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Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butsch podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Claude Harmon. This week's guest a Trillium Rose, one of

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Speaker 1: the really good up and coming instructors out there just

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Speaker 1: I've gotten to know her over the years. She's a

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Speaker 1: the podcast. That's golf instruction at the highest level. You

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Speaker 1: So there are so many instructors that maybe you don't

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Speaker 1: Go check it out. So, like I said, Trillian Robes

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Speaker 1: is my guest this week. We talk about some really

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Speaker 1: cool stuff, kind of the how she blends. She's got

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Speaker 1: a degree in kind of how people learn, and I

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Speaker 1: think that's really important, the way that golfers learn, and

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Speaker 1: we talk about that and how she uses her base

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Speaker 1: to how players can get better. So really good interview

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Speaker 1: which I think you all are going to really like.

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Speaker 1: My guest today is Triliam Rose Trillium one of the

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Speaker 1: up and coming golf instructors I think in the game

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Speaker 1: right now. But before we get to all of your

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Speaker 1: golf instruction superpowers. This injury that I've seen on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're on crutches, you had surgery. The hell happened?

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Speaker 2: This is a little embarrassing. Well, it was playing ice hockey.

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Speaker 1: That's smart.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well I like ice hockey. You play it, and I.

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Speaker 2: Play with the group of women in the winter, which

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Speaker 2: is fine. But these are a group of guys and

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Speaker 2: they're on the like one to five years into it,

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Speaker 2: so not not total beginners.

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Speaker 3: But you know, guys are a little bigger.

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Speaker 2: I was on d in front of the net, loose puck,

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Speaker 2: the standing leg I know, soft ice. My skate didn't

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Speaker 1: If one of your golfers told you the story, what's

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Speaker 1: the first thing that you would tell the why are

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Speaker 1: you playing ice hockey?

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Speaker 2: No, the first thing you'd say is ice hockey? Why

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Speaker 2: are you playing ice hockey? Exactly in that voice.

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Speaker 1: It is injuries. I think there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: people listening to the podcast that they have their big golfers.

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Speaker 1: They love golf, golf is a huge part of their life,

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Speaker 1: and they get injured, they tear their acl playing basketball

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Speaker 1: or stuff like that. How do you feel, as adults,

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Speaker 1: the best way to come back from an injury.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've learned it quite a bit about bone breaks.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm well into my forties, and I think

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Speaker 2: injury recovery timelines or longer. You know, kids. My surgeon

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Speaker 2: called it like green green shoots.

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Speaker 2: The bones are almost not rubber, obviously, but they're different.

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Speaker 2: So we've got to look at this. And I've been

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Speaker 2: looking at this on a slower timeline with a lot

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Speaker 2: more patients. And I think what's helped me specifically is

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Speaker 2: taking my expectations out of my day to day. So

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Speaker 2: usually I'd expect to be able to take a shower quickly. No,

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Speaker 2: it's not happening or everything.

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Speaker 3: Everything.

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Speaker 2: Expectations are just out the window, and my priority is

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of golfers when they do get injured,

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Speaker 1: I say this to players all the time. No athlete

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Speaker 1: has ever taken too long to come back from an injury, right,

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Speaker 1: everybody takes the minimal amount of time. They come back early.

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Speaker 1: We see this a lot in our golfers that have

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Speaker 1: shoulder injuries, risk injuries, knee injuries, back injury. They get

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Speaker 1: told the rest, maybe they have some surgery, but they

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Speaker 1: immediately want to push getting back out on the golf course,

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Speaker 1: getting back out to hitting golf balls, especially now as

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Speaker 1: we're in the middle of the summer. For you, you live

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Speaker 1: a lot of time to where a lot of your

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Speaker 1: have to hit balls inside in simulators things of that nature.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to be patient when you're coming back from

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Speaker 1: an injury to do the rehab, to listen to kind

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Speaker 2: That's totally right, especially if you don't I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't My threshold for pain is probably higher than

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Speaker 2: that I don't want to take the pain meds if

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Speaker 2: So if I don't feel that out, I'm just going

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Speaker 3: To keep going. I'm going to keep I'm going to

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Speaker 2: Oh I can put a little weight, Well, maybe I

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Speaker 3: Oh I can go fast.

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Speaker 2: Why don't I see if I can go a little faster, right,

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Speaker 2: And I don't you know, I know, I don't begrudge

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Speaker 3: And I think that's really hard and Lovy, like.

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Speaker 2: You said, you want to you want to get out

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Speaker 1: A lot of people listening to this podcast will be

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Speaker 2: I don't think people always have a choice, Like that's

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Speaker 2: it into a net. So I've seen both cases be

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Speaker 2: incredibly useful. What I've seen as an instructor is having

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Speaker 1: Do you.

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Speaker 2: it's classic periodization right where you're going to try to

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Speaker 2: and you don't have to peak all year round.

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Speaker 3: It takes a lot out of you.

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Speaker 2: So I kind of like having I don't know, im

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Speaker 2: I mean, those areas don't really have off seasons, and

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Speaker 2: you take away a player's you know they're trying to

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Speaker 2: make a change and suddenly they hit a bad shot.

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Speaker 2: That feedback of that bad shot can be very misleading

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Speaker 2: think you did a bad shot, right. So, but if

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Speaker 2: then you give someone a chance to really get into

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Speaker 1: I think golfers are so outcome oriented, right, It's always

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Speaker 1: thinking about what the outcome is. And one of the

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Speaker 1: we follow the recipe, we've got a much better chance

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Speaker 1: to get to something that tastes good as opposed to

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Speaker 1: if we have no idea what we're doing and we're

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Speaker 1: just going to try and throw a bunch of ingredients

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Speaker 1: at it. I know that motor learning is something that

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Speaker 1: you are very very passionate about that You've spent a

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Speaker 1: lot of time doing the research and doing a lot

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Speaker 1: of work in that area. Why do you think golfers

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Speaker 1: don't get better? Truly? I mean, I think taking lessons

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Speaker 1: But I'd be really interested in your take on how

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Speaker 1: golfers learn and things that people listening could say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, because I do think when players are trying

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Speaker 1: What helps to be? It helps if you're DJ, it

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 2: Sure, and I'm sure there's a lot of good we pulled.

