he knocked up Kathy at seventeen,
Speaker 1: So at this point, Maureen is twenty three, Kathleen is nineteen,
Speaker 1: and the twins are fourteen. It's so beyond my level
Speaker 1: of comprehension to then have a baby when your youngest
Speaker 1: kids are teenagers.
Speaker 4: Was it planned?
Speaker 1: I doubt it?
Speaker 4: Was oh, maybe it.
Speaker 1: Wasn't planned, but oh yeah, they're of course not going
Speaker 1: to do any kind of selective but I just couldn't.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, nope, not out, Like I don't know
Speaker 1: if I was like done. I mean, she's having her
Speaker 1: fifth baby at the time that I basically had my
Speaker 1: second baby in her life, so it's like, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I definitely waited longer than seventeen to have kids, but
Speaker 1: it's just wild the age gap. I like didn't realize
Speaker 1: Eli was so much younger than the rest of the kids.
Speaker 1: So anyway, Kathy's like, I really think I'm having a
Speaker 1: girl and I haven't been wrong yet, and she's like,
Speaker 1: but you really want a boy, right, And Stabler's like,
Speaker 1: I just want it to be healthy, but like, duh,
Speaker 1: he definitely wants a boy, Like he's basically kidnapped Tommy,
Speaker 1: like he wants a boy, and Kathy's like, we can't
Speaker 1: keep him, and Stabler's like, I know, but you can
Speaker 1: tell he's kind of disappointed because he wants to keep Tommy.
Speaker 1: And so now at the precinct, Finn is interviewing this
Speaker 1: woman who says she's Tommy's mom. But when Tommy comes
Speaker 1: in he does not know this woman, and the woman
Speaker 1: is like immediately fruit looping out. It's like in Annie
Speaker 1: when all the people come out of the woodwork to
Speaker 1: say that they're Annie's like real mom with the locket
Speaker 1: or whatever. So anyway, they get the nutball out of there,
Speaker 1: and then Finn's like, sorry, she sounded legit on the phone.
Speaker 1: I didn't know she was from planet zero, which I
Speaker 1: don't really know what that means, but burne And now
Speaker 1: suddenly they they send it another guy and it's a
Speaker 1: handsome blonde banker man in a suit and he's frantically
Speaker 1: asking for Tommy. And this guy looked familiar to me.
Speaker 1: He's like a very generic hot guy. His name is
Speaker 1: Mark Valley, and he was like a regular on Boston
Speaker 1: Legal for a long time, and then he was on
Speaker 1: Harry's Law. He was on the show called Hume Target,
Speaker 1: like where he was just like a hot guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like he's just like a hot action man kind of.
Speaker 1: But then has also been in some legal.
Speaker 2: Showsay, Human Target reminded me of something off topic. But
Speaker 2: do you read about that woman with Alzheimer's No, So
Speaker 2: the son donated his mother's body to science to Alzheimer's research,
Speaker 2: and then the government sold it to like NASA and
Speaker 2: they strapped her body into like a spaceship and exploded
Speaker 2: her body. What Yeah, like the government sold her for
Speaker 2: like six thousand dollars or bought her and then exploded
Speaker 2: her in some kind of ship or how did people
Speaker 2: even find out about this girl? I don't know, And
Speaker 2: you know, I didn't click the article.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just.
Speaker 2: Saw woman and Alzheimer's like take it. But then the
Speaker 2: comments were so mean towards the guy. They're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: this piece of shit son didn't want to spend money
Speaker 2: on a funeral and just gave his mother to research.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, I didn't realize that that's
Speaker 2: maybe a thing I forgot, Like they're preying on the
Speaker 2: poor in a different way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but also she had Alzheimer's. He's donating her body
Speaker 1: to science. He's doing a.
Speaker 2: Service, like instead of what like paying thousands of dollars
Speaker 2: for her to rot in the ground as worm food
Speaker 2: like ew. Well, that point was just like the internet's
Speaker 2: wild with opinions like I would have never even thought
Speaker 2: about that. Oh, let me write Alzheimer's woman explosion, Like
Speaker 2: hold on, let me see it elderly blown up by
Speaker 2: US Army explosive.
Speaker 1: I just don't even get how the story got out.
Speaker 1: Someone must have leaked it, because like, the government wouldn't
Speaker 1: be so stupid to be like, hello, we're like writing
Speaker 1: to let you know that we've blown your mother up.
Speaker 1: Thank you for donating her body.
Speaker 2: Yeah, explosives testing, and she looks just like an She
Speaker 2: was then supposedly strapped in a chair on some sort
Speaker 2: of apparatus and a detent detonation took place underneath her
Speaker 2: to basically kind of get an idea what the human
Speaker 2: body goes through when a vehicle is hit by an ied.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, So it wasn't space, they just exploded her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was the Archemy, not NASA. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: that which makes more sense to be hones.
Speaker 4: Sure, but horrific.
Speaker 1: Like I'd honestly, I'd rather my grandmother be shot into
Speaker 1: space and blown up than just like blown up by
Speaker 1: the army, honestly. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: And so the family is now suing Biological Resource Center,
Speaker 2: the company that sold her body to the US Army.
Speaker 1: It good get that money. That's fucked up.
Speaker 2: Biological Research Center has since closed this doors after the
Speaker 2: FBI raided its facility in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: Oh so this is a while ago. Damn, that's fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: It is crazy.
Speaker 4: I can't believe you didn't see that, but I'm glad
Speaker 4: I let you know.
Speaker 1: Sure didn't. But yes, thank you for telling me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: be careful where you die. I also once again lessons
Speaker 1: in where Lisa's mind goes. I don't know what that
Speaker 1: has to do with human target, but I love that
Speaker 1: that jogged you and that we got to that story.
Speaker 1: So anyway, Yeah, this guy, Mark Valley, he's chiseled, jaw
Speaker 1: generic hotman, comes in and he's like, my name's Jake Keegan.
Speaker 1: I'm Tommy's dad. They're like, why didn't you report hi missing?
Speaker 1: He's like, because I thought he was at home, Like
Speaker 1: my cousin just saw him on the news. Like what
Speaker 1: the fuck is going on? And Tommy is standing with
Speaker 1: Elliott like on the other side of the window because
Speaker 1: he doesn't want Tommy to be exposed to anymore kooks,
Speaker 1: and so he's like, did you see anyone out there
Speaker 1: that you know? And he goes, Daddy, you finded him
Speaker 1: a positive ID And Tommy goes running out to his
Speaker 1: dad and Jake's like, oh my gosh, I'm not even
Speaker 1: sure how he got the door open. Like he's acting
Speaker 1: very chill, like, okay, now that I have Tommy, everything's fine.
Speaker 1: And it's like, hey, have you talked to your wife?
Speaker 1: Because your son was covered in blood when we found him,
Speaker 1: So now Jake seems very concerned.
Speaker 2: They all go to the apartment. There's like blood on
Speaker 2: the walls. Jake is yelling Leah, Leah, Leah, his wife's name.
Speaker 1: They find a blonde woman lying face down in the bed,
Speaker 1: blood everywhere. She's very dead, and then Jake gets closer
Speaker 1: and realizes, oh, that's not my wife. It's Jody, our nanny.
Speaker 1: But she was supposed to be off today, so dune done.
Speaker 1: What's going on? Melinda tells them now as she zips
Speaker 1: up the body bag, that Jody was raped and then
Speaker 1: beaten to death around eleven am this morning. There's fresh
Speaker 1: semen on the comforter, so they do have DNA. They
Speaker 1: need to get Jake's DNA to exclude him, and Stabler's like,
Speaker 1: maybe don't exclude him. He's not the first guy trying
Speaker 1: to diddle the babysitter. And I have to say, I
Speaker 1: really hate diddle. I don't know if I've talked about
Speaker 1: this on the podcast before, but they say it on
Speaker 1: the show all the time, like this guy likes diddling
Speaker 1: little kids, like I don't. It's like it sounds like
Speaker 1: you're trying to make it cute. I don't really like diddle.
Speaker 1: It's gross. It sounds like child talk to me. I
Speaker 1: don't like it. So Jake has no idea where his
Speaker 1: wife is. He's like, we spoke this morning. She said
Speaker 1: she was going to be home all day. And then
Speaker 1: Finn's like, oh, her credit card was used to gas
Speaker 1: up on the New Jersey Turnpike at twelve thirty, and
Speaker 1: then the security camera shows her at a toll booth
Speaker 1: with a man in the passenger seat. And then Finn
Speaker 1: shows us a crisp picture of this on his BlackBerry,
Speaker 1: which is so funny to me because like we used
Speaker 1: to think that BlackBerry photos were like I could not
Speaker 1: believe the sharpness of a BlackBerry photo. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I can't believe I could take a
Speaker 1: photo on my phone. And now when you look back
Speaker 1: at those, you're like, was there vasoline on my camera?
Speaker 1: It's wild? Anyway, the husband immediate goes she must have
Speaker 1: been kidnapped. And it's like, this bro is so confident
Speaker 1: that his wife is not just like cheating on him
Speaker 1: or lying to him about where she is, that he
Speaker 1: immediately goes to kidnapping where the kidnapper, Where the kidnapper
Speaker 1: makes her drive the car, like she's.
Speaker 4: Just handing money on that would work.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, there is a dead babysitter in the bed,
Speaker 2: So your brain is like, it is probably going to
Speaker 2: the worst case scenario. True, that's true. That's true.
Speaker 1: Once you've seen a dead babysitter, you're like, it's the
Speaker 1: guy who did it, and he took my wife.
Speaker 4: God, yeah, that does make sense.
Speaker 1: But when he goes away, they're like, listen, there is
Speaker 1: a second charge on the card for a motel room
Speaker 1: in Morristown, New Jersey. So now they're like that they
Speaker 1: were discreet about they were discreet. That's nice. They were
Speaker 1: they were doing they were doing a solid for Jake Keegan.
Speaker 1: So now they're at the motel and some dorky guys
Speaker 1: like bringing them to the room. When they get there,
Speaker 1: they hear screams coming from inside the room, so they
Speaker 1: let themselves in with the key, guns drawn and they
Speaker 1: find two people having clearly loud sex and she he's like,
Speaker 1: what do you people think you're doing, and like you
Speaker 1: can't just bargein here, And then they're like it's okay, Leah,
Speaker 1: you're safe, and she's like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: This is my boyfriend. And as usual, they were like
Speaker 1: very busy buying into the kidnapping theory that they were
Speaker 1: very shocked that this one was just having an old
Speaker 1: fashioned affair, which I guess, which I get now that
Speaker 1: you've explained to me. Like everyone thinks that whoever killed
Speaker 1: this girl has now taken the wife since she was
Speaker 1: supposed to be home. So this woman's missed a lot
Speaker 1: of crazy stuff while she was just fucking in a
Speaker 1: shitty New Jersey motel, like and also it's like wild
Speaker 1: to just turn your phone off like for all of that.
Speaker 1: But you know, she missed a lot. Her son was lost,
Speaker 1: her son was found, you know, she was tracked down.
Speaker 1: It's a lot. There was a whole news report. So
Speaker 1: now Tapaac two, Leah's at the precinct, like tears in
Speaker 1: her eyes, explaining that she loves Jake, but he's a workaholic.
Speaker 1: She was lonely Matt made her feel special, and I
Speaker 1: do immediately hear an accent on this woman and she
Speaker 1: is British. Her name is Anastasia Griffiths. She was in
Speaker 1: one of my favorite shows, Damages, as well as Royal
Speaker 1: Pains with our new bff Mark Feyerstein.
Speaker 4: So she's been working.
Speaker 5: Bro.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that you like Damages this. Oh my,
Speaker 1: you've ever mentioned it? Oh no, haven't I mentioned it before?
Speaker 1: When I used to watch Damages, Lisa, I was like
Speaker 1: an addict, Like I would be up at three in
Speaker 1: the morning, and I'd be like, what does it matter
Speaker 1: if I go to bed at three? Verses four, Like
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna watch one more episode. Like I was
Speaker 1: crazy how obsessed with that show I was and what
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 4: It's Glenn Close, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Glenn Close and Rose Burne. It's like Rose
Speaker 1: Byrne's first breakout thing. And what are they lawyers? Lawyers,
Speaker 1: the high fucking high fucking power lawyers. Like she's Glenn
Speaker 1: Close is very like Devilwar's productesque, like Top of but
Speaker 1: without the funniness, Like it's there's like murder and intrigue
Speaker 1: and backstabbing and like manipulation it's like it's really good.
Speaker 4: I believe it. Great actresses.
Speaker 1: Also.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this, but Tone Bell
Speaker 2: was in Mark Feuerstein's show JKL for nine or whatever.
Speaker 1: No, he was the neighbor. Oh man, he gets out
Speaker 1: there and work. He's working.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's working, always working, always booked.
Speaker 1: He had such a fun show with Joe DeRosa about
Speaker 1: hip hop at the Meltown that I went time once
Speaker 1: and it was so fun. It was called can I
Speaker 1: Kick It Anyway? Okay, So Anastasia slash Leah, the mom
Speaker 1: is just like get me out of here, like I
Speaker 1: need to go see my son Tommy. And they're like, uh, hello,
Speaker 1: one quick thing. You're dead nanny and she barely cares.
Speaker 1: She's like, listen, she was a nice kid, a Mormon
Speaker 1: from Utah. I don't know anything. And Stabler immediately is
Speaker 1: like Judge, Judy. He's like, oh, well, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just like you brought your nanny in on her day
Speaker 1: off so you could go have a New Jersey fuck fest,
Speaker 1: and now you don't want to help us like figure
Speaker 1: out anything about her and lives, like please like answer
Speaker 1: a few of our questions, and she goes, I'll talk
Speaker 1: to you, but I'm not talking to Detective Dick. And
Speaker 1: that's what she calls stabler.
Speaker 2: But it's like you are truly unfazed that this woman
Speaker 2: was brittally murdered in yeah, yeah, yeah, and it could
Speaker 2: have been her.