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Speaker 2: Everyone everyone have their own processes that some of them

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Speaker 1: and stuff. I'm probably going to see each of those

436
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Speaker 1: players for maybe three to five minutes, just because I've

437
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Speaker 1: got to try and get through a lot of them.

438
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Speaker 1: And I'm always trying to figure out, Okay, what can

439
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Speaker 1: I do very very quickly that can make a significant

440
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Speaker 1: change to the ballflight, to the sound of the contact

441
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Speaker 1: really really quickly. So yeah, I mean, listen, I'm not

442
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Speaker 1: Sean Foley right falls only works with superstars. Now, if

443
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Speaker 1: you're not a billionaire or an elite golfer, Sean Foley

444
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: isn't teaching. And he'll tell you that. I mean, it's

445
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 1: not a it's not a disc on Seean. But yeah,

446
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Speaker 1: I still I think I don't ever want to get

447
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Speaker 1: to a point where I'm just working with elite players.

448
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: That's not the reality for me of what golf instruction is.

449
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: Golf instruction is helping people at all levels. So yeah,

450
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Speaker 1: I know I still work. I still I mean my

451
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,360
Speaker 1: club at the Floridian, it's a private club. I still

452
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Speaker 1: have to teach the members their wives, girlfriends, uncles, kids

453
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Speaker 1: and stuff. So yeah, I still teach you. If I love.

454
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Speaker 2: I pick it up right there. And you said in

455
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Speaker 2: the initially you said type of learner, And I'll pick

456
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Speaker 2: up right there, you know, because people are wired, they

457
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Speaker 2: think differently, and they want different things.

458
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Speaker 3: And they and they love.

459
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Speaker 2: I love the idea that I could find somebody somebody's job.

460
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Speaker 2: Initially if I asked, always care, not caring about what

461
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Speaker 2: they do necessarily because I want to chit chat as

462
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 2: much as I want to find out how their brain works.

463
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Speaker 2: And I have taught a NASA scientist who work on rockets,

464
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Speaker 2: and that person would happen to be really receptive of

465
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 2: the numbers, really receptive and understood numbers way more than

466
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Speaker 2: the average person very quickly, probably better than I understood

467
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Speaker 2: the numbers is when I first started working with them, right.

468
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Speaker 2: But then at the same time, somebody who hasn't really

469
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Speaker 2: played a lot of sports, they may need to have

470
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Speaker 2: some feels and may even if they are great with numbers,

471
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Speaker 2: they still need to have some examples of how to

472
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Speaker 2: get the feel going. So I like giving a lot

473
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Speaker 2: of demonstrations. I like, and I also put my hands

474
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Speaker 2: on people after I ask, but I might and I

475
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 2: might break the and might break the move down, so

476
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Speaker 2: it's smaller. If someone's having a really hard time getting

477
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Speaker 2: a sense of something, I might give them here's your goal.

478
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 2: Finish at this point, finishing follow through with your shoulder

479
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 2: down or listening to the ground or your arms out.

480
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 2: I might give very internal feedback, like with ways to

481
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Speaker 2: think about moving as opposed to external feedback.

482
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Speaker 3: And there's a lot of discussion.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of debate on internal versus external feedback,

484
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Speaker 2: and I have with beginners, I tend to use a

485
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Speaker 2: lot of internal feedback, like I might give them really

486
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 2: hardcore examples of where they body could should and feel

487
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Speaker 2: certain things.

488
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Speaker 1: For people listen that don't know the difference between the

489
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Speaker 1: internal and external. Explain that so that I think people

490
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Speaker 1: get a better understanding of what that is and how

491
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Speaker 1: they can apply that to their own game and their

492
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Speaker 1: own sway.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so internal feedback would be a direction that that

494
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Speaker 2: I give someone like your that's internal to their body.

495
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Speaker 2: So a specific movement that somebody could feel like your elbow,

496
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Speaker 2: to your to your side, feel your you know, real

497
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Speaker 2: weight is.

498
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Speaker 1: Set off on your toes or your heels.

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Speaker 2: Right right, like how to do emotion. I may not

500
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Speaker 2: do that. An external feedback would be feel balanced at

501
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Speaker 2: the finish or let's see let's see the ball go higher, right,

502
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 2: or let's let's have something that's outward of the actual

503
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Speaker 2: how to do the motion.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So the external would be more of a concept.

505
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Speaker 1: If you say, listen, we're going to try and get

506
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Speaker 1: the club to work a little bit more from into out. Yeah,

507
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: so you're going to try and feel like you're swinging

508
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Speaker 1: out to right field or swinging to first base. The

509
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Speaker 1: internal would be something that you would be giving the player. Okay,

510
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: you're going to try and get more pressure into your

511
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Speaker 1: right foot earlier. So that's something that they have to

512
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Speaker 1: feel themselves. It's not a it's a concept, but it's

513
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Speaker 1: not a kind of eighteen thousand foot looking down on

514
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Speaker 1: it concept. It's something that they can actually feel.

515
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Speaker 2: And I'd say that usually athletes do better with the external,

516
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 2: So I might, and I might even start with external

517
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 2: with people and then if they really have a tough

518
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 2: time doing it, give them some internal. Okay, here's here's

519
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,479
Speaker 2: the big concept of what we're doing. Let's see if

520
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 2: you can do it first. I usually do that with

521
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Speaker 2: with with elite athletes or really really athletic folks, and

522
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 2: then and then give them some help with the with

523
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 2: the internal. If it's not working at all, Okay, well

524
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Speaker 2: how do I get there?

525
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Speaker 1: All? Right?

526
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Speaker 2: Well, let's get here's some here's some ideas.

527
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Speaker 3: Give people some ideas.

528
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 2: So is one better than the other. No, I think

529
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 2: they're both good, but I might dose them differently.

530
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Speaker 1: I'm always fascinated by people that have been playing golf

531
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 1: kind of their entire life, and a lot of times

532
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: they'll come in for a golf lesson and the concept

533
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: of what they're doing or the concept of what they

534
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: need to do to hit a good shot, they're not

535
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: even aware of the concept. So in my head, I'm

536
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 1: always like, Okay, is this a physical issue you is

537
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: this a talent issue? Or is this a concept issue

538
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 1: that they don't know they're supposed to do that. I

539
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: think a lot of the work that you know, Greg

540
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: Rose and Dave Phillips mentors of mine. I know they're

541
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: big mentors of yours as well. I've had them both

542
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: on the podcast. I think they were the first ones

543
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: to kind of talk a lot about early extension, how

544
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: the pelvis, how the lower body works, what good players

545
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 1: do with their lower body. I think a lot of

546
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: people listening to this podcast really don't have a real

547
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: understanding as to how their lower body is actually supposed

548
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: to work in the golf sway, right, talk to me

549
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: about how you feel players could get better by controlling

550
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: what their lower body does. Because I learned from my

551
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: dad he used to always tell me, listen, golf swings

552
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: start from the ground up. He said, I look at

553
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: golf swings from the ground up, from your feet up

554
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: to the top. And I think so many golfers, especially

555
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: recreational handicap mid handicap golfers, they have so much movement

556
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: in what their lower body is doing, how the pelvis works.

557
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Speaker 1: What are some things that you found that can help

558
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: players understand the role and the function of their lower

559
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Speaker 1: body in the golf swing.

560
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Speaker 3: This is another great topic.

561
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Speaker 2: So my original training, when I really decided I wanted

562
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,959
Speaker 2: to be a golf prone in my twenties, was with

563
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Speaker 2: Jim McClain at the Jim McClain Golf School, and Jim

564
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 2: and your father have always been great friends, a lot

565
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 2: of mutual respect there, and Jim always came from the

566
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: same perspective that it and your grandfather was one of

567
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 2: Jim's mentors, which is just a nice lineage. The golf

568
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: school had robbed Neil, doctor. Neil's a biomechanist who did

569
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: a tremendous amount of research on three D and just

570
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: measuring folks. Rob Neil, an academic PhD in biomechanics, comes

571
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Speaker 2: from a scientific process of just measuring, you know, like,

572
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 2: let's just measure and see what happens. Jim to two

573
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: with two D and two D is great. Two D

574
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Speaker 2: and three D combined kind of led to a tremendous

575
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Speaker 2: amount of validation that any like you and your father

576
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 2: and lots and lots of other great players at Jimmy Ballard,

577
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: that that the energy in the motion comes from It's

578
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 2: a chain reaction from from the ground up, from your

579
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 2: feet to your pelvis, to your torso to the hands

580
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 2: to the club in that in that in that order.

581
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Speaker 2: So I am just a big proponent also of look

582
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Speaker 2: at look at throwing a ball. I played lacrosse in college.

583
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Speaker 2: I mean there's a lot of similar sequences in different sports,

584
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Speaker 2: especially throwing. So I look at that first, and I

585
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 2: look at it first because I think people have stronger

586
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: muscles that aren't going to break down. I call it

587
00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 2: a blunt instrument, your your sort of quad flute, hamstring,

588
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: abdominal area, that lower area where you're really creating the

589
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: torque with your pelvis and the ground. And I've just

590
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: seen it the players, even the older ladies. Had a

591
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: lady in her eighties who just still crushed it because

592
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 2: she had a great kinematic sequence and she can use

593
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 2: the little body. So where are we going with this?

594
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: Why it's important? I think it's really important. I think

595
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 2: it's really important because if your lower body is doing

596
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 2: some work, then your hands at arms don't have to

597
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: be so responsible. Now side note for a sec Someone

598
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Speaker 2: recently showed me a video of a golf instructor online

599
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: and he was talking about how important it is, like

600
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: the power comes from the hands and you start. Remember

601
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 2: even Jack Nicholas talked about this you.

602
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Speaker 1: Tube, I mean Jim Jackson structor. Jim felt everything in

603
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: the golf swing was what happened with the golf club.

604
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: In your head, right, So okay, I hear you. However,

605
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 2: I don't think Jack Nicholas needed He had so much

606
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: leg drive he already had.

607
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: So for those that.

608
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: Are really making big points, I mean, I think even

609
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 2: Tiger at one point said I feel like I'm starting

610
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 2: with my hand. Well, probably because he had a tremendous

611
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: amount of hip rotation and he was trying to catch

612
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: them up.

613
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Speaker 1: That's my guess.

614
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 3: I mean, So for those that.

615
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 2: Are really pointing out hands first, I would ask, respective respectful,

616
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: does that player really need is that player already starting

617
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: with the hips, right, and maybe they're getting two outfront

618
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: with the hips.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I think there's a constant battle between

620
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: golfers when they're swinging. It's I think most golfers are

621
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: hyper hyper focused on the golf club and swinging the

622
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: golf club, so they're always focused on In my opinion,

623
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: just in what I've seen over the years, it's kind

624
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: of from the hands to the club head. The focus

625
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: is on what that's doing. And like you said, I

626
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: think one of the easiest ways to gain better control

627
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: over the club head and gain better control over the

628
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: golf club is to move the golf club effectively and

629
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: efficiently with your body and your bigger muscles. I think

630
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,959
Speaker 1: most average golfers, wouldn't you agree, kind of rely on

631
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: their hands for life support. Whereas the best players. I've

632
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: never worked with one tour player on the men's or

633
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: women's tours that have asked me, I need to get

634
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: my hands more active in the golf swing. Yeah, and

635
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: every single one of them is saying, listen, under pressure,

636
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: I feel like my body gets slow, my hands get

637
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: really really active. That's the world that the majority of

638
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: people living in this podcast the body is slow and

639
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: the golf club in the hands get very very active.