Speaker 1: I guess, like, you know, we don't know what happened, right,
Speaker 1: so or like your son, I mean, I guess she
Speaker 1: wants to get to her son because he possibly witnessed
Speaker 1: a full murder, Like it's really you know, traumatic, so
Speaker 1: poor Tommy, Oh my god. Okay, So she says she
Speaker 1: won't talk to Detective Dick, and she tells live how
Speaker 1: they found Jody. They advertised in a paper in Utah
Speaker 1: because Mormons make the best nannies. They don't drink, they
Speaker 1: don't smoke, they come from big families, and they speak English. Okay,
Speaker 1: but like it feels like they can only be your
Speaker 1: nanny for like a minute until their boyfriends get home
Speaker 1: from their missions. But whatever, if you're looking for a
Speaker 1: life long nanny, I don't think these are the ones.
Speaker 1: But she's the only one. Jody was the only one.
Speaker 2: With another I can't believe these Mormons are going to
Speaker 2: New York City.
Speaker 1: Oh that's in my notes, that is in my fucking notes.
Speaker 1: I'm like, these girls are in New York, Like, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: So she tells them that Jody is the only other
Speaker 1: one with the key to the house, and she would
Speaker 1: never have opened the door of a complete stranger, so
Speaker 1: it must have been someone she knew. And she goes,
Speaker 1: I only know two of her friends. They're Becca and Kimberly,
Speaker 1: two other Mormon nannies. So now we are at this
Speaker 1: playground on Columbus on the Upper West Side, which does
Speaker 1: not exist because I check the address and it's one
Speaker 1: block from my old apartment and it's not real. But
Speaker 1: the Mormon nannies are dressed extremely mormonly and like you know,
Speaker 1: the neck sweaters with collared shirts underneath, and like kneelink skirts.
Speaker 1: And the first thing we hear is one girl going,
Speaker 1: oh my heck when she hears about her dead friend. So,
Speaker 1: you know, consummate religious girls, they're not going to break
Speaker 1: and say the F word, so or the H word. Actually,
Speaker 1: what would you say? Oh my hell, oh my heck.
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, the whole phrase makes no sense. So
Speaker 1: they tell the detectives that she was engaged and that
Speaker 1: her fiance was on his mission in Peru and that
Speaker 1: they'll all go home after their boyfriends get back, and
Speaker 1: I wrote, yeah, like it's so hard for me to
Speaker 1: believe that Mormon parents are like, Okay, while your boyfriend's
Speaker 1: on his mission, we're going to send you to the
Speaker 1: evil city of New York.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: So anyway, the nannies are clearly hiding something, and stablers
Speaker 1: like spill it and they do. They're like, listen, Jody
Speaker 1: was acting weird the last few months, dressing kind of slutty.
Speaker 1: Stop coming to the playground and they're like, well, where
Speaker 1: was she going? And they're like, just online, like she
Speaker 1: missed her boyfriend and she was looking for someone to
Speaker 1: talk to. They said they stopped by the house last
Speaker 1: week and they saw Jody kissing some guy who was leaving.
Speaker 1: And what was the website called faceunion dot com and
Speaker 1: this episode, yeah, and this episode is from November of
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, and I joined Facebook literally October
Speaker 1: of two thousand and seven, so I think they're definitely
Speaker 1: jumping on, like when everybody was like getting into Facebook
Speaker 1: around that time. The face Union feels a lot more
Speaker 1: like Tasty Sugar, Like they go to it and It's
Speaker 1: like Jody has hot picks up and is like advertising
Speaker 1: herself as like a hot young nanny looking for fun.
Speaker 1: Like I always thought face Union was just like Facebook,
Speaker 1: like friends chatting and not like what's up, I'm horny
Speaker 1: and young, come over, you know. But in her face
Speaker 1: Union account they find her corresponding over email with multiple dudes.
Speaker 1: Three dudes okay. One is named Taylor Braville who's a
Speaker 1: junior in college, the other is Raphael Gardener or aka Casanova,
Speaker 1: and the other guy's user name is Jesse James, also
Speaker 1: known as Gilbert Matthews. So Lake goes to check out
Speaker 1: Gilbert and he's like, yeah, I hooked up with Jody
Speaker 1: a couple of times. I stopped doing it because one
Speaker 1: time we were getting busy and Tommy walked in and
Speaker 1: was like watching us hook up, and it freaked me out.
Speaker 1: So his alibi is that he was at a motivational
Speaker 1: seminar in Yonkers, and he goes, I paid two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty dollars to hear Donald Trump talk, and I
Speaker 1: was like, fuck, even in two thousand and seven, this
Speaker 1: guy knows he's getting ripped off, like so good. So
Speaker 1: then there we're now we're at Taylor Braville's house and
Speaker 1: we find out that he's in India on his semester
Speaker 1: abroad and his little brother, Caleb, has basically been catfishing
Speaker 1: girls on his face Union account. He looks like he's
Speaker 1: nine years old and I really like him, and the
Speaker 1: mom's like, he's really cute. I know he's So he's like, sorry, mom,
Speaker 1: and the mom's like, he's incorrigible. He's been using my
Speaker 1: visa like take him away. So that's a cute little moment.
Speaker 1: And now the final guy is Raphael. Finn goes to
Speaker 1: see him aka Cassanova. Finn goes to see him. The
Speaker 1: guy rolls out from underneath the car and Finn's holding
Speaker 1: his BlackBerry with the guy's face Union photo and he's like, damn,
Speaker 1: you got to update this photo. This is you, like
Speaker 1: thirty years ago. So he starts talking to Raphael, and
Speaker 1: Raphael admits that they had sex, but looks like shocked
Speaker 1: to hear that she died, and Finn's like, well, when
Speaker 1: did you guys have sex?
Speaker 4: Like we have DNA? Are we going to find out
Speaker 4: that it's yours?
Speaker 1: And then we cut right to interrogation and the guy
Speaker 1: is there going, yeah, we had sex and then I
Speaker 1: left and he's like, I would never hurt her. We
Speaker 1: were passionately in love. And then liv walks in with
Speaker 1: like a handful of receipts. She's like, I'll say, thirty
Speaker 1: six emails in eight days. You seemed very obsessed, like
Speaker 1: my starts reading quotes like my darling, I will make
Speaker 1: you feel like a real woman and all this shit,
Speaker 1: and he's like I just know what women want and
Speaker 1: lives like yeah, but Jody just wanted to hook up,
Speaker 1: and Rafael's like, I don't think so. And then they
Speaker 1: show in pictures like she was fucking these two other
Speaker 1: guys too, even though we know she wasn't with Taylor
Speaker 1: that was a nine year old. But they're leffing him
Speaker 1: a little bit. They're like, she's into hot young guys,
Speaker 1: not you, gramps, and he goes, I'm not old, and
Speaker 1: it's like very funny the way he says it, because
Speaker 1: it's clearly like an insecurity that he has. So let's
Speaker 1: start familiar to me.
Speaker 2: But I looked him up and I don't same anything,
Speaker 2: but this.
Speaker 1: Same he looked so familiar to me, And I looked
Speaker 1: him up and was like, yeah, I don't know this guy,
Speaker 1: but he looks very familiar and he's.
Speaker 2: Working and it said that he was in Scarface, so
Speaker 2: like sure, but yeah, I have no idea.
Speaker 1: Right, I've never seen Scarface, so really no, you know,
Speaker 1: I have a lot of blind spot movies like Scarface, Godfather,
Speaker 1: like classic movies I haven't seen.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen Godfather, but that's because it takes itself seriously.
Speaker 2: Scarface is like fun, right MIAMII guns I know, like.
Speaker 1: Say hello to my little friend and Tony Montel like
Speaker 1: the whole like snorting the mountains of coke. Like I
Speaker 1: know all the stuff from Scarface. I just haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: But liv starts playing this guy Raphael like with her
Speaker 1: flirty kind of like, you know, I totally understand what
Speaker 1: you're saying, but these young girls are so dumb, like
Speaker 1: she should have seen how her love was real. She
Speaker 1: was so lucky to have you, like flirty, flirty Benson.
Speaker 1: And then the violent music starts to swell, and you
Speaker 1: know a confession is coming, and he's like, she led
Speaker 1: me on, she said she wanted me, and then I
Speaker 1: went over there and she laughed at me. She slammed
Speaker 1: the door in his face and so he pushed his
Speaker 1: way in. He was so mad he lost control. The
Speaker 1: next thing he remembered was Tommy coming in crying, and
Speaker 1: he saw what he had did and he ran so
Speaker 1: in a blind rage over being rejected by this teenager,
Speaker 1: he rapes her and then murders her, which you know
Speaker 1: is kind of tracks for how men react to being
Speaker 1: laughed at, and so he's like, I could have made
Speaker 1: her so happy, she didn't give me a chance.
Speaker 4: All she saw was my age.
Speaker 1: So this guy's really insecure and a psycho. So Elliott
Speaker 1: is watching all this through the one way glass. Melinda
Speaker 1: shows up with some news, but it's not about Jody's
Speaker 1: murder per se. She ran the Tommy's blood and his
Speaker 1: dad's blood to exclude them from like the murder scene blood,
Speaker 1: and it turns out done done. Jake is not Tommy's dad.
Speaker 1: They have no matching alleles, which I remember from bio
Speaker 1: means you ain't related. So now Benson and Stabler are
Speaker 1: having one of their classic debates about morality and ethics.
Speaker 1: Liv Is like, we gotta tell Jake he has the
Speaker 1: right to know that his wife's been cheating and his
Speaker 1: son is not biologically his and Stabler's like, it's not
Speaker 1: our place. He's still Tommy's father. They love each other.
Speaker 1: So they're arguing back and forth, and then they're walking.
Speaker 1: They're doing a walk and talk, argue and when, and
Speaker 1: then Stabler yells, if Leah Keegan wants to tell her
Speaker 1: husband that Tommy is not his, that's her choice, not ours.
Speaker 1: Of course he uses full name, so there's no way
Speaker 1: this can be mistaken as talking about someone else. And
Speaker 1: sitting right behind them is Jake Keegan. So now he knows.
Speaker 1: And he's like, wait, what like so now he knows
Speaker 1: his son is not biologically his. So in the next scene,
Speaker 1: top of AC three, he's talking to Stabler about how
Speaker 1: his marriage definitely hits some rough spots, but he's always
Speaker 1: stayed for Tommy and now it turns out Tommy's not his.
Speaker 1: He shows Stabler a picture of him and Tommy and
Speaker 1: his wallet, and he's like, I used to see myself
Speaker 1: in him. It's like, yeah, you are both blonde. It's
Speaker 1: pretty easy to see it, even if it's not real.
Speaker 1: And he tells Stabler about how they would go fishing
Speaker 1: at this lake house. It was the best week of
Speaker 1: his life, and then last week he bought the lake
Speaker 1: house and he was going to get Tommy a little
Speaker 1: fishing rod for Christmas. It's all very cute and sad,
Speaker 1: and Stabler is like, this doesn't mean you love him
Speaker 1: any less, and He's like, well, what about when he
Speaker 1: gets older and he wants to like just wants his
Speaker 1: bio dad. And Stabler's like there's plenty of adopted kids
Speaker 1: who don't care about that, and Jake's like, yeah, but
Speaker 1: I did not adopt this boy, like I watched him
Speaker 1: be born. I cut the cord. He was my child,
Speaker 1: and Stabler's like he still is. And it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Men are just so fucked up about it
Speaker 1: having to be their DNA and passing down their seed
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. Like I mean, I would I
Speaker 1: would be like shocked if I were this man, but
Speaker 1: I would also be like, yeah, he's still my son,
Speaker 1: and he's kind of acting like maybe he should just
Speaker 1: walk away now.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just feel like classically men are always like is
Speaker 1: it mine? Like it has to always be they have
Speaker 1: to spread their seed and like have it be their DNA,
Speaker 1: and they're like lineage or whatever. You know, it's a
Speaker 1: weird thing. I feel like men do anyway, He asks Stabler,
Speaker 1: what if you found out one of your kids wasn't yours?
Speaker 1: And Stabler is speechless because I don't even think Jake
Speaker 1: knows he's got one on the way. So now we're
Speaker 1: at Stabler's house and Kathy is talking about how she
Speaker 1: has a doctor appointed the next day, but the car's
Speaker 1: in the shop. Stabler's fully not listening to her, and
Speaker 1: she's like, I guess I'll ride my bike like he's
Speaker 1: She's like calling him out for not listening, and then
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, I'll take you. And then we find
Speaker 1: out what's really on his mind and which we know,
Speaker 1: and he's like, when we were separated, did you see anyone?
Speaker 1: And then they both admit that they did see other people,
Speaker 1: and Kathy says she went on a couple of dates,
Speaker 1: but it's no one he knows, and he's like, did
Speaker 1: you sleep with them? And she gets pissed, like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck do you think this kid isn't yours? And
Speaker 1: then right at that moment, Stabler gets a call from Live,
Speaker 1: so putting a pin in this convo. At the Keegans,
Speaker 1: now the cops are breaking up a fight between Jake
Speaker 1: and Leah's boyfriend Matt, Like two uniformed officers were like
Speaker 1: holding the guys back, and Matt just Matt showed up
Speaker 1: because he wanted to see Tommy because he's the real father.
Speaker 1: And then Jake was like, she.
Speaker 4: Has been fucking this dude for a while, a while,
Speaker 4: three year.
Speaker 1: I mean the kid's three, you know, so at least
Speaker 1: three or four years she's been having this long term affair.
Speaker 1: And so Matt has shown up to see Tommy. Leea's like,
Speaker 1: he's got to be the father. He's the only other
Speaker 1: man I've been with. And Jake's like, who knows this
Speaker 1: bitch cheated on me? She probably cheated on you. And
Speaker 1: Matt's like, don't talk to her that way. We're in
Speaker 1: love and we have been for years. She was going
Speaker 1: to divorce you, And he's like, when after she took
Speaker 1: all my money, the GAP's not good enough for this
Speaker 1: whoor She needs Prada and pooci. Damn. I just love
Speaker 1: that he said poocy. I did too. I had a
Speaker 1: pooci wall at once that I bought in Italy and
Speaker 1: my roommate brought home a random hookup who stole my
Speaker 1: purse and the poochi wallle it was gone.
Speaker 4: I was really sad. Try to cover the costs. No,
Speaker 4: he's a sketchball.
Speaker 1: He did not try to cover the car at him.