640
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: If you are one of those players, and I think

641
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: there will be a lot of people listening today till

642
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: that will feel that. Okay, yeah, that makes sense to me.

643
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: My hands get really active. I can hook it from there,

644
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: I can slice it from there. What are a couple

645
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: of drills that you could give basic drills to help

646
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: people feel that they're activating their bigger muscles as opposed

647
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 1: to their smaller muscles.

648
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 3: Ooh, I love it.

649
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 2: So I'm a big fan of like the fifty yard shot,

650
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: the fifty yard pitching wedge shot. That low trajectory could

651
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: even use a gap wedge where and I stay pitching

652
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 2: wedge because you're not expecting it to go very far

653
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 2: to begin with. So the drill is set up on

654
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 2: a driving ranger. If you're near a green and you're

655
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 2: going to make some swings without having a whole lot

656
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: of extensionflexion with your wrist, you're basically going to make

657
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 2: some big chip shots.

658
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: This is the kunt of the way Steve Stricker and

659
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: Jason Day to where there isn't a lot of wrist action.

660
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: It's almost that kind of oar motion instead of anything

661
00:34:58,560 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: happening with the wrists.

662
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 3: That's that's right.

663
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 2: So if you're going to set up with the ball middle,

664
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 2: you've got your pitching wedge, maybe favor the front foot

665
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: a little bit, You're going to activate your abs to

666
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 2: bring the club back. You're going to activate all of

667
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 2: these bigger muscles to rotate. I didn't sometimes call it

668
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 2: a y, like if your arms in the club are

669
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 2: making a letter, why.

670
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 3: Just kind of keep that?

671
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: Why intact back and through?

672
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 3: So in order to get.

673
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: The club through, you're going to have to rotate your

674
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 2: trunk and everything. So that just wakes up the body

675
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: and quiets down the wrists.

676
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: I also think what you said there is a great

677
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: way of doing it. The shorter the golf swing. If

678
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: you've got a pitching wedge and you're let's say you

679
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: could hit your pitching wedge one hundred, one hundred and fifteen,

680
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five, whatever the distance is. I

681
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: think the advantage of doing that is anytime we're asking

682
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: players to make a shorter, more abbreviated backswing and a

683
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: more abbreviated fullllow through, we're taking a lot of their

684
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: ability to get energy from their arms and their hands

685
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: for power. So I think when you do make that

686
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: little of nine o'clock waist tied back, waist, tied through

687
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: swing with the pitching wedge, it kind of puts you

688
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 1: in a battle between your lower body. Your bigger muscles

689
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: are battling how much your smaller muscles, your hands, and

690
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: your arms want to move. And so in order to

691
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: hit the golf ball solid with a pitching wedge that

692
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: you could maybe hit one hundred and fifteen yards, we

693
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: ask you to hit that fifty and have the follow

694
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: through the short, have the back fling short. You have

695
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: to figure out, Okay, where is the power going to

696
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: come from? And I think it's a great way for

697
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: you to If that's hard for a player to do,

698
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: then I think that's a really good example of saying, Okay,

699
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: you're probably someone that's probably using your smaller muscles more

700
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: than your bigger muscle. Yeah, because that's hard for you

701
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: to do. So to control the golf club in this

702
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: short period of time and in this short kind of

703
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 1: backswing and follow through, you're going to have to get

704
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 1: the power from somewhere else.

705
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 2: From somewhere else, that's right, And ding ding, ding, If

706
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 2: that's hard, that means you should probably keep doing it.

707
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: Exactly the balance in twenty twenty four with technology, we

708
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: have so much tech now drill in golf instruction, there's

709
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: so much technology available, launch monitors. You and I are

710
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: big fans of Rhapsodo, but there are loads of launch

711
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: monitors out there, force plates, three D, all of that.

712
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: The balance as an instructor in balancing how much data

713
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: you give to a player, how much data you use,

714
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: and what are some of the tech out there that

715
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: you think are very, very beneficial that can help golfers

716
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: across a wide spectrum. They can help the average golfer

717
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: and help the elite golfer. The role of technology today,

718
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: what it plays in golf instruction, and then what tech

719
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: do you like to use to kind of make changes

720
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: faster with players.

721
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 2: I think tech has been a huge, huge help to golf.

722
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: And there have been some double edged swords in this,

723
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 2: but generally speaking, the the amount of information we know

724
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: now about the swing and about the outcome of the

725
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 2: swing with data that the you know, data crunching on

726
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: tour in our own swings has been monumental. So I'm

727
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 2: a huge fan in general. Now when we're looking at

728
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: something on you know, a still photo like we started

729
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: with still photos right, or we started cartoons practically, I mean,

730
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: my dad taught me how to play based on some

731
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 2: hand drawings and magazines, so you know, get to that

732
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 2: position at the top, Okay, get to this position, you know,

733
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 2: leading in Okay, P six scarring to be here?

734
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 3: So is that was that bad?

735
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: No?

736
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 2: I mean I think my dad gave me some pretty

737
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: good info. But we know more now when we see

738
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 2: it in motion, and we can we can understand when

739
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 2: we see the swing, we know even more if we

740
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 2: can see it in three D and we know even

741
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 2: more we can see the force vectors and the pressure

742
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 2: we can and we know more. We can actually measure

743
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: where that swing direction of the club was coming from,

744
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 2: or the angle of attack or the point of contact,

745
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 2: or the spin or the launch angle. So I'd say

746
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 2: if for the first step is I think as a

747
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 2: player is find an instructor who's willing to accept technology

748
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 2: and has done their job, you know, using launch monitors

749
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 2: or understanding kind of where where things are as a player.

750
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 2: I don't think every player needs to hear and see

751
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 2: and look.