Speaker 1: But the girl, no, No, the roommate was a guy,
Speaker 1: a gay guy. So he brought home a guy and
Speaker 1: was like, well, my purse went missing, and he was
Speaker 1: just like I don't know, and I'm like, but it
Speaker 1: was in your room and like you had this hook
Speaker 1: up and like now it's not here, and so that's
Speaker 1: definitely what happened to it. I was like, I didn't
Speaker 1: throw my purse out the window in a drunken rage,
Speaker 1: although stranger things have happened. So anyway, Jake is like,
Speaker 1: do you even have a job, and he goes, I'm
Speaker 1: an actor. Jake goes, you mean you're a waiter. It's
Speaker 1: pretty funny because it's like meta that they're all actors. Anyway,
Speaker 1: He's like, you can't afford her. She spends more money
Speaker 1: on shoes than you make it a whole year, and
Speaker 1: it's just making Jake Moore madd He's like, this loser
Speaker 1: screwing my wife and I'm paying for it.
Speaker 4: He lunges at Matt again.
Speaker 1: They pulled him apart, just as Tommy comes out and
Speaker 1: is like, daddy, like what's going on? And Jake's like,
Speaker 1: go back to bed, and the actor boyfriend, Matt, tries
Speaker 1: to be like, did you have a bad dream? And
Speaker 1: it's like it's he is seriously trying to connect with
Speaker 1: the kid, but it's like funny because it's like this
Speaker 1: guy does not know you. He's not going to tell
Speaker 1: you about his bad dream. And Leah's screaming for them
Speaker 1: to stop. She's like not in front of Tommy. She
Speaker 1: picks up Tommy and goes to put him back to bed,
Speaker 1: and then Stabler and Benson bring both of the guys
Speaker 1: into the precinct. When we're there, our girl, Casey Novak
Speaker 1: is like, oh, this is just about to get a
Speaker 1: lot worse, and she says, because Jake and Leah were
Speaker 1: married when Tommy was born, there is a doctrine of
Speaker 1: presumptive paternity that means that Tommy is Jake's child in
Speaker 1: the eyes of the law. Legally, Matt has no rights,
Speaker 1: not even for visitation, and if they get divorced, he's
Speaker 1: got to pay child support and alimony. So like Stabler's like,
Speaker 1: so if Matt and Leah end up together, Jake could
Speaker 1: be paying for it, and Casey's like, yeah, the law
Speaker 1: looks at what's best for the child, which makes me
Speaker 1: think about the little boy in the episode Stolen that
Speaker 1: we did, like where you would think there would be
Speaker 1: a presumptive doctrine of paternity for adoptive parents that took
Speaker 1: him in, but maybe because it was adoption, it wasn't
Speaker 1: the same thing.
Speaker 2: But like, well, they're really switching it up from that episode.
Speaker 1: I thought it's DNA.
Speaker 2: This other biological dad has no rights, but the biological
Speaker 2: dad of the guy who had the adoption switcheroo like
Speaker 2: was not had all the rights. Like it's confusing, which
Speaker 2: we know that Matt can sue for custody, which you
Speaker 2: know eventually he's going to.
Speaker 1: So anyway, apparently even if a woman tricks a guy
Speaker 1: into getting her pregnant like hole in the diaphragm, whatever,
Speaker 1: he's still responsible. So Casey says, you know, both these
Speaker 1: guys punched each other, it's a draw, let's cut them
Speaker 1: both loose, and Stabler like looks out the window with
Speaker 1: Jake for a moment, and we understand that Stabler feels
Speaker 1: bad for Jake. So now at home in bed at
Speaker 1: the stabler residence. We see Kathy sleeping, Elliott lying wide awake,
Speaker 1: wondering if his slut wife is carrying another man's child.
Speaker 2: It's a quick moment, but also with Jake, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you shouldn't have worked so much.
Speaker 4: You know she's gonna get fucked somewhere, Like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but do you think he needed to work to
Speaker 1: keep up with her expensive tastes? Do you think she
Speaker 1: would have been okay wearing less fancy shit if he'd
Speaker 1: been around more. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: who knows.
Speaker 2: It's a good She looked trashy. She looked like a
Speaker 2: sandy ag.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, telling me that she likes Prada and Pooci.
Speaker 1: I'm not liking the outfits. Money can't buy you class.
Speaker 2: But also she looks like trash like there's no way
Speaker 2: that she knew what Poochi was before Jake.
Speaker 1: But their house looks nice too, So he's got to
Speaker 1: pay that mortgage. I don't know. I don't know. I agree,
Speaker 1: you got to have a work life balance. So the
Speaker 1: next day, in the workroom, Craigan tells Benson and Stabler
Speaker 1: that Matt has just filed for custody of Tommy and Shocker,
Speaker 1: and then Stabler and Benson starts squabbling about the ethics
Speaker 1: of it all again, and she's like, Matt deserves to
Speaker 1: know his kid, and Stabler's like, I think he's Jake's kid,
Speaker 1: and Craigan says it's not for us to decide, but
Speaker 1: Benson and Sabler both have to get to family Court
Speaker 1: for an emergency hearing, and Elliot's like, oh shit, I
Speaker 1: do have this doctor appointment for Kathy. But just then
Speaker 1: Lake walks in with Tommy and they're like, what's Tommy
Speaker 1: doing here and Jake and Lake's like, oh, well, Jake
Speaker 1: was double parked and he asked me to bring Tommy
Speaker 1: upstairs for the appointment with Stabler, and Stabler's like, there's
Speaker 1: no appointment, and he asked Tommy what's going on, and
Speaker 1: he's like, well, daddy went away, and what about your mom?
Speaker 1: And he's like, mommy went away to like Jody, and
Speaker 1: it's like, rout row. This is not good news. So
Speaker 1: they head to the Keegan's house and they do sadly
Speaker 1: find Leah. Although we were just talking badly about her clothes,
Speaker 1: I did not want her to die. She does have
Speaker 1: a child and she is dead.
Speaker 2: And I think we can all assume what happens, and
Speaker 2: it's like, what did you do?
Speaker 5: Bro?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, now you're not going to be with your kid
Speaker 2: at all, and actually the person you didn't want to
Speaker 2: raise him will do well now have him, Yeah, and
Speaker 2: probably not bring him to jail to visit your dumb ass.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So she is dead on a pool, pool of blood
Speaker 2: around her head, face down on the floor.
Speaker 4: Where's Jake? Of course there is a reason that we are.
Speaker 1: We were hearing all that seemingly pointless info about the
Speaker 1: lake House because that's clearly where Jake has gone. I
Speaker 1: think it's like off on Long Island and Live is
Speaker 1: gonna call the local sheriff out there to watch the house,
Speaker 1: and Stabler's gonna head there, But what about Kathy's appointment?
Speaker 1: Lives like, as usual, I'll cover shit with your wife,
Speaker 1: and Stabler doesn't even say thank you, he just heads out.
Speaker 1: So we get to the lake House and there's a
Speaker 1: sheriff there, and this is wild to me. There's an
Speaker 1: ambulance pulling away from the house and Stabler's like, is
Speaker 1: that our guy? And he's like, no, that's just one
Speaker 1: of my officers fell into a gopher.
Speaker 4: Hole and broke his leg.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, did you guys get an ambulance on
Speaker 1: set just for that plotline?
Speaker 4: Like that's wild.
Speaker 1: They like hired an ambulance to be like just kidding,
Speaker 1: that's not Jake. It's like not really enough of a
Speaker 1: red herring. Do you think they own an ambulance or
Speaker 1: they're always rend Even if they did, they had to
Speaker 1: get it from like fucking New Jersey where they keep
Speaker 1: all their shit to lung.
Speaker 4: I mean, who knows, maybe they shot this in New Jersey.
Speaker 1: You're right, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's supposed to be Long Island. It just seems like
Speaker 2: a wild extra thing.
Speaker 1: And now they've actually the guy tell the sheriff says, no,
Speaker 1: we've got Jake around back. He had a gun, but
Speaker 1: my guy's disarmed him. And so Stabler goes to talk
Speaker 1: to Jake and they have this like you know, man
Speaker 1: to man talk where Jake's like, you know you were
Speaker 1: right about Tommy.
Speaker 4: I was up all night watching him sleep. He's my son.
Speaker 1: It was my job to kill his mom and leave
Speaker 1: him parentless. Like I don't really understand this man at all.
Speaker 1: But he says, Leah told me that she was going
Speaker 1: to divorce me, and that Matt filed for custody. I
Speaker 1: was going to lose Tommy. And then she laughed at
Speaker 1: him and he snapped. So this is the second woman
Speaker 1: in this episode to get murdered for laughing at a man.
Speaker 1: So a theme, okay, And he knew Tommy would hate
Speaker 1: him forever. So so Stabler's like, so did you come
Speaker 1: out here to die? And like, he doesn't answer, so
Speaker 1: we think, you know, maybe I don't know why you
Speaker 1: didn't just do it where you were.
Speaker 4: Why do you have to drive out to a lake
Speaker 4: house to do it?
Speaker 1: But you know, he realized that he had fucked up
Speaker 1: right after he murdered his wife.
Speaker 2: So Stabler's phone rings.
Speaker 1: It's Olivia and she's driving Kathy to the appointment, and
Speaker 1: he and Kathy say they're like little I love yous,
Speaker 1: and then he finally says thank you to Olivia. Now,
Speaker 1: for two seconds, we're in this quiet car and then
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, a car runs the intersection and smashes
Speaker 1: into the car carrying Kathy and Olivia. So scary car
Speaker 1: crashes in movies and TV really shake me up. And
Speaker 1: they've gotten way more graphic, like they do they I
Speaker 1: remember in the movie adaptation, there's this scene where you're
Speaker 1: they're backing out of a driveway and the camera is
Speaker 1: in the backseat of the car, so you just see
Speaker 1: this truck flying at the car and the smashing.
Speaker 2: It just didn't used to be so POV. It didn't
Speaker 2: used to be.
Speaker 1: So I'm feeling what it's like to be smashed out
Speaker 1: of nowhere in a car crash, and it's like they're
Speaker 1: just they've made them too scary for me now. But
Speaker 1: a top of act four, Live comes to she sees
Speaker 1: what's going on. Kathy is unconscious in the car. Live
Speaker 1: grabs her walkie and calls in a bus and the
Speaker 1: fire department and tells them that Kathy's legs are pinned
Speaker 1: and we can see like her legs cannot move. Then
Speaker 1: Live like smashes her own window and climbs out of
Speaker 1: the car. The fire trucks are there within a minute,
Speaker 1: which is impressive. The paramedics want to check out Live
Speaker 1: and she's like, I'm fine, I'm fine, Just go help Kathy.
Speaker 1: And they explained to Olivia that Kathy's airbag didn't deploy
Speaker 1: and they need to deactivate it so that it doesn't explode,
Speaker 1: and they're like, she's Olivia's like hysterical, like you got
Speaker 1: to just get to her. The baby could be in distress.
Speaker 1: And she's like, how's the other driver and they're like
Speaker 1: he's fine. And we quickly flash on like a businessman
Speaker 1: who's like, what's going on? And they said the car
Speaker 1: reeks of booze. So this is just an asshole who
Speaker 1: was driving extremely drunk in the middle of the day.
Speaker 2: He reminds me of the old shady guy from the office.
Speaker 2: Oh Creed, Yeah, he reminded me of a Creed vibe.
Speaker 2: He had a Creed vibe for sure, Creed thoughts Dot Blogspot. Okay,
Speaker 2: So they disarmed the bag and then they pop all
Speaker 2: the tires.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that that was like something they did.
Speaker 1: I guess they don't want the car to like roll anywhere,
Speaker 1: but they pop all the tires and now they have
Speaker 1: to get Kathy out, but they can't use the jaws
Speaker 1: of life to do it until they stabilize her neck
Speaker 1: and head in case she has a spinal injury. And like,
Speaker 1: when I became a lifeguard, we learned all about these
Speaker 1: spinal injuries. Like you really got to keep everybody's head.
Speaker 1: You never know what could happen, Like, even if they're
Speaker 1: moving and fine, something could snap and they can like
Speaker 1: never walk again. So the paramedics can't get to Kathy
Speaker 1: to see how she and the baby are doing because
Speaker 1: it's too tight inside the car, and lives like, well,
Speaker 1: I got out and I can get back in. So
Speaker 1: she climbs back in through the window that she is shocking.
Speaker 1: Obviously for television, we need Benson in there. But if
Speaker 1: Benson can get in there, so can a paramedics. So
Speaker 1: can a trained nurse or paramedics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, yeah, thank you for you know, the scene
Speaker 2: and Olivia stressing out.
Speaker 1: Find it mean, but like I don't buy it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was for sure TV Magic. We needed it to
Speaker 1: be Olivia out. Nobody would care about a paramedic helping Kathy.
Speaker 1: It needs to be Olivia for the emotional stakes of
Speaker 1: it all. And so.
Speaker 4: She climbs back in.
Speaker 1: She gets into the backseat of the car, so she's
Speaker 1: behind Kathy like stabilizing her neck and face and everything
Speaker 1: and uh, and they're like we're gonna have to cut
Speaker 1: the roof off of the whole car, and it's like
Speaker 1: holy shit. So Olivia is putting a neck brace around Kathy.
Speaker 1: Just as Kathy comes to and she's like got blood
Speaker 1: on her head and she's like, what's going on? She
Speaker 1: has great acts. Yeah, she's so confused. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: so real, Like this shit looks so real to me.
Speaker 1: And then she tells Olivia my water broke, and we
Speaker 1: like panned down to her dress which is like wet.
Speaker 1: And meanwhile on Long Island, Finn goes to pick up
Speaker 1: Stabler and they're going to chop her back to the city.
Speaker 1: So back at the car crash, the paramedics are walking
Speaker 1: Olivia through how to help Kathy. She puts the neck
Speaker 1: brace on and then Kathy loses consciousness, like she just
Speaker 1: like passes out and they notice also coming from like
Speaker 1: her lower body, she's bleeding, so she needs fluids. And
Speaker 1: this guy paramedic is walking Olivia through how to put
Speaker 1: an IVY in her arm, and it's like, I have
Speaker 1: had so many ivs in my arm because of having
Speaker 1: children and or having I had so much blood taken
Speaker 1: and you you really have to know what you're doing
Speaker 1: to find a vein. Like it's I've had them poke
Speaker 1: at me for a long time before they find one.
Speaker 1: But not to brag, I have super tiny veins. Anyway,
Speaker 1: she finally gets the blood in there, and like we
Speaker 1: see blood and so she gets the bag hooked up
Speaker 1: and she's pumping the fluids like manually with her hand,
Speaker 1: squeezing the bag and pumping the fluids into Kathy.