752
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 3: At all of their data.

753
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 2: It just just in the same way that I'm going

754
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 2: to let my surgeon do his job and I'm not

755
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 2: going to ask him to tell me exactly what he's

756
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,919
Speaker 2: thinking in every step in the way. Because I didn't

757
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 2: go to medical school, I didn't do a residency, he

758
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 2: didn't spend twenty years doing surgery. I don't actually need

759
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 2: to know all that. I just want him to do

760
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 2: his job right. But if he were doing surgery in

761
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 2: an office with no instruments, that would be on me

762
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: that I didn't do my homework to find a good surgeon.

763
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 2: So I think the same way about instructors. Are there

764
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 2: good instructors that are on a driving range and they

765
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 2: haven't used everything? Yes, I can think of one, maybe

766
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 2: Bob Tosky. I mean he's pretty dang good, right, I

767
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 2: don't think Bob Tosky's using a lot of tech.

768
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: So my dad doesn't use a ton of tech. I

769
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: mean he believes in it, he sees the value in it.

770
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Speaker 1: He grew up in an age. You know, he's eighty

771
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: one in August. He grew up in an era to

772
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: where he didn't have any of that, so he had

773
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: to figure it out another way. He always says that

774
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: if you're just relying on technology to give golf lessons,

775
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: you're probably going to miss something. If you're only using

776
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: your eyes and you're not looking at technology for specific things,

777
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: you could miss something as well. For the player, what

778
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 1: technology do you think? Give me a couple of pieces

779
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: of technology you think could help every goal for if

780
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: they could use it on a regular basis.

781
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 2: Carry distances, knowing your carries is probably the biggest one

782
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: for me. Right, Having a launch monitor that you can

783
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 2: use on a driving range and understand what your carries

784
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 2: and your totals are boom like, that's that's huge. If

785
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 2: you knew your path in your face, the club path

786
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: and the face angle, I mean, you can pretty much

787
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,919
Speaker 2: infer that when you see the ball, when you see

788
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 2: the ball travel, you can kind of okay, I cut

789
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 2: across it with an open face, that's your slice, or

790
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: I kind of got stuck inside and I flipped my

791
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 2: hands and I'm smother hooking it. I mean, if you

792
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 2: understand some basic things, and I don't think I mean,

793
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 2: just back to your father for a second. I don't

794
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 2: think your father has ever refuted technology. It's just you know,

795
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 2: he wasn't picking up a track man and deciding to

796
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 2: use it himself, right, But it's hit that information. He

797
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 2: definitely took on tons of information as tech was growing,

798
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 2: wouldn't you say?

799
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I think he looks at all the

800
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: information and I don't mean this when I say this,

801
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: I don't mean this in an arrogant way. I've talked

802
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: to Greg Rose and Dave Phillips about this. They're like,

803
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: your dad, every time a player comes in, your dad

804
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: is telling them the right thing to work on. And

805
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: he said, if they can't do it and we physically

806
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: screen them, it'll show up. The reason why they can't

807
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: do what he's trying to get them to do in

808
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: the golf swing will be whatever they aren't able to

809
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: do physically. So I think he's probably seen that's been

810
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: validation for him in that he's like, yeah, okay, well

811
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: that I've been out to the TPI with players with

812
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: my dad before, and Gregan and David like, listen, you're

813
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: trying to get this. You're what you're trying to get

814
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: this player to do is exactly what he needs. The

815
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: reason he can't do that is because he can't internally

816
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: rotate onto whatever it is and then in a in

817
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: a in a millisecond, he'll go, oh, yeah, that makes

818
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 1: total sense in his brain the way it figures out.

819
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: We know that.

820
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: But Jarmon, though has is is but Jarman for all

821
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 2: the for all the other up and coming instructors or

822
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 2: instructors that are looking to, you know, to build their craft.

823
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: I think it's helpful to have some evidence on kinematic

824
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 2: sequencing and pressure and all that stuff.

825
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: You mentioned. Jim McClain, I mean, he's one of the

826
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: icons in golf instruction, you know. I think that Jimmy

827
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: doesn't get enough credit for all the things that he

828
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: bought and tried to figure out. I think, you know,

829
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: Jim's legacy is people like yourself. There's so many people

830
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: whose lives he's touched. What are some of the things

831
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: that you learned in your time with Jim that has

832
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: really stuck with you over the course of your teaching career.

833
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 3: Where do we start?

834
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: You're quite I mean, Claude, your questions are like anthem questions.

835
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 2: You can spend the whole hour on that. One of

836
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: the first things Jim said that I'll never ever forget

837
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 2: so was when I was probably a month into working

838
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: with Jim and his golf schools have a pretty specific system.

839
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 2: You've got to start as an assistant, and that's a

840
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 2: hard job to get. I know, there's a lot of

841
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 2: people that would want that. So it's it's a year,

842
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 2: two years, and then you're watching instructors. There's there's maybe

843
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 2: ten to twelve instructors, and you're watching instructors, you're setting

844
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: up the golf school, you're doing all kinds of these

845
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 2: very tight, tight, tight knit group. There's about thirty and

846
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 2: you're there quite a bit. So my interest was so

847
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 2: much into the golf swing because that's why we were there, right,

848
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 2: that was why we're there studying the golf swing, understanding

849
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 2: the golf swing. Jim had just come out with that

850
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 2: that four part series of Ben Hogan. He'd broken down

851
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 2: like every two seconds of the guy's golf swing went

852
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: into like ten minutes on each one. So Jim was

853
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: walking down the path and I was walking with him,

854
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 2: and a player had just it was a put with

855
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 2: a pretty unusual golf swing, and I said, how about

856
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 2: that win and how about that swing? And Jim looked

857
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 2: at me and said, well, the golf swing's overrated. I

858
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 2: love that, and it stopped me in my tracks. And

859
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 2: it took me a while to think about it. And

860
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: I thought about it, and it really made a ton

861
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 2: of sense that it's not about what it looks like.