Speaker 4: Kathy wakes up pretty immediately.
Speaker 1: I'm glad to know that's how fluids work, if it is,
Speaker 1: and great work, Benson. So Kathy's back with us and
Speaker 1: getting fluids, and they tell Kathy we're going to take
Speaker 1: the roof off the car. They cover her face with
Speaker 1: a coat. At this point, I'm like traumatized because like,
Speaker 1: I gave birth like in a hospital bed with an
Speaker 1: epidural and it was still fucking hard and traumatic. And
Speaker 1: so to be covered in blood, getting a roof sowt
Speaker 1: off a car, your husband's not there, like it just
Speaker 1: seems like this is a fucking nightmare. Cool.
Speaker 2: I did like watching Benson squeeze the ivy bag. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I wish I could squeeze an ivy bag.
Speaker 1: I think if you fill up a ziplock with water,
Speaker 1: it's the same sensation.
Speaker 2: No oh, it's a thicker plastic and you know it.
Speaker 1: It's it.
Speaker 4: Ivy bags are thicker yeah.
Speaker 2: Yes, this one looked like it was some kind of
Speaker 2: portable IVY bag.
Speaker 1: It looked like thinner to me. It didn't look like
Speaker 1: the ones that are in the hospital. Yeah, but whatever,
Speaker 1: you're a doctor, If you could, somebody please send ly'sa
Speaker 1: an IVY bag, we'd really love to get her. Even used,
Speaker 1: I won't like use it. Yeah, we don't need the
Speaker 1: iv we just need the bag, Like really, yeah, just
Speaker 1: send that bag over.
Speaker 2: When I was young, I was obsessed with that, like like,
Speaker 2: you know, before they take your blood in the test tube,
Speaker 2: there's like stuff already in there.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, gunk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I made I made some phlebotomus give them to me.
Speaker 2: I used to be like obsessed with collecting them. So
Speaker 2: I'd be like, what is that? Can I have one?
Speaker 1: And I would take them.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, A fascination At an early age.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 4: But I don't know what they're for.
Speaker 1: I'm sure tons of people were explaining it to me,
Speaker 1: but I think the stuff that's in there is probably
Speaker 1: just some kind of like preservative or something that's like
Speaker 1: keeps the blood from coagulating or something. I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe blood can't coagulate out of the body. I have
Speaker 1: no idea anyway. I am not a.
Speaker 4: Love of those pens that looked like syringes.
Speaker 1: Yes, with the blood, like the fake blood in it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those are fine.
Speaker 2: I don't Yeah, what's up with me? But I'm liking
Speaker 2: all this medical supply stuff.
Speaker 1: You're a phleblotomy girl, what can we say? So they
Speaker 1: are like, yeah, I just am like not giving birth
Speaker 1: is so hard. It's like you don't need a head
Speaker 1: wound and a fireman like lurking around. It's just very
Speaker 1: seems very traumatic. And a Live just keeps being like
Speaker 1: are you okay?
Speaker 4: Are you okay?
Speaker 2: Kathy?
Speaker 1: Are you okay? And it's like she's definitely not okay,
Speaker 1: and Live tells the she keeps having contractions is essentially
Speaker 1: what's going on. And Live tells one of the fire
Speaker 1: guys she's like, the contractions are three minutes apart, like,
Speaker 1: and she tells the paramedics like we got to give
Speaker 1: her something to slow down the labor, and the paramedics
Speaker 1: like I just don't carry that shit with me, like
Speaker 1: I don't have it.
Speaker 4: And so just then I have.
Speaker 2: Called nine one one and dealt with paramedics and I
Speaker 2: cannot imagine them having the skills to do this in
Speaker 2: the way that these TV paramedics did. It. Really the
Speaker 2: dumbest people I've ever met. I mean, obviously there's amazing paramedics,
Speaker 2: but when our friend, when I saved her from choking
Speaker 2: the Heimlich before I realized that it had dislodged, I didn't.
Speaker 1: I thought I didn't know what to do.
Speaker 2: So I was dragging her outside while calling nine one
Speaker 2: one because I was like, maybe someone at the bar
Speaker 2: across the street, yeah, do Behin'm like better, but I
Speaker 2: did dislodge the fry, and so the nine one one
Speaker 2: operator was like, well, we still have to send the paramedic.
Speaker 2: Once you call, we have to send it. And I
Speaker 2: was like, but we're fine, and she's like, we have to.
Speaker 2: So these paramedics show up and they keep telling our friend.
Speaker 2: They're like, was it boyfriend trouble? Are you sure it
Speaker 2: wasn't your boyfriend bothering you? And she goes, no, I
Speaker 2: choked on a fry I was eating, and he goes,
Speaker 2: I don't know, seems.
Speaker 4: Like boy trouble, what the fuck? Psychotic?
Speaker 2: And then finally like we did the play Bible and
Speaker 2: she's like, well, I was on the phone with my
Speaker 2: boyfriend and he goes see Jack, Oh.
Speaker 1: My god, I'm going to kill someone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were just like disheveled, did not seem that cool.
Speaker 4: Also like they were parking for forever.
Speaker 2: And maybe it's because they knew we didn't really need
Speaker 2: them anymore, but like they were slow, they weren't helpful,
Speaker 2: they were sexist, they were like WEIRDO.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that does seem like you got bad paramedics.
Speaker 1: They feel like paramedics are really hard working, underpaid people
Speaker 1: in general.
Speaker 2: Definitely underpaid, especially if you're this guy. But I was
Speaker 2: like with these guys, I was like, I can't imagine
Speaker 2: them giving birth to Kathy's baby and helping her.
Speaker 4: Yeah they would, I don't.
Speaker 2: I just can't imagine this guy is like a superstar.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I wish.
Speaker 2: I remember what else, But I remember them being like
Speaker 2: so fucking up.
Speaker 1: That's really gross and annoying. It's like, just deal with
Speaker 1: the metal. You don't really need to know the background
Speaker 1: of what was happening before or with the fry, like
Speaker 1: just a fry, just deal with it.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, can you also not flirt with a woman
Speaker 2: who almost just died and like life flashed before her eyes?
Speaker 2: Like give her a second. But when I was a kid,
Speaker 2: I went to the hospital all the time, and I
Speaker 2: remember the paramedics being fine, probably annoyed because I shouldn't
Speaker 2: have been going.
Speaker 1: But these guys were shlubs, not good, not good.
Speaker 2: When I was watching this guy, I was like, oh
Speaker 2: this is is this a fantasy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well this guy is a good is good at
Speaker 1: his job. But he's like, I do not have the
Speaker 1: drugs that you're talking about, Like I don't carry that
Speaker 1: with me in the ambulance.
Speaker 4: So sorry.
Speaker 1: And so just then Daddy Craigan arrives with Elliott on
Speaker 1: the phone and he's like I'm here, babe, are you
Speaker 1: all right? And she's like yeah, Olivia's taking really good
Speaker 1: care of me. And it's like so fucked up. I
Speaker 1: would be like, I don't have time to talk, just
Speaker 1: get here, like I don't know. They say I love
Speaker 1: you to each other, and now the roof has been
Speaker 1: cut off already and they're using the jaws of life
Speaker 1: now to free her legs, and it's just like it
Speaker 1: is a very like it's a very realistically shot scene.
Speaker 2: I feel like like I've never seen the Jaws of
Speaker 2: Life really work like that. It was like This is
Speaker 2: so scary how cars are just like these metal like
Speaker 2: balls that were in that can just collapse in on
Speaker 2: us and we have to get out. But Craigan is
Speaker 2: stand doing nothing as their jaws of lifing her out
Speaker 2: of there. Everybody keeps telling Kathy, hang in there, hang
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 1: It's so fucked. One guy calls her, honey, I you know.
Speaker 1: I was like, we don't need that. And then finally
Speaker 1: her legs are free, and they've got to put her now,
Speaker 1: they've got to Finally her legs are free, and it's
Speaker 1: like the nightmare just continues. Now we've got to put
Speaker 1: her on a spineboard. Okay, they've got They keep telling
Speaker 1: her to stay still, and this is like my full nightmare.
Speaker 1: It's your nightmare is to be giving birth and people
Speaker 1: keep telling you stay still, don't move, like nightmare. So
Speaker 1: Live is right there with her. Craigan says, we're holding traffic.
Speaker 1: She'll be at the hospital in ten minutes, and they
Speaker 1: say hold on, hold on, and she's like, I cannot
Speaker 1: fucking hold on. This baby is coming. So now they're
Speaker 1: on the ambulance and she's like, this baby is coming.
Speaker 1: They've abandoned the spinal board. I guess they're like, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter anymore.
Speaker 2: Like I guess they because I think you're supposed to
Speaker 2: wait until you've been fully checked to make sure you
Speaker 2: don't have a spinal injury.
Speaker 1: But but this is.
Speaker 2: A wild what can you do? It's a wild scenario.
Speaker 1: So she's off the spinal board, she's leaning up against Olivia,
Speaker 1: and she's pushing because she's dilated, and the baby is crowning.
Speaker 4: So now she's pushing.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we get three big pushes and the
Speaker 1: baby is out. It's a boy. So now she had
Speaker 1: to be wrong on top of all of this trauma.
Speaker 1: And she's holding the baby and it's like a happy
Speaker 1: moment for a second. But then she starts to like
Speaker 1: slowly lie back and she's passing out and the machine
Speaker 1: starts to beep like she's her bread blood pressure is crashing,
Speaker 1: she's coating. This is bad.
Speaker 2: So then Olivia so shocked, like the look of shock
Speaker 2: on Olivia's face.
Speaker 1: Hat they just hand her the baby. We never even
Speaker 1: see an umbilical cord get cut. But like she's now
Speaker 1: holding the baby and we're all thinking, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Kathy's gonna die live has the baby wrapped in one
Speaker 1: of those silver marathon blankets. Like it's wild, like they
Speaker 1: haven't even the baby's not even washed off yet, so
Speaker 1: we don't know what's going on. We're thinking, oh my god,
Speaker 1: is Kathy gonna die? Now? At the hospital, Elliot runs in.
Speaker 1: We still have no idea what's going on. He goes
Speaker 1: into the hospital room and there we see Kathy alive
Speaker 1: holding the baby. She has cuts on her face, embrace.
Speaker 1: Thank god they're on the other side of this massive drama.
Speaker 1: And then Stabler goes, hey, little man, welcome to the world.
Speaker 1: I'm your daddy, and like holds the baby and Kathy goes,
Speaker 1: you are his father and he's like yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: It's like okay, but I.
Speaker 1: Guess with Stabler's philosophy, whether that was one of Kathy's
Speaker 1: like we were on a break babies or not, he
Speaker 1: would have still been the father. I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: like who knows, because that's the way he was talking
Speaker 1: to Jake the whole episode. So outside the hospital room,
Speaker 1: a live is like staring into space, looking exhausted and traumatized.
Speaker 1: And then Elliott comes out and she asks about the baby,
Speaker 1: and he goes, the baby's great, and then he walks
Speaker 1: past her, and I'm like, what the fuck You're just
Speaker 1: gonna like walk past the woman who just like saved
Speaker 1: your wife and babies life. And then he spins around,
Speaker 1: grabs Olivia and pulls her in for a huge hug,
Speaker 1: which I think the Benchler fandom this must be one
Speaker 1: of the horniest scenes of their entire lives. Like it's
Speaker 1: a very very emotional hug.
Speaker 2: Live looks like eyes are closed, like it looks weirdly, weirdly, it's.
Speaker 4: Like sexual this hug.
Speaker 1: And so I think I remember when this episode was on,
Speaker 1: when I watched it live, I remember thinking, oh, fuck,
Speaker 1: are they actually gonna let it happen? Are they gonna
Speaker 1: kill Kathy and let Sabler and Olivia be together? And
Speaker 1: I think a lot of viewers were like, fuck, man,
Speaker 1: like that could have been it, and it wasn't. So
Speaker 1: the long intense hug ends and they look at each
Speaker 1: other and Live breaks attention and it's like, so, did.
Speaker 2: You guys pick a name?
Speaker 1: And he's like, Kathy wants to name the baby after me,
Speaker 1: and uh, it's like, not the man who was there
Speaker 1: for the birth, but the other guy who was barely
Speaker 1: around the baby should have been named Oliver if you
Speaker 1: ask me, and uh, liv goes just what the world needs.
Speaker 1: Another Elliott STABLERL. And then that's Dick Wolf Baby, and
Speaker 1: that's paternity A very.
Speaker 2: Good I'm jealous that you watched it live and have memories.
Speaker 2: I was just thinking this must have been so wild
Speaker 2: to watch life.
Speaker 1: I just remember that was one of the only besides
Speaker 1: their divorce they got back together. So you were like,
Speaker 1: when they got divorced, you kind of thought, oh, maybe
Speaker 1: this is something. But then he got together with Beck
Speaker 1: and then when they got when they when this accident happened,
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, maybe this is it, Like maybe they're
Speaker 1: gonna maybe they're gonna kill her, and then they didn't.
Speaker 1: So because they're never gonna let them be together, I
Speaker 1: want everyone to know that they're never gonna let it happen.
Speaker 2: No, And I love that the people on Twitter are like,
Speaker 2: why does Dick Wolf hate us? Just give us what
Speaker 2: we want? And it's like, why would they let you
Speaker 2: guys decide? Yeah, you're nuts, You're nuts, all right, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna do some crimes after these messages. So today's episode
Speaker 2: is based on obviously a super sad case mostly around
Speaker 2: the babysitter, I would say, and it's about a girl
Speaker 2: named Christina Long, and this is a crime in Connecticut.
Speaker 4: Oh, Dan Barry, what year we'll get to it?
Speaker 1: Okay, did I not write? I know dan Berry two
Speaker 1: thousand and two and two?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Did this?
Speaker 4: Did this hit your brain? Well?
Speaker 1: You know if it was the fall of two thousand.
Speaker 1: I was living in Connecticut, so it's wild. But the
Speaker 1: dan Berry Fair Mall I always was obsessed with because
Speaker 1: it has a fair has a carousel in it, and
Speaker 1: I was always like, can we go to the dan
Speaker 1: Berry Mall mom? And like it's it's kind of far
Speaker 1: from where I live, but kind of wild that this
Speaker 1: isn't jogging any Well, tell me the whole story maybe
Speaker 1: it will.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, this is Connecticut.