862
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 2: It's not about making certain things happen because you think

863
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 2: they should. It's about what the swing can.

864
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: Do, and is it repeatable, And it's.

865
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,720
Speaker 2: Repeatable and it's repeatable under pressure, right.

866
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: My uncle Billy, My uncle Billy said that we were

867
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: in I think I've said this before on the podcast,

868
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: but we were in Vegas where my dad was working

869
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 1: with Tiger and Adam Scott and Scotty and Tiger are

870
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: there and they're hitting balls. It's like two thousand and one,

871
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: and my uncle Billy was there and he said, you

872
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: know what I find fascinating is every instructor in the world,

873
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: and every golfer in the world wants to be talked

874
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 1: to swing like Tiger Woods at Adam Scott, and everybody

875
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: wants to swing like Adam Scott and Tiger Woods. And

876
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: he said, but two of the greatest ball strikers I've

877
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: ever seen, hail Irwin and Lee Trevino. Hailerwin was closed,

878
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: took it inside, came over it and hit fades. Trevino

879
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: hit draws was open, took it outside, dropped it under,

880
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:57,439
Speaker 1: and he said, nobody tries to teach anyone to putt

881
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: like that. You know, I've talked to Phil Kenyan about

882
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: this before. You know, Phil's kind of the putting guru.

883
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,760
Speaker 1: I've had him on the party, works with Scottie Scheffler

884
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: and everybody. But I've heard living down here in Jupiter

885
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: that one of the things that has always kind of

886
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: pissed off Jack Nicholas is no one ever comes and

887
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: asks him about putting. They ask him about how did

888
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: he do it, and handling pressure and winning and all

889
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: this stuff. And I heard someone say once that Jack

890
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: was like, you know, it's amazing to me that I

891
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: pretty much, I mean, Jack made everybody had to make.

892
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: Was probably other than Tiger, the greatest pure performance putter

893
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: of all time. And he said, nobody ever asked me.

894
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: But the method that Jack used with the elbow and

895
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 1: the kind of squatted over it doesn't look like anything

896
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: you would want to teach, but it was one hundred

897
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: percent functional. Truly have that balance that everybody has. I

898
00:47:55,560 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: think most golfers, very few golfers like their golfings, even

899
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: on the professional level. I worked with Trevor Immlman. For

900
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 1: a long time, trev hated his golf swinging at a

901
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: time when Adam Scott and Tiger Woods used to tell me,

902
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: Trev's golf swing looks amazing. The balance between what you

903
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: want your golf the function versus the style, I think

904
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: so many golfers get wrapped up into the style of

905
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: what they want their golf swing to look like as

906
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: opposed to the function of what their golf swing does

907
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: and what their body can do. How can you help

908
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: players balance that out?

909
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I'm online all function and I think

910
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 2: this is another way tech has helped because it's beyond

911
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: just video. You know you can you can it's a

912
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 2: I like the skill thinking about skill rather than the

913
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 2: you know, the way somebody looks doing it. And that's

914
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 2: really because our human body is are so complicated and

915
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 2: they're just really a bunch of chemicals in our brains.

916
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 2: You've got a thought, You're trying to make that thought

917
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 2: output through your central nervous system into your motor neurons.

918
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,240
Speaker 2: There's a lot that goes from here into the output

919
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 2: before before you see the result of that. There's a

920
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 2: lot of influence and to create something the same way

921
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 2: every time, especially if it's if it's not comfortable or

922
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 2: something comfortable to be familiar to you, it can take

923
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 2: a tremendous amount out of you. So I think people

924
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 2: look at it the wrong way when they're thinking I

925
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 2: want it to be a pretty swing or I want

926
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 2: it to look like that. I like function because function

927
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 2: also you don't have to think as much. You know, right,

928
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 2: why are we worrying about what the way it looks?

929
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 2: I mean, there are certainly players, Like I have a

930
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 2: guy that doesn't always believe what I'm saying, so I

931
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 2: show him a video or write and that helps him.

932
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 2: But like I don't even say things anymore.

933
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 3: And just show it to him.

934
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 2: And there are people that don't need to know a

935
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 2: single thing about what their swing looks like. Okay, I

936
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 2: have a guy if I just if I set the

937
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 2: launch monitor, he just he's like, Okay, I get it.

938
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 2: I want that number positive, a low positive number, and

939
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 2: I'm going to be okay, right, And that's good. I

940
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 2: like that because he can then kind of work with

941
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 2: the feel and then work with trying to make that

942
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 2: motion happen.

943
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was working earlier today with Marina Alex who

944
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: I've had on the podcast for Marina plays on the LPGA.

945
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: We were working on swing catalyst and we were looking

946
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: at where her weight is distributed between at impact. One

947
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: of Marina's issues is she kind of, like a lot

948
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: of golfers, in an effort to get power. She's not

949
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: the tallest, you know, she's five to three. She's had

950
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: some back issues. She carries the golf ball with her

951
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 1: driver about two thirty to two forty. But last year

952
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: on the LPGA tour, she had more fairways than she

953
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: hit greens. Figure that one out. So she drives the

954
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: golf ball on a string. But one of the problem

955
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: that she has, like a lot of players, is in

956
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: an effort to try and get power, she makes this

957
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: massive move off the golf ball, especially with her drivers,

958
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: where she gets almost ninety percent of her weight at

959
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: the top of her backswing on her right leg, her

960
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: trail leg, and then it makes it very difficult for

961
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: her not to stay back there. So this morning we

962
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: were hitting golf balls, Like you said, we were using technology,

963
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: and I was like, listen, we know that when you

964
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: play poorly, you kind of get into that situation to

965
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: where at impact you can kind of sometimes get fifty

966
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: to fifty with your weight at impact, maybe sometimes sixty

967
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 1: forty on the right as opposed to the left. So

968
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: we were looking at the numbers, and I was just

969
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: giving her a bunch of drills and a bunch of

970
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: things to say, listen, okay, we just need to try

971
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: and keep increasing how much weight you have on your

972
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: front foot at impact. So I said, if we can

973
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: just get it to fifty to fifty, and then if

974
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: we can just keep moving it to where you say,

975
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: all right, and then we would hit some shots, do

976
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 1: some drills, and Thatt' say okay, now feel like you've

977
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: got sixty percent of your weight on your front footed impact.