Speaker 2: So Christina Long was the sixth grader at Saint Peter
Speaker 2: Roman Catholic School in dan Berry, Connecticut, and she had
Speaker 2: good grades, led the cheerleading squad, and was an altar girl.
Speaker 2: But like any classic SVU story, she had a different
Speaker 2: life online. She came to live in Danberry with her aunt,
Speaker 2: Shelley Rilling because her parents had substance abuse problems.
Speaker 1: So her parents were.
Speaker 2: Just like not very good so she came to stay
Speaker 2: with her aunt, and her aunt says that she had
Speaker 2: no idea about Christina's online life, but her screen name
Speaker 2: was long.
Speaker 1: Too hot for You Wow.
Speaker 2: And then she had a slogan that said I will
Speaker 2: do anything at least once, and she was having sex
Speaker 2: to people she met in chat.
Speaker 1: Rooms in sixth grade. Oh she was thirteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So her aunt Shelley basically dropped Christina off at
Speaker 2: the Dan Barry Fair Mall and then called the police
Speaker 2: when she never returned. She ended up sadly being strangled
Speaker 2: by a married restaurant worker she met on the internet.
Speaker 2: So his name is Saul Dose Race and he was
Speaker 2: twenty five years old, and they kept saying undocumented, undocumented,
Speaker 2: and it's like, I don't think that matters, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. It seems like if he was illegal
Speaker 2: immigrant or not, or how he came here or if
Speaker 2: he was born here, like isn't important. But they did
Speaker 2: really like to hammer in that he was undocumented, and
Speaker 2: he actually so he came from Brazil and he's been
Speaker 2: in the state since he was ten years old and
Speaker 2: had no criminal rept His screen name was hot e
Speaker 2: S three hundred, which referred to a Lexus model, and
Speaker 2: she really liked cars too, like she liked Audi's, and
Speaker 2: so they kind of bonded over liking cars.
Speaker 1: And it was not so.
Speaker 2: This mall incident was not the first time they met.
Speaker 2: They have met several times before the murder. They found
Speaker 2: emails indicating the two had agreed to meet this Friday
Speaker 2: night on May seventeenth, two thousand and two. Dos Race
Speaker 2: claims that he accidentally strangled Christina while they were having
Speaker 2: sex in his car in a mall parking lot.
Speaker 4: Accidentally.
Speaker 2: I don't buy it, And there's more evidence later where
Speaker 2: I'm just like, yeah, there's no fucking way.
Speaker 1: It's sad.
Speaker 2: I just don't buy that stuff, like accidental sex stuffs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, buy it.
Speaker 2: That means you're not like a pretty intune partner in
Speaker 2: any way, right right, someone's turning.
Speaker 1: Blue, like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: Yeah? But he then dumped her body twenty five miles away.
Speaker 2: He confessed to the killing and led the officers to
Speaker 2: the body. And that's reported to CBS News by US
Speaker 2: attorney John Danaher the third.
Speaker 1: Her what nothing? I just like when you said the third.
Speaker 2: Her body was found in a remote ravine in Greenwich
Speaker 2: damn Greenwich's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the town next to mine. Yeah, it's really sad.
Speaker 2: And so during the trial, though, he tried to create
Speaker 2: an alibi after Christina's death by writing an email asking her, so,
Speaker 2: how was that date with the guy last night? And
Speaker 2: then The New York Times said that the email was
Speaker 2: actually expressing regret that he had not been able to
Speaker 2: meet her. But either way, he was sending emails after
Speaker 2: he dumped the body, trying to like make it seem
Speaker 2: like he was not the one she was meeting.
Speaker 1: Fuck.
Speaker 2: In April of two thousand and three, he did finally
Speaker 2: plead guilty to federal charges of crossing state lines to
Speaker 2: have sex with a child, which should be rape.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay government.
Speaker 2: He was also convicted of state charges of manslaughter and
Speaker 2: sexual assault. He entered a plea under something called the
Speaker 2: Alfred doctrine, in which she did not admit guilt but
Speaker 2: conceded that the state had enough evidence to convict him.
Speaker 1: Oh so he took an Alford plea. Yeah so you
Speaker 1: know about this? Oh yeah, they talk about these on
Speaker 1: SVU and stuff like. It's basically like you can also
Speaker 1: do this with like a speeding ticket or like other
Speaker 1: tickets you could plead NOLO. It stands for NOLO contender.
Speaker 1: It means like, I don't contest this, but I don't
Speaker 1: admit that I'm guilty. Yeah. I never knew about that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I've pleaded NOLO for like speeding tickets before, because
Speaker 1: I'll be like, I don't think I was speeding, but
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna pay it because I don't want to
Speaker 1: keep coming up to New Hampshire to pay it like
Speaker 1: due trials, you know.
Speaker 2: So anyway, and then his mom during the trial was
Speaker 2: sobbing the whole time, and it's like, excuse me, Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's no room for that in my eyes, Like you're
Speaker 2: sitting next to this aunt who lost her niece and
Speaker 2: you're crying because your son is getting appropriate punishment. Like
Speaker 2: what the fuck are you talking about? Go cry in
Speaker 2: your own home. This is not the place, right. It
Speaker 2: bothers me. Shelley told the La Times, if I had
Speaker 2: my way, he'd be in jail for life. The poor
Speaker 2: me stance. I don't buy it at all. I think
Speaker 2: he is absolutely a monster. And how old was he?
Speaker 1: Twenty five? So why are you fucking a thirteen year old? Like, God,
Speaker 1: it wasn't the first one.
Speaker 2: He's also there was evidence that he raped a fifteen
Speaker 2: year old as well, that he met online. So and
Speaker 2: he was married and stuff, but was cheating on his
Speaker 2: wife with children.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So he was charged in both the state and federal
Speaker 2: courts for his crimes and was sentenced to thirty years
Speaker 2: in prison. The aunt came with another quote and said
Speaker 2: to the News Times, the longer he's in jail, the
Speaker 2: safer other children will be just kind of a badass,
Speaker 2: it seems like. But while he was in federal custody,
Speaker 2: The New York Times reported that he was trying to
Speaker 2: find pen pals online. Like They found a profile he
Speaker 2: made on a site for inmates seeking pen pals in love,
Speaker 2: and he said he was an hour going heterosexual male
Speaker 2: in his mid twenties looking for female pen pals to
Speaker 2: correspond with and said that he was romantic and always
Speaker 2: funny and enjoyed music and dancing, and that he always
Speaker 2: has a positive attitude. And then he also wrote that
Speaker 2: he's very good at telling stories which can and will
Speaker 2: have you shiver. But it's like, take a break from dating.
Speaker 2: You just got to prison, Like what is happening? I
Speaker 2: don't understand this, Like got to get back out there,
Speaker 2: Like why don't you think about your crime?
Speaker 4: How about that? Oh God, take a break from dating.
Speaker 2: This is truly out of control, and it pisses me
Speaker 2: off because I kept trying to find more and more
Speaker 2: information about Christina, and all I could find was articles
Speaker 2: about him and these cases and his lost stuff and
Speaker 2: like this article about him trying to date from prison,
Speaker 2: Like it's like I wanted to know about Christina.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's also like why do the prisons not
Speaker 1: have those sites blocked? I don't think if you need
Speaker 1: to use Google to like write a report for school
Speaker 1: in jail or whatever, fine, you don't need to be
Speaker 1: on faceunion dot com or whatever.
Speaker 2: No, and the people there said that everything's actually written
Speaker 2: and then sent to that whatever it is. I think
Speaker 2: it's bullshit. It's kind of like the Impostor episode that
Speaker 2: we did, the Stranger episode where it's like he was
Speaker 2: still making phone calls from prison and it's like, no,
Speaker 2: you can't let him.
Speaker 1: Damn it is this happening.
Speaker 4: Stop giving them these privileges, and it just.
Speaker 2: It all bothers me and a lot of the articles
Speaker 2: it was all about just like like Christina, what a slug? Oh,
Speaker 2: this girl was having sex from people on it. I'm
Speaker 2: sure in Connecticut.
Speaker 1: I'm sure in Connecticut that was also like like even
Speaker 1: more hyper.
Speaker 2: There were all these chriss just like she dressed really
Speaker 2: provocative and her makeup was heavy and all this stuff,
Speaker 2: and it's like, we talked about this a lot, like
Speaker 2: what were her parents, like, what was her life?
Speaker 4: Why is she so sexual? And why don't we think
Speaker 4: about that?
Speaker 2: And like, yeah, So researching was kind of disappointing in
Speaker 2: how much information I found about him and then the
Speaker 2: lack of information about her outside of what a slug
Speaker 2: you know, no, wa, it's it's just fucking tragic.
Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, his wife obviously divorced him too, And I know
Speaker 2: it's an attorney's job to protect their client and represent them,
Speaker 2: but his attorneys' comments were so fucked up. So his attorney,
Speaker 2: Peter Tillham, told The New York Times that he was
Speaker 2: just maintaining contact with the outside world, and to suggest
Speaker 2: that this is in some way dangerous to the public,
Speaker 2: or that he's trying to meet girls is just silly.
Speaker 2: It's silly given his pass Like, oh my god, why
Speaker 2: else would he be on this pen pal site? Obviously
Speaker 2: to find right right to think we're the ones that
Speaker 2: are wrong, thinking that he's going to do this poorly.
Speaker 1: So this attorney, fuck this guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, is he penpaling with any dudes?
Speaker 1: Is he penpaling with any like forty year old dudes,
Speaker 1: because that's contact. Sure, those guys have cool stories, can
Speaker 1: tell you about football or whatever. Such a good point.
Speaker 2: But this is where my detective little thing was going
Speaker 2: off is and it says in his dislikes on this
Speaker 2: pen Po website, it said he doesn't like dishonesty, lies,
Speaker 2: and disrespect and disrespect. To me, like saying that is
Speaker 2: a red flag because it makes me feel that choking
Speaker 2: was more deliberate, like she could have maybe laughed or
Speaker 2: was not into it or said like I want to
Speaker 2: go back to them, like who knows. But for that,
Speaker 2: for disrespect to be one of your big pet peeves
Speaker 2: to me is a sign that you're an unhinged lunatic. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what's disrespect?
Speaker 1: That's one of your main dislikes is being disrespected. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: I don't like cilantro, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So to me, it's like it just reminds me
Speaker 2: of every bad person, Like because disrespect to me means
Speaker 2: that you're doing anything that's not what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and this accent. I mean, he's in jail for thirty years,
Speaker 2: so like good. But I don't think it was an accident.
Speaker 1: I don't think I.
Speaker 2: Just with that one quote, that's just my that's just
Speaker 2: my opinion. This case caught the attention of Congress, though,
Speaker 2: and was the reason the House of Representatives voted three
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety six to eleven to broaden the power
Speaker 2: of investigators to seek wiretaps for suspected sexual predators. And
Speaker 2: I don't actually know if that's good or bad, but
Speaker 2: I'm telling yeah, because I don't know if it's like
Speaker 2: Patriot Acts stuff where it's like, Okay, well now you're
Speaker 2: taking this case to now like fuck.
Speaker 1: With all of our celebrities.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Or is this good to make sure these fucking
Speaker 2: sexual predators are not?
Speaker 4: We need Munch.
Speaker 1: We need Munch to come and tell us what's what's
Speaker 1: what on this? We need Munch.
Speaker 2: And then for some reason, the Westchester magazine wrote about
Speaker 2: this case and quoted the former manager of Dunkin Donuts
Speaker 2: who said that she used to order her bagels with
Speaker 2: strawberry cream cheese. So I guess I was wanting more
Speaker 2: information about her. And I love strawberry.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's like when you're thirteen, it's like
Speaker 1: you do cheerleading and you hang out with your friends
Speaker 1: and you get bagels with strawberry cream cheese. I don't
Speaker 1: know if there's it's.
Speaker 2: Just wild for a paper, this magazine to like go
Speaker 2: talk to the Dunkin Donuts manager.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, it's just so sad because this is like
Speaker 1: this guy knew who to go after. Like he's going
Speaker 1: after a girl who's vulnerable, who's like young and has
Speaker 1: had like probably most likely some trauma in her life. Right,
Speaker 1: she's not living with her biological parents and they were
Speaker 1: substance abusers. Like it's just really tragic the whole thing.
Speaker 2: It is really tragic, and it's dangerous to meet people online.
Speaker 2: And I mean this episode's from season nine and now
Speaker 2: it's like so much of meeting people is from the internet.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like kind of crazy to think about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's like where would you go now to like
Speaker 1: meet people online, like not Tinder, like if you were
Speaker 1: like thirteen or something like that, Like, because are there
Speaker 1: still chat rooms like AOL and like, I feel like
Speaker 1: most people are on message boards like Reddit and shit,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I'm sure there are chat rooms
Speaker 1: that I just like don't know about. But when I
Speaker 1: was when I was this girl's exact age, when I
Speaker 1: was like eleven and twelve, I would go on to
Speaker 1: AOL when I was babysitting, and I would tell people
Speaker 1: I was in college and I would flirt with guys
Speaker 1: like over I am, you know, and like there were
Speaker 1: chatrooms in AOL. There were chatrooms an instant messenger. But
Speaker 1: I don't really know what if that stuff's all like
Speaker 1: around anymore. I don't know what the new frontier is.
Speaker 2: And you know, I've discussed this before, the frustration of
Speaker 2: like the Christian right pretending they care about sex workers
Speaker 2: but just like fucking with porn hub, yeah, and taking
Speaker 2: away people's stream of money. But Facebook has more human
Speaker 2: trafficking instances than porn hub ever, will like, yeah, millions more.
Speaker 1: So I know you're right. I bet people are just
Speaker 1: messaging on Facebook and shit too. I just don't think
Speaker 1: of that as something that like teens use anymore because
Speaker 1: it seems so old. But I bet there's something Instagram,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, and Instagram too, like, and I know they
Speaker 1: changed Craigslist, but like, yeah, Craigslist I think was the place.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I it's just really scary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm literally asking because I'm like, what websites
Speaker 1: am I supposed to keep my children off of?
Speaker 4: Like eventually, you know, like I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Have to figure that all out because I have a
Speaker 2: really distinct memory from eighth grade where this girl was
Speaker 2: dating a twenty two year old really and we were
Speaker 2: like looking at photos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was fucked.
Speaker 2: I mean that's why it's like these men are predators.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Don't really know what to do, but I do remember
Speaker 2: this friend I had was dating at twenty two year
Speaker 2: old in eighth grade.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so crazy. Yeah, I remember like a camper that
Speaker 1: I had who and who actually now is one of
Speaker 1: my friends because she's only like four years younger than me.
Speaker 1: But I remember when I was like sixteen, I went
Speaker 1: to go to the Little Girls camp and she had
Speaker 1: a picture of like her boyfriend and she was twelve
Speaker 1: and he was like sixteen or seventeen, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is making me feel uncomfortable. But she looked really old,
Speaker 1: like this girl has looked like she was an adult
Speaker 1: since she was like ten or eleven.
Speaker 4: And I was like, no, I'm.
Speaker 1: Not saying he's oh, I'm not saying he's no I know,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, these are the kind of girls. I
Speaker 1: think sometimes these guys you were also young, right, Because
Speaker 1: I was saying, because when I see kids now, you
Speaker 1: can tell they're a kid. Yeah, Like to you at sixteen,
Speaker 1: you probably thought you looked more mature too, and then
Speaker 1: you looked at this kid and you're like, whoa, you
Speaker 1: look mature. But like if you're twenty five, you know
Speaker 1: those you know that that's a thirteen or a twelve
Speaker 1: year old girl.
Speaker 2: When I even see college and even now when I
Speaker 2: go out to bars are like out and about and
Speaker 2: I'm looking I mean, I mean, I'm staying in Williamsburg
Speaker 2: right now, and it's like, these people are young. These
Speaker 2: are the children. I'm sure they're twenty two, twenty three,
Speaker 2: but even that to me looks so young.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but these guys, it's like, I don't even what it's.
Speaker 1: It's what they're attracted to. But it's also the fact
Speaker 1: that they can like tell them what to do, like
Speaker 1: a twenty year old might tell them, like her thoughts
Speaker 1: and opinions, but they think a thirteen year old, fourteen
Speaker 1: year old, fifteen year old, that's a girl that thinks
Speaker 1: I'm older and cool and I can control everything that
Speaker 1: they do. You know, on top of the fact that
Speaker 1: they're probably pedophiles that are like attracted to the young. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we do have an amazing interview as always to cleanse
Speaker 1: your palette of all the sadness, So stay where you are, guys.
Speaker 4: Our guest today is Svu Royalty.
Speaker 1: Besides being an actor, she's also an acclaimed author with
Speaker 1: a New York Times bestselling memoir Excuse Me called Happens
Speaker 1: every Day, And you know her as the woman behind
Speaker 1: the man who keeps Svu afloat and is constantly abandoned
Speaker 1: by her negligent husband.
Speaker 2: Guys, we got Stabler. We got Kathy Stabler.
Speaker 1: Please enjoy our chat with the very talented and lovely
Speaker 1: is the Belle Gillies.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, so happy, so great to.
Speaker 1: Meet you at great to meet one of my This
Speaker 1: is my first booking on this podcast that came through
Speaker 1: my camp connections, and I'm really excited. I'm really excited
Speaker 1: about it. I was it's so funny I was at
Speaker 1: camp this summer. I took my kids to the family
Speaker 1: camp and I was sitting with Jeremy Cutler and he
Speaker 1: was like, how's your podcast doing? And he goes, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the moms of the campers is on that show.
Speaker 4: And I go who?
Speaker 2: And he told me you, and I go, I go, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think we're trying to get.
Speaker 4: In touch with her.
Speaker 2: And then like I was just like, can you maybe
Speaker 2: see if she's interested?
Speaker 4: And I love it.
Speaker 2: Well, We're honored to have you here because the big
Speaker 2: running joke comment of our podcast is that Elliott Stabler
Speaker 2: is a terrible father and it's never home. You're just
Speaker 2: constantly like he's never at their birthdays, he can't pick
Speaker 2: up stuff. And then sometimes he'll pretend he'll be like,
Speaker 2: got to pick up stuff for the twins' birthday.
Speaker 4: He'll never pick it up.
Speaker 2: And you, without your character, without Kathy, there would be
Speaker 2: no Elliott Stabler and we just need to talk about.
Speaker 4: That, and those five kids would be in foster care.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, we just literally did a live show
Speaker 1: where it's like one of these things where it was
Speaker 1: there was the episode Wildlife where Elliott is like trying
Speaker 1: to take down an animal smuggling ring, and you keep
Speaker 1: being like you come home and help with your baby,
Speaker 1: and you open the door and you think it's Elliott,
Speaker 1: but it's Olivia, and there's like this look of disappointment
Speaker 1: on your face. And we took a screenshot of it
Speaker 1: for our live show. We were like, this is the
Speaker 1: face of a woman who's expecting her husband to come home,
Speaker 1: but in s.
Speaker 4: It's Murshkar, Yeah, his emotional affair.
Speaker 1: Friends. I remember that.
Speaker 5: I remember that episode because there was I think we
Speaker 5: had like tigers on set. Yes, I think they're hyenas, yeah,
Speaker 5: And I remember wanting to go and see them. But
Speaker 5: you know, I was always in the house. I was
Speaker 5: never around all the cool stuff every once in a while.
Speaker 1: So how did you like Kathy's Stabler Journey? Like start?
Speaker 1: Did you just like you just went in an auditioned
Speaker 1: and were like, I don't even know what this is.
Speaker 4: Was it like you were on season one?
Speaker 5: I was on season one, episode one, So it wasn't
Speaker 5: like I didn't know what it was because I had
Speaker 5: already been on Law and Order, okay, and I was
Speaker 5: on the mother Ship in a kind of big episode
Speaker 5: called Bad Girl and with Sam Waterston and I got killed.
Speaker 5: I was executed and I killed the cop. It was
Speaker 5: like this huge And that's the thing about Law and
Speaker 5: Order which was so fun, is that you could do
Speaker 5: these huge range stuff, you know, so because there was
Speaker 5: all sorts of you know, like murderers and all kinds
Speaker 5: of things like that and crying. And I went in
Speaker 5: for Ted Kotschaf and I think Dick Wolfe and I
Speaker 5: had done the big thing, and so I went in
Speaker 5: and it was like a CoP's wife and I was
Speaker 5: twenty seven, I want to say, and I was like,
Speaker 5: come on, this is you gotta hire me. It's like
Speaker 5: and I'd been in for Alaw and Order like over
Speaker 5: and over and over and over, as all New York
Speaker 5: City actors are, and I was like, I think this
Speaker 5: is kind of my part. And then they didn't. I
Speaker 5: didn't hear from them or anything. And then the costume
Speaker 5: person called me and was like, we just want to
Speaker 5: set up a fitting and I was like why and
Speaker 5: they were like, because you got the what do you
Speaker 5: tell you about you're on the call sheet. I was like, okay, well,
Speaker 5: first big part, yeah, to not hear about it, but yeah,
Speaker 5: and then that was.
Speaker 1: That was it and then that was that, and like
Speaker 1: you had no idea it was going to go on
Speaker 1: for like a million seasons.
Speaker 5: No no. And I remember meeting Marushka and in the
Speaker 5: trailer and like meeting Chris and being like, oh, I
Speaker 5: you know, and then meeting and being like I then
Speaker 5: went to the I think it was like a kindergarten room.
Speaker 5: And I also before I had kids, so I was like, oh, play,
Speaker 5: I'm like pretending to be a mom.
Speaker 2: Well, if we're gonna talk about this episode, I you know,
Speaker 2: we've both seen a sview tons of times. We've seen
Speaker 2: this episode a bunch. We both teared up watching the
Speaker 2: car crash. It was like such an incredible performance and
Speaker 2: I just couldn't believe. We both separately went on to
Speaker 2: record and we were both were like, this made us
Speaker 2: cry even though we've seen it. It was I think
Speaker 2: for me, Like for me, it was making me cry
Speaker 2: because like I've now since i've seen this the last time,
Speaker 2: I've now given birth twice and I was just like,
Speaker 2: this is so hard. Like giving birth is traumatic enough,
Speaker 2: like in a nice hospital bed with an epidural, and
Speaker 2: then it's like you are in a freaking car with
Speaker 2: the roof getting sawed off.
Speaker 1: Your head is real policeman, Like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: It was just like I just it felt so real
Speaker 2: that I was like, I feel so bad for her,
Speaker 2: even though like I know you were not giving birth
Speaker 2: in it.
Speaker 1: It was just how was it to shoot that?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: It was?
Speaker 5: So the producers came to me and they said something
Speaker 5: were because I never knew was happening. And usually I
Speaker 5: was a very minor I means, as important of a
Speaker 5: role as Kathy is, because she is you know, you
Speaker 5: can't as and Dick Wolf, I believe designed the part
Speaker 5: this way so that you know he was going to
Speaker 5: be a sex crimes detective and to sort of buttress
Speaker 5: that and to make it legit you had to have
Speaker 5: a family.
Speaker 2: So it was an.
Speaker 5: Important role, but not a very big Ultimately, not a
Speaker 5: very big role. I I, you know, come in and
Speaker 5: like be like you're not here, Like I'm over here.
Speaker 5: The kid's going to you know. And so they came
Speaker 5: to me and they were like, we're writing a big
Speaker 5: episode for you, and we're not quite sure what it is,
Speaker 5: but it's going to be something that's kind of a
Speaker 5: big and something that's like health related. So either I
Speaker 5: think it was going to be like she got sick
Speaker 5: or she's something was going to happen to Kathy.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh.
Speaker 5: And then I got the script and it was really
Speaker 5: the first time that I had worked very heavily with Marishka,
Speaker 5: and we were friends, but not like the best friends
Speaker 5: or anything. We were just like fred Lee on the set.
Speaker 5: And the script was great and it was so so
Speaker 5: the first day it's like an eight day shoot. Every
Speaker 5: episode is an eighth day shoot pretty much. And then
Speaker 5: the first day they they were like, all right, we're
Speaker 5: going to crash these cars the car that I'm in.
Speaker 5: The only way to get it to look like that
Speaker 5: is to actually crash cars. So we were up shooting
Speaker 5: in Harlum and Marishka and I got on the corner
Speaker 5: and watched these cars. I mean, they have professionals. You
Speaker 5: can professionally crash cars and it doesn't harm anyone. So
Speaker 5: they crashed the cars, which was horrifying. So we started off,
Speaker 5: and I don't know if the producers or the director
Speaker 5: was aware of how impactful pun how you know, what
Speaker 5: a meaningful way it was to start off that shoot.
Speaker 5: But also we shot pretty much sequentially, so sometimes you'll like,
Speaker 5: shoot we could, so we shot the car crash, but
Speaker 5: deep deep de de and then the berth and then
Speaker 5: the you know, it wasn't like we could have started
Speaker 5: with a berth that just like that's but it's really
Speaker 5: good that we didn't in that way because we could
Speaker 5: see the car crash. That was really upsetting. And what
Speaker 5: they do is they vacuum all the glass out and
Speaker 5: put in fake glass, you know, rubber glass. So every
Speaker 5: day we would like it took four days to shoot that,
Speaker 5: so we would like crawl into the crashed car and
Speaker 5: then they'd put blood all over us and put the
Speaker 5: glass all over us. And then to do the Jaws
Speaker 5: of life, they had real the whole thing. They have
Speaker 5: an I think always online or there's they have real
Speaker 5: fire department and real police officers. So and it's a
Speaker 5: mix of like actors and playing fire department people.
Speaker 4: And I don't know if we knew that, I'd ever
Speaker 4: heard that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And so one thing that was incredible was that.
Speaker 5: And you're acting the whole time, and and when you're acting,
Speaker 5: you know modestly like well, when it's when it's when
Speaker 5: it's happening, when you like really truly believe you're in
Speaker 5: the car craft, which which I did. Like you something
Speaker 5: clicks in your you're like playing for tend. It's like
Speaker 5: you know when you're playing pretend when you're little, and
Speaker 5: like I used to play Little House in the Prairie
Speaker 5: and stuff like that when I was little in the forest,
Speaker 5: and I would pretend so hard and like imagine so
Speaker 5: hard that I really thought I was, you know, making
Speaker 5: stew with pine needles and stuff like that. So I
Speaker 5: was like imagining my way into being in this situation.
Speaker 5: And then I really felt like I was in the situation.
Speaker 5: And then when you're doing that, like the vibe that
Speaker 5: comes off you is feels real. So then I remember
Speaker 5: a real fireman getting all like freaked out, welled up,
Speaker 5: and after he was like whoa, it's like, yeah, you're
Speaker 5: like in it, you know, yeah, because they had you know,
Speaker 5: you can't operate an actor can't operate Jaws of Life, right,
Speaker 5: those big huge scissors that cut metal. That professional has
Speaker 5: to do that. So they had to be I mean,
Speaker 5: if you watch it, you'll see it's like a real
Speaker 5: fireman and real fire trucks. We can't drive. Actors can't
Speaker 5: drive fire trucks.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, they could sit in one for a minute,
Speaker 6: but you know, the not seeing the fire trucks come in,
Speaker 6: they shut down the whole neighborhood.
Speaker 5: And then it's there must have been ten vehicles of
Speaker 5: some sort with their you know, so it felt.
Speaker 1: Really real and they just had to set that up
Speaker 1: like every day for four days. While that's wild.
Speaker 5: Oh it's huge what they do, it's huge.
Speaker 1: And then so you said, like you and Marishka, did
Speaker 1: you guys become better friends after that episode?
Speaker 3: That was it?
Speaker 5: That was like we were in there and you know,
Speaker 5: she's saving my life and saving my baby, and I'm
Speaker 5: and I'm very much giving her what she needs to
Speaker 5: feel like it was. I mean, we were really just
Speaker 5: locked into each other and we were kind of like, oh, Hi,
Speaker 5: who are you joining them to my wedding? I was
Speaker 5: getting married in real life right after that, and I
Speaker 5: was like, I think you have to come to my wedding.
Speaker 5: She's like, yes, I believe I have to. So now
Speaker 5: we're really really good friends.
Speaker 4: I loved us before you had kids. Yeah, so what.
Speaker 1: Gave you the No?
Speaker 5: It was after I had kids, So you knew I
Speaker 5: love this episode because it was like eight years in
Speaker 5: or ten years Yeah, maybe, so I had had kids,
Speaker 5: so I got before I got the part. I got engaged,
Speaker 5: I got married, I had two kids all on the show.