978
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 1: Now get it to seventy. In some drills this morning

979
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: we got it to where it was like eighty. But

980
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: we've probably in the last three four months we've probably changed.

981
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 1: He's probably gone from kind of more weight on her

982
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 1: right leged impact with her irons to now we're starting

983
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: to get into that sixty seventy percent on her lead

984
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: foot at impact. So that's something where I think showing

985
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: person up player just basic just numbers. Hey, listen, we

986
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: just need more weight on your front foot. This piece

987
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: of technology shows us that on the bad one you've

988
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: got more weight on your right footed impact than you

989
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 1: do on your front foot. And then I think it's

990
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 1: easy for players when they are looking at stuff like that,

991
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: to make changes quite easily. You talked about launch monitors.

992
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: One of the reasons why I'm a huge fan of

993
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: rapsodo listen to the pod on a regular basis. They

994
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: know that. You know I'm a huge fan. I know

995
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,439
Speaker 1: you are as well. But launch monitors are coming down

996
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 1: in price. They're they're making it much more affordable for

997
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: the average golfer to where it's not the price of

998
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: you know, a four door k a mid sized car.

999
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 1: Right for players that are going to work on a launder.

1000
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: Give me three metrics on a launch monitor that you

1001
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: would like a player to look at that you think

1002
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: could be beneficial.

1003
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 2: Okay, wedges trajectory, so I like thirty degrees and under.

1004
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 3: For your distance wedges, But Jark, you're going to need

1005
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 3: some higher higher trajectories.

1006
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: If you're that's and that's launch angle.

1007
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 2: That's launch angle, Yep, you'll be You'll be looking at

1008
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 2: a soft little shot, okay, but you're not going to

1009
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 2: swing very fast. You're going to need to control your

1010
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,439
Speaker 2: landing angle by the by the launch angle. In other words,

1011
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 2: you're going to get it to stop based on the

1012
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 2: launch angle going up. But there are some longer shots

1013
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 2: you're going to hit where you're going to you're going

1014
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 2: to do it with spin. So let's look at either

1015
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 2: your spin or you can look at your You can

1016
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 2: see how the ball reacts on the green, but that

1017
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 2: launch angle can really help keep the launch a little

1018
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 2: lower than you might think. How about your launch angle

1019
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 2: with the driver massive massive, So I like people to

1020
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 2: take a look at that, because what.

1021
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 3: Are we looking for.

1022
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 2: We're looking for a higher launch, not super high, but

1023
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 2: you want enough launch and you want the spin to

1024
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 2: be down so you can carry it optimally.

1025
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and high launch low spin is kind of the

1026
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: holy grail of driver fitting. And I think a lot

1027
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: of that is speed dependent and player dependent. I mean, god,

1028
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 1: Dustin Johnson, he plays his best when he's right around

1029
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: like eighteen hundred in spin to kind of twenty one hundred.

1030
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: If you have no speed, that's death. You can't you

1031
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: can't get away with that. And if you look at

1032
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: a guy like Rory McElroy with his driver, Rory is

1033
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 1: hitting up massively on his driver, and I think most

1034
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 1: of the average golfers listening if they were to get

1035
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: on a launch monitor, there are times when they hit

1036
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: a bad drive to where they'd actually be hitting down

1037
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: on it. So I agree with you that launch and

1038
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: spin with driver technology and iron technology, I think it

1039
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 1: can kind of paint a really really good picture distance

1040
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: control with wedges. How important and what role do you

1041
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: feel like having a launch monitor can play in the development.

1042
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,439
Speaker 1: Do you feel like it can speed that up if

1043
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: the player knows how far their swing needs to go

1044
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 1: back and through to hit it fifty seventy five, those

1045
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 1: scoring clubs, those scoring numbers.

1046
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,280
Speaker 2: I think this may be and this is just my opinion.

1047
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 2: I'd love to know what you think. I think the

1048
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 2: distance control with your short game could be where rap

1049
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 2: Sodo really shines the brightest. For me, You pull out

1050
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 2: a full club and you get a sense of how

1051
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 2: far it goes. Okay, But guess what, not all shots

1052
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 2: are going to be full swing, because you're going to

1053
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 2: get close to that green at some point and you're

1054
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 2: going to have to come up with a slower swing,

1055
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 2: a smaller swing. You're gonna have to come up with

1056
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 2: something out of the blue. And figure out where you're

1057
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 2: going to land it, how are you going to do that,

1058
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 2: how are you going to practice that right? So that's

1059
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 2: another thing. People people head out to the golf course

1060
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 2: and they think they were doing so great in the range,

1061
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 2: and my question is, well, were you doing great on

1062
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 2: the range? Like was that range game really as good

1063
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 2: as you think it was? And it didn't take take

1064
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 2: it take it out to the course. I mean, how

1065
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 2: many times did you did you did it take you

1066
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 2: to hit the shot you wanted to hit right, because

1067
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 2: you don't have more than one chance on the golf course,

1068
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 2: but you do in the driving range. The second thing

1069
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 2: on the driving range you can do or with the

1070
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 2: rough sodos you can actually measure.

1071
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 3: You can measure right off the bat.

1072
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 2: So if every shot really counts and you were trying

1073
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:54,240
Speaker 2: to hit a thirty, a forty, a fifty yard carry shot,

1074
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 2: well you can see that. You get that feedback, and

1075
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 2: that's that is invaluable.