Speaker 5: I got divorced, I got engaged, and I got married
Speaker 5: all one.
Speaker 1: Wow, Kathy Sable A busy Wait, it was ten, So
Speaker 1: you had already had kids when you did this, so
Speaker 1: you were already like you already knew the process of
Speaker 1: like how oh my god, and you're just like in
Speaker 1: an ambulance passing out giving birth. Oh my god.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's part the pushing part. I felt like I
Speaker 5: was pretty authentic. And then passing out. I was like,
Speaker 5: I don't know, I never even got close to passing
Speaker 5: out when I was really having kids, So that was
Speaker 5: just like a.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, Well, I was just gonna say you had
Speaker 1: this marriage with Christopher Maloney for years, like obviously you
Speaker 1: guys see you seem to have a good rapport on screen.
Speaker 1: Tell us like, we've talked to a lot you know,
Speaker 1: you're our one hundredth guests. Actually we will mention it,
Speaker 1: you're a one hundredth guest isolation, and we like, so
Speaker 1: we've talked to ninety nine other actors who have worked
Speaker 1: on the show, some not with him, because obviously he
Speaker 1: left halfway through, but you know, most people tell us
Speaker 1: he was really nice, but kind of serious and just
Speaker 1: like off doing his own thing. We hear, we hear
Speaker 1: about Marishka. We hear she's like an angel on earth
Speaker 1: and like, you know, God's gift to being the number
Speaker 1: one on the show. And so I'm just wondering, Like,
Speaker 1: you guys seem like you have like a fun rapport
Speaker 1: you and Maloney. You're like smiling and joking and stuff.
Speaker 1: So like, what was your relationship like with him?
Speaker 5: Yeah, we had We always had a good time together.
Speaker 5: We always I mean, you know, I think when you
Speaker 5: do a show every day for fifteen hours a day,
Speaker 5: there's just things you need to do to preserve your
Speaker 5: sanity and and and everyone's different, right, So Marushka I
Speaker 5: think gets a lot of energy from being super connected
Speaker 5: to everyone on the set and you know, just very
Speaker 5: giving of herself. I'm sure there's things she does to also,
Speaker 5: you know, keep you know, get from her abundance, not
Speaker 5: from her essence. Right, So she and Chris just has
Speaker 5: different So Chris is you know, has had a dressing room,
Speaker 5: and it was he was in there a lot, but
Speaker 5: he was doing his thing or wherever, but we had
Speaker 5: I mean, the two of us and whoever whatever kid
Speaker 5: was on set had a kind of like we're family,
Speaker 5: we are playing a family. We are It was sort
Speaker 5: of even though he you know, was like never home
Speaker 5: and he ended, you know, everyone was really rooting for
Speaker 5: him in Marishka all the time. There was sort of
Speaker 5: a baseline understanding that we were playing a family, like
Speaker 5: the world whoever was going to watch it needed to
Speaker 5: believe in us as a family and I It was
Speaker 5: unspoken for sure, but there was a very sort of
Speaker 5: loving vibe. Not in not like we weren't best buds,
Speaker 5: like I don't even think I have a cell phone
Speaker 5: number how to do, but like it wasn't like we
Speaker 5: were texting being like let's let's you know, go on
Speaker 5: vacation together or whatever.
Speaker 3: It was just.
Speaker 5: A mutual respect maybe and and also very professional, like
Speaker 5: we'd arrive in the set and be like, how you know,
Speaker 5: let's go do our thing. What was hard for me
Speaker 5: as an actor is that I didn't work every day.
Speaker 5: So every it's like it's like if everyone's running across country,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, and they're just in a
Speaker 5: pace and going, and then I'd have to like run
Speaker 5: in from the sidelines and catch up. And it was
Speaker 5: hard because I just, you know, acting is a lot
Speaker 5: about muscle memory and just knowing the there's fifty people
Speaker 5: on the set, like knowing everyone's names and it feels
Speaker 5: like a family. Well, it doesn't really feel like a
Speaker 5: family if you're only working once every six weeks or
Speaker 5: once a month or whatever. So you know, sometimes in
Speaker 5: the beginning, I'd be on set and they'd be like
Speaker 5: kind of like, who are you?
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm.
Speaker 5: Katie Stabler, like know who I am, But you know,
Speaker 5: they didn't because I wasn't on set a lot. So
Speaker 5: then it was like this big role and then not
Speaker 5: a lot of you know, practice in a way. And
Speaker 5: the first first season, I was on two shows. Oh
Speaker 5: I was on an NBC show too, on the Street.
Speaker 5: It was a Darren Starr show where I played a stripper,
Speaker 5: so and she was like stripper with a heart of gold,
Speaker 5: and I'm playing the other like cop mom on another.
Speaker 4: So it was just like, you know, wow, what a
Speaker 4: busy year for you.
Speaker 5: I was busy then. And then I had a b.
Speaker 2: And moved to Ohio, So oh, really, you moved to
Speaker 2: Ohio and then you would just like come back to
Speaker 2: do Kathy.
Speaker 5: And then so I moved My ex husband is a
Speaker 5: poetry professor, and we moved to Ohio so he could
Speaker 5: do his job, and they'd fly me in and they
Speaker 5: were about to kind of write me off the show.
Speaker 5: I think, man, I don't know that. But we were
Speaker 5: getting a divorce. I don't know if you remember, like yeah,
Speaker 5: Chris and I were getting a divorced and then we
Speaker 5: were literally did anybody know it? But I was My
Speaker 5: husband was leaving me. So I came back to New
Speaker 5: York with my two kids. I've written a whole book
Speaker 5: about this, by the way, and moved in with my
Speaker 5: parents and lost thirty pounds and I had There was
Speaker 5: an episode where I think I was going to like
Speaker 5: get divorced, like sign the papers, and I came back
Speaker 5: to shoot it and I was like thin and I
Speaker 5: had this like mojo that was like, don't fuck with me,
Speaker 5: and the producers were like, what is happening? Got written
Speaker 5: back onto the show, didn't get the divorce, did paternity
Speaker 5: like got it? I remember they were like, Kathy's going
Speaker 5: to have a different wardrobe, She's gonna have gotten a job,
Speaker 5: Like there's now me and Maurushka where I'm like in
Speaker 5: a purple coat.
Speaker 1: It was like Kathy's Stabler got her groove back for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I got divorced in real life.
Speaker 1: Well so then how did you feel then when they
Speaker 1: wrote you back in? You get like kind of a
Speaker 1: juicy thing whatever. And then in season twelve you would
Speaker 1: just like find out after that that Maloney's just not
Speaker 1: coming back, and so the whole Stabler family is just
Speaker 1: like goodbye.
Speaker 3: What was that?
Speaker 5: I find out on the internet.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5: They didn't even.
Speaker 4: Call me, like they have the wrong number for you.
Speaker 1: They're calling some wrong person and being like, hi, you
Speaker 1: have the role of Kathy's Stabler.
Speaker 5: Hi yah.
Speaker 1: The whole Stabler family is leaving. But it's like a
Speaker 1: voicemail of a woman named Susan. Okay, so that was it.
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, I guess I'm not having a
Speaker 5: job anymore. So that was a barn But you know
Speaker 5: then I I can't even remember when that was, but
Speaker 5: I had think I don't remember when that was, but
Speaker 5: I had become a writer, like I so I've written
Speaker 5: four books and I just like I just shifted kind
Speaker 5: of into a different career. Yeah, not that I wouldn't,
Speaker 5: you know, if I had a friend or like, well
Speaker 5: now I'm dead on Law and Order, but well you know,
Speaker 5: but if they ever were like ghosts come back, you know,
Speaker 5: i'd go back or whatever. But I uh, yeah, So
Speaker 5: I just got a new career. And I also I
Speaker 5: remember going to an audition for pan M. It was
Speaker 5: going to be a big series about flight attendants, but
Speaker 5: in the sixties, like it was going to be like.
Speaker 1: I remember a commercials for Christina Ricci was in it.
Speaker 5: She might have been in it, yeah, And I went
Speaker 5: in for it and it was like a twenty five
Speaker 5: year old who was the producer, and they were talking
Speaker 5: about me, like no shade on them. But I just
Speaker 5: did not have a very good experience with that audition
Speaker 5: where I felt like I was being man's plain too
Speaker 5: and they were like talking about me when I was
Speaker 5: I was like, excuse me, I'm like a mother of
Speaker 5: two and have been on television or in the movies
Speaker 5: for like eighteen years or something like that, so don't
Speaker 5: talk about me when I'm not there. And I left
Speaker 5: the audition and called my current husband and I was like,
Speaker 5: is it okay? I of course I'm asking permission, which
Speaker 5: I probably wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Do today, but haha.
Speaker 5: I was like, if I'm quit, I just don't want
Speaker 5: to act anymore. I don't want to go into that
Speaker 5: kind of dynamic where I'm just this sort of like
Speaker 5: they see me as I don't know, something less important
Speaker 5: than I feel like I am. So I was like,
Speaker 5: I'm out.
Speaker 1: And did you always write?
Speaker 5: No? Okay, no, no, no, I was dyslexic. I was like,
Speaker 5: totally didn't think I was a writer at all. And
Speaker 5: then this experience happened to me, and I was writing
Speaker 5: to my friend's emails about it and they were like,
Speaker 5: this is you have to write and I was like,
Speaker 5: I can't write. And then a friend Mine's like, you
Speaker 5: really should write this book. And so I went to
Speaker 5: the library. I drop my kids off at kindergarten when
Speaker 5: they were little, drop them off at school, take the
Speaker 5: Crosstown busk, and went to this library and I just
Speaker 5: wrote every day and like at the end it was
Speaker 5: I don't know it was a book, and so that's
Speaker 5: another story. But then that got published and it was
Speaker 5: a New York Times bestseller and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, was this was this the book happens every day?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 1: We were going to ask you about that that's on
Speaker 1: our list. So that's like a memoir. And then are
Speaker 1: the other ones memoirs or are they.
Speaker 5: Fiction or the second one's a memoir, the third one's fiction,
Speaker 5: and the fourth one is like kind of like a
Speaker 5: manifesto sort of. It's called Cozy about the truth of
Speaker 5: who you are and knowing that and then locating that
Speaker 5: in the world so that you can feel good anywhere.
Speaker 5: So you could, like if you know who you are
Speaker 5: and you know like what makes you tick and what
Speaker 5: you like and what speaks to you, then if you're
Speaker 5: in a bumber situation in the world, which always happens,
Speaker 5: you can try like let's say you're in a hospital,
Speaker 5: but well, if you know that you know you're from
Speaker 5: the South and you like Southern accents or whatever, you
Speaker 5: can like listen for that, or you can like, you know,
Speaker 5: I like putting my hand in between like the mattress
Speaker 5: in the wall. I just sometimes put my hand in there,
Speaker 5: and that just makes me feel good. And like cozy
Speaker 5: must be some old thing. But like if I don't
Speaker 5: feel right, I can know that I can do that
Speaker 5: and feel good. So I talk to like nurses and
Speaker 5: I talked to all these people and they were all like,
Speaker 5: oh yeah, Like cozy is like one nurse head in
Speaker 5: her workstation had this little shelf that exactly fit her
Speaker 5: cup of coffee and she just loved it and it
Speaker 5: just made her. That little movement of putting the coffee
Speaker 5: in the thing just made her. And she was a
Speaker 5: trauma she was an ICU nurse, and she was like
Speaker 5: just knowing that that's there, it helps me do my job.
Speaker 5: So I kind of identified that as the word cozy,
Speaker 5: not like sweaters and fires and.
Speaker 4: Yeah all that.
Speaker 5: But so that was the fourth book.
Speaker 1: Did you What was it like when you guys all
Speaker 1: reunited like last year to make that big episode.
Speaker 5: That episode, it was wild. There was a one we
Speaker 5: were waiting for lighting or something and I was in
Speaker 5: the thing in the bed and it was very emotional. Actually,
Speaker 5: I like was totally. I was always crying on that job,
Speaker 5: but I was crying. I was. We were sitting there
Speaker 5: like waiting for lighting, and the was were like wow, wow, wow, wow,
Speaker 5: Like we're here. You know, we hadn't been this, yeah
Speaker 5: you Chris and Marishka had barely been on set together
Speaker 5: at that point. So it was really wild, you know,
Speaker 5: it was like what ten years later or something.
Speaker 1: It was yeah, yeah, pretty much exactly because it was yeah,
Speaker 1: he left around twenty twelve and then twenty.
Speaker 5: Was like twenty twenty one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so it was.
Speaker 5: It was very moving and we just shot it in
Speaker 5: one go and that was yeah, but it was it was.
Speaker 5: It was great, It really was.
Speaker 2: So you mentioned this earlier with like, you know, the
Speaker 2: will they won't they have the Libya and like the viewers,
Speaker 2: but internally was did did you guys know that like
Speaker 2: that was never gonna happen or was that always a
Speaker 2: possibility within the writer.
Speaker 5: That's such a good, such a good question. I never
Speaker 5: thought about that, Yeah, because usually I guess there was
Speaker 5: this thing that I kind of knew that it was
Speaker 5: annoyed because some of the script was like this is annoying,
Speaker 5: like you're always with Olivia, but then like in paternity,
Speaker 5: Olivia drove me to my appointment or whatever.
Speaker 1: But in this episode, I feel like they were teasing
Speaker 1: the viewers almost that they were going to kill you,
Speaker 1: like that you were going to die in childbirth. Like
Speaker 1: I think that because like Olivia is there saving you.
Speaker 1: You pass out like twice, then they have you at
Speaker 1: the hospital where Elliot comes running in. We don't even
Speaker 1: know that you're there and alive. He could just be there,
Speaker 1: like you know, it could just be the baby.
Speaker 2: And so then he.
Speaker 1: Has this like really emotional hug with Olivia afterwards. And
Speaker 1: I feel like when I was watching that in two
Speaker 1: thousand and whatever seven and I want to let you
Speaker 1: know right now, we are not a pro Olivia and
Speaker 1: Elliott podcast at all.
Speaker 4: We do not think they belong together.
Speaker 1: I remember thinking, Oh, they're they're going to try to
Speaker 1: make us think that Kathy's dying now, so that Elliott
Speaker 1: and Olivia finally have a chance to be together. But
Speaker 1: then of course they didn't do it, because they're never going.
Speaker 2: To do them.
Speaker 1: We could probably talk to you for a lot longer,
Speaker 1: but this remain I want that. Yeah, cozy, Yeah, do
Speaker 1: you have anything you want us to like plug to
Speaker 1: our listeners just like your books?
Speaker 5: Yeah, my books. I'm writing a new book. I'm writing
Speaker 5: a novel.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 4: So do you write every day? Is that how it works?
Speaker 5: I've been a little bad about it. This My youngest kid,
Speaker 5: Our youngest kid just went to college.
Speaker 1: So you're alone, your empty nest.
Speaker 5: Yeah, a little adjustment time for ig, but no, I
Speaker 5: try and write from eight thirty to eleven thirty every day.
Speaker 1: Okay, well we'll let you go. I'm sure you would
Speaker 1: rather be writing.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was fun.
Speaker 1: I don't even know how Casey's going to cut that down,
Speaker 1: because like, that was a full hour of fun. Walter
Speaker 1: Wall Chat, Yeah, it really.
Speaker 2: I loved her journey. I loved the writing. I loved
Speaker 2: her honesty and openness. I loved your guys a little
Speaker 2: Camp moment, you know.
Speaker 1: I like him so I love for our one hundredth
Speaker 1: episode that we got a guest through camp. It's like
Speaker 1: so serendipitous and yeah, she gave us like a lot
Speaker 1: of cool info. And I just like that episode. I've
Speaker 1: seen it five times, but it really hit me different
Speaker 1: this time, like I I mean, yeah, it was a.
Speaker 4: Jaws of life pregnant giving birth.
Speaker 1: I get it's just because I haven't seen it since
Speaker 1: I gave birth twice, so it's fucking nuts.
Speaker 2: But well, you know what, another guest from our one
Speaker 2: hundred episodes just came to mind that I was really
Speaker 2: excited for. I'd like to give a shout out. Oh Catherine,
Speaker 2: Catherine Moriarty, Kathy, what was Kathy Moriarty. Kathy Moriarty, that
Speaker 2: was it was a special get for me as a
Speaker 2: soap dish psychotic.
Speaker 1: She was a special get for me. I was so
Speaker 1: happy to have for her life.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 1: But I'm a cheerleader.
Speaker 2: Yes, love, we're both Yeah, we really both combined to
Speaker 2: be very We can't forget her with our best STU
Speaker 2: but truly we.
Speaker 4: Didn't mention it.
Speaker 2: We still have to eat the pizza. Pizza, No, I
Speaker 2: mean we've talked to everyone that's like amazing and cool
Speaker 2: and we get jazzed every time, or we get like
Speaker 2: super surprised and taken different places with people. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: you know, I'm a stoner. I'm giving you what it
Speaker 2: comes at the top of my head. I mean I'm
Speaker 2: not even Yeah, like Isabelle gilly Is, that was fucking fun. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I want to read her. I want to be cozy.
Speaker 2: I like these little minute things.
Speaker 1: I like that. And just like she's gone through a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff in her life and it's just like
Speaker 1: zigging and zagging, like move to Ohio, like got it
Speaker 1: as divorced, like decided to like pivot from acting to writing,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: cool stuff.
Speaker 4: I think that she has a lot that we can
Speaker 4: and I.
Speaker 2: Love that her goal is like, yeah, I write for
Speaker 2: me at thirty to eleven thirty, and that's like, what
Speaker 2: a nice goal. Three hours? Get it yeah, in get
Speaker 2: it in. Oh my god, So you know my sexy
Speaker 2: acting job I.
Speaker 1: Have right now. Yeah.
Speaker 2: One of the wardrobe guys is the best smelling man
Speaker 2: I've ever smelled in my life, like fresh, Like it's
Speaker 2: like I'm in a waterfall, in a jumpt like I
Speaker 2: it's the freshest law sent I've ever had. And he
Speaker 2: says he layers the sense and it lasts and it's
Speaker 2: not overpowering. And every time I'm near the scent, I'm
Speaker 2: like happy to have it back in my life, and
Speaker 2: I'm hopefully I'll write it down. It seems you in
Speaker 2: a sex like I might try to engage with the
Speaker 2: smell because I was like, every time he comes around,
Speaker 2: I'm like hmmm, Like it just was like the cleanest,
Speaker 2: freshest scent I've ever smelled.
Speaker 1: Well, people really love us talking about sense because when
Speaker 1: we talked about Bessie Johnson, a lot of people wrote
Speaker 1: in and were like, yes, more about the fragrances you like.
Speaker 1: And I will say that my brother, Colin, the joker
Speaker 1: loving the heath led your joker loving brother of mine. Colin,
Speaker 1: he wears tom Ford for men and it smells I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's just on him or what.
Speaker 4: It's smell so fucking good.
Speaker 1: Like he's my brother, but I'm just like, every time
Speaker 1: he's around me, I'm like, God, that smells good. I
Speaker 1: would never have Jared wear it because, like, I don't
Speaker 1: really like too much Colone, but I love my brother's Colone.
Speaker 4: I'm not scared to say it.
Speaker 2: I love that my dad grew He was a maniac.
Speaker 2: He like would go to the dollar store by aftershave
Speaker 2: and fucking dump half.
Speaker 1: A bottle on it. Yeah, and then we'd have to
Speaker 1: go to.
Speaker 2: A Russian restaurant to get wasted at brunch and it
Speaker 2: was like he would just smell up the car.
Speaker 1: Motherfucker perfect one hundredth episode. We are not getting at
Speaker 1: all to the point of anything right now. At the
Speaker 1: end of that episode, I'm excited.
Speaker 4: What do we want?
Speaker 1: What is this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I paternity, don't fucking kill the mother of your children?
Speaker 1: Is that a lesson? Is that something you guys needed
Speaker 1: advice on stop the post mortem of this episode. I
Speaker 1: feel like we got to talk about how it's wild
Speaker 1: to act like someone's only related to you if it's
Speaker 1: like through blood. There's so many different ways to have families,
Speaker 1: Like you did not have to kill all these I
Speaker 1: don't know, like fucking men in their sperm dicks. It's
Speaker 1: like the men in there together too obsessed with proliferating
Speaker 1: their sperm all around the world.
Speaker 4: Anyway.
Speaker 1: Also be careful with like online dating. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: it's fucked up somebody I actually just read. You know,
Speaker 1: we talk about it all the time. Men are a friend,
Speaker 1: Women are afraid that men will kill them. Women are
Speaker 1: afraid that men will laugh at them. I believe it's
Speaker 1: Margaret Atwood who wrote The Handmaid's Tale that that's attributed to.
Speaker 2: You might have said it back you might have said
Speaker 2: it backwards, but I think we all know.
Speaker 1: Women are afraid that men will kill them, and men
Speaker 1: are afraid that women will laugh at them. Yeah, would
Speaker 1: they say different? Okay, so two women in this episode
Speaker 1: get killed because they laugh at a man, and like,
Speaker 1: I just feel like, I don't know, Well, maybe my
Speaker 1: post mortem advice is like don't be alone with a
Speaker 1: strange man and laugh at him. But yet they're the.
Speaker 2: Ones that are always like, have a sense of humor.
Speaker 2: I was joking, women are funny, and then they're the
Speaker 2: way you are, correct, Margaret, that would yeah, but they're
Speaker 2: always the ones that are first to get pissed and
Speaker 2: get diffensive. I was watching below Deck in a hotel,
Speaker 2: great binge watch, and some guy is pissed because girls
Speaker 2: like drunkenly were like called him a bitch, but like
Speaker 2: what up, bitch? Yeah, and he lost it and he's
Speaker 2: the bosin, so it's like you have to professional.
Speaker 4: He wouldn't even look at this woman for like days.
Speaker 2: He went straight to the captain and was like, I
Speaker 2: don't want to be called a bitch. I went to
Speaker 2: the Marines and was like, oh, okay, chill out, and
Speaker 2: even like then then the girl later in her confessional
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, if you get this upset being called
Speaker 2: a bitch, like you need to look inward and know
Speaker 2: why you're that upset and not like yell at everyone
Speaker 2: like we didn't do anything. Yeah, there was the guy
Speaker 2: that did that where I was like, oh my god, girl,
Speaker 2: you won't believe it.
Speaker 4: And he's like I'm not a girl, don't say that.
Speaker 2: And it's like okay, but you wouldn't be mad if
Speaker 2: like someone said, dude or guy, just like chill. Why
Speaker 2: is that so crazy to you? It's like the way
Speaker 2: I speak, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like toxic masculinity for the loss, Yeah I hate it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like these leads a murder.
Speaker 2: If you want toxic masculinity, that's not that horrific. I
Speaker 2: would watch below Deck, but well, watching them these men
Speaker 2: get fired is gets me off. They had to fire
Speaker 2: a chef for being bad, and it was like get
Speaker 2: rid of this piece of shit.
Speaker 1: It felt good to watch. It must be kind of
Speaker 1: freeing to be on a reality show because you can
Speaker 1: kind of say anything you want to men because there's
Speaker 1: cameras there, Like it's like every you know, you're a
Speaker 1: bit protected. You can like say, but dudes are like
Speaker 1: it's kind of what you say. It's like, dudes aren't scared.
Speaker 2: There was one below Deck where it was a bunch
Speaker 2: of dudes and one of the dudes grabbed one of
Speaker 2: the stews and like picked her up and she's like
Speaker 2: put me down, and they didn't like it, and he's like,
Speaker 2: what are you gonna do call like the boat police.
Speaker 2: And it's like there's cameras all around you, and you're
Speaker 2: not scared at all. This woman is telling you and
Speaker 2: you're like, I'm not even like they are not worried,
Speaker 2: they are not scared. They are out there touching lower
Speaker 2: backs and raping and everything in between, everything in between.
Speaker 1: God, okay, yeah, I didn't want to go there.
Speaker 4: I want, I want. Yeah, should we do it.
Speaker 2: Let's pick our favorite most haunting crime of the one
Speaker 2: hundred we've done to celebrate our podcast. I really was
Speaker 2: upset when that woman was yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who's your favorite victim? No, I'm kidding, We're obviously kidding,
Speaker 1: we're joking.
Speaker 2: I forgot that via text. No one can tell stuff.
Speaker 2: I wrote no way to someone and they were like,
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. I just wanted to let you know,
Speaker 2: not a problem, please disregard, and I was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: no there.
Speaker 4: I was like this was a lighthearted, like no way, jose.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this wasn't like no, but keep people on their toes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta keep people toes with the tone.
Speaker 4: Well that's all right, memories. No, we should go, we
Speaker 4: should go.
Speaker 1: We should probably.
Speaker 2: Wrap it up, but let's do. This week's what would
Speaker 2: Sister Peg Do? Wake Cara, Which one of my recording
Speaker 2: locations have you liked the most?
Speaker 4: I'm thinking the Jewish Condo.
Speaker 1: Well, the Jewish Condo was fun, but I do like
Speaker 1: this one because I like looking at.
Speaker 4: Your art behind you, like the little core Gee.
Speaker 1: I like you know, your Lisa, your Miranda, you know
Speaker 1: you have good, good stuff. So I do like that. Okay,
Speaker 1: well let's get into this week's what would Sister Peg Do?
Speaker 1: Our weekly segment where we point you to a resource,
Speaker 1: you know, a website, an article, a book, something to
Speaker 1: flesh out a little bit more about what we talked
Speaker 1: about on today's episode, And for our one hundredth what
Speaker 1: would Sister Peg Do, I just want to point you
Speaker 1: guys to a helpful resource at RAIN. And we've called
Speaker 1: out RAIN many times. We love them. That is the Rape,
Speaker 1: Abuse and Incest National Network, So helpful, the nation's largest
Speaker 1: antisexual violence organization. Amazing resources, but one in particular I
Speaker 1: wanted to highlight today was they have a section that's
Speaker 1: called Online Dating and Dating App safety Tips. And I
Speaker 1: know it's like sometimes I think people are doing stuff
Speaker 1: on Tinder or the apps where they're you know, maybe
Speaker 1: not following protocols to keep themselves as safe as possible.
Speaker 1: So I just wanted to highlight this article because this
Speaker 1: isl in the episode did get murdered by a man
Speaker 1: who didn't look like his picture, And you know, I
Speaker 1: want everyone to be safe out there. I want you
Speaker 1: to be all dating and hooking up, but in a
Speaker 1: safe way. So there's a lot of helpful tips on there,
Speaker 1: like don't use the same photo in your dating profile
Speaker 1: as your Facebook. Like I wouldn't have thought about that.
Speaker 1: You obviously think you want to use your best photo,
Speaker 1: but they can like revert, people can reverse reverse image
Speaker 1: shirt you find your Facebook stuff like that. You know,
Speaker 1: like you probably want to use the different picture, yeah,
Speaker 1: second dairy picture.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah. So like if there's stuff there that even
Speaker 1: like you hadn't thought of, I feel like there's probably
Speaker 1: a couple tips in there that everybody can check out,
Speaker 1: and like just tips on how to meet someone in
Speaker 1: person that you've met online, Like what's the safest way
Speaker 1: to do that, and it's not necessarily always just like
Speaker 1: a coffee shop. Like, there's some other tips, So check
Speaker 1: out the link. It's in our show notes and as always,
Speaker 1: will be on our Instagram stories and in our highlight
Speaker 1: called WWSP and yeah, that's that. And thanks for all
Speaker 1: of the last one hundred episodes for the supporting all
Speaker 1: the organizations that we shout out. A lot of you
Speaker 1: have told us that you donate, and that's like means.
Speaker 4: A lot to us, it really does. You guys are
Speaker 4: amazing people.
Speaker 2: When we're on tour, all the stuff always says that
Speaker 2: you guys are the best, and we know that. I
Speaker 2: see you out and about, I see you out in
Speaker 2: the bars in the streets, and you're nice. I was
Speaker 2: gonna say about the day for some I clicked into
Speaker 2: a live yesterday and it was two dating coach matchmakers
Speaker 2: arguing over bikini picks or not in your dating profiles.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And one was like totally fine, me like yeah, we
Speaker 2: just don't agree, and the other one kept wanting to
Speaker 2: argue and the other woman kept being like, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: fine and we just disagree. Like the other woman just
Speaker 2: could not deal with that, but it was whatever. Next
Speaker 2: week we have another episode as always one oh one Okay,
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