1076
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think people always ask when Dustin Johnson kind

1077
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 1: of changed his wedge game and became one of the

1078
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: best wedge players in the world, he got a launch

1079
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: monitor and basically he looks at two numbers, carry and

1080
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: spin and we were just at a We're just at

1081
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: a tournament and he was hitting his fifty two and

1082
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: he was like, something's off. That's going too far. He

1083
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: said to his brother A J. Go to the truck

1084
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: check it. And he's like, either the lie or the

1085
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: loft is off, because that swing should produce this number.

1086
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: I've hit enough of these, honestly. We took it to

1087
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: the it was one degree flat and the loft was

1088
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: off by two degrees. I took it back to him

1089
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: and he was like, you know, I could feel that

1090
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: based off of the work that he'd put in. I

1091
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: think for the average goal for if they could just

1092
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: get an idea of just some baseline numbers of how

1093
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:00,959
Speaker 1: far do you hit it when you what's your swing

1094
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: look like when it's going back fifty yards? Video it,

1095
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: what's it look like when it's going back seventy five yards?

1096
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: Video that, and then see what the visual of it

1097
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: is looking like relative to what the numbers are saying.

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Speaker 2: That's that's exactly what I do. I say, go out exactly,

1099
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 2: go out find one. Just start with one swing and

1100
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 2: figure out you can easily measure, say hi like waist high.

1101
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 2: If you're going to go waist hide to waist, hie.

1102
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 2: Just make a bunch of swings, then find out how

1103
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 2: far that went. Then you have a baseline swing. So

1104
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 2: let's say it's forty yards. Great, now you know forty,

1105
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 2: but you also know fifty, and you also know thirty

1106
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 2: because you can go a little bit bigger, faster, or

1107
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 2: smaller and slower from that baseline forty yard shot.

1108
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: Really, really, I think it's great, great stuff. Lastly, Trill,

1109
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: you're on the Golf died just top hundred lists. You're

1110
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: on the Golf or of the top fifty list Golf

1111
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: Magazine's Top hundred instructor. We're starting to see more females

1112
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: in a predominantly male dominated industry. Are you starting to

1113
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: see more females want to not just play golf, but

1114
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: actually saying, listen, I'd love to get into golf instruction.

1115
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: I teach a girl from Canada. She tried to play,

1116
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: tried to play college, she tried to play some professional

1117
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: At about two three months ago, she said, listen, I

1118
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: really want to get into golf instruction. Obviously, as one

1119
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: of the female instructors that are kind of doing the

1120
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 1: same things that the best male instructors in the country

1121
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: are doing. Do you feel we're seeing a shift to

1122
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: that that are there are more women and girls saying listen,

1123
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: I want to try and get into golf instruction.

1124
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 2: I certainly see it. I certainly see it. I see

1125
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 2: a lot more women that are also playing with other

1126
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 2: women and making a whole thing around just having their

1127
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 2: moments on the golf course. Time you see you see

1128
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 2: someone that looks like you doing something, you know, you think, hey,

1129
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 2: I could do that too, And so there we just

1130
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 2: we're seeing a lot more imagery of women in places

1131
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 2: that are that are pretty visible. So yeah, I think

1132
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 2: there's grounds Well, this is probably the first time that

1133
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 2: we wouldn't have had the same number of girls as

1134
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 2: boys in our program, and that's that's pretty big, you know.

1135
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 2: The last you know, the last ten years, I think

1136
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 2: golf courses have had a big uptick in in in

1137
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 2: programs that are that are you know, girlfriendly, you know

1138
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 2: us kids golf has just as many clubs for for girls.

1139
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 2: You might they might paint them pink, but they're they're

1140
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 2: attractive to a little girl. There's nothing different in the

1141
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 2: club from a little boy except they're pink. So trying

1142
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 2: to encourage girls to come out and play. I mean,

1143
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 2: I think that's great. So yeah, I think there's a

1144
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 2: lot more. There's a lot more out there. That's that's

1145
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 2: that's for for women.

1146
01:00:58,160 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 3: What do what do I mean by that?

1147
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 2: I mean clothes, a lot more golf clothes. You know,

1148
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 2: you go on Instagram and you're going to see you know,

1149
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 2: you can find women, you know, certainly the original the

1150
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 2: original women that are in bathing suits. And I think

1151
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 2: that's that's that's starting to become. I don't know, is

1152
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 2: it more or less. I don't pay as much attention

1153
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 2: to that, but I think the series women playing golf

1154
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 2: and teaching golf, but I'd definitely see more of that.

1155
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: Well, long may it continue. Take care of the foot,

1156
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: and hopefully are you going to the TPI conference in Orlando.

1157
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 2: Yes, I'll be speaking about coaching as a team the

1158
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 2: female athlete.

1159
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: There we go. Well, I didn't even know that. I'm

1160
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 1: teeing all up. I'm teeing all the good questions up

1161
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: to you. I will be there as well. Look forward

1162
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: to seeing you and take care of the take care

1163
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: of the foot. We need you.

1164
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 3: Thanks Claud, great talking to you. Take care.

1165
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: So cool. Chat with Trulliam Rose, and like I said,

1166
01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: she might not be a household name, but there are

1167
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: there so many golf instructors out there that are just

1168
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: giving good quality golf lessons. And one of the cool

1169
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 1: things about having your own podcast is you can have

1170
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 1: people on that you want to pick and that you

1171
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: want to choose, and it's easy to go to all

1172
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: the superstars and golf instructions, people like my dad who's

1173
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: been on. People are Mark Blackburn who's been on, people

1174
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: like Sean Foley who have been on, Chris Como, all

1175
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 1: of the superstars of golf instruction. But Trillium is just

1176
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 1: one of those people out there giving good quality golf lessons.

1177
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 1: I'm a fan and I really like her approach and

1178
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: hopefully everybody learns some stuff that they can use to

1179
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 1: shoot lower scores and enjoy their golf more. Son of It,

1180
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: which comes to you almost every Wednesday. We will see

1181
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: you next week.